>someone has fair, light criticism about Stop Killing Games
>"Nooo you don't understand the proposal, it's not X, it's Y"
>another person criticizes Y
>"Sigh... People still don't understand the proposal is not about Y, but actually about X?"

I'm fucking done with this stupid subject. It is impossible to say anything negative about it because Stop Killing Games is like the holy spirit: it's nowhere, and at the same time everywhere. It's about nothing, and at the same time everything. No matter what you criticize, it'll always be "wrong" because it is actually about whatever point you did not criticize; and this point will oportunistically change once the next person says they disagree.

Fuck everyone involved with this. Bunch of dishonest vulture clowns.

guys this stop killing games initiative is insanely bad they want to force developers to forever be chained to a desk taking a dildo up the ass while they patch the games forever with no pay and run servers at a loss for 1 person to play it.
>so that was a lie
guys im not wrong youre just mishearing what i said the stop killing games initiative is bad for gaming as a whole because trust me bro
>so that was a retarded lie
guys im quitting the game publishing company because theyre reviewbombing every game my names on, every single one, not just the indie turd i abandoned, but every single game.
>so that was a lie
guys im getting massive death threats from completely unhinged people at a rate so quick i had to swap phones 4 times because they found my new number through an underground network of
>just stop at this point retard
guys i got swatted
>aight kill yourself

I hate matchmaking and I hate live service, I don't want developers to be able to make games with these features, problem?

>>714585339
Just don't play it.

This entire movement consists of

>people too stupid to NOT play live service games, and then complain they were live service games
>people that live off e-celeb drama
>a mix of both

There is no reason why this shit should take off in 4chan other than tourists.

>>714584498 (OP)
The disgusting behavior of the SKG community is exactly why I no longer support it. It's just fucking gamergate at this point. You don't just swat a streamer just because he dropped some truth nukes about your shitty movement.

>be legally obliged to release server software
>"but don't worry bro you don't have to patch it or anything, just leave it to the players"
>2 years later there are so many exploits that merely playing the game puts you at risk of people running arbitrary code in your system
>little Jimmy gets hacked and the money of his parents is stolen
>they sue your company back to the stone ages
>"b-but judge bro the players said I didn't have to patch the game look it's the heckin SKG movement, the youtuber man said it was up to the players to patch the game and I would not be responsible anymore!!!! I thought the gaymers were above consumer laws come on!!!!"

If you have at least 80 IQ this entire thing looks like a joke, but what makes me want to speak against it is how people are going out of their way to destroy and doxx anyone that has any sort of criticism to it. Censorship is how you destroy legitimate movements. If you start censoring people I am automatically your enemy, and any intelligent person will say the same.

I'm having major deja vu, is this the third time this movement has been pushed, or is it the same movement that keeps reviving?

Why does 4skinners love being contrarian and bad faith about anything at all popular

SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714585550
Its the aame movement.
It hit the 1 million signatures it needed
Its trying to hit at lwast 1.2 mil now as a safety buffer if they need to rwmove any fake votes.

>>714585550
Same movement. It had like 1 year to gather signatures and it got popular again at the last month as is common with these sort of petitions.
>>714585557
4chan at its core, back when associated with Anonymous, used to be about freedom. Especially freedom of thought. The moment you start witch hunts to harm people that are against your movement, you declare war against 4chan. At least the oldfags.

>>714585570
ah yes
all those small one person crafted artisinal live service MMO indie games
you retard
you fucking moron
you absolute buffoon
you misconfigured NPC reject

>>714585418
The crew could have been single player, it had arbitrary server requirements that fucked it over.
You are not seeing the point, chuddy

>>714584498 (OP)
its really quite simple: any game you make should be playable forever

if you arent prepared to give free patches, content updates, and compatibility updates from now until the day you die, then dont make games

>>714584498 (OP)
It's true. We literally can't lose. The seething caused by SKG alone is worth the effort. Everything else - preservation of games, bankrupting live service developers - is just a cherry on top.

>>714585570
Yeah, another problem with this law is that it was created to hurt Ubisoft, but Ubisoft is exactly the company that will suffer the least with it.

For a billionaire company like Ubisoft it is trivial to comply and keep their entire library always available.

You can't say the same to the indie developer that releases multiplayer projects like agar.io, and now will have to develop end-of-life projects to every single shitty little thing he releases and that is monetized.

This project will kill indie developers and keep AAA on top, despite being advertised as intending to do the opposite.

>>714585570
IDS TROMP GON DO A DROP A NOOK ON TEH PEOPLEEEEEEEE?!?!??!
>uh, thats highly unlikely
THATS NOT A NO
TROMP GONA NOOK SOME PEOPLE
SOME PEOPLE GON DIE FROM TROMP NOOOOOK
what a disgustingly jewish pilpul argument

Been over a decade since a good game came out. We can only hope this will help to end video game developers

>>714585570
>SKG will never pass in its current state
SKG has no "current state". It's an initiative. A proposal.
>consumers voices discontent with the industry and proposes ideas
>the industry rebuts and proposes its own ideas (or argues against the need to do so)
>then the officials acting on the part of the consumers reviews the replies from the industry representatives and rebuts and counter claims
>this can go back and forth potentially
>then a judge makes a final call one way or the other

Is how initiatives like this go. SKG isn't pushing some "current state".

>when you cant tell if the threads a chatGPT dump or a schizo talking to noone
thats amore

>>714585703
>>714585796
>>714585814
>>714585952
In case you didn't notice, you're replying to a chatGPT text

>>714585796
>You can't say the same to the indie developer that releases multiplayer projects like agar.io, and now will have to develop end-of-life projects to every single shitty little thing he releases and that is monetized.
>and that is monetized
So why did you list fucking agar.io as an example? It's free to play. It has nothing to do with SKG.

SKG doesn't negatively impact indie devs because indie devs have no need for planned obsolescence.

>>714586102
Agar.io has microtransactions so yes it would be targeted too (well it wont because the law is not retroactive, but a hypothetical project similar to agar.io would)

>not owning things you buy: bad
>more EU power: also bad
So what is a reasonable person to do?

>>714586206
literally the only thing the EU is good at is consumer rights
its like their one accidental victory

>>714586204
>Agar.io has microtransactions
Then die

>>714585525
Ah yes, like how people get super haxxed by playing UT99 nowadays, amirite.

>>714586206
A reasonable person doesn't buy live service games if they don't want to deal with the consequences of a live service game being terminated

It's not that hard

We are so fucked..
Gaming journalists are going full force with associating SKG with Gamergate
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.

>>714586204
>Agar.io has microtransactions
Really?
Well. If he made money from it then he can damn well spend an hour to allow people to locally host games for people to join. It's a super fucking simple update. If Newgrounds kiddies could do it including me, then he can do it as well. It's not difficult.

>JUST DONT BUY THEM
concord/suicide squad: WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT

>>714585480
Tranny spoted

>>714586406
https://github.com/OldUnreal/UnrealTournamentPatches/releases

That game gets tons of patches from the community you RETARD

But not every single game on Earth will have an active community keeping it alive, and developers can't live by hoping the community can patch all exploits

Requesting an edit of this picture so Ross is choking out Maldavius

>>714584498 (OP)
>because Stop Killing Games is like the holy spirit: it's nowhere, and at the same time everywhere.
That is not how the Holy Spirit works.

>>714585525
>>2 years later there are so many exploits that merely playing the game puts you at risk of people running arbitrary code in your system
Yes, because this totally happened all the time in the days before dedicated servers/live service.

>If you start censoring people I am automatically your enemy, and any intelligent person will say the same.
You're a fucking retard who judges entire movements/philosophies based on what a few bad apples do. This happens to literally every single movement (look at how quickly occupy wall street was brought down by the media interviewing retards).

>>714586567
>because this totally happened all the time in the days before dedicated servers/live service
Yes it fucking did newfag, there were many games that people warned you to not play with people you don't trust because the game couldn't protect your data and your system anymore

>>714585525
This is an incredibly well-put-together post to further reinforce the unfaltering consistency of tranime posters being the biggest retards on this website. Saying SKG is bad because the community who takes over the game's code might do something nefarious is like saying we shouldn't allow open source software because someone who makes a fork of the original might install a bitcoin miner in it. Retard, just use a different fucking service, then.

In the ideal scenario, SKG would be like if WoW shut down and all that's left are private servers. Yes, many of them would probably be ratchet as fuck and filled with obnoxious troons, but that's when you leave a warning for others not to use THAT server and you go find a better one. This shit isn't rocket science.

>>714584498 (OP)
Shut the fuck up Jason, go fuck a ferret or something.

>>714586515
Oh, so patches are made, so what's your point?
A game is popular? It gets patches.
A game is not popular? It gets no patches because nobody even bothers to play it anymore.

Do you really think lil Tommy would get hacked by trying to play Concord in five years?
Disingenuous faggot.

>>714586639
ITS THOR
IT IS THOR
MOTHER FUCKER STEP OUTSIDE ILL SHOW YOU A JASON

>>714585215
>they want to force developers to forever be chained to a desk taking a dildo up the ass while they patch the games forever with no pay and run servers at a loss for 1 person to play it.
I thought the idea was to at least allow a version of the game to exist that isn’t dependent on a dev/company server, so if fans of the game really want to, they can keep the game running themselves

>>714584498 (OP)
i don't care about any of that homosexual nonsense. the time has come for the streets where we common folk reside to start running red with the blood of corporate gayming ceos

>>714586634
You argue in good faith but you simply don't understand how the law works

>In the ideal scenario, SKG would be like if WoW shut down and all that's left are private servers
No because Blizzard does not endorse private servers. Any private server is illegal. Therefore, Blizzard is not accountable for what happens in these servers.

Another subject would be if Blizzard was forced to share private server code in their own website. And now Blizzard is responsible for what happens to consumers that download these private servers. Therefore in practice Blizzard has to keep patching their server code, or hope the community will do it for them

And by the way yes the community would successfully keep WoW private servers patched. This is the entire point. For an AAA company with a huge IP this law is not a big deal at all. For indie devs that don't have so much community support? They're fucked.

>its arguing with itself to pretend its winning

>>714586515
>gets patches every few months
>none of them deal with security and are mostly just to get the stuff to work on the modern jeetOS.

>>714585418
This whole movement hasn’t really impacted me or my friends at all because we just don’t play liveslop. If everyone working on liveslop, and the majority of people playing, are okay with games existing in a state where they’re eventually kill, I don’t see what the issue is. Just don’t play (or get emotionally invested in) shitty games. They say the simplest advice is often the best advice for a reason.

>>714586702
Now you are starting to get it disingenuous retard

AAA companies won't suffer with this, their IPs are so popular that the community will keep their shit alive and patched for centuries

You think an indie dev will have the same luck?

>A game is not popular? It gets no patches because nobody even bothers to play it anymore.
Oh yes because that's the only two situations that exist retard

Either a game is WoW tier and will have hundreds of thousands of people playing, and hundreds of developers maintaining it

Or no one knows about it no one plays it nope nada 0 players the game dies and it's gone

There is no middle scenario where the game is still played by ~100 people and none of them want to bother patching shit, nuh uh

>>714586804
>You argue in good faith but you simply don't understand how the law works
>And now Blizzard is responsible for what happens to consumers that download these private servers.
Cite case law that supports your argument.

Pay corporate shill

>>714586956
Cite case law that holds companies accountable for their own software hosted in their own website for paying customers? Are you serious?

>>714585525
Rape aquaposters

>>714586946
Yet somehow the chance to get hacked in a game only played by 100 peeps is super high?

And you keep mentioning those poor, poor ones indie games. So how about you show me some of those online indie games that would suddenly have a problem?

>>714585570
All Indie devs who whine about are no better than AAA studios

>>714586459
>Gaming journalists are going full force with associating SKG with Gamergate
Good Gamergate won. What was considered hateful 10 years ago is commonly accepted now.
Gaming journalists are the group universally hated more anyone else.

>>714585525
>Company that made live service game raped to death.
Good end.

>>714584498 (OP)
how could you possibly look at the live service slop today and think it should be allowed? or think it's good for gaming? how could you use the word "vulture" unrionically in a description of any party involved in this topic and not apply it to developers?

>>714587082
>Another subject would be if Blizzard was forced to share private server code in their own website. And now Blizzard is responsible for what happens to consumers that download these private servers.
Yes, I want you to cite case law that supports your argument that a company would be legally responsible for what happens on private servers running company code. Can't be too hard, considering how sure of yourself you seem to be.

>>714585418
You don't understand how market manipulation works.
>make practice that is objectively shit illegal
>companies focus their efforts on making stuff without that shitty practice
>small loss for devs, big gain for consumers

I havent signed shit and I'm not really invested into this whole thing, but the argument of
>this is going to put huge strain on developers! it might kill certain games or studios!!
is pretty funny.
like, yeah, it takes some effort to sell a product that your customer can actually play for as long as they own it... lmao

>>714587190
>give me a list of indie games that could have a cult following
retard

the fact your entire movement relies on the condition of no indie game ever being played after its end of service says enough about how delusional it is

>>714585525
Never should've coded broken liveservice slop in the first place

>>714584498 (OP)
faggot software is a corporate shill

>>714587439
>>714587430
What you two ignore is that this would kill indie developers while empowering AAA studios

>> 71 4584498
>OP does not have a 24/7 tard wrangler
>This is everyone else's fault, somehow

>>714585418
Dunking on lolcows is a timehonored 4chan tradition. You'd know that if you weren't a larping tourist.

>>714587535
how so?

but but but but
if we cant kill overwatch 1 and re-sell the same content as overwatch 2
how will we survive
HOW WILL WE PROFIIIIIIIIIIT
YOURE EEEEEEEVIIIIIIL
YOU HATE DEVELOPERRRRRRRRS

>>714587535
it would only kill bad games that shouldn't exist in the first place

>>714584498 (OP)
>yfw some yuropoor calls you a bootlicker for not supporting more government babysitting of the free market

>>714587535
Indie devs should not be making non-preservable live-service slop in the first place. In fact, in most cases, they don't.

>>714584498 (OP)
The only valid criticism to SKG is that it doesn't say "rape the shit out of every investor and dev in the industry, scalp them and grate their faces with sandpaper"
But I hope that's next

>>714587535
bro most of the indie games I play dont even have any sort of DRM
like, I cant even think of an indie game that is no longer playable?

>consumers don't need to be able to own their games
>they shouldn't even be able to play them without checking in with a server
>if we release a sequel to a game we're within our rights to strip all online components from the last game, even if said game is now nonfunctional, stripping anyone of their in-game transactions, etc.
"i wish you wouldn't do that last one"
>FUCKING ENTITLED GAMERS ARE GOING TO *KILL* THE INDUSTRY BY CHAINING UP DEVELOPERS AND FORCING THEM TO TURN THE 'ONLINE' CRANK UNTIL THEY DIE, WHEREIN THEY WILL BE PASSING THE CRANK TO THEIR KIDS
"Oh... s-sorry. maybe i'll skip my next video game and buy a pizza instead..."

>>714585570
why is the myth that devs have to run servers ad infinitum so persistent?
It has been pointed out repeatedly that the devs literally just have to make the server software publically available and never bother with it again once they stop personally supporting their old games.

>>714587628
is the free market in the room with us right now

>>714587628
The issue of non-preservable games is a problem created by government regulation in the first place.

>>714584498 (OP)
>dishonest vulture clowns.
wow just like you

>>714587535
name 5 indie games with a component maintained by the devs that is required to keep the game functional

>>714586406
not a thorfag but playing any custom server in any goldsrc game makes you vulnerable to every kind of attack you could possibly imagine
recently every fucking dark souls game suffered from similar thing
idk about UT, does it get patches? source 2 games do and i think quake as well

>>714587975
Is there any example for the parent company being successfully sued for this?

>>714587846
because it doesn't fit the corporate shill narrative that any game can be preserved with little to no effort

Literally impossible.
Cannot be done.
Lost technology.

>>714585525
I just launched tf2 and my computer fucking died

>i just want my games i paid for to be at least functional for as long as i want to play them
>"you want devs maintaining servers and matchmaking until the sun explodes"

>no matter how much the world tries to get back into your good graces, DO NOT join any military or army
>"lmao these retards want to cry out in pain anytime the system does something for them, they think that good things happening are always bad because they are incels, the army doesn't need weak fucks like them anyways"

oddly parallel with the "openly misrepresent the issue and then cry foul on your own misrepresentation" shit

>>714587846
Because the core of the initiative, ie yanking the ability of the publishers to take your paid games away, loses them money. It's as simple as that.
They will use whatever nonsensical argument they can come up with, even if it's a lie.
Expect them to say that lives will be at risk if skg laws pass soon.

>>714585480
Kek this tired argument again. Get help

>>714588176
LOL

>>714587628
Retards like you, fail to understand copyright law(government babysitting) is holding the free market back while preventing you from owning your copy of the software.

>>714587975
>the aliens are gonna hack my puter to brainwash my kids to be vegans
ok crazy uncle stu, let's get you back to the nice room with the people with funny coats

>>714587975
okay? so do what windows does and say "no more support".
windows 7 is still one of the most widely used OS' among governments and airports and shit like that. if microsoft annouced all windows 7 machines were going to be nonfunctional once they pulled the plug, the world would band together against them in a way that would make historians heads spin. israel and iran would stand side by side in court against M$ for as long as it took.

>>714585525
>>714587628
>avatarfag have the most retarded opinion

>hackers will get at you from within your old games!
okay? a game full of hackers will be abandoned. how does this change the assertion of me not wanting a dev to pull the plug on one of my games?

>>714588376
Don't laugh, this seems to be the core of the anti-SKG argument.
>>714586804

>>714586546
Fuck it. I did it myself.

>>714584498 (OP)
Stop killing games
Start killing copyright

>>714588675
>the weak should fear the strong

>>714588471
Huh? Most companies nowadays use 10 or 11.
But something almost similar happened.
Remember CrowdStrike last year nuking by accident every company and government computers, and within Europe it caused many government to start looking into alternative OS.

>>714588596
SAAR THE HACKERS WILL PUT VIRUSES AND PORNOGRAPHY ON YOUR COMPUTER

>>714588728
>Start killing copyright
Sam Altman and Zuckerberg will take care of copyright laws soon.
Big AI with infinite money wants them gone.

If shit like Ascension WoW isnt sued into oblivion then you literally cant do shit about any privately hosted server.
You know that minecraft custom servers make more money from scamming kids than mojang itself right? Why isnt mojang or microsoft doing anything about it

>A faggot EU employee understood an initiative talking about video games
>AVG /v/ anon can't
what happened to this place?

>>714588804
>i say governments and airports
>you are confused by my assertion because non-government/airport entities do not match what i've said
wow
well done

Guys...it's over.
https://streamable.com/suazrz
Stop hitting him. He's already on the ground.

>>714588596
His entire argument is stupid.
I'd rather have a chance of my lobby being full of hackers than the lobby not existing.

>>714589126
TIME FOR 3RD PUBERTY

>>714587774
Soon brother, inshallah

>>714588932
The only good thing that came from copyright laws was the GNU GPL license, ironically.

>>714589058
Most companies and governments* nowadays uses 10 or 11
But my point was mostly to say we already know what governments would do if a company would something that stupid, which is that they literally banded together and decided "we need a different OS"

>>714589037
/v/ understood the initiative just fine. It has almost universal support.
The shills you see are par for the course.

>>714589354
To be fair, you're also going to get a lot of responses if you post impeccable ragebait.

>>714585339
This single digit percentage opinion is the only one that makes sense in this nonsense. All of game commentary has been taken over by brown consumers who don't want Apex Legends to die like Concord and think a law will stop it.
The likely compromise is that Europe is rangebanned until EU goyim clamor to reverse the policy in 2032 because they're sad they can't play the current thing games with 9 figure marketing budgets. Europe isn't that important.

>>714585480
>truth nukes?
Thor literally said things contrary to what was explicitly said in the same screen he was reading from.

>>714586804
>buy a car from Blizzardvrooms
>a random dude cuts the break lines and you have an accident
>this means you can now sue Blizzardvrooms because the break lines were not protected from being cut

>>714589309
>in my head, my point wasn't affected by what i am now claiming was an accidental omission
my bad, here i thought communication was a two-way thing but if you think you can communicate poorly and blame others for missing your assertion, i won't stop you.

>>714585747
Or maybe just patch your game so it's be able to be played without the need for internet connection or the need to be running from your server?

>>714585570
Stop posting these fake quotes

>>714587460
>NOOOO IF YOU PLAY OLD GAMES, YOU WILL GET HACKED
This is how unhinged you sound. Consider killing yourself.

>>714589595
You're not arguing with the same anon by the way, so no need to be a faggot about it.
I was literally pointing out that you're wrong about 7 being used by companies/government, they're literally all been on 10 for years now, and that you don't need to use an example, we literally know what everyone would do if a company did something stupid, which is that literally everyone did come to the same conclusion.

>>714585570
>>714585215
>>714584498 (OP)
how about go kill yourself. at least i own some fucking games i bought from steam unlike those other cancerous games where you fucking have to connect to devs server game in order to even able to play their games. even indie fucking fraud scammers will do this like with avorion and it was a good game and now you cant even fucking play it solo anymore since their servers were shut down. i hope this whole industry sets on fire. fuck all of you you kike niggers.

>>714589126
>https://streamable.com/suazrz
Ross gave him mold lung.
Pirate bros... not like this...

>>714588240
>game owned by one of the largest companies on earth

Yah, of course Microsoft could program in such a crazy small use case scenario. But indie devs, either solo or small team, do not have the skills or the manpower to put such a thing in their games

There is no way this anti shill spam isn't paid for, holy shit.

>>714585525
>only devs can write and maintain flawless, updated code
>people are only competent when they're being paid to do something
lol
You know what GitHub is?

>>714584498 (OP)
So would holding up a normal microphone work like a cross to vampires for him?

>it'safraid.jpg
Verification not fucking required, nigger

anti shill are fraud and scammers.

>>714586546
>>714588675
Best I can do for you.

>>714590058
There are like 4 threads coping and seething about stop killing games. They are very afraid
Verification not fucking required again, niggers.

>>714586459
Journalists have absolutely miniscule amounts of the clout they did then.
Ecelebs hold the power now, and this has become a bipartisan issue

>>714590058
He is so pathetic that he is most likely doing it for free.

After we are done anally raping liveservice scams, can we start a petition to force devs into including an anthro female love interest in every single RPG?

>>714590058
>theres no way the anti shill spam isnt paid for
unlike the uh
shill spam
you retard
you cuntwaffle
you dumb benchod
you absolute bloody

>>714590058
Some "people" are genuinely mad that corporations might have to respect consumer laws.

>>714586939
That is true for me too, as I don't play live games. However, this petition is advocating for consumer rights for people playing said live games. It is more to make sure they either don't get screwed over or at the very least bring awareness to the eventual screwing. I am totally for that. I wish I could sign personally.

>>714587628
I'm all for removing IP law... oh what was that? You need the government babysitting now?

>>714589126
KWAB

>>714590425
No. Having playable skeletons is much more important than that.

>>714585525
Ahhh I'm getting haxed playing unreal tournament save me figtree

>>714587846
Because they don't have any valid concerns against this. It's something that benefits the consumer but not them.

>>714590010
>microsoft
The feature was already in way back in 2013 in version 0.0.15a you spastic schizo fuck. Who owned minecraft back then, remind me again.

>>714590748
I'm glad someone here isn't a numbskull

>>714590010
>Literally made by one guy

I can still play doom with the boys. Shits not complicated. It's been done since the 80s.

>>714587628
>Tyrone/Goldberg steals TV/Game
>That's just the free market you can't arrest him

>WAH WAH WAH WAH!!
>NO!! LET CORPOS TAKE YOUR MONEY!!
>WAH WAH WAH WAH!!

>>714593082
i worked at blizzard and we all looked like this and said this
now i must go
it is nearly lunch and i wish to not miss out on the free breastmilk in the commissary

>>714585570
>should be titled "Start Killing Developers"

FUCK! I'd gladly sign it but I don't like in Yurop

>>714592835
>B-B-BUT I CAN
don't care about your anecdotal stories. Go blog them to reddit or something.

>>714584498 (OP)
Personally, I hate Denuvo and I want these assholes to be forced to remove it after a certain point. I want these maintenance costs of denuvo to also skyrocket to make it happen faster.

>>714587628
>corporations buttfucking you is good actually

>>714587854
Incorrect.

>>714587628
kill yourself you faggot whale parasite

notice the only people who defends FREE MARKET are those with capital
>just make more money!!

bros

>>714594923
There always seems to be a prevalent voice in these conversations that amount to
>you shouldn't want things to get better, otherwise when you too are rich you won't be able to take advantage of it

>>714584498 (OP)
>sign the petition
>EU looks at it and says its retarded
>goys think they did something

lol

>>714596392
Not a petition.

>>714596392
It's an ECI, not a simple petition.

>>714596503

>>714596392
>just. fucking. give. up.

>>714596392
>Sign the initiative
>EU looks at it since that's the process
>They start licking their chops that they have an excuse to regulate big corporations more
>New law goes in the book mandating end of service plans for video games
>Precedent is set for the inevitable expansion to all software and hardware
Total victory.

>>714596957
>other counties had petitions so that means the ECI is also a petition

>>714597041
I even put the yellow paint on it

>>714585525
...Are you acting like this very problem isn't a thing with AAA games that companies simply don't give a shit about fixing?
Did you forget the classic CODs on steam?
Titanfall 2?
Team Fortress 2 having horrible expliots for years?
The leaks and Hacks playstation has every 5 years?
Most of these companies already have shit exactly like your greentext happen and they receive zero consequences for it every time.

>>714597341
Not a petition.

>>714597460
Not an argument.

>>714589354
SKG also has a great pedigree of supporters on Youtube like the RighttoRepair guy from a few years ago, GamerNexus, and of course, Ross himself.

On the other side is Jason and the empty suits in the predatory gaming industry.

>>714587628
>IP and copyright laws up the ass
>fee market

You are a dumb gorilla nigger cattle

>>714595830
The Hero we needed but didn't deserve. What a saint.

>>714587535
>NOOOO THINK OF THE SMALL INDIE LIVE SERVICE MICROTRANSACTION SLOP COMPANIES

>>714585525
I hear ya, anon. At the very least I hope it is a big enough pain in the ass that developers will stop making live service games at all instead of going through the hassle to put a band-aid on it for the retards crying.

>>714597020
Just imagine if people hating the pirate software nigga brought the demise of software licenses altogether, and now every software comes with a permanent, unrevocable ownership over it, even if it's a subscription service.

>>714589354
Wait but wouldn't from piRATs perspective all the pushback he is getting mean he is in the right????

>NOOOOOO YOU CANT BAN CHILD LABOUR THINK OF THE INDIE COAL MINE COMPANIES
>NOOOOOO YOU CANT BAN LEAD IN PAINT THINK OF THE THE INDIE PAINT COMPANIES
>NOOOOOO YOU CANT BAN SLAVERY THINK OF THE SMALL COTTON PLANTATIONS

>>714585215
>they want to force developers to forever be chained to a desk taking a dildo up the ass
Stop I can only get so hard

>>714587535
If you're a indie dev and make always-online live service shit, you're a dumbass.

>>714587602
moron youre just giving he ferret fag more attention than he deserves

>>714599576
Bring back indoor smoke sections though.

if this movement succeeds they should do another one for owning your steam games

>>714585418
>Just don't play it.
No, it must be killed.

Ive no idea what any of this is about
Im too old for this crap

>>714600065
Controlling live service garbage and stopping jewish devs from taking away a product people paid for. Read the FAQ.

>>714599576
Literally all of these changes were bad
>child labour bans meant children could not work, allowing jeets and spics to take their jobs
>lead in paint allowed for faster drying and longer lasting paintjobs, meaning less money spent on repainting the walls every few years
>black “slaves” were treated 10x on plantations then they ever have with the government, and commited less crimes. Not to mention how most “slaves” loved their jobs
Government regulations are the cause of this

>>714600172
but live service games feature is that they die and go away
this will never pass in asia

>>714586459
>Wahhh, no, you have to overly politicize every interaction and include this big stupid list of progressive bullshit in every single thing you do
>You're not allowed to agree and cooperate on individual issues because developer of who the fuck cares said so

>anti-SKG fags have resorted to defending slavery and child labour

>>714599643
>No argument
>But lol your meme arrow gone
I accept your concession, eceleb faggot. Your Thoranny and TRossany will never be video games and you will never be a woman

>>714587708
>>714587775
>>714587958
>>714598442
>>714599749
Are you retards for real? You realize 90% of gachaslop is indie?
>"Hah but I want indie gachaslop to die!"
Okay cool, you just admitted your movement is predatory and wants to destroy developers. That's why it won't pass, just like you will never pass as a real woman, SKG trannies

Being against jewish live service shit shouldn't be a controversial opinion.
>>714600289
The initiative is mainly aiming for Europe. Which also successfully declared that it's legal for people to sell their used software licences that they're no longer using, by the way.

More regulation is always bad, thats all I know.
No one is going to play these garbage games once they stop getting updates
This is going to make the industry worse for zero benefit

>>714600465
>gachaslop will die
Oh nooooooo

>>714600239
>Not to mention how most “slaves” loved their jobs
somehow doubtful considering the haitian revolution was a thing but I guess picking cotton was better than processing sugar cane.

>>714600465
Literally yes. See>>714599576

>>714600363
typical marxist tactic of dividing people
>Nooo dont unite against the jeews, look dont you hate each other? you are different races and classes!!! fight fight fight!!

>>714600504
Yes, I know that you burgers think goverment regulations are a bad thing. That's why your companies are allowed to fill you with cancer.

Balldobros.. our three-peat

>>714600676
>that image quality

>>714600676
Now we just need High Fructose Corn Syrup and whatever the fuck is in our chocolate banned.

>>714600670
Jews are the upper class so they are correct about that

>>714600593
southerners unironically started treating their slaves better because of the consequences of the slave revolt in saint-domingue

>>714600770
>banning corn syrup
The US will never do that, your government is part of the reason they put that on everything.

>>714600878
If all the golems are overweight (70% btw) who's gonna pump sportsball games and crime rates when everyone is diabetic? Yeah, thought so.

>>714600676
>UK
the same government regulations that give the ok to immigrants to behead natives and jail whites for saying no-no words on twitter lmao

>>714589938
>>714588675
>>714586546
>>714586459
>>714584498 (OP)
You fucking cockbreath eceleb bastards are a fucking disgrace to /v/ and video gamers throughout the world. Go play video games instead of giving a shit about these goddamn manwhores

>>714600878
Most problems with US food and land use would get fixed if they got rid of corn subsidies. No need to ban anything.

>>714600465
you dont buy gacha tho?

>>714584498 (OP)
notice how you have to obfuscate it by saying "X" and "Y" instead of just repeating what this faggot said because you would be called out on being wrong

>>714585570
>SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
ah yes
all those online-only on servers hosted by the devs indie games

>>714601219
>look mommy I posted it again! I bet mr. Miyamoto-sensei likes me now!

>>714601219
>appeal to obtuse

>>714585570
>SKG will never pass in its current state
what fucking "state" you troglodyte
its not a law proposal, its an initiative
they will literally just send it to the eu parliment and tell them to figure this shit out

>>714601614
>>714601609
>look mom, I love non-vidya uglyass manwhores so much!

>>714601932
>can we just go back to posting AIslop porn and defending Nintendo?? this is getting too political!

Imagine a world where when you wanted PhotoShop, the consumer paid for a perpetual license to have the program and nothing took it away
But now imagine that you removed perpetual licenses and put everyone into a subscription service. They would not be able to have ownership of the program they're paying for, they're just renting it from month to month. You can tell them that they will get updates and access to the Adobe suite, and they say they don't want that, but you've taken away the option. It's become a perpetual wallet or nothing. Similarly, Stop Killing Games requires developers to release a version of a live service game that they've deemed no longer profitable, meaning that players who have invested time and money will still have what they invested that time and money into. A world without games as a service and software as a service is like a world without mosquitos.

Can you really justify that?

>>714602050
>can we just go back to posting uglyass manwhores and their faggy mandrama?? this is getting too vidya!

>>714602148
>just be cynical and care about nothing like me! I even posted a tranime image!

>714602210
>Eceleb tranny calling anything tranny
lol lmao

>>714600465
>"Hah but I want indie gachaslop to die!"
>Okay cool, you just admitted your movement is predatory and wants to destroy developers.
Stop right there nigger, Just because I want gacha to die doesn't mean that's the purpose of SKG, it would just be a side effect.

>waa waa think of the devs
the devs don't matter

here's the fun part about anything coming from thor, it's that all his assumptions is that the devs want all this garbage in their games; they don't, the suits do, the board does, whoever is paying them, does, the devs themselves don't (or don't care since they still get paid)

it doesn't matter either way because it'll be another five years before the boomers from the EU read the petition anyways, let alone do anything about it, plenty of time for the kikes to fill their pockets and find the next loophole to fuck you over

>>714585570
>the EU board filled with boomers cares about indie devs
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
>it'll never pass!!!
get fucked

>>714602092
isn't adobe photoshop already like that? I'm pretty sure it's subscription based now.

>>714603120
It is. Louis Rossmann tried lobbying against it but he's too stupid and tries lobbying against big corporations in america of all places.
Hopefully SKG, being pushed to a body that actually gives a damn about consumer rights, opens a precedent for other kinds of software too.

>>714602348
>I defend companies on /v/ for free

This entire movement is just ecelebs having an excuse to make videos to make money

HOLD THE FUCKING THREAD

AND LOOK AT THIS POST

>>714601437

THAT RETARD, A SKG SYMPATHIZER, THINKS THE LAW ONLY APPLIES TO PAY 2 PLAY GAMES, AND NOT TO FREEMIUM GAMES WITH MICROTRANSACTIONS

LMAOOOO

THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING STATE OF SKG TRANNIES

>>714603686
oh no gachas are gonna die too!
anyway...

>>714603915
They won't because your little stupid ass faggot e-celeb petition will not achieve shit

>NOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING
>says the shill, while spending his saturday evening crying and shitting his pants in defence of his jewish overlords

>>714605463
You are the SKG shill. I am the anti-shill.

>>714584498 (OP)
The ENTIRE gaming industry must be purged. Kill EVERY SINGLE GAMING COMPANY, then we'll be content.

>>714605869
Cool Jimmy. Your little assassin movement will not succeed.

>>714605510
what do you get out of being opposed to a movement that leaves the games you payed for in a playable state once they hit end of life?

>>714585525
As if we needed more evidence tranime fags are retarded

>>714585747
It's not what the initiative is requesting you're retarded

You know what? I coundn't care less if developers shut down because they can't produce more live service games.

>>714585525
>company is still responsible for something that they cut ties with
lol
lmao even

>>714600676
imagine being bri'ish and having the balls to act like you eat better when you fuckers have a higher obesity rate than murikans and your favorite foods are canned american heinz beans on bread and fried shit with fake malt vinegar

I'm not american btw before you waste time crying about schwool schwootings

>>714609047
The entire point of this law is that the company is responsible for making the game available to customers forever somehow.

>>714584498 (OP)
Eceleb thread, not video games

>>714605463
This pic is subjective. It depends on if the topic in question isnt slid or otherwise buried by indirect posts. Further, the mere awareness of a tactic encourages the provacateurs to reverse pattern as well. Critically, you should realize this can also be inverted entirely by virtue of that fact, to manipulate and well poison all the same. Though I do ponder individuation of instance in which anons, and perhaps internet users as a collective, are isolated to algorithmic interactions with other anons, invariably intermingled with personnel that may address or dissuade ideas, if not bots to distract from a given emergent motivation or thought. Do not underestimate the lengths they may go.

>>714610782
This reads like an AI post.

>>714610893
>anyone that is not a SKG tranny is AI

>>714587846
Because game devs (more like suits, but others will copy them) finally figured out how to put planned obsolescence in digital products and now there's a petition to take away their ability to do so. Obviously they're pissed, they just have to say
>it's because it'll hurt us developers, you don't want to hurt us do you? :(((
instead of
>fuck this stupid petition, it's gonna cost me a bunch of potential earnings because not everyone will migrate from game 1 to game 2 since I can no longer shut down game 1

>>714587535
I'm not even aware of any live-service indie games and if they exist the devs deserve to fail.