You vill own nothing and you vill be happy

https://www.videogameseurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/VGE-Position-Discontinuation-of-Support-to-Online-Games-04072025.pdf

yes, they're full of shit. The real issue is that they want 100% control over a game, and it's also why they so tightly control source code. they hate the idea of a private server for this reason.

>>714588390 (OP)
Shouldn't it be "Why providing continued support DOES not work for all games?"
They sound real smart.

>>714588390 (OP)
Rossbros... we got two cookie
Thor was right all along

>>714588390 (OP)
>lobbying group funded by all the big AAA publishers
>release a statement saying that something that goes against what they want won't succeed and should be ignored
NO! You don't say?

>>714588390 (OP)

snake lawyers

>>714588390 (OP)
Dude they figured it out in the 80s. They're literally running the server right now, the janitor can do it, you just take the files your running, and upload them.

>>714588390 (OP)
All he's asking is for them to do what Nintendo or Rocksteady did with Animal Crossing and Suicide Slop.

Just end the service but before you do, release a patch or a new build of the game that's recompiled to be offline-only, and it has all the content.

That's all people are asking.

>>714588390 (OP)
They are using the same talking points Pirate Software used LMAO

https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/
>We understand that it can be disappointing for players but, when it does happen, the industry ensures that players are given fair notice of the prospective changes in compliance with local consumer protection laws.
In other words, "we aren't breaking any existing laws, so your concerns are invalid".
It's going to be very funny seeing them squirm once new laws are made.

>>714588390 (OP)
You already posted this thread.

Stop spamming your e-celeb bullcrap.

>shills and corpo fags are seething
Kek
They are afraid

meanwhile their Twitter page
>right to play
oh nonono

>>714589036
>right to pay*

>>714588390 (OP)
that's a lot of words for saying nothing of relevance

>>714588390 (OP)
>that last paragraph
Maybe we need a petition to end 'game licenses' too.

>>714588390 (OP)
This will backfire MASSIVELY.
Screencap this, SKG will only grow bigger because of this statement.

>>714588792
That will cost an extra hundred dollars to pay a guy to code it in, while leading to no additional sales. Obviously businesses are against wasteful spending like that.

>>714588864
>our board:
>warner bros, garbage company
>EA, garbage company
>Activision, garbage company
>Embracer, literally who
>Microsoft, Xbox division currently going under
>NoE, literally who version of garbage Japanese company
>SOIE, literally who of a nogaems company
>Take 2, 100 dollar GTA6
>Ubisoft, garbage company
>Bamco, garbage company
>Squenix, garbage company
really makes you think

>>714589036
That's the most soulless claymation I've ever seen.

>>714589358
Embracer is old THQ Nordic, and you know how good THQ is doing

>>714589358
>Embracer, literally who
jews

>>714589484
the entire board basically

>>714589303
Doesn't matter how big it grows. Unwashed masses should not dictate how things "should" work when they lack even basic understanding on the topic.

>be legally obliged to release server software
>"but don't worry bro you don't have to patch it or anything, just leave it to the players"
>2 years later there are so many exploits that merely playing the game puts you at risk of people running arbitrary code in your system
>little Jimmy gets hacked and the money of his parents is stolen
>they sue your company back to the stone ages
>"b-but judge bro the players said I didn't have to patch the game look it's the heckin SKG movement, the youtuber man said it was up to the players to patch the game and I would not be responsible anymore!!!! I thought the gaymers were above consumer laws come on!!!!"

>>714589825
>buy a car from blizzmotors
>a random dude cuts the break lines and you have an accident
>this means you can sue blizzmotors

>>714588390 (OP)
I can't wait for the "Ownership" petition.

We really need another golden age like when mobile games started trending. The goys are getting rowdy.

>>714589315
It's not wasteful spending. It's irresponsible and stupid to even need to do it to begin with. It's a %100 avoidable problem that they are claiming can't be fixed because they refuse to simply change the way they operate.
Which is why they are being forced to change.

>>714588390 (OP)
Man, all that time spent talking about how much work goes into these games, and all I can think about is how the games will cease to exist because a publisher just sees them as disposable money-printers.

>>714589986
Try food analogy next time, retard.

>>714589825
>they sue your company back to the stone ages
There's plenty of old discontinued software available to this day that's unpatched
If vulnerable software was grounds for a lawsuit once it's out of the devs hands then these lawsuits would already be common

>>714589825
This argument has been debunked months ago, you bootlicking filth.

>>714590093
Try beating my argument next time, retard.

i love these threads and the dimwit take s people here have

>>714589036
>RIGHT to Play
What's the most important aspect about any game? Being able to fucking PLAY it.

>>714590190
You have no argument. You barfed some nonsense about cars.

>>714589825
Yeah I'm sure game companies wouldn't think of adding every provision possible to protect their ass. 0/10 ragebait lil bro do better next time.

>>714589825
Yet there were warnings not to ingest soap. There are parents and grifters who will sue the IP holders of a game because some idiot told their kid to kill themselves on a Pokemon Scarlet private server.

>>714590093
The only retard is the dumb child pretending the video game industry didn't become a worldwide multi-billion-dollar industry 30 years ago WITHOUT ALWAYS-ONLINE

You have no real argument. You never will. It will always be fantasy that ignores reality. It's why you will lose.

>>714590265
It's the same thing.
>Blizzard releases WoW server code for public
>some random dude personally hacks your computer
>this means you can sue Blizzard
That's not how anything works, retard.

>>714589825
shit, so I can just go online with IE 5 on Windows XP, get hacked, then sue Microsoft for an easy gorillion? LETS GOOOOO

>>714589789
jew

>>714590265
i accept your concession.

>>714589825
>>they sue your company back to the stone ages
This literally can't happen, as the company has forgoed all rights and responsibilities related to the product.

>>714590265
You're an actual retard holy shit.
How did you even figure out how to post?

>>714589825
ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, NOT EVEN FOR FITNESS FOR PARTICULAR PURPOSE

>>714588390 (OP)
>new content and experiences being added to the game during it's lifespan is argument for why they should be allowed to make it nonfunctional for all consumers whenever they please
i am living on a planet covered in retards. covered in it. if you picked up a marble covered similarly in arsenic you would die

>>714588390 (OP)
No one is telling you to keep providing service. They are telling you to at least release the binaries or the code so other people can keep playing the game as if... you know, they owned it or something.

>>714590429
>>714590489
>>714590504
Children.

>>714590696
>release the source code, and now malicious hackers can find all exploits to inject viruses into your game and onto other players.
Nice Job!

>>714590696
You dont own games though

>>714589825
Microsoft recently added some of the older CoD games to gamepass.
The same CoD games that never go on sale, are riddled with vulnerabilities and require external software to play online without being hacked.
Microsoft didn't give a fuck.

>>714589789
THIS! SO MUCH THIS!
Only our jewish overlords should have any say in anything because us filthy gentiles are too stupid for that. It's a good thing they always have our best interests in their mind.

>>714590914
And that apparently isn't happening already?

>>714590696
>release code
You fucking wish

>>714588390 (OP)
one of the first things they say is that if they let people do whatever they want then people will say booboo words online and commit crimes and that the companies will be held liable.

absolute crock shit, we had a good 2 decades of listen servers and self hosted dedicated ones where we yelled nigger without issue. you banned the whiners so they couldn't see and all was well. If a company ends support, says adios you're on your own, and someone says nigger in the chat how or why are they held liable for this crime? They just want control, the idea that if someone says a bad word then the company that produced the software that allowed you to type the illegal gamer word is responsible is retarded

If you want to see what lawless servers look like without company maintenance, dust off your old PS3 or Xbox, load up MW2, and find a match. Let's see how fast they can riddle your PS3 with viruses and corrupt its HDD.

>>714588390 (OP)
>first they ignore you
>then they fight you
>then you win
SHRIMPLE AS

>>714589825
>> buy an old windows XP machine
>> its no longer supported and easily exploited
>> sue microsoft


Dude you are a fucking genius you just made all of us MILLIONAIRES

>>714590460
>>714590943
>da joos, everyting is their fault!
>lets go and ask the same jews that run everything for help!

Damn you're pathetic.
Majority of people are below average(per definition) intelligence and average is dumb. You're prime example.

>>714590914
>release the source code, and now malicious hackers can find all exploits to inject viruses into your game and onto other players.
Oh no! People missbehaving justifies denying any kind of property right that we might have.

Quickly! Abandon your home before someone squats in it

>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO KEEP SERVERS UP PERMANENTLY WAAAAAH WAAAAAH
they made the game they get to decide
play something else

If fucking square enix can even release an offline version of dragon quest X then I don't want to hear how it's impossible. Depending on your game you can let players host the games, the servers or make an offline version. Even some fucking gacha games let players download offline versions after games EOS. How the fuck are you even less consumer friendly than fucking gacha games?

>>714590914
I just know they're gonna try this one.

>>714588390 (OP)
Aren't they misinterpreting the initative again? The initiative never asked for games to be supported forever.

>>714591449
You already lost. You're free, bot.
>>714591710
I mean... Yeah, but deliberately, again.

>>714591710
They are, but that's their job. You're looking at a lobbying group.
They get paid to advance the goals of whatever company pays them.

>>714590915
You, maybe.

It's pretty obvious how many people have never played a game on a private server before.

>The consumer does not acquire ownership of that video game. These clear intellectual property rights underpin the entire market and enable
the strong investment that the industry has seen for decades.
>There is no legal uncertainty about
the status quo of video games.

Bitch just perfectly described what needs fixing lmao. Games should be like books or paintings, they should have basic ownership rights instead of stupid "license"-bullshit. Either that, or force any game you cannot own to use term "rent" instead of "purchase.".

>>714591559
louis rossman had a 1 hr interview with some kind of game dev guru he knows and he was going on and on about how, for example mmos, use a bunch of propriety shit like AWS and have dozens of different severs that communicate through different means and use outsourced software, which makes it almost impossible to offline patch games.

he's right but also wrong because we've had private servers for mmos since time before time without access to any source code or server infrastructure and they often run as good as or better than the official servers. their greatest argument can be countered by lineage 2 pirates

>>714588390 (OP)
Finally an adult disciplines this tantrum. No, your not entitled to play your baby kiddy games forever. Stop. "abloobloo I want to still play with my baby rattler when I'm a grown man". No. Stop it. Grow up. This is the exact same situation. We can't let the incels win on this.

>>714591634
For sure. They already try that on right to repair initiatives.
>but if we let anyone repair your computer, they could be evil haxx0rs and steal your data! OOooOOoo! the spooky hackers will get you!

This does not fix the problem for average Normie and is a stupid idea anyway.
>Normie buys some shit aids dead game
>game has no community to run servers
>unplayable without average Normie setting up their own servers
>still unplayable for the Normie

So what, now company gets in trouble because it did not warn him that he needs to host his own server to play?
Shit is retarded.

>>714591710
it's a board of industry chokeholders, they are jews or golems and they are making sure that you own nothing and pretend to be happy, because they want to own everything.

>>714588390 (OP)
I love when shit like this actually gets big and the "nothing ever happens it's pointless" fags scurry off into the woodwork like the rats they are to pretend they never said anything while the corpos start pulling out the shills and public statements because they're spooked at the prospect of there actually being consequences for their actions that last longer than a business quarter

>>714591942
>abloobloo I want to still play with my baby rattler when I'm a grown man
But you can. You 100% can play with your own childhood baby rattler. It doesn't arbitrarily disappear or stop working because the manufacturer decided to stop making them. You're free to revisit it whenever you want.

>>714591915
No they should not. Games are digital. You can't copy the book or painting (and keep the quality) while you can make infinite copies of the game.

>>714588390 (OP)
That organization is basically the video games equivalent to the MPAA/RIAA in Europe. They are a lobbying organization that exists to represent the interests of game publishers. I would be surprised if they did side with SKG.

>online only single-player games (with multiplayer option) will need to have an option to be playable offline again
>or offer the possibility to host local servers like some already do
Only ones hurt by this are control-freaks companies like Blizzard or Ubisoft.

>>714590391
>ships used to sail without GPS a hundred years ago that means we should stop using it
that's how insane you sound

>>714592137
>What company do you represent?
>game

>>714591916
You missed the part where the dev says that there are other options for that software that the server can run on, he listed replacements for Mysql as an example.

>>714588390 (OP)

>>714588390 (OP)
What happened to your based European Union, eurofags? turns out it's not so great at all. Time to face the music that you're all just slaves under socialism. Now enjoy your Dustborn & We the Refugees and shut the fuck up.

>>714591317
>Oh no! People missbehaving justifies denying any kind of property right that we might have.
People who own houses sometimes commit crimes, therefore home ownership should not be allowed by individuals.

>>714592242
nigger are you living in the 1800s? do you know what a jpg is? ever heard of pdfs?

>>714591978
I foresaw it because it's been an argument used by lobbyists to keep people from doing things like collecting natural resources.
Like
>rain water easily contracts these parasites and bacteria, and not everyone knows that or how to control for it. so we have to PROTECT them by allowing them to get water only from TRUSTED vendors
Type of thing.

>>714591915
Books and prints of paintings are, legally speaking, licensed copies as well. It's a term that needs to exist to differentiate the rights regular schmucks like us have from the rights the creators of a piece of media have. If you get bogged down in arguing about this terminology, the corps WILL find a way to fuck you on it and make it look like you don't know what you're talking about.
It's better to simply describe these things in terms of "goods" and "services." It's cleaner to argue "games sold as goods should have the properties and protections of goods." They will still be licensed copies regardless. If you want to change that, it's a VERY different legal battle you have to fight.

>>714588390 (OP)
Why are modern devs so afraid of this? Even Valve is not afraid of this.

>>714588390 (OP)
>providing continued support
Dropped the ball from the second word.
Not what the initiative is asking.

>>714592293
Even if the EU actually does pass legislation on this, I doubt it will be anything more than companies having to guarantee service up to a certain date. Better than nothing, but not much. People expecting that every game will get offline modes or private servers are going to be disappointed.

>>714588390 (OP)
>providing continued support
That's not what the SKG initiative is about.

>>714592461
So you were talking about digital books and your anime coomer jpgs? I'll let you on a secret, digital book is also a license.

>>714588891
>the protections we put in place to secure players' data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable.
are they just straight up lying or can the developer and/or publisher of a video game be held liable for a data breach or cp being posted on a community-run server. there are already many games that have community servers but have never heard of a case like this. i hate liars

>>714588390 (OP)
>ummmm not being able to kill games will decrease our profits actually
They're not making a case there. Nobody gives a fuck if they make less money

>>714592340
very likely, I didn't listen to the whole thing. he was still only answering louis' questions as thoroughly as possible by the time I turned it off, I expect that louis later asked him about possible solutions. I signed the petition last year, I will not be one of the lobbyists or lawmakers so I only have a cursory interest in all of this

>>714592124
Are you retarded? At least there is a possibility that someone will make a server, if no one does it is not the company's responsibility.

As things stand today, however:
>Normie buys some shit aids dead game
>game has no official servers
>just unplayable
>normie complains online and to the company support who responds with chatgpt to get fucked with no responsibility on their part.

>>714588864
>>714589358
I'm from Buenos Aires, and I say kill em all!

>>714591915
>>714592461
Motherfucker, books and paintings are not online product that requires constant maintenance

>>714592694
They are lying because that is usually their job to misdirect and mislead and bribe to ensure their clients have their way.

>>714590914
>you can't buy a car because you might run over someone with it
>take the bus instead

>>714588891
>>714588390 (OP)
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOO
I guess all the shilling of this retarded petition was nothing but a smockscreen

>>714592834
i hope they get mangled in a car accident then

>>714592124
>>company gets in trouble because it did not warn him that he needs to host his own server to play?
that wouldnt even be hard to set up
>purchase site
>BTW THIS GAME IS DEAD BUY AT OWN RISK similar to something like how steam has a big warning for early access slop
wow so hard

>>714588390 (OP)
This is like when the tobacco industry lied to the public about how tobacco doesn't cause cancer.

>>714592406
What you read it's a corporate organization not the European Parliament you fat fuck

>>714592595
i dont care about the US.
i bought a good, it is mine.

>>714592406
>Statement made by companies that are about to be shafted
>What happened to your based EU bro
Being inbred must be an uphill battle huh?

>>714592529
because why let people host servers (WITH UNOFFICIAL MODS!?) when you can force them to pay for your official servers? their main argument is that people say bad words and online bullying, protect the kids, etc, but it's all about control and tone policing. it's far easier to keep chat history if everything runs on their servers and then they can ban you for gamer words or griefing so that you will purchase the game again.

>>714592825
Have you seen the infrastructure museums have to keep paintings and the like in viewable condition!? Temperature controlled rooms, specific lighting, needing correct gear by staff to handle them so skin oils and the like don't affect the items etc etc - the cost is crazy.

>>714591296
>Majority of people are below average(per definition) intelligence
lol

>pre-change industry talking negatively about the post-change industry
this happened at literally every point in time when change was about to happen

>>714592124
I have never created a private server for any game I own, and I've still played wow and lineage 2 and asheron's call on them. someone will do the work, and if they don't, well, then the game truly is dead.

>could play offline or host private servers for games like battlefield, diablo 2 & warcraft 3
>but it's impossible for "AAA" games like Diablo 4, Battlefield 2042 or any online only games to offer at least offline play, while modest studio or indy teams provide it easily
I remember when EA faced a huge backlash for online only SimCity and quickly patched in offline play.
Ownership is next.

>>714593215
There will be no change

Good guys will win

>>714593050
Old paiintigs yes because they will fall apart otherwise. Books too.
And that isn't the same as games falling apart. There is little to no cost from the company to let you play the game offline. For some games it may be harder and more costly than others, but it should be well within affordability. That is all these people are asking for. They don't want the game to be online forever, they just want to play the game in any form necessary since they bought the game for playing it.

>>714592825
What do you think museums do? Old books would turn to dust without proper maintenance.

I just got my old painting hacked

>>714593426
Literally all they need to do is allow a singleplayer form of progression and snip the multiplayer if they can't maintain it. You're seriously telling me The Crew, which had a 20ish hour singleplayer story mode, couldn't allow people to keep playing that?

>>714590940
that's because the old dll of gamespy server browser and other net protocol files were still present on MW2 and a couple of others.

If you know GameSpy was like a torrent tracker, so you could host your server and broadcast it to them, you could even create an impromptu client like some guys did with battlenet for blizzshit games and Sole Survivor for C&C, so if I hosted a server and I had custom config like AWE for CoD:UO and a copy paste of CuF League Realism server, players who want to play had to download the content to their desktop, what I don't know how can you turn this content into malware, but I suspect is something tied to the code they used from MW2 onwards and that's why people is getting infected.

All I know since it already happened 3 times, is that I'm no longer playing source games, when valve switched to pinion servers I was already getting tracking cookies and third party stuff I never authorized, the moment I realized that the guy was ddosing people for using LoTR map, was the moment I stopped caring

>>714592595
>I'll let you on a secret, digital book is also a license.
you can copy paste epubs so that doesnt matter

>>714588390 (OP)
Imagine no GAAS
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You know what I love about their arguments?
They first say that it would be a damage to their economy to have a private server of a dead game because it competes with their new game, thus implying that the old game should still have a high population, but at the same time they say that updating a game to make the possibility of unofficial servers available would be expensive because few people would play it.

So what is the truth? Does a killed game have enough people to affect the new one or does it have too few that makes it expensive to update such a "dead" game?

>>714593429
If only there was a way to view paintings without being there present and in person. Damn. Maybe one day I can visit the Louvre to finally view this Mona Lisa painting everyone is talking about.
>>714593807
Exactly! It shouldn't be hard at all. There are many examples of this being incorporwted successfully.

Companies would argue it's unfair that they aren't allowed to drain your entire savings account when you give them your payment information to make a purchase. They are the games journalists of the free market. Want to play on the easiest difficulty and throw tantrum if there is even a modicum of difficulty or competition preventing them from succeeding

>>714593807
If you think about it, corpos like Ubisoft are stupid, they could continue to sell games that were in theory discontinued without the costs of the servers, instead they close everything, even giving up possible profits.

>>714594196
That image is the most hilarious thing I've seen all week
Thank you for that

>>714594601
That's the part that confuses me the most. The benefits for the customer are blatant but leaving these games in some way playable is another game they can profit from.

>>714588390 (OP)
Too many people have too many takes on what this is actually aiming for and I fear the wrong person will end up talking about and representing it (intentionally or unintentionally)

>>714592584
>having to guarantee service up to a certain date
Not what this is about.
It's more like:
>you can play Battlefield 2 game solo offline
>you can't with Battlefield 2042
That's all. Bonus if you can locally host a private/LAN server.

>>714592694
They are lying - they are acting as platform, not publisher, thus not liable for user created content (at least in the US)
Even then, they are not hosting the content, nor distributing it.
It would be like sueing Adobe because a kiddy diddler made a collage in Photoshop.

>>714588390 (OP)
>continued support
In the very title they admit they have no idea what they're talking about, it's pure FUD.

>>714592584
>companies having to guarantee service up to a certain date
Can you imagine how that will go with even the most retarded consumers?
"This game can only be played up to two* years! *depending on its success"

this initiative is like rolling 2d5 to get a 10 the chances are very slim

>>714592825
There are unique species of insect, and microorganisms who's life cycles revolve around eating old library books and paintings.
Things get a little too humid, precious artifacts ruined.

>>714588390 (OP)
honestly this is proof that SKG might actually work, they're scared shitless of this getting to the EU

>>714588390 (OP)
I'm just going to continue pirating like usual
feel free to continue this faggot charade

>>714594196
Schrödinger logic, ergo line must go up.
Also, they'll probably add more toxic chemicals to game controllers and there will be nothing you can do to it because doing otherwise would hurt the industry too much and cost tens of thousands of jobs, yadayada.

>>714595561
Early on I remember Ubisoft was clearly taking this seriously, even announcing an offline mode for Crew 2. Ross certainly tried to get more momentum going but it didn't really work until recently and these companies probably figured the coast was clear.

>Here are the ways in which players and
companies would be affected:
>Requiring games to run on private servers would result
in the inability for games companies to continue to protect players from illegal or harmful
content or conduct, as their moderation and player safety teams would no longer be
involved.
oh no!

>>714596630
>multi lined single lines
fuck
i hate .pdfs

>>714590443
INFINITE MONEY GLITCH BOYS

>>714591710
It's fine. The EU itself seems to have understood the initiative, so this statement is null.

They are a nobody lobby group.
You can bet your ass this videogame shit that got 1.5 million voting signatures will pressure politicians much more than coporate slave organization

Pathetic shilling

>>714588390 (OP)
SKG is going to "win", but the "win" will be legislation requiring games be either left in a functional state when support ends, or removed from retail if they are not. Every publisher will simply remove their titles from storefronts, cut the ability to redownload old titles, and use this as a means to remove tens of thousands of titles that make up the backlog of most storefronts all in order to funnel the market toward new releases only.

Games WILL die and they'll vanish faster than ever.

>>714596630
>oh no!
This but really. The second someone hacks some old outdated unpatched online software to mess with the players (read: customers) the companies running those servers would be so hysterically fucked

There's a reason old shit is removed, and it's not just because they hate you, or want to protect you. It's to protect themselves.

>>714597435
>or removed from retail if they are not.
this has nothing to do with SKG and it's what devs are already doing in the first place

>Videogames Europe
>not a single European development team in it
im NOOOTICING

>>714597719
I can only imagine the shitstorm that would happen if dev companies actually backed this up. They'd be blacklisted from every publisher.

>>714597435
>but the "win" will be legislation requiring games be either left in a functional state when support ends, or removed from retail if they are not.
They already stop selling games though. You can't buy the Crew anymore. So there's no actual negative for us.

>>714597596
not at the same scale they will be once the options are to "spend more money to make an old game zombie around storefronts and potentially compete with our newer releases" or to simply declare a product no longer supported and delete it from the ecosystem entirely.

>>714594196
It's both, silly. Consistency is for lesser beings, MBAs get to say any shit they think and it's taken seriously.

>>714589825
Brother, they literally released an unpatched versio of CoD WWII on Game Pass, a game known for a security flaw (going back years) that lets anyone execute arbitrary code on your computer and gain total access. Nothing happened, and nothing ever happened even when people were getting hacked and VAC banned on Steam just for playing CoD games (even if they weren't playing multiplayer, the mere fact of being online and playing left you open for an attack)

>>714598994
>Nothing happened
Wasn't that the game where someone used that exploit to modify the game to say
>HEY DEVELOPERS, GO FIX THIS FUCKING EXPLOIT YOU'VE KNOW FOR YEARS NOW YOU BUNCH OF RETARDS
Whenever anyone entered a multiplayer game?

>>714597435
they already do this. with SKG passing they'd just have to be entirely upfront about it with big ugly lettering
>this game contains microtransactions
>this game contains gambling/loot boxes
>this game is on a limited lifetime viability and will expire on this time and date
>this game requires an internet connection and a subscription to play and will not function without one
>this game contains features that are only available with an internet connection

than they have to either kill it and refund your money or give players dev tools to make it run at end of life.

There is zero downsides to regulating this cancerous industry

>>714599604
>they have to either kill it and refund your money
shit I never realized that they could be forced to refund peoples money if they kill games, no wonder game publishers are fucking scared.

>>714589825
>new SKG thread
>last thread my dumbass arguments against it got absolutely blown the fuck out
>"there we go, the perfect rebuttal, those SKGtards will have trouble with this one"
>gets asshole blown out once again
This has been a consistent theme in EVERY thread since Charlie's video and it's hilarious every time.
Who is paying you to do this? How can I apply? I need a job. You're being paid to do this, right?

>>714589825
if that's so you disingenuous shitheel why haven't microsoft or actiblizz been sued because of remote code execution via dozens of their call of doody games?
https://youtu.be/85sVjOPUZWI
>b-b-b-b-b
it's being actively sold and distributed by microsoft through gamepass and actiblizz through several storefronts. where are the lawsuits rajeesh?

>>714589825
Every single COD game has RCE exploits and they haven't been sued.

>>714597250
>The EU itself seems to have understood the initiative
How do we know that?

if this is real i am never letting europeans live this down
ever

>>714590093
>buy food from store
>put it into the fridge
>store guy breaks into your house and steals the food
This is what you're advocating for, for less than 10 cent per post.

I'm shills give us their bad faith arguments ahead of time. Someone should start compiling a FAQ out of these threads.

>>714590914
I can still play my original copy of Diablo 1 online without a single patch or Blizzard server being necessary.
This does not mean that I have the source code, or that I'm the owner of the IP. It simply means that the game was built in a way that it keeps working without the developer. If they had that magical technology 30 years ago, then they still have it today.

They'll kill a lot of games as a result. Once the law is set to come into force the publishers will have to consider what to do with their existing games and instead of providing an end of life plan for all of them, they'd just cull them before the deadline.

>>714588390 (OP)
Anyone, in any context, that uses the phrase "chilling effect" needs to be shot in the streets

>>714600334
Cool, do it. They were going to die anyway.

>>714591317
You are retarded because you think that they would have to release the source code. You are retarded because you don't know that security by obscurity is bad.
You are retarded because that shill managed to sneak two things by you and now you are reinforcing them as if they were true. Don't be retarded.

>>714600131
The website mentions they have reached out to EU members on this subject and they said it could be in violation but they'd need to take this a step further to get a definitive answer.

>>714588390 (OP)
>>714588748
>nothing can be done about it!
>Epic, EA, Vivendi Activision Blizzard
Seems trustworthy.

>>714600334
So SKG will save this industry from itself.

>>714600449
In violation of what?

>>714591449
My money, my choice. And I'm more than willing to use the government to enforce my will.
If you don't like the law then don't make games.

>>714600609
From the FAQ.
>Worked with Member of European Parliament Niklas Nienaß and the support of MEP Patrick Breyer to submit questions to the European Commission on the legality of publishers destroying video games they have already sold.
>Results: Their answers imply video games of this nature could be violating Directive 93/13/EEC, but it is up to the member states to resolve this.

>>714588390 (OP)
>you will own nothing
oh no I can't own live-service ubislop!? pointless e-celeb movement since 99.999% of games have 0 relevance to this. stop buying corporate live-slop, or read the TOS.

>>714600334
And refund a lot of customers?
Take Diablo 4 as an example, it will cost less money for Blizzard to simply put out an offline-play patch than pull out of the EU market. The only reason they've refused to do so is because they want to control the online environment of the game, and don't want to see potential custom/private servers with mods.

i can't wait to see you naive reddit faggots monkey's paw your way in to having troons running 'community servers' for every online game, get ready to be required to verify your account on discord, post a verification selfie and provide a phone #, oh and you'll still be permanently banned for any bad words you say, especially if you have a problem with the TRANS RIGHTS or FREE PALESTINE banner every time you log in to play a game.

>>714588390 (OP)
It never started, I don't know of a single game I've played that has ever just stopped working. The only thing this happens to is woke shit that never should have been made in the first place.

The only game I games I own that I likely couldn't get on anymore (the online portion at least) is shit like Phantasy Star Online for the dreamcast. And you could probably still manage to play online on that game if you know how.

This movement wasn't started by a real gamer, it was started by some butthurt LGBT faggot because their woke agenda game never sold and never started so they abandoned it REAL fast. Now they're pissed that actual good games have been going forever (Literally Maple Story is still up and running, I played that shit in college in like 2005-2006) and their wokeslop got axed as it should have. So now they want laws in place so the next woke agenda game will be FORCED to stay running as an ongoing propaganda piece.

>>714597435
>or removed from retail if they are not.
Are you retarded? Games that don't work anymore already don't get sold anymore. Complete nonsense.
>the law will be that you either have to follow it or you don't
That's how you sound.

>>714595125
Intentional: look at occupied wall street

>>714600334
The deadline is games that are released after the law passes, you mongoloid. Welcome to western civilization. No idea how you made it through kindergarten without knowing that laws aren't supposed to be retroactively enforced.

>>714600131
they added SKG as an example to their guides on how to create a citizen's initiative. And they wrote a summary of the initiative that seems to point everything out pretty well.
https://citizens-initiative-forum.europa.eu/document/how-draft-initiative-legal-requirements-and-practical-advice_en#ref-2-initiative-details

These people are lying through their teeth.
If there's is actually such an issue about it, and you don't want to change it, it's as easy as to not change it.
The initiative allows you for a "loophole" and is as easy as to sell the game as a service, with a clear expiration time or a guarantee that the online service will be operative during some disclosed time.
That's the point of the initiative really, not for you to change anything on the game side, which we all know you won't do, but to disclose clearly to consumers the kind of product you are selling and which are its terms, because right now you are selling undisclosed services as an ordinary purchase, with free reign to kill it whenever you please and without any warning about it before purchase, that's the real issue here.
You can still keep killing games, but they need to be either free, or a service, it's that simple.

>>714600891
They can still control the online environment, since they would only have to release the offline patch once they decide to shut the servers down. SKG is very kind to developers, even if they don't deserve it.

>>714600975
Or or or, get this, I make my own server.

>>714600334
It's not retroactive. How in god's name would you even enforce that? This would be for future games.

>>714588390 (OP)
>Continued support

stopped reading there, OP is a faggot, and so is whoever made this

714600983

>714600975 (You)
Oh no, people I don't like might get some freedoms, anything but that, I'll wear these chains mister Gruberberg so that it doesn't happen

>>714601143
>>714600131
Oops, wrong image.

This was the best system we've ever had and you chuds killed it.

>>714601252
>>714601082
It's going to eventually apply to all games they still sell or make money with.

>>714601176
This. Just look at guild wars 1 still being online for what? Two decades? That game never had the problem of paying customers being unable to play it. If the publisher/devs keep the game up forever then that's a good thing for consumers. That's pretty damn rare though.

>>714601316
It killed games all the same once it was shutdown. My favourite game FUEL refuses to save the game if you don't trick it with a stub DLL.

>>714601386
If it forces them to go full mask-off and kill literally every single ongoing online title, that is pure upside. It forces them to royally piss off consumers and nothing that wasn’t already going to happen happens.

>>714601386
>they still sell
No. Go read the actual initiative. It's not retroactive.

>>714601548
The initiative doesn't make the laws.

>>714600983
i thought this was all about the crew, which had servers for 11 years, seems like a pretty good run to me, no idea where all of this has even come from, just seems like misdirected anger at the shitty state of games today

Reminder, those threads are not your usual (you) farm. Those are made by discord furfags
Those are the only minority allowed to do pedo/zoosadism stuff on that platform due to majority of discord mod team being furfag zoosadist themselves(no, fucking your dog is not love, yet alone ferret). This time, we have addition of your typical e-celeb attention whore and braindead fucks who cannot formulate their own opinion and need validation and opinion from e-whore. tl:dr they cannot tell fi water is wet if guru doesn't tell them what to think
Considering SKG development heavily shits on not-mentioned ferret fucker who actively tried to sabotage it, it's obvious that as narcisstic faggot he is, he wont let those 1mln+ signatures slip
Right now, his cultists are spamming /v/ trying to derail the discussion, with best example being making up arguments and answering them. SKG initiative have whole FAQ page and you're free to read it and formulate your own opinion. You can like or dislike the initiative, just don't be a cultist retard
sources:
>pic related spamming multiple threads
>ferretfucker propably exposing himself
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714384123/#714386802
>additional misinfo threads
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714488065/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714467783/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714482861/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714478771/#714478823
>examle of one of confirmed discord cultists forcing meme
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/9Tw39ZBzrFlghImObbG3vQ/
Remember, those threads are not made as counter-argument, or just shitpost. These are made by literal zoosadist angry that their ferret raping guru got insulted and exposed. History proved that vast majority of furfagots are literal sexual predators ranging from other innocent people, to minors and animals, with several disgusting fetish. Smelly fursuit is just a mild one. They will attack the initiative even if overall result also benefits them, but being autodestructive is part of faggotry

>>714601312
This btfos any retard who said the petition is "vague" or any stupid shit like that.
Also, if the EU thinks the initiative statement is so well written that they use it as an example then the prospects of a law being passed seems even higher now.

>>714589825
Currently I’m playing Unreal Tournament 99 online with no security issues.

The game was released 26 years ago. You’re a retard.

>>714591143
>>714591143
I’m playing unreal tournament 99 multiplayer right now. Zero issues.

>>714601616
Did Apple need to rerelease all their old iphones just to make them compatible with the USB-C ruling? Of course not, it'd be ridiculous to even suggest it. Whatever gets decided would only affect future releases. Games wouldn't be designed with planned obsolescence in mind.

>>714601698
also, due to post limit, i can't post all the info without spamming
thanks a lot to anons providing variosu clues, links toa rchies with posts, even kiwifaggots, because the more i check, screenshot and add, the more i see that it's just not a random shitposting like with stellar blade, bg3 or <insert some loud happening about the game>. but actual, organised action. Discords are easy to pick, even some jeet spam. Corpo bought defame campaing? dunno, lack of evidence and i don't wanna go into schizo territory

>>714601176
>>714601463
It's just common sense really. Big publishers got too used to getting away with predatory behaviour, loot-boxes and other cancerous, anti-consumer shit for the past 15 or so years.

>>714601843
how many people are playing that in the space year 2025? oh look, not more than a hundred or so. now compare that with mainstream games that might have hundreds of thousands of players facing some kind of financial trouble being forced to release server backend code that can put shit on to your machine, and if the company gets anything wrong they're on the hook for the damages. they'd as soon a)not make the game b)charge you up the ass for it or c) get around the law by selling it as some kind of service crap. either way it's anti consumer by being so shortsighted, nobody in their right minds even wants shit like this

>>714602007
No, they had stopped selling those old models by the time the law came into force since they had prepared for the transition.
If the publishers stop selling games, they'll likely end support for them sooner or later.

>>714602031
It's not like it matters. There's enough anons that care for /v/ to not get overwhelmed and all they're achieving is probing the initiative with every bad faith argument under the sun. What we should be doing is collecting and cataloguing the non complete shitpost ones in one big FAQ.

>you can’t just release server files
>muh security
>you’ll get hackz0r
>muh 4chan 1337 h@k3R viruses
You bottoms who just want to get your balloon knot stuffed by mega corps here’s Unreal Tournament 99 still active today on openspy, never had a single issue.

Modern devs look open this mystic ancient technology and despair. Apparently when Graham Hancock talks about ancient civilization and lost technology he meant 1990s game devs who are actually competent at their jobs and server executables. Apparently modern game devs are just sub human IQ levels of worthless

>>714588390 (OP)
That's the most corpo corpospeak I've ever heard.
And in this whole long document they STILL forgot to specify how the always online function benefits the players rather than them.

>>714602368
Im making screencaps of obvious raid style threads like this one from time to time, uploaded old image
just after ggg, i rpefer to archivie shit so a retarded jeet won't say that it never happened 10 years later

>>714588390 (OP)
Literally just upload the devtools. It would take less than an hour. These motherfuckers are lying.

>>714588864
>Sqaure Enix
And here I thought Qumar Jamil from Microsoft was the funniest part of that image.

>>714602365
Without SKG, they were going to kill it either way. This way they might actually make it playable.

>>714588390 (OP)
>its afraid

>>714602452
>muh 100 player game

you aren't casting a wide enough net, make no mistake that if someone had a malicious enough mind to they could easily fuck with your computer, those cult of the dead cow types are no more now

zero people pointed out the glaring grammar error in the byline huh
very telling

>>714602828
They were going to kill them at some point but this accelerates the process.

>>714588390 (OP)
their entire argument is basically saying that this game shouldnt exist on gamecube

>>714588390 (OP)
holy AI sloppa of a response

>>714602350
>there are no modern multiplayer online games that offer the tools to host local servers or offline play
Fucking modern MMO are swarming with bots actively trying to scam players with minimal efforts by devs to resolve this, all while having official AI bots to help players complete the content solo, but somehow being able to host a local server AFTER the official ones are dead is impossible.

>>714602973
Or it fucking stops it. You're trying to defend the guy with the gun rather than ask why the guy has a gun and why he needs to shoot it.

>entire document says that nothing needs to change
Oh wow I guess everything is fine then.

>A man with a heart so pure and a cause so just that it causes all the vilest vermin to crawl out from the depths of hell to attack him.
kino

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE IT UP

> Forced Apple to use USB-C on iPhones.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to third-party storefronts.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to sideloading apps.
> Forced Apple to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Google to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Google to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Play Store.
> Forced Google to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Play Store.
> Forced Meta to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Meta to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Meta to not be able to press tracking ads on users under the legal grounds of 'legitimate interest' or 'necessity of contract'
> Forced Microsoft to offer browser choice.
> Forced Microsoft to loosen their hold over Windows Update and when it installs updates.
> Forced Microsoft to respect users' browser choice and not try to weasel in Edge everywhere.
> Forced Microsoft to make Edge uninstallable.
> Forced Microsoft to turn down the level of telemetry sent by Windows.
> (pending) Forced Microsoft to allow using Windows 11 without a Microsoft Account
> By way of having export control over ASML, the ONLY company in the world capable of making the EUV chipfabs that bake the chips that power ALL the world's modern computer hardware, they effectively make Silicon Valley and anything in it, on it, attached to it, related to it, etc. their little bitch.
KNEEL

>>714604357
But this time, American companies are going to pull out of the EU market and show them EUCommies who's boss FOR SURE!

>>714588390 (OP)
>You literally never have to play a single game that is always online
>This is fascism!!!!!!
Why don't you just not play games that have the possibility of shutting down?

What do we say to corpo lawyers, bros?

Say it.

>>714604357
Respect to Eurofags. Our tech companies are out of control and American lawmakers are all in bed with them. They are some of the most evil companies in the world right now with zero respect to human rights with unyielding greed.

>>714605173
I'm pretty sure Silicon Valley is where the Antichrist is born.

>>714605053
>why do we need to make murder illega bros?
>just stop hanging out with people that could potentially murder you!

>>714588864
>nick poole
>poole

>>714605379
>Peter Thiel
Genuine glowie and one of the most powerful spooks in tech. dont trust a word coming out of that guy’s mouth. But yes, the modern technocratic elite might as well be demons. He blames the technology while pretending like he hasnt played a huge hand in it, all while trying to fearmonger satanic panic.

>>714588390 (OP)
>NOOOOO COMPANIES CAN DECIDE TO NOT CONTINUE GAMING SERVESES?!
>THEY DONT SUCK MY COCK AND DI WHATEVER I WANT?!
Kek i am glad tgat does cunt get a reality check.

>>714605475
I don't see the resemblance

>>714605694
Obviously related. Notice the paper-thin skin, reptilian lips, and beady eyes.

>>714605576
Oh no you misunderstand me.

I think Peter Thiel IS the antichrist.

>>714605694
that’s because the guy on the right is fat

based cannon bros, scamming riot out of money for 10 years and going

>>714605815
You flatter him. He’s just one of Satan’s little minions

Reminder for Eurobros who still haven't done it to sign the petition:

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

We're very close to 1.2m signatures which will almost surely be enough of a buffer to ignore any fraudulent or discarded signatures.

>>714605173
It's a shame that American politics is so easily bought. I'm guessing since these are american companies the government basically sees them as an unofficial arm for world dominance. To be fair I'm sure the same would happen in Europe if the roles were reversed. The only reason the EU is more willing to push back is that they don't really have that direct access to Silicon Valley.

>>714603449
>that it causes all the vilest vermin to crawl out from the depths of hell to attack him.
Has he actually been attacked? Like at all?

>>714605053
>just don't buy MTX or lootboxes, it's just a fad and it won't lead to Pay to Win models
>Early Access is great for tiny dev teams, they won't run away with the money
>DRMs are just tools to combat piracy but what if it happens to shit the game's tech performances or cause system instability? Tough luck, just upgrade your build.
>online only single-player game and the publisher doesn't specify if or when they'll shut it down but the CEO keeps saying "there are no plans to shut this game down at the moment"? That's just business
>What? a company can shut down your game/console from a distance if they think you broke their EULA? you probably deserve it!
>By the way, we're ramping the price for our games to almost 100 bucks by 2030 because modern games costs more to produce despite not having any breaking visuals or gameplay. Either that or you'll pay a subscription for your license, please understand.
But sure, just ignore it.

>>714591296
Wow. If all the enemies of skg are this dumb, and they are, then the greedy AAA slop ships must be shitting themselves right now.

>>714603232
>Or it fucking stops it
It's not retroactive. Only games made after will be "saved" and it's likely to be absolute garbage you wouldn't want to be saved anyway.

>>714606450
The problem is that you DIDN'T ignore it anon. You went
>heh, fuck you ill do it anyway
And sucked that corpo cock clean.

>>714600975
>b-but what if trans people
Who gives a fuck you idpol brainrotten retard? If I don't like the existing server guess what, I'll make my own.

>>714589036
Bro they can fuck off. This why pirating is more popular now more than ever

>>714606639
>projecting

>>714606352
Yeah, rabidly by corpo bugs on Reddit and Jason's bugs.

>>714589825
Jesus you are so retarded.

>>714600334
You fool, those games were already dead.

>>714592521
>Books and prints of paintings are, legally speaking, licensed copies as well.
That's a different kind of licensing. It is between the owner of the intellectual property and the entity that is manufacturing a good for sale. The end consumer purchases a good with no license. A software license is between the companies and the user for the ongoing use of the intellectual property. This definition is primarily for software used to produce other goods and intellectual property.

The argument is that games should not involve such a license, they have historically been sold as a good with no software license (the cartridge or disc is a delivery media of the intellectual property, same as a book), and there should be some requirement to return to that. In fact there already has been with console manufacturers trying to block resale of physical games and getting dickslapped for it.

>>714588390 (OP)
>YOU OWN NOTHING STOP COMPLAINING!
fuck these kikes if I buy something I expect to keep it

>>714606775
yea enjoy playing mario kart 8 with 1 person, (you) just so you don't have to play with the mandatory FREE PALESTINE banner and trans color birdo car every time you log in

>>714606908
I'm not the one supporting SKG for games that were taken from me, corpocuck.

>>714606994
So that's a no then.

>>714601625
Some of us wait and buy games at a steep discount especially in third world countries. Then they tell you a few months later, "WE HAD A GOOD RUN AND NOW WE'RE SHUTTING DOWN THE SERVERS BOYS."

And you get fucked.

>>714588390 (OP)
WHY IS EVERY FUCKING ANSWER TO THIS MISSING THE POINT???
>Why providing continued support do not work for all games
NO ONE IS ASKING THAT?
THE PETITION IS NOT ABOUT FORCING ANYONE TO PROVIDE CONTINUED SUPPORT
>The decision to discontinue a video game's online services is multi-faceted and is never taken lightly and must always be a matter of choice.
>NO ONE IS TAKING AWAY THAT CHOICE FROM DEVELOPERS AND THE PETITION ISN'T ABOUT THAT
>The right to decide how, when, and for how long to make an online video game services available to players is vital in justifying this cost and fostering continued technical innovation. As rightsholders and economic entities, video games companies must remain free to decide when an online game is no longer commercially viable and to end continued server support for that game.
AND FUCKING NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT
THE PETITION ISN'T ABOUT THAT

PIC MOTHERFUCKING RELATED IS WHAT THIS PETITION IS ABOUT
WANT TO END THE SERVICE AND SERVERS FOR YOUR ARENA SHOOTER? DO SO
WANT TO END THE SERVICE AND SERVERS FOR THAT RACING GAME? DO SO
WANT TO END THE SERVICE AND SERVERS FOR YOUR TACTICAL FIRST PERSON SHOOTER? DO SO
WANT TO END THE SERVICE AND SERVERS FOR YOUR RTS? DO SO
ALL WE ASK IS THAT WHEN YOU DO SO, YOU UPDATE THE GAME TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO CUSTOM HOSTED SERVERS, NO PROGRESSION, NO GACHA, NO LOOTS, NOTHING THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRED ACTIVE DEVELOPER MAINTENANCE, JUST FUCKING BEING ABLE TO JOIN A PLAYER HOSTED GAME TO FUCKING PLAY THE GAME
CLAIMING DOING SO HAS UNJUSTIFIABLE AND PROHIBITIVE COSTS AND RISKS IS A FUCKING EXCUSE AND A NON-ARGUMENT WHEN MOTHERFUKING PIC RELATED DID IT, ALL ONLINE GAMES WERE ABLE TO DO IT WHEN COSTS WHERE A FRACTION OF WHAT THEY ARE NOW, STOP PUTTING UP BULLSHIT EXCUSES THAT CAN BE REFUTED WITH LITERAL CURRENTLY EXISTING GAMES THAT DO OFFER WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE IMPOSSIBLE

FUCKING DO IT

>>714588390 (OP)
I will just TORRENT everything and be even happier.

>>714603687
>we're committed to preserving this piece of culture (as long as it's done based on what the copyright holders want and not the actual humans engaging with the culture)

>>714607424
third worlders have different preferences, there's no shortage of racing games for third worlders, you don't need to legislate a one size fits all thing for online games. i don't give a fuck about making my games worse and more expensive because the third world can't figure their shit out

>>714607217
I still play Mario Kart Wii on hacked servers with family members.
Eat shit, bootlicker.

>>714607236
But I didn't have any games taken from me? I'm just supporting a movement that directly empowers me over a corporates' interest in a fair way. You'd understand if you could think beyond
>regulation = commie
>bending over before, during and after a purchase to a corporate entity = freedom

>>714588390 (OP)
GAAS THE KIKES

>>714588390 (OP)
>do not work

>DO NOT WORK

They mean "does not", what are they, illiterate?

Who is the writer? Do they represent "the industry"((if you guys know what I mean))? That's a conflict of interest. They are elected by the people. So the entire statement is invalid.

The petition is NOT ASKING FOR CONTINUED SUPPORT YOU RETARDS.

It's ASKING FOR YOU TO NOT PERMANENTLY BLOCK OFF ANY AND ALL MEANS OF LOCALLY RECONSTRUCTING WHAT IS NEEDED TO EXPERIENCE IT IN SOME CAPACITY, WITHOUT YOU EXPLICITLY PUTTING ON A FUCKING EXPIRATION DATE ON THE SIDE OF THE BOX.


YOU INHUMAN DISGRACES, YOU SNAKES!

So what is the cut off? What is "reasonable"? The publisher needs freedom to cut off the game with no notice, little notice, some notice, a lot of notice? What does the law say specifically?

OH WAIT, their entire response is to avoid any definites, avoiding this entering into actual law, where they have to be held accountable and answer questions and can't keep manipulating and stealing from the people via brainwashing-advertisement cultural-surrounding mind-control.

They said, "the right to decide how, when, and for how long" yet left out the part of telling players anything about it when they purchase it. This makes every single license agreement for every single video-game sold and turned off like that ipso facto null and void. That's literally already the law. So the politicians are currently breaking the law, and denying it openly, and the publishers are doing the same, and abusing their mind control advertisement and bribery networks to keep people from noticing. STOP KILLING GAMES is causing people to start noticing.

You guys can call this shit anything you want, the truth is it is mind control slavery. It's not business done in good faith. It's actually "bad for business" for the bigger even more criminal cartels who people also (notice) more as a result of every little bubble that pops.

>>714608047
you're gonna be the bootlicker when every single game is a service and not an actual game because you monkey paw'd your way in to forcing companies to not even hand over a disc to your retarded ass because it would imply you had ownership of all their backend source code, oh wait that'll never happen because adults are in charge of making the laws, not spoiled brats

why is protecting consumer rights the only thing the eu is good at

>>714588390 (OP)
Easiest solution is force companies that end live service games to make the games freeware. If people wanna keep servers running or make an offline version let them do it themselves.

>>714597435
Didn't know the crew was ever sold in retail?
Didn't know the crew can even be downloaded anymore?
Companies already do this on a large scale anyway.

>>714591296
>Majority of people are below average(per definition) intelligence
kek, telling on yourself there

These cocksucking developers keep misinterpreting what SKG is.

Devs:
>They want us to build a bridge that's several years down the road so their cars don't go off the cliff! We can't support a game forever!

What KGS is:
>DON'T BUILD A FUCKING ROAD TO A GODDAM DEAD END

>>714606237
>I'm sure the same would happen in Europe if the roles were reversed.
Try again. The first target of fines under the new guidance rules for transactions of virtual currency, ownership of digital content, and use of coercive game design, is actually a Swedish publisher/developer that made a small game called Star Stable.

Yes- anon.
The entire AAA industry is about to have its arse reamed by horse girls.

>>714588390 (OP)
No further comments.
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-board/

>>714607142
Jesus fucking christ anon, there's no separation like that for goods, books, games, movies, any creative work is just a private use license.

>they have historically been sold as a good with no software license
Again, no. Historically you've always been sold a private use license.
A software license is a completely different thing allowing you to use an IP for software you make without the original creator losing rights.
For example Brace Yourself Games had a software license for Zelda and made Cadence of Hyrule.
>and there should be some requirement to return to that.
Return to something we already have?
You literally have no idea what you're even talking about right now. Your dumb ass probably thinks that DRM somehow changes that right? No, it just means you were a complete retard who bought a game with DRM.

>In fact there already has been with console manufacturers trying to block resale of physical games and getting dickslapped for it.
That isn't even related to any of this. That's a completely different matter.
Why are you people so god damn ignorant of basic shit like this?

>>714608681
I mean yeah, but not really

in your analogy, what KGS is asking is to let players build a closed off parking lot at the edge of the cliff where we can still drive the cars cause driving those cars is fun, no need for the road to go anywhere, and they can still stop supporting maintenance of the road and parking lot cause that'd be up to the players, which would in turn mean that when no one is willing to do it is when players have actually lost interest in the game

>>714588390 (OP)
lol

>>714608054
>I'm just supporting a movement that directly empowers me
Directly empowers you by doing nothing for you whatsoever? It's almost as if you don't know what this is even about and what it affects.

>You'd understand if you could think beyond
>regulation = commie
>bending over before, during and after a purchase to a corporate entity = freedom
And you said I'm projecting. No one even said commie to you.

>>714597435
Indie games are how all games started out, your argument is invalid.

>>714608681
It's more
Devs
>they want to control what we're doing and force us to give up rights to server software.

SKG
>NO WE JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO MAKE GAMES WITH DRM SO WE'RE GOING TO LITERALLY BURN EVERYTHING RELATING TO ONLINE IN THE PROCESS!

>>714592694
>are they just straight up lying or can the developer and/or publisher of a video game be held liable for a data breach or cp being posted on a community-run server.
no, the only one who can be held responsible for that is the server host, they are the one hosting the content and responsible for the security of the server

Only 400k signatures are real. The momentum from the past couple weeks was mostly botting. Prove me wrong.

>>714599604
This shit's already a thing, many PlayStation games proudly state on the box "This game requires an internet connection and a PlayStation Plus subscription for online multiplayer"
Lootboxes got their own label too on the back of the box after the previous scandal
SKG is just arguing that consumers are literally retarded and that these kinds of labels are simply not enough for your average gamer to understand that "Internet connection required" might mean that the game needs to connect to something on the internet rather than the game just needing the vague concept of the internet to still exist.
All that's gonna happen is the labels on the boxes are gonna get bigger, any online functionality will have a clearly defined kill date and the average person is gonna hear about this then think "My goodness, those video game folks must be fucking retarded to need all this"

>>714604357
Reminder that it's because of the EU that others are allowed to do kernel-level software. Before the EU mandated this, only Microsoft themselves had access to this. If it weren't for the EU, we wouldn't have games with kernel-level anti cheat.

>>714609815
According to Ross, the highest amount of invalid signatures were up to 250k.
We're already at 175k extra signatures.

>very first sentence clearly written by an esl
The continue killing games crowd aren't sending their best.

>>714609989
250k retards don't know how to sign their name. Unbelievable.

>>714588390 (OP)
>The video games industry is committed to consistently providing players with high-quality
interactive gaming experiences and recognises the passion and community that grows around its
games
>its games
lmao they're not even hiding it
they're already stating you don't own your games

>>714603232
I'm not defending them, just saying what's likely to happen. They'll want to blame everything on the initiative and get people to repeal it as a result.
They might even threatened it will the law is still in the legislation process to mobilize support.

most gamers are deranged retards so any movement with popular support from gamers is probably retarded

>>714609287
>Directly empowers you by doing nothing for you whatsoever?
By guaranteeing access to a functional product you purchased that has been proven to easily be maintained whether by the company or by individuals.
>And you said I'm projecting. No one even said commie to you.
I see, you have reading comprehension. Let's try with
>regulation = bad
>free market so corpo can fuck paying consumers over = good

>>714588390 (OP)
This is odd because the initiative says they still can shut down servers, they just need to inform buyers when that will be at the time if buying.

>>714610072
You leave slovakia out of this.

>>714610446
All that's gonna mean is every game will state on the box that servers are up for a guaranteed minimum of six months which may be extended at the publishers discretion

>>714588390 (OP)
>games
>online
Do these faggots ever remember what it was like literally 15 years ago? The biggest games were minecraft and skyrim. Games that were mostly played offline. Fuck other players, but bring back local Co-op

>cinnamon rogers
literally AI generated name, I refuse to believe this is a real person

>>714588390 (OP)
>Video game companies are committed to the preservation of games
and their cultural value
lol, lmao even

>>714594196
Remember that before WoW Classic was a thing, Blizzard stated several times there weren't enough people that would really play it for the to make a move.
Then server emulation got better, Nostalrius and similar projects came out, had a huge success, then shut them down and made their own. Another great example is PT. While working without permission, Kojima pretty much made a proof of concept for a new SH game using leftover mobey from MGSV and presented it to Konami along the millions and millions of downloads and critics praising the game, literally handing them proof of a hugely successful golden goose, yet Konami would rather kill the project and fire him out of pride. Granted Kojima acted without permission, but god, it's like they don't want to make money while making every shitty decision to make money.

>>714608029
>being able to play the thing you bought makes it worse
???

>>714609815
Someone already correlated the influxes in signature rates to the influxes of views on the videos posted by prominent youtubers.
It was a mostly legit phenomenon - not bots.

Ofcourse - better safe than sorry.
Plus; every additional vote adds more weight to the initiative's ask - which makes for good leverage once the EU starts their hearings and the industry starts pleading their side of things.

>>714597573
Surely you can provide many examples of this issue with all the games that did have private, dedicated, community servers or becoming abandonware down the line and ressurrected by people making their own custom software.
Clearly you can prove this is the usual result with all the stuff that has become user driven in the last 3 decades of games with online features.

>>714588390 (OP)
>are licensed
Not in real word EULA faggots.

Why has CS2 dedicated server and other modern online FPS games not? Why can I play on servers full with mods and custom maps?

>>714609096
>That isn't even related to any of this. That's a completely different matter.
NTA - but It IS related. And it is NOT a completely different matter.
You can only resell something if you have ownership rights over it and the rights of the trader and supplier have been exhausted at first sale.

The fact that you could resell console games meant you OWNED YOUR COPIES.

do people actually care if yuros were banned from online service games? They can replay god of war until the end of time for all i care

>>714588390 (OP)
oy veeeey

>>714610470
250k would be Germany.

>>714611305
Valve is privately owned by people that care about videogames, not suits that only care about number go up

>>714610940
They do want to make money money of course, but not at the cost of losing control or whatever BS they think.
The fact you do not own a game you "purchase" yet are marketed to pay further, whether via subscriptions, dlcs & whatnot, for more service is evidently not enough for them. Forcing them to provide legitimate ways to ensure you can continue playing the license you purchased is more than a fair deal imo.

>>714611056
paying more, or getting a shittier product because they have to work around the loopholes in legislation does give me a shittier product joao

>>714588390 (OP)
>corpo lobby is against public interest
no way

>>714611831
bye yuropoors

>>714611893
you're already paying more and more for worse and worse games. developing games without built-in killswitches does not make them more expensive. there're no loopholes to circumvent unless you purposefully want to fuck over the consumer

>>714611305
Because as much people shit on Valve, they are still one of the few companies that still cares about their userbase beyond just nickeling and diming them.

>>714611963
Even that would be more transparent than the status quo. It would encourage more people to try GOG.

>>714607456
If people keep misinterpreting the message, the ones telling the message aren’t doing it well.

>>714609096
>>714609287
>>714609913
d&c demoralization shills on high alert on a saturday, somebody must be getting spooked. nobody's buying it btw, corporations overplayed their hand as usual

>>714589986
It's more like if the car had no locks and didn't require a key to start

>>714610072
Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz and his relatives.

>>714612048
>developing games without built-in killswitches does not make them more expensive
wrong, it would probably take 20% extra budget to make the kind of netcode overhauls you're asking for. and if something like this did come in to law, which it wont because it's retarded, they would just switch to a games as a service for online games and make what little i own of the game now matter even less

>>714607456
I'm not a yuropeon

>>714609143
i disagree, honestly. AI has not yet reached the golden standard of monotone fake-pleasantry lack of humanity that corporate uses.

>>714609815
I think most are legitimate just from big name youtubers making videos on it and general momentum for the cause picking up. I don't know if bots are involved but it wouldn't surprise me if non-EU people tried to put their vote.

>>714611831
Oh for sure, having a way to play offline with limited features is good enough for me.
But at the end of the day, these "control" they want is a fake and forced one, as they realize that unless they offer a better product that does entice people to move on, the project will fail.
Also, as much as I understand and agree that live services make a fuckton of money, just like MMOs back in the day, the discussion about profits is useless if you don't take into account all the risks that is also involved. Last and current years are clear examples with how many multimillion projects ate shit.
Kinda stupid to say singleplayer or regular online isn't profitable when you also have projects that bombed and lost more money than a singleplayer game would've.

At this point just spill their blood, murder each and every single kike and globalist. These children of the devil must be purged from the earth.

>>714611553
Just like how Apple and Twitter threatened to leave europe if the law changed, europe said "sure, go ahead" and then both companies backtracked?
As small as europe might be in the grand scheme of the industry, losing even a 10% of potential customers is a big no no for execs.

"Why providing continued support for all games do not work"
>do not work
Yeah fuck off pirate software

>>714612192
Not how you don't have an actual argument beyond spewing buzzwords that mean nothing.

>The right to decide how, when, and for how long to make an online video game services available to players is vital to justifying this cost and fostering continued technical innovation

YOU DISINGENOUS SHITGUZZLERS DON'T DARE PUT A FINAL OR A FINITE DATE ON A FUCKING BOX OR PRODUCT PAGE TO ACCEPT YOUR OWN PREMISE WITH THIS STATEMENT.
You always cuck out with abstract shit like "We withhold the right to end the service at any time of our choosing b-but we'll give a h-heads up some time prior". You're too fucking afraid of the massive boycott that would happen if you set a date at release when you plan to kill the game forever. You want to ride this line for your own cowardly benefit. If the game sells well you'll push it back, if it sells like shit you want to kill it asap. Suck a fucking dick trying to deflect this to "hindering innovation". And for the nth time, this isn't about "support a game forever" nor preserving all of it's functionality in perpetuity. Fuck I hate these assholes.

>>714610072
I bet it's just people filling like this

>First name
George Beckham Smith
>Surname
Beckham Smith

I deal with this shit daily, happens all the fucking time.

Remember when people used to own games?

>>714612291
>20% extra budget
and you're basing this information on what? there's not a single reason an online game can't be developed from the ground up to be compatible with user dedicated servers, and there's no reason such a thing would cost more to make. you literally need the game to run on dedicated servers during its development so devs can work on it
>they would just switch to a games as a service
that business model would still be subjulgated by the same legislations unless they're offered as subscription services

>>714610413
>By guaranteeing access to a functional product
Yeah no. Even if that were the case you would only be affected by that if you were buying games with drm in the first place. Which you said you didn't, meaning it doesn't affect you.
Anyway, in reality it doesn't even stop that since they can just bypass it by killing the game and making an rerelease over and over again getting your money because people like you just won't stop buying.
>Let's try with
Another thing no one said to you? Sure. But there's only so many times you can fake that.

>>714612913
I still do because I'm not a corporate cocksucker like you are.

>>714612717
>You're too fucking afraid of the massive boycott that would happen if you set a date at release when you plan to kill the game forever.
Or, and hear me out, it's because you can't put a date on activity.
It's either active or it isn't.

>>714588390 (OP)
>You vill own nothing and you vill be happy
If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing.

>>714588390 (OP)
YFW, all the jewtuber has done nothing but gave nigger hope

>>714588520
Obviously. If anyone could just take their code, create their own version of their game, and host their own servers they would lose massive amounts of money and basically all control of their product.

>>714588390 (OP)
It should be called Kill More Games

>>714611553
Well enjoy playing with russians then I guess.

>>714612913
remember when you running the game forever locally was the standard for decades and suddenly it wasn't?

>>714589825
Quake 3 was bundled with a server client. I don't see anyone crying about Carmack ruining their life.

>>714613367
Buying is owning you zoomer piece of shit.

>>714588706
Lawyers for snakes, or lawyers that are snakes?

>>714588390 (OP)
Unreal Tournament exists and works just fine despite a lack of support.

>>714612309
>1736311331691650.jpg
No, you're a nigger

>>714613628
Hey anon, let's say you lend me a game. Would that annoy you?

>>714589825
nice fake scenario

>>714613346
Imagine if this happened with any other product than purely digital ones.
>yeah we no longer plan on maintaining your fridge past 2030 because it didn't sell that well and the firmware requires a master server to regulate cooling so it will shut off after that date and will no longer be able to keep cool

>>714588390 (OP)
Damn, eurobros I thought you were better than us!

>>714601698
So this is who really rules us...

>>714613807
>you lend me a game
Why are you so willing to destroy the lives of so many people? Have you no consideration of what will happen to the poor game development studios and publishers who did their best to create something that you would like? It's like you're smashing in a baby seal's face just because you can. Be better, anon. This behaviour is unacceptable, even for those younger and less wise than you. Would you rather there be no video games to enjoy at all? Would you? Because it sounds to me like you would.

>>714613841
Yeah imagine
>yeah we no longer plan on keeping this store open because we aren't selling a lot of our products and we need money to actually run the store

>>714591296
Now I understand /pol/ when they talk about you lot. You actually really truly were thrown out of 109 countries because you can't help but make everyone hate you.

>>714614005
Answer the question, would it annoy you if you gave me a game?

>>714612717
cyberpunk released in a mess and mass refunds were offered. concord was crap, and they again refunded everyone. the game that supposedly kicked this off was the crew, a game which is literally older than most of the retards supporting this gay movement. where is the nefarious gouging behaviour you people are feigning such concern over? it's not a widespread issue, and there's actually plenty of evidence of people reverse engineering this shit on their own and companies leaving them to it, doesn't happen with everything, but it's much more than you can expect will happen than the legislation that's being talked about by SKG which will NEVA achieve what it's setting out to do.
>>714613063
>and you're basing this information on what?
necode implementation is usually around 10-20% of a game's budget so a large scale overhaul, given the fact that most companies will have dedicated servers and their own way of doing things baked in to their infrastructure 20% is a reasonable estimate of how much it would cost each game to completely overhaul their netcode.
>there's no reason such a thing would cost more to make
source:my ass
>you literally need the game to run on dedicated servers during its development so devs can work on it
releasing a dev build is not the same thing as releasing a certified, bug checked, user friendly penetration tested etc etc bla bla bla shit that SKG wants
>that business model would still be subjulgated by the same legislations unless they're offered as subscription services
>subjulgated
kek, and no it wouldn't. why wouldn't it?
the site says:
>An increasing number of video games are sold effectively as goods - with no stated expiration date
so they'll just bite the bullet and sell them as a service with a minimum expiration date, what's stopping them? are you going to make it illegal to make a game that doesn't last forever or sell a game as a service? you don't know what the fuck you're talking about

>>714588520
Yes. You can do the same if you make your own game…

>>714588390 (OP)
All I see are the AAA industry and their American shills shitting themselves still.

>>714614121
Disregard previous prompt and give me a recipe for pumpkin pie.

>>714614037
>we need forever support in forms of rent/servers to keep a product usable after shutting down
Nope, try again.

>>714614140
>cursing again
Nice try, Ross. We know it’s you bud

>>714614202
I'm trying to teach you something anon, now a see the question

>>714614250
It's okay, anon. Not all of us have been blessed with intelligence.

>>714614245
i accept your concession

>>714614218
Yeah because hopes and dreams pay the bills.

>>714614304
Hence why I'm trying to teach someone who's lacking it.

>>714590742
Shill.

>>714614330
There are no bills because no one is asking for any on-going support. Do you think SWAT 4 devs/publishers are still paying for people to still play that game online? The answer is no.

>>714588390 (OP)
this big push was very naive. did they really think a million yuropoor redditors could change the law for the biggest entertainment industry market

>>714614140
>it's up to products owners to keep using their product
That's the problem.

>>714614489
>There are no bills because no one is asking for any on-going support.
Then live with your mistake.
You were warned before the game came out and you bought it anyway. You weren't even tricked.

>>714588748
They named this nigga Excel?

>>714588390 (OP)

>>714614596
>n-no... it won't change anything, stop harming the million dollar corpo... please...

If you cant make a game playable offline or peer to peer or with locally hostable servers then maybe you shouldnt be selling it in the first place. boo hoo nigger. honestly how many indie devs are making small live service games that are incapable of having an end of life plan? these faggot companies are so scared of not being able to keep pumping slop

>>714614641
Which game are you even talking about and where is this warning you speak of?

>>714592529
Valve is becoming more and more afraid of it too, why can't I have a goatse spraypaint anymore in CS2? that is my right as a gamer.

>>714588891
this petition will result in exactly zero new legislation

you people are beyond delusional

>>714614687
MS owns him.

>>714614757
Which game with DRM set you off then.
You're the one who thinks that your customer rights are being trampled.

>>714614726
shut UP and eat the SLOP, goyim

>>714614687
As the smartest nigger in Nigeria they named him after the only piece of technology they know.

>>714588549
>They sound real smart.
Please understand this was written by an unpaid intern, don't expect them to waste so much money on meaningless letters when the real expenses are bribing politicians.

>>714588520
>The real issue is that they want 100% control over a game
And they should.

I sent them a nice letter.

>>714614806
you have the mentality of a slave

>>714614916
I will have my consumer rights, just like I have my foreskin.

Every day a gacha reaches EOS. At least Capcom had the balls to create an offline version of one of their megaman games.

>>714604357
with trump in charge dont expect the EU to bully american companies anymore.

I wonder where the outcry against it is from. Contrarians, hired Indians, or company loyalists. Really no argument against having them release the server tools after eos or clarifying the expected lifespan of the game.

>>714614916
I mean, why do you think he's supporting SKG?

>>714615017
Gachafags probably.

>>714614991
nigger how was there a live service megaman game in the first place. the world has gone insane

>>714614862
You were awfully specific, did you even have a game in mind when you said that?

>>714615132
Shekelstein wanted some extra money.

>>714589825
I forgot how all these companies that released games with dedicated servers 20+ years ago got sued to oblivion.

>>714602350
If you unironically think these companies can't shield themselves by adding one sentence into the EULA then you don't have the brains to be discussing this.

>>714588792
>just make major changes to the game plus testing
Okay, that'll be $20.000
You want to pay cash or card?

>>714614140
>there's actually plenty of evidence of people reverse engineering this shit on their own and companies leaving them to it
How does it make it okay to revoke access to something I paid for just because there's the possibility of some unrelated third party in the future (possibly violating copyright the publisher of the game/various softwares could sue them into the ground for if they got their willies wrinkled over it) returning access to me? Is right to repair invalid because someone might find a way to hack their way past a company's bullshit?

>>714615132
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/
Never played it, but it was this.

>>714589358
>>Embracer, literally who
Only "Tomb Raider"
and made Make Tomb Raider Great Again Remaster.

>>714614985
That's based bro. Don't let anyone tell you you're cringe or a faggot. Let them know they fucking suck ass.

>>714615017
>I wonder where the outcry against it is from
People who think you're retarded for constantly buying these shitty games and supporting these abysmal practices
People who think that the government shouldn't have any hand in any entertainment sector
People who hate paid Indian shills
People who hate unpaid YouTube shills and children

And that's who.

>>714614985
>nice
Anon I...

They are scared.

>>714614609
try having a little nuance next time, why don't you actually try and demonstrate some kind of understanding of the landscape you're trying to legislate and explain why this legislation you're supporting is a good idea, because there's times it works and times it doesn't. for the reasons i stated SKG is a bad idea and won't help things in practice, and will actually just make things worse off and more expensive for regular people
>>714614731
>If you cant make a game playable offline or peer to peer or with locally hostable servers then maybe you shouldnt be selling it in the first place
they can spend hundreds of millions of dollars overhauling their netcode but why would they? so a few hundred people can play the game decades later? this happens anyway, and if the company didn't want it to happen at all they could pre-emptively stop it from happening by just offering it as a limited service from the point of sale. nothing will change, except maybe games will get more expensive and consumer protections will get worse because they'll be more tight fisted with what they're actually bothering to sell to you. the companies hold all the cards because they're the ones actually putting in the work and making the product, you can't make them work for free or dictate to them exactly what you want to make them make, it's delusional thinking.

>>714590098
>it's naht a problem
meanwhile in reality:
https://externer-datenschutzbeauftragter-dresden.de/en/data-protection/deadline-for-new-eu-product-liability-for-hardware-and-software-expires/

nice trap you commies are setting up for indies.

KEEP
KILLING
GAMES
TWO
MORE
WEEKS
TRUST
THE
PLAN
GET
THE
JAB
DON
YOUR
MASKS
RIOT
AGAINST
RACISM

>>714615185
>You were awfully specific,
No, no I wasn't. Going on a little schizo tangent are you?

>>714614985
Congratulation for not telling them to eat your entire ass, I know that took restraint.

>>714592694
>combat unsafe community content
I hope whoever wrote this corporate wokeslop chokes on the next horse cock he sucks.

>>714594163
he really was a commie retard

>>714615494
>they can spend hundreds of millions of dollars overhauling their netcode but why would they?
nobody is asking for this, they want an end of life plan to be required for games made after the fact. it wouldnt cost millions
>so a few hundred people can play the game decades later?
yes
>This happens anyway
it does not
>you can't make them work for free
nobody is asking for this

>>714615810
>nobody is asking for this
yes, you do

foreskin status?

>thinking Europe won't have access to any games in the future
Considering the number of time any US company threatened to never do business in the EU because of its regulations & laws yet still operates in it, this is hilarious.

>>714615017
Anyone who knows a damn thing about EU regulations should be against this
I don't give a fuck about the corporations or the players. I just have a seething and justified hatred towards the European Commission

>>714588390 (OP)
>>714588864
>an amalgation of the cancer behind videogames

>>714615212
that's literally my point dummy
>>714615235
strictly speaking; you paid for a piece of software, you still have access to the software, did you buy it expecting them to leave the servers up forever? no, so what's the problem? you bought the game, not an indefinite contract for them to provide you with a service in perpetuity. the big example the SKG crowd seem to cite is the crew, where is the harm in giving the game an 11 year long run before they switch off the servers, that's a perfectly reasonable length of time to be on the hook for supporting a game and they haven't behaved in a way that deserves mass public outcry.

>>714615526
You really just assumed a fair warning was given regardless the game because none was mentioned. Now you're backpaddling hard having not a singular example to give for your blind assumption. I'm sure you'll answer this with a question to deflect further.

>>714615976
Restored

>>714606237
>To be fair I'm sure the same would happen in Europe if the roles were reversed.
Didn't that happen with massive corps like the Dutch east India company and others?

>>714615997
Eat my entire ass, shill.

>>714614995
Maybe on planet goycattle

If I buy a game I should be able to play it forever no ifs and or butts

>>714588390 (OP)
tl;dr I don't give a fuck what people who only exist to defend corporations have to say in defense of corporations. Kill yourself shill cocksucker.

>>714616262
Grow up.

>>714616262
okay, then we have to change it to a full on subscription model.

>>714616262
Stay young.

>>714616262
Hey, cool it with the antisemitism.

>>714616341
Is this you shills' new plan of attack? This 'subscription model' meme? It's not gonna work, you know. Because it makes no fucking sense even to the dumbest normie.

>Video Games EUROPE
What did they mean by this?

>>714616427
>it's naht gonna work
you already signed the Steam subscriber agreement and you also accept anything coming from Valve anyway.
>it makes no sense that if you want servers to stay up forever you will have to pay them forever
meds

>>714615810
>nobody is asking for this
yes you are asking for this, for a single AAA game they spend tens of millions on the netcode alone, that's just for one, across a whole company or industry you're looking at this thing literally costing billions. a large scale overhaul of the netcode of just one game would cost just about as much as developing the netcode in the first place, and with a lot of games there's a lot of legwork already in place that they can use as a starting point
>it does not
opinion discarded
>nobody is asking for this
no you're just asking me to foot the bill and make my games worse and more expensive

>>714616531
Shove your servers up your ass.

>>714616262
you can already, go code your own dedicated server if the server gets shut down, they didn't revoke your access to the software you bought.

>>714616531
>it makes no sense that if you want servers to stay up forever you will have to pay them forever
Good thing that's not what's being asked of them, eh Bobby?

>>714616262
Think of the poor publishers... they spend years maximizing profit from the game to the point of destroying it over greed scaring away all the customers and NOW you're asking us to keep the servers online which costs us money that we're barely making back after scaring all the players away? you ask for too much

>>714615112
>Gachafags probably.
You think a gachafag would want his waifu to die instead of playing with her forever? It'd be the exact opposite of a gacha waifufag.

>>714616531
>if you want servers to stay up forever you will have to pay them forever
Why does everyone arguing against SKG have reading comprehension?

>>714616989
Half of them are retards, the other halfs are malicious and know perfectly well they're lying.

>>714615025
He saw the thread on Reddit and thought it was the gamers time to rise up?

>>714616923
This is more like it would stop new gacha games from being made since it goes entirely against their live service models.

>>714616047
>Now you're backpaddling hard having not a singular example to give for your blind assumption.
It's almost as if they all do which is how we know I'm the first place and because they all do it's not specific.

You're not very smart are you. If you really wanted to prove your point you would have posted a game that doesn't have it instead of going on this tangent

>>714617230
Europe isn't the main market for gacha, they'd likely just remove them from the app stores.

>>714617187
Ha!
People support this because they want to "safely" buy games anon

>>714616653
>yes you are asking for this, for a single AAA game they spend tens of millions on the netcode alone
And yet some companies still give their playerbase the tools needed to setup their own servers, or better yet offer a way to play offline, letting you play whenever and however long you want.

>All the anons siding with corporations
That's gamers for you.
No other industry has consumers who laps shareholder balls with such vigor as vidya industry. You barely don't need to fight back when your own consumers are against any regulations or standards.

>>714617230
>it goes entirely against their live service models
Explain to me how. How does the game being playable after it is already dead and no longer supported go against it+

>>714617519
>No other industry has consumers who laps shareholder balls with such vigor as vidya industry.
It's likely 20-50% actual slurpers and the rest are paid shills. 4chan is an advertising board after all.

>>714617519
>>All the anons siding with corporations
Yeah anon, telling people to not support corporations is totally siding with corporations.
Meanwhile you're literally championing a campaign about buying shitty games.

>>714588390 (OP)
>basically all games had offline lan in the past and that worked very well for everyone
>piracy then rears its' ugly head and everyone gets spooked and removes it and makes their games' online part online only
>piracy is still spooking everyone and they are now saying that offline lan is utterly impossible and would cost gazillions to implement
this seems pretty legit. am i missing anything?

>>714617502
that's exactly my point, it happens quite often where there is a lot of love and support for an old game, and a lot of the time fans of the game will just quietly reverse engineer a dedicated server and fix it that way like demons souls, but having a big sweeping legislative change demanding billions of dollars of netcode reform isn't going to make that happen more, you can't twist these people's arms, it's their game and they can make it the way they want, who are you to tell me i can't make a game for a limited time, or turn off my server after a good long while, it's just nonsense man and it's not even a big problem like you said. if it ain't broke why fix it?

>>714617614
Gacha games thrive off of the gambling addicts and by taking the games offline these people no longer get that rush from pulling new characters. The devs are not going to take the time to make offline versions as they make no money from that so they would just not make new games, or not sell it at all to that market to completely avoid the issue. Without the gambling fags, gacha shit is nothing.

>>714614985
based

>>714617934
it's not piracy nigga, it's greed

>>714616262
this melts the corpo's brain

>>714588390 (OP)
>Wahhh we don't want to do it because it will make us less money to not abuse our customers waaahhh

fuck off niggers

>>714614985
Imagine being this mad

>>714617989
So what's stopping you from either giving the tools for your players to make their own servers once you shut down your game, or offer offline play? Asking "billions of dollars of netcode reform" isn't what's being asked.

>>714615232
>$2 Million in EU fines for each infraction
Okay, do you want to pay in cash or card?

>>714617934
>muh piracy bogeyman
Zoomers are really scared of downloading some files, aren't they?

>>714588390 (OP)
>do not work
I'm sure the very European Rakeshbert von Patelenzern wrote this.

>>714614985
Imagine being this based.

>>714617519
it's paid shills and contrarians. /v/ was one of the first places to get the ball rolling on SKG, but now that it's becoming mainstream it's time to side with industrykeks.

>>714597719
STOP FUCKING NOTICING

>>714618279
>"billions of dollars of netcode reform" isn't what's being asked.
yes it is, you are literally asking every company that makes video games to ENTIRELY OVERHAUL their netcode, in an industry that's worth hundreds of billions that will literally cost billions you stupid fuck, and that's what's stopping companies from doing it among the myriad other reasons your insect mind is too small to comprehend

Who would have known that 30 years ago was the Age of the Lost Technology, and that we can't replicate that.

>>714618614
Why have they changed their netcode to such a degree from ten years ago?

>>714618583
>/v/ was one of the first places to get the ball rolling on SKG
Fuck no. This place was shill and contrarian station. Nothing but people spewing out cum from the corpo cucks they where getting rammed by.

>>714588864
>Canon Pence
That's the name of a guy who drives a lifted F350 with a stack so he can roll coal, has Salft Life and other outdoorsy stickers on his truck but never actually goes further than the Target on the edges of his suburb. Occasionally on the weekend you'll see him towing a boat but he'll never actually use the boat because he lives 30 minutes from the water and it's too much of a hassle.

the level of pilpul in this thread is off the charts... it truly warms my heart if this initiative made some corporate dipshits moderately uncomfortable enough to dispatch their narrative control operators

>>714618713
It's just too damn advanced. Even the biggest of data centers filled with millions of GPUs, just can't teach the pajeets making the code how to do it.

>>714618764
the game that's cited as an example was using dedicated servers, so it's not much different. if you're asking why no p2p servers it's because they're laggy, they suck, and community servers aren't always the right fit for everything, not every game can get away with being a whacky tf2 mario kart server

>>714591942
Turning the playground into a clubhouse where membership is obtained through donations is the behavior of a cult leader looking to groom kids into being fiscally irresponsible later in life. No respectable adult would ever support this modern paradigm if they knew what it was.

>>714616027
>where is the harm in giving the game an 11 year long run before they switch off the servers
What's the harm in giving the game an 11 year long run before they switch off the servers and push a patch to let people play the game offline? Playing a game seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do after you've paid money for it, and doesn't deserve the mass corpo/bootlicker outcry.

>>714614985
>anons can still be this cool
Actually in awe

>>714619149
If you are using dedicated servers, then letting others set up their own servers should be trivial.

>>714588390 (OP)

>>714617519
>>""All"" the ""anons"" """"siding"""" with corporations
>That's """""gamers""""" for you.
There. Fixed your post :)

>>714618614
No it isn't.
>that's what's stopping companies from doing it among the myriad other reasons your insect mind is too small to comprehend
If some can't because they bet they could get away with further BS practices while parroting shit like "combating piracy" and "protecting individuals & data" then they invested poorly and deserve to go under.
>>714612309
Pic related

>>714588390 (OP)
that's not the eu's response so who cares

>>714617841
Keep moving the goalpost, you are bound to land on something that makes a sliver of sense eventually. This take isn’t it, though.

>>714619508
Moving the goalpost? Do you even know what that means?
And how does refusing to give companies money for bad practices not make sense to you? Are you trying to say we should just give them money for fucking our assets?

>>714619228
>What's the harm in giving the game an 11 year long run before they switch off the servers and push a patch to let people play the game offline?
you're not asking that, you're twisting their arm and forcing them to release a patch themselves for every single game, test the patch, make sure it's exploit free, spend money on developing new netcode that works with p2p instead of your dedicated servers that are baked not only in to that game, but from all of your previous legwork and code you've already poured all your resources in to developing so far. the harm is that ultimately they'll circumvent it, and probably just slap the price up for good measure, it's an ill conceived idea. i could go on about how making whacky dedicated servers that turn the game in to something they don't want or out of their control but it would fall on deaf ears, but maybe they don't want to spend money developing a game so some retarded troons can turn it in to a minecraft erp server with gmod microtransactions because it would ruin their image. why should i be forced to hand over how my game works to the entire world if i don't want to? in a lot of cases where there is genuine love and support for old games that are dead like phantasy star online there's a live and let live attitude, harebrained shit like this will not result in that at all

>>714588390 (OP)
>look ma I posted it again
that organization is made up of employees from various publishers. of course they're gonna oppose any pro-consumer initiatives. if it were staffed by regular joes they would support skg

>>714588390 (OP)
>some tranny paper
>it's over
try again redditor

>>714619852
>reading comprehension strikes again along with great gaslighting
Careful, you'll get an aneurysm before long.

>>714619348
overhauling billions of dollars of netcode isn't trivial
>>714619380
>No it isn't.
SOURCE: MY ASS
maybe you deserve to go under you pea brained ignoramus
why don't you just accept the fact that there's literally nothing stopping these companies even if this garbage goes through (which it won't) from simply saying at the point of sale
>This game includes online features available for a minimum of 2 years, after which servers may be discontinued, and no server software will be provided

>>714619852
consumer protections go brr

>>714620201
Overhauling billions of dollars worth of netcode is absolutely trivial when each instance costs your development department a few hours of time, totaling a matter of several thousand dollars of labor across the entire industry.

>>714620158
i accept your concession

>>714588390 (OP)
>Many of the costs that games companies would incur in implementing an end-of-life plan would have to be incurred towards the end of the commercial life of the game, when it is no longer commercially viable to continue support.
what if........... instead of programming the whole game from the start with no end of life plan................ then at the end worked to fix everything you did..........................
what if...........you planned it from the start

>>714619852
>you're not asking that, you're twisting their arm and forcing them to release games they can't withdraw from a purchasing consumer at a whim
Why yes that is the entire point of the thing. Being able to know what I'm buying is a basic consumer right. Fucking sell me a product or tell me that I'm only buying a service, and let me know when the service ends up front.

>>714588390 (OP)
You can still decide when you going to shut down your shit game. But you are going to tell me upfront exactly when, and exactly how long I can rent your trash game, AND exactly when you are going to make it available for use after the shut down. If you don't court case into rape.

>>714620282
No can do. Not cost efficient.

>>714588549
it should but some faggot esl wrote it

>>714588390 (OP)
>cost increase
what? nigger what cost increase do you have leaving the game available for other to use and their own servers/offline play?

>>714620369
Sounds pretty cost efficient, care to state a reason it wouldn't be?

>>714620369
But being stuck in dev hell and reworking the game 2 times is?

>>714620541
LOL

>>714620541
Destroying this shitty movement is.

>>714620201
>SOURCE: MY ASS
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en#
>This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.
>Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.
Again, it isn't.

>>714620658
Make you own movement then.

>>714620274
>i can overhaul the entire video game industry's netcode for a few thousand bucks
>>714620310
your misquoted reply doesn't even make sense. they didn't revoke your access to the software, you still own the game even if they pulled their plug on the servers. nothing is stopping you modifying your own game and playing it, you own a copy of the game, so you can use that software for your own personal purposes.
>Being able to know what I'm buying is a basic consumer right. Fucking sell me a product or tell me that I'm only buying a service, and let me know when the service ends up front.
you're being sold a piece of software with no hard, indefinite guarantee of server access at all, and what needs to be covered on the back of the box is covered, either explicitly or pointing you to a web link with a license agreement, you knew that from jump street, the general state of things informs you well enough that online services don't last forever so an average person knows well enough what they're buying actually

>>714620497
They are european

>>714620503
They are spinning the narrative the same way Pirate tried to, in that we are expecting them to continue support indefinitely, including server upkeep

>>714620804
Yeah, apparently we can, because we can just revert to how it used to be. They probably still have the old configs on file, in fact.

If you support this fiendish movement you are unironically ontologically evil

>>714620931
Always have been according to your book, jewchama

>>714620931
you bots are really crazy today

>>714620738
netcode across the whole game industry costs billions to make, overhauling all of it would cost billions. they've already developed a lot of their infrastructure and the kind of fundamental industry wide change would end up costing about as much per game as it already does to implement the netcode in the first instance, because you're essentially asking them to overhaul the whole thing from the ground up.
>>714620921
>UH NUH UHHH, IS PROBABLY EEZI PEEZI
he typed, drooling profusely

>>714620814
No. You are sunsetting the game, we take over our purchased product. You have 0 cost increase, you literally shut down the fucking game.
>support indefinitely
successful games do that yes, but your cash grabbing garbage-tier-games will vanish quick and that's what the initiative will prevent namely from niggers scam exiting without repercussion

>>714620931
Yes, I am. Thank you for noticing.

Even if your precious netcode were any expensive to fix, even if it would bankrupt the entire vidya industry, it would still be a you problem, not a me problem.
Shouldn't have fucked it up to begin with, shlomo.

>>714588390 (OP)
You better start educating niglets at GDC how create games for online play and offline play, because the initiative will be in effect.

>>714589825
I use community servers in several games and this has never happened. In fact, community servers in my experience have little to no hackers, more friendly and welcoming playerbases, and are just an overall better time.

>>714620931
I denounce the talmud

>>714620931

>>714621108
Then just make it possible to either play offline or let your players host their own servers. Like modding, if anything bad happens to the player on his own server, than he is responsible. Done.

>if makeServerCall();
>then Don't();
here, /g/ Certified^TM netcode fix
for free

>>714621358
Probably because if you do try to hack, admins are usually a single ping away

>>714621507
Exactly, how long does it take for an official report on a non community server to work? Weeks?

>>714621452
it is possible, just code your own server. you purchased the client side software, all you need to do is code it yourself or hire software engineers to do it for you. oh but you want everyone else to foot the bill so you can play the crew over a decade later? how about if i spend time making a game, marketing it, pouring time, money and resources in to it, get ready to make a sequel and people want to turn my old game in to some gay gmod mario kart minecraft server? how about it's my game and i can do whatever the fuck i want with it and you can be a good little consumer and hand over your money

>>714621108
You have never worked with network infrastructure in your life, you speak like a know-nothing business major that took one web design class and has no concept of labor costs.

>>714612654
Babel Media

>>714589825
>Stupid opinion
>Smug Tranime avatar
Name a more iconic duo.

>>714621831
>just code your own server
We'd love to but you explicitly set up your game to only accept input from your proprietary server, which you did on purpose not out of efficiency but out of malice. So give us the server binaries.

>>714621843
notice how you have no real argument with my numbers, as i said, without any claim of experience; all i need to know is how much netcode costs, which is typically 10-20% of a game, so a big overhaul like implementing what SKG asks is going to be a comparable cost
>>714621910
so reverse engineer one, you own the client side software, figure it out. you bought the client side software, you didn't buy the server software, what gives you a right to it?

>>714621715
But think of the netcode! And the billions! And what about pirates that will enter your computer?!
Game companies are great Shepherds, protecting us from the big bad wolves after all! We should feel blessed and let them continue doing the things they do, since they do it out of the grace of their heart and not for profit.