Thread 714544317

How the FUCK am I supposed to dodge bullets I can't even see half the time? It's pure bullshit. Fuck this game.

play them if you want to go insane

>>714544317 (OP)
Shmup fans never recommend beginner friendly games, even fighting and strategy enthusiasts will tell you what to start with.

>>714544317 (OP)
play batsugun special version its cool

>>714544689
the genre doesnt have that

>>714544317 (OP)
Play a better game.
https://youtu.be/9iL8aoVAsCY

Blame them for not hearing about bullet visibility

>>714544317 (OP)
Do you think those are eyes you're using now?

yagawa autism is not shmups

>>714544859
novice raiden

I never played this but the OST is so damn good.

>>714544689
rolling gunner
blue revolver
crimzon clover

all have easy modes that dont suck ass

>>714544689
devil blade reboot, cosmo dreamer and like dreamer are very lenient with their auto-shield systems, and angel at dusk has a good shmup fundamentals tutorial, just don't use the first ship on the list at the beginning, use the one with little ships and bombs

>>714544689
Zero Ranger and Gunvein are pretty good for absolute beginners imo.
Id recommend Mushihimesama if you're looking for a bit more "spice" in your shmup

>>714544317 (OP)
i think the saturn ver has a toggle to make enemy shots contrast more with backgrounds

Player bullets should have alpha set to 0.5 in shmups, or alpha gradient so that the player bullets close to the player are more transparent.

>>714544317 (OP)
You're not supposed to start with battle garegga you fucking twit.
When you learn to play the guitar you don't start out by trying to play a van halen solo.

>>714544689
You're an idiot.
https://vsrecommendedgames.miraheze.org/wiki/Shmups_101#Entry-level_games

>>714549531
It's a shameless ripoff of actual detroit techno from the 90s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw55wqO5yzU

>>714544317 (OP)
Could somebody please explain to me why that's a prop plane? An aircraft with that design and configuration would clearly be a jet

>>714544317 (OP)
that game is dogpoop though. play something from Toaplan, Psikyo, Video System, Seibu, Konami, Capcom, or Taito.

>>714554956
One (1) track out of sixteen is similar to that particular techno track. Cmon now there's no need for the hyperbole

>>714555061
Rule of Cool goes before any sensibility in design in Nip media. It's retarded, yeah, but it worked for our retarded younger selves.

Shmups are so fun that for as far I can remember, I always did something like this:
>play a shmup that looks cool and difficult enough on the side, along with other games or watching anime
>learn it at a very relaxed pace, stage by stage, section by section, just focusing on doing one thing right at a time and watching it slowly come together
>eventually decide to give my full attention to shmups for a month or two, that's when I get all the 1ccs I wanted and sometimes a few more
>go back playing them on the side

>>714544689
Deathsmiles is great for beginners, it's a top tier shmup but has a dramatic difference between the easy modes, which anyone should be able to beat, and the hardest modes, which are insane.

>>714544689
Tyrian.

>>714557726
Tyrian isn't really a "beginner" shmup, there's nothing that you can learn for other games and as a shmup it just really shitty in general
It's a "shmup for people who don't like shmups"

How are the Cotton games? They look cute.

>>714558174
Tyrian is a shmup. Don't get confused with Bullet Hell.

>>714558350
Not particularly good, not particularly bad. Moderate to easy difficulty, for shmup standards. You play for cute.

>>714558524
Even outside of bullet hell, you're not learning shit from Tyrian
How are you going to apply grinding currency to buy OP weapons and tanking three billion enemy shots to any other shmup?

>>714544859
poohoo

>>714559054
Why do I need to learn shit from a game?
It's just fun entertainment. Don't be a sperg.

>>714559079
Actually a bad entry level shmup that only gives you a wrong idea of the genre, and overall just a trash franchise.
You will just end up thinking having shitty stages, effectively being a glorified boss rush against bullet sponges with tons of healthbars, and focusing on puzzle-like bullet patterns is the norm. You might also get way too used to slow ass enemy bullets.

>>714559283
>You might also get way too used to slow ass enemy bullets.
Jumping into Psykio games from Touhou was a pretty fun experience. Great gameplay and stage, but the random ultra fast bullet barrages, lmao.
Touhou is still shit, though. Not even sure why I have a 1cc for that series.

>>714559193
Retard-kun, you said that Tyrian would be a good beginner shmup, i.e. that you think it has things you can learn and apply to others. That is the entire argument going on here.

>>714559530
>you said that Tyrian would be a good beginner shmup
I didn't say that. I only said Tyrian was a shmup here >>714558524

>>714559589
Nice goal-post shifting faggot
Tyrian does not apply as a shmup for the purposes of this thread, as in discussion amongst people who actually like playing shmups.

>>714559512
Lol I can imagine. Psikyo infamously has no bullet deceleration most of the time and is mainly about positioning in advance, killing enemies quickly, and tapping along as opposed to slow methodical reading in drawn out boss fights.

>>714559672
I was about to agree with you regarding that it wasn't a "beginner friendly" shmups going with your arbitrary definition (still a fun one, mind you). Original anon probably already fucked off to somewhere else.
Not sure why you have a stick up your ass, but who am I to judge?

>>714560119
NTA but
>arbitrary definition
What about it is arbitrary
When someone says "beginners X" the meaning 100% of the time is "thing of X that people who haven't tried X before will be able to enjoy and will teach/lead them to enjoy more complicated X"
Tyrian barely has a relation to the base, core philosophy of the average shmup, its basically not even the same genre of game

>>714544317 (OP)
the m2 port has an option for pink cave bullets

For me, it's the P-51.

>>714560825
Yes but the best Psikyo "plane" is Junis.

>>714560503
>thing of X that people who haven't tried X before will be able to enjoy
I can agree with this, but this is just me thinking beginner = easy
>will teach/lead them to enjoy more complicated X
I mean, yeah, this can be seen in mathematics and physics, but in games? Not sure. Some people right off the bat abhor simplistic, beginner "boring" designs. I can agree with you 2/3 on this.
But that's enough semantics. I wasn't even arguing about the "beginner" part.
>Tyrian barely has a relation to the base, core philosophy of the average shmup, its basically not even the same genre of game
Core philosophy of the average shmup??

On the topic of beginner shoot em ups. The guy whose playing every pc engine game had a couple Sega ones that were easy and felt like good introductions to the horizontal shooters. I think one was called Heli's adventure or something.
>>714544915
Based. I remember grabbing it because of the name when getting a bunch of gen games and I ended up being my favorite.
>>714549853
Angel at Dusk is cool and yeah the tutorial actually makes you interact properly. Made up for the fact that the cruelty squad guy pussied out of making a shump
>>714559283
I agree with you, even the designed to be beginner th game is the worst for what you say. I don't think even has the most beautiful patterns either, which is the one appeal for me. Never liked Danmaku Unlimited because it felt like it tried to have both slices of the pie and never had any interesting puzzles to solve.

>>714544859
novice modes on the cave ports that have them + crimzon clover's are pretty good

Play G-Darius

How do I stop
>die once
>immediately alt-f4
and actually use continues as opportunities to learn later stages? My fingers just move on their own
That said, managed to reached stage 6 in Strikers 1945 today. Pretty happy, but I can't help but notice the game slowly turns into Bullet Hell from a somewhat manageable bullet density in the starting stages.

>>714563829
Either practice later stages through save states so you don't have to play the early ones every single time, or don't think about clearing the game at all, continue every time until you get a run where you beat every stage without needing it.

>>714563967
>save states
What's that?
>don't think about clearing the game at all, continue every time until you get a run where you beat every stage without needing it.
i'll try

>>714544317 (OP)
You are not supposed to, because those games are designed around you having to pay money for more attempts.
People who claim on the internet that they're into that shit are some of them weirdest hipster clowns you will ever encounter.

>>714564008
>What's that?
Emulator feature, you can start the game from the exact point you made a save state, that's extremely efficient for practice purposes compared to continuning.
Although it's not necessarily the most fun if you just want to play every stage and slowly do it better until it happens.

>>714564125
Define "designed around you *having* to pay money for more attempts"
99% of arcade games can be 1cced unless its abysmal shit like midway slop

>>714544689
CounterAttack lets you pick difficulty through different routes.

>>714544317 (OP)
Trial and error. You're supposed to dodge the bullets that you know are coming. If you try to dodge them when they are visible then in many cases of hard shmups it's already too late and you died roughly 5 seconds ago but you just didn't know it yet.
Luckily this isn't the case with all shmups, but to get better at the genre you just need to recognize patterns. This is why shmup fans shit and piss themselves when anyone suggests if it would be fun to play a shmup that has RNG level design.

>>714564995
>it would be fun to play a shmup that has RNG level design
Touhou is basically that

>>714564995
That's not related to OPs problem.
Sure, there are some cases of hard memo-shit with stuff like ex. you HAVE to know that some enemies come behind you at one point in Gradius III level 2 but that goes down massively as you enter into mid-90s and later shmups
OP is having issues with bad bullet visibility, which is fixed in other versions of the game

>>714544317 (OP)
Recommend me a shmup with after stage shops. I don't like to get stronger mid stage

>>714565206
Astro Avenger?
Tyrian

>>714565192
Yeah, fair enough. Bad bullet visibility is a problem, although I think games with good visibility are still difficult to parse if you're new. You just need to keep at it.

>>714544859
The first Gradius game is a comparatively easy 1cc

>>714550592
those are good but for an absolute beginner I'd recommend SKY FORCE RELOADED
quite absurdly I haven't found it in half an hour of googling and had to dig up the box to get the name... SKY FORCE RELOADED... so it's worth remembering IMHO >>714544317 (OP)

>>714544859
R-Type is incredibly graceful and exciting, really sucks you in

>>714544317 (OP)
>bullets I can't even see half the time
play Greg Type II

>>714563829
Don't save state scum practice.

>>714568468
The whole point is that he isn't doing that.