Why haven't you tried becoming a streamer yet? The barrier to entry has literally never been lower than it is now. Most people don't know how to stream with a proper setup, lack a consistent schedule, play boring games they aren't even good at and have less than zero charisma. The idea that it takes extreme amounts of time and dedication is a myth. In actuality you just have to put the bare minimum effort in and not give up after a week of no one watching you.

only people that started streaming during the early years of twitch have an audience because they built a community over the years,

or you need to have accomplished something that makes your channel go viral. like that guy that got world first lvl 60 in classic wow

it's extremely difficult to start on twitch, usually you want to start with a youtube channel and then bring your subscribers to twitch

Would rather die than entertain the audience that is twitch watchers.

>>714620912 (OP)
I like to take breaks for up to half an hour sometimes, and I certainly wouldn't enjoy watching someone do that. No reason to do it myself while live.

>>714620912 (OP)
I started when 4chan was kil a few months ago. Ive got a little community and fell in with a good group. I actually finish games now, it's fun sharing niche things with people too

The money streamers get for sitting on their ass is fucking criminal. And many of them still have an attitude about having to "entertain" an audience and taking abuse. I genuinely hope all the bigger ones die in an explosion.

I don't know, why haven't you?

>>714620912 (OP)
>ugly
>no charisma
>bad at games
how about that?

>>714621873
>And many of them still have an attitude about having to "entertain" an audience and taking abuse
most people that have made money with having to interact with people hates people because of having to interact with them to make their money
there are very few exceptions to this

>>714622348
99% of regular jobs have you interacting with people you dislike, except you don't have the luxury of calling them retards and still making 5k a week.

Streamers have absolutely nothing to complain about.

>>714620912 (OP)
I took the Kool aid.
Its been fun.
t. male vtuber

>>714620912 (OP)
There's too many streamers. You can definitely build a small community of people to talk to or hang out/play with but to make a living out of it is impossible nowadays unless you get lucky. You HAVE to play the algorithm game on youtube and tiktok to then try some twitch shit with the viewers you get from that. At some point getting a 9-5 close to where you live is better. Having a normal job while trying to make it as a streamer is also hell, normal jobs drain all motivation to do much. That's why a lot of newer big streamers started out very young when they didn't have responsibilities and they still made it so they didn't have to deal with a job draining their dreams.

>>714620912 (OP)
I'm not wiling to become a tool and turn myself into a circus monkey for money.

>>714620912 (OP)
What >>714622845 said except staying on Youtube I think is a better long term bet. I think there's a growing hunger for more quality long form content and less spontaneous e-clown shit.

no point in streaming if you're not white

I would sooner drink bleach than be a narcissist anti-human whose only goal in life is making money through societal decay.

>>714621239
>or you need to have accomplished something that makes your channel go viral.
Just get caught up in e-drama as an innocent bystander or victim. That's what happened with that one vtumor.

What average viewers does a streamer need to completely support themselves on streaming alone?

it is always interesting to see /v/'s impression of what twitch is like

>>714620912 (OP)
streaming obliterates your attention span and ruins the experience of playing a game for the first time.
not to mention, only normies with milquetoast takes and taste find success.

>>714623105
I know a girl that makes around 1k euro a month with 20 avg viewers, no only fans or "gooner bait" content.

>>714623239
Probably a thousand. Or at least 500 paypigs. Or at least two Arabian oil princes

>>714620912 (OP)
Why? I got nothing interesting to say.

>>714620912 (OP)
when i play a game i like to be immersed in the game, trying to talk and be entertaining while i play most games is too difficult and takes me out of the experience

>>714620912 (OP)
there reason you hover around 2-3 viewers (being your friends or "graphic designer" bots about to try scam you) is because of luck; it has always been about luck, 100%
you hover around 2-3 viewers, probably being your friends from discord or bots about to tell you about graphic design, because you drew the short stick of fate
meanwhile your friend, who has negative charisma from your experience, put in next to no effort and just happens upon interacting with a big streamer and suddenly has a large influx of viewers, and says he is making $1000 a month from that, while you continue to get JohnBot1234 in DMs telling you "hey friend :))) twitch layout designs made cheap"

>stream for 4~5 years to MAYBE get lucky and get a big enough following to support yourself
>leave steaming (succeed or fail) with 0 skills gained for any other type of career
It's a shit thing to get into for any rational adult.

>>714624734
>leave steaming (succeed or fail) with 0 skills gained for any other type of career
Never been a streamer but I do know that they tend to use shit like OBS and actually being able to set that shit up quick and neat is transferrable to game QA work. Or really any proficiency with video capture because a video of a bug that you're reporting goes a long way towards getting it fixed.

Just go to a casino and bet on red 10 times in a row? You have a vastly higher chance of winning this bet than to make it as a streamer.

>>714620912 (OP)
>Most people don't know how to stream with a proper setup, lack a consistent schedule, play boring games they aren't even good at and have less than zero charisma.
What makes you think the people on this site can do any of those things? Especially the charisma part.

why

>>714620912 (OP)
Streaming is oversaturated. If you do it for a hobby, that's fine. If you try to do it as a career, you're absolutely fucked.
You're not just competing against others on Twitch. You're also competing against all those on Youtube, including vtubers, and male vtubers are dead on arrival. May as well just do it as a hobby at best.

>>714620912 (OP)
>The barrier to entry has literally never been lower
And thats why the market is flooded with fucks who stream for 3 people every fucking day

Try again in next life when you were born with tits

>>714625253
>they tend to use shit like OBS and actually being able to set that shit up quick and neat is transferrable to game QA work

>>714620912 (OP)
While I think I could be mildly entertaining, I'm also hideous. People would just make fun of my appearance. My witch's chin, my long nose, my bad skin, and of course my balding.
I'd just be getting shit on.

>>714623239
Tons of vtubers and regular streamers have said you only need about 100 people showing up for every stream at minimum to make a livable wage. Making it into the 1000 viewer threshold is amazing too and can allow someone to buy their own home.

>>714620912 (OP)
Because I hate playing video games.

>>714625547
you need to think outside the box, anon
what do you have? you have an ass
stick nipples on it
what do you have?
you have tits now
god speed

>>714625547
Dada mama

>>714625595
Looking at the average twitch catalogue, youd be unironically in good company

>>714620912 (OP)
I'm a mute autist :/
Nobody watches a mute streamer.

>>714625595
Just become a vtuber.
I'm not being facetious.
People think vtuber models "trick" people by having something attractive but it's literally just forcing a viewer to see a person's personality instead.

I started recording a Let's Play last month but it never made it on youtube. Holy fuck am I an insufferable faggot.
Streaming is probably easier since you can bounce off chat but I'm not gonna try.

>>714625592
I'm just saying. That's how most of the QA vids on our jira were captured.

>>714620912 (OP)
have you taken a look at the statistics of Twitch? It is depressing. You only need 30 viewers to be in the Top 1%. Like 90-95% of streamers stream to literally no one. The entirety of Twitch's viewership is driven by a few dozen streamers out of literal thousands of others streaming to nobody.

>>714625595
Actually, being a punching bag is a good schtick, lots of fat, ugly, bald streamers, they take it in stride and encourage people to make fun of them and it works kek.

>>714620912 (OP)
>Why haven't you tried becoming a streamer yet?
Trying
>The barrier to entry has literally never been lower than it is now.
I suppose
>Most people don't know how to stream with a proper setup
People's audio mixing drives me nuts
>lack a consistent schedule
I tried the schedule thing for streaming. Felt like hell. I do try to stick to uploading a vid every Saturday though. Feels much more manageable, but I wish I could do more.
>play boring games they aren't even good at
The boring games part is subjective. I don't think a streamer has to be good at a game for it to be an entertaining experience.
>have less than zero charisma.
I'll give you that one. It's a mystery how objectively terrible people have any audience whatsoever. I'm not even talking about big streamers here.
>The idea that it takes extreme amounts of time and dedication is a myth. In actuality you just have to put the bare minimum effort in and not give up after a week of no one watching you.
Half true. I'd say part of it is dedication/effort and 500% of it is luck

Here's my links. The pipeline is Stream to Edited Video to Clips. I'm constantly in editing hell and I'm really trying to get over my 'tism about the quality of my videos so that I can stream/upload more. I'd appreciate if anyone checks the clips channel. My clips get less than nothing and that drives me crazy. Honestly, I'm fine with getting no views. I make Let's Plays, so the lack of views makes sense. I've been making vids for over 2 years cause it's fun and keeps me busy, but I just don't get why the clips get nothing. Anyways, I hope someone enjoys. Drop your links too, my friends. I like watching what you guys are making

https://www.youtube.com/@MostlyPositiveChannel
https://www.youtube.com/@MostlyPositiveClips
https://www.twitch.tv/mostlypositivechannel

>>714626029
yet you're fed the lie that you can be one of the few and people eat that lie up

It's boring doing it by yourself and having a parasocial relationship with your is not fun in the slightest.

>>714626029
Twitch isn't a good platform for streaming anyway.

>>714620912 (OP)
Thats just not true buddy
I've been streaming for multiple years only got 2 of the $50 payouts and one of those was $75 from when they lowered it down when it was $100 minimum
I've got a top end PC, I play relatively popular games like Marvel Rivals and Street Fighter 6 and I stream daily, always read every chat, do the most I can to have minimal ads because they are mandatory on twitch now and interrupt content no matter what

you have to make a conscious and consistent effort to shill yourself across everywhere, make connections, watching bigger streamers to have a chance at being raided, and when you DO get raided you need to put on that fake LFG hype man personality cause the initial raid has about 70% of them leave the moment their streamer does it and then the last of them trickle away fast
OR you can have an existing audience on another platform follow you, but the you risk losing them too like when moistcritical lost a lot of his audience getting lazy with his content fucking reuploading stream vods with the titles of videos
not to mention twitchs poor discovery features

its tough man, you cant just turn on obs, play like you do every day, and expect an audience to come from that
thats a daydream
im impressed anyone ever cracks past 10 viewers and isnt a cute egirl simp-baiting for donos

>>714626163
>Javier
oof
>no camera
at least you got that right

>>714625868
Do not listen to this guy, that only works for women. Being a vtuber is the worst option available for a man. The only successful male vtubers either have to do gay shit to pander to women, use AI voices/TTS with female avatars, or be born Japanese and join Nijisanji. Just stream without a facecam or graphic on screen, you'll save money and leave with your dignity if it doesn't work out.

>>714626419
>Do not listen to this guy, that only works for women
Anime avatars aren't the only option for vtuber models.

>>714620912 (OP)
>barrier of entry = appealing to fags, being the most casual fag ever, requiring a PR degree or its gonna be game over, overcoming the realization that it will be pure grind after the first 4 hour livestream
Wow, it's that simple? Shit, I'll go and livestream right away!

I'm not super excited about my job, but I'd always take it over babysitting of adult men even if the pay was equal.

>>714626338
>you cant just turn on obs, play like you do every day, and expect an audience to come from that
maybe because you only play popular garbage
niche games will get you an audience just off the fact no many other streamers are offering that content

>>714620912 (OP)
Have a communication disorder so that ain't happening.

>>714626598
Look at this niggerlover https://www.twitch.tv/getquakedon
he's had 100 viewers for 10 years straight now. Only the 0.001% will rise.

>>714626598
thats not true either, when I was streaming Marvel Snap on launch before the big streamers took it over it was no different
same with DNF Duel
same with Lethal League Blaze
it just isnt possible, otherwise more people would do it
there are MANY MANY low viewcount games I've played and streamed and it doesnt amount to anything especially if you dont plan to dedicate your channel soley to that single game day in and day out even after youve siphoned it out of all its content

>>714626680
streaming fps slop is honestly retarded, way too tiring to play that shit all the time

>>714625653
Ah yes, i remember that Southpark episode

>>714626680
>overwatch
super popular slop game
>>714626739
garbage fighting games

when I say niche, I mean actual niche AND good. Usually a niche genre as well, and fighting and fps is not that.

>>714620912 (OP)
Because only like the top ~1% make enough to make a decent living and that group of people are usually people who were already famous from something else (like pro-gaming), were early adopters who had the first mover advantage and streamed literally for over the past decade, or are people with connections who knows someone else who is famous. Hitting it big at this point is basically the equivalent of winning the lottery since you need to compete with everyone else

Also OnlyFans is basically the same thing btw, the majority of OF models do not make enough to make a living

>>714627013
>your subjective opinion
and Fable, and Jet Set Radio Future, No Mans Sky, countless indie roguelikes, it doesnt matter
you are fucking DELUSIONAL and dont know anything about what youre talking about

>>714620912 (OP)
no one wants to watch games there, they just want to be part of some community

i do just chatting streams while i smoke my bong and practice guitar
i get around 90 viewers a stream and we just chill and smoke and vibe and one of them donates like $1k a month haha

>>714627206
sounds like you're just boring

I think you have a decent chance of gaining a following if you're a speedrunner. I follow a few speedrunners and 99% of the time they play the same game for hours every stream but they've amassed a decent size community

>>714627353
good argument
I notice you yourself arent taking your own fucking advice

>>714627358
I got 8 viewers on my first speedrun stream of a pretty dead game
I quit after I got a good pb though kek

>>714627441
Was it a game from the 90s/00s? I feel like there is a big section of viewers to see games they played as a kid get played fast

>>714627358
I used to watch LilAggy super often. Found him through GDQ. Funny thing is, I only watch his horror VOD's and not his Soul's speedruns

>>714620912 (OP)
>Say word
>Career over
Yeah nah, i'll NEET in peace thank you.

>>714627391
Streaming is just not my thing.
However, it's fairly obvious what works and what doesn't.
Wouldn't surprise me that someone who would actually go out and stream (stupid people like you) wouldn't immediately see effective ways to gather an audience.

>>714627658
yeah 2005, that's the same reason I started speedrunning it

>>714620912 (OP)
Get a real job, fucking loser!

>>714627734
>Professional MMA just is not my thing.
>However, it's fairly obvious what works and what doesn't.

>Does nothing
>Becomes a millionaire

Because I'm too autistic and retarded, and only recently got diagnosed with ADD and haven't gotten any meds for it yet. I can only play a game for an hour before I lose all interest and need to nap for 3 hours. Or jack off to AI-slop and THEN nap.

>>714627846
Wow, it's almost like MMA and streaming are completely separate things.
Every post you make just reinforces your stupidity. I think it's best to stop to prevent any further embarrassment.

>>714628032
wow its almost like someone who doesnt have any experience in the thing he acts like a fucking know it all about is annoying regardless of the topic
you do NOT know what you are fucking talking about, if you did you would take advantage and make a name for yourself or have maybe a SINGLE person you know who took your advice to become successful
but you dont, because youre speaking out your ass about a topic you have not even a surface level understanding of
be fucking silent im done with your stupidity

>>714627849
>chris tucker streams

>>714627762
i'm gonna fuck ur mom while wearing spandex fuckin WWE tranny

>>714628138
Yeah, this is the behavior I'd expect out of a streamer with no viewers. Just overly toxic and rude.
That mannerism of yours is repellent to any potential viewers.

I don't like streaming or the culture that goes with it. I don't even understand what people see in it. The bigger the streamer, the more pointless it seems to me. It's some asshole/bitch sitting alone talking to themself while 10000 people in chat spam shit that's too fast to read.

It's a zoomer thing. I don't get it. I don't want to. Fucking weirdos.

>be me
>have an actual professional career
>decide to stream to make some money on the side or make it big
>get zero viewers for a long time
>eventually get maybe 5 randoms
>all of them taking jabs at me here and there
>being passive aggressive etc.
>get lured into saying unhinged shit
>find out it's people from work
>they're all laughing at me now
>sharing clips of my stream and laughing at them
>manager asks me what the fuck I'm doing and lets me go

>>714620912 (OP)
Because my plan is to become a vtuber, as I don't want to show my face online, but that has its own added costs.

>open twitch
>2min ad
>close twitch

>>714628332
I had a coworker who streamed and told everybody, nobody made fun of him though

I tried watching a few vtubers, not famous ones and every single one felt like I was in a room where pedophiles attempt to groom a girl

>>714628682
ublock origin

>>714628332
>get lured into saying unhinged shit
sounds like a personal problem

>>714620912 (OP)
>Most people don't know how to stream with a proper setup, lack a consistent schedule, play boring games they aren't even good at and have less than zero charisma
Why are they streaming, then?

>>714628775
That's a you problem.

>>714628682
streamers who run pre-rolls should be immediately put down. I seriously don't understand the self sabotage. Every single time a pre-roll runs, I move on.

>>714628918
ads are forced on twitch heres how it works
if you just stream and do nothing in your settings a new viewer will get an ad EVERY time they open your stream and every 30 min
if you go on your stream and turn on ad breaks you can run a 3 min ad manually and it will turn off ads on your stream for 30 min till youre forced to run another set of ads BUT it is gonna run like 3 different ads

there is no option for less because twitch sucks

>>714620912 (OP)
If I did that I would make a 3d model of my OC shota I use on F-list to fuck milfs and be vtuber tier pervert.

>>714626371
>no camera
I tested out Puppy Cam recently. I like it. I don't take enough pictures of my dog as it is, so this is a happy medium. I think the shot will always look bad though. I don't have the heart to move his bed from his comfy spot just to get a better shot.

>>714627358
and the minute they switch games no one wants to watch, you'll be pigeon holed into that single game

>>714620912 (OP)
The market is fucking saturated

>>714620912 (OP)
I'm male.

>>714620912 (OP)
why bother when countless others are trying the same thing, all driven by money because why the fuck wouldn't you be? everyone sees a streamer go live and earn more money in donations over an hour than you have over years, so of course people dream of that and starts streaming, especially if you're poor or/and on neetbucks, because hobbies are dead

>>714625595
>caseoh

>>714626252
It's even grimmer on YouTube. How many times do you run into smaller non-vtuber streamers on it? Most people that aren't a vtuber either moved their Twitch user base to YouTube, or have years worth of content on their YouTube channel and then begin streaming on YouTube.

>>714630913
his image just showed you its an asian only platform

>>714620912 (OP)
I play video games for fun

I streamed for awhile when I was 17 and this nice girl from singapore watched all my streams and was flirting with me, my irl was fucked though so I stopped even though I had a fair few regular viewers for awhile. I regret stopping but such is life

>>714628918
Pre-roll > mid-roll

There are no good new games to play. Gaming streaming is dead. It's all IRL shit now.

>>714626338
You admitted to playing oversaturated slop

>>714631138
It just depends what youre playing. If youre doing something like rocket league or something fast where things are habbening then pre roll makes sense. Mid roll makes more sense for slow simulator games where I can stop and stretch or whateber

>>714631525
read

>worked in high stress professional settings for years
>spiraled hard a few years ago after personal things went badly, left job
>started vtubing so I would have people to talk to and maybe make some money
>make enough to live off of it now and have met some really nice people through it
>gives me a chance to indulge the happy little drama kid I was once upon a time

>>714620912 (OP)
like 99.9% of streamers have no viewers, or they're streaming to themselves. You're going to get buried in the algorhythm unless you go viral somewhere else.

i do, i have a small amount of viewers but they're very active and i've completed loads of games around my 9-5 thanks to streaming

unfortunately i'm a furry vtuber with a big ass. this attracts some and filters others. i hate furry culture so it kinda evens it out for the more normie viewers, i ended up being one of the "good" ones

>>714632393
algorithm, it's not rhythm based

>>714625547
nah. ill take my chances

>>714632474
But it can be anon. We can make it so. We have the technology

>>714620912 (OP)
I did. I did a few speedruns but I had no charisma so I stayed at around four to six viewers on average for like two years before I got too busy to keep going.

>>714626163
POSITIVE TF YOU DOIN IN HERE GET BACK TO THE RICSWAZA STREAM

>>714632462
>spoiler
prove it

>>714620912 (OP)
I can't because of my crippling porn addiction I have to constantly alt tab between game and porn tabs every 30 seconds, I'd get banned on my first day as a new streamer

>>714633198
groove is in the heart

>>714634126
if you insist https://files.catbox.moe/o73m6k.png

>>714631971
I'm glad that worked out for you. Are you a PNGtuber or a proper vtuber?
>gives me a chance to indulge the happy little drama kid I was once upon a time
I used to stream with some success and stopped because I was busy with IRL bullshit that left me suicidally depressed for years. I really liked streaming because, while I was also a theater kid, it really reminded me of playing video games while sitting my younger siblings and cousins. I often wonder whether I should back into it, because I feel like I've lost touch with the joy I used to get from entertaining other people.

It doesn't help that every other labor market feels like it's fucked, and you might as well just do what you like to do now.

>>714620912 (OP)
everyone's trying to do it.
zommers' most popular "career" choice.
most people here are too anti social as well and will just blame their failings on not having big boobs.

>>714634107

you'd make more money just working a few years and putting money into a diversified portfolio
than you'd ever make streaming to 1 or 2 people
it's only worth it if you like engaging with people and are a woman

>>714634521
nice avatar anon

>>714634729
Why not stream for a few years and put that money into a diversified portfolio

>>714634774
thanks man

>>714620912 (OP)
Don't forget to seethe about backseating and tumblrisms in your about section.

>>714625868
is it easy to set up the avatar?

>>714634791
you'd retire from an actual job by than
rather than having to pander to people, hold popular opinions the rest of your life, and even ugly women fat women have trouble with streaming on twitch, i've seen women with like 14k followers only have like 3 viewers a stream

doing it for the money is where anyone goes wrong; do it to make friends or just to complete games or look like a silly avatar and the motivation (and disdain for metrics) comes easily

>>714620912 (OP)
Streaming is hard work. I understand that neets have no issue claiming that it's easy while ignoring the massive pile of mindbroken streamers, but that's because neets are dumb.

>>714626029
>Like 90-95% of streamers stream to literally no one.
You are retarded. 98% of twitch accounts never stream.

>>714625493
>music is oversaturated
>books are oversaturated
>movies are oversaturated
What is it about streaming that makes people think this is a smart thing to say?

>good at games even though this is irrelevant
>funny
>charismatic
>handsome
>lonely and schizoid, so i like forming fake friendships online without the commitment of a real relationship
>have personal connections with streamers
>autistic, so i can hyperfocus on specific content for weeks or months without getting burnt out, and i like routine
I probably should.

>>714634585
>I used to stream with some success and stopped because I was busy with IRL bullshit that left me suicidally depressed for years.
nta but i hope things have gotten better, anon.
if you post your channel (if you get into it) i'll check it out.

>>714635509
With music, books, and movies you can eventually break out without extra effort because someone will eventually find your old work.
With streaming on Twitch, you literally cannot maintain your old videos because they autodelete.

any twitch alternatives?

>>714635828
>With music, books, and movies you can eventually break out without extra effort because someone will eventually find your old work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

I started because my friend I played vidya with got a gf and now Im 30 and dont have friends anymore. I never had 'online' friends growing up but Ive entered the circles of some really supportive people and its actually pretty fun. Also works as a creative outlet I needed, since editing clips and working on art for my channel has been cool.