Thread 714518204

>https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/
>https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/

The corporate lobby is already moving against Stop Killing Games.
They are afraid.

>>714518204 (OP)
>Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable.
it's not like private servers are moderated by their administrators and if they didn't moderate them to remove illegal content, they could be held liable or something. how the fuck would right holders be hold liable if they have nothing to do with any of the operations?
>In addition, many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
that's just a business decision, not a technical limitation
what a load of horse shit

>>714518204 (OP)
If this is the best they can offer, they really must be panicking lmao

>>714518204 (OP)
Fuck corporations

>perfectly rational explanation by productive contributing members of society
vs
>against the rules eceleb spam by unemployed discord children and constantly lying about what the point of the movement is

I know who I side with

>>714519414
how far up your ass is that corpo boot?

>>714519414
But enough about GamerGate.

>>714518204 (OP)
Okay, so what exactly is the point of an organization that represents the interests of video game corporations making a statement about this? SKG is literally nothing but a burden to the business side of things. No shit they'll find problems with it.

>>714518204 (OP)
seething faggots gonna seethe
who cares what their opinion is?

>>714518204 (OP)
>In addition, many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create
Good

>>714518919
Because the game is still associated with their brand.
>Club Penguin gets shut down and private servers start popping up and Disney doesn't really care about them
>BBC and other outlets start writing articles about how Disney's game is a hive for pedophilia, blackmail and a bunch of other insane shit
>Disney gets of their ass and sends a cease and desist to all of them because it's hurting their image
I signed it but I don't think anything is ever going to come of it because of cases like that that can and will be used as an example. For every literal who dead game/gacha that got revived with private servers with no issue, you occasionally get one run by a mentally ill circlejerk that hurts everybody else.

they know exactly how fucked they are

>>714519998
And this is why your crusades get fucked

>>714519864
>sorry but without child labor coal will be prohibitively expensive to mine

>>714519952
don't publishers love EULAs? why can't they write something in like, once the publisher stops supporting a game and you decide to run your own server, you will be held liable by the rights holder if you damage his brand by not moderating the server

>>714519414
good morning saars

Corpo shills on suicide watch

>>714518204 (OP)
>https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/
LMAOO I KNEW IT
LITERALLY THE SAME "ARGUMENTS" AS CORPO SHILLS HAVE BEEN SPOUTING HERE FOR A YEAR. THIS IF ANYTHING PROVES CORPOR SHILLING IS ACTUALLY REAL
>it's le not viable
>muh "protection"
>muh right holders
>developer choice
>this will le bankrupt le devs!!!!
LMAAOOO
GET FUCKED CORPOS

>>714518204 (OP)
Lol this is all bullshit. A software maker can make and sell software without having to worry about how the end user is using it. If they do illegal shit that's for the police to handle. The moment they shut down their own servers their obligation is over.

This is like a hard drive manufacturer saying they can't make hard drives anymore because someone might put something illegal on one.

Why do eceleb worshippers call corporations "corpos"? Are they LARPing as a Cyberpunk character?

>>714519952
Completely irrelevant. If someone hosts a TF2 server locally and invites all his bombing terrorist friends to it then Valve isn't somehow responsible for that. The only way Valve would be responsible is if that was taking place on their own hosted servers.

dropkick corporations into a volcano
dropkick governments into a volcano
dropkick mafias into a volcano
dropkick unions into a volcano

>>714518919
>how the fuck would right holders be hold liable if they have nothing to do with any of the operations?
They wouldn't be. It would be absolutely insane to hold some corporation responsible because someone is doing illegal shit using a product they sold a decade ago.

>game dev shuts down The Crew 1
>is forced to let random people run the servers
>releases The Crew 2
>meanwhile the people now running The Crew 1 groom children and host virtual Nazi rallies
>the news says THE CREW IS AN ALT RIGHT PEDOPHILE GAME
Take one look at Ross and tell me this isn't a possibility. This will destroy the reputation of the game developer and they will have no control over it.

>>714518204 (OP)
>*We should be able to steal people's money
They didn't need to use so many word to say such a simple thing.

>videogameseurope

Who?

>>714521680
Discord hasn't been hurt after so many pedophile scandals, why would someone care about a literal dead game no one played anymore?
It's not as if they released the binaries and somehow 1 trillion people started playing again.

>>714521680
That's a risk for literally every product ever made. Is this pants company going to stop selling pants to guys with glasses?

>>714520210
Ban on child labour has hurt poor people, not robber barons/corpos

>make a gun
>someone shoots 100 people with it
>gun's manufacturer has no control over any of it, and gets sued for all the deaths

>>714521891
Sandy Hook vs Remington

>>714522002
>american retardation
the grown ups are talking shut the fuck up please

>>714521951
Even in SKG, FOE!

>>714522002
but that case was about remington having too much control over how it marketed its guns or something like that. here the publishers argue they would be hold liable because they don't have any control anymore

>>714521680
>So.. You drank water?
>guess who else drank water?!
>ADOLF HITLER!!

>>714522491
Except Ubisoft doesn't own the rights to water.

Get ready, this is who you're up against

>>714522823
They stand no chance against our army of right wing youtube grifters

>>714518204 (OP)
>We can't remove illegal content, or combat online harassment if you do this!
They can't do it when they abandon the game anyway. What a dumbass statement.

>>714522823
>Qumar Jamil
>Microsoft

>>714518919
>>714519952
Can't I do this in any game? Like I can make Quake 3 maps that niggerniggernigger as the wall texture and then say "id, bethesda and microsoft allow this"

this is a corporate non-reason

>>714518204 (OP)
>literally begging gamers to stop
get fucked lmao

>>714521680
Youtube has 50 times more child porn than any video game community but Google seems to be doing just fine.

>>714522823
>Sqaure Enix
lmao

The shills are getting desperate, huh?

>>714518204 (OP)
>ESL FACEIT GROUP
I have brainrot
thanks /v/

>>714518204 (OP)
This sounds like nothing but bullshit excuses, I woulnt be suprised this little cabal would be fine with the iniative dying.

>online-only


When SKG wins, this game will have a lable on its cover:
ONLINE ONLY: EXPIRE NEXT YEAR

Nobody will buy it, they know, they panic.

>hey EU if you put our game servers in the hands of others they will be able to say bad things about nonwhites and good things about native Europeans and we can't stop them like you want us to
>>LE PETITION IS..... DISMISSED
gg, it will be that easy

>>714518204 (OP)
You can literally just put null values in place of online handshakes. If somebody complains that their dead gacha is single player and can’t run on the next iOS version tough luck it’s nobody’s problem anymore. At the absolute worst you share a shitty version of the game that has no online features and can only run on old systems. Still better than killing it outright.

Who else /was here for the double golden poo and heartened to see /v/ take a stand for the hobby again/?

>>714518204 (OP)
Pretty much what I expected them to say. They'll have plenty to time and resources to make their case after the petition is sent to the legislators lol.

>thing that was standard 20 years ago is not an option because of """"""data"""""" and """""community content""""""
lmfao
you could sum this bullshit up in one easy sentence:

"You are not allowed to have fun on your own terms."

>>714518204 (OP)
>the decision to discontinue online services must be an option for companies
Saving you a little money and FOMOing people into buying your newest crap isn't a real reason.
>the industry ensures that players are given fair notice
Not the fucking point
>private servers are not always a viable option for players as the protections we put in place to secure player's data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist
No longer your concern.
>and would leave rights holders liable
No it wouldn't, stop lying.

What a load of bullshit. I seriously hope nobody believes a word written there.

>>714524040
Kek
This is what will happen, unironically

>>714518204 (OP)
>Netflix
and with that I can dismiss this whole thing

>>714518204 (OP)
TLDR: See image.

>>714522823
Oh no skiggerbroos, looks like we're outmatched! The based EU is a force of good and cares for its loyal gamers. But I fear it might be tricked by unsound arguments from the treacherous corporate lobby with their infinite financial backing. To guarantee success of our Initiative, we need to fund our own lawyers, and we can't go cheap here. Better start digging to our pockets for some donation money. There are millions of us - if everyone gives, no one loses.

>>714524547
>decision to discontinue online services must be an option for companies
that's not even an issue. They still could decide to discontinue online services as long as the game keeps being in a playable state. Literally the "we would have to run the service indefinitely" nonsense argument

Yeah, I'm thinking it's over.

>>714518204 (OP)
>We understand it can be disappointing for players, when it does happen, but at least we notify you before we fuck you over.

>>714518204 (OP)
It's afraid.

IT'S AFRAID!

>>714524741
but the EU supports that

>>714518204 (OP)
>embracer group
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

>>714518204 (OP)
beautiful

heres the TL;DR version without the lawyer language

>please don't force us to stop making online only games were we rip you off with predatory pay to win and loot box mechanics we don't know anything else
good. eat shit. if it ends the industry so be it. Its not difficult to make an offline mode you just refuse to do so because it was never about playing the game to begin with

Who is going to represent the iniative at the EU Comission? Are they going to force Ross to take the stand?

>>714523084
What are you on about

>>714520885
Guaranteed they were behind the cp spam.

>>714522661
Switch water for Fanta and it works for the CocaCola company.

>>714524547
>>the industry ensures that players are given fair notice
>Not the fucking point
its a fucking point.

right now, that fair notice is hidden in their ToS, and even that fair notice is wage as fuck.
It has to be printed in big fucking red letters right underneath the titel of the game.
THIS GAME WILL SHUT DOWN ANYTIME WE WANT

>>714518204 (OP)
I don't wanna defend companies but it was obvious this shit was pointless from the start
90% of games don't deserve to and shouldn't exist forever, it's also pointless to play a lot of them without a community, and the ones who truly matter will be maintained regardless, if anything we need more bullshit like The Crew to teach naive normies and other retards how shit these companies are.

>still no vidya journalism coverage

Kek they know they can't be for it and they can't be against it because it's blatantly pro-consumer and they don't have the internet hate mob excuse this time.

>>714525617
>90% of games don't deserve to and shouldn't exist forever,
90% of Music don't deserve to and shouldn't exist forever
90% of Books don't deserve to and shouldn't exist forever

>>714521767
Biggest European lobby group.
These guys are the AIPAC of videogames.

>>714525707
All true, your point?

>>714525639
nah, they have not organized yet. it all happened in a week and only now we are getting the start of a response. you will see a response starting monday afternoon

>>714525339
some local stooge has his name on it as the originator.

>>714525583
They probably mean they just flat out announce "Our servers are shutting down on xyz date" as fair notice before it actually happens. But you're 100% right that plenty of purchasers don't even know that could even happen because of how it's buried in the EULA.

>>714525754
And what are they going to say, exactly? What CAN they say?
Just impartial reporting of facts? That would be a bold move on their part.

>>714525617
Just because you don't want a game to exist doesn't mean someone who paid for it doesn't deserve to be able to play it when ever they want

>>714518204 (OP)
Actually the furry guy had an point. How can small games do that? Not everyone has the skills, time and money. That has to be left to the platform holders to deal with. Not that indie devs are making Online Only games, but it's pretty hard to keep a game “alive”.

>>714525041
why is it always Goldstein?

>>714525639
Too busy stealing guides from reddit and having the AI spit out another article so they don't get fired.

>>714518204 (OP)
>Corp babble

Wake the fuck up, signatory.
We've got an industry to burn.

>>714525041
cause its a fake screenshot you tard
>goldstein
>shekelstein
i have a bridge to sell you contact me at cocksucker@fuck.com

>>714525839
This is one of the major points in SKG, ross spoke about it plenty of times.
The reason the corpo shills try to avoid this, derail from it, is because this will damage the corpo shill practice on how to promote the games.

as soon something like this is clearly labled on the game, it will no longer sell as much as before.

LABEL GAMES WITH AN EXPIRE DATE WHO WILL EXPIRE

>>714525891
They will just say how it's impossible or would bankrupt the dev if they had to patch it

>>714525891
They will likely call it GamerGate 2.0 or ignore it completely. They are going to cause a lot of confusion around it and try to make it political, like they always do.

>>714525905
AGAIN

MR CORPO SHILL

JUST FOR YOU

IF A GAME CANT DO IT
LABLE THE FUCKING GAME WITH AN EXPIRE DATE

>>714519414
What are the lies? You had one job.

>>714525891
i personally think they will just let it slide. the cost on the companies is just so fucking small. Just release a binary we already own for this game, just test that the game works on offline mode, just make a final build that unlocks everything when the game dies.

but it may get ugly if big corpo understands this as a attack on copyright laws. if that happens, it is not just epic games that will intervene. it will be google that will start lobbying and sponsor hit pieces.

it will probably start with the usual missunderstanding that this is unimplementable and impossible, and either will subside or escalate, depending on what laywers will tell CEO what this means. to be honest, no real EU layer said that the real implications of all of this may be

88k today. Will probably drop down to 40-50k/day soon and then have a big bump near the end of the month. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended up hitting 2.5m.

>>714526125
Calm down man, I'm a no-dev trying to chiming in on the conversation. Despite my biutiful ESL grammar

>>714525905
>random guy who has no dev knowledge
>yeah it's impossible to expect indies to patch out online requirements
Very trustworthy source and must be true, case closed

>>714526000
Even if the sunset portion never happens replacing the "BUY" with "RENT" would be a good change and worth the initiative.
If people still decide to buy a game that they KNOW can/will eventually go offline then that's kinda on them at that point.
I'd love to see games get an expiration label like a fucking bag of chips.

They're so fucking obviously afraid lmao. It's funny how Valve doesn't give a fuck about this but it's only the most jewish greedy publishers with the worst reputation ever that are seething about this.

>>714521363
You think those are faggi-o's you're slurping?

>>714526310
Pretty sure most Valve games can be hosted on a local dedicated server right? I know DOTA2 had lan at some point but maybe it was removed?

>>714526310
holy fuck she's perfect
like, seriously. jesus fucking christ
this chick is like, the epitome of perfection in my eyes. from the moment i laid eyes on her, i knew she was something special - the kind of woman that makes a guy weak in the knees just by existing.
her body is pure art, each curve and contour expertly crafted by the gods themselves. those tits though... holy fuck, her tits are to die for! so big and round, with just the right amount of jiggle when she walks or moves around. i could spend hours just staring at them, tracing their outlines with my fingers...
and don't even get me started on her ass! it's like two perfectly shaped orbs of heaven, begging to be squeezed and worshiped. i imagine myself kneeling before her, burying my face in that plush canvas, inhaling deeply as i savor her sweet scent...
she exudes this intoxicating aura of sexiness and confidence that draws me in like a moth to a flame. every movement, every gesture, every breath she takes is infused with raw, unbridled sexuality

>>714526487
Yep, their game design from the start was letting players play with the servers if they want to.

Some dude was literally running HTML pages on Portal servers.

>>714526537
Go outside

>>714525903
Nice strawman you intellectual doorstop

>>714525707
You seem to be under the impression that any and all culture should be protected on the basis of being culture alone, let me remind you then that pic related is literature.

I got something to dismantle their argument:
Has /pol/.wad or moonman.wad damaged the Doom brand, yes or no?

>>714526537
Based and heteropilled

>>714526732
image got removed for some reason idc

>>714526125
they already told you it could end, you chose not to read it
>b-but make the label bigger
you won't read that either

>>714526732
>Nice strawman you intellectual doorstop
Nice ad hominem, where did your drop your argument?

>>714526878
they wouldn't like to make the label bigger and especially place it near the buy button, that would hurt their sales.
they like to have total power over your purchases.

>>714526878
>Read a contract for one hour whenever you want to play a game
Says the disingenuous prick defending people who absolutely don't pours billions into consumer neuroscience and definitely care that every person is properly informed about their purchases.

>>714526878
psychotic, if there is a label telling you that the end of life of the game is in 3 months, you are not going to buy it.

>>714527000
I have it right here, but im waiting for you to produce a proper one instead of more fallacies

I can build auschwitz in minecraft, replace the textures with swastikas, wear a hitler skin and hold mock holocausts in private servers and yet no one holds mojang accountable...?

>>714528062
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

>>714519584
the fact they feel the need to address it means it actually has a chance of achieving something
it's a good sign

>>714518919
>many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only
Just... don't design them like that?

>>714528183
more than the fact that they responded, the fact that the arguments were so remarkably tame

>>714528281
Sadly that's an art lost thanks to coporate greed

>>714519414
I hope you're paid well, Poopesh.
But we know you aren't.

why has all the posting hostile to the initiative suddenly stopped?

>>714528681
they'll be back in a few hours

>>714518204 (OP)
>the decision to discontinue online services is multi-faceted, never taken lightly and must be an option for companies when an online experience is no longer commercially viable.
leave the game in a functional playable state after ending official support and nobody will complain.

>We understand that it can be disappointing for players but, when it does happen, the industry ensures that players are given fair notice of the prospective changes in compliance with local consumer protection laws.
>many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
nothing stops publishers from releasing a final patch to strips away server dependencies, always online requirements, release server binaries or server documentation.
if a game is designed from the ground-up to be online-only, it is also intentinally designed to be taken away from customers in the future when it will eventually shuts down.

>Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable.
then empower server admins with such tools, minecraft servers have that, valve games have that... so it's not impossible.

>>714518204 (OP)
>viable servers are not aways a viable alternative
nobody is asking to keep online modes in games alive

we are asking to put a boolean called END OF LIFE = false in the fucking game code then when you shut the fucking servers off you set this boolean to true and that bypasses the server login letting players play the OFFLINE STORY MODE that is in may games like hitman 2016

>>714518204 (OP)
>entire corporate lobby are afraid of a bunch of geeks who tap buttons on controllers all day
lol

>>714518204 (OP)
>the video game industry says that the initiative is bad
wow who could have seen this coming.
Unfortunately for them the consumers have spoken and are taking things to the legislators. Get fucked.

>>714529586
>I took a C++ class in high school, just listen to me about software design Netflix!

>>714518204 (OP)
>shut it down

>>714530335
and """/v/""" says that SKG isn't reddit

Any software programmer worth their salt know this is a design phase issue that can be solved pretty easily.
The main concern about "muh middleware" is for stuff like anti-cheat and account verification, two things that would be infinitely less needed on community servers.

>>714530335
>self-regulatory body
What a fucking joke. What is this, America?

>>714518204 (OP)
>>714522823
>an alliance of the most cancerous companies
I accept the challenge

>>714519414
>soulless corpo slop
vs
>unchained cries of the masses

>>714530335
>sodomite flag even though its july
wew

>>714522823
>Warner Bros. at the top
Finally, something that /co/mblrites and /v/ermin can agree on: Warner Bros suck.

>>714525617
>if anything we need more bullshit like The Crew to teach naive normies
by definition they will never learn, so your position is self defeating by nature

I don't care either way.
I don't play video games enough to care.
I just want to see butthurt.

>>714528062
based

>>714530505
Software programmers are not educated on international business policies.
That's why they haven't programmed it in yet.

>>714518204 (OP)
>private servers would leave copyright holders liable
This is the actual reason why Section 230 exists, not the twisted backwards insane reason they've been citing for the last 4 years.

It's strange that I've not seen a single argument against SKG. Normally there is at least something, but either the only people who oppose SKG are retarded or there's just nothing objectionable about it.

>>714530776
the primary stakeholders want the fastest possible timeline and EoS contingency plans are the first thing that goes into the dumpster so they can rush out their game in time for a critical fiscal quarter. This regulation needs to pass so stuff like concord will never get a chance to go the distance

>>714518204 (OP)
never heard of these people

>>714531040
Pretty much literally a game dev lobby group for the eu. You can spot some very familiar names on the member list.

>>714518204 (OP)
I don't see the EU doing anything.
But the marketing teams are shitting bricks because that puts the issue in the mind of the normie.
It was not an issue that existed in the common mind, now it is.

>>714522823
>Sqaure Enix

GOOD MORNING SAAR

>>714519542
>corpo
Anyone who uses this term is a homosexual.

>>714531201
It's afraid.

>>714531229
shut up corporat

>>714519561
>GamerGate
They won, tranny.

>>714529586
That’s not how it works, you can’t just add one little thing into a game to make it playable forever. Even purely single player games like the Neverhood are almost impossible to play today even if you have the original cd..

>>714522823
>Cinnamon Rogers

They have a god damn pirate on their side? Fuck kinda name is that?

>>714531303
Cyberpunk sucked and ruined the entire genre as a result of stealing its name

>>714531283
It's not afraid, it is hurt in the retarded world of shareholders.
It will inevitably make the numbers go down.

>>714519414
>Bought opinion paid for by conflict of interests' money
vs
>Consumers uniting and proposing not to be fucked in the ass

>>714518204 (OP)
>these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
Fuckers lying out of the gate, it costs NOTHING to release server software

Ross mentioned them in the past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEVBiN5SKuA&t=498s

>>714521527
Even then Valve shouldn't be responsible for it. At best they could be responsible for knowing about it and ignoring it. We need to stop implying service providers are responsible for people abusing their service.

>>714518919
>>secure players’ data
as if official servers didn't suffer from data breaches lol
>>remove illegal content
that's more of a concern for the server operators though
>>combat unsafe community content
no one gives a shit. >muh toxicity is an excuse to ban dissent
>>would leave rights holders liable
this makes no fucking sense. the private server operator would be the one who responds to law enforcement enquiries

>multi faceted
1. we dont want you bypassing our mtx
2. we dont want you bypassing our fomo slop

that's multi, right

>>714531559
>yes, making workers do things is free! no, I've never held a job, why do you ask?

Why do they love corporations so much?

>>714519952
>>BBC and other outlets start writing articles about how Disney's game is a hive for pedophilia, blackmail and a bunch of other insane shit
but it's not yidsney's server, so they should write about the server, not yidsney itself
sounds like the BBC needs to get spanked for inaccurate reporting

>>714531782
Still believe in myths like trickle down economics and the american dream that everyone can become rich if they just work hard enough.

>>714531727
the good thing is, if these are their only counter arguments than it should be easy to convince the EU parliament

>>714531775
I cant believe your dumbass wrote that thinking it was an intelligent reply, the workers already got paid to begin with to make the code in the first place, moron. Uploading it onto the internet does not cost anything.

>>714521680
>Other people are retarded so we have to let corporations exploit people

>>714531775
Workers dont give a fuck. The hell? Do you think the mcdonalds employee cares if he gives someone an extra nugget?

>>714531967
>other people are retarded so we need the government to regulate video games because... The Crew doesn't work after 10 years

>>714518204 (OP)
>many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only
>prohibitively expensive to not do that
lol
lmao

>>714518204 (OP)
>We welcome the opportunity to discuss our position with policy makers and those who have led the European Citizens Initiative in the coming months
That's a bold statement at the end. If they really mean this then it could be an interesting watch.
Who are they going put forward for Ross to tear that person a new asshole?

>choosing a side between corpos and coomsoomers
>not watching them fight for entertainment
Modern games and gamers are dogshit anyway, everything deserves to burn down to start a new.

>>714518204 (OP)
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/VGE-Position-Discontinuation-of-Support-to-Online-Games-04072025.pdf
Here is their full reasoning

>>714532032
>do more work for the same pay
yes workers do care about that

>>714532075
A challenger appears!

>>714532043
>other people are retarded so we need the government to regulate food safety

>>714532208
>more work
Anon, they make it in bulk, there is no extra work involved

>>714518204 (OP)
>Private servers are not always a viable alternative because security, law, safety
This seems like a very convincing point until you ask one question: How did Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament made it work just fine decades ago?

>>714518204 (OP)
GG 2.0

>>714532208
This motherfucker thinks we're out here counting nuggets lamo

>>714532208
>extra work
If clicking a file and uploading it is too much work, you are retarded

>>714532159
Other than the arguments I've heard a million times here, seeing
>Competition from Community-Supported Versions: Such a requirement could lead to
community-supported versions of games competing with official versions, potentially
jeopardizing the financial investments of the video games companies. This would lead to
confusion between trademarks, and the original trademark holder may be held
responsible for actions undertaken by a community supported version.

Is so retarded since that's a non-starter argument when you look at TF2 or something like Doom matchmaking servers.

>>714532208
It depends, doesn't it. Most workers get paid by the hour, so more work indeed means more pay.

>>714532075
I don't think Ross will be involved this after the signature gathering part is over, it's someone else who set this whole thing up who would have to go in to talk about it

>>714522823
>Board Chair infamous for literally killing so many fucking games
lol, lmao

>>714532420
All that really says is their next game that's worse than the previous game might not sell as well because the previous game is still being played because people prefer it over the new one

>>714525905
name 5 games that would be in that situation

They got it wrong. They somehow think it's about being able to run private servers while the game is still active, or something?

>he thinks the EU will let literal Nazis run servers for games against the wishes of the IP owners and confuse the public when the EU is currently cracking down on all right wing misinformation
I mean, lol.

>>714518204 (OP)
i told you guys that europe has no democracy, kek

>>714532159
>The video games industry is committed to consistently providing players with high-quality
interactive gaming experiences
stopped reading there

>>714532773
you can't stop me from doing a book club about your shitty novel either, and I'm gonna wear a hitler moustache the whole time.

>>714532757
They didn't get it wrong, they're deliberately misrepresenting what it's meant to do to try and sway opinion against it. I.e. literally what Piratesoftware did.

>>714518204 (OP)
ChatGPT supports the initiative btw.

>>714532420
I don't think those are necessarily the best examples, since Valve actually disabled customisation from the CSGo servers back in the day at one point. Still, I find it very narrow minded. Why should people competing with you be a bad thing? As long as people are forced to buy your game or pay you a subscription fee in order to enjoy the content your competition is producing then you win. You can use that to get the edge over them. I guess this opens smaller companies to abuse by higher ones, but you can put stuff in the licence is that is really a worry, just say that you cannot benefit economically from it or something like that.
Oh, they mean "I saw a player with nigger in the name in a private server so now it's the publisher's fault". Utterly moronic if that's the actual argument.

>>714532420
its funny they write this because the ESL Faceit Group is part of this lobby organization. faceit runs its own servers for CS2 matchmaking competing with valves official matchmaking

>>714533085
>the dumbest AI
great

>>714532878
More democratic than whatever podunk shithole you're from.

>>714533085
>the greatest AI
dumb

>>714533204
>>714533436
this shit is so unfunny it makes my eyes hurt

So it is basically
>We don't want chuds to make nazi servers :(
>We don't want the old game competing with our new game :(
>We don't want to put in the work that was done 20+ years ago :(
>We are shit developers who have to rely on boiler plate code for literally everything :(

>>714533528
>I AM A DEVELOPERRR

>>714533528
>ferretfucker forever butthurt

most live service games dont even need private servers, games like the crew could be easily made single player. if its a shooter just make a local bot lobby like every multiplayer shooter used to have. if they cant make the game work in some way at all ever after shutdown then maybe game shouldnt exist at all

i feel like people against stop killing games just try to focus on 1 gotcha.

Government is a public gun.
You solve problems that can only be solved with a gun otherwise and accept the consequences of using a gun.

And we are in a post-"vote with your wallet" sytstem where corporations cater for the shareholders instead of consumers, and the PR will spin bad sales to say what they want instead of what you want.
That's only solvable with a gun, private or public.

>>714533528
I have genuinely never witnessed a bigger, pettier faggot than this dude.

>>714533652
> then maybe game
i had an esl stroke

>>714532449
All the more reason for him to step up now while the votes are still coming in.

>>714533528
After July 31st there will be a new Ross will make a new EU initiative dedicated to harvesting Thor brain to make it run the multiplayer server for The Crew for all the ten people that still own it, until the end of time.

>>714533705
Why do gamers sound so unbelievably retarded whenever they talk about shareholders?

>>714518204 (OP)
>It's more expensive for us to let people host servers
What?

>>714530303
worse
is just an api that returns the fucking monster data is not rocket scientist

>>714533652
>games like the crew could be easily made single playe
It was single player, which is the insane part,, they just straight up removed access to it

>>714533787
why do Jews get so unbelievably defensive whenever shareholders are mentioned?

>>714533787
because when you a subhuman retard with no arguments asking loaded questions, everything sounds retarded

>>714519542
I'm guessing enough to read the label

>>714531375
hitman 2016 is cracked and can be fully played

it just doenst unlock itens cause that part is server side

>>714533897
>when you a
when you're a

>>714533865
I don't think you even understand what a shareholder is.

>>714533787
Companies do incredibly retarded things that make em lose sales on purpose, so they're clearly being manipulated by boomers that don't know shit on how the market work, and it's easy to assume that is the people that can sue the company if they don't do what they want since this shit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

>>714533865
Stop being anti-semetic

>>714518204 (OP)
it's like those niggers forgot what a LAN is

>>714533968
someone who holds shares of company stock, who don't have any interest in the quality of the products being sold

>>714522823
>No valve

It would be such a tragedy if they stopped making online only live service games, please guys think of a world without online only live service games if the EU were to implement draconian laws

>>714526224
probably, but they also have no leverage. what are they gonna do? threaten to saw off their metaphorical legs as a form of protest?

>>714522823
This list really shows it's a standoff between all the cancerous AAA publishers and consumers. Buying games from these fuckers is actively giving money for them to lobby against you.

>>714534594
if you buy games at all 99% of the time your money is going to some fucked up company that wouldnt care if you were raped forever in perpituity as long as they made money from it

>>714532208
They get paid for their time, anon. If they are working on this, then they aren't working on something else

Amazing to see the industry is panicking. This confirms the initiative has the potential to do good. Keep signing!

>>714518919
>these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
no they wouldn't they'd just need to release the server code when they shut down the game

>>714530335
>Self-regulatory
love to see it

>>714518204 (OP)
These are the same retards who believe The Last of Us 2 and Death Stranding 2 are the pinnacle of the industry btw.

>>714518919
these businesses are just insane, they are so convinced that they own everything about the game like every copy in everyone's hard drive that they think that if someone hosted their own server they would also own that server hosted by a third party
it's just insane delusion or stupid deflecting with inane shit, or maybe some retarded legal loophole they have hinges on that being true and if it is proven/ruled not to be (it clearly fucking isn't) then they get fucked in some way (good)

>>714519414
you mean SKG?
we all saw the indians lying about what the point of the movement was.

>>714535721
>they think that if someone hosted their own server they would also own that server hosted by a third party
As far as I understand it, they *have* to act on every minute transgression. Because if they don't, when and if something real happens that threatens their ownership of the intellectual property or whatever, their prior inaction to said minute transgressions will bite them in court.

>>714521680
>Cross check availability state of the Crew 1
>Official servers offline
>EoS announcement articles
>"Oh it's nothingburger, then"

>>714535148
>here's this game that you can choose to buy if you want
>>I'M BEING RAAAAAAAAAAAAPED!
lol I bet the EU will take you people seriously

>>714522823
You have to defeat Warner and their 16 evil constituents before you can run your own private servers

>>714534594
This is why I only buy indie games and Japanese eroge

>>714536843
Fucking based. Gamers won.

>>714518204 (OP)
If Apple couldn't beat the EU government video game publishers sure as hell are not

>>714519952
Sounds like big fat smearing lawsuit

>>714536843
Free indentured servitude?
Yes please.
You want my money? You better work for it, faggot.

>>714536843
>the paid indian shill have to spam the same low iq strawman because they literally have nothing
grim

>>714520885
Exactly waht I was thinking reading that text.
There's no fucking way the two realities (videogameeurope and planted shills) are not colliding somehow

>>714518204 (OP)
>retards actually thought their signed petition would do anything

>>714536843
>SKG passes
>co-op only game releases
>have no friends
>sue the developers for releasing an unplayable game

>>714536191
>Because if they don't, when and if something real happens that threatens their ownership of the intellectual property or whatever, their prior inaction to said minute transgressions will bite them in court.
That's not the case whatsoever for IP/copyright.
It can be true for trademarks in some scenarios, but that's not applicable here at all.

How is Maldvirus Fagtree holding up?

>>714537382
More like "the beast reels in fear".

>>714528062
just a reminder that the "holocaust" didn't happen

>>714537382
did you expect the lobby organization to stay quiet on this or what?

>>714526270
I'd frankly prefer for them to have a EOL but I'd be happy with that, knowing it'll fuck corporations nevertheless

>>714518204 (OP)
It's over gaytorsisters, Anita wow again.

>>714537449
Still coping and trying to have the last word in his little circlejerk discord.

>>714537419
Individual disabilities are not a valid reason to sue

>>714537449
Huffing another canister of Copium.

>the decision to discontinue online services is multi-faceted, never taken lightly and must be an option for companies when an online experience is no longer commercially viable.
this shows a clear misunderstanding or even intentional misrepresentation of what the petition is about
no one is telling them they can't discontinue online services, and no one is saying they can't have the option to do so, the petition is about making it so WHEN they decide to discontinue the online services for a game or shut down their own servers, players can still run THEIR own servers or self host
>the rest of that mumbo jumbo
that is literally a bunch of non issues cause A) they happen even when they host the servers, so it's not like giving them to players makes them more prone to this shit, and B) there's already games where you have the option to connect to either official servers, custom ones, or selfhost a room.

all of these are just a bunch of excuses

>>714537449
last I heard he deepthroated a gnome dildo so hard he got a fungal infection

Apologize.

>>714518204 (OP)
It's okay, I feel less qualms when torrenting now.

>>714526270
hey retard, you can BUY a ticket to a theme park
it doesn't mean you can go to that theme park until the sun explodes

>>714522823
They stand no chance against our army of leftwing youtube grifters

>>714531782
an american is literally the one spearheading this

>>714537713
Ticket has printed on duration on it though.
Very few games tell that their server will go permanently offline in two months after you have paid for the game.

>>714521363
>why do people say eceleb instead of electronic celebrity?
See how stupid you sound, thor?

>>714521363
I've been calling them that for damn near a decade now. Not gonna change how I talk because some game comes along and popularizes it

>>714526430
kek

Honestly I think the "but people could harass each other and say slurs and damage our brand with private servers!" thing is a big deal

Obviously, we don't give a fuck about that, but I really can't think of a way to solve that, and it's not an insane concern on the publisher's part considering the dumb shit the meda decides to be sensationalist over, and "think of the children" IS a argument that convinces lawmakers

I think Ross and whoever replaces him will have to think hard about providing good counterarguments to that.

>>714526859
This book slaps nigger.
It's better than the fart one, at any rate.

>>714518204 (OP)
>PLEASE WE WANT TO KEEP FUCKING THE CUSTOMERS IN THE ASS WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS

>>714534594
it is indeed a schizophrenic display, seeing these corpo dick suckers and enablers calling anyone a boot licker. what i find most amusing is when they level this insult against reasonable voices skeptical of the fucking eu comission's good will.

ok, you are accustomed to the taste of corpo dick and now want to slurp some eurocrat tipless as well - but why this furious projection about it?

>>714519584
The tobacco industry also had a problem with regulation. The automobile industry had a problem with seatbelts and unleaded gasoline. Now an unhealthy video game industry has problems with the doctor's prescription. LINE MUST GO UP.

>>714538694
Patch in a warning when you launch that game that just says
>WARNING: This title is no longer supported by the developer or publishers. This can result in witnessing materials during online play that may not be advisable for all audiences. If you witness anything concerning, be advised that you will not be able to report it to the publisher or developers at this time.

>>714539090
>you NEED to wear a seatbelt because... uhhhhh

>>714538698
kys manchild scum

>>714537585
What for? I always believed and will continue to believe in him

>>714539504
>you NEED brakes on a car because... uhhhhh

>>714538694
I don't know, how many articles about WoW private servers do you see? If anything I only ever hear about it when it comes to childish games like Roblox. How would that affect shit like The Crew? Or MMOs like SWTOR?

>>714537286
>low iq
ironic, you can't even recognize a joke

>>714521363
its six letters shorter

>>714536843
I voted for this!!

>>714540041
nta, the post is very clearly satirical.

>>714533645
Is there any proof of this? Everyone keeps saying he fucks ferrets. Well please show me a single piece of evidence that I've done that because I don't see any. Accusing him of something like that without proof isn't acceptable.

>>714522823
They wouldnt win if it wasnt a woman lmfao they are ready for the entire war it seems, i just hope everyone gets bombed in that image.

>>714540376
Yes, yes. "Ahah, I'm gonna pretend I'm the person being talked about by "accidentaly" using first person at one point, I'm so funny". Been done and overdone, let's move on to something else already.

>>714539251
Again, I'm fine with that, but the megacorps won't be and I think EU lawmakers will sadly likely find their concerns compelling

>>714539793
I don't think it needs to be private servers for the publishers to use incidents as examples to fear monger: They can point to incidents with roblox or vrchat and lawmakers probably won't know the difference

Regarding the concern with "undesirables" running servers, it's like anything innit? Once the company has fully abandoned something, it's no longer their problem. It's like blaming a car manufacturer when the truck of peace comes screaming through.

>>714540271
nah

>>714531915
>the good thing is, if these are their only counter arguments than it should be easy to convince the EU parliament
How possible is it that they are fronting a series of retarded arguments just to be the calm before the storm?

>>714522661
Nope, that would be Nestle

>>714530701
>by definition they will never learn
If this was true nothing would ever change or improve, even a dog will learn with enough pain, we just need more The Crews

>>714540041
fucking dumbass lol

>>714519952
If I bash your fucking head in with a hammer, is the company who made the hammers responsible?

>>714536843
There are people on this planet that believe this

bump thread pls >>714541243

>>714518204 (OP)
Lol they said
Lmao

>>714533528
Did he seriously doubled down with the entirety of yt farming him? This guy is an asshole but when skg goes nowhere its gonna be so funny.

>>714541785
>saving a jpg as png
retard

>>714518204 (OP)
>>714519414
Provide a sever emulator or face company ruining fines and jail. It's simple.

>>714522823
>EA
>Riot games
>bandi namco the ea japanese hitler equivalent
>a cabal of the most cancerous companies on the world
>they dont even have GoG
well im out. i hope ross bought some good lawyers or somthing. ggs. corpos suck. thanks for ruining video games.

>>714543039
I dragged the image straight from google images using 4chan x. Don't tell me you are still saving every image you post.

>>714521363
Yeah, why are they not calling them Limited Liability Companies with their articles of incorporation chartered in Delaware like we do at the office?

>>714521680
>releases The Crew 2
>gets spooked by stop killing games
>patches in an offline mode
Great example.

>>714522823
>Our Board
what the fuck is video games europe?
>>714543050
>>bandi namco the ea japanese hitler equivalent
really? I thought squeenix was worse given how swiftly they take shit down

>>714519414
this anon definitely tipped his doctor at birth

>>714518919
>Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable.
None of these things were true when self-hosted servers were the norm. Imaginary problems.

>>714525746
The point is that it's illegal for a book publisher to come to your house and burn the books you bought from them.

>>714543291
>In addition, many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
damn, is this why Ubisoft goes bankrupt? Because they patched an offline mode into the Crew 2?

>>714541986
Things change and improve when actual humans come together and use the forces of the world to change things. Not by hoping that normalfags will passively morph into not being retarded.
You of course don't care about that, because your real position is that companies should be allowed to fuck over their customers in whatever way they want. Fuck you and your employer.

>>714543291
all this proves is that publishers can do it but dont' because they don't feel like it

>>714525891
They are probably a bit nervous about using their usual strategy of just lying, seeing how much hate that ferret fucking streamer got for his attempt at making shit up.

>>714526224
>if big corpo understands this as a attack on copyright laws
That's dumb. There is no "copyright law attack" just because you can still play an old unreal tournament game, you dolt.

>>714521680
Maybe people will need to adapt to new reality. Humans are good at adapting.

>>714530505
The middleware issue would also immediately evaporate once companies would just stop using middleware that doesn't allow compliance with the law.

>>714518204 (OP)
Haha fuck them corpos. Maybe you'll think twice about making online only forevergames that lasted 1 year tops

>>714518919
Nothing about that matters, just keep servers running. If not your company is gone anyway and you're not liable.

>>714530776
>>714531037
You both know that studios have to put in actual effort to make it so that people can't host the game by themselves. Why pretend like it's the other way around?
There are so many old and current MMO's that have community hosted severs.

>>714543424
Nta
I wish it was a criminal offense to be aggressively retarded on the internet. That way illegal retardation could be used to ridicule and maybe flog the "humans" that make poor faith arguments like >>714525617

>>714532878
>a corpo shill group said on their website that they don't like customers having rights
Democracy is over.

>>714519414
Maybe if corpos didn't spend their budget on diversity hires and instead spent figuring out how to slowly EoL their live service games they wouldn't be in this mess huh.
Like some companies instead resold their dead gacha games as full offline-only title with one-time payment only, with majority of the content if not all included (including seasonal events).

>>714543982
I don't think he's stupid. I think he's a paid to spread defeatism and lies.

>>714518204 (OP)
Isn't this pretty much what people were saying was gonna happen? Or am I missing something?

>>714544205
Being paid to "pretend" to be criminally retarded would double the penalty.

>>714544076
corpos got themselves into this mess by taking away people's games
actishitzard royally pizzed off everyone when they replaced overpiss with overpiss 2 and made everyone rebuy everything and gutted rewards so you'd have to use real money
skg exists to enable people to keep playing the games they bought so that kind of cashgrab won't happen

>>714522823
>a list of names
Is that a threat?

>>714533528
before i was defending him now he deserved all the hate holy shit move on you goddam attention seeker

>>714533528
What does this even mean?

>>714518919
illegal content is being posted on games with the right holders still holding it and they're not liable anyways lol. How the fuck is going to work that way around?

>>714544261
No, Skiggers actually believed that once a petition passed getting everything they wanted would be on a sure path to EU law. Obviously corporate lobbies are going to oppose it because there are actual potential legal and reputational risks at hand that can lead to financial risks. Telling the corporate game lobby and their lawyers that "they are just wrong and don't understand the petition" isnt going to go the same way it has against ecelebs and forum trolls. Skiggers are going to get laughed out of the building with the current angle of their discourse.

people dont get that devs dont need to keep the servers alive just that needs to be playable to single player to pass what are they asking
They are not even obligated to integrate bots

>multi faceted
There's exactly one thing to worry about. Make your game playable offline in some capacity. That's it.

>>714519952
>Because the game is still associated with their brand.
Anon you can spray swastikas in TF2. Valve is not responsible.

I'm already tired of hearing "stop killing" and I'm ready to hear "start killing".

>>714518919
>Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable.
People are focused on this...
>remove illegal content
>combat unsafe community content
...but overlooking this
>would leave rights holders liable.

For single-player games, this is completely irrelevant.
For multiplayer games? Yeah, private servers can harm brands.
Imagine if your old abandoned game is more popular than your new game (many such cases). If you have no right to shut down the private servers after you abandon the game, the private servers will have major influence over your brand.

I'm pro-SKG but this is a legitimate hurdle.

Stop Stop Killing Games

>>714545082
Valve isnt a public company. If it was you would likely see far more restriction on that sort of content.

>>714518204 (OP)
IT'S AFRAID
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>>714545169
>Yeah, private servers can harm brands.
has this ever happened?

>>714545169
>People are focused on this...
>>remove illegal content
Make it illegal to do illegal things
>>combat unsafe community content
>...but overlooking this
>>would leave rights holders liable.
They aren't making money on things they don't sell

You are criminally retarded. Kill yourself

>>714545169
>Imagine if your old abandoned game is more popular than your new game
That's a you problem. Make better games, retard.

>>714545169
just make better games?
imagine if BF3 BF4 and BF1 were locked out and you were forced to play BFV instead

>>714543170
Are you telling me you don't have a gigantic almost two decades old meme folder that is impossible to use?

>>714545403
No.
Or well, some brands have got hurt when they have shut down popular private servers, but that is unrelated to SKG

>>714545640
Oh, I have a Meme folder all right. I just make sure to save my memes to several sub folders and not bothering to save shit I will never reuse.

>>714545640
Not that guy, but I once deleted all my porn because I thought it would help prevent me from cooming as much.

>>714545169
>Imagine if your old abandoned game is more popular than your new game (many such cases). If you have no right to shut down the private servers after you abandon the game, the private servers will have major influence over your brand.
this is how new genres were made 20 years ago

>>714545843
I won't even bother asking if that worked. I already know the answer.

>>714545169
>Imagine if your old abandoned game is more popular than your new game (many such cases). If you have no right to shut down the private servers after you abandon the game, the private servers will have major influence over your brand.
If you can't compete the previous game you released, maybe you should just quit making games

>>714545961
Yeah, I remembered your Mom's OnlyFans page

>>714545553
Anon you're being unrealistic. We both know that's impossible for modern devs. Have a little sympathy.

>>714545403
Yes? Like almost every private MMO server that made profits? WoW, RO, Maplestory, EQ and heaps others.

Crazy how zoomers don't realise we already had this entire debate decades ago.

>>714544449

he's suggesting that companies will only comply in the most malicious anti-consumer ways still legally allowed

but it's dumb to think they could get away with that when the terms are so simple and straightforward

>>714546140
>noooooooo people are making better servers and making money out of it
Weren't you mutts talking about muh free market just 5 minutes ago? What is it now? Turned into a commie?

>>714518204 (OP)
>complains about multibillionaire corpos to corpos

>>714545403
Yes.
>>714519952
Even without precedent, the argument that private servers can harm brands is cogent.

>>714545441
>Make it illegal to do illegal things
Of course, unlawful acts are unlawful, but you know what they really care about. They care a thousand times more about their brand, and private servers have no incentive to treat the brand as the brand owners want.

TLDR: It's about the association of the brand with the content permitted on the server.

>>714545553
>>714545635
>>714546105
>just make better games
Yeah. Like I said, many such cases. That's a counter to a side point, but not the main point.
IP owners want to avoid negative associations with their brands.

>>714545924
Sure but you know. Are publishers going to care about innovation more than control over their IP?

>>714546254
unlike a commie I believe in property ownership

>>714546140
How about the literally hundreds of games with locally hosted dedicated servers. Or how about the most popular game in the world minecraft? Somehow this has never been a real issue for them.

>>714546329
Great, so we can all agree we should own the games we buy now.

Thor won.

>>714546329
Then why should a company be allowed to take the property that I paid for?

>>714546140
>Like almost every private MMO server that made profits?
they harm profits but not reputation

>>714546254
I answered your question and you just folded immediately into strawmanning because you didn't like the answer.
Fucking pathetic.

>>714518919
They mean you won't get banned from a private server for calling someone a nigger.

>>714546360
>>714546390
You agreed to a contract. Ripping up the contract after agreeing to it and enjoying the benefit is just theft.

>>714546293
>brand
You are criminally retarded so you earned a retarded argument

Then remove all porn from 4chan because that associates it with child pornography. Every adult woman that is seen nude on this website was once a child so by association all porn is child porn and you deserve 30 to life.

>>714537585
I wish we lived in a timeline where he would fly out to Brussels and give a 5-minute shpiel in front of the EU rocking a Wallace & Gromit tshirt like the chad he is.

>>714546462
I agreed on getting a game, not having it from taken from me.

>>714546462
And that's a terrible practice
Companies should be prevented from doing such predatory things in the future

What the fuck is wrong with them?

>>714546421
Harming brand value is harming the brand. And you donrealise that the concept of a brand is more than just a 2d spectrum between nazi and woke. I don't know how i can spell it out further when people don't even understand basic definitions.

>>714546583
What video games do they play in Malta?
Tony hawk pro skater?

>>714521680
>the news says
They're simply spreading misinformation by not being specific enough and should be held responsible for that.

>>714546610
The goyim can't have shit can they?

>>714546610
No such thing as bad publicity

>>714544358
>actishitzard royally pizzed off everyone when they replaced overpiss with overpiss 2 and made everyone rebuy everything
Don't tell me they actually made players to buy skins back they already had

>>714546560
Unless he pulls out of the initiative after it passes, he's very likely to be called in front of the EU. I hope he goes with a Wallace & Gromit shirt or something equally based like that.

>>714545169

Make a better game, retard.

>>714518204 (OP)
pwned

>>714546167
This sounds really funny because it's just both sides going "No you don't UNDERSTAND" and then following up with "you'll see.. !" instead of explaining it.

>>714546648
There's no video games in malta. All those signatures are from random yurupeens who signed while flying over the island.

>>714521680
People who watch the news are literal baby boomers who hate all video games. Any generation up knows not to just outright trust news outlets.

>>714546462
Contracts do not supersede property rights.

>>714546648
I knew a brony from Malta. He was a high-functioning autist who was going to college for digital arts or something like that, since he was really good at drawing. I haven't been able to talk with him in a while, I hope he's doing alright.

>>714546583
Tax havens

>>714518204 (OP)
>when it does happen the industry ensures that the players get a fair notice
this doesn't always happen

>>714546462
>>714546390
>Then why should a company be allowed to take the property that I paid for?
>>You agreed to a contract
License agreements do not supersede national (or international) laws.
The SKG website notes a lot of countries consider video games as goods, and goods are under the purview of consumer protection laws.

That being said, video game private servers are in some ways very different from other goods.
It's kind of like if Disneyland shut down and you were able to host your own Disneyland. Even if you had banners in big bold letters saying "THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL DISNEYLAND! THIS HAS NO OFFICIAL CONNECTION TO DISNEY AT ALL!", you're still hosting all the familiar characters, rides, and buildings.
Your unofficial park could do things that Disney would never want associated with their brand.

>>714518204 (OP)
>statement made on april 4th, before the petition blew up
Do you fuckers even try with your bait threads anymore

>>714519414
>goverment
>productive members of society

>>714546840
I always wonder what people in these strange countries are up to

>>714546882
>doesn't always happen
Does it ever happen?

>>714546918
Here's your (You), not fuck off.

> the decision to discontinue online services is multi-faceted, never taken lightly and must be an option for companies when an online experience is no longer commercially viable
so buying your game needs to be consider a GAMBLE then. You are seliing this garbo FULL PRICE you cunts

>>714533528
How many years has he been working on his 1 game now?

>>714518204 (OP)
is this the gamergate v2

>the decision to discontinue online services [...] must be an option for companies
Sure, as long as the game still works for the people who already bought it.

>>714544261
You're missing that this isn't any group affiliated with the EU. This is a European industry advocacy group made up of a bunch of game publishers. It's the equivalent of the ESRB coming out and saying "Please don't get the government involved. We don't fuck you over because we want to. We do it because it's too much work not to!"

>>714547153
>You are seliing this garbo FULL PRICE
True. However, people are buying the garbo at full price.

>>714519542
>le corpo bootlicker
that's literally all you have, it doesn't phase us anymore. You have to accept that their argument makes complete sense despite them being "the powers that be". Not everything is a heckin marvel movie anon

>>714521363
retardation from theur communists minds
>ugh le corpo!!! ugh le capitalism!!! ughh give me free shit!!!

>>714545169
>if your old abandoned game is more popular than your new game (many such cases)
this is not a bad thing though
>If you have no right to shut down the private servers after you abandon the game, the private servers will have major influence over your brand.
no it won't moron because the game is made by the corpo, but the server isn't hosted by them.
you're basically arguing that people would blame and sue redigit if some retard breaks your commieblock while playing terraria

>>714547186
It's been in early access for 8 years. I don't know how long he worked on it before that.

>>714547191
v3

>>714534052
They did not forget, they are just trying to make you forget.

>>714547298
>we're so used to taking corpo cock up the ass it doesn't phase us anymore, we actually enjoy it

>>714547298
What is their argument exactly?

>>714547393
cope chuddie, Pirate Software won

>>714547434
read the OP dumbass

>>714542456
>doubled down
He's a narcissist with a gigantic ego, it's what he does every time.

>>714546741
They gave people an option to transfer their skins to overwatch 2.
Still, they jacked up skin prices since it's F2P unlike ow1

>>714547493
No I did, the initiative solves that by not being retroactive.

>>714525905
>How can small games do that?
it's actually easier for small games, the reason big games are complaining is because they have these huge monolithic systems that talk to all manner of microservices over their company.
there's people working on the auth system that have never even met the people who run the stats system, so to decouple all that will actually be a pain in the ass.
But this legislation would make them change how the make the game in the first place, which they likely dont want to do because a restructure would cost money and time.

small indies just have a start_server.exe they can distribute.

>>714547313
>if your old abandoned game is more popular than your new game (many such cases)
>>this is not a bad thing though
I agree. I think that would be generally more good than bad. Obviously it's bad for the studio/publisher.

>you're basically arguing that people would blame and sue redigit if some retard breaks your commieblock while playing terraria
No, it's not about legal liability, it's about brand association.
TLDR: It's about the association of the brand with the content permitted on the server.
See my analogy with Disneyland >>714546905

>>714547758
>association of the brand
"this previous game was so terrible that we want people forget it existing that we can sell them another terrible game"
If the game was good then even afterwards it will still be good for the brand. If it was shit, but people will still bother to upkeep it, then they are just getting what they deserved.

>>714547298
>it doesn't phase us anymore
I'm glad you paid shills can manage

>>714547985
The quality of the game is irrelevant to the primary point.
It's about the association of the content permitted on the private server with the brand.

>>714547985
>WTF? The Spongebob MMO has rainbow colored dildos in it? I'm not letting my kids watch that trash anymore!
>>No, please listen, you see it all started when The Crew was taken offline and the EU said games need an end of life-
>I've heard enough about this woke trash, I've made up my mind already.

>>714519414
both sides hate you, pajeet so you better flush yourself.

>>714546905
In your unusual hypothetical which has no baring on anything that has ever happened in the real world, I think Disney would be more worried about you making revenue off of their properties, (i.e. classic copyright infringement and trademark violation) than any potential image problems your park might generate.
Most games already have an "ONLINE INTERACTIONS ARE NOT RATED BY THE ESRB" type of disclaimer. If they wanted to cover their asses, they'd just have to add "COMMUNITY-RUN SERVERS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO [COMPANY] MODERATION."

The private servers thing is too big of an ask. It will never happen.

If you guys pushed for storefronts to require informing customers that they'll lose access to the game in X number of years, that would actually work and is implementable.

>>714548169
>It's about the association of the content permitted on the private server with the brand.
So nothing to do with SKG

>>714548380
>you should start your movement by asking the bare minimum, it sure won't get diluted down any further

>>714533085
pay up karl

>>714548224
If people are doing shit with the game they still hold the IP rights and can easily threaten litigation, the only thing they need to do is have the game be playable.

>>714548380
Unironically true. It's why people kept calling this whole thing retarded, because it's not even pro-consumer but aggressively anti-developer.

>>714545169
That's their fault for making a product the audience wants less than the original.
That's like a power tool company forcing you to buy the new, worse model under threat of lawsuit if the user tries to maintain their own property after the new product was launched.

>>714548380
If the latter were to happen, the former would be an inevitability. Revenue would plummet once, A) most players realized they were paying $60+ for time-limited access, and B) publishers now have to stop selling a game completely well in advance of shutting it down because they would be legally obligated to fulfill all subscribers' terms of service (or give them a refund for time not used).

It would become far cheaper for them to just release a server binary and be done with it.

>>714548380
>The private servers thing is too big of an ask.
Why?

>>714518204 (OP)
very simple fix
>ban microtransactions and gacha
>make it a law to inform people of shutdown 1 year beforehand for online only games
>for online only free games that need to have buyable skins, refund 50% of payment in the last two years

thats it

>>714548645
It's not like that at all.
Instead it'd be closer to going to Home Depot and renting a Mini Skid Steer only to return next year and only be capable of renting regular Skid Steers.

>>714548345
If you read my post, I said many countries consider video games a good, and license agreements do not supersede national laws.
Then, I said private servers differ in fundamental ways to traditional goods.

The analogy was to demonstrate the difference between a video game private server and a traditional good.

>I think Disney would be more worried about you making revenue off of their properties, (i.e. classic copyright infringement and trademark violation)
The analogy is of an abandoned space hosted "privately," just like a video game private server. Would studios and publishers also allow private server operators to earn revenue from their abandoned games?

>If they wanted to cover their asses, they'd just have to add "COMMUNITY-RUN SERVERS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO [COMPANY] MODERATION."
It's not about legal liability.
It's about the association of the brand with the content.

>>714548383
>So nothing to do with SKG
The SKG site explicitly gives an example of providing consumers the means of hosting private servers, so the arguments rights holders would have against private servers are relevant.

>>714548760
Oh okay, do you have hundreds of thousands of dollars and a legal team and a lobbying organization? If that's true then yeah very simple.

>>714548618
So they need to spend money monitoring, policing, and fighting legal battles over the game after they hand it over? Sounds pretty burdensome for something SKG pretends would literally cost nothing.

>>714548760
>>ban microtransactions and gacha
Great idea that will never happen because a few million people whining is not enough to overturn a multi-trillion dollar industry
>>make it a law to inform people of shutdown 1 year beforehand for online only games
Very easy to do and should be standard
>>for online only free games that need to have buyable skins, refund 50% of payment in the last two years
Retarded idea but would be fun to have since it'll directly kill skins and such in games, along with all the games associated with them.

>>714548861
crapcom wouldn't be liable if some retard installs a naked hunter mod to wilds
you're delusional and retarded

>>714548861
>The SKG site explicitly gives an example of providing consumers the means of hosting private servers, so the arguments rights holders would have against private servers are relevant.
Not really. Just release a private server that can't be modified and only allows playing the game as it is.
If someone manages to jailbreak that then sue hell out of them.

>>714548874
They just need to send a cease and desist which they do already for tons of community projects.

>>714519561
>>714548883
you're both trannies.
gamergate exposed how rotten games journos and publishers are (former sucks up to latter to review copies, sneak peeks, and invites to events)

>>714548736
There isnt a why, just obscurification. They want you to pay for the same game twice by pumping out an sequal that is just the first one with a new skin and kill any online support for the first one.

It's just planned obsolescence, making people having to pay for the same shit over and over again.

>>714548949
>Just release a private server that can't be modified
NTA but this just makes them extremely liable and also adds in tons of work for no reason.

>>714548919
>Retarded idea but would be fun to have since it'll directly kill skins and such in games, along with all the games associated with them.
maybe it would be better for last 6-3 months.
full year if the game was just launched and immediately going into shutdown.

>>714549017
>NTA but this just makes them extremely liable
Nah. It is out there, hands are washed, what players do afterwards is up to them.

>>714548874
>>714548972
or you could fuck off and let people play in peace

>>714520885
>THIS IF ANYTHING PROVES CORPOR SHILLING IS ACTUALLY REAL
on this site? on g-d? no way

>>714526310
yeah, that is kind of funny. the worst companies in the business, that everyone agrees are the worst companies in the business except for contrarian shitposters, are losing their minds. with the exception of thor, indies love it. actual devs have come out widely in support of this.

>>714549074
>Nah. It is out there, hands are washed
Then they can't sue.

>>714525041
Uhhhh

>>714548941
>crapcom wouldn't be liable if some retard installs a naked hunter mod to wilds
Correct, but there's a difference between a singular user making inappropriate modifications and a large private server hosting inappropriate modifications or permitting inappropriate content.

>>714548949
>Just release a private server that can't be modified
What about comms? What if the private servers become large hubs of speech you don't want associated with your brand?

>>714522823
>microsoft
>QUMAR

>>714548760
>make it a law to inform people of shutdown 1 year beforehand for online only games
This doesn't actually prevent games from being destroyed though. You need an economic disincentive - a small penalty for companies to do this less in the future, such as a big fat disclaimer next to the buy button. That would dissuade customers from buying these types of games, and then less of them would be created in the future.

>>714549152
>What about comms? What if the private servers become large hubs of speech you don't want associated with your brand?
"What if people communicate"
Well I guess you can start ripping out tongues like deranged dictator.

The only vaguely close analogy is like expecting refunds on a ski pass because lifts were closed due to no snow or other inclement weather. I mean yeah I guess they do put it in the conditions for ski passes and that it's fair to ask for the same disclosure for online games but I can't see people demanding refunds as anything other than retards.

>>714548861
>It's not about legal liability.
>It's about the association of the brand with the content.

Again, has never happened with any game that has user-run dedicated servers before. You're proposing an extreme hypothetical. And don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lobbyists WILL use that argument without thinking twice, but that doesn't mean it holds any water in the real world.

>>714549083
No I agree but he's arguing that letting players have access to their games might cause PR damage which is a non-issue because the corporation already holds the IP rights.

>>714549127
>Then they can't sue.
Of course they can. Maybe not win, but suing is always possible and corpos know how to stretch that shit for centuries if necessary.

>>714543590
Because they want to sell you a product they can kill when they feel they arent profitting enough from so they can sell you the sequal.

>>714518204 (OP)
>ALL THOSE HUGE CORPOS
lmao you faggots going to get btfo, Episten was suicided, Diddy got away scott free
you have no power

>>714525327
The whole thing comes off more to me as
>This is the list of corporate entities whose political contributions depend on you not giving the goyim an inch.
>PS. Here's some text about the issue so the SEO actually finds said list

All these claims from these corporations that they can't do X because Y doesn't exist just raises questions of how they are able to do their development testing if that is the case. Then again given how buggy and unoptimised modern AAA games are it wouldn't not be surprising in the slightest if they basically just weren't testing them via sensible means.

>>714549448
"Testing? Isn't that what early access is for?"

>>714545640
I wish I'd started a meme folder decades ago. The memes get posted every few days. How would I have trouble finding them? Why would I need to save them on my computer when they're all at my fingertips?
Like tears in the rain.

>>714549405
>political contributions
To the EU?

>>714543346
>what the fuck is video games europe?
a lobbying firm, like the ESA

>>714549206
>Well I guess you can start ripping out tongues like deranged dictator.
So rights holders will have the right to shut down private servers?

>>714549237
>Again, has never happened with any game that has user-run dedicated servers before.
Club Penguin, VR Chat, Roblox, probably more.

>And don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lobbyists WILL use that argument without thinking twice, but that doesn't mean it holds any water in the real world.
Yeah, all the other arguments I've seen against SKG are fucking retarded, but I think there's at least some merit to this one. What rights should IP holders have over the content in private servers?
I doubt the EU is going to say private server operators can do whatever they want with the IP.

>>714549553
To the various blood suckers that make up the boards and committees involved in this whole charade.

>>714549448
>SKG reveals that the competency crisis within the games industry is a lot worse than initially thought.
I would laugh my ass off while being irrationally angry because the other software industries aren't that fucked yet.

>>714518204 (OP)
They say you can judge a man by his enemies.

>>714522661
they will

>>714549596
>So rights holders will have the right to shut down private servers?
Yes they still own the IP.

>>714549596
>So rights holders will have the right to shut down private servers?
About the same right as disney has a right to shut down my disney themed discord server that does quite a lot ERP with disney characters.

>>714523971
You underestimate how apathetic normies are to those kinds of warning labels.

>>714549596
What a user running a private server "does" with an IP only runs afoul of existing law if they make money off of it. Otherwise, they are free to modify the .exe and provided assets however they damn well please.

>>714536843
fix the RCE exploits kid!

>we need to keep killing games because not doing so is... unviable
Great argument.

>>714549869
>Great argument.
It is. Cells are killed on purpose to prevent cancer.

>>714550131
HeLa cells were harvested for medical research.

>>714550131
>food analogy

>>714522823
>warner Bros games
jesus christ they're like the most incompetent

>>714520219
this. literally a non-issue.

>>714536843
Is the momslave hot?

>>714549771
That makes sense to me. There would have to be some provisions to prevent them from shutting down servers too liberally, but in my opinion they also need some ability to "protect" their brands. But the details can get messy.

>>714549774
Well, there's a big difference between writing fan fiction and hosting a server for an official game.

>>714549810
>only runs afoul of existing law if they make money off of it. Otherwise, they are free to modify the .exe and provided assets however they damn well please.
I'm sure publishers will protest, and I doubt the EU will rule as you described.

>>714550484
>Well, there's a big difference between writing fan fiction and hosting a server for an official game.
Not really. Same shit, different package

>>714518204 (OP)
>paragraph one blatantly lying about the issue from the first sentence by insinuating anyone is asking for games to be supported forever
>paragraph two is about how nobody gets to own the things they bought with their own money because someone might say the word nigger on a private server 15 years from now

>>714522823
>cinnamon rogers
That can't be a real name, come on

>>714522823
>Final boss and all of their lieutenants are revealed at the start of the game
Kino

>>714550484
The provision would be they have to allow them to be able to play the game. If they were to start fucking with things to an unreasonable extent you'd probably have to settle that in court, but they likely won't go out of their way to sabotage your game or something.

>>714533528
this nigga is so fucking mad

>>714518204 (OP)
Their fear nourishes me

Remember: You are here during the event that proved that the vidya industry is literally against everyone. Chuds, trannies, boomer, zoomers, autists, normalfags, every group you can think of are pushing for one goal.

>>714550484
Realistically they should not have the ability to shut down the server themselves. It should only be able to be done if something illegal is actually happening on the server in which case that is then a separate legal law enforcement matter which has nothing to do with them. The extent of what they should have is the ability to monitor servers to some extent for such illegal activity if they care to do so. Otherwise at most private servers should just be required to have 'unofficial' in any text where the original IP name is used.

>>714522823
minecraft them all

>>714525041
>goldstein
sigh

>>714551108
lol so it's going to cost game developers and the government (taxpayer) more money

>>714549869
you know what planned obsolescence is?
same with software and games

>>714551229
More jobs, that's what people like

>>714551229
To do what?

>>714549809
it is outstanding how well corporations brainwashed the masses to just consume product and don’t ask questions

>>714551229
Hey, you dug that hole.
We just wanted to play video games.

This is such a Jewish fucking answer, holy shit

>>714533528
Delicious passive aggressive asshurt.

>>714551442
It was honestly expected, just the usual tropes nothing too interesting.

>>714545403
>>714519952

>>714551442
>gaslights the other side to make them think they are in the wrong
>tell them how it’s actually a good thing
>threatens other side with legal action if they do not comply
100% kosher indeed

>>714533528
dude plays the villain role exceptionally well, genuinely impressed

>>714531834
>expecting the bongland government to punish their propaganda arm for false reporting

>>714519414
>Le ebin contrarian comments for (you)s

Here's your (you)
You fuckin faggot ass nigger

Have a personality and speak your mind instead of being an NPC

>>714537581
>Why can't they just build two concurrent server archs to satisfy the 13 users that will ever use it?

Fuck me, imagine wanting to waste thousands of hours of talented people's time, because I might want to play Call of Duty 17 multiplayer again like I did in primary school.

>>714518204 (OP)
So, what would happen if Valve finally has enough of the EU meddling with their business model and decides to completely leave its market.
Millions of EU citizens would lose access to their games, but the EU would have no way of retaliation since Valve would no longer do business with them.

>>714553650
>implying valve stands to lose anything at all if this passes

>>714553650
I'm quite sure that their games are SKG compliant

>>714519414
you forgot the reddit bob reaction pick with your bait post

2/10 - no effort

>>714553650
What does this have to do with volvo?

>>714553650
Valve already comply voluntarily with this lmao.

>>714553650
Valve is the one supporting this, so it would be more likely to withdraw from USA than from EU