Thread 714610990

"It has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales

>>714610990 (OP)
So is epic game store but no one cares

Reminder he called Jason Schreier a "press sneak fuck" and rather than apologise for it he got it printed on a shirt and wore it on stage at e3.

>be a lead of a small game studio
>papa Microsoft says, "I like your games, kid. Here's a briefcase of money to let us put them on Gamepass."
>being the colossally retarded businessman you are, you take the money
>later, once your bribe money is all used up, you start to cry about the lack of royalties through sales because everyone who was interested in your game already played it "for free" through the subscription service
>go onto X (formerly Twitter) and bitch that the thing you were paid to do for short-term gains didn't help your company in the long run
How could this have happened!?!?!

>>714610990 (OP)
he's right, it's essentially a hostile black hole at the center of the industry that devalues games as a product and degrades the very notion that games are a thing people can own

>>714610990 (OP)
Gamepass will only work if Microsoft abandons hardware.

>>714611383
lol no one at pc bothers to sub to gamepass, it's all console users. If they think it's unsustainable now, just wait till the xbox officially dies

>>714610990 (OP)
>all of the top comments across every social media that this is posted on parrot the same poorfag mentality
>"I really like gamepass because it's cheap and lets me play lots of games"
actual, GENUINE room temp IQs are the problem, not the monetization of anything. companies sole purpose is simply to make money, and it's retards like these who enable systems like these to thrive in the first place. people with standards are in a prisoner's dilemma with braindead consoomers, THAT is the problem. Would you rather have a few games that cost more money but were made with passion or a lot of cheap games that were made to be JUST good enough to distract you for JUST long enough to trigger the gamepass monetization metrics? most idiots will take the latter, that's the problem.

Infinite investment money is the default for nearly everything nowadays why is gamepass is different than Uber, Netflix, Youtube and every other service that can't survive without a company or investors constantly injecting money into it

>>714611234
Keyed

>>714610990 (OP)
>Unsustainable model
This is from a studio that puts wokeness first.

>>714612060
He founded Arkane, was director of every single one of their games except Dishonored 2, and left the company like 8 years ago

The truth is most gamepass stuff is already dead, and Microsoft is just subsidizing its continued existence. One day the rug will be pulled and these devs will blame Microsoft, but the alternative was just being out of a job a decade sooner.

>>714611278
you don't "own" any of the games you paid full price for, not even the DRM free ones

It's true. The idea that you reduce sales of every title to support a separate pool of money (the GP sub pool) that cannot possibly equal the money you would've gotten if you just sold each game is going to be a problem. It's good for the player due to the sheer amount of games you can play for less than the price of one game. But to me it was always supposed to be a temporary strategy to get more xbox consoles sold. Only problem is no one is buying xbox consoles in any significant way and their next attempt is to hop late into the handheld console market.

At some point I expect GP to continuously increase in price until it costs nearly as much as a single game. And even then if you play more than one new game a month its worth it.

>>714610990 (OP)
I want the "industry" and everyone in the "Industry" to die so that it is no longer an "industry" but a simple, affordable hobby where games are only created by small independent studios made up of a few straight white men that love video games.

>>714610990 (OP)
>I need the corporations to make as much money as possible
I don't care

>>714612505
I do though, I can play the physical copies at any time.

>>714611083
EGS isn't trying to force a completely different mode of acquiring and playing games. It's just another storefront trying to grab market share from Steam. But yes, it's also being subsidized by Epic's enormous Fortnite profits. It wouldn't be profitable on its own as is.

>>714611830
I hate takes like yours because they're bootlicking and even more retarded than the retards who fall for corporate schemes. Both are at fault, but the companies more so because the source of the evil is not the stupidity of the masses, but that things exist that take advantage of the stupidity of the masses. One cannot be helped, the other can. And yet, you excuse corporations and only focus on the retarded general public.

>>714610990 (OP)
Almost a decade too late to notice that.

>>714613606
It was until they realized it not only didn't work but also caused gamers to completely abandon those games.
Renting games is not something new either nor is subscription based services, they exist for decades, game pass is just mainstream and offers more than just 1 game.
Gamepass is fine and should be allowed to exist as well as literally any funding from outside developed games.
I don't think it hurts gaming any more than what we already have and if it's really unsustainable Microsoft will kill it eventually as they did with tons of other things either by raising the gamepass price or by just shitting it down.

>>714611234
wtf i love arcane now

Water is wet

>>714610990 (OP)
It definitely does affect sales but these guys have only released fucking turds that's why they're not getting bonus checks

I've never used gamepass and never will

>>714611234
Based

Gamepass is direct-to-dvd of video games

>>714610990 (OP)
Everyone knows the AAA model is completely spent and its industry about to crumble, piling on gamepass is just looking for an scapegoat.

>>714611249
>Be one of the best Devs in the industry
>Leave company because ms wanted you to pump out more slop
>Call out bad practice that's obviously hurting the industry
Sounds based to me

gamepass will never win without a killer app and microjeet is not capable of creating any game of value

>>714610990 (OP)
It's funny because gamepass seems like the only viable option to deal with a mature digital environment where everyone is walking around with tremendously oversized backlogs and libraries. I am buying your game for under 5 bucks, indie dev and if you never learn your place it doesn't hurt me much, I got other shit to play.

>>714614978
I think this guy only worked dishonored 1 and prey
He had nothing to do with niggerloop or niggerfall

>>714610990 (OP)
>get instant money from Microsoft so your game is garunteed to make a profit
>get sales to Playstation and people who don't have gamepass on top of that
What's the problem?

>>714611234
>and wore it on stage at e3
Wait. Did I sleep through that? I very well might have with how much of E3 aired at the middle of the night in my time zone.

>>714610990 (OP)
what sucessful games did Arkane release recently?

>>714618673
He hasn't worked at Arkanr for quite a while.

>>714618390
People only do it for bigger games
So you are more insensitivized to make ok product and start working on next one (looking at obsneedian)
Not to mention it devaluing any smaller game that's not on gamepass

>erms but arkane made XYZ
You guys are frowthing at mouth to discredit him because you fags can't help but be contrarians

>>714613984
it can be helped, it's called gatekeeping. The golden age of vidya was BEFORE it became mainstream, when the only games the succeeded were the ones that did something different or something well. And those games cost money to purchase. It's not the corpos fault for taking advantage of those who freely allow themselves to be taken advantage of, it's the weak-minded individual's willingness to be exploited "because it's cheap and has infinite games, hyuck hyuck", nevermind the quality of the games that populate it. because the quality of the game doesn't matter to these people, to them games are simply a toy, a distraction, and if they can be entertained by loud noises and flashing lights for even 15 minutes, they're happy. They are the problem, not the corpos. If you think corpos are the problem then you think retards are an acceptable and welcome member of society. They aren't and you should be mad at them for flocking to this shit. But no, instead you coddle them.

>>714611249
Or just do what the Atomic Heart people did and use that money to aggressively expand the studio and start publishing shit yourself

>>714618818
You're saying that since they don't have to worry about sales, they don't try as hard to make a good polished game?

>>714610990 (OP)
>step 1: offer netflix-for-video-games for practically nothing
>step 2: bankrupt all the competitors
>step 3: slowly jack up the price
they forgot about step 2 and didn't even bother trying to get a substantial amount of loyal die-hard customers who would accept unlimited price hikes and went straight to step 3.

>>714619110
If you are small dev it's better to make 2 6-7/10 games instead one 8/10 because it won't move the needle all that much
And you'll get paid more for 2 games

>>714610990 (OP)
the ole 'i no longer have a job so time to have an opinion'

>>714619095
I don't have it but ori dev broke it down pretty well why you just can't make another big game if you made one sucessful game.

Atomic heart guys probably got alot of funding from elsewhere for all the expansion it's not just profits from atomic heart

>>714610990 (OP)
Crazy only devs are allowed to complain about the current state of vidya even though they sit on their asses releasing nothing or bloated generic story based slop while we are the ones who actually have to pretend to enjoy it as our GPUs use 1000W to calculate shit they didn't feel like baking.

>>714619442
He's literally working on a game
And you are literally definitely micro soft cocks business model that caters to brazilians and shitty devs

>>714618818
>Not to mention it devaluing any smaller game that's not on gamepass
Strange that devs of good smaller games don't seem to have this issue. I don't see factorio devs complaining about it. Or Toby Fox. Or the balatro dev complaining about it prior to getting gamepass money. Or countless others.
Mega games like fortnite, minecraft, cod, ect are a far bigger issue then gamepass, those actually do throttle smaller games- especially MP ones.
The devs who are complaining are ones making games that aren't worth playing. It is as simple as that. They want to make the same formulaic shit they did for a decade and continue paid for it, despite the industry moving on from clone shit.
If they can't compete with the supposedly low quality made-for-gamepass games, then perhaps their game is also low quality?

>>714619470
>All Devs are one person
Cool

>>714619335
more slop more money?

>>714619663
It's upsetting to developers that they can't peddle their slop anymore because gamers can get their slop-fix from subscription services before moving on to worthwhile non-slop games, instead of needing to waste $60+ in order to play the AAA slop devs like the one in OP are peddling.

>>714619465
Retard.

>>714618796
So he's some shitter then.
People are only listening to him cause he's shitting on MS, he's just mad MS hasn't offered him a bag of money for whatever turd he's working on.

>>714610990 (OP)
>microsoft
>damaging the industry for a decade
No way! I can't believe it!

>>714619634
>I wonder why top 1%er don't care
Who could've thought guy who made it big with one song thinks industry is fair and doing well maybe because exceptions don't make the rules

>Smaller Devs don't like gamepass because they can't compete with 600 games for 15 bucks
Yeah obviously
Not mentioned most of them don't hate any marketing budgets to it outthere
Best they can do is shill it some YouTuber and hope their audience busy the game

>>714619663
Unironically yes.
Just look at obsidian and ninja theory
>Just keep pitching and making ok games to fill up the catalog

>>714619335
wrong. quality beats quantity every time. just ask saddam hussein and his shit-ass tanks against the modern abrams. ask the brave masaai warriors against the british. ask soviet russia with their shit toy airplanes against the f16... sure, stalin may have said that quantity has a quality of its' own, but what he also neglected to blabber about, is how it was literally world-fucking-war 2. fucking everyone just ran around with simple rifles, back then.

>>714619907
I am sure faggots on v/ know more about the business than people who worked in it for 15+ years

>>714620183
It's not about giving customers great product it's about filling up the GP catalogue
Microsoft only cares about constant stream of games to keep ms appealing
Their showcase was filled with fuck ton of shit that looked okay

>>714619254
This plan also requires that Xbox still be actually relevant and a remotely serious competitor to Playstation. Not to mention Steam when it comes to PC storefronts.

>>714619846
>gamers can get their slop-fix from subscription services before moving on to worthwhile non-slop games
I'm trying to figure out what the fuck this post is trying to say. You have a need to play bad games on purpose, and gamepass is good because it lets you pay a monthly subscription fee to play hundreds of bad games?

>>714610990 (OP)
well that's true but every game on gamepass has also been shit, which impacts sales even more

>>714611083
Egs isn't good enough for anybody to care about to begin with

>>714620645
You are casting a real broad net
Some games were pretty good

Wasn't game pass literally free exposure and an almost guaranteed sales increase for most games?
I distinctly remember it being the case for pic related.

>>714621804
Early on probably
Now it's filled to the brim you are on ms's mercy

>>714618023
metaphor and E33 omega shilled slop is on gamepass however

>>714613327
>disc version had game breaking big
>need day 1 patch to be able to beat tutorial
>30 years from now company stops serving updates for that generation
Man, unless you are talking pre digital updates your discs are worthless in the grand scheme

>>714621943
>people aren't paying full price for a 70$ game
>when they can play it for free with goypass/xbox live
no shit
>>714621969
>Early on probably
Game pass games aren't there permanently IIRC

>>714621943
That's different? Doom is already known franchise and Eternal put off many people

>>714622079
Ya but it’s all about PERCEPTION.
And perception is reality.

>>714610990 (OP)
Well duh

>>714610990 (OP)
Well yeah.
I don't even know what the thought is behind it. You losslead to force out competition or upsell to a product that actually turns a product and Microsoft isn't doing either, they're just funding this out of pocket for no reason.

>>714611083
EGS' free games approach is also not achieving much of anything and I don't know why they're still doing it.

>>714611234
Simply based I'm afraid.

>>714622458
That was post his departure.

>>714610990 (OP)
Doesn't ganepass rotate the free games on it?
>I'm gonna release an 8h game with 0 replayability on gamepass
>wtf my sales are terrible!

>>714610990 (OP)
This is true for tv as well.
It’s especially brutal because all the big tv companies are also bleeding out money to try and create their Netflix-clones.
However they’re suffering from the WoW-effect in MMOs where people only want to pay for one subscription at a time, so it’s very winner takes all.
It will eventually collapse around one main streaming service and that will be it.
And that’s with TV being infinity easier to host compared to the hundreds of gigabytes vidya takes to download and patch.

Should I replay Dishonoured 2?

>>714611234
That sounds vaguely antisemitic. Based.

>>714620525
If you don't play bad games, what will you have to complain about on /v/?

>>714622864
Anti-journalist, which is even more based

>>714618485
Look up Prey's announcement at the Bethesda E3 2016 conference

>>714620525
Sometimes you want to just sit down and turn your brain off anon. People don't always want to play games that require you to engage with them past a surface level.
Same reason why tv and movies coexist.

>>714622458
i honestly can't believe they effed that game up. l4d2, but with vampires. how could they fuck that up that badly? it should have been a slam dunk!

>>714611383
Hardware is the only thing keeping Game Pass alive, lol.

>>714611249
LEAVE. THE. CORPORATION. ALONE.
YOU GODDAMN COMMUNIST!!!!

>>714622458
Not even him, that was Arkane Austin, blame Harvey Smith.

>>714624942
>generic brown
>generic black
>generic brown *2
>token man of an inoffensive shade of brown
gee I wonder.

>>714611234
Sorry for callinf your show a tranny show in /tv/ back then, i will watch arcane now

>>714610990 (OP)
his occupation does not in any way add to this problem, he could be a woodcutter and his opinion would matter the same
the only opinions that matter are those of the consumers and those of the company that decides to set up a gamepass model
literally nothing else matters in this regard

>>714610990 (OP)
>"I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model"
>Games are now 80 bucks despite going up to 70 only a few years ago, with the media already trying to make the case for gta6 to be $100.

Yep. Just gamepass that has this problem. Everything's fanfuckingtastic if you're a dev who's gone nowhere near xbox.

>>714611234
noice

>>714611249
Sometimes I have to remind myself that there are always contrarian retards like this that’ll do absolutely anything to go to bat for some company that wouldn’t piss on them if they’re on fire, and despite how fucking stupid they are, they’re entitled to their retarded fucking thoughts and opinions.

>>714612505
I own every single game I've paid money for

>>714622079
*installs crack*
shoo along now RMS

>>714610990 (OP)
Just like Netflix.

>>714610990 (OP)
what's unsustainable is not being able to do a good game since 2012

>>714610990 (OP)
They're not wrong. There aren't enough people willing to subscribe to it to cover the cost of a AAA game. It could work for indie titles but microsoft just basically firehose their releases onto it which is retarded.

>>714619465
>I don't have it but ori dev broke it down pretty well why you just can't make another big game if you made one sucessful game.
No, he broke down why your "indie" game with a budget of 20m can barely sustain itself if you only sell a meager amount of copies in deep sales

>>714625620
Got his ass

Microsoft thinks video games are for kids and teenagers. Just look at what they forced the guys from Forza Horizon 5 to do with their game, with that "hello fellow kids!" vibe that the game has when the real audience is 25-35 year olds.
Gamepass only makes sense for kids and teenagers who have nothing else to do in life and can play dozens of games simultaneously.
Any adult who has more to do with their life probably doesn't even have time to play their libraries of games they bought normally, let alone rent hundreds of games at the same time and pay a monthly fee for it.
I, for example, could stop buying games now, and I would still have enough to play for the next 2 years without spending a penny more. I don't need to pay Microsoft 24 monthly fees during that time.

>>714625620
prey was pretty cool, I personally find the dishonored games really boring

Microsoft has never understood video games apart from an extremely brief period when Peter Moore was in charge after SEGA died.
The old Sony heads in charge during the PS1 and PS2 and PS3 era did understand games but the current Sony heads from the PS4 and PS5 era don't.
Nintendo understood games from day 1 until very recently as all the old boomers who have been there since the 80s are retiring and doing less work so now its all younger people born in the 80s in charge who don't get video games as they probably never give a shit about them.

>>714619961
do you even know who raph is lol

>>714622458
holy retard

>>714626584
But Nintendo still makes video games, real video games. Also, Valve still understand video games too, Gaben or not. This just sound like cope because Sony died after the PS3 and Xbox died after the 360.

>>714626727
Nintendo sucks now. They haven't made a good game since the Switch came out 7 years ago.
Valve hasn't even made a game since 2011.

>>714622030
And neither one of those is a killer app, do you even know what that means?

>>714626892
did you see what the shill campaign did to E33? 3 mil sales. That's basically the same as killer app

>>714626727
>Sony died after the PS3 and Xbox died after the 360.
yes and Nintendo died after the Wii.

>>714611234
oh shit i didnt even know that was him, he went on to make my two favourite western AAA games of the past 15 years.

>>714612324
Exactly. And it's the same thing as when a dev sells their game to Epic. Games with real, end-user demand don't need deals like these because people want to buy them.

>>714626221
Prey was ass

>>714611234
Thanks for informing me. I will buy weird west now.

>>714626863
DKB is about to rip you a new one while Steam keeps taking your games, XSnoy bitch.

>>714611383
gamepass already failed, everyone's steam library and backlog is higher quality than their shitty subscription service. Why the fuck would i pay monthly to pay this third rate dogshit when I have games like armored core 6, elden ring, death stranding and dishonored 2 waiting with 50 other games of their quality on my account.

>>714627067
The Wii after Smash Brawl sucked

>>714610990 (OP)
AI will make development costs way more easier

>>714610990 (OP)
what else has damaged the industry and impacts sales? hmmmm

>>714627313
are you one of those fags that got mad because they called it prey or did you actually play it?

>>714611083
Seething steamie

>>714627448
why do tendies think that anyone who doesn't worship nintendo is a sony fanboy?

>>714626623
Some sour grapes dev that wants his game pass moneybag?

>>714611234
Holy based, the jew rat deserves all the hate he gets.

>>714619961
lol, fuck off you stupid weeb.

>>714618818
>bigger games
If Assassin's Creed and Dragon Age aren't "bigger games", then what are?

People are still buying the games that they actually want. Shitty studios who cater to activists and their own egos ahead of customers and their shills who do the same try to hide behind gamepass to explain their repeated failures without putting the blame where it actually lies. That being a deeply hypocritical and unpopular ideology that actively attacks the core demographic of videogames and replaces talented devs with activists + psychotic MBA executives who don't know anything about their customers and 100% take them for granted.

>>714628486
You Xbots and Snoys reveal yourself too easily. When your company of choice is failing because they keep making retarded decisions, you don't defend them.

>>714610990 (OP)
You know the funny thing about Gamepass is that its essentially the kind of communism that most lefty devs want in real life.

>>714630818
Answer my question you autist.

>>714610990 (OP)
Well no shit sherlock block buster went out why would a new rental model do better.

>>714631048
You went after both Nintendo and Valve.

>>714631332
if you're mixing me up with this poster >>714626584 then that just makes you more retarded because he also criticizes sony

>>714610990 (OP)
Obviously, he's right. It shits on games in the short term to try and suck in as many users as possible, only for the end goal to be shitting on those users for as much money as possible once it's taken away all freedom and control and warped the industry in the long term.

>>714610990 (OP)
AI will fix everything.

>>714631470
This >>714626863 is you.

>>714611234
to be fair i don't think there's a single human being on this planet that doesn't think that
except Jason Schreier, of course

>>714612324
I think the assumption on their part was that they could get a cloud gaming service up and running for a massive amount of people. But then AI came into the picture and they'd much rather funnel their money into that. Cloud gaming isn't as good as having infinite reproducible data.

>>714619254
I remember "renting" games from my ISP in 2002 through some games-on-demand type of service, you downloaded parts of the game for 20-30 minutes then you could play while it downloaded the rest in the background and it deleted itself after three days

>>714627449
literally 2 of the highest rated games of the year are on gamepass and another will be in time (split fiction)

>>714625335
Arkane not Arcane, and not related at all.

>>714612312
At the modern Arcane he only directed Prey (2017) and co-directed Dishonored.

>Microsoft's big budget obsidian game forthcoming is fucking Outerworlds 2
>And it's 80 bucks

>>714632234
no it's not

>>714612324
Yup, Microsoft already gave us a preview of what franchises they will focus on going forward at the showcase
>Halo
>Gears
>Forza Horizon
>Fable (if it makes it)
>Elder Scrolls
>Fallout
>Call of Duty
>Minecraft
>Blizzard's IPs
>kings's IPs that make money
Anything else is getting canned especially if it's further out.

>>714627676
Not him but
>got mad because they called it prey
that's me.

I apparently got it for free on epic at some point and should probably actually sit down and try it. You guys have been saying it's good for years after all.

>>714627449
Cdkeys and g2a is also an amazing way to create a huge backlog of games on the cheap that you won't ever have time to play them all.
Gog is also nice for old stuff.

>>714622752
WoW: A distinct product. Playing WoW, Black Desert, and Eve Online are completely different experiences. They have different customer bases, and some people might play one game, get tired of it after a few months, go play one of the others, and then come back to the first a few months later. There was an MMO golden age where there were multiple successful MMOs going at one time. The market can sustain dozens of them at one time without trouble. A lot of these MMOs are still going strong, and new ones are entering the arena and seeing success all the time.
Netflix and other video streaming services: Platforms. The appeal was that you could access any TV show or movie ever for a low price without ads. A straight upgrade from TV. When every video publisher suddenly wanted their own platform, this actively degraded the value proposition to the customer. People didn't want to pay three subscriptions just to watch one show on each platform and not even get that movie that they wanted to see on any of them.
Gamepass: A platform. Suffers from a wary consumer base who's aware of industry efforts to put them in a box where fun is replaced with microtransactions, games that actively covet the heterosexual male demographic are effectively banned, mods are tightly controlled, products can be rendered unplayable on a dime, etc.. It's basically hampered by bad PR for Microsoft and the western AAA industry in general. And the customers are absolutely right to sense danger, BTW.

These three situations aren't remotely comparable just because they're all subscription services.

>>714627449
>everyone
Is it true that autists don't understand that their personal experience can differ from other people's?

>>714618985
>it's called gatekeeping
You are the retard if you think you have any authority or ability to prevent people from playing/making video games.

>>714632684
Cloud is a feature and not a product because they realized it isn't cost effective.

>>714618985
This, it's why I'm happy Nintendo and Valve won.

>>714626863
>Valve hasn't even made a game since 2011.

>>714636232
you really want to start the stupid argument that pc gamers dont have backlogs? or that they dont have libraries full of games they bought but did not play?

or are you an autist who though I literally meant every human on earth had 500 games on steam and that gamepass has an audience of 0? They have capped out on their potential market because it is in conflict with a huge portion of hardcore gamers

>>714632890
>split fiction
pfffff

>>714632365
Not just thinking it but being willint to call it out is a different thing.

>Undead Labs and Compulsion Games just got hit with layoffs
Ah shit! Here we go again.

>>714611234
I already liked Colantonio and that makes me like him even more.

>>714625068
>Harvey Smith
Hate that nigga like you wouldn't believe

>>714611249
They got bought by bethesda who later got bought by microsoft.

>>714613984
>>714613984
if every and cheap out the gamepass and stack 1 dolla months it just kills everything and then games get raised to 80 dolla cause there making no money

>>714614561
>I don't think it hurts gaming any more than what we already have and if it's really unsustainable Microsoft will kill it eventually as they did with tons of other things either by raising the gamepass price or by just shitting it down.
it does xbox games now dont sell

The obvious goal is to have games as a service and only a service, but it's hard to imagine that making money unless they're charging $500 per year.

>>714621943
thats more due to the games getting shitter

>>714610990 (OP)
Makes sense. I think GamePass could only really work with live service games. Once the game is already built you just keep making small changes which don't require major work to add little chunks of content to keep it fresh, as opposed to making a whole new game from scratch again. At the same time the trickle of content in your "service" game keeps the players paying for GamePass.

On the other hand, GamePass sounds extremely bad for SP games. The SP game is likely going to be played once and that's it, it will not keep the players on GamePass and it will of course impact sales. If you already played a game on your subscription, why would you pay again to buy it? The answer for the vast majority of SP games is that you simply wouldn't. It's terrible, pretty much hostile for traditional SP games, only potentially good for "live service" pig feed.

>>714639304
it really should of been maybe 1to4 big games and a bunch of indie shit

>>714627449
>why would I play third rate dogshit when I have armored core
lmao no one tell him

>>714639484
>Once the game is already built you just keep making small changes which don't require major work to add little chunks of content to keep it fresh, as opposed to making a whole new game from scratch again. At the same time the trickle of content in your "service" game keeps the players paying for GamePass.
just fyi. your post is exactly why people loathe subscription services

>>714611234
How are jewrnalists going to recover from this?

>>714618985
dumbest post in an extremely dumb thread

>>714619470
It's deeper than that. The only devs whining about GamesPass are the ones who sat in dev hell for 10 years and got rightfully cancelled

>>714625521
I agree. no one should go to bat defending a studio that sold streaming rights to their game and then got buyers remorse later

>>714639579
yeah, tell him how sick diablo 4 and starfield are.

From the creators of Death Loop, Dishonored 2, Redfall, The Wolfenstein sequals nobody played, and one broken game that was half decent in the 90s.

I mean, Arx Fatalis was ok, but it was so fucked up in so many ways, you can't coast off of that for 30 years acting like you know what you're doing.

>>714635368
GPT ahh post
Also wrong lol.

>>714640696
I know for a fact that he hasn't worked on 4 of those titles. You false accusing retard.

No shit

Gamepass is fine as long as games don't come out Day 1 on it, release them normally and only put them on GP a year or two later.

>>714610990 (OP)
how much revenue does it make relative to its costs so far?

if it's basically a risk transformation vehicle for devs/publishers it might actually be sustainable. publishers are willing to take a haircut on sales for the guaranteed money that microsoft pay them for day 1 access, and microsoft potentially make enough from subscribers to cover the costs of paying off the devs

if they're paying more to devs than they're making in subscriber revenue then sure, not sustainable. it actually does depend on the specifics at the end of the day

>>714624942
Same way they fucked up a literal sequel to one of their own games.

>>714621804
"Paid in exposure" is a meme for a reason

>>714643806
Phil is too retarded for that, anon

>>714610990 (OP)
Dont put your game on gamepass?

>>714611234
wtf I love Colantonio even more now

no one from arkane is worth listening to
but goypass is trash
easy take

>>714646823
>forced to taint your game to tick diversity checkboxes or else you're rayciss
>replaced with diversity hires
>company sold to microshaft
>everyone with skills leaves upon being forced to develop online multiplayer slop
>studio crashes and burns
it's appalling to read

>>714610990 (OP)
Crazy that I keep hearing this since 5 years ago, but gamepass in 2025 getting even more games when compare to 2022-24

Although of course some day one gamepass games succeed and some failed, but I find out it seems gamepass day one game that failed always comes with a developer trying to blame it's because gamepass, funny

>>714647198
Explain why Microsoft is canning most of their studios and only focusing on AAA games that can make money now, shill?

>>714610990 (OP)
obviously it is an unstable model. Microsoft knows that. But they have lost marketshare to steam in their own backyard (windows) for going on 20 years now. They have capital, and can afford to take a loss to try to claw back marketshare and garner some goodwill.

personally I don't want it because i think it is bad to not support good developers.

>>714611234
Absolutely fucking based!

>>714612834
>>714632890
MSFTs next-gen strategy will just be upgrading their Game Pass server blades while they stream their lastest and greatest titles to your 9-year-old XSX and 16-year-old XBONE, isn't it?

>>714611234
Pretty based.

>>714610990 (OP)
>>714611234
reminder that gamergate happened not because of zoe quinn but because anita sarkeesian and her jewish cabal felt threatened by the gigachad that is colantonio

>>714649279
They can't, Microsoft Gaming wants that, Microsoft Corp wants AI. Microsoft's gaming days are coming to an end. Microsoft will force their gaming side to go full third party or they'll shut them down, permanently.

>>714648604
>Microsoft is canning most of their studios
They canned 3 games that doesn't even have released date, the hell are you smoking, trannyera?

>>714651578
They canned far more than that, ones we don't even know about along with games they were publishing. Undead Labs and Compulsion games were also hit, don't be shocked if their games get canned and their studios shut down. This is all happening because Microsoft Corp. considers Game Pass a failure. Be lucky they have ABK, that's currently the only reason Microsoft Gaming still exist but now you need to question for how long with Microsoft Corp wanting AI.

>>714651773
>Undead Labs and Compulsion games
And why should I feel bad for these wokie studios?
The fact that it's good to see MS finally cleaning lazy devs

>>714625720
We were obviously talking about something like atomic heart and ori not about some game you made on your free time

>>714629205
Kys faggot

>>714652120
Microsoft were the ones that forced them to put that woke crap in their games since 2019, knucklebrain.

>>714640696
Why would you lie on the internet

>>714611971
>YouTube
User generates contents for them.
>Netflix
Competing with TVs and Cinemas. Huge advantage.
Arcades are already killed.

>attaching redfall and deathloop to his name

Now much faggots lie when it comes to anything else

>>714652340
Yeah this is why you should just back to trannyera and support your trannydevs
Microsoft only care about money, any woke shit they said are just window dressing
The fact that these gamepass day one game who flopped should learn why others succeed(like E33 in this year)
Hell even some mid game like Atomic Heart succeed(and are you telling me this is woke shit?)

>>714652626
You are the same logic as
>You think they are replacing all male characters with ugly females but space Marines 2 and doom just came out

>>714652626
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/games/articles/2024/03/xbox-releases-gaming-for-everyone-product-inclusion-framework-for-game-developers/
Shut the fuck up, they're the most globohomo woke company in America, since 2019, since 20fucking19, you stupid Indian mother fucker.

>>714610990 (OP)
I like that this dude commented on SSeth's review of Prey lol

>Bbbbub but e33 and some Russian fuckery
Exceptions don't make the rules
Why are you faggots always crying about woke and low quality games when heigh quality non woke games exist

Publishers don't care, they just see Microsoft offered a pile of money to be available on Game Pass for some limited time period and sold out. Publisher thinks thats a better deal than making sales, then okay. Or....did they think people would play on Game Pass like a Demo and then buy a copy on Steam? [Intelligence: 10]Oh, oh no...no no no

>>714653902
Hope a lot of them finally woke the fuck up to Microsoft already.

>>714611234
Haha so funny! I bet you fags are gonna buy his upcoming FLOP

>>714654878
I'm absolutely ready to buy it, Arkane made great video games before their Wolfenstein titles and Redfall.

>>714654878
yeah he worked on some the greatest of all time
v still jacks em off but v is also allergic to giving anyone any credit

>>714620525
>I'm trying to figure out what the fuck this post is trying to say
I got Gamepass for free and I'm playing every map of BO6 zombies
to round 100, while I'm fully aware of how shit this version of zombies is. The thing is, the CoD zombies formula is perfection, and shooting zombies while listening to music is still a great time. I will play E33 and finish Blasphemous after zombies, but sometimes you dont want to use the brain while playing videogames.

>>714611083
What? Never heard of it.

>>714656089
>I got Gamepass for free
You didn't you gave MS money you sick fuck.

>>714614734
he left arkane in 2017 after he finished prey amidst the studio going to shit

Gamepass is good for the consumer and I'm tired of developers pretending they matter more than us.

>>714660458
Quality on of game actually depends more on devs than consumer
Otherwise it'll be just big studios making sports, cod and gatcha shit

>>714621804
>sales increase for most games?
Why would I buy something that was on gamepass I already have it (via gamepass)

>>714610990 (OP)
He's right. But that doesn't mean Arkane hasn't been putting out turd after turd that would have flopped anyway.

I prefer to buy my games on sale but I use linux and don't have any consoles so I don't really have a choice

>>714621943
There are lots of gamepass games that pulled 100k concurrent on steam. Doom DA was just shit.

>>714610990 (OP)
People don't realize microsoft's hoped for end-game here. They'll keep pumping money into it as long as they can.
Microsoft's MO is taking control of standards and gateways. Initially they thought they could take control of vidya with hardware, since they basically already own PC gaming with windows. When they decided that would never be a success, they turned to pushing gamepass.
If they can eventually push steam and the smaller players like epic and gog out of the way(because everyone subs for games instead of buying outright), they control vidya with nintendo being the only exception. And under that kind of pressure, even ninty might eventually bend and put games on gamepass. That's their goal.

It's a massive cope if your game is good it will sell well whether it's on gamepass or not as gamepass is just a glorified demo. Worth owning games still get purchased. I'm glad I've had gamepass so I can try several games that I thought I wanted but didn't actually. The problem is everyone wants GTA Online/Fortnite type money but can't produce anything but tripe

>>714661735
>But that doesn't mean Arkane hasn't been putting out turd after turd
he left arcane after release their last good game

>>714662078
again exceptions don't make the rules
if e33 devs weren't still working with ms they would also tell you GP probably hurt their sales

>>714611083
The tencent chinks definitely care
Every year he has to privately grovel about losing at least a hundred million dollars and they'll fucking shut it down when he dies or gets deposed

>Arkane founder hates game pass
They wanted you to pay $60 for Redfall. Imagine that.
Arkane have literally never made a good game. Niggaloop and Redfall are genuinely “worst games of 2020s” candidates
Wokefaggot

>>714652220
Post hand.

>>714610990 (OP)
Microsoft has straight up said as much. It doesn't make profit and probly never will.

>>714663013
>Arkane have literally never made a good game
why would you lie on the internet
why don't you kill yourself faggot

>>714611249
You're right but at the same time being directly contacted by Microsoft telling you they want to give you a big ass bag of cash (actual money, not royalties, stock, or promises) is mighty tempting for a small dev. But also "nothing is free" is true that NOW devs are realizing that Gamepass was a huge scam and that it really only benefits big studios because they get their game out there, make money on DLC, and at the same time have the userbase that buys copies on other platforms.

>>714611234
A broken clock is right twice a day I guess.

>>714663013
I think he left Arkane by the time those games released, but if you play his indie game, Weird West, you'll realize he is a woke faggot so I'll give you a point for that.

>>714627032
>That's basically the same as killer app
fortnite is a killer app. 3M is nothing

>>714627032
>not enough
and they need more cash cows like cod not one hit games

>>714619095
The key factor being that you need to be able to have faith in your studio to produce 2+ games. Game 1 for gamepass bankroll then 2+ to establish your studio on its own feet. It worked/is working for Lies of P devs and E33. It doesn't work for hack retards like >>714619465 the ori dev who has never made a good game and is incapable of making a good game. Also doesn't work for the hack retard in the OP who has never made a good game. Funny how failures are blaming their failure to produce results on a monetization structure rather than the products they are producing.

>>714666839
>ori dev never game
you might be retarded
>ralph never made a good game
just kill yourself new fag retard who thinks he knows more than any dev

if e33 or lies of p devs said something you didn't like you'll discredit them as well

>>714627676
I finished it twice
It's ass, just like Dishonored
>Awful enemy variety
>Gloo gun barely used
>Recycle to win
>Everyone is a mixed race abomination
>Art design is wannabe Bioshock
>Lesbians forced into the main story
>Pre written MC
>It was all a dream
They forgot aboutbthe immersion part in their game and just wanted to make a shitty Bioahock clone.

>>714667112
I don't give a shit about their political windbagging (pic related), I care about quality of the games themselves. Ori is a shit platformer and it was obvious the devs had/have no talent. There not many people who have played 20+ metroidvanias that would even think to mention Ori in a positive light.

Stealth games are terrible without any engaging gameplay. Enjoy your red light green light "genre".

Prey was the most boring and dull slog of a game and it even spawned the retarded "immersive sim" meme. For all of its shittiness, at least OG bioshock had a vibrant over the top aesthetic. Prey has a boring and lifeless world AND the same shittiness despite releasing much later.

Haste is an amazing game but holy shit can you tell the devs suck ass as people. That doesn't mean they didn't create a great game. They desperately need to remove every single word of text in the entire game though.

>>714667947
>Ori is a shit platformer
you have shit taste

>Stealth games are terrible without any engaging gameplay
again a retarded take

sorry but you have absolutely dogshit taste

>>714611234
oh my hecking nintendo thats so buhbuhbASED!!!
giving him every single funko I own right now!

who cares man, if that slimy kike is still breathing, it means nothing.

>>714629205
lol pretty much

>>714646823
>guy who left in 2017 is responsible for redfall
you aren't worth listening to

>>714611278
I dont want own games if they cost 80$.

I'll just buy gamepass for 10 bucks, finish the game or multiple games and be on my way. Piratefags do have the last laugh though since they are insulated from all this faggotry.

>>714654878
I wish he'd just make another arx fatalis.

>>714625254
The studio lead was deep into blm and social justice before pinching the Redfall turd

>>714654878
>Modern immersive sim from one of the legends of the genre
Probably a day 1 buy for me

>>714662569
Tencent doesn't have a majority stake and won't be allowed to

>>714618818
>insensitivized
"incentivized", as in "incentive", Ranjesh. Give it another shot.

>>714622030
Why did you give E33 a seething nickname but leave Metaphor untouched? Is Metaphor okay because it has an anime artstyle?

So he leaves Arkane after the M$ buyout. Shit talks gamepass. Makes a new game under a different studio. Puts it in gamepass. Then starts talking shit again years later? Does he drink?

>>714610990 (OP)
But there are many games that are in Gamepass and still sell very well. Devs should try to, you know, make good games people will want to buy.

>>714611234
HOLY FUCKING BASED

>>714622458
RETARD

>>714674094
dishonored is a slop too

>>714674380
you are slop
dishonored is goated

>>714611278
And that's a good thing.

>>714674002
Unironically, one of the rare W's in a sea of corporate NPC sludge. The dude walked away from giga-funded mediocrity and is now just dropkicking the industry from the sidelines. Inject that shit directly into my veins.

>>714672582
but don't you think distributing your game for "free" are going to hurt your sales number

>>714636323
we all have that ability and authority, friend. Inclusion and acceptance is synonymous with erosion. It is literally your moral duty to shame people for being stupid sheep.

>>714674908
Really hoping the punk wild west game is making finds success

>>714674958
Third parties get paid to out their game on gamepass.

>>714611739
Me and m8's have had it since day one since it was a smart deal when it was 5 bucks a month to easily get a ton of online 4 player games.

But the past year you could really tell the well is running dry. You get maybe 1 big game every 3 months or so and a bunch of indies that are litteral bundel fodder on sites like Fanatical.
Like the entire Steamdig series was 1 dollar a pop, a month later 3 out of the 5 games on gamepass were Steam dig games. And you rent them for 15 bucks a month

>>714611234
this one's for you champ

>>714675069
What if your sales outperform the flat rate? Then it turns out to have been a terrible idea/deal with devil. GP is only good if your game performs worse than what MS paid for.

not mention the effect of MS basically subsidizing bad studios and mediocre games because they don't have to care as much about the quality of the product

>>714610990 (OP)
Microsoft thought they could bruteforce the industry into making Gamepass the industry standard and then just like everything else begin the enshitification, but they didn't count with Nintendo and Valve being self sustained with the traditional model and everything blew on their faces, now they have to eat crow and get out of the industry because that was their whole strategy.

feels good they got that egg on their faces and apparently everyone and their mothers except them could see it coming from a mile away

>>714675327
it's an interesting game you can get 20-30 hours out of
but you should've read some reviews first because it's not a game for everyone and not as good as his other games

gamepass went with the blitzscaling method where they thought if they grow it they'll figure out how to make money on it later
later is now and they haven't made money

>>714622458
>the worst game in human history
Redfall didin't die in 10 days

You know, most issues with Game Pass could be fixed if they didn’t have the day 1 Game Pass stuff, and it was just a mostly static library (updated once a year) of old games and titles that stopped selling
so their devs could give them to Game Pass in exchange for a fat check
Basically GOG rental
Yeah, but that would've made decent profits and we want infinite growth, so fuck that.

>>714633240
That game is going to flop so hard that Microsoft might actually force Bethesda to release TES6 next year.

>>714675959
>Microsoft might actually force Bethesda to
wrong MS is Todd's pay piggie

>>714613984
No, people weren't always this stupid. The millennials are a generation of uniquely retarded consoomers who have enslaved themselves to their inability to say No. You should be asking yourself "why was the SKG petition required at all instead of people just not buying slop that they spend every day complaining about?" The answer will disappoint you. It's time to start making these issues people's personal problem again. This is a cultural rot at the core of modern pop culture and it only gets fixed by shame.

>>714617820
>MS wants you to pump out more slop
>MS also just shut down a bunch of studios for not releasing a game for 7+ years
Aren't these mutually exclusive?

>>714676389
consumers are retards and corporations will abuse their position to do whatever they can to profit.
you need regulations or you end up with milk spliced with chalk. you need regulations or you end up with kids working 60 hours a week. you need regulations or you end up with cut off limbs because corporation forego any security measures in the sake of profit.

>>714676389
>why was the SKG petition required at all
so jews at big companies don’t make all games always online for no reason and shut them off whenever they feel like it
It’s not an isolated incident
they all want to do that

So there’s nothing wrong with asking for consumer protection and discouraging bad practices

>>714676675
why didn’t they shut any studios down for making bad quality games? They only did it because those studios didn’t have anything in the pipeline.

>>714676683
None of those comparisons hold up to the reality of what's actually happened, which is consumers backsliding on the goods and services offered to them through sheer force of apathy and neglect for 25 years. The trust busters who cracked down on all of those things you mentioned 100 years ago would look in amazement at the "monopolies" of the modern digital age, which are propped up solely by things like consumers refusing to uhhhhhhhhhhhhh use literally any other browser besides Chrome. None of this shit is real. It is, and always has been, a skill issue. Boomers in America can get Budweiser to stop selling gay beer after only a month of boycotting because they literally just don't buy product. (You) Don't have that excuse. Millennials just fucking suck. Issues like SKG are the product of literally a lifetime of failure to be responsible consumers and now everything is ashes.

>>714610990 (OP)
Let's see...
Lameass:
>Microsoft has total control of everything
>They can remove that game for any reason whatsoever and have no obligation to give you an excuse
>You are not able to play a game that is no longer in offer
>Eventually, you will not be able to install mods
>Eventually, you will not be able to access the game's files
>Eventually, everything will turn into streaming (what, exactly, do you think the endgame for NVIDIA's DLSS push, is?)
>If nothing is capable of challenging it, it will become the new normal and once something is the new normal...

Phil Spencer pitched complete and total control of the games industry in twenty years to his higher ups and that pitch alone made him go through a stratospheric rise within the company's ranks. They are that sure it will succeed. Burning hundreds of billions of dollars is nothing when you have monopoly over humanity's entertainment center.

>>714676923
>You have multiple studios eating up millions that have made nothing in over half a decade
>You have multiple studios eating up millions and giving you a shit return on investment, but a better return than literally nothing
Hmm, I fucking wonder. Giving someone something for their millions is better than giving nothing. How surprising.

>>714672117
>tries something
>says it doesn't work
Wow, that's crazy.

>>714610990 (OP)
It's supposed to be unsustainable, they are killing companies so they can buy them up and create a monopoly.

>>714677379
Point being it’s a bad business model that pumps out mediocrity

everyone in this thread wants jungle rules, and i agree with them
If you get rid of GP, devs might actually have to make games that sell well instead of churning out movieslop or South of Midnight, a game made for no one.

>>714675882
Yeah Nintendo does that with Nintendo Classics for the Switch.

>>714672117
>we should improve society somewhat
>you say that, yet you live in society, curious
You're a moron

>>714678212
Devs making slop like South of Midnight isn't related to GP; why do you think Snoy had Concord and has that one DEI halo game coming up?
Slop-making is related to hugeass corpos funding anything and everything thinking it'll churn a profit, and shitass devs that have lost all their talent taking advantage of that.
GP is part of the problem, but getting rid of it won't fix it.

>>714678795
>hugeass corpos funding anything and everything thinking it'll churn a profit, and shitass devs that have lost all their talent taking advantage of that.
we agree
getting rid of GP will at least mitigate it somewhat
and like you said something is much better than nothing

>>714610990 (OP)
>gamers love gamepass
I don't know a single person, be that friends, friends of friends, ecelebs like youtubers, streamers, social media clowns, or even random online acquaintances, who owns a gamepass subscription or an Xbox. I don't know anyone who uses the Microsoft store on PC, either.
The only time I have seen people engage with Microsoft's gaming platforms is when Street Fighter and Dark Souls had GFWL on them.

>>714679382
jeets and Brazilians love it
also it's a good thing if you are a parent id imagine

>>714610990 (OP)
>a decade
bro posting from 2027
>>714679382
i have gamepass but honestly i only use it a few times a year. plus its annoying as fuck that games can come and go from there. fine for singleplayer games you play through once, but bad in today's increasingly live-service world where you might want to constantly dip in and out of the game over a long term. in that case i end up just getting a cheap steam key.
and you don't need to use the ms store app, there is also an "xbox" app which is pretty minimal but better. there's only some weirdness like if you wanna play something right at launch day, they tend to get updated on the MS store quicker and the xbox app it might appear many hours after launch.