Thread 714624005

what happened to MMORPGs?

F tier: all mmos

>>714624005 (OP)
The only reason to ever play any was to fuck around with friends, but superior options for doing that appeared, so.

I mean, I guess there was some other stuff you could do, like exploring and admiring WoW's environment- I remember a thread on /vr/ where an anon posted a bunch of cool pictures- but that gets boring quick. Gameplay wise MMOs have nothing that's attractive. Casuals and autists both have options that cater to them better.

>>714624005 (OP)
The best MMO on the market is classic.
Think about that.

>>714626693
*WoW classic I mean ofc

>>714624005 (OP)
MMOs were always a niche genre but they’ve stagnated ever since WoW captured the market. They’re simply not worth the time investment

I said it to a previous thread and I'll say it to this one too:
As someone who still plays Maplestory, it does not belong that high up on the list

>>714624005 (OP)
I like Runescape though :(

>>714627807
Nor does Tortanic or GW2, the latter of which I have like 3000 hours in. Mabinogi maybe but I haven't played that shit in like 15 years.

>>714624005 (OP)
>Dofus in S
HAHAHAHAHA no. They absolutely fumbled the 3.0 launch and still didn't fix even half of the issues a year later.

People can't reliably afford to pay for a subscription service any more and, quite frankly, I would rather have just paid 60 once to begin with.

I swear half these threads are just the 3 people still in the /vm/ guild trying to get somebody, anybody, to play with them

>>714628024
They absolutely can, look how many different streaming services people pay for every month. The problem is that there's literally no justification for monthly fees anymore, since the magic of MMOs went away after WoW.

>>714628274
>look how many different streaming services people pay for every month
Do they, though?

>>714628418
Uh, yeah? I guess your online discord groomer friends don't count, but most normal people pay for at least one streaming service every month.

Some please talk me out of resubbing for FF XIV

>>714628551
Genuinely the worst patch we had ever, and they froze auto-demolition too. Not even worth resubbing for battle content because everyone who cared already finished it.

>>714624005 (OP)
>no city of heroes
well that explains why your doomposting mmos.
the future for mmos lies in the fans, not game companies.

Wildstar will be getting the city of heroes treatment.

>Wakfu in C
>Dofus in S
isn't Wakfu an improvement in every way over Dofus? Seems like a nostalgiafag list, but then OSRS is in F for some reason?

Searching for posts with the image hash ‘AMnpqQhTHXG5JE1H4Ei7Eg==’. 27 results found.

>dofus shill thread

>>714629501
There's another 20 or so for "mmo.png"

>>714624005 (OP)
hey OP I know your pic is bait, but what MMO are you trying to get us into?

My favorite MMO just so happens to be the best MMO. Your favorite MMO sucks.

>>714628501
No they aren't, most normalfags are starting to get roku or fire sticks and use the free services, or just flat out use free tv/movie websites. There are entire facebook groups for normies dedicated to keeping people updated with the latest free tv website.

Normalfags nowadays pay for a netflix/hulu/amazon subscription for like one month to watch a new TV show that released, then they'll cancel their subscription when they're done. Not that many people are keeping up 24/7 subscriptions on multiple services anymore.

>really liked Atlantica Online
>More recent server files held hostage by faggoty russians who do nothing but make burner private servers or attempt to scam anyone who wants more recent files so eventually all the nice and decent private servers gave up after squeezing as much development as they could despite the restriction of older files.
>years later the entire community has pretty much slowly begun to burn out

its not fair.

>>714632767
Those two hardcore groups are the only ones who actually engage with MMOs as a genre for the sake of their gameplay experience. Casuals, economic players, and RPers all played for reasons tangential to the actual gameplay and over time just found better outlets as the novelty of the MMO experience wore off.

>>714633058
There isn't a single mmo left that's being kept alive by hardcore pvpers or pvers though.

EverQuest was great. But it was a new genre, the majority of people online were white, literate males. The spoiler wikis were years away. The game mandated interpersonal relationships and teamwork.

Those days are never coming back. But EQ circa 1999 was magic

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/AMnpqQhTHXG5JE1H4Ei7Eg/

posted his shitty tierlist again award

>>714627992
They really did. 3.0 was supposed to be the big revival and instead we got a Frankenstein UI, balance changes nobody asked for, and half the classes feel like they were designed by interns on a dare. Ankama spent more time on their animated spin-offs than actually polishing the relaunch. Nostalgia can only carry a game so far when the minute-to-minute gameplay feels like molasses in 2025.

>>714632767
>MMORPGs
>hardcore pvpers

I fucking wish. Maybe 15 years ago but that player base has been executed/cannibalized itself.

>>714632767
I know people would fill a rubber tire with gasoline and light it on fire around me neck for saying this but I fucking WISH MMO's focused on casual players more on the game design side of things, not monetization. By that I don't mean "I wish they sold more MTX to make us level up quicker", no I mean I wish they let casuals involve themselves in the game world. What I remember so fondly of OG World of Warcraft was that you could get by on just picking berries or being a merchant or a traveler or someone who sold player buffs. Now it seems like an expectation you'll do raids and kill things and do PVP at some point. Maybe I just want a comfy hangout space.

>>714633780
Albion Online
Eve

>>714634361
Those games are run by rich faggots spending thousands on RMT while they imagine themselves as some great commander because they corral hundreds of retards on discord. I guess it is some kind of "hardcore" though.

>>714634105
MMOs aren't like this anymore because they're too generous now. Back then you could get by on picking berries, buying low/selling high or selling buffs because everyone was scraping buy trying to scrounge up whatever change they could find. I think having the average player struggle for pots and other basic needs was an important aspect in MMOs and making people feel invested in the world imo. Any little thing that gets you some money matters and these games are full of content that give you small amounts of money. All of that is useless when the game basically streamlines the entire game experience into making the player character a raid-ready godkiller of the world.

>>714633393
That is true, but what I said previously is also true. Its up to developers to figure out a scope that actually works for the true audience they have.

>>714624005 (OP)
Not a single MMO deserves to be in S tier in 2k25. Probably not even in A tier, but definitely not S.

FOXHOLE C+ TIER FOR MIND NUMBING TRENCH WARFARE AND REALTIME LOGISTICS GRIND

>>714634105
That was UO.
That was Star Wars Galaxy
That was Runescape
Casuals are not berry pickers or buff sellers, those are hardcore players or RP'ers.

>>714624005 (OP)
Why the fuck is AA in B
It was amazing until the very first cash shop update added thunderstrucks, it was all downhill from there

>>714624005 (OP)
Maybe we got too old? Idunno. I remember in FFXI I had to devote days if not weeks to farming items just to get gil to pay for my spells/equipment. In FFXIV I don't need to do that now, I just get gil just by playing normally. The classic MMOs died cause no one has the time. Everyone grew up

>>714637130
Foxhole isn't a MMORPG

>>714624005 (OP)
OP and whoever made this list needs to kill themselves.

>>714628551
Why the fuck would you want to? There is fuck all to do

>>714634569
The ones at the top don't buy, they sell.

xiv deserves to be F tier after DT and 7.3 having no content, essentially no reason to log in for the next 6 months

>>714637508
It says 2025 tier list and not 2013.

Is ESO actually playable? How about Fallout 76 on current day?

>runescape D tier
Casual moron detected

>>714638479
It's not even a game, it's an autistic time wasting simulator. And I say this as someone who has played EVE.

Dumping the real list rn

>>714637484
Those games (and other MMO's) were geared towards combat, you truthfully couldn't do anything else without participating in combat at some stage even if you want to pick rarer berries because it'll be in a high level dungeon. There just isn't any progression when it comes to casual stuff and most MMO's treat it as a side activity where being level 1 berry picker is no different than being level 99 berry picker. Even just a simple "now that you're experienced, you can navigate thorn bushes to pick rarer berries!" would go a long way.

>>714638592
>"this restaurant reminds me of McDonald's"
>-man who has only eaten mcdonalds

>>714638670
I LOVE the style of Maple 2, a shame it killed itself with six bullets on the back of the head

>>714638360
>ESO
Yes
>Fallout 76
Yes but Fallout 1st is a must for the long run

>>714624005 (OP)
>dragonica is not there

sad but it's fine knowing i grew up playing those back in teenage years, it was really fun memories

i unironically married (in-game) with indonesian girl that turned out to be a real mixed race indonesian girl with white pale skin

>>714626852
almost all of the ones I tried were just fucking lame, Runescape was the only one I liked but the subscription model just wasn't for me, I don't want to pay per month to play one fucking game

why can't I just get a modern (released in the past 5 years) non cancer MMO

>>714638773
it was one of the coziest and most creative social games I've ever played. I keep a gallery of my character and the people I met through fishing and the dancefloor minigames. I wish nexon didn't can it, but I guess it couldn't have been helped due to the lack of content moderation

>>714639007
Join us in the dark side anon....
We know you want too

>>714624005 (OP)
>always dreamt of playing EVE
>get filtered by the grind and the need to be social
one day, someone will make a single player version of the game, x3 and X4 comes close but not enough

All this should be turned around to be more combat focused, since all people really want is to bash each other's heads in anyway. There's a reason why assfaggots are still popular nowadays
And picrel would be better if it's not RPG. MMO assfaggots sounds fun tho

>>714624005 (OP)
F2P microtransaction games. MMOs attracted huge investment in the 2000s because the subscription model seemed more lucrative than standard games at the time. It was, but really only for the industry leaders. Once f2P monetization and lootboxes/gacha were popularized and proived popular all the cynical money investment in games moved over to that both on mobile and PC. MMOs can make a lot of money but they take a massive amount of development effect to keep invested players happy.

>>714638716
It's obvious you didn't play any of them. Star Wars Galaxy especially was not geared towards combat.

>>714639698
Neither did you because it's called Star Wars Galaxies (not Galaxy) and it shut down in 2011.

>>714640456
Nice google skills bro. Still, you've already revealed your ignorance, too late for any pathetic gotcha attempts.

>>714640614
You're awfully defensive for someone who just got caught out. Show me your MMO registration emails and I'll concede.

>>714624675
This.

Untill we develop a full dive technology, the genre will stay shit.

>>714640762
I said the singular variant instead of the plural, oh no!
I don't need to prove anything to you, you're a WoWtard speaking as if you have any experience in the genre outside WoW and it's clones, when in fact you have none. Use your pro google skills to learn about older mmos before posting ignorant tripe with so much confidence.

>>714641063
>no codes

>>714624005 (OP)
Don't care, still enjoying OSRS.

>>714641630
post gameplay

>>714641439
Yeah, no interest in proving anything to a WoWtard. Stay ignorant I guess.

>>714624005 (OP)
>Guild Wars 2
>A

>>714641671
Doing my farm run at the moment.

>>714624005 (OP)
What's A tier about Nexon MMOs this year?

>>714642070
Mabinogi is still good and gettin an engine rework
MapleStory, despite it's age, has timeless graphics, solid gameplay, and is still updated with content and classes. It is what it is.

You made this shit bait thread already.
Now kill yourself.

>>714641063
>I don't need to prove anything to you
Just one, your MMO emails so I know you aren't talking gibberish.

>>714624005 (OP)
It seems like a lot of mmo players lost motivation after what happened to retail wow and other modern slopmos

Maybe Aion 2 will be fun for a while.. never tried the first one tho

>>714642178
>Mabinogi is still good and gettin an engine rework
This hasn't happened yet and Mabinogi is P2W with the reforge system last I played.
>MapleStory, despite it's age, has timeless graphics, solid gameplay, and is still updated with content and classes. It is what it is.
Fair enough but if xiv was f2p I would put it above both of them.

>>714639007
Apogea looks like the only actual mmo releasing before 2030

>>714624005 (OP)
they were never good in the first place. The gameplay was always pretty embarrassing

>>714643486
You can get reforges in game now, and next update on KR removes the line gaining/ranking up so you always get rank 1 three line.
UE5 remake is probably another 2~3 years out still but they showed a bit of gameplay with combat and gathering recently at their live event.

>>714624005 (OP)
>wizard101 is not visible as it's in the S+ tier
everything as it should be

>>714645616
>You can get reforges in game now
Thank god. I'll try it out again tonight. I'm still kind of assblasted because I lost some very expensive scrolls in game (my own fault) but it is what it is.

Retail WoW got much worse when it started borrowing heavily from newer MMOs, particularly GW2 and FFXIV systems like fractals, heart events, forced campaign, skyriding
Why borrow from your competition when you're clearly winning? If these systems were so good then people would be playing them instead but they're not

>>714624005 (OP)
what's the deal with wow's new player experience being non-existent after exile's reach? you just get dumped into your faction capital and told to fuck off with no lore or anything. you're just supposed to know who there famous people are. also you're a trusted champion or something along those lines for whatever reason.
how do they actually expect to keep new players coming in?

anyone know if dc universe online is still any good? i remember playing it a lot back in the day but it had a ton of content locked behind premium episodes or some similar shit and there wasn't much of a playerbase back then

>>714646170
Not only do you basically get dropped like a turd in the world after Exile's reach if you queue for dungeons people will speedrun them and if they dont know the dungeon they will get verbally abused.

>>714645845
>feel like giving either it or pirate101 a go since I don't have to worry about ping due to turn based.
>sub turns me off everytime.

You'd really think they would try and hook you by making the non-paid stuff just a bit longer.