Thread 714497565

Who's job was it?

that fact that you can buy shares in companies has destroyed capitalism

Who is what job?

Whose job was it to make a game that the people who actually play them want?

>>714497565 (OP)
>Who's job
Ligma balls

>>714497565 (OP)
Why is that goose so anti-semitic?

>>714497565 (OP)
If a dev sells his ass to a publisher, he has a responsibility to make games that sell well and don't go over budget. Never go public.

>>714497565 (OP)
Yep.
When I was watching Asmon's vid last night while I eating dinner, I thought 'yeah but where was Microsoft's Quality Control during the development of thee games in the first place?'

>>714498979
But how the fuck are AAA companies still afloat after taking so many financial losses?

>>714499136
Where's the quality control on asmongold's videos? All his content sucks. And only retards like it.

I'm sure complaining and making cute little internet comics will change their ways.
Surely there is no other way to deal with the CEOs destroying all of Earth.

>>714499678
Don't know what you're talking about. You should do it.

>>714497565 (OP)
>whom'stve

>make good game
>people won't buy it because they have been brainwashed by asmongold and other altright morons
>NOOO IT'S THE CEO'S FAULT THE GAME IS BAD

>>714501306
Which game?

>>714501618
concord

>>714501306
>asmongold
>owned by night co, same jew ran company by thiel that also runs likes of sam hyde and mr beast
>says it's altright
so next you're going to say alphabet agencies are behind anti-semitic memes on /pol/ ? Because they are, jews are creating anti-jew memes to rile up people

>>714497654
the fact you can earn money has destroyed federal banking

It’s a shame Capitalism is the only economic system that works in reality, cause it blows fucking chunks.

>>714504738
that was jews

>>714499678
he's getting his cheeks clapped in jail right now

>>714498876
Whose Steve Jobs?

>>714506132
RETVRN

>>714507581
I'd wager Derek Chauvin gets raped much more

>who's
Also this isn't a gotcha. It's entirely possible that the people working on the product did a shitty job and took way too long even with reasonable expectations

Why the fuck was Perfect Dark taking so long? What the fuck even was Everwild? The only mistake MS made was letting the charade go on as long as it did

>>714508119
I stop talking shit about management being retards once they actually do something to HR departments that gatekeep careers and allow these people to work in tech/entertainment companies in the first place.

>>714497565 (OP)
The project manager's. He reports to the manager with functional authority over the project, whose job is to advocate for the project on a corporate level, ask for funding and stuff. The corporate manager interfaces with his boss, the department head, who needs to filter and approve all requests made to the funding committee of their branch (who will ultimately approve the budget for the game) and report to his superior, the branch manager, who will interact with the overall funding body of the company to ask them for more funding for the branch as a whole. The branch manager reports to the branch director who owns functional authority for the branch and reports to the company president, who owns functional authority over the company. The president has delegated functional authority to the CEO over some matters, which get forwarded to him when they reach the president's office. The CEO then interfaces with the offices of the branch directors to send them instructions on the overall direction of the company.

I’m just wondering how well paid were the slave drivers in ancient Egypt?

>>714497565 (OP)
Reddit ahh meme

>>714507778
what happens if the monarch sides with the wealthy in this scenario

>>714508119
I've heard the horror stories. The reason shit takes forever is because even the tiniest change proposal needs to go through a dozen layers of bullshit to the point where adding 20 lines of code takes four weeks even if the developer could add them in 5 minutes. Everything needs to be approved by some retard who first needs approval from another retard.

>>714508289
Decently well. It's generally been a middle classee position through most of history. Not too shabby, but not top tier either

>>714497565 (OP)
You signed up for this job knowing it was contract work and were going to be let go regardless of success or failure, Mr. Duck.

>>714508301
Literally the modern British and Dutch monarchies.

So did Phil Spencer basically ruin his goodwill as the "gamer CEO" now?

>>714508301
the same thing that's happening in America presently, total collapse

It's always everyones fault but the devs.

>>714508119
And whose job is it to set quotas monitor their progress and take action when they are not met?

>>714507851
Nah Luigi is nice and young. He threw his life away for nothing during the prime of his life.

>>714497565 (OP)
the producers

microsoft doesn't owe you a job

sorry

>>714508570
takes 200 years tho before it actually starts to collapse

>>714497565 (OP)
I can't believe I'm the first person to post this, but setting expectations is the actual job of the director. Corporate comes in and says "what can you do?" and the director says "we can do X with Y dollars and Z time" and corporate comes bacl and says "how about X+2 with Y+1 dollars and Z-1 time with a possibility to extend on review?" and the director says "we can't do X+2 for [reasons] but how about X+1 with Y and Z with the same review options" and so on. Corporate *could* plant a poison project and demand something insane like X+10 and you have to share your FTEs with Customer Support or something, but that's not at all what was happened at Xbox.

So, it was the studio director's job to set the budget and expectations, by negotiation with Phil et al.

>>714499457
maybe Vaush is more up your alley

>>714497565 (OP)
>Publisher set deadlines and budget
>Devs cry about not having enough time and money
>Publisher give them infinite time and money
>Concord, Perfect Dark, Everwild and others happen
Maybe the problem was always the devs

>>714499219
Microsoft has infinite money. Their goal is to control the gaming market and making their shareholders happy.

>>714497565 (OP)
>who's

>>714508887
The entire thing is at fault. For these projects to be so bad they're getting mothballed entirely instead of retooled or passed off to a different team says that the project was doomed and no one noticed at any point to try and course correct.
Shit devs, shit management, shit producers. shit meets shit makes shit.

>>714508861
>false dichotomy

>>714497654
when traders got together and entered a joint venture to buy exotic goods from afar and sell them at home, spreading the risk and ensuring that none of them would be ruined if the ship sank, they actually destroyed capitalism?

or was it when one of them decided he didn't believe in the venture any longer, so he sold his share to one who still did?

was it when another one of them died and his son inherited his shares? was it when his son decided he'd rather have a house, and sold them to someone who had a good feeling about the spice market?

>>714498554
game director
who hires the game director?

>>714509478
It was when one of the people holding his share complained to the government that the guy running the company wasn't putting in enough effort to increase the value of his share.
And now it's literally illegal (in the US) NOT to make line go up at all costs.

>>714497565 (OP)
Executives are shit sucking retards, but they’re not the ones that are on the ground doing the by the hour development work. Blame is both on the retarded executives and “devs”

>>714509107
I'll keep saying this but the wrong crowd is making video games in this day and age.
The people who SHOULD BE DOING video games either aren't or don't have the means to.

The video games industry (why is it called an industry anyway?) suffers from too much success, it makes more money than film and music.
This of course attracted all the kinds of people who are only in it for the money, they spilled into into game studios looking for "careers" and other stupid shit like doing "video game degrees".
Unsurprisingly most studios today are filled to the top with le quirky female devs.

Nothing against women working in game studios mind you, some of them are fantastic artists, modellers etc but it's really a symptom of something bigger.

>>714509720
so they say, but we can see countless businesses spending insane amounts of money on DEI waste and woke posturing that everyone knows doesn't bring in a penny, and could very well ruin the company (just look at jaguar). but this goes unpunished, because it's in line with the state ideology.

it's not capitalism, it's communism

>>714510237
>DEI waste and woke posturing that everyone knows doesn't bring in a penny
It does create positive publicity and increases the perceived value of the corporation in the short term, which is all that matters for shareholders looking for a quick pump and dump.
None of them care if the company collapses five years later because they will have already sold their share.

>>714510237
>countless businesses spending insane amounts of money on DEI waste and woke posturing that everyone knows doesn't bring in a penny
Blackrock and the gang literally pay you to create DEIslop.

>>714497565 (OP)
9 times out of 10, the expectations are reasonable and the budget is more than enough, yet games always come out broken and shitty.

>>714509107
I think with this round of layoffs, it was really just the hens coming home to roost. I feel like MS has been allergic to cancelling games after the fallout of negativity they got for cancelling that Fable game, the phantom dust reboot, and Scalebound (even if Scalebound was very likely a fucking mess to begin with when every single time the game got shown it looked like a different genre of game.) Maybe the thought got embedded too deeply that maybe games like Scalebound or Phantom Dust could have turned around if just given enough time.

With how much of a mess everyone knew Perfect Dark and Everwild were from leaks from behind the scenes, I think it was more than warranted to finally just pull the plug on those games if they were still no where close to completion. The only real casualty seems to be that Project Blackbird, but considering what it was slated to be (a live service shooter targeting a 2028 release.) it was more likely cancelled due to risk assessment. If Destiny, the king of live service looter shooters is fracturing with no signs that things are going to turn around I can't even imagine how risky a new IP looter shooter can fare 3 years from now when it's really starting to look like the live service well is drying up fast.

>>714511130
This, they even killed Forza Motorsport, it used to be one of the 3 big xbox IP with Gears and Halo.
You know it's really fucking bad when they have to go that far.

>>714499678
Fuck off, fed.

>>714511391
I have my doubts that Motorsport is really gone. Any studio that was hit with layoffs but not fully shut down you should consider with the expectations that many of those laid off will just be given contracts to fill the same roles they got fired from. This is usually how MS operates every time they run these layoffs where 90% of those who lost their jobs just get those same jobs back. In some cases, those contracts end up with either comparable or even higher salaries, but because of the retardation of how corporate America works for whatever reason offering someone the same job as a contractor with a higher salary but no benefits still look better on the books even in cases where the recipient of the contract effectively got a raise even after accounting for what they would need to pay out of pocket now for their personal insurance.

I fully expect at least some of the staff at Turn 10 to just get offered contracts for the same positions while they just work as a support studio for the next Forza Horizon before the next proper Motorsport gets greenlit (or Forza just transitions to being all about the Horizon subseries instead.)

Why are Software companies in general ran so poorly? My sister is a software dev for a random software company and she has told me most of the time she sits around doing nothing. Compare that to me working in the BioPharma industry where everyone is constantly busy and never not working and everything is extremely efficient.

>>714509720
This. Ford v. Dodge needs to be overturned.

>>714512154
I work in software and am also constantly busy

It seems to be mostly an issue for these giant American companies because they have infinite money and tend to overhire

>>714509720
>And now it's literally illegal (in the US) NOT to make line go up at all costs

It's literally not, you're a retard who's fallen for plebbit commie propaganda.

>>714512634
They overhire in kind of a boom-bust cycle. You pick up as many people as you can when you have lots of projects going, make line go up a lot by increased revenue. Then once all those projects complete you purge all your staff to make line go up by reducing costs. This is only sustainable because codemonkeys are such an incredibly oversaturated field where there are 5 jeets for every position.

>>714497565 (OP)
>devs make a shit game
>blame the ceo
lol
lmao

>>714497565 (OP)
Who is job was it?

>>714498916
Judging by the grammar, it's likely because he's brown.

Japanese CEOs and leaders tend to take the blame for project failures and get replaced, which is why they produce better games than America.
In America, shit floats to the top and is allowed to stay there forever. That's why Indians dominate American companies so heavily, too.

>>714497565 (OP)
the left can't meme

>>714513467
>hire for cheap
>strict deadline forcing underpaid and probably unskilled workers to crunch
>all to make a focus tested first person souls like coop looter shooter with microtransactions and an in game camera for marketing memes
>game comes out dogshit 70% of the time
>close studio and give yourself a 100 million USD pay raise
>rinse and repeat until entire company goes under
>get out with your golden parachute and land straight into an executive position at the company down the street
it is almost always on the CEO

>>714516484
>>strict deadline forcing underpaid and probably unskilled workers to crunch
lol, pure fantasy
every big studio that been closed down in recent years, from the saints row reboot to M$ ones, either failed to proce a single product in 5-10 years or release an awfull game on insane 100-300mln$ budget
also those arent some fucking mine workers, some of those studios have median pay in excess of 100k$ a year, they get paid insane amount of money at a very young age often without any experience or education, you have "kids" who are 20 who have senior and lead positions, and even get share cuts

truth is its the devs scamming the cluless jewish ceos in their own game

>>714497565 (OP)
It's whose

>>714497565 (OP)
>muh publishers evil
I hate redditors.

>>714519274
i thought it was agreed here that publishers almost always worsen the condition of developers by demanding games to be more profitable at all costs

/v/ will literally go back on their beliefs just to one up reddit

>>714508301
The peasants take up their pitchforks and torches, storm the castle, behead the monarch.
Unfortunately now we got tanks and artillery and drones pointed at us while the government says we shouldn't be allowed to own a high capacity mag or an automatic rifle because that could help us keep the government in check and we can't allow that.
Still utterly BAFFLES me how mart sharters were such STUPID NIGGERS that they allowed the 1st amendment to shift from defending ourselves against a tyranical government to self-defense against fellow negroes wearing nothing but boxers and wifebeaters and hunting rabbits or whatever. I always knew sharts were dumb niggers, but this is downright low functioning kind of mental deficiency.

>>714519757
>we dindu nuffin
Are all devs black now?

>>714497654
And no one here will buy these shares. Its like you guys hate vidya games.

>>714498979
>meanwhile we have to dump $400 million into this garbage nobody wants because our hamplanet mutt DEI hire “market analyst” and Black investor says it’ll be the next GAAS trend that will make us billions!

>>714497565 (OP)
I cant take redditor opinions seriously because they know why games are so awful now and shit but they dont want to say it so they dont appear toxic

>>714508301
Did you forget about the French Revolution?

>>714508570
My stocks have been up for months so I don't believe you.

>>714497565 (OP)
The CFO's. Finance is literally in their name.

>>714497565 (OP)
Reminds me of Hytale

>>714519757
>i thought it was agreed here that publishers almost always worsen the condition of developers by demanding games to be more profitable at all costs
thats not even true
publishers are cancer since they do nothing to keep studios in line, they provide infinite money and allow leftist hacks to make the most woke crap ever with no care for the consumer
look at 343 or any m$ studio really, they fucking take 5+ years to release a single product, multiple games hit 7-8 year dev cycle before being canceled, and when they do release it its fucking shit

the problem with those publishers is that they can offset those loses by other products, while indie studios have to make sure to make a product that sells

>/v/ will literally go back on their beliefs just to one up reddit
fuck off, people here know game devs are woke fags
its not CEOs who made them this way, its far left women infiltrating HR, firing all men, and replacing them with blue haired women and trannies

>>714497565 (OP)
The only studio that Microsoft closed that didn't make much sense was Tango Gameworks because Hi-Fi Rush (by their own admission) sold well, was received very well, and won awards. Every other game is made by studios that pump out wokeshit that gets like 500 concurrent players on steam but still costs $10,000,000+ to make.
Does Microsoft suck? Yeah, of course they do. But we also need to accept that a lot of studios suck and just make garbage that no consumer actually wants. I am shocked the South of Midnight devs weren't axed considering their game was a total bomb.

>>714524114
>Japanese video game developer based in Tokyo
There's your reason.

>>714524114
Tango got hit since both The Evil Within 2 and Ghostwire: Tokyo flopped
i doubt Hi Fi performance mattered, they probably decided to close them down but first publish their last game
thats why i expect it didnt have any marketing

>>714524613
Evil Within 2 was generally well received as well, though likely underperformed. Ghostwire: Tokyo was an experiment that kind of failed, yeah. But they probably should have held their horses after Hi-Fi Rush actually got Microsoft some good fucking press for once. Instead they just axed the studio and ported it to other consoles lmao.

>>714511816
>americans deal out guns to say "we might fuck up in the future, here's a contingency to show we care"
>everyone goes mad when you actually use that contingency
land of the free

>>714512608
>>714512764
you two need to fight to see who's opinion is better
>hands you both implements of destruction
and I DO mean "fight"

>>714497565 (OP)
the consumer

>>714526827
>it's the customer's job, nay, RESPONSIBILITY to tell the corporate suits and shareholders how to run their company
excellent bait

>>714527498
consumers set the expectation and expected revenue sets the budget

>>714527925
yeah line goes up plan for line going up more blah blah blah, nice rhetoric retard be sure to check your golden parachute for any intentional tears nice time you jump off your burning startup

>>714528035
ok

>>714528160
You sign the ECI for SKG yet?

>>714527925
if consumers set expectations, why aren't consumer expectations filled in lieu of CEO expectations? and who sets expected revenue?

>>714497565 (OP)
gay reddit meme, not disagreeing tho
>>714510237
the new marxism is compatible with market economies because it focuses on things like race, sex, sexual orientation, culture, religion, etc. far more than class, and this is the only marxism that's really left standing, so it is, in reality, the natural evolution of leftist thinking, it is the real leftism that surpassed old school marxism which failed
also, just saying, all marxism is maximally retarded

>>714497565 (OP)
>Hello karen, welcome ranjeet to the team
>Pack your stuff, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here
Don't you love it when white women get a taste of that diversity they wanted

>>714528372
Consumer expectations are largely filled and ceo interests typically align with consumer interest except in the case where consumer interest is destructive and vice versa. Revenues are easily calculated, it only takes two numbers and one is the price of your game.

>>714528602
ranjeet will be fired within a year anyway as he's rightfully deemed as corporate chaff
0% chance he actually makes waves or codes well enough to have "job security"

>>714529275
There are too many jeets in the management who will protect him because jeets hire only jeets

>>714529275
Ranjeet will work harder and complain less than any of his entitled white co-workers

>>714529470
so they're just subject to the same caste system they ran away from? great plan
>>714529515
Stay mad.