Thread 714512594

>"you're the chosen one" trope
>reddit humor turned up to 11
>too many pop culture references
>vaults were actually le experiments
This game ruined fallout, not bethesda.

No, Bethesda ruined it even worse.

idk why people act like fallout 3 ruined the series and not 2, fallout 3 is basically just todds love letter to fallout 2

>>714512594 (OP)
It ruined fallout if you care about that gay shit, but it's a great (though unfinished) sequel from a gameplay and roleplaying perspective. Some great combat encounters and reno is the one of the best RPG cities
Bethesda consolized the series and turned it into a first person shooter, but it was being poorly managed anyways. Van Burnen would probably suck shit on the off chance it wouldn't be cancelled

>>714512594 (OP)
t.never played it an just watched a youtube essay
Actual problems are totally fucked up weapon and armor balance and a ton of cut quests that just go nowhere. That's it.

>>714512594 (OP)
It was honestly really jarring replaying fo1 and realizing that the whole vault conspiracy wasn't a thing in the original

>>714512594 (OP)
it's just a fishing pole

>>714512710
well that's just a fact of life

>>714512710
/thread

>>714512594 (OP)
even with all of that stuff and the overall theme park sandbox feel of the game I would still rather play that over bethesdaslop

>>714512594 (OP)
I remember someome saying that the chosen one talks like gex. It only makes me love the game more

>>714516324
"This is worse than gabagool night at tony soprano's house"

>>714512594 (OP)
I never understood these complaints. They seem overblown. I think Fallout 1 is better than 2, BTW. But I think it's better because the pacing, locations, characters, and factions/groups where all better than what we saw in 2.

>>714517446
The tone and atmosphere is ruined in 2. I know that sounds pretentious but for a game with this setting, those elements are very important. Especially since 1 did so well in that regard.

>>714512594 (OP)
its really no worse than 1 outside of special encounters
yeah the writing is dookie but thats a separate issue and really not that far removed from fo1

>>714512594 (OP)
Truth. New Vegas was a brief return to form though.

>>714517841
>its really no worse than 1
>yeah the writing is dookie
Contradiction

>>714513014
Video essays often regurgitate milquetoast opinions, i.e., "Fallout 2 is good or something despite the fact that I've never played it."

>>714518063
Or they pick the contrarian path and claim they are shit, like OP

>>714512594 (OP)
>”you're the chosen one" trope
They take the piss out of it, like your mom only says that because she’s high along with Hukunin 90% of the time.

>>714512594 (OP)
none of these are even close to the main issues with fallout 2, the problems are the linear quests with only one solution, way less talking heads, no reason to use any armor besides the cultists robes until you get the power armor mk 2 because somehow those robes are just better then everything else with no downsides. dungeons that are way to big for their own good. its all so tedious, and a perfect example of quantity over quality. the reddit humor is a minor annoyance compared to all of that. the setting is still pretty solid imo. the whole hunter gatherer tribes meets mad max thing is pretty cool and the retrofuturism is still kept in check, with weapons and tech from the 90s mixed in, unlike bethesda who just went completely off the rails and turned fallout into the jetsons. fallout 2 has its problems but its humor and setting isn't really a big enough problem to condemn the whole game, its all the other shit. and it sure doesn't even come close to comparing to the damage that bethesda has done to the series as a whole.

>>714512594 (OP)
the best video game of all time
not reading the thread, goodbye

>>714517974
>its really no worse than 1
meant to write the atmosphere, thats mb, its different for sure but its to show that the world is changing after 80-100ish years
the writing of factions like enclave is inconsistent and not great but the atmosphere is fine outside of the special encounters and no worse than fallout 1 at its "worst"

>>714512594 (OP)
>This game ruined fallout, not bethesda.
It didn't just ruin Fallout, it killed it (and the studio too). And it was intentional! Avellone was so pissed that Bethesda managed to recapture the spark of FO1 with FO3, he formed a pact with ancient demons to lay a curse on the franchise that would corrupt and twist all those who loved Fallout a little too much into debased and debauched parodies of themselves. You can see them in this thread right now...

>>714517446
>>714517646
I like 2 but even I agree that shit like talking deathclaws were ridiculous

>>714519156
Goodbye, don't come back.

>>714512594 (OP)
It’s the only fallout where the villains aren’t retarded. It also has the most interesting companions.

>>714512594 (OP)
Retard

>>714512594 (OP)
Being a contrarian isn't a substitute for personality.

Yeah yeah, pop culture references, Fallout 1 tardis yada yada.
Give me build ideads

>>714517894

Basically this.


I play FO2 more than FO1 because 2 is the better gameplay-wise. FO1 story is the best, but it's entirely too short and lacks a lot of things I like about 2.

I like to think of Fallout 2 as the Icewindale to Baldur's Gate.

>>714512594 (OP)
Nice opinion did reddit give it to you?

>>714521920
take one handed perk and make use of one handed guns, unarmed and throwing

>>714522064
Hmm, interesting idea. Were spears a two handed weapon because sadly it sounds like I'd be giving up my early weapon of choice.

>>714522031
Kys, fo2 is the most overhyped normie rpg of that era

>>714512594 (OP)
the more I play fallout the more I think it was a miracle that fo1 was *that* good, literally the only legit good game in the series

>>714522231
I think spears count as one handed but I'm not 100% sure, I generally don't use melee weapons as unarmed is just superior.

>>714522750
I agree, it's the only one that exists as far as I'm concerned.

>>714522750
Only because of its atmosphere. I'd actually argue its the worst game of the series. Half the skills are completely useless and even stats like charisma. Plus lack of content or said content being real basic quests. There's two builds, speech and agility.

>>714522231
>>714522864
only melee weapons that count as two-handed are the sledgehammer, super sledge and louisville slugger

>>714522689
FF7 is you retard. No one gave a shit about Fallout 2 back then or now. Even within PC RPGs of the era, it was vastly overshadowed by stuff like Baldur's Gate and Diablo 2.

>>714513354
Because otherwise the vaults seem just kinda retarded for having easily burned water chips and radiation leakage. At least the evil shadow gobernment gives some reason as to why the old war US would build so many of the damn things.

>>714524009
>the vaults seem just kinda retarded for having easily burned water chips and radiation leakage
i feel like you could make the excuse that the government made them too fast and shittily because the apocolypse was right around the corner
some or most of the vaults being experiments is better though for allowing more creativity with the writing and more interesting to explore

>>714513014
>weapon and armor balance
its an RPG nothing needs to be exactly accurate. If anything chem stacking and is the only real issue with FO2 because you can become californias most notorious supplier.

FO2 is great. The vault/corporate experiments shit gets flak because of how over done shit has been since then with things like LOST and Severance. It was pretty revolutionary and blew my mind. It took it's own direction. FO2 is about the death of the wasteland as civilization starts getting back on its feet. It looks a lot like FO, but it stands on its own feet. FO fans wanted a rehash. They claim 2 is a rehash, but the truth is, other than the reused assets its not.

>>714524787
There is a lot of utter nonsense in the stats.
For example the gauss pistol has similar stats to the rifle down to accuracy.
The pipe rifle you find in the first town is turned obsolete with the 10mm pistol that you get 10 minutes later.
The automatic rifles are all peashooters until the bozar
It makes no sense.

>>714525004
I feel like some F1fags don't like it because it's not a rehash, in lore anyway, using the same engine, enemies, and skills is another debate. All the issues they poke at like not being as desolate or having humor injected into it ruins the experience for them. But I always took it as a sign that the world was rebuilding and moving on. That "post-post-apocalyptic" buzzword that NVfags like to throw around is somewhat apt to describe the feel of F2 and NV. Plus its not like F2 doesn't have its own dark concepts to touch on like slavery, drugs, and rape. Would have been nice to have had a game squeezed in between F1 and F2 though that could have continued the more apocalyptic feel of F1. I don't think that will ever happen now, at least under Bethesda as Fallout is a brand now.

>>714525712

>game between 1 and 2

I agree, it could have used one. Perhaps in a different area so FO fans could keep their bleakness while telling another story.

think that Olympus mod felt something like that. I know it's not Fallout story at all, but it was very bleak. I didn't finish because of bugs. Anybody know how things are going with that mod? Any new updates?

>>714512746
>Yo radioactive immune mute, go in there
>No.jpeg

>>714525921
The website is dead. I archived a download of the latest version found a reddit post and suggest you do the same

>>714526025

Same version I have, it seems. Might give it another go. Will try to find out what stalled my playthrough. I recommend it to FO fans. It's a bleak game. Could use with a tad more handholding for me, though. Sometimes I was just completely clueless.

>>714512710
>ruined it even worse

>>714525921
I've been meaning to try the slav mods but something always stops me from really playing them. I think admittedly the small polish from things like voice acted NPCs and cutscenes damper the experience somewhat. That and getting them to run under wine is a pain in the ass.

>>714512594 (OP)
>"you're the chosen one" trope
You cock suckers that like to be random nobodies are fucking dullards. You are one in real life so its absurd wanting to be one in your escapism video game.

>>714525952
Fallout 3 will ALWAYS be dogshit to me because of this. I had fun playing it on launch and it still holds a place in my heart, but even young me was taken aback by how retarded the writing and world building was.

>>714526480
Voice acting is missed but some have them have really well done cutscenes and talking heads
Sonora is the most polished and best overall imo

>>714525921
Olympus was REALLY cool but a lot of the writing as very dumb. However it was carried by being really interesting as a package. I think there's an archived english patch somewhere

>>714526601
Fallout 3 is best when you're not doing quests lmao. It can be kinda cool to explore the DC tunnels, but I will stangle a baby if I have to do little lamplight again.

>>714526505
there's plenty of ways to write rags to riches escapism without relying on the chosen one trope

>>714512594 (OP)
No Fallout 2 is the best in the series.

>>714526760
And a talking head

>>714526969
Is the chosen one thing even that big of a deal. The whole point is that only Arroyo is even pushing it. 90% of Fallout 2 is whites shitting on you for being a tribal. The Enclave officer straight up mocks you for it. Its only really a somewhat proven thing after nuking the Oil Rig.

>>714526915
Agreed. I had extreme amounts of fun exploring and running into super duper mart and shit. Finally reaching DC and not dying instantly to a super mutant was real nice. No bitch yelling in my ear about purifying the water that only 4 bums in the entire game seem to care about.

>>714526505
There's nothing wrong with being the chosen one, but you're quite literally title "The Chosen One" and you get psychic dreams from the village shaman.
It's a bit too silly.
In Fallout 1 you're still the chosen one, but in the sense that you have been chosen (like others before you) to go out in the wastes and sort out the Vault problems. Fallout 2 feels like they thought it was funny to make a joke about the trope, and then build a game around that.

>>714526969
It's less of you're a "chosen one" by some prophecy and you're just the "one chosen" to go out with the specific mission to look for the GECK. Tribals revered the vault dweller and probably amount being chosen to leave and get fucked in the waste on an important mission as a holy duty

>>714527286
Oh yeah, I forgot about the vision part. I always amounted it to drugs or some shit but I forgot she'd literally send you a telepathic message if you take too long.

>>714513354
>>714524009
it was a idea floating around in tim gays head even at that time. Although tim gay did not imagine it as a lulz experiment like it has turned into, but a controlled environment for testing out all sorts of possible failure scenarios for a generation ship to be constructed and sent into another star system

>>714512594 (OP)
90% of the reddit humor is literally contained in random special encounters on the map. If you would implement the
>wild wasteland
trait from FNV into F2 you could tag most of it with it and the stench of reddit would disappear for the most part

>>714526760
>Sonora is the most polished and best overall imo
Made by 1 guy living in the steppes btw. Also it's clear that he learned a lot from Nevada.
I wonder what gem he will gift us next.

>>714527286
I can say that Fallout 1 is better settingn up the chosen thing in that the VD picked the shortest straw. Fallout 2 has some weird ancestry shit of you being the VDs seed and doing the temple of trials but I always just saw it as Arroyos mysticism. Hell the Chosen One may very well not be the VDs grandkid. It could all be bullshit from the elder.

>>714512594 (OP)
nah. game was great. also reddit didn't even exist back then. But keep screaming contrarian cunt

>>714526915
>>714527119
I've been playing Tale of Two Wastelands and finished the main quest, operation anchorage, broken steel and the pitt currently. I'm of the mind that you're right. I had fun doing fucking anything but what was plot relevant, I feel like each time I return to this game it gets a bit worse writing wise. I don't think of Fallout as a dungeon crawler but that's how I treated 3s main map and it was fun. Whenever I ended up having to interact with anyone though I realized that Bethesda has just never had the writing chops for Fallout.

>>714513014
>>714524787
its a single player game. balance can fuck itself on a rusty spike. weird and broken stuff is half the fun

and that essayist was talking out of its ass. Majority of quests are functionally completable even in the basic vanilla release version

>>714527406
>she
The shaman is a man, you're confusing him with the village elder (a woman).

>>714525952
>"we've captured and completely disarmed you, here's all your gear back unsupervised so you can shred through our base"
>blow yourself up
>"ok"

>>714525712
>. Would have been nice to have had a game squeezed in between F1 and F2 though that could have continued the more apocalyptic feel of F1
or a prequel like F3 removing one zero from its retarded timeline and taking place 20 years after the bombing. Dont even have to change much other then rename some factions like bos into the brohood of titanium etc

>>714527639
Yup. My biggest gripe was how the world never really felt like it was struggling from the main problem you were tasked to help fix: irradiated water. You only hear about it from the main NPCs and a few beggars. No one in any town gives a motherfuck. I'd expect everyone to be sickly and side quests to also focus on the effects of dirty water, but nope, everyone's pretty much living normally. I could never get immersed in the story because of it, so if you ignore the water situation, the game's great

>>714527852
Don't forget Eden letting you out

>>714527678
>balance can fuck itself on a rusty spike
Fuck off. The random encounters are all over the place balance wise. Stepping into a town too early will completely destroy all gear based progression.
It's just not polished enough. Understanding, as they shat it out very quickly because they wanted to capitalize on the previous game success, but it doesn't change the facts.

>>714527639
>Whenever I ended up having to interact with anyone though I realized that Bethesda has just never had the writing chops for Fallout.
I can say that at least the writing got... better (blander) with Fallout 4. Its not as full retard like Fallout 3s writting is.

>>714512710
people call 2 shit but the amount of new creative stuff they added compared to the slop that is 3, 76, 4 is insane like with the vaults being experiments, enclave, shi, and hubologists. Everything bethesda has done with the stories especially is rehashed poorly made garbage. Why the fuck are there super mutents in the east coast, why the fuck are there radscorpions its just lazy garbage

>>714527852
I had to re-watch the video just for an ancient laugh. It really was just
>put an end to this, blow up
>why
>you can't properly lead
>you're right... leave... while you still can...

>>714528252
I wouldn't say that, there are a lot of unhinged things going on in the Fallout 4 writing.
For example, what more "full retard": vampire clan or pre-war self-induced ghoul-ism?

>>714528379
Yeah, most of the stuff in Fallout 3 was just gouged from 1 and 2 anyway. Fuck they're even trying to reintroduce hubologists of all fucking things. Plus people that shit on 2 disregard that actual good worldbuilding like Vault City, Broken Hills(when you ignore the jokes), Modoc, NCR, New Reno, etc. New Reno is basically what Junktown would look like if Gizmo won.

>>714527639
>I had fun doing fucking anything but what was plot relevant
reminds me of my F4 experience. after heafty modding started with the alternate start mod and never even entered the starting vault. as what I have hear the main plot is so mind numbingly stupid that it actively leaves a shit taste in your mouth. Emil magic writing touch

then piled on Horizon that turns the entire gameplay into a scavenger-survivalist shooter. Ngl actually enjoyed this type of setting and from what very little I interacted with any of the scripted content, it always felt like F4 would have worked great as a scavenger-heaven centric plot
>glowing sea used to engulf the city region for decades
>only recently it receded
>now there is a gold rush of scavenger gangs and others flooding the city ruins for fresh loot
>explains why there is only one major town and why building outposts is a gameplay thing
>the hidden terminator colony is a remnant of pre war facility that built the robomen for the space program
>now trying to stay hidden while actively countering the various factions rummaging through the fresh ruins

but I also did this in VR that always leaves a better impression of a game then what you would see on a monitor

>>714528452
Since 4 they turned ghouls from reanimated zombies into burn victims who don't need food or water in the tv show they have superpowers and shit. Garbage fuck todd and emile

Fallout 2 has the best OST in the franchise.
https://youtu.be/WOjvrPLw9Ws

>>714527954
It's very obvious that fo3 world was designed as taking place shortly after the war, but then they couldn't shoehorn in all the stuff from the original game so they said it takes place two centuries later.

>>714528721
For me it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjM9pKeEGw
Fuck Wanamingos btw.

>>714528684
I remember watching the show with friends and all of us trying to figure out what the fuck that piss they drank was. How did ghouls go from shambling rad victims to actually drug addicted zombies that are insanely durable?

>>714528616
I think it's funny how New Reno is a copy of New Vegas after NV came out despite historically Vegas being originally the copy of Reno. Probably my favorite sequel retcon

>>714528854
I love Wanamingos they look funny, but damn they rape me hard.

>>714527954
The gayest part is that 76 takes place really close to the end of the war and it sure as shit doesn't feel like it.

>>714528791
I don't blame Chris, he was young and exited to work on something he liked. I blame Interplay for being greedy jews.

Unarmed is the greatest way to play in the franchise. Why carry ammo? It just weighs you down. Just punch some dude in the eyes.

>>714529032
Only with a modded game. Pushing people away sucks balls.

>>714528828
but they could have taken the stuff they wanted to force in it, slightly rename it and vast, vast majority of bethesdas usual players would be non the wiser. as nobody of them would ever play the originals. hell, some of the stupidity would actually be retconned to make sorta sense, like bottlecap currency

its kind of impressive actually how shallow, inconsistent and lazy todd and emil are while stumbling head first into success. while the likes of troika eat shit hard

>>714528972
Bethesda is really bizarre like that
>make game 2 gorillion years after the [fact]
>it feels like [fact] happened yesterday
>make game the next day after the [fact]
>what [fact]?

Alright, Where the source code. Wheres my fan made HD assets?

>>714528868
TV show is remanufactered pigfed

>xir comes from vault (3, 4, 76)
>xir needs to find family member (3,4)
>nukacola everywhere
>BOS
>Supermutants because Todd can't think of new shit
>Goofball le wacky 1950s so you can't take anything serious (4,76)
>Deathclaws, Molerats, Radscorpions creatures that should've been excusive to California because Todd can't think of anything new for worldbuilding

>>714529530
same as all things classic fallout or it inspired tend to end up. vaporware heaven

>>714529354
The only thing they would have to get rid of is the supermutants. Change radscorpions and other mutated animals from california to animals native to the east coast. You can have them behave the same mechanically, just change them into something else visually and name wise. The brotherhood could have just been the remenants of local us army troops that still have that equipment.

>>714529562
>Goofball le wacky 1950s so you can't take anything serious (4,76)
I'm so tired of this Borderlands shit. People are dying in gruesome ways but the feel good vintage music is playing and the vaulterino pippy boy is giving a thumbs up! And normalfags eat it up. Can't we ever just get a serious story again? Some lighthearted shit is fine, but I want more bleakness without going too far into depression or too far into comedic relief.

>>714529657
but it would not have that cool name. its obvious todd is obsess with bos because of its name and image of knights in shining armor wielding a minigun

my dibs is on
>brohoof of nuka cola

>>714512594 (OP)
I would like to add that the whole FEV thing is way overblown and overstated in fallout 2.

>>714529847
I feel like the Wasteland games do this somewhat. Not totally bleak like Metro but not lol random like Borderlands

>>714529847
>Can't we ever just get a serious story again?
From Fallout? No, unless you mean mods.
In which case, be happy because we already have lots of good ones and more (hopefully also good) to come.

>>714512594 (OP)
The Fallout 2 hate is one of the most forced things on /v/. In all things that matters it is just Fallout 1 but more of it.

>>714528854

>Gold slourch

My nigga. I remember the first time I found the crashed corvega in New Vegas and it played.

>>714530005
I enjoyed Wasteland 3 to an extent. Wish it was better overall but I'd pay for a Wasteland 4 to be a return to form.

>>714530045
I think it stems from the common criticism of fallout 3 being stupid shit like writing and "what do they eat" instead of the actual gameplay and game design being awful. Fucking storyfags

>>714529657
you could even keep muties in as is. FEV is a pre war mutagen after all. Yes, mariposa was its primary research site but it was already moved there from west tek labs (the glow) where it was synthesized originally

not much of a stretch that some smaller test samples got transported to the capital for reasons

>Vault Dweller, the council has decides that you must go outside and touch grass

How do you respond?

>>714530184
>Bloody mess trait
Gladly overseer :)

>>714512594 (OP)
true. i liked it more when they played it straight and the story was set in a world that simply put just went nutzo and where everyone nuked each other in the end. the first game had the better balance between seriousness and humor.

>>714529354
>some of the stupidity would actually be retconned to make sorta sense,
frankly it's weird because the capital wasteland using bottlecaps has a brain dead simple explanation in that the BoS uses them so the wastelanders decided to just to the same thing

but bethesda couldn't even put 2 and 2 together

>>714530184

>sets intelligence to 1
>respond retardedly

I roleplay that they send you on the quest to get rid of your dumb ass.

>>714529657
Also why do they use bottlecaps? The caps were clearly a local california thing since they were backed by the hub merchants. By the time fallout 2 takes place caps were obsolete anyway.

>>714529958
FEV is the setting magic card anyway. Its how the Master is able to make you shit your pants via telepathy.

>>714530401

Bethesday don't understand story. They only understand icons. Fallout used bottlecaps, so that's what a Fallout game must have. It's like the whole "special effect without a story" thing George Lucas talked about. The bottle caps are iconic, yes, but they have a story. Just like JET in Fallout 2 with Myron baby, Myron!

>>714530401
Brand recognition. That's literally it. Fallout 2 even commented on caps being worthless now, but Fallout 3 brought them back. NV had multiple currencies. 4 went back to caps. 76? Caps. And Fallout 5 will continue to use caps, probably distributed by the BoS to deter the Enclave since Bethesda just can't think up new shit for the series.

>>714530168
>not much of a stretch that some smaller test samples got transported to the capital for reasons
How do you explain ZAX knowing nothing about these supposed other test samples related to a top secret super-soldier program?
How do you explain how supermutants were created without decades of Master's experiments? I'd like to remind you that before he managed to get it right all the Master was capable of was, at best, centaurs.

>>714530401
something something emil cant write for shit so that means players skip his crap so emil gets butthurt and now claims everything has to be simple stupid since players always skip his deep and well thought out stories

>>714530184
>in vault 69

sorry I'm busy gotta repopulate the whole vault with my seed being the only male and all

>>714530705
Wasn't he also able to increase the intelligence of creatures via FEV? I recall reading something about him making smarter rats.

>>714530705
tbf Harold just calls them mutants, not necessarily super mutants.
and given what we know about harol, there's a chance most pre-master wasteland muties were more harold-esque

>>714530860

He wasn't refering to humanoid mutants. When Richard and Harold went on the expedition to stop "mutants", they meant mutated animals. Misconception that they were super-mutants without the super.

>>714530859
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Richard_Grey%27s_audio_diary
maybe in here?

>>714530184
i don't touch grass, so no thanks.

>>714530401
They put a sort-of explanation for this in 76. The robot shopkeepers at the Whitespring were programmed to accept bottle caps as money as part of a cross-promotion with Nuka Cola Corp, so the survivors who were holed up there after the war were using them. Eventually they all left and presumably they gradually spread the use of caps. A weak explanation I know

>>714531001
>Things are becoming more clear to me every day. This toxin has actually improved my mind. I feel that I can understand even the most complex philosophical questions simply and directly. It's as if all the layers of artifice have been stripped away. I wonder what would happen if I submerged an animal in the vats for a prolonged period of time? Would it gain awareness?

>The strangest thing is happening to the animals. They actually become smarter and more aware of their surroundings. I dipped a dog and a rat at the same time today, and they were fused together. It's not quite two creatures anymore, but it's more than one. Perhaps this is the future - a coming together of different creatures in some sort of harmonious unity. I no longer consume the different animals I create simply for sustenance - I have become the instrument through which unity will be achieved. I am so much more than a human being now.
I'd hate to think centaurs are actually more intelligent than your common dog.

>>714531026
I like the explanation for the Divide Commissaries accepting caps more

>>714530860
>tbf Harold just calls them mutants, not necessarily super mutants.
Like the other anon said, this is before the Master.
Even assuming you could have massive vats of FEV from those samples that somehow got teleported to other side of the country for ??? reasons, all you would get is probably some fucked up wildlife. Which is already the case in the east coast for some reason (Emil's magical radiations? idk) unrelated to the FEV.

>>714530705
the logs of pre war mariposa do mention super soldier program testing and maxson crew being very irritated with the scientist when they saw what they had done to the test subject prisoners. down to executing them unceremoniously and abandoning the well fortified site for the dangerous post war wasteland

making mutants aint exactly rocket science. They literally just throw bodies into the goo with a crane and then pull them out before they OD. if they do OD, like master did by floating in it for days or weeks on end, they turn into the biomass he is

super mutants aint nothing new, war time experimenters already ran into them by overdosing prisoners to see what happens. master just reinvented the wheel or built upon earlier remnants of the work

as for zax the AI is very simple. for one it only answers what it is asked about and it does not know what happened to the shipments once it left its domain other than what was stated to it

>>714531389
Still a stretch for them to be on the east coast in such numbers

>>714531389
Sounds like a lot of cope. And headcanon to fit in the holes.

You could probably pretty easily separate Fallout 2's story into two games.
One focusing on the Tribal -> Enclave storyline
One focusing on the rebuilding of California and the Wasteland Politics of NCR-Vault City-Reno and the survivors of The Unity.

I'm of the opinion that the Enclave really could have used an extra game of buildup before actually appearing, especially now when they've been permanently slotted into the greater antagonist role.

>>714532154
I think they were supposed to be somewhat. The Enclave are just that, a slice of the old war US government isolated from the mainland of the US, but the brotherhood of steel are also arguably a continuation of the old war US, as well as the ideas behind the NCR. From what I gather the Enclave was just the first step into being the big reveal for whatever the space laser thing and Presper was going to be in Van Buren. But then they got way overblown into being an entire faction rather than a slice of remnants of one.

I don't think Fallout 3s DLCs are all that good desu. I know people praise The Pitt as the best one and that may be true but it is almost as linear as Operation Anchorge and the issues in that area aren't that interesting. Zeta itself feels like a random encounter that blew up into a dlc and Point Lookouts enemy design is horrendous, but it at least has a neat map to explore.

>>714532154
The Enclave should've been everywhere and a plan more interesting than "kill muties with fart clouds I guess".
I like the Enclave-New Reno plot, extend that to every settlement and you have the shadow government of the past acting like the shadow government again. The NCR-Vault City conspiracy could be part of this wasteland-wide plot.

>>714532442
Desu I wouldn't take the maps too seriously. They don't fully geographically align with California and Nevada. Some of its even a missed opporitunity. I'm surprised Fallout 2 didn't do anything with Sacramento.

>>714530401
I don't like any logical in-universe explanation Bethesda or fans offer on this or other similar repeated elements because the real world explanation is lack of creativity and the in-universe explanation is just a justification.

>>714527286
>>714527406
Do recall that The Master in 1 is psychic and literally has a hallway of failed psychic experiments he attacks you with.

>>714532690
There is no way to make it convincing in universe, thats the problem. It's so obvious that bethesda wanted to make theme park rides based on the first and second game rather than an actual story.

>>714532681
whether the maps are accurate or not, Shady Sands and Vault 15 are very close the Cali-Nevada border.

Yeah it's funny how many california cities were name dropped in NV, but weren't in 1 or 2 like San Diego (dayglow) and Sacramento (Sac-Town). Carson City and Lake Tahoe are other locations that would have been nice to have in Fo2.

>>714533092
At least the Masters telepahty was limited to the cathedral. It is weird how the shaman can do VoiP calls via dreams.

>>714533092
So what?
I like Fallout (1) psychic shit.
I dislike shaman dreams bullshit and retarded tribals from 2.
My issue isn't with psychic elements as part of Fallout, just the way they are portrayed. For example I find Fallout 4 implementation irredeemable.

>>714533157
For what it's worth, fo1 gave me a fascination with bakersfield, a town i never knew existed.

>>714533210
maybe it's a give-and-take. The Master's psychic powers can cripple you but are shot-range. Hakunin has greater range, but all he can do is jumpscare you in your sleep.

Why does the chosen one trope make normalfags so angry?

>>714533328
Tribals never really bothered me. Its like a stone below what Shady Sands was.
>>714533420
Good point, Master was actually able to physically hurt the vault dweller with thought alone and could even make prisoners explode. Hakunin could only send jpegs your way.

Bethesda got really weird with the magic shit desu, I've seen what they've done with stuff like 76 and a bit of what they've done with 4.

>>714533494
it doesn't. normalfags love chosen one plots, which is why it's persistent throughout history.
Nerds don't like the chosen one plot because it's a cheeky joke on generic rpg plots. You're the chosen one, but you were chosen by backwards tribals nobody likes.

>>714533635
You can take Bethesda out of Eldar Scrolls but you can't take the Elder Scrolls out of Bethesda.

I absolutely love 1 and 2, and am glad both exist.
t. idort

>>714533558
>Tribals never really bothered me.
Did they build the Temple of Trials?
Are they behind the giant heads?
How come they regressed technologically despite being extremely close to other settlements and directly descended from the mythical Vault Dweller?
>Its like a stone below what Shady Sands was.
Yeah, too bad Shady Sands has become NCR in the meantime.

Again, it's a problem of implementation. I like Zion tribals. Arroyo ones, not so much.

>>714533924
the difference between 2 and the rest of the series is that you could mod the dogshit tribal temple and the pop culture references (the dialog choices) out of the game and you'd lose nothing

you can take stuff out of FO2 and it will still make sense and it will be good, you can't say the same about anything after 3 barring NV, no matter how much you mod 4 for example, there will always be a bad game underneath

>>714533924
Arroyo always striked me as pretty isolated. They had a whole canyon to themselves. Their closest civilized neighbor was Klamath which isn't much. including the most flimsy bridge and I can see why tech wasn't distributed much. I can agree about the temple though, you can tell it was a last minute interplay demand as it just doesn't make sense.

>>714533924
I don't believe they built the temple, just looking at it I'm under the impression it's far older than the tribe is. They probably made the giant head in their area based off the one that's on the front of their temple though, I could buy that.

the temple looks pretty dope, though.

>>714534495
I wonder what the fuck it originally was if its an old world building. Museum maybe?

>>714534445
>>714534538
the the FO Bible copes by saying the Temple of Trials was a pre-war museum or church.
Technically feasible, but we all know the real world explanation.

>>714534609
The pre war architecture is weird in general, with these giant heads everywhere on buildings, even in the big cities.

>>714534609
Could have been cool if F2 devs actually had time to lean into that idea. Like maybe theres some old text scattered around that hints at the oldest history of mankind itself, could even explain where Arroyo gets some of its culture from.

one day AI will be advanced enough to the point where I can just ask it to create a FO2 version of New Vegas

>>714534609
i think it's bad writing, and FO2 has that in spades but I still like the game
is not like it breaks the whole game, it's also not the narrative climax unlike "no, you're bad and you should kys"

>>714534239
I sort of agree, but only because my love for Vault City makes me blind to most other issues.

>>714534770
It is bad writing but I think anons are being more lenient on it since its such an obvious publisher demand from interplay to implement a tutorial. It's not like talking deathclaws where the concept just feels off. Fallout 1 went out of its way to axe talking racoons.

>>714534770
>one day AI will be advanced enough to the point where I can just ask it to create a FO2 version of New Vegas
Why not do it yourself? The tools are out there and it's relatively easy and quick to make content for the Fallout 2 engine.

>>714512594 (OP)
It didn't ruin Fallout, it just wasn't as good as the original

>>714534759
I could just buy it as the remains of some Jonestown-esque hippie cult.
It doesn't need much of a greater explanation, just some pre-war doomsday cult building a church based on cheesy hollywood movies.

>>714534798
I do like that no one has ever brought up Lynette being a strong black womyn who needs no man (although she gets married I think?)

not that I believe it but I find it funny that we had an example of that in a game made in the 90s

>>714512594 (OP)
I liked playing Fallout 1 and finished that game, but could never really get into Fallout 2. I think the furthest I ever got was Reno, but any time I try and pick it back up I always get bored and stop playing by the time I get to the corner of the map with Vault City, Broken Hills, and whatever the ghoul town with the reactor was called.

>t. started the series with 3

>>714535008
Lynette is black specifically to contrast her racism and pro-slavery mentality.
Woman though? my conspiracy theory is that they brought back Cree Summer to voice Tandi again, but decided against it so they made Vault City's leader a woman

>>714534913
It's easy to be lenient because you can mostly skip it. Also it's at the very beginning of the game so you can forget about it one hour in.
In the same way you can mostly skip (sadly not enough) any real interaction in San Francisco. SF is at the very end of the game so easy to pretend it wasn't there either and only remember the Tanker part.

>>714535146
The thing with Fallout 2 is to try to not concern yourself with the storyline as hard. It's more of a sandbox style of RPG over Fallout 1s narrative. I'd suggest dicking around with a New Reno family to really see what Fallout 2 is about.

>>714534925
i'd love to but I'm suck ass at art

>>714534913
>talking deathclaws
no joke, but one of the things I liked was that they were basically a better version of humans that had the potential to spread and the only thing that would keep them from taking over is that they had a moral compass

it was an interesting question, at least to me

Sonora was the game that I was asking for
I played that recently and I'm going through a second playthrough rn I hope new California is just as good

>>714535008
>although she gets married I think?)
Yeah, that one NCR council member who helps you to expose the plot against Vault City.
I like Lynette, she's a well made character.

>>714535336
I feel like 90% of the issues with talking deathclaws would be solved if they just involved a third party element like human dna or cybernetics.

>>714535496
The actual problem lies with what plagues 90% of the Fallout 2 content: some dev liked the idea so it was made.
Little to no supervision means that anything goes, all the holes are patched in later if someones remembers to.

>>714535496
i mean, they are essentially the mutants from 1 except they can breed
enclave experiments or FEV or FEV through experiments, I don't know

just found them interesting in that regard, imagine seeing a better species of humans who can easily kick your ass but they want to be friends instead

>>714535690
Fallout 2 was really plagued by being shoved out in a year after the original. From what I understand thats why its so loaded down with jokes because what would be sprinkled throughout a game like F1 becomes each location in F2. And yeah each location dev was just free to do whatever as they had to get the game out in a year and have it eclipse Fallout 1 in content. Honestly it's amazing that Fallout 2 is as cohesive as it is and most of the locations being good.

>>714535341
Tbh I don't thing there's anything close to Sonora in quality.
3D fags wish they had mods as good.

>>714535940
Yeah, I personally don't have an issue with the deathclaws, I guess I'm just trying to understand why others do and I do think its from some human bias with Fallouts worldbuilding. Having a seperate intelligent species removes the ethical questions that Fallout 1 would raise from the super mutants and FEV. I think its also for that reason that the burrows were cut content. But if you can get past the human bias of it the talking deathclaws to ask some interesting questions about how humans would handle another intelligent species.

>>714535940
>i mean, they are essentially the mutants from 1 except they can breed
Except they are a special monster from fallout 1 (which was used very sparingly) turned into something it never was. I like the idea, but it was clearly just an excuse to make yet an other talking critter quest with a cooler recycled sprite.

https://youtu.be/3jxn1sqAQ-c
Soul

>>714512594 (OP)
>trope
>reddit
>le
I wish I could bash your weaselly little zoomer skull in.

This board really becomes completely unusable past a certain age. Just obvious literal children trying extremely hard to parrot the same shitty memes over and over again in a desperate attempt to fit in. At least other boards have some shitposty memes that can be funny. But this shithole is just embarrassing.

>>714536557
>talking critter quest with a cooler recycled sprite.
holy shit I forgot about the talking molerat you give cheesy poofs to

>>714536731
some people just live to rile up others

>>714536731
Was really praying the site dies forever with the hack. Hope next one finishes the job

>>714536238
>interesting questions about how humans would handle another intelligent species.
exactly the same ways as how horrigan handled them.
If the underlying theme of Fallout is that man wages war, then the intelligent deathclaws would inevitably become victim to this truth

>>714536557
The real excuse has to be Goris. A robed albino deathclaw companion just sounds too cool to let logic get in the way.

>>714536821
...that's depressing. Rip to my deathclaw bros.

I think the sheer variety of things you can run into in F2 is what makes it so good. I still think the shotgun wedding is one of the funniest things in a video game.

>>714512594 (OP)
nah
kys faggot

>>714536910
He's cool comp-
>10 thousands years robe animation
Nevermind. Cool concept tho. Makes for talking about the game cool, not so much playing.

>>714537056
>dad catches you fucking daughter
>dad forced you to get married to said daugher
you yourself are also a daughter
Fallout 2 was wild.

>>714537326
God bless the RP mod. We can now speed that shit up. Weirdly though I noticed that F2 combat does feel slower with some critters like Geckos. I think their smooth 30FPS animations must have fucked the engine that was designed for 15FPS animations.

>>714537352
>you can take out the vicepresident of the NCR by strapping a bomb to his child and detonating it as he goes to hug him
that shit would have 150 articles if it was done today

>>714512594 (OP)
>>vaults were actually le experiments
Fallout as a franchise is literally a rip-off of A Boy and His Dog, which had this as the main plot basically.

>>714537567
Ah, bombing children a classic Den pasttime.

The fact that once upon a time before irony had rotted everyone's brains you could just see a joke and be mildly amused by it instead of getting a triggered asthma attack by it seems to have been forgotten by many people.

>>714537567
>strip naked
>keep 1 primed explosive in your pockets
>little thieving bastard gets what he deserves
Yep, it's Fallout time!

>>714537352
Don't forget that you can whore out Miria too. Make her a fluffer at the golden globes or if you don't have enough caps you can force her to fuck gecko traders for free skins.

>>714537671
>tales from the 4chan dweller

>>714512594 (OP)
>"you're the chosen one" trope
There is literally nothing wrong with the chosen one trope.

>>714528854
>that atmosphere

>>714538165
i really liked crawling through windows and toppled buildings
very claustrophobic

Has any anons done an evil run? I feel like the idea is fun but I'm too much of a pussy to go through with it.

>>714538249
Lonesome Road felt like true post post apocalypse unlike bethesda's slop. 200 years had finally progressed and towns and civilization were a thing in this area only for it go back in time due to it being nuked again.

>>714538165
the divide's location makes no sense. why is there a city in close proximity to death valley?

>>714512594 (OP)
you can whore your way through the wasteland. that alone makes it the best in the franchise.
F2>>>F1>>>F4>>>Tactics>>>76>>>NV>>>3
yes, 3D Fallout started with 4, 3/NV are clunky pieces of shit
also "punishing your players for thinking with their dicks", like 3 and NV do, isnt something I like in my vidya

>>714529032
>see male enemy
>equip sniper rifle
>see female
>equip fists

>>714538754
>the divide's location makes no sense. why is there a city in close proximity to death valley?
look at phoenix that place is already a hellscape made in the middle of a desert

>>714539730
https://youtu.be/4PYt0SDnrBE

>>714539597
Fully agree with the ranking
also 2 punishes you for sleeping with the mob boss's wife but you can leverage it too

>>714512594 (OP)
If you like fo2, you're brown.

>>714540974
see
>>714526557

>>714519156
>>714521763
>>714521871
>>714522031
>>714527012
>>714530045
!!!!!BROWNOID ALERT!!!!!!

>16
>female
>porn star
amazing game

>>714542590
realistic for the post apocalypse happens all the time with thirdy countries sadly

>>714512594 (OP)
>Another thread about Fallout 2 from an OP who didn't play it

>>714543223
OP is actually a fan and knows that shitting on a game is the only way to get a thread going here

>>714543301
I hate that this tactic legit works. Whenever I want a mecha thread, the east vs west bait has to come out.

>>714542891
>sadly
OF whores in my shithole earn a GT-R per month
"sadly" my ass
>>714543398
>a mecha thread
*AC6 thread. it's that or some /co/ crossboarder asking for a G-Wing game 30 years after the anime ended

>>714538706
I'm in the middle of one but its kinda annoying cause youre forced to act nice sometimes in order to get a lot of these quests. It's doable but with the slaver tat youre locked out of a lot of shit. Acting like an asshole is funny though but prepare to piss off everyone you come across.

Biggest problem with F2 is that too many of the scenario designers made some "let's all get along" third option so aside from the slavers like 60-70% of human settlements just don't have any real combat potential aside from squashing the local wildlife. Luckily the New Reno dev picked up the slack

>>714536731
Yeah same, you can always pinpoint who actually wants to discuss shit and who is here only because of those "epic 4chan thread #69" videos on youtube

>>714544181
How much does one have to be a combat build for it to work? besides my moral reservations that was the other aspect that put me off it.

>>714544475
It's pretty much necessary.
more than half the companions wont join you if youre a slaver/childkiller/negative rep and you end up pissing off entire towns plus whatever evil options you do unlock usually result in more combat.

>>714538050
irony poisoned brownoid detected

>>714543842
its sad because it's degrading and disgusting and I hate porn in general

Fallout died as soon as the developers didn't realize that inputting stats at the beginning of a game not knowing what they mean is a surefire way of making people not enjoy playing their character because they don't know what did they fuck up on

>>714546423
Thats why the old titles had pre-made characters for those that didn't feel like bothering to understand character creation.

>>714546423
There was more of an expectation to read the manual at the time

>>714547134
Did anyone in the history of humanity ever beat it using one of those characters?