What went wrong with P5X and what went right with Uma Musume?

>>714508664 (OP)

Ban steamchart threads

Streamers got sponsored to advertise P5X and abandoned

People are playing Uma Musume for the memes on their own volition

>>714508664 (OP)
that northern lion guy started streaming the horses

>>714508664 (OP)
Did Blue Archive beat both of them combined?

>>714509178
No, but shadowverse did for some reason

>>714508664 (OP)
Persona 5 fatigue

>>714508664 (OP)
Persona is pretty good as a game. Haven't played Uma yet but not sure I want to get into another Cygames slop after spending so much time on princess connect.

anime girls doing horse races is an inherently funny concept so even normalfags can embrace it. people also love gambling.
persona 5 overstayed its welcome in the original game.

>>714508664 (OP)
Uma has a more dedicated fanbase because of the anime, everyone just needed the game to get localized. P5 is popular but I can imagine a big part of the fanbase is on the casual side or already moved on

>>714508664 (OP)
People can't appreciate the complexity of the subway slammer

>>714508664 (OP)
Blue Archive mog both.

>>714510485
troon archive lost thoughbeit

>>714508664 (OP)
OH NO NO NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>714508664 (OP)
Stonetoss

>>714509178
blue archive pedos lost and got raped by somehow losing to all of them simultaneously

>>714509008
>Streamers got sponsored to advertise P5X and abandoned
this is just not true

>>714511052
that's pretty good though considering that it's 4 years old along with global

>>714512941
And uma is a 5 years late game. That number is pitiful for the IP that dominate Comiket.

>>714512941
#1 at comiket btw, as baggots are keen on always remining you

>>714513056
The difference is that BA is readily available in english while uma musume didn't have an english version before.

>>714513056
I don't get this meme 5 year old meme.
uma released after BA

>>714508664 (OP)
P5X's story is genuinely fucking terrible. Most of the characters are pretty bland too.

>>714508664 (OP)
I've avoided umamusume for years even when everyone was hyping up the anime because i heard it was one of the worst gachas in terms of stuff like dailies and gameplay, and also its apparently literally based on yakuza horse racing and they banned porn which all seems really offputting
so why all the hype and success right now? was all of that stuff lies and its secretly kino and not that bad? has the porn ban been lifted?

>>714514146
>avoiding the anime

retard

>>714509178
KEKAROO, BA lost to both. Astroturfed piece of shit

>>714509240
current players just keep falling though

>>714513221
Umafags don't brag constantly about how popular their game is like BAfaggots do. Turns out it's just astroturfed, which explains why it gets so much art but that doesn't translate to sales or players

>>714514146
Honeymoon period, the fatigue will set in after a month.

>>714515112
you first said it would be after a week

>>714511052
BA has zero gameplay and only the art carries it, so why even play?

>>714515582
schizo

>>714511114
more like stoneloss

Am I supposed reroll for Uma? Any guides? Haven't played a gacha in years.

>>714508664 (OP)
It's crazy to me that Uma numbers are increasing. I know it broke into mainstream, even for a short moment, but I woudn't have bet on it.
I wonder what is the actual player retention rate and the new players count.

>>714515843
You're supposed to reroll for Support Cards rather than Umas themselves.

Roll in card banner > Title Screen > Delete Data > Enter game and select Skip Tutorial
This takes like 2-3 minutes per reroll.

Try to get cards like "Super Creek" and/or "Fine Motion".

Also you get a free ticket to select a SSR Uma.

>>714508664 (OP)
How's GFL doing?

>>714515582
It's fun now since people are still having trouble with URA. Once Kitasan comes and people start steamrolling through that shit it just becomes a RNG fest of trying to win the lottery for a better Uma. The first year of new campaigns will be bad too with MANT. If the devs don't prioritize adding the new auto feature JP has, things will get only worse.

>>714516252
am i just supposed to pick whichever horse i think looks cute from the selection ticket? i got the big booby horse support card and 2 copies of another ssr so i figure this is the account i'm keeping

>>714516446
People who play GFL have brains so they use standalone clients instead of middleman steam jew.

>>714508664 (OP)
>uma
Northernlion

>>714516731
Umas will have terrain that they're better or worse (Turf/Dirt), distances that they're better or worse like short distances (sprint) or long distances, and they're going to have "positions" that they could be better or worse (front runner, pace chaser, late surger, end closer) because there's stamina involved so being 1st isn't always the objective (for most of the race anyways), also every Uma has different "Unique Skills" (kinda like super attacks) and different sub-skills too. So yes there's a lot of differences but Support Cards are still more important.

>i got the big booby horse support card and 2 copies of another ssr so i figure this is the account i'm keeping
Super Creek? That sounds good then, you could try to reroll to get an even better combo but it depends on variety too, you want to have at least one SSR/SR card of every stat (Speed, Stamina, Power, Guts, Wits)

>>714508664 (OP)
Uma became a fotm because streamers hyping it up. I'd compare the numbers in a month to see which is actually more popular

>>714516856
>People who play GFL have brains
Lmao, this level of cope.

>>714508815
No hooves though???

>>714509325
Probably the only actual good answer. People are sick of P5 spinoff shit and just want a new one. Its been 9 fucking years since 5 released and there is zero news on 6

>>714515671
Post Uma gameplay.

>>714516446
GFL2 is dead in the water, at least on Steam.

>>714514146
Only issue is one of the daily goals taking longer than usual since it's more involved than your usual autopilot gacha stuff.
It has porn if you have more than half a brain.
It's success is due to it having heart for gacha standards

>>714517805
Wait wtf, that's actually really bad. The game seemed pretty ok when I tested it on release. I guess most people are playing on phone or the independent launcher?

>>714511114
wow very original

>>714518043
>It's success is due to it having heart for gacha standards
KEK
It's success is due to nips being gambling addicts who are obsessed with horse racinh

>>714517208
That's wild, you BAfaggots used to talk so big lmao. Always ready to gloat about how popular BA is, I'm glad the steam release actually came out

>>714518775
>you BAfaggots
OP is about P5X vs Uma. I think BA is boring as shit to play

>>714509008
I don't think Northerlion took a sponsorship. He's playing it for shitposting purposes

>>714508664 (OP)
5X hits you with a litteral "Keep grinding for a couple days, till then you can't progress anymore" wall right before sending the first calling card

>>714518926
I think he's unironically enjoying the game. He still plays Pokemon Go, so it's not like he's anti phone games

>>714518775
>BA out of nowhere
Seek help

>>714518926
He started it because his chat asked him to, he seems to be liking it now but who knows how long it'll last since he specifically dislikes gacha games

>>714509240
is this worth playing

>>714518048
it's split between two clients btw

>>714519258
Do you like spreading your ass for KMR?

>>714519258
if you want anime hearthstone but with Aggro being the undisputed meta right now sure

>>714519258
>90% of your deck's power is concentrated on a single card
>You're fucking unstoppable if you have the right draw
>Feels like you're doing absolutely nothing if you don't
I didn't like it

explain yourselves, bakeks

>>714518048
Yes. MICA made retarded move and split game between different publishers for different countries so if you used steam jew or jewgle play store, you were automatically assigned to whatever region/publisher was servicing that region/country. Because of this people simply downloaded standalone client/apk from website to gather on darkwinter server which is under publisher closer tied to MICA to minimize chances of publisher fuckup like in case of GFL1 on CN where game went offline and I don't know if they already found new publisher and brought it back online.
And good for them. Fuck steam. If they were releasing standalone installers, like gog, I wouldn't shit on them this much. Right now steam is scam.

>>714508815
You're not wrong.
>t.ponyfag

>>714519878
>2 days and baggots already dropped by half

OH NO NO NO NO

>>714511706
Nigga we've seen how Sega conducts business with Yakuza, don't post naïve bullshit like this.

>>714519878
It's a port of a game that's already had a global version for almost 4 years now. Most people playing it are in the endgame and thus have very little to do whenever they log in.
Meanwhile the other two are full-on launches so everyone playing them have dozens of hours of content to get through. This really isn't a surprise at all.

>>714519878
this much of a flop and i still have to see their fucking /v/ generals every day

>>714514146
>I've avoided umamusume for years even when everyone was hyping up the anime
The anime is actually good
>and also its apparently literally based on yakuza horse racing and they banned porn which all seems really offputting
The characters are based on actual, real life horses, some of which are even still alive today. Naturally the owners of these horses don't want them associated with porn hence the developers have strict guidelines against porn to avoid getting into licensing issues with owners. These guidelines are pretty much just a "pretty please", fans comply because nips gonna be nips but it doesn't actually stops anyone from making and posting porn, the yakuza isn't going to shoot anyone as funny as those stories sound

>>714520194
cope
baggots always act like their game is the greatest most popular gacha ever thinking that topping comiket is the same as topping everywhere

Finished the uma tutorial, I still have no fucking clue what is going on. God damn gacha games with their 5 billion menus.

>>714519878
I cant show myself in /gbfg/ anymore...

>>714518926
Sports is an easy thing for him to talk about and anime girls pretending they're horses is a funny thing to talk over

>>714519878
That's a port of a game that's already been out for years on my phone

>>714518926
Reading comprehension? I said P5X people play because they got sponsored. People playing horse game are doing it for memes and gambling.

>>714521657
>present sound logic that's easy for any neutral party to intuit
>"c-cope"
I forgot you're the shitskin who rendered /gbfg/ unusable years ago

>>714511052
This is one of the most shillef ips on this site. I really believe that the developers pay artists to make lewds too.

>>714511114
That happened to the actual irl horse

>>714522816
that's a fact though

>inb4 the obligatory baggot post saying "n-not true"

>>714508664 (OP)
slop vs flop

>>714522851
it's happened to many irl horses. they fall and break a leg in a race then boom headshot

>>714511114
where's the amogus here

>>714508815
>kemonomimi
>hussy
no sir you are a liar

>>714519878
It won't let me login

>>714508664 (OP)
P5X is pretty bad all things considered. The only thing it has going for it to draw interest is the Subway Slammer.
Meanwhile Umamusume is practically designed to go viral. Everything about it can draw interest and get people to try it. Then you fall in love with your horse daughterwife and you’re hooked.

>>714514287
I avoided the anime because of the useless male character. Wish it was horse girls only

>>714525738
retard

I don’t play gacha.

>>714508664 (OP)
mu twitter feed is getting flooded with uma musume, the only p5x related things that i saw were jokes about the subway slammer.

i don't play either, but in my own bubble uma musume picked up a lot of steam, i don't know why, i don't play gachas out of principle but i've heard it has an anime so i might watch

>>714514146
The fans are VERY annoying but the porn of Daiwa Scarlet is great. The fans are just VERY FUCKING ANNOYING

>>714508664 (OP)
Blue Archive lost

>>714508664 (OP)
Marketing. Have not seen any ads p5x.

>>714526479
there are umamusume ads?

>>714516446
selling buns
https://x.com/unchainedsora/status/1940925861840277546?s=46&t=088ymdEC0KOteP65RGpHRg
https://x.com/shorty18045/status/1940838698050048174?s=46&t=088ymdEC0KOteP65RGpHRg
https://x.com/t0x1c_fire/status/1940950359834611994?s=46&t=088ymdEC0KOteP65RGpHRg
https://x.com/chancocopuffs/status/1940915425841422515?s=46&t=088ymdEC0KOteP65RGpHRg
https://x.com/bladewild_/status/1940869466080137564?s=46&t=088ymdEC0KOteP65RGpHRg

>>714526705
The streamers that the fanbase convinced to play the game

>>714508664 (OP)
Huh? Looks like Persona gacha is doing great, considering that you're comparing it to one of the biggest gachas in history. Japs are on Steam too you know

>>714526787
>3DPD
>american 3DPD

>>714508664 (OP)
Northernlion

>had to deal with nonstop shit gacha threads
>now need to deal with nonstop shit gacha STEAMCHARTS threads

>>714527462
I'm trying to imagine ways this subgenre of human could get any worse. Maybe somehow combine it with Dall-E and a sad mario image

>>714525738
kitahara jones is based

>>714511052
The fgo killer they said
Hahahahahahahaha

>>714527739
based

>>714508664 (OP)
Turns out paying streamers to play your game boosts player count

>>714527462
This is the guy forcing these shit threads and shitposting btw

>>714527739
Why are you sooooo mad? Is it because no fate game has as many players?

>>714522816
This has been known for years
Other games use their revenue to fund other projects, make other games, improve the game, make anime, music, etc
BA is the only one that use the money to commission porn and art, and it kinda works since their playerbase is full of porn addicts, sadly this won't positively effect sales so they keep dying

>>714529206
>>714528094
Get a life shay

>p5x
gachaslop masquerading as a persona game

>horse girls
streamerbait fotm

>>714529206
ok that sounds kinda based though

>>714529206
>BA devs commission over a thousand doujinshi of underage characters every comiket
BASED???

>>714527739
post FGO's steam numbers

>>714508664 (OP)
>chinese bug slop :(
>japanese authentic gacha :D
p5x is a chink game, might've been different if it was developed in jp

>ba devs comm porn
I mean i get sfw art in general every gacha does this. Hell even artists sometime have an already drawn blanc figure and when acharacter gets popular they quickly add details. I never heard of devs trying to promote via nsfw. Nsfw artists are usually targeted by sex toy companies at best.

>>714508664 (OP)
There is a surprisingly low overlap between Persona and gacha fans, most of the negative P5X reviews are literally people complaining that it's a gacha. A bunch of large streamers latched onto Uma Musume for some reason so that gave it a big boost too.

>>714508664 (OP)
Uma is being marketed, P5X is not

>>714533941
not sure what point you're trying to make. You really think game publisher would release a game without ads?

Asmongold played Uma Musume and enjoyed watching Mejiro McQueen fail at everything for 40 minutes, that's pretty good advertising.

>>714531892
FGO hires nsfw artists from time to time

>>714534276
My point is this

>>714534316
That's why game companies are paying streamers instead of Google Ads

>>714509178
Didn’t even get half of umas playerbase

>>714514146
You listened to every single regarded meme that I can not consider you anything but an npc. There was never a porn ban (not that it should matter, coomer nigger). Uma is unironically the only gacha with any actual gameplay.

>>714520194
>>714522359
So has uma. Cope

>>714536425
>Uma is unironically the only gacha with any actual gameplay

>>714525738
Lol still here huh?

>>714536962
So you don't even play uma but use it as a tool to shit on other games?

>>714536972
Post your auto battle slop

>>714508664 (OP)
>wow i love persona 5! I sure wish it was gachaslop
Literally no one asked or wanted this crap

>>714537315
Been playing it for 4 years, pinoy. Cope.

>>714534316
The seethe from yurifags after that was hilarious.

>>714508664 (OP)
all the normie streamers are hyping this slop up

>>714537556
why would yuriniggers care if asmongoloid sucks at hors game?

>>714537432
FGO, as shit as it is, is more of a game than uma's retarded menu simulator. Same goes for Hoyoshit.

>>714537525
Then you would know it's not the same version

>>714537838
They were mad because they thought he would bring "chuds" to the game.

>>714508664 (OP)
what do you even do in horsegame? it's made by cygames so is it like gbf? can i grind for 18 hours to progress my account and then wake up and do it again?

>>714538237
I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>714536425
>gacha has actual gameplay
>but it's still a gacha

>>714537974
That means absolutely fuck all. You want them to drop English players right into a 4 year old game with a competitive meta? Cope you retarded SEA nigger. Your game is trash and is astroturfed by sub human cooomers.

>>714537941
Any game with an autobattle isn’t a game. Uma Musume has no autobattle. Every single game ever is a menu simulator with animations to hide that fact.

>>714536962
Not in english

>>714538736
>You want them to drop English players right into a 4 year old game
You just proved >>714520194 right

>>714538237
>anime girls with jiggly jiggly jiggle physics running on a race track
yes im sure asmongoloid is what is bringing people to hors game

>>714538871
>Any game with an autobattle isn’t a game
Says the guy shilling the "game" where the races are literal cutscenes with 0 player input.

>>714539249
>https://twitchtracker.com/channels/ranking
Asmongold is the second most watched Twitch streamer with 57000 average viewers

>>714539249
Any publicity is good publicity. He could've streamed it for one hour and done nothing but shit on the game and some people would've checked it out still.

>>714539529
He's sixth, actually. Not sure how that ranking metric works when the only other column where he cracks the top 5 is "hours watched in the last 30 days", where he's fourth.

>>714539512
that comes after a whole stretch of stat gambling and management btw

>>714538871
>Every single game ever is a menu simulator with animations to hide that fact.
Probably one of the most retarded takes I've ever seen on this site

https://personacentral.com/p5x-interview/

tldr - atlus wrote the main scenario and designed the gameplay systems, they directed the side stuff (social links and arcanas and jobs) while sega wrote them in a decent segments for mobile players, and perfect world was doing all the grunt work and making extra gacha characters

this is a full blown persona game with gachaslop forcibly attached.

>>714508664 (OP)
What went so wrong?

>>714539969
>stat gambling
Wow, RNG rolling, now that's REAL gameplay
>management
You have to manage your party setup in auto battlers too. And don't pretend like the "management" in Uma is some thought intensive task

>>714540270
I've played ever crisis and I've played p5x - ever crisis is basically just an autobattler while p5x feels like an actual persona spinoff with gimmick fights and puzzle fights and stuff

>>714540270
SE is so unbelievably shit at making mobage it's insane

>>714508664 (OP)
It's literally just because we're waiting for the second palace conclusion and there's not much to do.

>>714508664 (OP)
>P5X
Fake Japan
>Uma Musume
Pure Japan

Do these two have character interaction scenes and other flavor content that will permanently disappear after a short timed even like Genshit does? If so I'm not going to bother with them.
>Just watch these on Youtube!
Might as well just watch your entire anime "game" on Youtube, you fucking faggots.

Once I found out all the horses are based on real horses I got a lot more into it. Looking into all the Gold Ship stuff is hilarious I was wondering why she was such a douchebag compared to everyone else

>>714508664 (OP)
I have around 320 hours across the various P5 titles, I'm not playing a fucking gacha version. Give me P6.

>>714508850
Fpbp

I dont think people understand

Horse racing is instinctive shit that sends your brain into overdrive
Your ancestors loved it and so you will too

>>714508664 (OP)
>my slot machine is better than other slot machine
The fuck is wrong with you people?
>>714518926
>>714519029
>>714519239
>>714522237
>>714522657
HOLY FUCK KILL YOURSELF YOU ECELEB ADDICTED RETARDS. All of you are fucking faggots holy fuck.
>muh eceleb man wow he like did a thing
>yeah wow bro like wow
>my life is 24x7 ecelebs
FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>714542876
>MUH SLOT MACHINNNNNNNE
You all have permanent irreparable brain damage.

>>714531183
touhou the eternal

>>714508850
Based

>>714511052
>Bribe players for review
>Still flopped
LOL
LMAO even

>>714531183
wow they have a booth for every 5 players

>>714508664 (OP)
Reminder that a mentally ill fatlus janny was deleting umamusume threads when this whole thing started. Imagine how shitty and boring /v/ would be if they had been successful in suppressing it.

>>714540270
ouch

>>714539512
It’s horse racing. Tell me, chang, input do you have in a horse race?

>>714543604
Based, fuck gachatards

>>714508664 (OP)
Because Persona is a non gacha franchise. P5 fans are either ironic weebs or actual JRPG fans. Neither are interested in playing a watered down gacha version. And gacha players doesn't really want to try it out since you're technically "required" to know about the franchise beforehand.
Point is; it's a game that appeals to neither JRPG players and the average gacha players. You have to be a hardcore Persona fan to play it.

>>714549024
But wouldn't that janny hate that P5 was made into a gacha and was also not made by the japanese? I would hate P5X if I was a fan of the franchise because of what it represents.

P5X is a pretty cool concept, it being an actual Persona game+gacha. But, I don't know why, it just feels tiresome to play. I want to keep playing it, but I also have to go through story and life sections that are also stamina gated. I also fucking hate these gacha that have tonnes of currency and stuff to grind from the get go. Uma I can just log in, do some daily stuff and then go straight to training.

>>714508664 (OP)
P5x sponsored by tons of streamers while Uma Musume just dropped without paying any faggot to spout paid lines.

>>714508664 (OP)
I'm playing P5X on mobile because it's literally "do dailies, log off" for me right now.

Also Ume probably doesn't ask to install an anti-cheat while P5X does.

>>714553754
>implying normalfags like asmongold or northernlion would play a niche weeb gacha without getting paid

>>714554186
Pretty sure Uma on steam does have kernel level anti cheat.

>>714508850
agreed

>>714519258
>That shit economy for F2P
No.

>>714508664 (OP)
>lower overall peak but higher 24 hour peak
horse game has legs (heh) due to constant circulation of memes on xitter and twitch, so people who get bored are being replaced. everyone who cared about p5x were there basically on day one, so as people get bored and filter out nobody is replacing them. horse game will also drop off once people are bored of asking twitch streamers to play it or posting jokes on social media. hope that helps, kys immediate btw

>>714511706
Faglus pays vtubers to stream their garbage and none of them play it afterwards. They did the same with metaflop.

>>714508664 (OP)
Escatologic idr

>>714523428
that not-uma's right eye looks sus
look at it upside-down

>>714508664 (OP)
>P5X
It's just bootleg P5 but worse.
>Uma
It's unique and surprisingly fun for a gacha in terms of gameplay.

>>714555846
>It's unique
There's nothing unique about management sims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udm6Q8vqQj0

>>714508664 (OP)
Those are not bad numbers for both, this is just weak bait OP

>>714508664 (OP)
Docile remer

I started both umamusume and blue archive yesterday but I think I like blue archive better. in uma I don’t like that I have to split pulls between the horse girls (what I actually want to roll on) and the support cards (what I need to make the game playable).

>>714557787
Split pulls are better you fag.

>>714554215
They're not getting paid. They start playing it because it's a meme game but then they keep playing it because they're hooked

>>714559824
Except they don't keep playing it, corpos pay them for a few streams then they bail. These normalfags hate weeb games like uma

Uma has worse ratings than Blue Archive, Arknights, Nikke and GFL2

>>714557787
It's so weird to me that gachatards evaluate games based on pulls instead of gameplay, no wonder most of them suck

>>714559995
Some of them, sure. Others have come back, like northernlion

>>714559996
It's turd worlders seething about the geoblock

>>714508850
OP btfo

>>714559996
>Uma has worse ratings than Blue Archive
????

>>714562250
mogged by Temu

>>714563027
oh no no no
umasisters...

really? app store ratings?

>>714513056
>>714513223
The Steam version of BA is the version everyone on global has already been playing since BA global already existed, this is just a port. Uma Musame on Steam is the first time it's come out globally so no shit more people are jumping to play on it. Can you kikes even pretend to be honest about this shit?

>>714519878
If you want a testiment of how popular BA is, wait until a new banner drops.

>>714508664 (OP)
i stopped playing P5X for a few reasons. shockingly, i would have probably liked if the story felt like more of a rehash of the base game, which it does in some ways. that being said, the story and general premise seems so awful and uneventful. correct me if i'm wrong, but i really don't like the idea of a gacha game in which the waifus you obtain via gacha, which act as your party members i guess, cannot be interacted with socially. the confidants are people who actually have dialog, but as far as i could tell, the gacha characters don't have anything to say outside of battle. and the base game is literally just P5-lite combat. i played dozens of hours in mementos, why would i want a whole game based off that?

Ok but which horse is capable of stopping the subway slammer?

>>714509178
BAsuna spammers lost, go back to /trash/ hell

>>714552252
P5X is made by japan though