Thread 714516261

It's amazing how Super Sonic was initially a Super Saiyan rip-off, but became more thematically important and one of the strongest forms in all of fiction.

You don't like it actually. You want power levels and lore and space aliens and the moon. You're welcome! #knowingmeknowingyou

Important to Sonic fans maybe
Nobody else thinks about Super Sonic

>>714516261 (OP)
>thematically important
Dude get a grip

>>714517079
Everyone thinks about Super Sonic. When SA1 came out all any one talked about for weeks was the Super Sonic vs Perfected Chaos fight.

>>714516261 (OP)
The Super Sonic moment in SA1 has always been really confusing to me.
The game is very overtly about environmentalism and how civilization abusing natural resources leads to disaster, but this isn't the basis of the game's finale at all.
Instead it turns into some weird positive energy vs negative energy spiel, and Sonic gets a power up cause everyone wants him to beat the big monster that just destroyed the city... and then he beats it...
What was learned here exactly? We should be more positive? What?

>>714516261 (OP)
Why does the strongest form in all fiction constantly produce the most annoying bossfights?

>>714518645
>The game is very overtly about environmentalism
No it's not.

sonic adventure is OBVIOUSLY a trans analogy

but y'all ain't ready for that conversation *sip*

>>714517898
When you see Super Saiyan, you know he's going to transform into 5 other forms. You see Super Sonic, and you know the climax is here. Wake up.

>>714519036
>the game about a giant tidal wave destroying a city as a manifestation of abuse of natural resources is not about environmentalism
Dude it's fucking Sonic the Hedgehog, environmentalism is baked into the DNA of the series.

>>714519548
>game about a giant tidal wave destroying a city as a manifestation of abuse of natural resources
No it's not.

>>714519647
Proof?

>>714519396
>You see Super Sonic, and you know the climax is here
*laughs fatly*

>>714519396
What the fuck does that have to do with thematic importance?
By that logic Eggman having a different music track during a boss fight is thematically important because it means it's the final boss.

>>714516261 (OP)
it helps that Sega have resisted the urge to flanderize the fuck out of it like Toei and Shueisha have done to Super Saiyan.

>>714519647
Ok so what IS the game about then?
What grand thematic throughline is Super Sonic paying off in Sonic Adventure 1?

>>714518645
>The game is very overtly about environmentalism and how civilization abusing natural resources leads to disaster
you are retarded, you try to force your false perspective on something then you're confused when it doesn't fit your view

>>714519036
>>714518645
Sonic was created in a time when the largests cartoon producers decided the most important issue to show children was enviromental conservation.
As the Sonic adventure games continued, the overal media pivoted away from protecting the rainforest to the presence of Global military actions and their consequences, and we saw the introduction of GUN and Shadow.

>Isn't it amazing how [thing I like] is actually the smartest maturest most amazingest and powerful thing ever and if you like anything else you're fucking stupid please don't laugh at me

Why is modern internet like this

>>714520000
Ok so what's the game about?
Cause either it's about what I said or it's about nothing.

>>714518645
>The game is very overtly about environmentalism and how civilization abusing natural resources leads to disaster
No, it was obviously a pretty standard cautionary tale about abusing power for selfish gains. And maybe a little "war bad." Which is fine.

That said, SA1 wasn't really written by "writers." So it's not surprising that there isn't exactly a big moral to take away, other than "don't be a selfish shithead, kids", I guess.
>What was learned here exactly? We should be more positive? What?
I think they were going for "let go of anger and move on from the past" type of thing, but again, SA1 wasn't written by writers, so the whole message is muddled and nothing ties together in a neat little bow at the end like it might with a real writer at the helm. It's just a series of events and set pieces that the developers thought would be cool. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Many such cases in the Sonic series. Fans overthink the hell out of this.

The "let go of the past" theme was further explored in SA2, (and ran straight into the ground with ShadowTH and Shadow Gens) but that might actually be a coincidence since Maekawa didn't seem to give much of a shit about anything that came before SA2. It's also just a really common trope.

>>714519548
That other anon is being a faggot, but I have to agree that the whole environmentalism aspect of Sonic wasn't really a major story element beyond saving animals from robots after the Classic era. Modern Sonic is just more about stopping "le Egghead" and calling it a day.

>>714519769
>By that logic Eggman having a different music track during a boss fight is thematically important because it means it's the final boss.
Well, yeah.

>>714520182
its about a blue hedgehog and his friends taking down an evil fat genius and his water god creature

>>714520301
no, actually it's very poignant commentary on colonialism. No stop saying it's good it's bad, it's BAD

>>714520197
You are literally in a thread where the OP is a picture of Super Sonic in Sonic Adventure and the attached text is talking about the thematic importance of his presence.
So again, I ask you, what thematic importance?

>>714516261 (OP)
Super Sonic is cool but I wish he’d get a new form/powerup even if it’s just exclusive to the game it appears in.
>Werehog
>Wisp form
Etc, and etc

>>714520448
It's this: *kicks you in the ass, hard* See how seriously I'm taking you? *kicks you again*

>>714519916
Super Sonic
Hyper Sonic
Darkspine Sonic
Excalibur Sonic
Cyber Super Sonic or whatever the fuck they call it

Sonic also has a bunch of fucking forms, it's just Sonicfags are, ironically enough, not as autistic about super forms as DBZfags are

>>714520465
Sonic and the Secret Rings, if you want to like something before youtube dictates to retards what they should like.

>>714520518
Oh my god I'm so owned.
You owned me so hard.
I can't even right now.

>Dark Sonic
>Hyper Sonic
Their return, or at least a reference, would be the best piece of dialogue in Sonic history.

>>714520448
did you play sa1? super sonic was pretty important bro

>>714520182
It's about beating Mario and Nintendo.

>>714520227
It's a nice sentiment but it doesn't really come together for me.
Chaos wakes up to Eggman once again taking advantage of him just like the Echidna did, so he has no real reason to believe the world's changed.
It might have worked better if the finale featured some grand act of sleflessness that triggered Sonic's Super transformation and actually signaled that no, Chaos is wrong for wanting to destroy the world because selfless people do live in it, but that's not really what happens at all.
SA2 kind of has the same issue but at least there Shadow's journey of self-identity salvages it a bit more.

>>714519396
I hate autistic people so much

>>714520712
Super Sonic is important to the plot of SA1 but it's not tied to its themes in any way.

>>714520631
>>714521013
Those forms aren't standardized. You don't play a Sonic game and think
>Wow, Sonic should turn Darkspine right now and win
Because he can't. Goku, however, can go
>Kaio-Ken
>Super Saiyan
>Super Saiyan Grade 2
>Super Saiyan Grade 3
>Super Saiyan Full Power
>Super Saiyan 2
>Super Saiyan 3
>Super Saiyan God
>Super Saiyan Blue
>Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-Ken
>Ultra Instinct -Sign-
>Mastered Ultra Instinct
>True Ultra Instinct
At any point of his fight. It's not about the number of forms, it's about the IMPORTANCE of said form. Nobody gives a shit if he turns Super Saiyan 2 if he can go Blue anytime he pleases.

>>714520448
>OP is a picture of Super Sonic in Sonic Adventure
If the picture was of Super Sonic in Sonic Advance 2 would that change your attitude?

>>714516261 (OP)
I like the metallic gold render. Post Unleashed Sonic would never.

>>714521291
you got it, well said.

>>714516261 (OP)
>Only male hedgehogs get golden super forms
For what reason?

>>714518645
>>714520182
The Chaos emeralds are said throughout the series to "turn thoughts into power".
The thematic final battle is Chaos' century-long hatred of the Echidnas basically causing it to want revenge on everything vs Sonic hopepilling Chaos into letting go of his anger. Look at the lyrics to "Open Your Heart".

>>714522185
Not really cause that game doesn't even have a story.
I think Sonic Adventure 2 might be the single time that Super Sonic has actually symbolized thematic coalescence, basically every other time it's just a tool to beat a big bad.

>>714523342
But nothing about the story up to that point is hopepilled at all and we don't even know how Super Sonic does that shit in the first place, from the outside looking in it just looks like he forces him into submission despite explicitly saying that's not what he'll do.

Why did Shadow the Hedgehog help G.U.N with destabilizing the Middle East? Isn’t that going against Maria’s wishes?

>>714521084
the theme was saving station square and super sonic was pretty important in that, I'm starting to think you didn't play sa1

>>714524389
...
i'm starting to think you don't know what a theme is

>>714523375
>Not really cause that game doesn't even have a story.
All sunic games have a story

>>714523702
>But nothing about the story up to that point is hopepilled at all
That's because Sonic Adventure is like 6 different stories, with Chaos' plotline interspread between all of them. Characters tend to have individual themes to their stories (Amy and Tails about becoming stronger, Knuckles' being the sins of his people coming back to haunt him, Gamma effectively having a change of heart and freeing the animals inside of his fellow robots, Big... I dunno), so there's no clean theme to game outside of what >>714520227 said: By that point, Chaos was just blindly taking his anger out on the world at large despite those who wronged him being long dead and despite the chao surviving into the present (I think they're implied to be the same chao from so long ago reincarnated?).
Nothing about the story is hopepilled, but Chaos Emeralds are said to have the capacity of creating miracles (though I can't remember if they were specifically said to do that in Sonic Adventure). Super Sonic is basically a living miracle and the "positive energy" is moreso people cheering for Sonic to use the emeralds and save them. Sonic himself represents hope.

YEAH, DANGER HIDES WHEN THE HYPER BEE FLIES
AND THE NINJA STARS FLY TOO
MUSCLE IS VECTOR, THE KARMA COLLECTOR
HAVE SWORN TO FIGHT FOR YOU

>>714525165
BASED BASED BASED

>>714524502
so you never did play sa1, figures

I used to adjust the tint on my tv to play as green sonic.

>>714519396
and then you play frontier and all that is thrown out the window

>>714524676
In Advance 2's case it's literally just "Eggman is capturing animals again and he happened to capture Cream's mom which is why she's around now"

>>714517079
He said in ALL of Fiction, anon. That means stronger and better than any hero in all of history. I think that means more than just sonic fans, dumbass.

Super Sonic gave me autism

>>714529050
Not really. Sonic only had one form in Frontiers, Cyber Sonic only showed up for a cutscene and his form was only mentioned like 30 minutes before fighting the final boss.

>>714531202
he literally goes super at the drop of a hat in that game.

>>714533141
Yeah and? Each time you know it's serious. He doesn't fight the Wyvern, and you think to yourself
>Wow, doesn't he just turn Hyper and get rid of them
Because you, as a consumer, know he doesn't have easy access to that form and can't use it at will.

>>714530076
You had that at birth, Anon...

Amy's blambacious, beautiful, blubbery, boomy booty is the bane of the jannie and online mod moderator's existence. If you so much as slap on a Amy fanny into a mod, sega will assoulutely slap you with a firm and angry letter and do everything in their power to put their games on Steam. Amy's asstounding astronomically Atlas-shattering ass is too much for the mortal man to comprehend unless he has been gifted with autism from the vaccination Gods or from God's own oopsie daisy.

Amy's ass leaves a heart-shaped imprint on our very souls.

>>714518645
They wrote themselves into a corner. Chaos needs the emeralds to enter his final form, but sonic also needs the emeralds to go super.
So they had to come up with some stupid positive vs negative energy bullshit that never came up again. SA2 just has shadow and sonic next to each other when the emeralds go off, allowing both of them to use them.

>>714516261 (OP)
I don't think we should let people with autism on the internet

>>714539072
Then log off.

>>714517079
This
Sonic fans must really be autistic as fuck if they believe anyone else gives a fuck what color makes a cartoon rat outerversal and shit.

>>714534112
>When you see Super Saiyan, you know he's going to transform into 5 other forms. You see Super Sonic, and you know the climax is here. Wake up.
so the game just ends at the first boss?

>Sonic remembered an old legend he had heard about an island. A long time ago, when this island had still been a part of the continent, people of a great civilization lived there. This civilization had created a society of peace and abundance with the energy of the "Stone of Power". However, one day a sect of wise men attempting to take the energy of the "Stone of Power" for themselves accidentally let the energy run out of control. The civilization collapsed in an instant, and it disappeared from history altogether.
>t. Japanese manual for Sonic 3
Did Sonic Adventure have the first retcons in the series? Iirc the master emerald wasn't available to the Echidnas which is why they wanted to take it and of course they didn't "accidentally" let it get out of control, Chaos as the guardian of the master emerald attacked them.

>>714539830
Japanese Sonic and knuckles manual has shit about a dragon egg in it
I wouldn't take it so seriously

>>714539498
Being disingenuous doesn't help your case.

>>714539830
Even if its not perfect, I feel like SA1 (and 2) lead off from the 2D games just fine. It's better than Segas current stance, which is that 'modern' and 'classic' sonic are two different universes since they fucked up the canon so bad.

>>714539830
Legends get distorted over time and the only echidna left is a retarded schizo who's also unaware of the people living in the master emerald

>>714521291
>including Grade 3 when he never used it in any meaningful fashion
>including non-canon Toyotaco spic fanfic TUI
>not including either version of SS4
>not including KK multipliers he actually made use of, even though you include the SSg2 and 3 he only displayed to Gohan in the RoSaT as an example of what NOT to do
Fucking hate gringos.

Unironically how the fuck do you play Sonic?

>if I GO FAST I bump into enemies, traps and obstacles after ~3 seconds of running
>if I go slow the game feels like a Mario with much worse controls and doesn't feel like the right way to play
What the fuck am I doing wrong? How do people play this? Why is a game centered around going fast so full of obstacles that get you if you go fast?

>>714541303
Going fast is when you replay it. The first run is to learn how to play it.

>>714539830
Depends on if you consider the Chaos Emeralds to be the same across the classic games or if every island had its own set.

>>714516886
I mean isnt super sonic still stronger than all that gay shit

>>714518645
>very overtly about environmentalism
Nani?
>turns into some weird positive energy vs negative energy spiel
Thats just your standard jap writing

>>714541303
Sonic is a rhythm and memory game masquerading as a platformer

>>714520631
>Darkspine Sonic
>Excalibur Sonic
Both of these are one offs when Sonic is in a story book. They aren't recurring forms. That's what that Anon meant. He has a single recurring form, he'll maybe get a one off every so often that's never used again.

Sonic is super irrelevant in the grand scheme of video games and barely a tiny blip on the grand scheme of media

>>714541303
Roll, literally just press the down button

>>714541303
There are times you're supposed to go fast and times you're supposed to slow down to platform or maneuver around obstacles, especially on a first playthrough. If the game has you going down a slope it will usually be time to roll and go fast. When you see hazards you should slow down.
>>if I go slow the game feels like a Mario with much worse controls
I think you just have to get used to the controls. Also it's a platformer with momentum based movement, it shouldn't really be surprising if there's some similarity to Mario.
>>714541757 is also true, don't feel the need to go fast 100% of the time.

>>714542231
depends on the iteration, some or more platformer some or more rhythmic

>>714542330
>Sonic is super irrelevant in the grand scheme of video games
Sonic quite literally had one of the biggest impacts on the gaming industry as a whole. What are you on about?

>>714542330
So is my cock but that wont help you when i rape you

>>714541303
"Gotta go fast" is a misnomer that tricks people into thinking they need to hold forward. It wasn't until like sonic unleashed or something that it actually got incorporated into the games, and we've been dealing with the consequences ever since.

>>714542330
>Sonic is super irrelevant in the grand scheme of video games
His series is actually the most relevent and important in all of gaming.
>Every character in M rated AAA now has his trademark Homing Attack(albeit dumbed down since AAA fags are retards)
>The constant chatter and non-stop hand holding popularized in Sonic Heroes is now the status quo
>Automated segments with minimal input requirements(grind rails or spring sequences) were copied to give games a more cinematic appeal
The problem is that everyone copy something from a Sonic game don't copy the good or cool parts. They don't copy the character design philosophy, they don't create unique stand out music, the settings are all dry and generic(WHERE ARE THE CASINO LEVELS YOU WORTHLESS FUCKS) and the stories are so poorly written a story about a talking blue hedgehog that runs fast is more narratively consistent and fitting with the gameplay than their fractured pieces of shit that don't know whether they want to be a game or a movie.
>inb4 you just made this all up
FUCKING DOOMGUY HAS THE HOMING ATTACK NOW! WHY DOES DOOMGUY NEED A FUCKING HOMING ATTACK?

>>714542783
>FUCKING DOOMGUY HAS THE HOMING ATTACK NOW! WHY DOES DOOMGUY NEED A FUCKING HOMING ATTACK?
Dude what. What did I miss.

>>714542434
You really shouldn't describe your cock as a tiny blip

>>714542330
This simple animation had the 90's in a chokehold.

>>714542916
Doom The Dark Ages. Doom Guy has the homing attack

>>714541156
>gringos
Close enough, but Sonicfags desperate to one-up every franchise in the world (including the ones their little faggot rat takes inspiration from) are actually NIGGROS, just like Odapedos with Warm Piss, it's an easy mistake to make since both words are anagrams of each other.

>>714541156
>>714543948
Wow, that completely doesn't change the point made at all. Stay mad.

Could a side game on Christmas island work?

>>714544732
Anything could work if sonic team weren't bumbling fools

>>714544904
Sonic Team isn't retarded. They are just stuck with making games for retarded children and manchildren.

>>714547019
They used to make good games, while also making games for kids. So that excuse doesn't work.

>>714547019
That isn't a good excuse.

>>714516261 (OP)
bump

>>714539463
The amount of bluerat shit lately is fucked

>>714516261 (OP)
>whole city cheering him on when he transforms
VGH...

>>714547019
Holy fucking based

>>714521291
>Nobody gives a shit if he turns Super Saiyan 2
Says you.

>>714551578
People care but not out of love for SS2 specifically. More of a power scaling situation where people obsess over which specific form was used.

>>714551578
Nobody cares about Super Saiyan 2 when Super Saiyan 3 exists.

>>714543948
>random seethe at chad piece
mental illness.

>>714541156
The point being, if Goku is fighting some new villain and he's just using SS1, it feels cheap because we know he could just use any later form and instantly kill the enemy
Whereas most of those super forms for Sonic require some specific external conditions, with there being times that Sonic can't use Super and has to use something else (Darkspine, Excalibur)

>>714542330
>barely a tiny blip on the grand scheme of media
Sonic was considered more popular than Mickey Mouse by children in the 90s.
I wouldn't be shocked if the same applies now after the three movies.

>>714556070
Hard to say. On Google trends, Sonic the Hedgehog is above Mickey Mouse only occasionally, but then, most people probably aren’t searching for that instead of Sonic, Sonic game, Sonic movie, etc.

>>714516261 (OP)
He gets the seven chaos macguffins and becomes stronger than before. Is there really anything more to it than that?

Super Sonic is more final than saiyan

>>714542124
No, Super Sonic needed a lot of help to beat The End.

>>714553416
>>714552885
Both wrong, you don't know shit about DB fans if you think appreciation for a previous form disappears when a new one appears.

>>714558303
The issue is when Super Saiyan 2 is used nowadays.
If Goku uses SS2 against some new bad guy, what’s the point? Super Saiyan God is stronger and burns less ki. It lessens SS2 in a way that Sonic has been good about avoiding.

>>714558303
>you think appreciation for a previous form
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan is appreciated because of how cool it was. No other Super Saiyan 2 gets anywhere close. In stark contrast to base super saiyan which is a classic. Or even 3 for being the "strongest" form for so many years.

>>714558303
>>714558746
Super Saiyan 2 isn't looked upon fondly, Gohan after 16 is killed by Cell is, and that's for all the wrong reasons like losers self-insuring as Gohan or losers not paying attention to how dogshit the set up is to this transformation is.
Super Saiyan is way better and the best transformations aren't limited to one guy.

>>714556070
>I wouldn't be shocked if the same applies now after the three movies.
The best of those movies still managing to come behind a LA prequel nobody asked for?
Sonic's biggest impact was the wave of Radical Animal Mascots that popped up after him.

>>714525165
TEAM
CHA
OH
TIX

>>714541303
okay egoraptor

>>714521291
>>Super Saiyan Blue
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan*

>>714518645
The games have always been a kinda "Chaos vs Order" story, with Sonic representing good chaos (freedom and possibility) and Eggman representing bad order (restriction and tyranny). Chaos himself is naturally the negative force of chaos, wild and uncontrollable, even to himself, becoming trapped by his limitless power and unable to direct it to any goal beyond broad feelings.

Fighting Perfect Chaos is more about the end of Sonic's story rather than the overall plot, as it's a bunch of small character-driven stories woven together. Sonic's story is mostly a collection of events from the past games (Tails getting his plane shot down only to come back in the nick of time, a misunderstanding with Knuckles, rescuing Amy from an Eggman robot, etc), so the epilogue allows Sonic to do something more than just beat up Eggman and inspire others. He gets to directly confront Chaos with the full knowledge of his past now, and wants to find a way to move forward from it instead of simply sealing him away. Super Sonic is everyone's wish for a future beyond the ruins that Chaos has wrought, with Sonic being the light towards that future.

Chaos became enraged at past misdeeds and became trapped by those feelings, becoming stagnant and more destructive than the people who wronged him. Sonic witnessed the entire city he spent all game protecting still get destroyed, but he didn't give up despite that, always focused on the way forward, even for Chaos himself. Knuckles might be the one closest to Chaos lore-wise, but Sonic is his thematic opposition, so that's why they get the big confrontation by the end. Sonic inspires everyone he meets to live their lives to the fullest and open their hearts, being able to take in all the small stories he's helped influence and combat the embodiment of a closed-off, all-destroying monster. It's all just playing off of broad themes the series uses, rather than a specific theme towards Adventure 1 itself.

Fuck off Sparky.

>he's breached containment
Fantastic.

>>714525165
A CHALLENGE HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE EGGMAN

>>714519916
>Toei
those were all toriyama's designs before he died

So does Blaze wear pants or not

>>714563551
Yes. Most of the Sonic girls wear pants

>>714516261 (OP)
> one of the strongest forms in all of fiction.
Bros is OP retarded?????

>>714518056
Anon. You're not 7 anymore and nobody gives a shit about sonic lore. Try talking to anyone on the street and see how they react. I imagine you instinctively feel repulsed by the idea of doing this because you know they'll think you're weird as fuck for caring this much about sonic. Your friends cared about sonic when you were seven because your friends had 7 year old brains that are like an autistic person's, impressed by easy to read emotions and bright colours and loud noises.

I'm sorry, anon.

how powerful would super Rouge be anyway.

>>714519396
>When you see Super Saiyan, you know he's going to transform into 5 other forms.
That's what it became in Super, it used to mean something.

Just give me Super Amy breast expansion

>>714566650
God I lov Amy panchira.

>>714518056
>When SA1 came out all any one talked about for weeks was the Super Sonic vs Perfected Chaos fight.
No they didn't. When SA1 came out, people were lamenting over the death of actual Sonic from the Genesis era.

It's probably better to give characters unique super forms instead of giving them all the same one.

>>714523005
Because Sega. Remember when Tail had super flickies?

>>714568786
her hands are upside down in this drawing
if someone leans forward and points at their own ass then their index finger would be on the bottom of their hand, not the top

>>714519396
>

>>714559324
>Gohan after 16 is killed by Cell is
People underestimate something about this moment a lot: the simple fact 16 is the one and only character in the series to die and never come back makes it sneak up on you. Even if you don't care about Gohan it's a really powerful moment. Could have been Goku or Yajirobe instead of Gohan, would'nt matter, it's 16 dying that really sells it.

what theme he's just beating the big bad with a powerup. it's the most generic trope in recorded history. 3/10 ragebait.

>>714571198
And then you remember that Gohan hadn't met 16 until everyone met up at the Cell Games arena, he's not even an acquaintance of Gohan's, nor does 16 have anything to say to Gohan that'd deeply resonate with Gohan on a personal level.
Gohan only loses his shit when 16 dies because Toriyama was betting on the reader being endeared to 16.
Goku lost his shit on Namek because Frieza beat everything Goku tried without any training, shot Piccolo which threatened both sets of dragon balls, murdered his best friend and he was also about to murder his son.

>>714572757
That's all implicit in my point, when sayin it could have been anyone. It only would have made a modicum of sense if it was Krillin losing his shit over 16. All there is to that moment is the fact a literal souless machine's "life" was more worth preserving than Cell's.

>>714520448
This anon hit the nail on the head
>>714561872

No he didn't.

>>714519396
Super Sonic doesn't have to there. In Sonic Colors Wii, it was a completely optional.
I don't think he transformed in the classics, at least in CD since it didn't even had the Chaos Emeralds.

>>714574609
In CD and 1, Super Sonic didn't exist.
In 2, Super Sonic was optional (though he transforms into Super Sonic during the ending with all 7 Chaos Emeralds)
In 3&K, Super Sonic is used for Doomsday Zone/the true ending.

>>714574826
Wait, CD is a prequel?

>>714575073
No, but it's speculated to take place between 1 and 2 (which Sega ended up going with). Though, it's implied Sonic 1 wasn't Sonic and Robotnik's first encounter either, so eh.
I just put CD in front because that was just what I thought of first, probably because the previous comment mentioned it.

>>714543140
I remember my grandma saying something about it

>>714519958
SA1 is about the hubris of toying with power you can't control. Super Sonic brings the balance of power back to neutral in the end

If they do Sonic Frontier again, they should add a HP bar. Would not be the first time too.

>>714558303
>if you think appreciation for a previous form disappears when a new one appears.
That's literally the case. Just because you like SSJ2 Gohan vs Cell, doesn't change the truth

>>714547019
>Sonic Team isn't retarded. They are just stuck with making games for retarded children and manchildren.
Sonic Team is where the fuckwit devs who suck ass go to whenever they fuck up elsewhere. Like if a Yakuza dev had shit performance, he'd get sent to Sonic Team instead of getting fired.

>>714577196
It's wrong to tell lies to people, anon.

>>714577257
Japs like to move people around instead of firing them. Like I said, Sonic Team's the detention center for shitty devs.

>>714519916
My CANON heroes btw

>>714577402
So, you don't have anything specific to point to, just, 'Japanese people do this so this definitely happened'. You're a big, fat, ugly, unlikeable liar.

>>714524717
>Big
Saving his friend. C'mon anon you were doing fine up to this point.

>>714577549
>you don't have anything specific to point to, just, 'Japanese people do this so this definitely happened'
Learn some reading comprehension, bro.
>You're a big, fat, ugly, unlikeable liar.
Bro, grow up.

>>714577683
I think you should stop telling lies, online.

>>714577402
>>714577549
I've got no horse in this race but these punishment divisions actually exist. I saw it on Laughing Salesman, it's one of the most fucked up episodes. It's not unthinkable that Sega, primarily being a Japanese arcade company thought of Sonic as slop for gaijins, and working for it, dishonorable in some way. Nothing to do with quality or talent but consider how anal and prideful japs are.

>>714577884
Whatever, sperg.

>>714578021
this is called 'prejudice'.

>>714516886
This guy's shit at writing but the seething hatred people have for him is weird.

>>714516261 (OP)
It was good that they embraced super sonic, they didn't try to 1-up it all the time. But also DBZ hung up the coat for a whole generation before jews dragged it back out for DBSlop while Sonic is a franchise with consistent releases that is always putting out this particular static concept that Super Sonic is like a cornerstone of.

>>714577552
Good point. I had written off Big's story as simple compared to the others, but thinking about it, that's an unfair reason for overlooking it.

Remember, Sonic had a human GF in the concept phase.
Sonic FUCK human women.

>>714579350
Big's thematically linked as much as everybody else.

He's an innocent, an outsider, who has been hurt by a conflict that has nothing to do with him. His small, fragile friend is in trouble, but instead of lashing out Big just tries his best to do what he can. He's immediate, proactive, and quickly accepts the help of a stranger who tries to assist him. Compare with Chaos, who flies into a rage and ignores Tikal's pleading once he goes apeshit, becoming just like the aggressors he despises.

SA is very simple, but a ton of thought was put into every single character's storyline.

>>714517079
I think its a super gay dbz ripoff and everything 3d about sonic is shit and aids =)(

>>714520631
wearsonic

>>714541303
is it stupid about a game going fast though the LV has hidden shit so you gotta slow down and look

>sonic fans
You can't find a group of "humans" more pathetic than them.

>>714578415
Yeah, he's mid at best, but the way people foam at the mouth like he personally shot their dog is bizarre. It's Sonic we're talking about, not Faulkner. Dude's just trying to write shonen-tier cartoon drama about blue rats going super saiyan. Calm down.

>>714578415
>>714582531
Most of the modern seething is a combination of Ian actually writing for the games (when he used to be kept to the comics-sphere) and him not really getting the characters (he once said in a podcast that Silver was never rude, when Silver's first appearance was him trying to kill Sonic and his appearance has him steal rings that Tails was collecting).
And, as the internet does, it escalated to the point that he's either the savior of the franchise who can do no wrong or the devil incarnate out to destroy the franchise.

I take a balanced view, where I hope he slips in the shower and breaks his neck in a way that's unrelated to Sonic.

>>714583083
Yeah. He deserves a lot of criticism and some praise, but Sonic fans can only treat him as amazing or the worst thing ever.

>>714516261 (OP)
cringe

Sonic won.