Thread 714495354

>>714495354 (OP)
cool beans

>>714495354 (OP)
People still care about VR?

>loss leader for no games
not a serious project

>>714495691
Valve typically wants to set a standard for hardware, not be the main manufacturers. They tried it without making something themselves with steam machines which failed miserably, so they started actually making their own hardware that everyone else needs to compete with with the index and deck.

>>714495354 (OP)
>$1200 USD
>+ $500 USD steam deck
>To play VR flat games on a big screen without a computer

$1,700 USD could get you a combination of items that wouldn't be as awkward to use like this.

Where is the market there. I guess I've done that with a VR headset to watch stuff before privately and on a bigger screen with no TV around, but what even is it
>>714495691
>not a serious project
To be fair that's everyone's real opinion on gaming VR rn anyways. "In its infancy/learning to walk stage" is the same phrasing

>>714496168
>VR using a steam deck
Are you retarded?

>>714495354 (OP)
>Valve has not abandonned VR
Yeah, but everyone else has because it's a fucking meme.

>>714495354 (OP)
>4 face buttons
I can't believe it has taken about 10 years before someone realized it would be a good idea to just split a standard controller in half and add motion controls.

>>714496295
>One of the core features is the ability to play flat-screen game that are already playable on a steam Deck, but in VR on a big screen without a PC

Im assuming this would attach the Steam Deck to your body somewhere and attach to the headset, from the way they worded this.

If not it's a $1,200 VR headset that they just want to natively run your flat games on the gaming headset and at that point why wouldn't you just use $1,200 USD for a TV to connect the steam deck to.

I would never, in my fucking life wear a VR headset out in public, in a national park etc. That's just asking to be taken advantage of in a crime. Real homeless shit.

>>714496168
I feel like you misunderstood the stated specs

>>714496694
Where? Because I'm not seeing anything stated that I haven't in the OP post

>>714496669
>(You) in charge of reading comprehension

>>714496607
No one wants to move around like a faggot when chilling playin vidya. If I want to move I’ll do chores or go for a walk

I already have money set aside for it.
My body is ready.

>>714496775
Where does it say anything about attaching a steam deck? You're also acting like the ability to play pancake games is the only thing it can do, this is obviously a bonus on top of playing normal vr games which would logically be the main draw

>>714495354 (OP)
And what'll happen to the index?

>>714496828
>>714497006
The Quest is wireless, but to play certain games it has to be hooked to the PC.

If the appeal is to play your steam library with a bulky VR headset on to play games on a flat 2d screen, than a TV would do that much fucking better

>>714497038
It's a VR headset that also functions as a VR headset. Why wouldn't you want that?

>>714496953
Because it's stated goal is to play regular goals in a flat experience with 2 monitors attached to your head

>>714496908
same
hopes it's an actual upgrade from the quest 3

>>714497115
>It's a VR headset that also functions as a VR headset. Why wouldn't you want that?
Because there isn't a large enough market on VR Headsets for developers to try and Valve still is the only one whose bothered for a modern AAA experience tailored to it with Halflife Alyx

>>714497038
Meta 3 does wireless vr from your PC with a basic modern wifi router. I exclusively use mine with my PC and have never connected it via a wire.

Again, the main appeal of this new device is the same as always, vr games. I'd bet the pancake game feature wouldn't even stay exclusive to this new headset.

>>714495354 (OP)
day one buy for me
VR is where I want to be

>>714496882
That is my point. They should have just started from the standard that has been around since the PS1 rather than coming up with something new and inevitably worse. However, it is still better to go to the existing standard late than continue with the current limited controllers even if it will take forever for games to actually support it. At least it will work better for modded games.

>>714496903
Motion controls work better for some tasks and it only makes sense that you would have a mouse that tracks in 3D for 3D games.

>>714497367
It functions as a steamdeck for games that aren't VR. You can bring your steamdeck headset with you everywhere and use it to play on a large screen even if you're not at home.

>>714495354 (OP)
I did though

>>714496168
Anon the headset has the specs of a steam deck, you don't have to tack one on.

>>714497232
You're getting so hung up on what is essentially a qol improvement. Most people interested in this are interested in actual VR games and VR sims. It'll be cool to have a native way to play pancake games in VR but this is essentially the least important thing about the specs rumored in the tweet.

welp, time to start saving money i guess

>>714497501
but why would I buy a new VR headset when there aren't any devs making any games to take advantage of the headset because the ones that currently exist don't even get pushed to their fullest potential

>>714496903
>>714497498
I like games where all the movement is "natural", i.e. the player moving around their play space. Unfortunately that limits what you can make a lot.

>>714497630
>Most people interested in this are interested in actual VR games
Does it improve something that actually helps actual VR games, because the issue goes down to this
>>714497663

>>714496903
This.
Arcade Time Capsule is my favorite VR game but it's cumbersome having to switch from the Quest waggles to an arcade stick everytime you sit down to play something. Split traditional controls are better but we need some VR standard without the fucking wand garbage.

>>714496168
Its been "learning to walk" for 20 fucking years. Its time to admit mommy was an alcoholic.

>>714495354 (OP)
I've been waiting for so long but I just don't know if I believe them.

>>714497010
I've got an Index that I still use but who cares, it's like 6 years old at this point or something. It's well overdue for an upgrade.

>>714495354 (OP)
good vr needs 4k per eye at 144hz or above

unless they can fit 2 5090s into that headset they are wasting everyones time

>>714497727
Literally any improvements to comfort, battery life, sharpness, etc will be important. Yes VR has a long way to go from a software UX perspective but the hardware needs to get beyond where it is now. If you're into VR at this point you know that these headsets are only going to incrementally improve things with each iteration, but small improvements are still important.

>>714495354 (OP)
It better have eytracking, facetracking, lighthouse support and better fingertracking.

>>714497785
>Its been "learning to walk" for 20 fucking years.
The VR boy was in the 90s anon, this isn't Startrek where they use hollywood magic to fill out the holodeck.

It'd help if mommy was an alcoholic, most gamers want to get wasted/high and veg out in their couch playing their vidya games, mommy and daddy instead wants you to get a work out and most gamers do not want that in their relaxation hobby.

>>714495354 (OP)
>sold at a loss
How are they blowing $1200 per unit to manufacture this shit

>>714497781
>>714496903
just use head mounted displays you fucking retards

>>714496607
It's come full circle, if anything, since the first Oculus development kits came with an Xbox controller.

>>714496908
Death stranding 3 exclusively developed for the valve vr deckard? Sign me up to piss and shower in vr but not in real life.

>>714498537
a little too late lil bro

>>714495354 (OP)
Well shit. Guess I need to start saving up.

>>714498729
Sucks you bought that phone I guess? Dunno what that has to do with me.

>>714497385
>Meta 3 does wireless vr from your PC with a basic modern wifi router. I exclusively use mine with my PC and have never connected it via a wire.
How do you reduce hitching in games like Skyrim? It's pretty bad on mine and I've got a pretty good router and PC.

>>714495354 (OP)
They should abandon it, though. If Half-Life didn't make people give a shit, nothing else they have will.

>>714495354 (OP)
I was on the waiting list for a Valve Index for maybe a year and finally gave up. Doesn't matter what they make if they can't make enough to actually deliver units.

>Biggest hurdle of VR being adopted into the mainstream is the price
>Continue releasing absurdly priced hardware
If Zucc didn't go all in on that Metaverse nonsense he'd be eating Gabe's lunch rn.

>>714498913
what gpu?
are you using meta software?
have you tried virtual desktop/ALVR

>>714495354 (OP)
Looks like the sticks on the controllers have better ergonomics than the Index
I'd tentatively be willing to pay that price for it if they deliver something good.

>release headsets that cost a billion dollars because they NEED to have their own processing and rendering without a computer

fuck am I going to do with a headset that doesn't connect to a computer? can I connect my racing setup with multiple USB cables to the headset? no? so it's completely useless, and even if connecting to a PC is optional, the price is a ridiculous amount higher than it needs to be just for niche use cases where you wouldn't have a computer around.

>>714496607
The oculus touch controllers have been out since early 2017.

>>714499343
Totally agree. Should have more cables (not detachable). At least 4, left, right, top and bottom of the headset. So that you can plug it into 4 PCs. And no rechargeable battery so that you need to plug it into an electrical socket as well.

>>714499653
stop pretending to be retarded. even 5090s struggle running modern games, let alone VR games. how could a shitty mobile processor in the headset provide a better experience?

>>714499789
I agree. 8 cables should be enough

i've been waiting forever to upgrade from my gen 1 vive, this doesn't sound like what I was waiting for though. This doesn't sound like it's going to function as the index 2.

>>714500038
>>714499653
Why are you retarded?
A proper VR headset only makes sense to have cables that attach to as powerful of a rig as possible

anything else is just a straight downgrade

I have a Rift S that I haven't touched in years. It was neat when I got it but it has major limitations:
>very low resolution displays
>bad fresnel distortion
>head tracking sometimes glitched out
>uncomfortable headset
>fps is not quite high enough
I feel like if the resolution was at least 4k x 4k per eye, with at least 120 Hz, with more reliable head tracking and a better lens, then it would be a must have. Doesn't seem like anyone's hardware is quite there yet.

>steam can’t run vr2 games
>

>>714499343
It does connect to a computer though. You can use it without having to do that as well.

Pulley systems destroy your cable. Enjoy your 150 bucks replacement after a few weeks.

>>714500840
>he doesnt have a high quality cable guy
lol, went with amazon basic didn't you?

>amazon basics
>a cable you can only buy from valve
neck yourself mongoloid

>>714496903
I want to sit down and be able to look around 360 but using a real controller for actual movement.

>>714500957
>a cable you can only buy from valve
>1 Connection Cable featuring DisplayPort 1.2 and USB 3.0 Connections

yes because Valve is the only one that makes these...

>>714495354 (OP)
>$1200

Dead on arrival. You won't get large adoption rates with prices that high

>>714501247
They tricked everyone into getting a chink handheld for 500 bucks so... who knows

>>714501308
>everyone
Hand held pcs are almost as niche as vr and only a little less stupid

>>714495354 (OP)
>$1200
For that price I could buy a junker and just drive it around til the wheels fall off.

Will SteamVR be made not utterly shit for this headset's release?

>>714501749
Nope. They're dead set on making it the biggest piece of shit bloatware ever.

>>714499469
They only have two face buttons per controller. There is no reason no reason not to just have the standard four buttons.

>>714501308
No they didn't. Theres no way id get a MASSIVE handheld as my main way to play games. Maybe if i lived in a little box with no room for a big tv.

another amazing low resolution LCD headset with questionable controllers

they should've just made it a bigscreen beyond with inside out tracking and oculink support

>>714499079
He basically is eating Gabe's lunch facebook headsets have a way larger userbase than PC VR platforms which leads to compromises for PC VR games to make them playable on quest as well as facebook exclusive games.

>>714499789
eye tracked foveated rendering

>>714496168
>Where is the market there.
Every furry and tranny in VRChat will go "googoo gaga i want shiny" and prostitute themselves in public worlds for 10 bucks an efuck, then RMA their existing VR headsets to get a Deckard. They always want the latest enthusiast shit.

>>714501410
Sup grandpa, 09 was 16 years ago

>>714495354 (OP)
fucking hell... why don't we have vr gloves yet?? that picture better not be accurate, i'm dead-tired of those crappy fucking plastic controllers, they're outdated! the future clearly lies in using thin vr gloves and we all know it, so where are they??

>>714497115
>It's a VR headset that also functions as a VR headset
?

We know already.
Now when are they going to show it off and tell us when we can buy one?

>>714499001
alyx was a super short tech demo. the time is right for a real full-scale hl game.

>>714499469
i can't watch that plastic crap. it makes me too angry. vr gloves now!!

>>714497010
Discontinued
There's really no reason to buy the Index when Quest 3 is cheaper and better hardware-wise and with a new set incoming
Controllers and lighthouses might still see some use since Bigscreen Beyond is designed around them

>>714505795
how you gonna walk around? buy a vr treadmill?

>>714505795
we have vr gloves but you don't want to use them

>>714506631
yes. literally. that's clearly the real future for vr.

>>714501410
what part of no compromise vr headset dont you get
there is compromised subsidized vr headsets by meta, you're not buying one tho

>>714508131
>standalone with shitty mobile rendering chip
>no compromises made
there's no way a 1200 dollar headset is as good as a 1200 dollar computer + a 600 dollar headset that isn't standalone
and most of our computers are a lot more than 1200 dollars

>>714495354 (OP)
How's that fully playable end to end new half-life game going on lil bro?