Thread 714588125

Goypass is killing games

>>714588125 (OP)
Stop. *clap*
Killing. *clap*
Games.

>>714588238
I should say killing studios

>>714588331
has gamepass really been around that long? it feels like its only been a thing for 5 or 6 years

>>714588342
OP is Australian obviously.

>>714588125 (OP)
Nah, exclusives are and have always been killing games.

>>714588469
about 8 years

>>714588469
>gamepass
It is officially 8 years and one month old.

>>714588125 (OP)
Uuuuuuuuh

>>714588654
published by devolver iirc

>>714588125 (OP)
I mean yeah. Nobody is under the delusion that the program is working at all. They're just happy to enjoy games for nearly nothing until Microsoft comes to their senses and kills it.

Is it really the gamepass or is it the games are bad? Do they ever put good games on a gamepass?

>>714588757
>nearly nothing
Goypass is expensive

>>714588331
That one is true.
That reality is currently hitting movie/show streaming services. Now that the hype period is all but over and the flood of seemingly endless investor money has dried up, it has turned out that streaming service subscriptions are actually worse long term deal for studios than movie ticket and DVD sales used to be, but there is no going back to the old model anymore because the audience has been conditioned to prefer streaming.

>>714588905
>Third worlders are starting to find gp expensive
It's over

>>714588909
They need to make theaters more fun to get families to come out again

This guy has a point. If it were a gamepass issue, then it wouldn't have been layoffs across the entirety of Microsoft. Gamepass can only account for the games divsion. AI is clearly the actual elephant in the room here.

when gamepass goes away all your saved games and access goes too.
at any point can they just add a pro tier paywall locking u from all games

>>714588905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZuBlolRfQ

>>714589336
>all your saved games and access goes too.

>>714589330
Case in point

>>714589206
when companies exhaust the meme learning scam, they're gonna rugpull it by getting the government involved and leaving one company out to get fucked, while they point to it as a safe excuse to exit (which will also make number go up too).
I'm betting it will be on Facebook.

just like how Xwitter is killing books

>>714588905
you don't keep paying it
you get it for a month when a game you want to play comes out, then cancel once you're finished until the next game comes out

>>714589084
>goypass is too good to be true
$15/month forever isn't too good to be true. I literally get more value from Steam sales

>>714588125 (OP)
here is the truth. some faggot buys game pass subscriptions with a stolen credit card then jews me by selling them to me. i have know jewd microjeet by not paying them their retarded subscription then microjeet jews everyone. the circle of jewing is complete

>>714588889
Personally i liked most of their indie/third party games, but even if you're not into that, there's literally all the xbox exclusives worth a damn, not to mention Bethesda games, and EA games depending on you what tier you're paying.

Gamepass is just a retarded model, why pay $60 for a game you'll finish once when you can pay peanuts and play it AND other games?

>>714589673
Remember when new accounts only had to pay $1 (or at least it was that much in my country) for their first gamepass subscription? It was so easy to exploit and lasted me years

>>714589336
do they not offer some way to transfer your save to an "owned" copy of the game? lmao

>>714589874
i used to convert gold into ultimate. good times

>>714589935
He is full of shit. Unless he meant they remove installed games, but that isn't true either.

What a retard. MS is doing cuts for AI as a whole, not just for video games.

>>714590442
Is that what @retardfaggot said on Twitter?

>>714589935
I don't know how it is on Xbox, but save data for PS games works regardless of the source (physical, digital, or PS+), as long as it's the same version.

>introduce game pass
>buy the entire western games industry
>company has to constantly implode to post profits and appease shareholders
The future is bright

>>714589206
Contrary to popular armchair analysis, companies are capable of multiple fuckups simultaneously. They have been pouring enormous amounts of money down the drain on gamepass hoping to put sony out of business and it's mostly just damaging studios and Microsoft's bottom line.
They've been setting fire to yet more money to buy studios to get all that sweet publishing money except they then pack them full of DEI hires and produce nothing.
Faced with a widening black hole of no money on the balance sheets they start flailing around for a solution and inevitably decide on layoffs which looks bad so they casually mention AI as if they have realised it's a solution to their problems which works on low knowledge investors.

>sell games for $1
>studios le die
Who could have predicted this?????????????????????????????

>>714588125 (OP)
>nooo we NEED to charge $80 a game
>rentals KILLED video games in the 90s

>>714591121
>microsoft swoops in and buys them out for shortchange once they file for bankruptcy
4D chess

>>714588238
4chan really has become Reddit. Literal faggy clapbacks and slacktivism.

>>714591301
>buying empty companies
where's the astral realm checkmate in this?

>>714591046
They kneecap themselves for no reason as well.
Diablo IV was just introduced in the bottom tier of ps+, game pass core still doesn't have.
They are rellying on everybody BUT their core fanbase to keep themselves afloat.

>>714589681
>why pay $60 for a game you'll finish once when you can pay peanuts and play it AND other games?
That's the insidiousness of it. You are getting the great deal of cheap rentals for games you don't intend to play repeatedly, much like us oldfags did with blockbuster back in the day. But something that couldn't be done in the 90s but can now is MTX. I've said since the beginning of gamepass that the eventual outcome of this is that GP games will start to look more and more like live service trash as microsoft reduces the payment so much that to make money they have to sell you season passes and DLC. And then once you have paid for addons you are going to be even more reluctant to cancel your GP sub because then you'll lose all the stuff you "bought." Hell, that's what the EA sidecar service on GP is all about. Here's "access" to a bunch of games. Buy the DLC to get the full experience.
Like all these "too good to be true" services we see a typical pattern. Early days it's amazing with high quality games every month. Then they start to disappear faster, the quality of releases go down, they start to over rely on indies and microsoft studios stuff to make up the bulk. Price rises and service tiers inevitably follow.

>>714591682
Maybe start complaining when it actually gets bad then.

>>714591259
>rentals KILLED video games in the 90s
It didn't kill them, but it hurt them. American versions of some games were made harder or more grindy to limit the number of people marathoning a rental over the weekend and not translating to a sale. It was the death of the short arcade experience too. All games had to become 20+ hour slogs or bullshit difficulty walls to defeat the demon rental customer.
Now we have other methods of doing that and they are much worse.

>>714591259
>>rentals KILLED video games
I wish...

>>714591867
>Maybe start complaining when it actually gets bad then.
You mean wait until it's too late and every major release is live service? Great plan. Hell, I'd say for Microsoft studios it's already too late. Their bullshit has smelled for a LONG time. Enormous base cost + season passes, or shit rentals.

>>714592307
>gamepass is failing
>but it's also so popular that it dictates the entire industry

>>714588125 (OP)
It's a service with a monthly fee, there's nothing to talk about. You get exactly what you pay for.

>>714591121
The only games that will be able to survive the gamepass curse are the ones that appeal to China, since gamepass isn't really a thing in China.

>>714588540
Austrians can time travel??

>>714591046
Crazy to think that companies actively lose money through bad ideas. Like, the company could've done literally nothing and would be better off.

>>714593647
you don't think they would lose money if they released nothing?

he worked on many great games and in the industry for a while so he's probably right

>>714593647
It is the curse of being publicly traded, they must always chase hypothetical money to please the sacred investors. Shareholders would never accept settling for money they already make, why on Earth would they invest on tech company that does not seek explosive perpetual growth? Aiming for the moon is the point of tech investment. If the shareholders want reliable and steady long term profits and stability they would have put their money on money market funds, US treasury and low risk corporate and government bonds, not on a tech company.

>>714593647
>Crazy to think that companies actively lose money through bad ideas
they do it all the fucking time
look up doc on any failed businesse a lot of the would've survived if it wasn't for some really bad ideas

i think goyimpass would've been a better thing if it was just library of pretty old games no one buys anymore that gets updated on yearly basis

instead pumping out 6-7/10s every month and spending billions to acquire studios

>>714593647
Read pic related, it is insane how retarded people handling multibillion dollar fortunes can be.
Some of the Theranos investors kept defending Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos even after the evidence of it being nothing but a scam was out in the open.

>>714594764
it also could have added new (AAA) games that have been out for 1 year+, since AAA games rarely care about sales after that.

>>714594802
Honestly, anyone who doubts the retardation of investors after seeing all the money they dumped into NFTs and "web3" scams is themselves a fucking retard.
Fucking Faceberg has literally lost $100+ BILLION in less than 5 years from pumping endless amounts of money into their worthless "Metaverse" garbage that looks like a shitty Roblox mod.
Anyone with a brain could tell you that this shit isn't worth $80k, let alone $100B.

I dont think it's gamepass' fault that studios are taking a decade to release a game. If anything, it was enabling it. Microsoft finally realized that subsidizing slop isnt working and shutdown games that had 5-8 years of development with no end in sight.

>>714588905
Its really not unless the person is a retard and subs constantly. I subbed for 1 month to play the Oblivion Remaster and Expedition 33 and it was like 15 bucks or something. I'll probably sub for 1 month again at the end of the year to play Hollow Knight 2 and Outer Worlds 2.

>>714589336
I dont replay games. I just play flavour of the month games and move on

>>714588125 (OP)
sorry I'm just never gonna get gamepass

>>714588125 (OP)
People be like "Fuck Microsoft, I can't believe they're literally firing people and replacing them with AI" and then still spend $10-15 a month on gamepass.

Why is no-one talking about the elephant in the room? Cough cough (Twitter faggot threads)

>>714595031
would've been a much better deal for devs than day one on game pass

>>714588331
Yes that's generally been the idea. Offer a very competitive service as a form of predatory pricing, extinguish other offerings, and then jack up the price when you've cornered the market and any other model is uncompetitive

>>714588905
It's about 30 minutes of my labour, after tax. What is this third worlder talking about?

>>714589336
Also part of it. At some point they wanted to push for
>gamepass exclusive games (nobody owns it)
>streaming games despite how horrible it is (then push for the end of user-owned hardware because you don't need to run your own games)

>>714597362
Streaming games were fine if they are Telltale-ish games. Lag doesn't matter in those.

They were comfy to play on my phone over streaming when out of home for some stupid shit, especially with a Backbone controller. If they got studios to produce more of those, people would play them over cloud.

>>714594764
so basically what ps plus, nso and a couple more publishers do?

it's realistically the more sense to do. Yes, one can argue that those doesn't give you all the AAA games day one and as a consumer why would you pay 60/70/80 dollars for a game when i could pay 15 dollars and get over with it. That's why so many 3rd worlders buy the suscription + regional pricing helps since it's even cheaper. But once you understand how much it actually hurts the studios and everything else around you start to wonder how are you gonna make those people to start buying games full price again if they want them day one. And also you realize how those publishers realize how much of a fuckup would do to go doing that game pass business model

>>714589336
save games are usually transferrable tho as long as they're saved locally. I've literally pirated games to try them and bought them afterwards and my saves always carry over

>>714588331
there are no good worthwhile games on gamepass

>>714591682
>And then once you have paid for addons
What do you mean by that? Game Pass games are always base edition, always have been. I can open the Xbox app right now and buy DLC or MTX for any of the multiple games I don't own, I'll "own" the DLC on my Microsoft account but it'll be useless once I stop paying for Game Pass access.

>>714598828
it's better for everyone other than infinite growth fags
>companies have to pay less to have a good library
>studios can get a fat check after the same sales go in the dump
>players can play a lot of great games for a reasonable price instead of getting blasted with ads for avowed

>>714598828
not mention setting up a terrible standard because then no one would buy anything other than AAA for anything more than 5-10 bucks

>>714589618
That's why its too good to be true, retard. They don't make money on it currently and will massively jack up the price over time.

>>714600231
Wrong
>doom series
>e33
>atlus rpgs
>stalker 2

>>714588331
>I think
So it's bullshit then

>>714600931
Wrong
>shit series
>shit game
>shit rpgs by a shit dev
>shit 2

>>714600920
>That's why its too good to be true
so where's the "too good" part?

hes right, why would microsoft care about the quality of games if they aren't selling them
its the same shit with netflix, once they realized that all their movies were doing is adding a number to the catalog number they just started pumping out slop
if microsoft doesnt care about sales, why would they care about quality or future releases? in fact, they have financial incentive for you to not play games

>>714589206
>AI
No, H1B's

I'm sure a lot of these layoffs are from covid bloat hires also. No one fired from these game dvisions are good makers we're going to miss. They're all middle management useless bodies, or purple hairs, or just shit menial programmers that are going to be replaced by SAARS

>>714601231
and why would studio care about the quality when they get a flat rate from MS

>>714601231
>>714602379
and what happens when subscriber counts inevitably drop due to low quality?

>>714603382
Who cares, the world beyond next financial quarter is not real to publicly traded corporations.

>>714588125 (OP)
Wait a few years for some games to be goy pass exclusive and price jumps to something ridicule like $60 a month.

Phil Spencer is a liar and /r/ /v/ third world gaming bought into a Series S to rent games. Wow, fucking shocker bro.

>>714603494
Does the shitbox even work without goypass sub or is it just a glorified cucksole which requires constant subscription and connection to the internet to let you even play vidya on it?

>>714588909
That Disney pass has been losing money for them since it started, they're trying to rope in users before upping the price.
Game pass is similar, Microsoft is losing big time with it, but they want user acquisition. They're a 2 trillion dollar corporation so they can eat the costs, but if they don't see things improving on long term projections, they will pull the plug on it.
I fucking hate Microsoft and Windows and will never use Gamepass.

>>714603382
ms shuts it down and writes off and you'll bunch of gofundme from most obnoxious women

The real problem is that good tardwranglers are very scarce for some reason. You'd think that there'd be a plethora of good managers out there but they seem very rare. Maybe managers nowadays are too afraid of getting involved because their job would be on the line if social media gets ahold of some 'crunch' or 'slave-driving' article? Idk. Microsoft was way too lax with their studios this generation and it bit them in the ass. These studios do not have the ability to output anything unless someone is constantly whipping them into shape. It's not even a Microsoft problem. Nintendo's Retro Studios spent like 6 years trying to shit out an unfinished "disney movie licensed videogame" tier shovelware game until Nintendo told them to stop being fucking stupid retards and handed them Prime 4. Fuck, even on the same topic as Prime 4, Bandai Namco spent the same amount of time trying to shit out a version of Prime 4 that was so dogshit, they had to tell Bamco to fuck off and hand it to Retro Studios.

>>714601228
The too good part is that the status quo of it being a good deal won't last.

>>714589206
>It's not Game Pass
>stop shitting on Game Pass
I can't wait for Game Pass to fail in 2027 so GPfags can off themselves.

>>714589336
Should have bought the games, faggot, too bad.

GPfags better get ready, Game Pass's prices are going to jump up significantly. Wouldn't even be surprised if Day Ones go away forever. Game Pass will fail once the Xbox traditional consoles are cut off. Windows can't save Game Pass. More and more devs will not put their games on Game Pass

>>714606797
It would be the funniest shit if they just returned to the Xbox Gold model

>>714603382
they give it out for free a bunch so it goes back up and investors are fooled :^)

>>714589874
That's still the case now; how do I exploit it?

>>714607338
Ez, just make another outlook account, then make another xbox profile, buy gamepass, then set it as the main account on your xbox (so you can still take advantage of it using your actual maik profile), rinse and repeat

>>714591373
That's just what modern Europeans are like.

>it Microsoft does it, it’s bad!
> but Nintendo and niggerville? That’s A-Okay!

>>714588125 (OP)
Don't blame me, I have no gamepass. Subscriptions are the milking of the cattle.

>>714588631
It's only 8 years and one month? You sick fuck!

>>714590889
Same on XBox, plus you can transfer your saves to the PC version in most games.

>>714588540
Kill him before he spreads!

>>714588331
>They'll either kill everyone else, or give up.
So Microsoft wins the console war? b-based?

>>714588342
>He didn't pay extra for real life early access

>>714609010
They've already lost, their big master plan failed and only brought Microsoft Corp. into the mix who only care about AI.

>>714608995
goatse?

name one game that became less successful because of game pass

>>714588125 (OP)
i love gamepass

>>714588125 (OP)
This guy's game (weird west) would not exist with the game pass deal he took btw.

>>714607560
But how do I transfer my saves and achievements?

>>714588331
>>714588909

how i understand it is this. companies feel compelled to sign on with GS because it reduces their marketing cost substantially and creates a baseline audience exposure for their games over an extended period of time. at the same time this creates a monomarket for consumers, who suddenly have a dwindling option of interesting new games coming out. imagine of Expedition 33 was on GS exclusive. the same thing happens with movies--people are afraid to engage in marketing because the cost of their product is so inordinately high (like games) and they aren't actually sure if their product will have demand and so they go with a safe option that they can then wave off to investors saying "well Microsoft managed it and we're in good hands with them," its basically because there are so many subpar games and movies that now they default sell to aggregator streaming corps for a loss. you have ppl selling 300k movies for 10k to Filmhub. same concept

It's not game pass, retard, your games just suck. Expedition 33 did excellent while being on Game Pass.

Name a single thing in gaming that isn't 'goy'

>>714613382
Same. I’ve saved so much money by just doing nothing and completing game pass games and getting platinums.

Whatever I'm enjoying it for all I can while it's still available I've never played so many games. I typically buy 2-3 games over the entire life of a console

X as a service never works longterm, the greed will always kill the service

>>714614513
expedition 33 sold magnitudes more on playstation and also had on average way more played hours

>>714615729
Retard.

>>714615649
Sony had subscription based games in the late 90s. Microsoft wasn’t first to do this

>>714588125 (OP)
Maybe make good games, and it'll still sell regardless of Gamepass?

>>714588125 (OP)
>>714588331
It's weird that gamers seem to be the one demographic most resistant to subscription based services. No, I don't mean MMOs.
I mean that the music industry is almost entirely based on streaming now (spotify, apple music, etc). The film industry is putting movies on streaming platforms the same day or within just a month or two. TV is obviously predominantly streaming now. Very few people own albums or blurats of films/TV.
However, while gamepass does have a lot of subscribers just through the sheer amount of content it offers, people are still choosing to buy their games. While it is true that you don't "own" them on Steam or PSN or Nintedo's Eshop, the average consumer is just not interested in all of their games being on some pass they pay monthly for. It is interesting to me.

Less than .0001% if games are in game pass. If you're game was good people would play it, simple as

Good

>>714588125 (OP)
the plan was clearly to offer great value for nearly free, and then when all the competitors had given up, do what kikeflix is currently doing and jack up the price. only problem is that it never really became that big and now they are skipping step 2 and are going straight to step 3, which is "jack up the prices" step...

>>714616358
This gamepass is just a scapegoat when in reality most of these games aren't worth playing even if they are "free" on gamepass I won't touch Avowed despite having access to it. Anything I really love I'm willing to buy to have it in my library