Totally not a MONOPOLY btw
Tooootally

>>714539968 (OP)
Turns out when you only have 300 employees, you get to keep a much larger piece of the pie. Apple and Google have over 40,000 employees each.

...You don't know what a monopoly is, do you?

How is it a monopoly?
You're free to fuck off and put your games anywhere else

how many years of these fucking threads now? feels like 10.

>>714539968 (OP)
>They're a monopoly because....their competitors are trash!
Skill issue.

>>714539968 (OP)
it's crazy how people who don't make videogames manage to make the most amount of money just leeching on other real developers
you have to applaud the truly jewish mind of gaben

How the Fuck is this legal?!??!
Can we get the government to do somethingn??

Maybe we could do an EU petition or something idk maybe like call it StopSteamingGames *shrug*?

>>714539968 (OP)
Valve has ridiculously low number of employees, it relies on free work of cultis

>ITT shills seething about steam being better

How DARE Valve offer a convenient and well maintained consumer friendly market place

>Monopoly is when staff get paid good

>>714540571
well, what vidya platform is better than steam?

>>714540440
>people who don't make videogames manage to make the most amount of money just leeching on other real developers
But enough about ecelebs.

>>714540763
You talk like I respect this livig dirt more than kike gaben

>>714539968 (OP)
Timmy please, get back to work, Verse isn't gonna write itself.

>>714540440
>>714540763
it's always losers who have never done anything who call everyone parasites. because they have no fucking idea how anything works so they just assume these people fall into wealth without working or providing value to people. you will always be poor.

>>714540054
I seriously doubt they need all of those.

>>714541158
>value
lol the store doesn't add anything of value to the game and what i'm buying is the GAME lmao

>>714540440
shit b8 m8 i rate 1/8

>>714539968 (OP)
meh, the workshop alone make it's worth it
Why haven't others (uplay, origin, epicgamestore...) tried to implement something similar?

>>714539968 (OP)
Artifact poster, are you still with us?

Ever since I found out about Dodge v. Ford 1919, I concluded that publicly traded companies (and any company which actively distributes stock by any means) are fundamentally anti-people.
Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about it except make posts like this and remind people that even if Unions are fucking vile things, they're better than being bled dry by big businesses who don't care about you at all and use statements like "for the good of the stockholders" as an excuse to do evil.

And to make the post videogames, I'm playing Lies of P.

>>714541545
Ok but I'm also using proton and steaminput api and community guides and everything else that purchasing the game is paying for

We have never sought to become a monopoly. Our products are simply so good that no one feels the need to compete with us

>>714541775
>no teaching material infrastructure
>no tools infustructure
>no even fucking proper page with a comments to track bugs

>>714541545
Retard

My fellow American niggers actual understanding of the word monopoly comes from there fucking Hasbro board game and just assume it means, "They makes too much monies" jesus fucking christ

>>714540107
Popular thing I don't like

>steam is a monopoly because everyone else fucking sucks
I don't understand the anti-steam people.

>>714542163
In the words of Epic games,
>Just go use the subreddit for the game
>Just go use the subreddit for the game
>No seriously, just go post on the subreddit, every game has one, that's why we're sunsetting our own Forum, cause we don't wanna have to maintain one for every game we host!

>>714543179
>just assume it means, "They makes too much monies"
It does though?
Mono = money, see "monetary"
Poly = many
Monopoly = many money

>>714539968 (OP)
OP while choking on his own semen:
>I want workers to have below minimum wage and be axed anytime

Microsoft Windows is a monopoly, every new prebuilt PC comes with it installed. You don't have to install Steam.

>>714543639
False, there's a fair few that come with Mac.
And you can build your own PC. Your point?

>>714543386
>EPIC EPIC EPIC
Obsessed retard, am talking right now about your shitty steam and your shitty valve where even mesh plugins for fuckig source engined were made and supported by community for the last few decades.

Fucking github has wiki, fucking github has issues page, unimaginable thing for a store that extracts all money from the PC market

I buy all my games from grey markets, neither devs or valve will ever see my money

>>714545224
So just torrent it? There's no point in wasting your money.

>>714545459
>Denuvo
>I like having my games on steam for cloud saves and future fast downloads instead of fitgirl

>>714544530
This. There's nothing wrong with not having a forum and workshop. In fact, not having them is actually a GOOD thing.

>Samefagging

>>714543446
monopoly is a board game lil bro

Imagine making anti-Steam threads constantly because the voices in your head tell you to, but not having an actual grudge against them, just *checks wiki*. I had some dumb faggot saying I should be upset that other people's kids might gamble or see porn. How does that affect my ranking in Space Marine 2?

>shuts down your fan game
nothin personnel kid

>>714543179
But Monopoly actively teaches you what a monopoly is. When you own all the properties of a given color, it's called a monopoly and it enables you to gouge the shit out of anyone who lands on those properties with impunity.

>>714541545
You get convenience from all the shit being in one place, but you're not the main beneficiary.
The developer is the one getting value out it, as they don't have to handle all the distribution bullshit and have better access to the audience than if they had to do it all themselves.

>>714540054
20,000 of them are from HR

>>714546397
wasnt this always the case? they told Black Mesa the same thing which is why its not half-life.

>>714539968 (OP)
no real competition =/= monopoly.

>>714548452
Black Mesa has Gordon, Gman, Vorts, etc. its using all the Half-Life IP aside from changing the name "Black Mesa", which is another bit of Valve's IP. This looks like Valve is arbitrarily shutting down a (free) mod project which took pains to comply with Valve's licensing agreement.

>>714539968 (OP)
Why don’t you by fro GoG or ESG? Are you brown? Do you not know what a monopoly is? What did your dad molest you faggot?

>>714539968 (OP)
Nothing wrong with monopoly as long as the consumers are happy.

>>714548802
i dont know the specifics but apparently just a name change was enough to avoid legal problems

>>714541158
>look you just don't understand
>donate money to internet man
>how the world works
>please say my name internet man
>you fucking chud
>HE DIDNT SAY MY NAME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
kek

monopolies are when customers go out of their way to use your service even when everyone else undercuts you at every turn

>>714540440
Why don't devs just advertise correctly? League of legends did it. Minecraft did it. Roblox did it.

>>714549067
Which makes it even more puzzling with CS:Legacy. If simply changing the name was good enough for Black Mesa, I feel these devs would have been pragmatic enough to change the title to, I dunno, "T-CT" or something, and gotten it out the door.

>See Steam getting all the money
>Want a piece of the pie
>Make a store front
>Make it as consumer unfriendly as possible
>It crashes and burns
>REEEE ITS BECAUSE STEAM HAS A MONOPOLY!

>>714549705
And that makes you seeth because...?

And all that for a company without a shareholder board
Phew, no wonder it makes the jews mad

>>714548337
19000 are pajeets
50 are executives
and the remaining 950 are the people keeping it afloat (note these people will be the first to be fired and be replaced with more pajeets)

>>714549324
Undercutting and cutting corners aren't the same thing, timmy.

>>714539968 (OP)
I don't care if they're a monopoly.
Tell me how their service has hurt me as a customer, and then I might care.

>>714539968 (OP)
Why don't those other companies make more consumer friendly launchers then?

>>714551597
Cool it with the antisemitism.

>>714539968 (OP)
green scout is cursed

>>714541978
good post

>>714551597
I'm afraid that's not possible.

I wonder how it feels to have your annual salary literally be millions. At that point, what the fuck do I even do with it.

>>714552239
Investments and having as much procreative sex as possible. This isn't a hornypost, this is a statement of fact. Just imagine putting in a 1 million bond for a baby that they can get into in 18 years. Imagine being able to do that annually. Find yourself a woman who's desperate to breed, and you could create the largest nouveau riche two-generation empire within a single generation.

Live a quiet life, don't get on anyone's radar, pay your taxes, don't be a public figure, and in 20-30 years you'd have a soccer team of millionaires with your surname annihilating whatever industry they want to be a part of.

>>714552239
Well, as a richfag myself, I bitch on 4chan about how people spend their money. I call people with high end hardware poorfags and tell them to cope and seethe about enjoying themselves, while I angrily post from my favela shack (which saves me money so I can be even richer) and tell them how much smarter I am.

>>714540054
Yea but they definitely have contractors as well and the retard who wrote the article probably didn't include them

>>714552239
idk I'd get the cool cars I always ogled at as a kid (even 964 gen porsche 911s are going for retarded money these days and they were remarkably cheap in the early 2010s) maybe then die in a private plane crash and that could be it for me

>>714540604
>by price fixing prices
>because customers want higher prices, so that Valve employees can afford a 5th yacht

>>714540054
Bro I think Microsoft Xbox division has like 100,000. For what?? They don't even make games anymore.

>>714549705
>>Make it as consumer unfriendly as possible
yes
Imagine what Epic tried to do:
- sell paid mods
and they
- introduced battle passes
- invented loot boxes
- have a gambling business going
absolutely disgusting.

>>714548478
ZAMN dat monke is STACKED

>>714553590
Ok, but Epic has a shitty client. Steam doesn't.
>but what about all this stuff that doesn't affect you?
I don't care. Steam has a good client. Steam has games (which GOG doesn't).
>but you should care about this stuff that affects retards!
Nope. That's why politics is so retarded today. People can't vote for what affects them. They have to worry about some guy ODing on fentanyl across the country.

>>714541382
Yes you do because something like Blue Archive not being released is not ok.

>>714553474
You don't seem to understand what price fixing actually is anon.

>>714553681
Imagine Epic using Google spyware in their shitty client, Valve would never do such a thing.

>>714553691
It must be sone tranny higher-up with a personal vendetta against VNs and anime style games that keeps vetoing them. It's pretty blatant at this point.

>>714553897
>again, shit nobody cares about
Find any client that acts like Steam small mode.

>>714553942
>for small dick people like myself
>let's ignore that spyware
>it's okay to force people to install spyware
Epic has an open source client, which doesn't do these things
Glad that Valve also has an open source client, without the Google spyware
inb4
>REEEEE

>>714554014
I don't have child porn, sir. I understand how it's a concern for you, but it's not something I care about. I just want to play games. The client is better, the games are there, my library is established. Keep shilling nonsensically for random things.

>>714540054
True. Corporate bloat is so fucking insane at this point it defies all logic and reason.

>>714554273
yes, so glad that Valve doesn't push gay porn onto children.
Epic however is pro LGBTQ+ and pushes gay porn onto children.
Absolutely disgusting.

- introduce children to gambling and casinos
- introduce children to gay porn
- don't give children the skins they want, instead sell loot box keys for $3 a pop
wow, Epic is really evil.

>>714540440
I mean Valve is a legendary game developer. Up there with ID.

>>714554375
I don't have children. Why do you keep insisting I should care about this shit?
Also, I'm not arguing that Epic is evil, but you certainly are arguing that I should redeem, saar.

>>714554454
>yes, you see I love their straight linear walking simulators, masterpieces of LOADING LOADING LOADING programming

>>714539968 (OP)
Man, I so love the new age of "[Literally any word with an established and specific definition] is when thing I don't like". Who needs language? It is bigoted anyway. All the brave minorities communicate just fine with rapes and murders anyway.

>>714554473
Yes, Steam is the store for gays like yourself.
So glad they are pro LGBTQP+.

>>714539968 (OP)
timmy tencent SEETHING

>>714554580
No store can match the elegance of this interface. It's so easy to do, but nobody wants to.

>>714539968 (OP)
i'm alright with monopoly if the company who has a monopoly on an industry is based and generous like Valve is.

>>714554656
>wow, a HTML list is incredible

>>714551795
Thank you Anon. I hope you have a peaceful evening.

>>714554713
yes, Valve gives out free games as a thank you.
Meanwhile Epic charges full price for them all, because they are greedy bastards.

>>714554792
>literally Windows controls
>not a web page like the shit you're shilling
You're that dumb? I guess it's true. /pol/cels don't play games.
>>714554828
So, noticing your dripping irony. Who is Epic thanking? Clearly, not the people buying games on EGS, as nobody does.

>>714539968 (OP)
>valve pays its employees
>this is somehow a bad thing

>>714554901
>windows controls
>that's why they need the Google spyware browser

>>714554909
>Valve steals 30% from indies
>yay they deserve it
>fuck indies

>>714554943
>shilling EGS
>complains about CEF
>even though EGS uses CEF
>doesn't understand that CEF is not the entire interface (well, not for Steam)
>is stupid
>has never written an application in his life
>is poor
>is stupid
>is stupid
>is poor
>is stupid
>>714554995
Indians should pay 100%. Fuck them.

>>714553590
epic does all of those
in fact it was even worse with fortnite because the lootboxes were the ONLY way to get stronger weapons and traps to progress the game

>>714555025
>but but Epic does it too
Epic allows an open source client, which has none of these things, that's why they are hated by the (((US government)))

>>714555040
Also, he's been BTFO before on those same talking points. None of those things were invented by Valve, and most were Japanese inventions.

>>714541978
You mean you listened to Karl Marx (in minecraft)

>>714554995
why should I care that "pixel platformer about depression #24563563456346724573467346" has to pay to have access to steams servers and services?

>>714555040
it has been 7 years
let it go
>meanwhile Valve still fucks over children, no free loot boxes either

>>714555090
>Epic allows an open source client
Which makes them inferior. Also
>admits to being a terrorist
>>714555118
PLEASE, THINK OF THE POOR DEVELOPERS! DON'T PLAY GAMES! MAKE A POLITICAL STATWEMENT! BUY FROM EPIC TO OWN VALVE!

>>714539968 (OP)
>make $75 off 1 employee
>make $100 off 2 employees

OP would pick 1 cause he's a retard

>>714555118
>I don't care about games
>I want walking simulators, woke brown feminist walking simulators with strong waman like Alyx

>>714555140
>its okay when timmy did it!

>>714553474
Actually completely retarded post.

>>714555174
>having an open source client makes you inferior to the proprietary Steam slop

>>714555196
indie games are shit 99% of the time, I don't give a shit they have to pay the same store tax that EVERY store has
if they don't like it they can sell on their own site and pay for their own download servers

>>714555223
>Epic has made woke brown feminists walking simulators too

>>714543446
mono means single you dingus

monologue = 1 person talking
dialogue = 2 people talking

>>714555294
>I want more AAA woke slop
>those indies don't have woke slop, so I hate them
>feminism!!!

>>714555343
>>714555391
I see timmy has to slash the shilling budget again the epoojeets can't even read

>>714555196
>this troon is so stupid that he thinks people outside of Russia and Brazil play Valve games in 2025
You know there's more than that available on Steam, right?
Post your library. You won't. You don't play games.
Post your Windows regional settings. You won't. You're brown.
>>714555343
Isn't Anal Woke 2 an EGS exclusive?

>>714555469

Steam isn't a monopoly, it never was and never will be no matter how much you seethe and cry from your third world shack
Epic had their chance but were too retarded and chose literally every anti-consumer option possible simply because it was the opposite of what valve did

>>714541978
based, thanks for fighting the good fight

>>714555532
>DEI is when the white man saves the world and everyone loves and praises him for how good he is

>make Steam
>everyone tells you to stop and insults you
>end up having an infrastructure and community that is years-old when digital game downloads and PC gaming become more normalized
>"oh fuck..."
>everyone else tries to force a new marketplace out of thin air after neglecting the PC for years
>nobody bites
>"IT'S A MONOPOLY"

>>714555532
Epic was woke since 1992 at least. Jill don't need no man.

>>714554943
what's your browser?

>>714555676
lynx

>>714555529
>so glad the Valve only hires wh*te people
saar

https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/people

>>714555140
>no free boxes
you never played valve games

>>714555656
>woke
>blonde white cute normal weight nice looking female
???

>>714555707
Post your game library on whatever store. You WILL NOT because you don't play games and are a /pol/ack who can't help but rage about nothing.

>>714555753
>show me your digital download slop
lmao only fools pay for digital downloads
simp
it seems you cut your balls off.

>>714555140
>steam lootboxes are just for cosmetic skins
>fortntie lootboxes are the ONLY way you could get more powerful guns, characters, and traps

>>714555752
Playing as a woman is an AGP tranny thing. Epic is woke and always has been. Cliff Blezinsky proudly wore a "cuck" shirt because he supports all your deviant behavior.

>>714555791
your physical collection sir?

>>714552701
yep
I've made peace with the fact that I'll probably only get to do contract work going forward because companies don't seem to hire employees as much as they used to

>>714555791
>*shills Epic*
>I DON'T BUY FROM EPIC LOL
So, you're a liar.
And I agree with >>714555818. Post a physical collection and timestamp (near a power outlet).

>>714539968 (OP)
Go release your game on GoG, EA app, Ubisoft Connect, EGS.
It is a free market you fucking moron.

>>714555814
>could
why past tense?
how long has it been?

>>714555707
he didn't say that and why are you censoring white?

funny how people will complain that steam is a monopoly but when you suggest thay they buy games from anyone else they start screeching about "muh steam, muh cheevos, muh sales."

>>714555868
>free market
>price fixing Valve
choose one

>>714555886
>coping this hard over simple facts

>>714539968 (OP)
>paying your employees extremely well means you're a monopoly
you fucking what?

>>714555930
>be racist Steamie
>hate brown people
>love pajeet Valve
???

>>714555959
okay, so why did Valve sell paid mods again?

>>714555954
>valve tries to protect its users from getting fucked over
>trying to spin this as a bad thing

>>714555954
Don't put games on steam if you don't want to give them fair price. Simple as.

>>714556005
that was and still is bethesda
epic is still scamming children with battlepasses and FOMO shit

>>714556005
He only hates you.

>>714553590
None of that makes Steam a monopoly.
You are entitled to not liking Steam on whatever grounds you want. But it isn't a monopoly. Steam is not actively going around crushing competitors using its market power.
Customers choose Steam because they perceive that it is fair to them and it is convenient. Publishers/developers choose Steam because it saves them on distribution costs and that's where the customers are. Nor is that exclusive, they are free to sell their games on Steam, on Epic, and in their own in-house client simultaneously.

>>714555954
>we'd ask
>somehow forcing

Also, notice how when asked to post games, the jeet doesn't actually PLAY games and has none. He's had ample time to respond, but is a liar.

>>714556026
>get fucked over by paying less expensive prices elsewhere (saving money because others don't rip indies off by 30%)

>>714541978
A good fucking post.

>>714539968 (OP)
Why Valve isn't hiring more people? That's illegal.

>>714556091
>Customers choose Steam because
because they are retarded.

single player game, Valve
>yes, I will gladly create an online account for you, pajeet Valve <3 <3

multiplayer game, Snoy
>no, this is literally fascism!!!! no account!!!

they are mentally ill.

>>714556091
>they are free to sell their games on Steam, on Epic, and in their own in-house client simultaneously.
Make that "free*" >>714555954

>>714556134
see>>714556032

>>714554792
Look at the entire internet. Do you remember discovering slide transitions in Powerpoint? Because it feels like web design has been stuck in that mindset for twenty years.
Yes, a simple HTML list is amazing. I wish more people just used HTML.

>>714556115
>the mafia kindly asked for protection money, they are good guys, they dindu

>>714556134
>keeps supporting Indian games like people are supposed to like jeets
>still won't show what games he has, because he doesn't play games (which makes him a perfect fit for /v/)
>>714556190
Everyone already had a Playstation account when HD2 came out. It was just people in countries like yours that were being locked out of the game.
Post your game collection.
>>714556245
Post your game collection.

>>714556216
>we get 30%
>but can't even do a simple list with GUI controls
>we need a browser, saar

>>714556190
Sony wants you to make an account on a not-Sony platform.
You also outed yourself as falseflagging nintendo fanboy again.

>>714556314
>Windows is a Valve platform now
>Windows was developed by Valve

>>714556295
>we need a browser
>Epic uses the same thing
>but it's okay because Epic is the good saar
>still doesn't understand where the browser is used in Steam (the browser panels in large mode) or in Epic (the whole godawful client)
>doesn't care because he doesn't play games
Post your collection.

>>714556295
They did. You would know if you bought the Deck.

>>714556372
Epic has an open source client, Valve doesn't weird.

>>714556346
Don't put it on Steam then.

>>714556423
you argue like a pajeet whore.

>>714556414
Can you buy games on that open source client?

>hires economists and psychologists
>still is lean enough to have such a massive per-employee figure
The real thing to take from this is that they've avoided administrative bloat.

>>714556346
>>714556472

>>714539968 (OP)
Just shows you don't need thousands of people to run a service.

>Valve pays their American employees well
>Apples and Facebook import h1b1s who get paid in pennies
damn that sure makes me think Valve is the bad guy

Not a single person can make sense why Steam providing a good service makes it a monopoly

>>714556414
Nothing open source has ever been good, and it's not germane to the conversation. You see the web parts of Steam in large mode. You see Windows controls in small mode (and the non-browser portions of large mode on the left). Talk about open source all you want, but you've never programmed anything using CEF (which you think is the entire client because you're a stupid faggot), and you've apparently never played a video game, because you still haven't posted your collection.
You're arguing about a video game store, when you don't play video games and have no stake in the argument. You believe that any attention is good attention, and you're stirring up shit while moving the goalposts (football, not soccer) constantly because you don't know what you're talking about.
What's even more shocking is that you're a ritualposter, not a bot. You're actually posting in this thread and others (like >>714538013) made multiple times a day because you're fucking insane.
Post your game collection.

>>714556216
I like to call web design at this point "Web 12.0" because they just pointlessly kept going after 1.0 gave way to 2.0.
Some day, hopefully soon, I will have a personal website. It will be nicely formatted plain-ass HTML with embedded things only as absolutely necessary (the actual content of the site perhaps including samples of running code).

>>714542096
You would get it all without steam. I launch games from lutris without steam proton

>>714556506
yes

>>714556076
It wasn't Bethesda. Valve invited Bethesda over to tell them how much money they made off of UGC and convinced them to do it. It was 100% a Valve initiative. If it wasn't a Valve initiative, they wouldn't have integrated it into their store in the first place, Bethesda would have created their own store.
>epic is still scamming children with battlepasses and FOMO shit
Yeah, purchasing skins is so much worse than literal slot machines.

>>714555954
That isn't price fixing retard. Price fixing is having a clandestine agreement with your competitors who sell the same product not to drop it beyond an agreed price. There is no agreed price here or any agreement with the competitors. This is a stipulation with the developer (acting as the product manufacturer in this scenario) that the price you offer it on their platform must be the same as on other platforms IF you wish to use their platform. That means they are welcome to offer it for whatever price you want so long as it matches across all platforms. Whether that means dropping the price on one or upping it on another to match is up to the developer.

>>714556793
But it's also using a browser?

>>714556557
>Windows is a Valve platform made by valve
>it isn't?
>then what about this other thing that's completely irrelevant
the correct response would have been:
fuck you are right, sir

>>714556842
post slot machines

>>714556197
>Steam wants to price match the lowest offer (this is good for consumers)
>Steam is a distributor, and the developer retains control over the price (this is good for the developer)
>Having a higher listing price on Steam than elsewhere creates the perception that Steam is price gouging, because customers don't necessarily understand this relationship (this is bad for Steam)
>Steam mitigates this risk by not listing games if they can't price match the lowest available offer

>>714556612
>American employees
saar
Valve gave me green card saar
my 5 wives in India vary happy about it saar

>>714556954
Put it on Windows store.

>>714556961
you can't be this dense

>>714556668
>we don't actually need the Google spyware
>but for some reason we can't be bothered to release a non-Google spyware DRM client, because reasons
>we also need to force you to other Operating Systems, because Google spyware that we totally need
meds

Its not though. Not only are there other online video game store fronts Valve doesnt actively buy them/own them so its not a monopoly dumbass. Thats like saying Gamefreak has a monopoly on creature catcher games just because they own the most profitable franchise on the planet.

>>714556668
>wine the windows emulator and thus pro-troon is shit
glad that we agree

>>714557041
Post your game collection.

>>714557036
This is slot machine because?

>>714556987
>developer can sell cheaper elsewhere, because no 30% rip off fee
>Valve demands that they adjust prices, which means developer would earn less because of the 30% rip off fee
>and thus games are more expensive, because developer can not sell it cheaper elsewhere, because of no 30% rip off fee
>nononono it's more cheap you see

>>714541978
i don't know why people consider unions bad. If they didn't exist workers would have just been poisoned and lived shorter life span just so others can profit and live comfortable lives.

>>714557041
he didn't say that

>>714557143
Unions CAN be good, but they're mostly predatory. I was a teamster for a few years, paying dues and fearing getting a strike notice. They're good when you need them, but cancer when you don't.

>>714557142
don't sell it on steam

>>714557180
he literally claims that the Google spyware isn't actually needed for the shit Steam DRM browser.
Therefore Valve could just release a non-Google-spyware Steam client without the spyware, but with native Windows controls and not lock people out of their hardware.

But they don't.

>>714554454
was

>>714557246
That's not what anon said.

>>714557231
monopoly, because retarded people

>>714555752
Playing as any woman is woke.

>>714557231
But then they'd barely sell any copies.

>>714557296
>what's epic games store?

>>714557231
The person you're arguing with is Sirhan Sirhan-level insane. He can't remember what he's arguing half the time.
>>714557246
>he literally claims that the Google spyware isn't actually needed for the shit Steam DRM browser.
No, I didn't. Learn to read American like Jesus did.
I said that CEF isn't the entire client, which you claim it is. The parts that are CEF can be neatly hidden away so I don't have to deal with browsing a web page to view my own library. This is not possible in Epic, where CEF rules the entire interface. You've never written a line of code in your life, and you SHOULD back down now, but you're too batshit to do so.

>>714557109
You have to pay a fixed amount to spin the slot machine, and after you spin it you have a random chance to get an item which is generally nearly worthless, and very rarely highly valuable.
Literally the first fucking thing anyone does when they open a case and get a knife or other valuable item, is they go into their inventory and click on "Sell on community market" to see how much it is worth. The incentive is clearly the cash prize, and it is also readily tradable on third party websites for real money.
If this was just a cute way to get cosmetics then they wouldn't be tradable or sellable at all, which is how other games have implemented lootboxes.

>>714557294
He literally claimed that.
So where is my non-Goolag Steam client, Valve?
That works on Windows 2000, XP and 7?
Where is it Valve?
Is 30% not enough for your pajeets to make something like that, Valve?

>>714557143
>i don't know why people consider unions bad
Because every single company unions touch goes to shit either by company politics or the product they produce.
>If they didn't exist workers would have just been poisoned and lived shorter life span just so others can profit and live comfortable lives.
You retard they still do that only they feel good about it because they paid their union dues. Imagine believe someone who sells a product will eat the cost of the product and not pass it onto the consumer.

>>714557306
nope
Tomb Raider was based
mixed race waman being scientists and super smart is

>>714557361
So don't play slots, faggot.
>>714557390
>He literally claimed that.
No, I didn't. You can't speak American, and you're retarded.

>>714557361
>community market
So Valve isn't buying back those skins. It's not a slot machine then.

>>714557357
>Google spyware isn't actually needed
Where is that fucking non Google Steam client then, Valve?

>but but Epic
Epic has an open source client, without Google spyware. Try again.

Why isn't there an open source Steam slop client without the stench of pajeets?

>>714557390
Why can't I play switch 2 games on switch 1?

>>714557415
no what you are talking about is an industry standard thing. no one gives a shit about plastics in manufacturing of foods because they can shift the blame to any other part of the production process. The only thing that would have exposed this historically is an individual, a union or a scientist.

>>714557470
>get US dollars back for loot box contents
>can purchase even physical goods using these dollars
>no, no, this isn't gambling

>>714557143
There are plenty of bad and worthless unions. Not every industry needs to be unionized either, but even some of the lower end unions provide a very important system of checks and balances even if they are corrupt themselves, and believe me many of them are.

>>714557476
That open source client has a built-in browser to open epic store to buy games.

>>714557476
Show me the post where I said "Google spyware isn't actually needed" or anything close to it. Screencap that specific post.
You can't, because I never said anything close to that, and other native American-speakers have backed me up.

You are a liar, insane, poor, and brown. You shill a store you say you wouldn't ever buy from. You haven't posted your game collection, because you don't play games. You just lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.

>>714557507
Are you a bot? you make no sense.
All people want is games not getting broken and games working on the systems, where they were purchased on.

So to make it very simple for you.
Imagine buying a Switch 1 game on digital store (digital store is for simps, but whatever)
Now Nintendo locks up all Switch 1s and demands that you buy Switch 2s.

That's what Valve is doing.
and games also don't work correctly on Switch 2, which is why people are pissed.

>>714541978
That is a myth, the ruling was only applied to that state and nowhere else. Also the verdict was about how Ford can't arbitrarily cut out his investors. The real decline start in the 80s where General Electric switched to focus more in short-term profit and it made the CEO a shitload of money so people are still trying to copy it.

>>714557536
>buy physical games
>sell them to another person for dollars
>use dollar to buy goods
>I am gambling

>>714557142
So you agree that they can, in fact, sell it cheaper elsewhere, but they choose not to.
Thank you for conceding the point.

>>714557561
nope

>>714557618
Valve didn't lock games. Try again.

>>714539968 (OP)
>make good service
>lots of people started using it
>continue providing good service
>people keep using it
>make fuckloads of money as a result
Why does no other company ever seem to try this? Its always:
>make good service
>people start using it
>deliberately make it shittier for no reason while nickle-and-diming them as hard as possible
>user base collapses
>lose money
For some reason

>>714557664
so you have to buy games on epic's client? that's drm.

>>714557626
>buy physical games
you can't buy skins in Valve slop
you buy loot box keys

so to fix your retarded post:
>gamble for physical goods
>get a high priced physical good after wasting $500 (you don't even get what you actually want, and you can't get these physical goods any other way)
>sell it
>this is not gambling

>>714557618
The games I bought in 2007 still work on my same Steam account.
>but they make you MAKE YOU make you MAKE YOU make you MAKE YOU make you upgrade to new versions of Windows
>versions of Windows they have no stake in, and make not profit off
>despite offering linux as the poorfag alternative
>they MAKE you upgrade
>to sell hardware they don't make a dime off of, or OSes they don't make a dime off of
>they MAKE you
>you're forced

You're still pissed that you used Windows 7, which still functions in Steam.
>well, they didn't make me upgrade, which would be bad
>they lied and spared me, which is bad
You're FUCKING INSANE. GET SOME RISPERDAL.

>>714557515
>no what you are talking about is an industry standard thing
yeah, packing up the bags and moving to non union china or shutting down like all the unionized developers are doing. It has indeed become industry standard to be anti-consumer.
>no one gives a shit about plastics in manufacturing of foods because they can shift the blame to any other part of the production process. The only thing that would have exposed this historically is an individual, a union or a scientist.
And here we are in 2024 with more microplastics floating around in your testicles than ever along with unionized scientists shilling clots shots.
Union=Groupthink=book learned retard
These are the extra special type of retards who actually believe they're right which is why you can never tell them or get them to admit why they're actually wrong.

>>714557470
At least pachinko parlors pretend to not be associated with the redemption shop literally next door.

>>714557723
nope
I don't even have their client installed and I purchase fortnite skins all the time.

>>714557739
>The games I bought in 2007 still work on my same Steam account.
>this is about Steam slop accounts
you can still play these games on the computer that you had in 2007?
Highly doubt.
Half-slop for example was sold physically, but you were required to install Steam slop.
And the advertised platforms of that physical box are all INCAPABLE OF PLAYING the game nowadays.

>>714557739
No, I am on Windows 2000.
Another PC is on Windows 98
my physical games still work, unlike Steam-slop
>but but provide a better service than le pirates (or physical games)
>not Valve
Cope and seethe

>>714557734
>buy physical games
>could be fun
>could be boring
>this is gambling for physical goods

>>714557439
>So don't play slots, faggot.
>no argument
I can think things are bad and predatory even if I don't partake in it, retard. Promoting gambling on the #1 most popular PC FPS game is bad because many who play it are children and will fall into lifelong habits. There's no KYC in this. Gambling is only halfway tolerable to society if it's heavily taxed, but Valve isn't.

>>714557470
This is a loophole. If a casino argued that
>it's not gambling because there's a guaranteed prize
(even though that prize is generally 5% of the cost of the initial spin, but could be 100x also)
>it's not gambling because you need to step outside the casino to turn it into real money
(which they don't stop or control at all in any capacity, and which is what pachinko parlors do in Japan)
they'd be fucked up the ass by regulators. Valve has only gotten away with this shit and all their other blatant illegal practices because regulators just haven't paid enough attention.

>>714557827
that's also a scam.
but at least they don't let minors in.

>>714557834
Where did you buy them? Google Chrome?

>>714557926
>buy stuff
>buy loot box keys
>avatarfagging

>>714557834
>you can still play these games on the computer that you had in 2007?
It's 2025. I live in the first world. I play games. I want the best hardware to play games. You don't play games, and live in a tin shack on the side of a mountain. You think the world should cater to your poor ass, but nobody cares. We're not putting on a transgender opera for you anymore.
>>714557892
You need to learn to get your responses in one post, retard.
My physical games no longer work, because optical drives are like bellbottom jeans and bustles.
>>714557939
The game's only played by Russians, and we need to take all their money somehow.

>>714557827
>valve is associated with millions of people buying skins

>>714557939
>because regulators just haven't paid enough attention
nope, they are simply the Epstein's of vidya.

>>714539968 (OP)
OP confirmed as a fucking retard.

>>714557975
>there is only Google slop
>hurrrr Edge
I already said I don't use Windows 10+11 LGBTQ edition, retard

>>714543179
>>714545883
>>714546728
A quick guide to become a master of that pos board game (having a copy of the rulebook beside you helps to quell the other players)
>go for the cheapest monopoly you can get (3-property ones are your best bet, cyan blue one is the best), if you can get two it's even better
>buy four houses for each of your monopoly(ies), but NEVER upgrade them to hotels; repeat until house stock is empty
>as stated in the rulebook, no more houses can be built if the house stock (tokens in your box) is empty, thus no other players can ramp their monoplies with
>continue the game until all other players bleed out of cash in one of your 4-house properties one time too many and you get rid yourself of this pos board game

>>714558007
>games are fully known before playing

>>714553541
that’s all of microsoft

>>714539968 (OP)
Saying steam is a monopoly is like saying walmart is one too despite other stores existing

>>714558010
>My physical games no longer work, because optical drives are like
Even my floppy drives still work fine, are you retarded pajeet?

>>714558106
you didn't answer

>>714557742
Well yeah big money speaks and their opposition is a bunch of neanderthals in comparison. Modern unions get plenty wrong and fuck up the entire thing to get their way I can agree.
Their purpose is definitely fulfilled as a temporary entity and outstay their welcome.

>>714558060
>irrelevant /pol/cel shit
Can't you guys just stick to boards where that's the topic?
>>714558151
>dis nigga got floppies

>>714558121
>purchasing physical goods is like gambling
Steamie shill is mind broken beyond repair.
>when you buy a house, you are also gambling durrrrr therefore Valve gambling is like buying a house
>you see when you want house A, but then buy a house, sometimes you get house X or house Y, you need to keep on spending to get house A

>>714557719
A massive shift in how the stockmarket is viewed has occurred.
Stocks were once viewed as an investment in generational wealth. The value of the stocks was important for your entire lifetime.
A shift occurred where they are now treated almost like gambling. Shareholder value seeks to maximize profit over the short term, divest, and move on to the next company. There is absolutely no thought given to the value of the company in a hundred, or fifty, or even twenty years.
House flipping, but with public companies instead of real estate.
Valve is a private company. The owner has a direct incentive to maintain the value of his company long-term. Not only is it providing a livelihood to him, but when he dies, it will continue to provide for his children for as long as it exists.

>>714557939
Weapon skins are stock markets except skins are actually playable.

>>714558176
Use your googlag search engine to figure it out
Good browsers even let you fake the user agent (Goolag slop doesn't), right now I'm pretending to be an iPhone so that 4chan-slop lets me post.

Ok, but you wasting your life savings of 80 rubles on a weapon skin affects my ability to play games how?

>>714558214
>>purchasing physical goods is like gambling
That's what you said. I said lootbox is not slot machine.

>>714539968 (OP)
>popular = monopoly
quick someone sue mcdonalds for having a monopoly on food

>>714558271
>no argument
nice drm protected payment for fortnite skins bro

If valve gets slapped for the EU for the gambling shit they do, I don't give a fuck. Good on the EU.

They're also consistently been a great service for me. There has never really been a moment where I've gone "fucking valve" while using steam or the games on it which is pretty high praise after so long.

>Step 1: Be some rich guy with connection
>Step 2: Start a shell company specialize in "advisory and improve productivity"
>Step 3: Borrow the bank money and using the shell company as a collaborate (and the bank trust you because you're their friends)
>Step 4: Use the money to buy a real company
>Step 5: Sell off the assets and fire employee to reduce cost and make short-term gain
>Step 6: Showing you "results" and ask for payment because your company "improve" profit and productivity
>Step 7: Merge the shell company and the real company, making the real company now has to carry the debt of the shell company
>Step 8: Jump ship
Honestly I suprise that this is a completely legal way to make money.

>>714539968 (OP)
>profit-per-head
What about the capital outlays for their infrastructure? I haven't looked at their balance sheet or anything but I would imagine it takes a lot of equipment to maintain their service. I hope this number is based on their net income too and not revenue.

>>714558319
>Counter-Shitted is not a slot machine
blatant shilling is blatant

>>714558365
>standard web browsers are DRM

>>714558546
>when I call my bank using a phone, that's DRM too
>In fact when I walk to my bank and talk to the clerk, that's DRM as well

>>714558546
>digital
>have to log in to get the right to download
>it manages those rights via SSL
Sounds like it to me. Also, you're renting those skins. You only truly own things bought from Steam.

>>714558508
>see switch 2
>happy because reselling switch 2 to china will get me big money
>I am slot machining

>>714552701
Contractors aren't employees, why would they be included?

>>714558606
>manage rights via SSL
SSL is an encryption, dumb fuck and it's standard, not proprietary slop like Valve DRM client is

>>714558546
That's what you said about Steam. Can you use standard web browsers on window xp now?

>>714553474
Actually they are fighting price fixing.

>>714558627
>see switch 2
>that's gambling

>>714558630
Still get paid

>>714558679
yes

>>714558682
they are literally fighting cheaper prices ELSEWHERE, ergo they are fighting cheaper prices.

>>714540054
39000 75 iq indians

>>714558743
They're still 1099s. They're not entitled to company benefits, and taxes are completely handled on their end.
>>714558790
>they are literally fighting cheaper prices ELSEWHERE
They are literally fighting higher prices ON STEAM

>>714558839
Indie:
>I can sell my game for this price on Steam, Valve grabs 30%, so I have to set price accordingly
>I can also sell my game on EGS, Epic takes way less, so I can sell it cheaper

Valve:
>NEIN
>YOU ARE NICHT ALLOWED TO SELL YOUR GAME CHEAPER ELSEWHERE

(you)
>they are fighting for cheaper prices
(you)
retarded

>>714558790
post it with version number

>>714539968 (OP)
Valve is a pretty small private company with only 400~ employees. That's about as many as a single Walmart Supercenter location. Of course they have high revenue per employee.
Though $3.5 mil per employee is still not even 1/10 of what Onlyfans makes per employee because its the most revenue efficient company in the world by a 1000% margin.

>>714558924
You freely admit to not knowing how programs work (hence the CEF confusion), so why pretend you are involved with game development and have a stake in this?

I simply don't engage with any post that shills EGS while unironically using "steamies" in their post.
It's literally either a paid indian shill or that one schizophrenic that spammed all of /v/ everyday for months

>>714558924
Indies can't sell games on epic because egs doesn't have self-publish function. You'll have to wait for epic to come for you.

>>714558974
Walmart mans a store with like 50 or fewer people. Hell, my regular location has no human checkouts, so they have one person in the center of like 20 self checkouts (which means they probably have 30 employees or fewer).

>>714558721
keke true

>>714559034
A Walmart Supercenter is the largest version of the store and has about 3 crew of employees, morning, afternoon, then a night crew.

>>714539968 (OP)
Those of you not of the managerial class deserve to suffer for being lesser

>>714558924
They can sell their games cheaper outside of steam.
What they can't do is sell STEAM KEYS cheaper outside of steam.

>>714558974
>they are a mom+pop store
they are literally a corporation like Microsoft, but even more evil

>>714559173
>They can sell their games cheaper outside of steam.
false
Valve will ban your games if you do.

>>714559217
But Microsoft is the only company making desktop OSes for x86-64.

>>714559217
I wouldn't call Walmart a mom and pop store. They are not quite a corporation like Microsoft, Valve is not a publicly traded company, Gabe Newell doesn't have to answer to anyone really.
Either way that wasn't even the point, Microsoft has over 225000 employees and I don't even know if that counts all the companies that they own.
Apple has 164000.
Hell even fucking Epic Games has over 4000 employees, 10x what Valve has.
The point is that Valve has a tiny number of employees for how successful the corporation is, its very unusual.

>>714558924
Why would an Indie decide to sell a game for cheaper on another marketplace to get the same profit margin? Even if it drives sale to that other store they see no benefit to their profits. Unless by some magic that price is so low that it drives up overall sales, which basically isn't a potential reality due to how percentage margins work. So their options are either sell at that lower price on Steam and eat the difference, match prices on both and make more profit per sale on that other store, or not use Steam so they can offer at the lowest possible price. They literally have options.

>>714559429
>Epic creates tons of new content every 2 weeks
>Valve is lazy as a bum
>wow, Epic needs employees

>>714559598
>Why would GOG sell their own game cheaper on their own store????

>>714559604
>tons of new content
>look inside
>its just low effort skins ripped from more popular IPs

People don't seem to understand that natural monopolies are legal. If 5 companies sell bananas covered in shit and the 6th company sells clean bananas so it gets 100% of the banana sales, then it's not against the law

>>714559649
So in your example why is GOG trying to sell games on Steam to begin with?

the only illegal monopolies are ones that buy out/try to dissuade/try to hamper competition to remain the only one. if a company is 99% market share of it's products purely because they provide the best ones then nothing can be cond.

>>714559694
>it's just skins
lmao
>low effort
LMAO
>I either lie or never played Fortnite

>>714559740
>why would a company be interested in selling on the largest PC game store with >90% of market share?
I don't know, man. It will take years to figure this out.

>>714559740
because Steamie retards

>>714559775
>illegally force devs to not sell cheaper elsewhere
>no, that doesn't hamper competition

>Run an unregulated casino that allows even underage people
>Make money hand over fist
Woah
Impressive

hasbro has a monopoly on the boardgame market

>>714559912
>be dumbass shitty parents who raise dumbass shitty kids
>lose money hand over fist
woah
impressive

>>714559809
So them offering a supposedly substantially lower price isn't enough to bring them sales that would outweigh using the other platform? Sounds like they have a choice but want to have their cake and eat it too.

>>714559953
>sell porn and booze to kids
>no, no, you see this is legal
>the parents should have killed me, it's their fault

>>714559849
>illegally force devs to not sell cheaper elseware
that isn't illegal retard.
it would be illegal if they forced devs to sell at a higher price in other stores to forcibly make then the cheaper option.
Price Parity is a completely legal policy

>>714559997
>want to sell on multiple stores
>Walmart: NO, you can't sell this cheaper elsewhere
Weird that Walmart doesn't do that.

>>714559849
>illegally force devs to not sell cheaper elsewhere
Why can't they just drop their Steam price to match what it is being sold at elsewhere?

>>714560034
>tendie
>thinks about kids all day
HMMMMMMMMM

>>714559775
Steam isn't being sued because they have a dominant market position. They're being sued because of using that dominant market position to hinder competition (in this specific case, by the Humble Bundle guys).
>>714553474
>>714555954
>>714559257

>>714560062
>this isn't illegal
lmao
for a monopoly it's 100% illegal.

>>714560078
Huh, guess if you want that shelf space at Walmart and all the exposure it brings then you need to follow their terms of use. Imagine that.

>>714560101
>I failed at math

>>714560162
Why aren't they just dropping the price on Steam then? That appears to have always been an option.

>>714560179
>yes, you see first of all there is "shelf space" in my digital store
>it's highly limited!
>also I can demand whatever I want, as a monopoly, you will have to comply
>like I can demand that I can legally fuck your newborn, just comply now or we boot your games off our store!!!

>>714541978

>>714540107
>>714540153
>>714540304
Still a monopoly.

>>714560227
>I failed at math

>>714560167
The dev are free from selling their game anywhere not Steam but as long as they also sell at Steam, they have to follow the contract. Selling at lower price in somewhere else is violating that contract. Steam is a store and you can only sell your stuffs at the store if you agree to the term and condition set by the store.

Here's the solution
>shut down EGS
>shut down GOG
>shut down Nintendo
>shut down Sony
Problem solved. Get your games on Steam, and don't be some poorfag on Windows 2000 in 2025.

>>714560167
call the police

>>714560198
No, I understand that it eats into their profit margin. But their choice is price parity across platforms in order to utilise Steam, or don't use Steam if they believe they can make more money doing the cheap sale elsewhere. They aren't entitled to use Steam's marketplace. They do so on agreement.

>>714560364
>you have to follow the contract
it's not written in any contract, Valve employees threaten you via e-mail.
>monopoly can do whatever they want
they don't.
otherwise everything Microsoft did would have been legal too.

>>714559997
Yes? Do you think the Google Play and the App Store aren't monopolies and that offering software off of those stores is perfectly reasonable on those platforms?
Nearly every single popular game is on Steam and consumers have the greatest amount of investment in it. It has a monopoly position because of this, and they know this fact. This is why even the largest publishers like Ubisoft, EA and Microsoft had to cave and sell on there. This is why they throw around their weight to not allow other services to compete better than them. They also collaborate with these big publishers and offer them a better cut than they do to smaller studios, which is monopolistic behaviour.
Convincing gamers to sign up to other services is a tall order, the same way asking someone to install a third party app store with an .apk is unreasonable on Android.

>>714560405
>I understand that they would lose money
Business:
>this is the price we need to be profitable
>let's add taxes and Valve tax and other shit onto that price
>Epic takes less, so the end price will be less
>wait, Valve forces us to not sell it cheaper elsewhere
>so let us make it cheaper on Steam, that will make it not profitable for us, but that's ok

How about Valve drops the 30% instead?
they obviously can, because they take less from big corporations like Ubislop.

>>714559783
you proved his point

>>714560421
>>monopoly can do whatever they want
I never say this. What I said is that because Steam is the store, it's their right to chose who they want to do business with and allowed to set the rule with their partner. The partner is free from choosing whether or not they want to accept the deal or not. Again, the devs want to work with Steam because it's the best flatform to sell their games but they are freely to use other store like Epic or GOG. Why should Steam do all the advertise for some other store to make money?

I wonder what life is like under Gaben's wing.

>>714560526
not at all
>an emote is a skin
>new world map is a skin
>new gameplay is a skin
>new game items are skins
>new story is a skin
>new game modes are skins
see how stupid you are?

Of course a Steamie can't understand this.
Some companies are actually successful because they deliver high quality, unlike Valve.

>>714560593
>a monopoly can do whatever they want
they don't.
>everything Microsoft did was legal too
nope

>>714560263
just sell it at a different store??

>>714560684
BUT THEY HAVE A CANDYLAND AND A PARCHEESI!!!!!!

>>714560684
>just skip the monopoly
>just don't make a Windows game

>>714560610
name one

>>714540604
The moderation on their forums is anything but consumer friendly. Woke and ban any non-leftist on sight. Anyone complaining about trannies and faggots being in a game gets "haha joker le funny award" from leftists who spam the report button and they get removed pronto.

>>714539968 (OP)
Its not, just every competitor kills themselves off by doing literally everything worse than Steam.

>Have sales
>Have all games on there
>Have no exclusives
>Dont be a virus or bitcoin miner for the Chinese Communist Party
>Actually obey Federal consumer protection laws when it comes to refunds
>Actually stay online and usable for over 20 years
>Give it a normal looking non-zoomer non-phone app non-corporate UI

Congrats, you're now 1:1 on the same level as Steam, from there all you have to do is make your product better.

>>714560663
Again, the dev have the ability to pick another store, no one is stopping them. You can't expect Steam to advertise for your games and then you go buy the game from the Epic because it cheaper there. No bussiness would agree to that kind of deal.

>>714560730
>name one
what?

>>714560757
>just don't make a Windows game
>make it a FreeBSD game instead

>>714560729
i mean, yeah?

>>714560745
Yeah, but what about random children exposed to gambling?????? Surely you're thinking about children all day, right??????
>>714560843
I've played more FreeBSD-exclusive games than Steamies schizo has played games period.

>>714560843
Actual retarded comparison.

>>714541382
They don't. It's also a market tactic to deprive talent for competitors to rise against them. A brief history of this: back in the 2010s Facebook got a lot of flack from them for not limiting itself to the market hiring practices. They spent a buttload of money poaching talent (much like they are doing now, except against OpenAI). There was even a lawsuit against Google and Apple because of this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30843644
>Four of the world's biggest tech giants - Apple, Google, Intel and Adobe - have agreed to a new settlement of $415m (£273.5m) in an attempt to resolve a lawsuit.

>>714556374
So true

>>714541978
Based beyond belief.

>>714560593
Valve is free to set terms and choose business partners, business are free to sign deals with Valve, and the US Government is free to legally punish Valve if those terms and deals are anti-competitive. Its that 3rd part you're amnesiac about.

>>714539968 (OP)
Not one is stopping you from using EGS poojesh

Gabe Newell/Sarah Bond 2028

>>714560995
Except those terms aren't anti-competitive, it's normal terms. Why should Valve advertise for your games when you then redirect all of their buyers to the cheaper store? No bussiness would accept that. By that logic no store would bother to advertise themselves, just let Valve do all of that and they reap the benefit.

>>714561150
>it's normal terms
>price fixing is normal
>why would a digital slop store allow you to set prices however you want????
>reminder: Valve is very customer friendly with their more expensive game prices and anti-competitive "rules"

>>714561150
>sell game on store
>you are more expensive, because you are greedy as fuck
>customers go elsewhere
>that's not my fault, it's the fault of the evil developer!!!
>redirect
there is no redirection taking place.
Speaking of redirection: tons of games on itch.io redirect to Steam-slop, weird that this is okay
btw. itch.io can take up to 0%

>>714561317
I mean, you can sell it cheaper if you want to. Just don't sell it at the steam store.

>>714560743
They'll even send you snooty emails if you don't violate TOS.

>>714561426
Valve is responsible for more expensive prices, you buffoon.

>>714561317
Then stop selling at Steam and use Steam to advertise your games then? Why do Devs wants to put their games on Steam in the first place if they undercut them so much? Wouldn't it be better to just cut out Steam and sell at Epic? Answer me these questions then.

>>714561471
>engage with the with the forum
Steamit moderator had a stroke

>>714561471
I report them as harassment every time they ban me. They wouldn't dare make it personal if they value their job.

>>714561493
Then don't sell it on steam. Sell it cheaper on egs or itch or whatever.

>>714561493
Again, the dev can set their price lower if they don't work with Steam. But they don't.

>>714561581
>amazon is more expensive, because amazon is greedy as fuck
>noooo, if we allow you to sell your game on here, you are advertising ***for free*** and everyone will buy it elsewhere
>that's not our fault, that's yours

>>714561150
>Except those terms aren't anti-competitive, it's normal terms.
That's why the case is still in court, to determine if these terms are anti-competitive or not.

>>714561660
anyone with a brian can clearly see that it's anti-competitive and an abuse of monopoly.
otherwise they simply couldn't do what they are doing, and what they are doing is keeping their monopoly a monopoly.

Just imagine everything 20% cheaper on Epic Games Store, that's already the case for all Fortnite items.

>>714561582
If you call out devs scamming tax payers through government grants, some EU jannies glitch out. They know they can't ban people for calling it out, so being stripped of their small bit of power crushes what remains of their ego.

>>714561649
You still haven't answer the questions buddy. Why do they want to use Steam? Is it because of the advertise and exposer?

>>714561660
MFN clauses aren't illegal anyway. Especially if it isn't systemic.

It's only really a problem for the law when it becomes an under the table deal between Valve a big publisher.

>>714560743
>says bigoted shit
>gets angry that he gets banned for saying bigoted shit, despite there being clear rules stating it isn't allowed
>plays victim

right wingers are faggots.

>>714561737
>Just imagine everything 20% cheaper on Epic Games Store
It can if the dev choose to stop working with Steam but they don't.

>>714553931
>tranny against tranime
doubt

>>714561823
>bigot
Long way down.

>>714561904
>A place has rules
>I violated the rules of the place
>I got banned
>It's somehow the faults of the place

>>714561904
someone post the tweet of that tranny on the bridge

>>714561758
monopoly

Notice how we're no longer on
>BUT THE POOR KIDS ARE GAMBLING AND BEING EXPOSED TO PORN
and now on
>the moderators banned me for saying "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER"
This guy has no actual argument. He's grasping at straws because he's (again) insane.

>>714561989
>reeee
>talking about how something that was forced into a game for an agenda is bigoted!!!!!
>against the rules!!!!
>reeeeeeee
Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

>>714561826
>just stop "working" with Steam-slop monopoly
as soon as the monopoly falls, it's over.
GOG 30% cheaper
EGS 20% cheaper

Steamies
>nooooooooo

everyone else
>YES

>>714539968 (OP)
Why does success intimidate you?

>>714561737
>Just imagine everything 20% cheaper on Epic Games Store
Then why aren't publishers choosing to sell exclusively on EGS since that price reduction would apparently skyrocket sales compared to having to follow Steam's terms of service?

>>714539968 (OP)
>paying millions to his employees means he can afford a lot of boats
???

>>714562019
If you can't answer the question then stop. The answer is quite simply, because Epic can't promote games for shit. In theory the dev can get more money from Epic but in practice, without Steam promotion and user base, the games would flop. That mean those dev are still using Steam service. No one stop people from making a better service than Steam but for some reason copying Steam seem like too much work.

>>714557143
>workers would have just been poisoned
why would a business willingly kill its employees lmao

>>714562102
>you need to ignore the monopoly!!!
kys

>>714540054
Apple and Google earn much, much more money than Valve.

>>714562030
>get banned for demanding Inzoi take out trannies or make them paid dlc
>HAHA HE SAID NIGGER GUISE NO ARGUMENT
>get banned for demanding bethesda return Oblivion to its original gender selection
>HAHA NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER BAN HIM
You have no friends. No family. No support. Only lies and seething. Just end it. It's a pretty view.

>>714562232
Not willing, more like uncaring. So what if their employees die? They can replace them.

>>714562069
>as soon as the monopoly falls, it's over
but that makes no sense
devs could've just sold on egs instead of steam at any point and made mad money if pricing was indeed the issue

>>714562313
>rubs hands

>>714562275
>angrily posting
>can't fit in
>can't make conversation without raging
>"but you have no friends"
The Calcium T.

>>714557621
The state of the ruling is where most big corpos have their HQ, precisely for that reason.

>>714562261
But anon, it won't be a monopoly then if everyone just swaps over to selling on EGS for the super reduced price that will magically skyrocket sales.

>>714562275
>HE WANTED TO MISGENDER MISPRONOUN MEEEEE
>THAT'S LITERLALY MURDER

I really wish Epic would invest more in their platform to bring it to steam feature parity. All their resources probably go to keeping up with fortnite content schedules.

I wish more of my money went to developers.

>>714562261
>>714562349
still not answering the question lol
why not just sell at egs if the lower cut would offset the lower sales total?

>>714539968 (OP)
>make best product
>get called a monopoly by people making shit products

>>714562397
>super reduced price compared to Steam-slop
>oh wait
Why not allow cheaper prices elsewhere, according to you nothing is going to happen.

>>714562460
>cheaper prices elsewhere are not a problem
so why is Valve against that again?

>>714539968 (OP)
Success breeds jealousy
You want to compete?
Make a competent opposition to it

>>714558924
>I'm a brown ESL faggot Mexican spic with no reading comprehension.

>>714562446
Sorry anon, best they can do is force developers to include unnecessary EGS server installers in games that have multiplayer that are sold on EGS even if you bought it on Steam and never turn on EGS crossplay.

>>714560743
>giving a shit about steam forums
Go make friends in real life you fucking useless nigger

>>714540440
You have no obligation to put your games on steam anon

>>714562534
Because you are still using THEIR service to sell your game. Want to sell cheaper anywhere else? Fine. But don't use THEIR service to do so.

>>714562484
But they can have cheap prices if they want. They just have to make sure the price they sell for on Steam matches it. Or they can choose to just not use Steam if that is such a deal breaker.

>>714562479
>best
>shit spyware
>shit prices
>shit online DRM

>>714562681
But enough about EGS.

>>714562681
And still no one can deliver a better service

>>714562649
>wow, you sell game at Walmart
>you can't do that if you sell the game cheaper elsewhere

>>714562670
>cheaper prices don't matter
>except that they do

>>714562681
Hey there Xi JinTim.

>>714539968 (OP)
I’m convinced that commies have no idea what any of the words they use are

>>714562352
>y-you're raging!
>nobody can m-make fun of me without being mad!
lmao

>>714562812
But they can make it as cheap as they want on Steam. So why aren't they doing that?

>>714560308
What is the solution? Force some developers to not put their games on Steam to make it fairer?

>>714554578
Das rite bruh now stop crashin out

>>714563043
The solution is to make gaben give me money.

>>714562047
yes, different forums have different rules. remember in the old online gaming days where you would just find a server that suited your needs? well go find a forum that suits your needs. you wanna be a bigoted faggot? there's many places to do so.

>>714563353
>bigoted
follow your own words and go back to preddit/bluesky/hugbox and kill yourself.

>>714563520
nah, at this point i continue to live to spite people like you. cry about it, chud.

>>714562904
You literally went on a forum about a game and went
>WHY ARE THESE NIGGERS AND TRANNIES IN MY GAME FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK
You're pissed off in THIS conversation. You're angrily responding to everyone calling you the idiot that you are. Of course, you MUST be correct, and it's everyone else that's retarded.

>>714562731
>And still no one can deliver a better service

They can, Steam are just holding people hostage on their platform by being their first and not allowing the games to be ran independently of the launcher.

>>714563739
>plenty of games can run independently of the launcher
>in fact, the last game I ran has the exact same files as GOG, including the GOG icons
What you don't understand is that gamers want games. Valve sells gamers games. Gamers game on Steam because Steam has games.
GOG has no games.
Epic is literally the same thing as Steam with fewer features and a worse launcher (OPEN SORES!!!!!!!!!!! Nobody cares).

TL;DR Gamers want games. You want to fight a war against Valve. You've shown no indication you've ever played a video game in your life, but you're really invested in taking Valve down for insane schizo reasons that you change depending on how many field goals have been kicked on your shitty special (and I mean SPECIAL) teams unit.

>>714539968 (OP)
I was born before irritating middleware, so I hate Valve as much as newfags hate whatever the Ubisoft storefront is/was called.

That being said the headline has nothing to do with Valve being a monopoly. Just that they have 1000x less (or however many) employees than those big companies, making each much richer on average. Not sure how OP's usual retardation lead him to make this thread

>>714539968 (OP)
You mad bro?

>>714562914
Valve greed

>>714563693
actually:
>hey, please be more accurate to the original and change the body type nonsense into gender
BANNED FOR HATESPEECH

>>714563994
actual gamers like ownership and hate online DRM
Valve doesn't deliver on that, which makes Valve the poor choice, unless you are gay and want children and porn.

>>714564220
i like steam because of community features like forums, user reviews, porn, steam sales, valve games, and steam vr.

>>714564105
But if the publisher is able to make more money solely selling elsewhere at a lower price then why don't they go do that?

>>714564220
No, gamers play games. "Ownership" can never be quantified except "they can't take my games away." So? Valve WON'T take my games away. They've had 22 years to take games, and they haven't yet. Steam has games that GOG will never have.
>but don't play that goyslop
I don't sour grapes my way through life, and there are modern games I enjoy, and they're not on GOG, and likely never will be.
>but the goyslop and the jews and the shills and the pajeets and the gloyvin

Isn't Valve like a gambling company as well?

>>714564423
i use both steam and GOG, since they each have their own strengths. GOG is mostly my retro game platform since theres alot of old games on there that arent on steam. like jazz jackrabbit and jill of the jungle.

>>714558804
and 75 39000 iq indians

>>714564545
Mate, if you want retro games that you own, buy big boxes

>>714539968 (OP)
Literally all that has to happen is other launchers need to stop shitting pants for one second.
There's dozens of them. They're all shit except maybe GOG.

>>714564328
>wow, I need forums, because there is just no other way for forums where you get banned for asking simple questions
>it's like NeoGAF, which is based
>except you pay for it

>>714564369
>cheaper prices don't matter at all
therefore Valve could simply stop price fixing.
let everyone see how much Valve is ripping off indies.

>>714553541
Xbox released several very fun games this year alone and last year as well.

>>714563693
>you said nigger!!!
>WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY
>HOYL FUCK GUISE LOOK HOW MAD THIS PERSON IS HAHA
Why are troons always lying so much?

>>714564759
But they can sell it for a cheap as they want on Steam so why don't they do that?

>>714539968 (OP)
>monopoly is when success
>monopoly is when you don't hire 8000 indians

>>714564647
id buy big boxes if i:

1. had the space
2. had the retro PCs to play them on
3. had the money

i'm not LGR, i dont have the financial or spacial needs required to have a retro PC game collection.

>>714562884
A lot of modern discourse is about nothing but feelings
Use words that feel good to get people to support their own destruction
Use words that feel bad to turn them against whoever you need attacked

>>714564058
Except Tim was right and won that battle against Apple

>>714564545
That's understandable, but there's a literal psychopath in this thread that's out to kill Valve because he runs Windows 2000.

>>714564704
its nice to have the forums in one place. i can just go to any game in my library and go to its forums and see what people are saying. its pretty pogalicious if you ask me.

>>714564849
why can't Valve simply stop price fixing?
No one will buy on these other stores anyway, right? that's your argument, therefore no reason to not allow cheaper prices elsewhere.

>>714565018
>forums in one place
gamefaqs

bonus: they also ban you regarding leftie nonsense, so it's exactly like the Steam slop forums, except you can easily create another account when you get banned.

>>714556576
If you're fine with the place being overrun by bots trying to scam you or compete for attention to get that sweet ad revenue, then sure. It made a shitton of humans drop your service though and I don't think advertisers ever fully went back.

>>714565036
>price fixing
Valve has secret deals with other digital marketplaces to set the price of games above a certain point?

>>714565013
and that psychopath should kill himself. people have a hate boner for valve because theyre the most popular pc gaming platform, and no other platform outside of GOG even comes close.

>>714565013
>when you want that games keep working on the hardware they were bought on, you are a psychopath

>>714562649
It's funny how you can do it for physical products but can't do it for digital products for some reason.
>Negotiate different prices with two different stories as a supplier of any goods
>It is perfectly fine
>Do it on Steam
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
They absolutely are an abusive monopoly.

>>714565120
>buy Space Marine 2 on my phone while I'm at work
>game doesn't run on my phone
>money stolen

>>714565075
i'm not a piece of shit. i dont get banned for saying nonsense because i dont say hateful nonsense. so i dont need to bother making another account anyway.

>>714565169
Companies literally open offices in Bentonville, AR to negotiate with Walmart on prices.
But Steam saying "don't use us to get the word out then sell somewhere else at a lower price" is evil.

>>714565178
>nonsense from a Steamie
buy game for hardware X
Valve remotely bricks hardware X
buy hardware Y to keep the game
oops, game crashes on hardware Y
just buy a remaster

>>714539968 (OP)
>make smart business decisions in an age where AAA studios overhire like crazy and will do anything to deepthroat investor cock
>make profit by literally doing nothing while AAA morons reap what they sow and their CEOs keep lining their pockets anyway
What is the problem here? Is Valve supposed to act retarded on purpose to close the gap?

>>714565267
Or you could just learn to computer up a solution. I'm better at computering than you, apparently.

>>714565217
question pronouns
>you are a piece of shit
t. tranny

>>714565246
And in the end those companies end up selling in more places than Walmart at different prices.

>>714555109
Marx was bluepilled as fuck on mass ownership.

>>714539968 (OP)
don't care.
only GoG is even trying to compete.

>>714565365
But generally not lower. I shop at 5 different grocery stores, and Walmart is the lowest everyday price for the vast majority of my goods.

>>714565307
>just install a fan patch exe with a bitcoin miner
>oh noes, the fan patch now crashes too
>well just reverse engineer the game and fix it yourself
>that'll be 30% + tip
only a moron would waste their time on Steam-slop nonsense caused by online DRM slop

>>714565421
>same patches come preinstalled by GOG
>some out of date, or using original DOSbox when it hasn't worked on modern systems in ages
>"that's just good business, sweaty :3"

>>714565365
noooo, that would be fascism.
you aren't allowed to sell cheaper elsewhere, otherwise we kick you out (says no one at retail, weird)

>>714565476
>lies
keep on lying troon
>use Dosbox for Windows games
meds

>>714565421
I've used Steam for 14 years and this has happened to me exactly one time, except there wasn't a bitcoin miner because I'm not a retard. You buy the game it just werks.

>>714543446
>Mono = money
good post

>>714539968 (OP)
remember when netflix had a monopoly and there was only one subscription to pay? that was terrible.

>>714565546
>I would notice when there is mal and spyware in my fan patches or Steam itself
doubt

>>714565537
>can't read the beautiful American language the Bible was written in
>seethes
Also
>still hasn't posted his game library in any form
If it's physical, I want a paper timestamp and an exposed electrical outlet in view.

>>714565650
Oh shit, I'm sorry. I didn't realise you were schizophrenic. Get well soon!

>>714539968 (OP)
People are going to be really sad at what becomes of Valve post GabeN

>>714565787
>his son's going to sell it to race cars
>even though it prints money for him to race cars
>but he'll do it
>2 more weeks

>>714565787
it can't get any worse.

>>714553590
thank god that epic doesnt allow crypto and nft games, which all of them are just mtx, battle passes, lootboxes and gambling but 10x worse, that would ruin you argument

The easiest solution for Valve would be to ban all known VPN ranges as well as non-US IPs.
>SKG: dead
>Steamies schizo: suicide
They might lose $50 a year since non-Americans are poor, but that's worth it.

>>714565963
thankfully Valve bans games at random for no reason.
that's great.
Some would call it FOMO.

>>714566132
>"games"
ftfy

>waaah someone's making money!
how to spot a broke bitch

>>714565963
that's because steam items are just NFTs tied to valve servers instead of being a string of text you can exchange on the blockchain. valve wants those items on their platform so they can get a cut from community market sales. it's not tied to quality concerns either, because valve allows an unfathomable amount of garbage on steam.

>>714566223
>valve allows an unfathomable amount of garbage on steam
Thank god Epic doesn't.

>>714565314
trans woman, so yes. inb4 ywnbaw, inb4 42%, inb4 any uncreative trans insult youll inevitably use.

>>714566151
>it's not a game, when the Valve tranny doesn't like it

>>714565082
Are you retarded on purpose? It's been said on this thread and many times before that valve threatens to pull games from steam if they're sold cheaper anywhere else as proven in the court documents. Probably the main reason why EGS bothers with coupons and cashback instead of simply selling games for cheaper.

>>714566223
therefore it's Valve's NFT, therefore VALVE CREATED NFTs LMAO

>>714566471
when Lara Croft finds your body in the ground, she will figure out that this was a disabled ugly man with no benis. Must have had a horrible car accident.

>>714566551
It's not a game when it's japanese.

>>714566568
and the coupons are on Epic, not on the game dev.
>why does Timmy make negative income regarding the store hurrrr

>>714566598
pretty much except retards will defend it because they were underage when they wasted money on their precious digital trinkets

>>714566652
slightly more creative than the usual. an attempt was definitely made.

>>714540054
Bro steam just manages steam. Google is a massive tech company that works and manages hundreds of projects simultaneously, a lot of which are never even released to the public.

I know people like to throw around the word monopoly willy nilly because it definitely is easy to conceptualize and puts up a certain mental image, in some ways you could argue steam indeed is a monopoly, but the issue with monopolies, especially the ones that are organic or natural and not the result of market manipulation or horizontal/vertical consolidation is that they have to act a certain way to be punished. Steam doesn't engage in anti-competitive practices, and doesn't meaningfully use its market leader position to damage competitors or consumers.

>>714557143
Unions have the same problem as everything else, they get corrupt over time, but most people are pro union unless its for law enforcement. Also the government can just shut them down whenever they want like that railroad one, so really they are kinda pointless

>>714566568
>It's been said on this thread and many times before that valve threatens to pull games from steam if they're sold cheaper anywhere else as proven in the court documents
Which isn't price fixing. You should perhaps look up what price fixing is before you start spouting if off.

>>714558996
>that one schizophrenic that spammed all of /v/ everyday for months
He still does, he's just hyperfixating on Steam achievement rates now for some reason.

>>714567039
>Steam doesn't engage in anti-competitive practices
>fixing prices is not anti-competitive
LMAO

>>714540763
Trve nvke

>>714565076
It was always overrun by bots. Didn't change much there. Humans and advertisers dropping wasn't related to the reduction of staff.

>>714567774
>price fixing
>steam
Examples?

>>714560227
Because use your fucking head, the actual thing being said is "our 30% cut is sacrosanct and you're not allowed to price your game proportional to how much we charge you compared to how much another storefront might charge you". They don't want to compete and can use the threat of a total ban from steam to prevent devs and publishers from trying.

>>714539968 (OP)
Make a service that can take a fight against Valve then

>>714568216
>Just make a competitor
Nothing can compete with steam because its size makes publishing games on it that much more profitable. EGS has to pay devs to host their games and while GOG is a nice alternative, it still pales compared to steam in sales. Steam also offers a bunch of neat features like the workshop.
But I'm with this anon >>714567039
in regards to steam. They can potentially enshittify an entire industry, but thankfully they're very comfy with the status quo. There's apparently some gambling issue surrounding it, but it doesn't affect the majority of people, so it's not that bad.

ITT:
Zoomers don't know what Monopoly means so they just start claiming Valve is one just because they're the most successful.

Kids clearly didn't learn jack shit in school these days.

>>714539968 (OP)
its not a monopoly because valve doesnt actually prevent competitors from entering the space.
their own greed prevents from from competing with a company that values the customer over corporate's bottom line.

>>714541978
>shareholder primacy
What if companies were "customer primacy" instead? Would the capitalist machine collapse?

>>714568061
everything

>>714568731
Bigger issue is thinking that all monopolies are bad

>>714569148
You're not really making your point clear without elaborating.

>>714566864
>Bro steam just manages steam.
if it were that simple there'd be numerous alternatives

>>714570136
It is that simple. They were innovators and the first to market. Today, creating the same platform is hardly a challenge. The real issue is overcoming inertia. You just can't buy steam's community ecosystem; mods, comments, discussions, reviews, etc.
The same story as Xitter vs. Bluesky, Gab etc. or YouTube vs. its alternatives.
Myanimelist vs. it's alternatives. Letterbox and it's alternatives.