>a 20 second video killed XBOX

How?

PlayStation is the best at taking advantage of opposition weakness.

The PS2 almost killed Nintendo outright and they had an over 20 year lead. They only survived because of pure game quality.

>>714486270
Putting a DVD player on your next gen console was genius at the time honestly I still remember being over at my friends house playing Burnout 2 or NFS2 and his family members wanting to hog the PS2 to watch Bady Boys 1 on it or something

>>714486416
>Bady Boys 1

>>714486416
I watched SpiderMan 2 on my PS2 every day after school. Then would play vice city and simpsons hit and run.

>>714486270
>They only survived because of pure game quality.
No? Nintendo survived because they had Pokemon and the handheld market, where they never EVER had any real competition. They realized that with the WiiU and stopped making home consoles.

i don't miss console wars
but i do miss when corporations didn't do the current hugbox shit and actually competed with eachother

>>714489594
Yeah they got bullied out of the home console market. Surviving only through handheld.

>>714486045 (OP)
Sony got so fucking lucky that they got to force paid online and no backwards compatibility with the PS4 while being seen as the savior of video games just because of how much people hated the Xbone

>this 20 second video
>not the entire pipeline and plan and committed attempt to rape the industry beyond recognition
FUCK xbox
theyve done nothing but add achievement points and fucking PAID ONLINE
FUCK THEIR CONSOLE
FUCK MICROSOFT
we need a new OS for PCs that isnt pure fucking cancer with ads in your fucking task bar and ad prompts on your fucking desktop/computer search functions

It's time for the coolest cats in the room to return and save this industry.

>>714493696
DO YOU REMEMBER
WHEN IT WAS TIME
PRETENDER
ATARI CHASING THE CLOUDS
AWAYY

>>714486045 (OP)
This didn't do anything. $500 and kinect was the actual killer.

>>714492213
PAID online it's nigger tier... Buy the game, pay to play it. FUCK MICROSOFT FOR INVENTING PAID ONLINE.

>>714486045 (OP)
I mean it helps that the Xbox one reveal was the most consumer hostile dystopian presentation ever shown to a crowd outside of a WEF Davos summit.
Seriously do you not remember the always-online kinect always watching shit they showed? Fucking horrifying.

Because Microsoft is run by retards.

>>714486045 (OP)
Somehow this 3 minute trailer killed Playstation so hard they were first to go multiplat

>>714486045 (OP)
It was a killing blow years in the making, and by Microsoft's own design.

It really goes as far back as Peter Moore stepping down and being replaced by Don Mattrick. Moore navigated the OG Xbox and early 360 years, stuff like Halo, Gears of War and Xbox Live Arcade happened under his watch. When he left, Mattrick chased Wii's trend with Kinect's launch in 2010, basically throwing most of Moore's work under the bus in the process. This is what a lot of people overlook - by the time you got to 2013, Microsoft was already on thin ice with their core fanbase. Whatever the next console was, a double down on Kinect would've been damning enough. Mattrick ended up going with something so much worse, and Sony saw their chance to break them forever over it. Sony threw the punch, but the wall was already brittle from years of internal neglect.

>>714486045 (OP)
100% chance they were planning to do the exact same thing, but scrapped it after how bad the Xbox conference went over.

>>714486045 (OP)
Mattrick killed Xbox. If the Xbone reveal wasn't early as fuck because they wanted to try to be first to market again like the 360 it wouldn't have given Sony time to back off. Remember everything Microsoft planned for Xbone with its online bullshit we know Sony was going to try until they realized they could backtrack and capitalize on the backlash.

Stop falling for smarmy corporate propaganda.

>>714486045 (OP)
>PS4® multi-player online access requires PSN™ account & PS Plus Subscription
This was the beginning of the end. That they got away with this. And even received cheer and applause at that. Is absolutely disgusting.

Sonybros will never accept that the PS3 was a massive failure.

>>714499081
Is anyone really in denial about that?

>>714499192
I've seen plenty of retards here claiming that it was better than the 360.

>>714499081
Ironically their last good console.

>>714499282
In the last few years of Gen 7 I don't think that can really be debated, though PS3 was still a financial failure.

>>714492213
>made us pay to use our own internet but gave out *free* games for subbing
>now the sub cost is higher and there are no free games because all their competitors are doing it too
It really is a race to the bottom

>>714499056
Feels weird to say that 8 years is "too early" but Mattrick did try to have his cake and eat it too.

>>714499081
Upfront, yeah. It was getting better at the end but meh.

>>714492213
if you paid for online you're part of the problem

>>714499282
I never liked Xbox in general so that doesn't mean much.

>>714486045 (OP)
Xbox did most of the hard work of killing itself. Not only it didn't hide the DRM infestation on its console but it showcased it front and center like it was a feature.

>>714491726
Not at all. Wii was commercial success and sold over 101 million units. Gamecube and WiiU were flops though.

>>714499081
Nintendobros will never accept that the N64 and Gamecube were failures.

>>714499081
At least PS3 had games. Like their most successful game ever launched on PS3, TLOU. And they've been chasing the same critical acclaim/sales ever since.

>>714491726
Switch 1/2 aren't handhelds lol. I don't know why that makes Sony fanboys so mad

>>714499560
Gamecube didn't even flop, Nintendo will also rake in money with that thanks to the GC on Switch 2 and selling GC controllers. That's what you can do if you actually focus on making first party exclusives.

>>714499081
It outsold the 360 lol

>>714486045 (OP)
It wasn't just this video, it was also caused by 12 years of incompetence afterwards.

>>714499770
>unironically paying for roms

Nintendo fans are a special brand of retarded.

>>714486045 (OP)
Considering Sony had nothing else to show, it's safe to say Sony planned the same thing and silently cancelled everything and redid everything at the last minute.
In fact it was always online too for years and it only got patched out a few years ago

>>714499867
You mad

>>714499647
N64 wasn't as bad as Gamecube. It still got stomped sales-wise but it also spawned several of the most culturally relevant games of its time. Nintendo's own stubbornness and hubris cost them that one. Gamecube was just a bad time altogether.

>>714486045 (OP)
shu and adam boyes telling how they shot this almost guerilla style on larp during e3 is still one of the craziest things, no one expected the ramification this small clip would have all over the vidya landscape

>>714499803
>it outsold the 360!
This is a cope. It only outsold the 360 after the generation had ended, like 5 years after it ended. During its active run, the 360 ended up selling more than it.

>>714486045 (OP)
Xbox Screwed Xbox

>>714491726
True handhelds are devices you can slip in your pocket. The switch is portable but it isn't a handheld. Phones took that market. Nintendo genuinely survives off the quality of their games

>>714500104
Nope, the N64 lost much more ground to Sony than the Gamecube did.

>>714499807
And 3 years of it beforehand.

>>714500519
Relatively speaking sure, in that there was much more ground to lose. The gap between PS2 and Gamecube is far wider on both ends of performance, but it really was just a widening of the already massive gap between PS1 and N64. Still, N64 had games like Super Mario 64, Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye that were genuine gamechangers. Gamecube couldn't really swing something on that level.

>>714500770
>N64 had games like Super Mario 64, Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye that were genuine gamechangers

Those games changed nothing. The N64 lost.

>>714486045 (OP)
>EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc. all spend the back half of 7th gen trying to kill off game rentals/used games in case you forgot about the whole ticket thing
>Approach both Xbox and Playstation to do something about it in their new consoles
>They do exactly that and are set to reveal this at E3 2013
>Xbox unfortunately goes first on stage and the backlash is so extreme that it ruins them forever
>Playstation historically goes last, and are able to change their presentation at the last minute
You can check this too, the first print copies of Killzone and Need for Speed actually have dummied out code for a unique copy ID system that's supposed to be in on the discs but has been erased before the copies were pressed. People think it was just another part of Microcock's hubris when the reality is that both companies were going to do it, and ultimately neither of them did.
It's ironic because here we are, one generation later, and people actually have accepted not having used games because of Steam, digital-only console models, and code-in-box retail copies being everywhere now. Nintendo even uses the unique copy ID system for their own games, they just use it to go after piracy instead.

>>714501598
I almost completely forgot about the online pass thing. It kinda just came and went

>>714501446
You're retarded and probably weren't when alive back then. N64 games outsold PS1 games despite the massive gap in install bases. Amongst the actual gaming community N64 was 100% relevant

>>714500770
The problem with Gamecube was that it launched with Luigi's Mansion, it's not a system seller, argubably even today with LM3 despite how much it sells.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_GameCube_video_games
When you look at when the games came out it made perfect sense why the GC underperformed. It didn't have a strong launch year.

>>714501446
>Those games changed nothing
They changed how video games were made. N64 had the best games and it had Goldeneye which was the console FPS game before Halo/COD.

>>714492213
They did a little more than that. Xbox introduced hard drives to consoles and we aren't using memory cards anymore because of that. XBLA also pretty much opened the floodgates for indies to be what they are today.

>>714489594
This.

>>714486045 (OP)
Not defending xbox, but sony was gonna do the same shit xbox was doing until the backlash xbox got.

>>714486416
Yes, and they continued the trend with PS3. Blu-ray discs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever HD DVD shit Xbox one uses . Don't quote me on this but I think we wouldn't have had VHS degradation issues if they were betamaxes instead, but I could be wrong on that.

>>714502604
You really think memory cards would still be in use without xbox?

>>714501931
>I almost completely forgot about the online pass thing. It kinda just came and went
Because of a combination of that E3, rental stores in general going under, and better access to both internet and data storage. The pass served its purpose of steering people towards only buying games new (however little it actually contributed to that) so it's not necessary anymore.
What's funny is that Xbox brought back the concept of renting games again with Game Pass (with Playstation copying it but in a worse way), but now people are so against game rentals that everyone calls it a bad deal and that you should spend $60-$100 per title instead.

>>714500389
Does the early 360 sales numbers also discount the RROD fiasco? Probably they are around the same considering that fact (50% vs 10% failure rate)

>>714502604
The XBLIG is what opened the floodgates, indies were crying and throwing tantrums because they couldn't pass the quality requirement for the XBLA.
And then MS killed both the XBLIG and the XBLA and the quality requirement so indies can now upload their garbage everywhere without issues

>>714486045 (OP)
11 years with a dogshit CEO killed Xbox, not le epic snoy own

>>714502935
Gamers became consumer cattle during that generation, so whether the RROD is 50% or even 80% doesn't matter, they're gonna keep buying new box regardless

>>714486045 (OP)
Never forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

>>714503374
Based.
This is why kekbox failed.
But snoy is trying to do the same.

>>714492213
>not that console as a TV presentation

>>714499081
My only gripe is that they could've easily avoided and changed that fucking retarded architecture if they didn't fell for the peer pressure of growing a larger release gap to the X360's release.

Also wished that they didn't compromised the PS2 chipset along the way but that's a completely different problem on its own.

>>714499867
Do you even know what ROM stands for?

>>714486045 (OP)
impressive, but not as powerful as
$299

>>714506487
/v/ is not old enough to remember that.

>>714505084
They were never not going to do the cell. It was Kuturagi's pride and joy. He was trying to get into the business of selling super computers, not just game consoles