Thread 714534210

Was Godot well written?

>>714534210 (OP)
It didn't make sense people thought he was an amazing prosecutor considering he was a famous defense attorney who was in a coma for years before losing to phoenix in every case.

>>714534210 (OP)
Godot himself is well-written. What's dumb, however, is how other characters react to him. Phoenix and Maya are way too sympathetic to him.

>>714534210 (OP)
He was a well-written moron, sure.

>>714534210 (OP)
in terms of his character, general charm, and motivations sure
in the sense that everything about him and his actions in the climactic case make almost zero sense when you stop to think about it for more than a few seconds then absolutely not

>>714534318
T&T in general felt so off. Phoenix having a 180 change in personality and inserting a particular part on his life where he decided to leave his dreams to be an art student was so out of place, forced even.

>>714534210 (OP)
was it me or was Godot the worst prosecutor in the game? I dont mean character, just prosecutor

Nah from everything I've heard the engine's horribly optimised.

>>714534210 (OP)
I don't think you can say any of the Phoenix Wright games are particularly well written. They're fun but they're absolutely retarded cartoon lala land

>>714534210 (OP)
Wait a fucking minute....

>>714535415
Well he wasn't actually educated as a Prosecutor so it makes sense that Phoenix would steamroll him easily, but it's also just accepted that he's destroying Prosecutor moral single-handedly.

was there any reason to being named Godot or did the writer just come back from the play and think it was a great name?

>>714534318
The only one who says that is the big nose guy that looks like spambot, and I think he was just making stuff up because Edgeworth doesn't even know who Godot is in the final chapter even though supposedly he recognized him as the best prosecutor ever

Dont think so.

>>714535415
I would say that he´s a bad prosecutor but a solid "rival" for AA standards. His main schtick is that he doesn´t focus on the overall case or targets the defendant to get him a guilty verdict, but instead directly attacks Phoenix with the sole intention of just making him lose the case and make him feel like a failure, which is why he constantly puts pressure on him and always tries to shut down his arguments regardless of how weak his rebuttals usually are. Which is why Phoenix considers him dangerous pretty early in the game, since he wasn´t expecting going against a guy with such erratic behaviour that apparently knows and hates him for some reason.

>>714535857
Japs love paying homage to other works, it's why you see gags and art styles from the 70's still being referenced in anime and manga today.

>>714538795
I thought he was dangerous because he throws hot coffee at you

>>714534210 (OP)
He looks like the kind of guy who fucks and steals your girlfriend.

>>714534210 (OP)
>Was Godot well written?
Yeah. Some anons here on /v/ will tell you that his actions in the final case are dumb, despite that literally being the point
It sucks that he's the last great prosecutor in terms are writing though

>>714534210 (OP)
it is arguable that no aspect of the fucking seri s is well written, not when it's full of fucking memes and dumb reddit shit

>>714539559
I really wish Simon Blackquill was better. I honestly liked the idea of a prisoner prosecutor, but he was just so bland and boring, like a mishmash of all the most random aspects of previous prosecutors.

>>714534210 (OP)
>practice self defense
>get executed
Do japanese really???

>>714534210 (OP)
In terms of being a memorable, compelling, and tragic character? Yes.
In terms of the overall plot and his motivations/actions? Not really.

>>714539559
The truth is that all games besides the original trilogy are simply bad

>>714535515
>>714539637
>Erm wtf this comedy game is full of jokes and silly shenanigans?

>>714539559
>It sucks that he's the last great prosecutor in terms are writing though
Layton vs Wright once again forgotten

>>714539672
>like a mishmash of all the most random aspects of previous prosecutors.
But enough about Nayuta!
>>714540102
In my defense, I've yet to play that game

>>714534210 (OP)
Lolno.
My will to finish T&T was completely killed by him, and I say that while AA is one of my top-10 favorite games. He's trying to be an Edgeworth without actually having a competent writer behind him. Edgeworth worked because, while a dick at first, he was competent and you could respect that; von Karma's voice was the law itself, and it felt "right" because of how characters reacted to him and how brutally efficient his dialogue is at cutting the argument in half before it even starts. Godot? I felt myself skipping past his dialogue because of how smarmy his is for no good reason, how he's "just there" without feeling like he really matters or fits thematically with what the game is going for, and his design is just... not my cup of coffee. Really pushes my sense of disbelief in a way I don't like.

>>714534210 (OP)
He was ready to send Maya to the gallows in the final case because he was too much of a pussy to confess

Godot is fucking based.

>>714540897
>I felt myself skipping past his dialogue
Which is why you don't understand when he appears as a inexperienced prosecutor more focused on tearing down Wright, dropping hints and attacking key points mercilessly, why it's such a shift that his character is the one to ultimately get broken when you have evidence that he literally cannot see. Having the prosecutor be the actual victim of the trial, and not in a literal sense like Edgeworth, was definitely a welcome change of pace, and ended with the kino Mia/Phoenix double point to ultimately snap him out of his rage.

>>714539559
I liked Zieks

>>714542196
Zieks is based as fuck, never relenting on his racism yet also realizing when he is in the wrong.

>>714534210 (OP)
Not at all, but his coffee abuse is a huge inspiration.

>>714534210 (OP)
T&T as a whole was well written, even if there are some dumb flaws like the flinging body with the bridge in case 5 not really making sense.
It has a sense of maturity and personal stakes that the rest of the series lacked after T&T.

>>714534210 (OP)
As a character? Yeah. The plot surrounding him is a bit shaky and illogical, but that has very little to do with him.

>>714534210 (OP)
>>714535647
What is this phenotype?

>>714534210 (OP)
T&T was kinda fucked with the asspulls and Godot was kind of a retard. He should simply be a no-name prosecutor that has blood in his eyes to fuck with Phoenix Wright (like Klavier I guess).

>>714542196
I liked Zieks too, too bad he was stuck in a not so good game.

>>714543517
GAA has a great cast, it just took until 2 for the cases to get a bit better, but that doesn't mean GAA is worth skipping.

>>714543461
I don't think this is the only instance where SEGA and Capcom have similar-looking characters, but I can't recall at the moment.

>>714542196
he's probably my favorite prosecutor (that lasts more than a singular case) in general
he's not cocky, like the karma trio, he lets ryutaro voice his opinions before either finding him somewhat agreeable or downright moronic for grasping at straws. there are hardly any moments in both of his games where he purposefully sets ryutaro up for a downfall to save his own ass
i liked defending his case a lot more than defending edgeworth, zieks gets one and a half whole games to get to understand where he's coming from, how he accepts how others perceive him out of shame, etc.

>>714534210 (OP)
Let us start from the beginning
>works at law office, hot new intern joins
>falls in love with intern
>intern gets an insane first case, helps her on it
>crazy bitch Dahlia saga begins, defendant dies
>GF is scarred and he has to do something
>lets Dahlia feed him poison because he's retarded
>now in coma
>while in coma, Dahlia murders some more
>Mia gets whacked by some info dealing faggot
>Mia's intern gets infofag convicted
>takes care of her little sister and cousin
Now we flash forward
>retard wakes up from coma
>learns waifu is dead
>instead of blaming the schizo that did it, blames the guy carrying on her legacy
>treats him like an asshole for months in court
>finally the KEIKAKU begins in 3-5
>instead of actually telling anybody important about the plan Morgan had, Godot proceeds to:
>kill his dead girlfriend's long lost mom
>endanger Pearl
>blame the murder he committed on his waifu's sister
>almost get Phoenix killed trying to save her
>when Maya is innocent, he blames Phoenix's girlfriend instead
>Phoenix figures the bullshit out and gets him to admit he did it all
>Godot is still an asshole and is now in jail forever and never referenced again
He has a sick theme song though, one of my favorites.

The final case makes no sense if you stop and think about it for longer than a few seconds

>i dont get it
>first godot didnt trust his underling and tried to shoulder the entire burden on himself, fucked up, and got people killed
>then, instead of taking responsibility and asking for help, he didnt trust his underling's underling and tried to shoulder the entire burden on himself, fucked up, and got people killed
>hes just an inconsistent character

>>714543517
>>714539792

TGGA > OG trilogy. This is not an uncommon opinion.

>>714540102
Really sucks that this dude just disappears from the story and only shows up in the ending cutscene with no lines.

>>714545468
It’s a shame because he’s great. But so is Darklaw, so I’m not complaining too much

>>714545658
>2-3 and 4-3 at the bottom
filtered

>>714545458
Maybe among retards, such as the ones that can't even get the acronym right

I tried to play TGAA after finishing the og trilogy and i fucking hate sherlock, can't stand him, literally made me quit the game

>>714545849
Stick with him and they actually flesh him out, but I agree he is a fucking pest when you meet him and dreadful to talk with.

>>714545849
I thought Sherlock was great, but I hated the original characters.

>>714545849
the retarded/aloof detective shtick can only be "charming" for so long but i guess that's what makes the final logic and reasoning spectacular in Resolve so kino, so it's worth the hurdle

>>714534210 (OP)
no. he's a retard who almost caused the downfall of the entire fey clan out of a petty grudge against phoenix because he (godot, not phoenix) couldn't get his facts straight. he deserved no sympathy

>>714535996
I mean, If you are bullshitting already... Why the fuck stop now? Remember, he says that as he is bullshitting a plot to get out of a murder scene by faking a crime and being charged for the theft.

>>714538795
>Man wakes up and finds his crush is dead
>Finds out about Phoenix
>Fucking passes the Bar for a prosecutor in under 2 fucking years to get your badge just to legally be a fucking douche to him for letting Mia die.
>Phoenix has no fucking clue who you are, is scared out of his whits because of the Von Karma's and doesn't understand your motives

But given he was in an American hospital, I doubt he could've afforded therapy... If that exists in Japanafornia

>>714545849
He's like the only good character in those games

>>714540102
I love seeing Nick and Maya dealing with crazy Layton kino.

>>714540102
it was fun watching him figure out how the "law" worked, then it was like "ahh shit, he knows how to object"

>>714544540
Iris and Misty agreeing to any part of the stupid prick's plan is baffling to think about for any length of time

>>714550925
I can buy Iris reluctantly going along with Godot’s plan. But what makes zero sense is that she doesn’t rat him out as soon as she gets arrested.

>>714539559
Play the fangame Conflict of Interest. Willamson clears every prosecutor in the series except Edgeworth and Van Zieks