Thread 714567856

Why does /v/ hate this game?

>>714567856 (OP)
The devs are self aware and self hating commies, but still commies and that informs the game they made despite the nuance.
However it did find its following on /here/ in the depressed loser alcoholics that resonate with Harry.
You just got to fitter out all the
>Muh Commie Game
Noise.

Devs are commies and only reddit tankies like it this is well established. Equally well established is that for every subject that will ever come up on the internet there will be at least one deranged sex freak waiting to pounce and be first to comment in order to manipulate the unaware into going along with their insanity.

>>714567856 (OP)
Only /pol/cels do.

>>714567995
>>714568339
Is it just communism as an economic concept or is it this whole everybody is equal all the time and other leftist philosophical bullshit? I think I can deal with a few jabs at capitalism at this point but not if thats what the whole game is about.

>>714568339
jacking off to this post

>>714568602
The game treats economic communism as a beautiful dream and hypothetically the most moral which actually gets a lot of people killed when applied to reality and is mostly supported by losers and corrupt bastards seeking to inflate their own egos as much as they want to do good for their people.
It has some sympathetic things to say about other economic stances, besides the Neoliberal Stand in which is the great evil of the setting.

All the politics together is only 40% of the game with the rest being exploring a destitute post-war shithole, a journey of self discovery and redefinition for your mc, and supernatural sctizo shit.

>>714567856 (OP)
Should I? This is about the equivalent of 1.5 USD, but I'm afraid that's still 1.5 usd too expensive.

>>714569175
Lmao wtf? 1.5 USD is an absolute steal for this game

>>714569175
I almost bought it in a bundle for an extra $2 and decided against it. It looks boring and the fans are insufferable

>>714569175
Its a game worth pirating, like the game got put up on the internet archive for a while and the community celebrated. Its easy to find clean downloads.

>>714568968
well that sounds kinda like crap

>>714567856 (OP)
they never finished it and made sweeping assumptions about it based on hearsay

>>714569175
Not worth it. The amount of time spent on this boring piece of shit is time you'll never get back. They should pay you to play it honestly

>>714569175
>making a voluntary transaction for a communist game

Objective: Kill Dora Ingerlund

>>714569231
R*ddit told me to just pirate this game because the publishers supposedly stole the IP from the original devs
4chan told me to just pirate this game because it's commie propaganda

Curious...

>>714569175
Do not buy this game, the actual people that developed the game left ZA/UM forever ego. You're just financing some fraudulent Estonian investors.

>>714567856 (OP)
Because the people that claim to like it use the threads as an excuse to share their retarded interpretations of grade school phylosophy and economic theory. You're all subhuman and incapable of thought.

>>714569309
does the ending invalidate >>714568968 ?

>>714567856 (OP)
Because it's incredibly pretentious
Just look at the discussion about it. Even in this thread people are throwing around words like commie and making finger tents and swirling their wine glass while they discuss gay obscure politics on the internet
It's "i am very smart" the game

>>714569362
what country is this?

>>714569510
>communism
>obscure politics

>>714567856 (OP)
I just think its gameplay is shit.

>>714569510
Not every game needs to be bing bing wahoo, you're the same type of retard that would call Bioshock pretentious.

>>714569494
No but the actual message of the political stuff is that its all a cope and only something New can actually move forward.

>>714569618
>creator pretended to understand quantum physics
he'd be right

>>714569635
Hm well thats kinda good.

>>714569635
the actual message is that the devs are retarded

>>714569635
Also that everyone obsessed with politics and their perfect ideology that will rebuild society from the ashes is most likely just a failure of a person.

>>714569576
Talk about "commies" irl the way posters do in this thread and see how people react
99% of people will think you are a gay pretentious retard

>>714569834
we're talking about the message of the game not the message of real life

>>714569834
Why would the devs make the message of their own game that they are retarded? I think you're just being flippant

>>714569912
What does that even mean?

>>714569723
Yeah the game lets you lean towards a farcical version of Communism, Fascism, Neoliberalism, or Laissez Faire Capitalism or some mix therein and then shits on you repeatedly regardless of the one you picked as >>714569839 rings true.
It just treats Communism a bit nicer than the others and treats the Neoliberal one as the worst Including a special bad ending

>>714569958
Lovecraftian worldview.

>>714569984
Wait if you could just play this game as fascism or capitalism...

>>714570074
You get shit on like all the others because your character is again using them as a cope to get over his ex
So he gets into Fascism because women bad rhetoric appeals to his literal gut while capitalism is about him thinking that if he gets rich enough he can win her back

>>714570226
Well I'm not gonna read a spoiler but I just thought if those options are available from the beginning I don't know why this game would exclusively have a communist reputation.

>>714569175
If you hate commies you should buy the commie game to fund the capitalists that own it.
If you love commies you should pirate the commie game to spite the capitalists that own it.

Reminder that you are talking to redditors when you talk to people in this thread

>>714570824
so this is where the word /pol/tards came from

>>714570650
Retards didn't play it.
Communism is the mythical revolution that liberated the people but got brutally suppressed by international neoliberalism, but the remaining decrepit communists need to somehow cope or reason around the father of the revolution killing himself instead of succeeding or dying a martyr.

EVERY FUCKING THREAD

>>714570650
That's easy, it circles back to the first post in the thread
>The devs are self aware and self hating commies, but still commies and that informs the game they made despite the nuance.
So being a communist is just being a weirdo loser while the others get mocked a bit harder. And when your already prepped for it to be a commie game those differences in treat stand out a lot more than otherwise.

>>714570880
It comes from the root /b/tard.
You dumb tourist.

>>714567856 (OP)
This game is continuously being astroturfed and people are collectively being gaslit by its message.

>>714571238
What is its message?

>>714567856 (OP)
Mad because it points out that fascists are mad about women.
I've got no sympathy for it. You've got to be a little unhinged to read a story about a broken, old, suicidal self-destructive man and think "yeah I'm going to run my epic natsoc run and the devs will totally pat my balls and tell me how goated I am". Forcing Harry to larp as a traditionalist is as pathetic as the results indicate.

Also the devs are commies but I don't know how you can be mad about that when their studio got ripped apart in the funniest commie way possible.

>>714571009
yea and no one says /sci/tard or /toy/tard /b/tard actually rhymes with retard don't act like this isn't 100% politically motivated
>tourist
projecting

>>714571425
I mean, it is very accurate to how that type of larping works irl.

it's not even a hard game to finish. even DARKSYDE phil was able to do it. says a lot about /v/ that they are being surpassed by him.

>>714567856 (OP)
It insists upon itself. It also has absolutely atrocious gameplay and every single dialogue reads like an overweight leftie's sarcastic Reddit post. Only Reddit trannies ever discuss this game here seriously, you can instantly tell by the way they write.

>>714571546
no nigger. you can stop parroting every criticism of the game you regurgitated from r/thedonald now

>>714571597
I played the game for several dozen hours. You can go back now sister.

>>714571361
1. Don't ever fall in love
2. Be moderate in alcohol consumption

>>714569839
>>714571425
Always hated this line of thinking. Its so second grade and just like an internalized ad hominem. Like ok some ideology is supported or promoted by losers does that make it invalid? The exact opposite ideology is supported by losers. Tons of heinous shit is supported by winners. Most people are losers. Like what you have to have everything in your life perfect just to point out a true fact? Like do these people think they're smart for pointing out most people don't understand the full implications of politics and are just looking for easy ways out? Its just dumb. There is no logic to it.

>>714571658
>1. Don't ever fall in love
I'm quite sure that's not it.

>>714569175
then just pirate it.
pirate and buy it to support the devs if you end up liking should be the standard routine.

>>714571545
howlongtobeat says its 20 hours so I don't begrudge anyone for not getting to the end

>>714571793
In this case, you pirate to support the devs.

>>714571597
>reads reddit
>recomments reddit
someone hit a nerve

>>714571747
>Like ok some ideology is supported or promoted by losers does that make it invalid?
Did you play the game? Because that's their criticism of communism. Every communist you meet is a fucking loser or sleazebag.
Their criticism of fascism is that the ideology is fucked.

Their criticism of capitalism and democracy is that they're simply too powerful, NATO stays winning.

>>714571763
Man I guess I gotta ask. Is this game centered around some love story with some chick thats ugly as fuck yet we have a forced romance where we have to pretend we'd actually fall in love with her?

>>714571934
No if you wanna know more read the spoilers >>714570226

>>714571934
No and you have to go out of your way to delve into Du Bois' shitty past despite all your skills telling you not to. There is zero romance, it's a very ugly world.

>>714571918
I don't know why people feel the need to commentate on fascism when it only lasted like 10 years in two counties but I'm not sure it got a fair shot. People would hate it more if it works well thoughever.

>>714571793
No, you buy it if you hate the devs.
You buy the commie game only if you want to own the libs.

>>714572023
The lefties hate it because it goes against their idealized end state where all other cultural and social identifiers are subsumed under the concept of "Worker".
And the Neolibs hate it because its not as conductive to a corpo controlled market propped up by a global state

>>714571934
Yes.
She's called Revachol.

It's a book game but not as well written as an actual book, so it's worthless. Sadly, a lot of people's ONLY hobby is games so the writing in DE is considered of high quality to them.

>>714572064
That still kinda doesn't work.
The original people still get royalties, its just that the company gets more and that money is being used to find more pliant British lefties work.

>>714567856 (OP)
>/v/
dunno
>me
well I read previews and interviews and was very excited about the game
when it came out it was like a fraction (geographically) of what was promised, which IMHO sucks enough to score below 5/10... present yourself as the next Fallout but suck dick in a neighborhood scarcely larger than a Polish town? please
then, I actually got the game and played it... it was insane, walls of text with no bearing on anything, just like those communist / socialist / liberal posts on /pol/ (or any commie newspaper)
fuck off, people promoting it after it came out (considering that they already read all the promises) should be beaten to death

>>714572158
(She's abusive, falling apart and full of drugs.)

>>714572023
It's a little more relevant and interesting than systems that have been in place for thousands of years like serfdom.

>>714572190
I mean I enjoy the millennial writing of the marvel movies (original ones anyway) can't stand shit where they just yell CAPITALISM as the joke or some of the woke cringe like last of us 2 and failgaurd.

>>714572295
I can fix her.

>>714572319
Ok maybe its more relevant than those but its not even any more likely. It had its time and place the world has moved on already. Same with communism as well.

>>714572462
She's a blast of nuclear fire just waiting to blow up in your face. There's no saving her.

>>714572319
serfdom was sustainable and had unironically more social mobility than whatever you have since the french revolution
you are obviously a stinky cunt (or a criminal) because every male who has options besides stealing and violence recognizes this

>>714572501
Yeah, but it's still much more interesting. Disco Elysium isn't exactly contemporary either, they're playing Space War and sticking with bolt action rifles.

If it was just shit that's actually likely to happen it'd be boring, because life is boring. Disco Elysium isn't Deus Ex, it's not remotely interested in the future, just the patchwork mistakes of the past.

>>714572718
>calvinist gif
lol

>>714572616
How can anyone be mad about Disco Elysium threads, man. Being called a thug for not supporting serfdom is like getting an expansion to the game, it's better writing than any of those splinter sequels are going to have.

>>714572616
Serfs had closer access to their lords than most people do their boss. It wasn't perfect but we're probably closer to slaves today than they were. Other than the fact that we can switch masters.

>>714572718
it was denounced like a hundred years after it happened. Also you do realize the main intellectual movements not postmodernism and metamodernism both denounce the enlightenment right? Like this is mainstream academia its not some internet thing.

>>714572616
>serfdom was sustainable and had unironically more social mobility
Would you please elaborate on that ?

>>714573010
Yes you could go from being a serf to being a serf anon is fucking retarded.

>>714572808
>thinks I am mad about people promoting anything
if there is one thing I would be mad about it's that there is not place to go to and be free of globohomo (which btw Disco Elysium tries to justify)
>Being called a thug for not supporting serfdom is like getting an expansion to the game, it's better writing than any of those splinter sequels are going to have.
lol glad to jog your imagination... what would make me happy if you had (in the game / any game) a conclusion for whatever your personal choices are, and not just funneled into some conclusion... sure it would be more "boring" and less challenging, but at least would offer an occasion to reflect on your own decisions (for everything else you have multiplayer lol)

>>714573010
If you weren't a serf you could go from a rich nobody heir to a knight to a lord.

Honestly looking back on it bioshock didn't really have the best political commentary. Like capitalism fails because the lower classes get used as tools by a sociopath...only those people are quite literally insane like to the point where they're singing songs and talking to themselves not making sense like schizophenics. Also ryan and other captains of industry do nothing out of pride or overconfidence are character flaws that are a matter of circumstance not inherent to the economic system they lived in.

>>714573010
no, read medieval (european) history if you want to know more
but, if you are a cunt or a fag or a retard, I'd say don't bother, you are already living in paradise so if you need to challenge people you should probably kill yourself because nothing will satisfy you anyway

>>714573293
>(which btw Disco Elysium tries to justify)
The Moralists are the actual threat in Disco Elysium. People fixate on it ribbing fascists but every single legitimate threat in the game is via the Moralists.

>>714567856 (OP)
anyone have the discord screencap where all the takietroons talk about shilling DE, or the one of the stats showing how it's the most shilled game on all of 4chan despite being super niche?

>>714573447
He talks and writes like a faggot

>>714573427
indeed, true capitalists (i'm not a fan but it's better than socialism) implies that if you have the best neighbors possible, you would have no problems helping them... implying you know your limits
sure monarchy would be better, but that ain't even visible from the shithole socialism represents...

>>714573441
>morals bad
see >>714572798
it's on project gutenberg and the first chapter contains all you need to know

>>714567856 (OP)
Only liked by tumblr trannies.

>>714573432
Often times peasants could become freemen and they would have their own hierarchy among themselves based on how much land they owned. So wealth mobility was real you just couldn't go from peasant to aristocrat. Also the differences between peasants while minuscule compared to the chasm between them and the rich was definitely felt by them. Its kinda like now how people making 100k a year shit on people making 30 or people making 300k or low level millionaires shit on 100kers when there will be trillionaires in a few years.

>>714573636
>morals bad
They call themselves the Moralists they're not morally driven it's just a name.
Also thanks for the fucking homework.

>>714573569
no one will save your posts when you die

>>714573441
It made playing through disco elysium all the funnier for me because I actually identify with the moralists pretty much. Paraphrasing Churchill, it's the worst option, except for all the others.

>>714573681
>Also thanks for the fucking homework.
can't say if you actually appreciate it but it really helps you notice things when people (today) talk about policy

>>714573782
What did they believe?

>>714573702
The AI bots spamming this site will. As training data.
And for that reason, I say he needs to post more. Way more.
Saturate the training data with yourself anon.

>>714573642
>so wealth mobility was real you just couldn't go from peasant to aristocrat
yeah but status (privileges, and even services and/or objects you had access to) wasn't so linked to wealth as they are today
nobody in their right mind wanted to become an aristocrat when he could enjoy the same things without the same responsibilities
how do you think all those people believing in revolution accumulated? because for each hungry psychopath there were 10000s of comfy people who were not hungry but bored (and that's their fault not the artistocrats'... hence why Romans had success while also having slavery)

>>714573827
IIRC basically kinda centrism, don't do anything radical and if anybody disagrees they will receive mostly peaceful delivery of freedom from the airships.
I think it's a close analogy to NATO/USA side in the cold war, except if they actually glassed all the opposition.

>>714567856 (OP)
Whenever I critique the game, I notice that people who have issue with my critique have abysmal media literacy in one sense. They pick up the obviously intended message, but they can't fathom someone understanding the message and having issue with it. It almost leads me to believe that a large portion of people engaging with the work took their analysis from someone else like children making a book report.

>>714567856 (OP)
I liked it. The only think I actually disliked about this game is an uppity gorilla nigger babbling about being superior race, but I knocked him down. And a little bitch hanging with Cuno.

>>714574181
based

>>714574181
I was impressed you could actually shoot her.

>>714567856 (OP)
It had some really good moments that made me feel things. I thought the dialogue system with all the checks was pretty cool.

>>714567856 (OP)
Not a game, terrible writing purple prose everywhere, extremely pretentious and uninteresting.
Next time make a video game.

>>714574468
One of the best scenes in all games I've played

>>714575410
Do your sensibilities truly recoil at the decadent shimmer of adjectival excess, the florid waltz of words awash in lavender and gold?

Pray elucidate, dear connoisseur of coherent clutter, do your ocular orbs recoil in existential dread when assaulted by this lavender-laced lexicon tsunami, this syntactical soufflé whipped with thesaurus thunder? You... would abstain from the ultraviolet opulence of prose most purply preposterous?

>>714576007
Yes.

>>714575410
>>714576007
I was actually envious of how not-purple the prose was, I know I couldn't write this well and it made me angry.

>>714571747
Disco Elysium is a litmus test. Either you see every side is fucked and the world is pointless and you go further deep in to the hole or you find something good in life and work towards it as best you can.

>>714567856 (OP)
I like the game, but there are some extremely shitty details in it
>immersion-breaking censorship of the word faggot. Either have the balls to use it, or don't, not this 'f****t' shit inbetween. inb4 retards claim you can uncensor it by researching a certain thought. You can't, that has always been a lie.
>Communism is painted as naive, but good, while every other political side is implied to be negative.

>>714573427
Nothing is perfect but somethings are just plain stupid. That's part of the point of bioshock, he's right but his idea is even worse and instead of accepting this truth and either improving on the flawed system the best he can or accepting that nothing is perfect he deludes himself and others in to thinking that his idea is flawless and refuses to accept anything.

>>714567856 (OP)
Too many letters for average /v/-tard.

>>714567856 (OP)
Gameplay should've been better.
Puzzles solve themselves, the dialogue tells you everything, and there is nothing to interact with, as a Detective RPG imagine how much better it would've been if your skills changed how you actually interact and perceive clues in your surroindings and how much exploration will be changed depending on the skills you unlock first.

People say there's no combat so its okay for Disco to be this shallow in gameplay, but i highly disagree, i think even without combat there is a lot to be done here and a lot of unique and interesting game design to be implemented, the skill tree looks neat and allows for that kind of stuff but the developer simply has no talent in game design, all they can do is write dialogue, this RPG should never be given any rating above 8/10.

>>714567856 (OP)
Because it's a good game instead of good material to touch yourself to.

>>714567856 (OP)
You need a brain to play it, which leaves 85% of /v/ out

>>714567856 (OP)
The game is generally sympathetic to communism while /v/, like the rest of 4chan, is much more right-leaning

It's a commie game and I hate commies.

>>714567856 (OP)
I'll give it another shot. It's been a few years

What's the "build" to go with? Inland Empire something?

>game where you literally are an unreliable narrator and every internal monologue derives from your absolute schizo delusion and various levels of cope
>ERM, NO, HES 100% SINCERE AND FORWARD ABOUT HIS PORTRAYAL/UNDERSTANDING OF [political ideology] AND THE DEVS ARE SHOEHORNING IT IN

Maybe troons were right about media literacy

>>714578790
>there's no combat
you didn't play the game

>>714579758
see >>714574176

>>714579645
I think purple/red build is the way to go for getting most of the game
blue is practical for a first playthrough and yellow has way too few uses to spec in it
but every build works so you should just go with what feels right for you desu

>>714579313
I think there's a specific thing about it that rubs some people the wrong way.
Half the critiques of "moralism" could be levied against communists, but there's always a distinct lack of self-awareness about this topic. Communism creates its own systemic horrors that somehow get sidelined because its the ideology of perpetual opposition rather than an ideology worthy of holding power. They make fun of communists that sideline the horrors of communism, but that's what they're doing, too.

>>714567856 (OP)
it got popular

>>714569362
The thing about the publishers taking the IP completely from the original devs / writers is true, and pirating the game against their best wishes isn't bad, but 1.50 is dirt cheap and worth bypassing the hassle.

>>714569362
>>714580407
I just think that stealing is wrong, and the game doesn't cost much. I'll buy the game.

>>714567995
fpbp

>>714567856 (OP)
game is too based

>>714579645
you don't need to "go" with any build, everything is viable and the only way you aren't beating the game is if you (the player) are retarded. Just do whatever you think will be more fun.

>>714577582
>Communism is painted as good
lol

>>714577582
>inb4 retards claim you can uncensor it by researching a certain thought. You can't, that has always been a lie.
What? Am I being gaslit right now? I distinctly remember being like "Oh hey all the slurs are uncensored now". Mandeler effect

>>714582219
I prefer this cosplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=racGnUAU41g

>>714579313
>how to out yourself as an underage election tourist

>>714580529
>I just think that stealing is wrong
you're circumventing a license for a video game not stealing you gay pussy

>>714582556
personally I think harry should look ugly and pathetic

>>714582453
You're remembering wrong. That was astroturfing on this board by people that desperately wanted you to believe the devs aren't cucks that pussied out.

>>714567856 (OP)
I choose Moralintern. Bad status quo is better than anarchy. That aligns with RCM. Does it make me a race and nation traitor?

>>714579313
>like the rest of 4chan, is much more right-leaning

>>714582924
I'm pretty sure it's because the censorship in game is just weirdly inconsistent looking it up and not because I got tricked by astroturfing in threads I didn't visit

>>714567856 (OP)
I like it a lot. I felt like a lot of people itt before worried about commie stuff before it. It does go there if you want to but the devs don't paint it in a perfect light. Every ideology is flawed and mocked equally. The world building is pure kino too

>>714583338
There's nothing inconsistent about it. The word 'faggot' is ALWAYS censored, both in spoken dialogue and in the text log. 'fägari' is used by Cunoesse once, maybe you're thinking of that.

>>714583213
>>714582657
hello >>714570824

>>714567856 (OP)
Redditardation: The Game(Movie)

>>714567856 (OP)
One of those higher iq games. Too hard for 90% of /v/ to sit down and read

>>714584034
If you successfuly get Kim to wear the Pissfaggot jacket he says it uncensored

>>714584253
Nope

>>714584320
Yes. Unless it's been patched out since the last time I've played it

>>714584034
Sorry but I think you're lying to be inflammatory or something like that

>>714584172
I still believe this is part of it. If I was some ESL third-worlder this game would 100% read like "pretentious faggotry" to me. It might even make me angry.

Which is also funny because the guy who wrote it is some literal who from Estonia of all places.

>>714579313
>4chan is right leaning
fuck that meme, at this point I'm convinced you're all just part of a psyop made to discredit 4chan
and attract fascists in here
4chan was never right leaning, in fact it used to be more anarchist than anything

>>714567856 (OP)
the concept is interesting but the writing is genuinely terrible and the devs' bias just bleeds straight through it. anyone saying that all choices are equally ridiculous is pure cope.
>lefty option/dialogue: "hey you might be weird and crazy, but at least you're totally right and morally justified
>anything that disagrees with the above: "you're a total piece of shit, you know this but push the feelings down and smugly continue on while everyone either stares on or makes a snide comment."

>>714584371
I looked it up, you're right, my bad. Still censored in every other case though.
>>714584375
Why is corporation dick so far down your throat that you not just defend their censorship, you even insist it's not even there?

>>714567856 (OP)
/v/ hates communism and Disco Elysium was made by communists. It's that simple.

Still a good game though so /v/ fucking seethes about it

>>714570824
There's pushback on /pol/shit because we fucking hate /pol/niggers shitting in every thread. If there wasn't /pol/ we'd never ever discuss this book of a game. It's a slightly unorthodox RPG game with tons of dialogue, creative mechanics and towards the end, extremely boring and repetitive dialogue. The ending is bullshit and has nothing to do with the game itself. You could literally get a playthrough where you miss one of the supposedly important explanations in the game. It's a fine game, and if /pol/scum didn't live in other boards like an unwanted goblin under a bridge, we'd never even know the political affiliations of the developers. Because sane well adjusted individuals generally do not engage with politics to such an extent without getting a solid return on their investment.

>>714582219
>>714582556
>>714582847
Every single Harry cosplayer got a too clean outfit on. Not enough stains.

>>714585930
>we

>tumblr noses
yikes

>>714585247
got any examples?

>>714585930
>we

>>714580529
piracy isn't theft but if buying it is the most convenient option for you there's nothing wrong with that

>>714585930
>we fucking hate
Speak for yourself I love it when uncle /pol/ comes to visit. Definitely better than whenever you Tumblr fags start posting your garbage porn threads

>>714567856 (OP)
Aside from the politics, I fundamentally disagree with the game's world and story. It is fashioned in a way that looks excessively to left Hegelianism as a model, where history has this totally real and objective goal and arc that is completely worldly and devoid of spirituality. There are no spiritual religions in this game. All religions are basically personality cults cranked up to 11 where the figures just embody the selfish desires and cravings of people for more self-validation, pleasure, and comfort; completely worldly with no regard for a world to come or renunciation. In fact, it seems to actively villify such things as being 'anti-life' or whatever, but I think it would be more apt to say 'anti-pleasure,' because that is the only thing worldly philosophers care about. It's ultimately an incredibly disgusting world and all the game's attempts to paint it as this gleaming gem in a rubble just falls completely flat for me.

>>714567856 (OP)
There are political stances contained within its world and narrative.

>>714567856 (OP)
Because its boring

>>714586975
>There are no spiritual religions in this game
My guy there's a church of someone who actually had magical powers, cryptids, miracles, ghosts, and a prophesied apocalypse that is slowly happening.

>Left hegelian
>Anti life
There is no linear progression of history in DE that follows any of the works of Hegel and there's nothing to indicate it's anti life either

>>714572718
Even leftists have been denouncing the enlightenment for absolutely retarded historicist reasons. Like Adorno trying to rationalize that the nazi movement was caused by the enlightenment. It stops being significant once you realize they are all just whinging and being dissatisfied with the current state of a constantly changing universe whose only constant seems to be some degree of shittiness

>>714585264
Because you sound like a liar. I could check later but I don't feel very strongly about this issue

>>714572023
>when it only lasted like 10 years in two counties
It's been lasting for 200+ years in most of the global north.

>>714567856 (OP)
I played it and I found it to be insanely overrated desu. I got tricked into thinking it was a crazy detective VN but its more like a youtube poop lolsorandumbXD game combined with a lame political faction intrigue quest.

>>714587237
>My guy there's a church of someone who actually had magical powers, cryptids, miracles, ghosts, and a prophesied apocalypse that is slowly happening.
Read the rest of my post. Innocents are not Gods or even enlightened beings. They are literally just people choses by fate or fortuitous circumstances to "advance" history on its destined hegelian path. Again, it's just hegelianism and exceptional individuals who embody the world spirit.
>There is no linear progression of history in DE that follows any of the works of Hegel
Did you actually read anything in this shitty game?
>and there's nothing to indicate it's anti life either
Ok, you are clearly not reading my post. I did not call DE "anti-life," but DE tends to treat certain things as being anti-life and certain behaviors as actually just the product of nebulous unconscious forces which can still, somehow, be apprehended, because leftists, for some reason, really like to guzzle Freud's cum.

>>714587782
>They are literally just people choses by fate or fortuitous circumstances to "advance" history on its destined hegelian path. Again, it's just hegelianism and exceptional individuals who embody the world spirit
You are taking Hegel's concept of the spirit far too literally , like you do know that Hegel was not actually talking about an actual world spirit when he was talking about the geist right? In DE it's a literal divine power in a world with magical bullshit everywhere , just because they didn't want to worldbuild an entire theology for you doesn't mean the world of DE lacks any kind of concept of souls or divinity

>Did you read anything in that shitty game
Yes, did you? There was no linear progression of history at most there was technological advancements and that was it

>>714586386
it's been half a decade since I played it, but there's one chick you talk to who ends up being a frontrunner and I think lawyer for the union, and I reloaded specifically to see the all the options of dialogue when she basically asks if you agree with their movement or not and that was essentially the response you get from your psyche.

>>714588190
>You are taking Hegel's concept of the spirit far too literally , like you do know that Hegel was not actually talking about an actual world spirit when he was talking about the geist right?
Yeah. And this game takes that concept and makes it fantastical. Word of mouth from one of the main writers who said hegel was a primary inspiration.
>In DE it's a literal divine power in a world with magical bullshit everywhere
No, it's not a literal divine power. It is completely worldly and devoid of divinity. The laws of nature in DE are just different from ours.
>just because they didn't want to worldbuild an entire theology for you doesn't mean the world of DE lacks any kind of concept of souls or divinity
They don't lack these things. They just admit that these things are contrived by humans and have no substantial existence because this game was written by leftist materialists who think history itself has a determined path which can be inferred via facts and logic. Religions in this game are not apiritual. They are completely worldly and only concerned with political governence and the gratification of people's worldly desires.
>There was no linear progression of history at most there was technological advancements and that was it
Innocents are literally described as being personifications of history.
https://discoelysium.fandom.com/wiki/Innocence

>>714569175
>but I'm afraid that's still 1.5 usd too expensive
Because you're a poorfag or because you think it's a shit game?
Either way you're filtered -- economically or developmentally

>>714589290
I cannot underline just how much this game reeks of hegelianism. Innocents are measured not by personal achievments or spiritual improvement, but by how much they have contributed to society, the institutions they established, abolished, rectified; by how they have advanced history forward. However, it is further implied that innocences do not actually lead change but are just another fact of history. It's just dialectical materialism. And for what? Well, to attain more worldly pleasure for the most amount of people, leaving the minoeity to die in a revolution. It is a completely sordid world and not worth liking imo