Thread 714480521

you realize StopKillingGames is going to be the death of live service games, right? your favorite game is probably a live service game

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service game
If you were addressing normalfags you would be right but my favorite game is Factorio. Good luck jumping through hoops to call that a live service game.

>>714480521 (OP)
I'm the scorpion and you're the frog, frog.

Live service games are shit

>>714480521 (OP)
Modern Warfare 2 is my favorite game

>>714480521 (OP)
I don't care. I just want the videogame industry as a whole to collapse. Actually to take it further, I just want society as a whole to collapse.

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service game
lol no

I don't see how a bunch of signatures are going to do anything

>>714480521 (OP)
my favorite game is rune factory 4

My favourite game of super Metroid actually. What’s yours?

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service game
wrongo, pongo

>>714480521 (OP)
The outcome doesn't matter I just want a happening. I don't care if it will be bad for gamers, bad for devs, good for gamers or good for devs I just want something to happen so I can shitpost about it.

>>714480671
Live service game is an industry slopword that by definition encompasses all games that add new content through updates, balances, and bug fixes.

Factorio is indeed a live service game by its most broad definition.

>>714480521 (OP)
Every live service game I've ever found myself enjoying either died out after a normal life span or turned itself into a completely different game by the time me and or my friends were done playing it by content creep.

League of legends and overwatch are easily the best examples of what I mean here. Overbloated roster, slow grind for currency that gets worse as the years go on to sell more premium currency, completely different gameplay and a complete lack of disrespect to the players free time by demanding that you relearn the game constantly because they have to tweak the balance every 2 fucking weeks.

I got to a point where I can only really enjoy them in the initial learning phase, and even then a look at their dailies/battlepass greend might be enough for me to shut it off a month in and never ever ever boot it back up.

Good.
Fucking.
Riddance.

>>714480521 (OP)
Sorry I don't play AAA goyslop

>>714480521 (OP)
>the death of live service games
Stop, I can only get so erect.

>>714480521 (OP)
>SKG might actually be the death of gacha slop in the EU
Dare I say, based?

if my favourite game was live service then i'd be concerned about it suddenly shutting it's servers down and taking my purchases away.
as it stands i won't play a game that requires any online component to function, so I haven't paid much attention to SKG. it's outcome won't affect me. i've already resolved to not let a game i've bought be taken away from me and taken steps to ensure as many of my games as possible are securely mine, forever.

this is why i don't buy physical anymore, too. dying cart batteries and disc rot are nature's way of taking away my games and i will not have it happen to me again

>>714480521 (OP)
oh no not the live service

>>714480521 (OP)
To be fair, live service games should come to an end. Play single player games.

>>714480521 (OP)
kys retard
sage

>>714480521 (OP)
zoomers in shamble

What people want is an obligation on live service providers to release open source code packages for self-hosting servers etc. at the game's end of life
This won't happen by law - some companies might do it for goodwill (but only where it won't harm the prospects for their next offering) but there's no possible case to be made for making this law, that would be mental

>>714480521 (OP)
>the death of live service games
NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T EXPECT GAMES TO BE COMPLETE OUT OF THE BOX! THAT'S.... THAT'S DEV OPPRESSION!

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service game
Yes, in a sense Deus Ex is a live service game, only they rolled out the updates to real life rather than the game itself.

Wouldn't normalfags also name games from their childhood as their "most favorite"?
I guess nowadays that means Minecraft and Fortnite lel

>>714480521 (OP)
>single player offline genshin
>p2p co op
>just have to connect to download new expansions
i like it

>>714480521 (OP)
were it so easy

>>714481839
You only like them in the initial learning phase because while you're pretty good at getting a grasp on the actual mechanics in a game you're not very good at the creativity required to stay at the front of the pack.

>>714482350
Dammit Warren. I just wanted the GOTY music fixed.

>>714482581
Get the hell out of here, Denton.

>>714480521 (OP)
Enough is enough man

>>714480521 (OP)
they will just keep one server running on a vm and make it cost 1000000 dollar per month so nobody plays the game, never release any patch and be done with it.

>>714482668
>I have the new version of the firmw-ACK
eat gep gun rockets fag.

>>714482497
I do not have the time like I did in highschool to test every autistic change.

Also the time needed when I was in highschool was much less because there weren't 50,000 different potential matchups.

It's not really even a skill issue specifically because I'm not complaining about a skill problem. It's more about gameplay cohesion and at one point there's too many new bells and whistles for it to be called the same game. At one point it peaks, and there isn't anything they can do to make it less bloated.

Chess for example, hasnt had to add new pieces in order to sell new chess sets to justify their games continued existence. Nor has chess had to release a patch note to make the king more powerful than the queen because queen players wanted a day in the meta spotlight to sell more queen pieces.

Tf2 for example kept the mercenaries at a fixed decent number and let the weapon slots allow for more skill expression in the gameplay.

>>714480521 (OP)
i only play single player games

I guess KI2013 is a live service game between KI gold and Shadow Lords item boosters but maybe now MS will have an incentive to make a new game instead of milking this one

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service game
Big if true. I'm glad it won't be killed to sell me a lesser one.

>>714480521 (OP)
That's the best fucking thing I've ever heard even though you're fucking retarded and nothing about it even remotely claims that at all. I'm so tired of retards who think they're right.
We need state mandated IQ tests, you can take it twice a year and your ID has your highest score from the last 5 years. You must retake it every 5 years

Your score would go on your ID. Think of how much better life would be if everyone's intelligence was mandated to be displayed for anyone who wants to know it.

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service
uhmmm sweetie i purposely avoid buying games that have live service elements and I have 2000 games on steam...

>>714482497
>you're not very good at the creativity required to stay at the front of the pack.
NTA but this is a ridiculous personal attack not rooted in reality at all. It’s not about ability, creativity, intelligence, dedication, or anything beyond “is what you liked about the game still there”. Live service games believe they need to constantly change things up to retain players, and sooner or later they’re going to hit on something you liked or the buildup of things you don’t but could get past becomes too great and you don’t enjoy it anymore. His example of Overwatch is so perfect I can’t believe you don’t see it, that game has changed so significantly it’s all but unrecognizable.

>>714480521 (OP)
is Steam a live service?

>>714480521 (OP)
>Companies will give up on the cash cow that is live service games because they don't want to keep a server running

>>714480521 (OP)
Good. Please shut then all down. Free me from these chains I can’t stop playing them, my brain is completely fried.

If we really think about it rationally, Stop Killing Games is forcing game developers to perpetually maintain always online titles. Making game devs work for free perpetually is no different than chattel slavery. It's a movement to enslave developers to maintain servers that completely neglects the fact that slaves need to be fed. The elephant in the room that's left completely unaddressed is that feeding and housing enslaved developers is not free.

>>714484551
Bait but just in case Shut the fuck up Game Dev cuck. We don't give a fuck. You will work for free and you will like it if you want to sell your games. Selling your games is not a right it's a privilege.

>>714484393
? Zarya still shoots beams and blackholes and shields. Mei still slows and bypasses projectile eating defenses. It's one less person per team and some perks and balance tweaks. I'd argue the hacker girl is the only unrecognizable change.

I don't play live service games. Let them die.

>>714484551
>Get paid to do their job
>Is somehow a slave
These employees will be slaves to gamers in the same way they're slaves to their managers. Working on shit they have almost no interest in just for a paycheck. Who this really hurts are CEOs and shareholders who want to axe previous product to save money and make their next product more appealing. It's already such an oversarurated market, though. Just because the studio kills their almost dead live game isn't going to force everyone to stop playing stuff like Counter Strike or League.

>>714480521 (OP)
9 of my top 10 favorite games were released on the ps2
no, my favs sure as shit are not live service lmao

>>714480521 (OP)
>will zomebody think of the zoomers and normalfags

no

>>714481839
>Live service game is an industry slopword
"Live service" is a real term that can more specifically be called "games as a service" (GaaS), which games like Fortnite in 2017 heavily popularized, where you own nothing physically and the game is treated as a free/paid subscription service that you never really own. "Live service" has nothing to do with the frequency of updates or patches of a game and thinking live service is a buzzword just reveals your own ignorance or is just being intentionally stupid and blurring definitions.

OW1 was kino at launch but eventually went the way of live service because of the massive influence of Fortnite. I'd prefer to live in a world where Blizzard was legally obligated to make OW2 just like OW1 and that they can't just "turn the switch off" of OW2 one day and all the time and money I put into it is just gone. That's literally what SKG is about.

>>714480521 (OP)
>Death to live service

>>714484676
Symmetra also reworked from ground up that said, any tanks ever because of the 6 to 5 removing off tanks and forcing those that used to be off tank into main tank redefining their entire position in the ecosystem, removal of 2CP in favor of the robot game mode which is more aids, and the constant addition of new heroes, and inherently feels less rewarding because those who played since 2016 have to get shafted in their greedy desire to hoist a greedier monetization metric onto the player with weeklies and daily garbage while hard capping what you can earn.

It's all psychological bullshit holding a player upside down to empty them out like a piggy bank, and I have to deal with that garbage and they expect me to play a product that feels far more bloated, and worse to play?

Just not for me man. It's a food one, but you wouldn't stop eating at your favorite local restaurant if they started using worse ingredients on your favorite menu items while simultaneously adding a laundry list of frozen sysco meals they pop in the microwave would you?;

>>714484676
So they haven’t changed what you liked about the game, yet countless people say the game is horrible now. Glad you see what I’m talking about. You don’t have creativity or flexibility, you just haven’t had something you really liked ruined yet.

>>714485043
That's incorrect. Single player games you purchase can be live service even if you never intend to use the multiplayer feature.

Civ 7 and it's current trajectory since launch is a glaring example of this.

>>714480521 (OP)
>death of live service games
So games will actually have to be finished on launch? How is that a bad thing?

>>714485798
That's a complete non sequitur. A game can still be released unfinished and abandoned.

>>714481839
Why would you apply the 'most broad definition' just to encapsulate a game you know damn well isn't one by the definition people actually care about here?

>>714484551
Games from 20 years ago didn't require their devs to be slaves or what the fuck ever, they still work today

>>714480521 (OP)
this is literally what Pirate said was the problem with SKG, yet he was dogpiled and shit on for almost a full year after pointing it out
the SKG bandwagon crowd is in for an extremely rude awakening if any actual legislation is passed as a result of their autism, indie devs just won't release anything in the EU anymore, it would be a net loss, AAA publishers most likely will release neutered versions of games that have no online functionality and can exist as a tidy single player experience forever so they won't have to worry about anything

>>714480521 (OP)
Fucking retard. It's literally forcing them to be kept alive. I know this is a falseflag but fuck.

>>714480521 (OP)
Who gives? I exclusively play singleplayer games.

>elden ring
>playable offline
>I already own a pirated copy
phew im safe

>>714480521 (OP)
Game journalists are turning this into another Gamergate. All thanks for Asmongold and Elon Musk voice their support for this movement.
Trannies are going to retroactively hate this now.

>>714485519
>Single player games you purchase can be live service even if you never intend to use the multiplayer feature.
If you count any form of DLC or any update as "live service" by your very vague and broad definition (which is just flat wrong) then literally everything is "live service" (which therefore means nothing is live service) because almost all modern games do this. Many games have DLC after release because surprise, all games always want to make more money somehow. Is Stellar Blade live service because it has had two DLC releases? Is Smash Ultimate live service? According to your definition I guess so but nobody else would call these games that.

>Civ 7
I haven't played much Civ 7 since launch but last I checked it has no battle pass and you had to pay full price for it. Having any DLC or "expansion" is not live service, especially on PC, because expansion packs for PC games have been around since forever, long before live service.

>>714484551
even if that is true, i dont give a shit what happens to the shitskin codemonkeys

>>714480521 (OP)
I will NOT support #StopKillingGames!

Live service = The game stops working if you unplug your router

Not complex

>>714481839
>The availability of bug fixes and patches means a game is a live service
This is fucking stretch nigga
If a game like factorio can run without ever being updated again or connected to the Internet it's not live service slop, end of story

Kys

>>714480521 (OP)
SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714480521 (OP)
my favorite game WAS a live service game

>>714486363
Who are these indie devs building their games with central server dependencies

>>714486485
Name one indie game that doesn't rely on steamworks for cloud saves

>>714486150
>I will NOT support #StopKillingGames!
>posts a based image
GAMERGATE 3.0 IS REAL!!!

>>714486535
What was GG2.0? I missed that one, forgot to rise up during it

>>714480521 (OP)
Name one game that would be harmed by this.

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service game
No.

>>714486095
>any update as "live service"

I consider the fact that they've changed up the balance of the single player strategy game I play for sweeping balance updates entirely related to online multiplayer a transition to a live service model.

That and they released the game unfinished, as in finished and not in early access, and then made a roadmap of when it was going to add major features which are granted in free updates that used to be always in the series on release of the game.

They also added progression mechanics and a battlepass.

I should be able to buy a singleplayer strategy game on launch, play it, come up with a fun idea to plan a playthrough around, and actually get to play it before the developers decide to completely fuck it on the whims of multiplayer.

>>714486592
GG 2.0 was about "muh DEI" and "muh woke politics in vidya" last year. This one has more substance.

>>714482116
wth is disc rot, all of my CDs from the 90's still work

>>714486529
All the games I know of that do this still keep the saves locally as well
Even so lack of save function doesn't kill a game quite like being literally unable to get past an error message on the main menu

>>714486736
Disc rot is a cope made up and used by stupid brats who couldn't take care of their shit properly as 90s babies.

>>714486529
most of those games work in offline mode too

>>714480521 (OP)
it will do literally nothing. Live service games are subscription services with variable cost & vague expiration dates on the subscription. SKG will cause these companies to slap some language in the TOS like "purchases made guarantee access to the service for at least 3 months from the date of purchase" and nothing will change

>>714483273
These days single player games have online only components that get taken away from you like the dlc in anno.

>>714486363
>Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service game

There isn't even one in my top 10 you slime.

>>714486003
Devs 20 years ago used tech that was far more advanced than what we have now. Making a game without 20 different Amazon Web Services is impossible.

The disgusting behavior of the SKG community is exactly why I no longer support it. It's just fucking gamergate at this point. You don't just swat a streamer just because he dropped some truth nukes about your shitty movement.

>>714486090
Dude game jounos are dead. Most have been replaced with AI and zoomers/genA sure as fuck don't read them. The only people that do are crusty boomers and really dumb millennials

>>714487181
No, not really. They're just replaced by Twitter headline farmers like Dexerto and Hard Drive, who are arguably much more damaging than those old journalists ever were.

>>714487142
You sound like you have an ass full of ferrets

>>714486529
Why are you asking this question? You wouldn't need cloud saves if you also had an offline version. Every game on steam that isn't online only works in offline mode without cloud saves.

>>714486696
What you're describing sounds to me more like a shitty game release more akin to Street Fighter 5 in 2016, where they released an unfinished/barebones game and are filling in features later, basically exploiting the goodwill and patience of long-time fans who they're hoping will buy day 1 and then appease them later. Very shitty and cynical yes but not exactly what I think fits the specific definition of "live service", at least not until Firaxis goes full "mask off". Live service means a very specific thing, it's more than just having a shitty release or shitty balancing.

>>714487142
where do you think you are right now

>>714487701
/v/
This isn't fucking kiwifarms, get some fucking self respect for gods sake

>death of live service games

Thank fucking god. Fomo is the worst fucking thing to hit gaming

>>714487442
>Twitter
Lmao
No, they've been replaced by youtubers. The vast majority of people that play games don't even follow their favorite games twatter account or even use the forums.

>>714487764
>respect
>on 4cucks
delusional

>>714480521 (OP)
they can just add community servers. also it means cloud gaming will never happen which is unfathomably based.

>>714487889
Guess what site these reaction youtubers get their drama from? That's right, Twitter.

>>714486607
>this guy loves skyrim so much he posts the same screenshot he didn't take
>he doesn't have a single one he DID take, because he only "played" the game on YouTube

>>714487972
or it means they atleast have to release it on pc

>>714480521 (OP)
My favorite game is a Japanese RPG from 1994.
Good luck with that, buddy.

>>714482245
>zoomers
A lot of 40 year olds on this board still play gachas too.

Why are jews so afraid of property rights for entertainment of all things that they organise the biggest astroturfing campaign in years?

>>714480521 (OP)
Silent Hill 2 is a live service game?
B-bros... are they coming to take away my PS2 along with all the discs?

>>714480671
Isn't that the anti-consumer company that raised prices on their product for no reason whatsoever and fags still kept paying it?

>>714488160
All those have to do is follow the path of the Mega Man gacha and pack up an offline version of the game for EOS.

>>714487764
You share your board with disgusting /co/omers and /pol/fags

You literally cant complain

>>714488217
They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.

>>714488217
GOGlems poisoned the well, making "ownership" a word thrown around by faggot shills.

>>714488027
I have this one quite old but I'm still building my modlist
Almost done with it

>>714488789
>game so good you have to install 4TB of fixes

>>714487142
Go back to gcj.

>>714488217
Today Ubisoft falls, tomorrow.Tel Aviv.

we actually cant say the quiet part out loud here anymore..

>>714488293
>t. Unironic /pol/ whiner

>>714480521 (OP)
>going to be the death of live service games
please let this happen

>>714480521 (OP)
SOMETIMES THE HAND OF FATE MUST BE FORCED

>>714488923
It's worth it for Busty Serena mods.

>>714488741
>GOGlems poisoned the well, making "ownership" a word thrown around by faggot shills.
Yes, good job goylem, make sure to tell all your friends about how "faggy" it is to own the things they buy, and make sure to sign up for that battlepass!

>GOGlems
lmao

>>714488923
I have only 80gb of mods and less than 200 mods

>>714484551
Devs must die!

>>714480521 (OP)
They could just make server software publicly available after eos. I sincerely hope your favorite game isn’t a mobile gacha.

>>714488027
>you must take screenshots of the game you play or else
fucking zoombers

I still have no idea what StopKillingGames is and why we have shit tons of threads about it. And why they're filled with sharty.

>>714480521 (OP)
They shouldn't be patching games like Dead Rising 2 to be a "Live Service" that's fucking stupid, and it's only purpose is to kill the game so you'll buy their shitty remakes.

>>714484551
Just upload the server files you already have. It's not that hard, people figured this shit out in the 80s.

>>714480521 (OP)
>you realize StopKillingGames is going to be the death of live service games, right?

Good

>your favorite game is probably a live service game

I'm not a retard, so no.

>>714490461
>underage
>doesn't remember having FRAPS running for everything

>>714490615
It's an appeal to ban all games about killing.

>>714490615
Gamergaters have hijacked the movement and are running it into the ground.
Swatting Pirate Software was a step too far.

>>714480521 (OP)
>StopKillingGames
You mean the internet petition?

How does this affect subscriptions? You are clearly paying month-to-month, so at the end of your term they can just stop the service right? It's not like they owe you anything more.

>>714490784
>I'm not a retard
doubt.webp

>>714490812
I never used fraps... I have no need to record myself playing games.

>>714490896
It doesnt affect anything

>>714490987
So gamers are just retards that can't read the fine print?

>>714490983
You didn't have friends, I understand. Most people saw a cool moment in a game (especially when everyone wasn't playing the latest streamer approved game), and they would screenshot it and post it to their own webhosting, usually on their ISP.

>>714490896
Subscription games are Ross's Achille's Heel since they make it very clear and upfront that the game Is a service and just what the money-time transaction is

Though even there you still have to buy the game itself before you sigh up for a sub, so who knows

>>714491182
>post it to their own webhosting, usually on their ISP.
did a broken ai write this?

>>714491236
>every live service game switches to subscription, making it cost way more per year than fixed price or f2p
t-thank's ross!

>>714485925
Because thats what laws do

>>714491447
No, I was just explaining what the world was like before imageshack (you must be over 18 to post here) and the millions of knockoffs.

>>714480521 (OP)
>Death of live service games
Yay!

>>714490896
You paid for the base game and expansions, plus mtx inside it, even if the subscription isn't active, the money you spent on it is real, so if the developers sunset the servers they should still release the server binaries or allow third party server binaries without DMCA takedowns.

>>714491631
Do you want me to explain how gaming was before the internet?

>>714480521 (OP)
StopKillingGames will never happen. It's a pr stunt to backup anti-google laws.

>>714491954
When do you think the time "before the internet" was?

>>714491565
>they all flop because nobody is going to pay for it

>>714480521 (OP)
>StopKillingGames is going to be the death of live service games
Good. That is a price i am willing to play. I would much rather have my favorite gacha game be a full experience right from the box instead of drip feed fomo shit

>>714491565
The MMO wars made it clear that barely anyone is going to be willing to pay monthly for more than one game

>>714480521 (OP)
>you realize StopKillingGames is going to be the death of live service games, right?
You realize that the most likely outcome is that nothing happens, and the second most likely outcome is a new rule about how live service games are labelled, right? Developers will put a disclaimer that says "you own nothing and we will shut down this game at a random date" and then continue doing what they already do. Ross would prefer for games to be preserved through private servers and DRM removal, but he doesn't get to decide the law nor its implementation.
>your favorite game is probably a live service game
It isn't.

>>714492663
MMOs take a lot of work, and it's hard to play more than one.

>>714482165
this is the only response anyone should have to OP's concern

my favourite game is warcraft 3 and blizzard did anything in its power to kill it

>>714484551
>Stop Killing Games is forcing game developers to perpetually maintain always online titles.

No, it's not, and it's been consistently said for the entire duration of the campaign it doesn't ask or require this

>>714486529
You don't need cloudsaves to comply with the initiative as it is currently intended

>>714480521 (OP)
>you realize StopKillingGames is going to be the death of live service games, right?
Where do I sign?!

>online game dies
>but at least devs offer some shitty offline mode so I can see my microtransaction collectibles!
who gives a FUCK

>>714480521 (OP)
>death of live service games
good

>>714493468
If Ross gets his way, EU bureaucrats will be setting up camps where they collect live service developers and make them do forced labor maintaining video games. That will be on your conscience when it inevitably happens.

neither of those things are true

>>714480521 (OP)
>you realize StopKillingGames is going to be the death of live service games, right?

>>714480521 (OP)
>you realize StopKillingGames is going to be the death of live service games, right?
Thanks for informing me. I will sign the petition now.

>>714480521 (OP)
nethack is live service now?

NOOO I CAN'T STOP BUYING MICROTRANSACTIONS GRGHBGRBRBR

>>714480521 (OP)
I hope so

>>714493793
God I fucking wish that were true

The meme that Stop Killing Games is the new Gamergate makes no sense because more leftists agree with SKG than rightoids do, since rightoids also have retarded corpo-bootlickign lolbertarians among them.

>>714491565
name 2 games that came out after wow which need a subscription to play and are still active

>>714480521 (OP)
My favorite game is Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
Froggynigger

Give it to me straight /v/ros, is this is just /v/ermin who spend all day on here and do literally nothing else but shitpost just jumping on the latest thing for (you)'s, or do we have actual corpo damage control in our midst

>>714498357
I'll do you better: three.
FFXIV (2013 for 2.0)
Star Wars the Old Republic
Elder Scrolls Online
Most of these have a free trial or f2p version but you're gonna have to shell out subscription cash eventually.

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service game

Nah, my parernts aren't related

>>714480521 (OP)
I don't think I've ever played a live service game.

>>714480521 (OP)
They have like 5 years to figure it out. Surely a AAA studio with hundreds to thousands of "talented and diverse individuals" can figure out an offline mode for their next slop within 5 years. I mean 10 guys in a basement could figure it out on older and shittier tech 20 years ago.

>>714480521 (OP)
My favorite game is PSO1. Thanks to the live service boom, it lead the franchise down a path where instead of simply releasing a boxed product that gives you a full complete experience out of the gate, the franchise instead chased the trend of making live service titles plagued by a drip feed of content over years.

I wish for the death of live service games as it will lead to a return of boxed full experiences. I'm burdened by having only the fantasy of what could have been if SEGA just followed the same path Capcom took and kept the IP as an interative series, with only a finite amount of years of post-launch support before moving on to releasing the next retail title to iterate and refine itself from the previous entry, rather than cursing the franchise to suffer from the technical debt that happens with literally every single live service title that does not die within the first year. As an enthusiast of video games as an artistic medium, the problem with live service is not just the business practices such titles foster, it's the limitations running such a service presents over time as the games start to show it's age. Both Final Fantasy MMOs, Destiny, PSO, all of these games would have better served following a MH model where they do not become cursed with "technical limitations" as the technical debt becomes too burdensome to allow the developers to actually iterate and improve on their formulas over time.

>>714498552
only ff14 counts, you owe me atleast ONE more

>>714480521 (OP)
>you realize StopKillingGames is going to be the death of live service games, right?
Not really.
>your favorite game is probably a live service game
No.

Posting this here from the Stop Killing Games discord.
In short: it's looking very good, even the EU confirmed just having 1.2 million should almost certainly be good enough.
The game publisher fears the moldman.

>>714480521 (OP)
God I wish it would kill them. All it's going to do is make them slightly less shitty.

>>714480521 (OP)
Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne isn’t a live service game.

>>714488246
>and fags still kept paying it
nigga do you think we immediately bought the game a second time when they did that?

In other news, Finalnd is dark blue now.

Can someone name a single good game worthy of note that was unplayable because it shut down

>>714480521 (OP)
>NOOOOO MY HECKIN SHOOTER WITH DRIP FED COSTUMES AND FOMO EVENTS
>WE ALREADY INVESTED SO MUCH INTO TURNING [decent franchise] INTO SKINNERBOX SLOP YOU ARE LITERALLY RAPING US

>>714480521 (OP)
All this is going to do is forcing companies to add a checkmark that you must agree to when starting the game and makes you give up all the rights to make your own private server

>>714480521 (OP)
>death to live service games
>games have to come with everything again
>no more gay communities getting hype around nothing
>guys that say "erm how is more CONTENT a bad thing???" will be rounded up and raped and thrown into piles of burning faggots
Thanks Trump.

>>714480521 (OP)
The only thing I'll lose is YuGiOh Master Duel, and as much as I love it I'd be fine without it

>>714500961
>0.89%
FINNGODS...
I FUCKING KNEEL

My favorite game is Black & White
I woudlnt call it Live service

>>714482165
Reminds me when Dollar Store Obama wasted the time equivalent to a full time shift trying to convince the House to not vote for an overrated, bloated bill and one of the members admitted to couch man Vance that that speech convinced him to vote in favor of that bill.

>>714488246
factorio is free

>>714480521 (OP)
>your favorite game is probably a live service game

>>714501065
LittleBigPlanet

>>714501065
chu chu rocket got a sequel for the apple arcade but they took it off stores and its unplayable now

>>714480521 (OP)
My favourite "live-service" -game is already SKG-compliant.

>>714480521 (OP)
Have one of these bait threads ever been something that wasn't just lifted straight from the SKG's FAQ?

based fucking retard

>>714480521 (OP)
start killing games

>>714480521 (OP)
I agree with the sentiment behind this movement, but I cannot understand the backlash against piratesoftware for pointing out a fact.

The wording of the compaign is such that any game would need to be left in a "functional, playable state".

Essentially, that means once an online game (e.g. WoW, Rift, or any other MMORPG) has had its official servers closed down, I need to be able to open my .exe, just as I did beforehand and have a game I can play.

That doesn't leave developers with many options, they either need to find someone else to host their servers before they can legally stop running their own, or they need to convert the game to singleplayer compatible, which for many games is completely ridiculous.

All of the other "solutions" ive seen people post just do not align with the "funcitonal, playable state" mandate in the campaign.

Despite the feeding frenzy of popular content creators I think piratesoftware is right on this one. It's just become fashionable to shit on him.

>>714506003
It's a mood point in the light that the WoW has been running private servers forever, without support or documentation from Devs. Any future MMO that gets sunset just needs a bare minimum operational server functions to connect 5-50 people and some bare bones instructions on settings up the server docka scripts, from there fans can pretty much dick around the code until they something working.

>>714488246
>for no reason whatsoever
>and fags still kept paying it?
that's the reason you stupid fuck

>>714487660
>at least not until Firaxis goes full "mask off"
What do you mean by that?