Thread 714642026

"Reviving Sega will be the greatest achievement of my career."
- Sega President, Shuji Utsumi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5fYU3dimWg

Japan doesn't care about Sonic

he means making shitty remakes of 30yo games

>>714642026 (OP)
I can't stand these interviews by CNBC, Bloomberg, Washington Post and the like. You can tell they have no clue and no care about the interviews and are just rolling through the questions they've been told to ask. Too many stupid questions.

Anyone wanting to make a new console needs to target a specific older era.
modern-retro consoles are the only avenue for new ones.

>>714642287
But they do like Miku. And Sega has the rights to make Miku games.

apparently Saturn was -the- premiere console for otaku games and fanservice
but with how RGG, Sega Division 3, and probably other devs under them are now far too chummy with westerners, I doubt SEGA would ever return to that

>>714642939
Which is right up Sega's alley. Someone will fill the void Xbox is leaving. Sega Strikes Back.

Nintendo would shit the bed if they made an actual new console and locked all their Sega and Atlus games there as exclusives. If people wanted to play the new persona, sonic, yakuza, etc they would all be forced to buy the console but it would also create a lot of outrage and hatred towards Sega because only Nintendo gets to do that and everyone else that does exclusives is bad

>>714642026 (OP)
fix pso2 please

>>714643258
If they did that I would become a fanboy overnight and buy all their shit.

>>714642026 (OP)
It's missing something..

>>714643258
Sega/Atlus has better franchises/IP than Playstation currently. There is no way Sega isn't evaluating why their portfolio adds value to other consoles and not their own.

>>714642026 (OP)
The interview said nothing about a new console. It was just the woman interviewer asking him useless questions the whole time.

The more I think about it, the more I’m mixed on sega ever entering the console war again, mainly because I’d miss their games on other consoles and I still don’t have enough faith in the sonic series’ consistency nowadays for it to be a console seller

>>714643238
>xbox filled sega void
>sega will fill xbox void
Full circle

>>714643516
Sega would adopt the Xbox method of putting all their games on PC and, if it works, on mobile. Most of us wouldn't lose anything. Also I don't see Sega suddenly no longer willing to put their Sonic games and old classic games on Nintendo like they always do, or their Persona games on Xbox/PlayStation. Yakuza I could see going Sega console PC, mobile only though

>>714643882
To add to this though, I do think Sega is better off not jumping back in to consoles. Hardware manufacturing costs would be way too high for one, but I really just don't think the appetite is there for a Sega box anymore when PlayStation and Nintendo have it taken care of. You could say that Sega could differentiate by bring the arcade box or something, but since nobody really goes after those anymore, it'd be a losing strategy.

>>714642026 (OP)
There was a Genesis 2 wtf?

sega needs to partner up with valve

>>714644131
sega needs to show Amy's grippers.

>>714644060
It's just a shrunk down model of the Genesis with worse sound.

>>714642026 (OP)
Xbox is basically dead. Its time. Get in there Sega

>>714642026 (OP)
I like current Sega just fine, no need to potentially blow everything up while chasing a console market.

I can't see a sega console succeeding

Nintendies has the toddler market

Snoy has the teen+ market

Xbox is basically just babbies first PC at this point

They don't have a draw because Sonic and other IPs are already multiplat. The console has to be crazy innovative like the Wii or something

>>714642026 (OP)

As cool as it would be, it's doubtful that Sega would want to spoil its profits with the money pit that is hardware. However, Sega has an incredible amount of intellectual properties, most of which are dormant. They are bringing back Virtua Fighter, but I wonder if they are thinking about the best way to get some of those IPs back out there either as retro re-releases or reviving them?

>>714644934
Consoles never need innovation. They just need to run games. All this bullshit about making them have some gimmick is unnecessary. Just make good games. Its that simple

>>714642026 (OP)
>>714643612
>>714644131
I want Sega to be a first party hardware manufacture but not a full on game company. They had the best hall effect controllers in the market and haven't been copied since.

>>714642026 (OP)
The market is ripe for someone to just swoop in and sell a traditional console with complete games that boot up immediately.

>>714645826
I actually think all of these companies should just make FPGA varients of their previous consoles that can play cartridges/discs. Even start producing the carts and discs again. Just force out companies like Analog.

>>714642939
Sounds kind of like the playdate which is pretty successful all things considered

Would buy everything sega related if it means competition for Nintendo and tendies. Hope they make a console

>XBOX dies
>Sega consoles retvrn

>>714642026 (OP)
God I hope they come back into the console market just to see fags on here sperg out

>>714642026 (OP)
They can take Xbox's spot, Fuck Microsoft.

Please Lord let them come back, Xbox is practically dead and the void needs to filled with a third console

ITS TIME

>>714642026 (OP)
That's not what he means.

>>714643258
>>714643316
>>714643383
Dreamcast was truly ahead of its time

>Sega of Japan's Katana for Dreamcast
>Hitachi SH4 chips
>PVR on Dreamcast was much better than PSX GPU
>Rarely-used volumetric per-pixel shadows and volumetric fog features
>Order Independent Transparency and is the only system to date that came with OIT at the hardware level
>16MB of RAM (8x the PS1/Saturn)
>Planned HDD and DVD Drive
>Planned MP3 playback

>>714642026 (OP)
No. I want Sonic to die forever

>Sega console happens
>it comes with xbox store and steam
welp

"Also it wont be a war"
"Nintendo will be stomped"
"Sega will curbstomp everyone"
This was what my source told me back in September of last year.

>>714647775
>3 movies in
>already over a billion dollars at the box office
>another movie already in production
Sonic is immortal

>>714642026 (OP)
They can't even make a good Sonic game and you expect them to make a good console?

>>714642026 (OP)
Would be Based

>>714648020
Dilate tranny

>>714644060
You better sit down for this one.

>>714648346
>implying it would be any good

Consumers have moved on. Classic SEGA styled games aren't appealing to the masses. Better to remain 3rd party.

>>714647626
Absolutely, unequivocally, based.

>>714642939
https://www.theguardian.com/games/2024/dec/20/we-are-not-a-retro-company-sega-prepares-to-go-back-to-the-future

Yeaaah

>>714647626
>wmht eee ltn coe otx level
what did they mean by this

>>714642026 (OP)
>duke nukem
>ash ketchum
>both drawn in the megaman artstyle along with sonic and knuckles
why??

>>714649308
2000s kino

>>714648346
>apple
Thanks, monkey's paw.

>>714643003
Okay consider this: a Sega console that's basically just a big Miku figurine that can play games. You can change out the outfits, the heads (for other Vocaloids, natch), and buy little accessories to go around the base of the figurine console (some games come with figurines, like a special edition of the obligatory Sonic game comes with a miniature Sonic the Hedgehog that leans up against Miku's leg).

>>714643383
>There is no way Sega isn't evaluating why their portfolio adds value to other consoles and not their own.
What do you mean "not their own"? Sega doesn't have a console.

>>714645470
>They had the best hall effect controllers in the market and haven't been copied since.
I will never stop seething about how Retro-bit just completely phoned it in with their licensed SEGA controllers near the end and shelved a ton of their other planned Saturn/DC repros. The way they massacred their Saturn 3D Pad replacement controller was a fucking war crime.

>>714643258
>Sega gets Capcom to make games for them and joins hands with Bandai and Konami.
Who could stop them?

>>714649881
This will never happen tho

>>714649830
>The way they massacred their Saturn 3D Pad replacement controller was a fucking war crime.
It's not a replacement controller at all though because there are no analog triggers. You still have to have the original 3D pad for that

>>714650667
And that's exactly one of the worst things about it. After like 5 or 6 years in development hell, they changed gears and prioritized making it a Switchslop third party replacement controller over making it an actual replacement for a 3D Pad. This wouldn't hurt so bad if they at least greenlit production for the on-model 3D Pad repro they showed off when they first got the SEGA license.

>>714642026 (OP)
>that timeline
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NOMAAAAD???
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NOMAAAAD???
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!

>>714648020
>Sonic Adventure 3 and a new big budget Project Diva game as some of the launch titles
I Kneel SegaChads

>>714642287
>>714643003
Shit, you know what? Miku is Sega's current mascot and they could rebrand with her.

>>714652571
>>Sonic Adventure 3
Sonic 2006: the sequel incoming
>>714652686
They can't because Crypton owns her, not Sega.

>>714647136
it's funny how much Sega and Sonic makes autist on here seethe

>>714652978
It's fun to make fun of shitty games like Sonic

>>714652978
Because this board is a Tendie board, just look at how much they sperg out at all the shit MKW is getting

>>714653490
Keep seething, chris chan

>>714643258
>Nintendo
But why? They have a rabbid fanbase of fans that buy their shit for Nintendo games. Sonic isn't a Nintendo console pusher and most of Atlus' titles have been late ports. Only Sony would suffer because a few less IPs on their console.

>>714643258
This is the most delusional post in the history of /v/.

>>714653906
Sonicfags are extremely autistic

>>714644934
>Nintendies has the toddler market
>Snoy has the teen+ market
>Xbox is basically just babbies first PC at this point

This is a decades-out-of-date perspective.

>>714652559
American-only variant of the Genesis, like the Genesis 3. Not worth documenting.

Sega will never re-enter the console market, as they don't have any of the developers they used to have in order to justify it, or sell a console with. There will be no new Sonic Adventure, no new Virtua Fighter, no new Sonic 1. Anyone capable of making things like this was fired or became a soulless husk to survive during the past 20 years.

>>714643258
I do not see how this would work. I mean yes maybe 12 years ago it would have been worth it to have a platform and make exclusives. But with rising costs of games and budgets, you are limiting yourself. It makes sense to be a multiplatform distributor. Their key issue is failing to execute on their ideas and throwing ninja stars on notes and choosing to go with that as a whole.

>>714654537
Honestly it's very weird how they still manage to survive with LAD, Sonic and literally depend on Atlus for their survival with Persona lol.

>>714642026 (OP)
>all these damn consoles in such a short amount of time
It's a wonder why they had to go third party

>>714642026 (OP)
Consoles are done, even Sega understands this.

>>714654598
>but with RiSinG cOstS oF gamES aNd BudGetS
Please just crash the industry already so everyone bleating on about this can fuck off.

>>714654830
This, it just wouldn't make sense for them to return. When you go third party, it's over. I don't believe Sega can get a big crowd interested like they could in the 90s.

>>714642026 (OP)
>Game Gear
>No NOMAD anywhere

Fuck. Off.

Sega gets more money from being third party than they would locking down their stuff to one console. Giving up that sweet Nintendo Switch money would be madness.

>>714654537
If Atari can release a new console then Sega can.

>>714644585
>but better video
You can hax the sound easier than you can hax the video on the model 1.

>>714647728
>Dreamcast was truly ahead of it's time
...indeed...

>>714654598
What if Sega made a bunch of cheaper games instead of one really expensive one. Then they'd have more games than the competition and have higher profit margins.

>>714654986
They can't
Android emulator boxes and portable PCs aren't a "new console"

>>714653490
deserved, MKW is fucking shit

>>714655060
So the Switch and Steam Deck aren't consoles?

>>714655075
Don't you have a mother to rape?

>>714642026 (OP)
>shows "Master System" (inferior neutered cucklolcowlization of vastly superior Mark III)
>no Nomad
>shows Genesis II and MegaDrive II, but not Sega CD for MegaDrive/Genesis II, only the first one (CD addon for MD/Genesis II is vastly better)
>shows burgerlard Saturn instead of vastly superior Japanese one (literal betrayal and traitorous cuck out)
>only lists Dreamcast, without Naomi/Naomi 2, AtomisWave, etc

>be SEGA
>announce you are remaking the Dreamcast
>system will allow independant studios, and SEGA, to make cheaper but Dreamcast level quality games for cheap ($30 to $40 games)
>new games will work on original Dreamcasts as well as online functions
>all thanks to infinite Persona money
Thank you for reading my fanfiction

>>714655274
OUYA 2

>>714655274
The Dreamcast has a DirectX 6 level GPU and WinCE for DC uses DX6. The Xbox GeForce 3 tier GPU on the other hand uses Direct X8.1, and DX8.1 basically rolled out as a PC update on the same day as the release of the Xbox.

Peter Moore clearly took his Sega of America and Dreamcast experience to lay the foundation for the Xbox. It's notable that the Dreamcast was discontinued in America the same year the Xbox dropped and the Dreamcast's internet support was Windows-based and Developers could choose between a Sega developed Katana development environment or Windows CE. Katana had significantly less overhead and was faster, but Windows CE made porting games from the PC significantly easier

>Microsoft developed a custom Dreamcast version of Windows CE
>Was released right after the Dreamcast was discontinued
>Literally uses the Dreamcast controller layout minus the VMU
>Sega offered backwards compatibility for Dreamcast games
>The Dreamcast was a testbed of sorts for Microsoft, with some of the console's games running on a custom version of Windows CE
>Peter Moore who worked for Microsoft on the Xbo was the president and COO of Sega of America
>The ESPN games, Gunvalkyrie, Headhunter Redemption, The House of the Dead 3, Jet Set Radio Future, NBA games, NCAA games, NFL games, NHL games, Otogi, Outrun, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Phantom Crash, Puyo Pop: Fever, Rent-A-Hero No. 1, Sega GT, Sega Soccer, the Sonic games, Spartan: Total Warrior, Spikeout, Super Monkey Ball: Deluxe, and Toejam & Earl 3 were all released on the Xbox
>Hell, Jet Set Radio Future was even bundled with it
>It went for the same audience of cool, hip, eXtreme jock gamers that the Dreamcast did
>It fully realized the online gaming feature Sega ambitiously set out to popularize despite lacking the resources
>Right at the end of Microsoft's E3 2007 conference, exec Peter Moore revealed a special edition Xbox 360 to be branded with Halo 3.

They've been making PC games all along.

>>714655135
Switch runs on a BSD-based OS on ARM, it's fairly removed from a generic chinkheld system.
Steam Deck isn't a console.

>>714644060
>There was a Genesis 2
There wasn't. There was Genesis II. It's actually better than first one, but Yamaha was different (not better or worse, just different).

>>714648390
Now THIS was TRASH.

>>714655274
Unironically, I think it could work if they marketed the Dreamcast 2 or whatever they'd call it like one of those retro consoles like the PS1 mini or Snes mini. Then sold the games digitally and physically. Don't limit the games to just Sega hardware either, sell emulated versions for PC and other consoles too.

This current business model is working pretty well for Atari and their 2600+

>>714647728
>HURRRR LET COMPARE 6TH GEN Sega CONSOLE TO A 5TH GEN SONY CONSOLE
>AHEAD OF IT'S TIMMMMEEEE111!!
Typical braindead segacuck behaviour, they sure were ahead of their time in conditioning their retarded fanbase.

>>714643231
I was just about to say they could exploit the fact that everyone else has gone full retard with the censorship again and market themselves as an alternative, but SEGA has become pozzed by all the same elements and ideologues, so I doubt they'd even consider it. It would just be the same as the others if not worse.

>>714655437
>Now THIS was TRASH.
What's wrong with it?

>>714655350
What about the Linux based chinkhelds?

>>714655790
>linux

>>714656036
But BSD is so much better.

>>714643373
Poseidon Wars 3D has the best OST of the generation prove me wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwI34QNJxFI

>>714655738
Overheating, sound shit, too light, heavily neutered.

>>714656145
Sure...

>>714642026 (OP)
>re-entering a market that is pretty much dead

Yep, this is definitely a SEGA moment.

>>714642026 (OP)
The leaked sales figures shows that Sega is kept alive by Atlus and Yakuza primarily. They lucked into acquiring them.

>>714643258
>SMT/Persona
>Yakuza
>Monkey Ball
>Sonic
>Hatsune Miku games
Feels like it'd be too Japanese for mainstream appeal, and the 3rd party support would probably also suffer in the beginning. Maybe if Sega partnered with an already proven console name.

>>714649881
None of those companies are anywhere near as good as they used to be.

>>714658862
They already announced a multi year next gen partnership with Microsoft sometime ago. That's primarily why Gamepass is also getting a bunch of Sega games.

>>714658569
>Sega is kept alive by Atlus and Yakuza primarily
BULLSHIT

>>714642026 (OP)
What the FUCK is a Wondermega?

>>714655058
This. The indie scene has shown there is, in fact, still a market for short, quick games with high levels of replayability, especially since so many developers have since moved away from that starting with the 5th gen onwards (except Nintendo, which took until 7th gen for them to do so). Sega can still pull off arcadey stuff, and they have a ton of IPs to work with.
Selling only 100,000 copies at $15 during release month doesn't sound so bad when the game only cost $1,000,000 to make. I think they absolutely could make this approach work. The only problem is the hardware manufacturing costs, which would have definitely been easier 15 years ago.

>>714655058
small games don't sell as well as big games

>>714643003
>But they do like Miku. And Sega has the rights to make Miku games.

>make a cheap handheld that plays all sega games from the master system to dreamcast
how hard is this for sega to do?

>>714659287
They also don't cost nearly as much in terms of time, money, or labor, to make. In a world where the average game price is reaching near triple digits, there's plenty of room for good cheap games that don't have hyperinflated budgets that demand high price points + massive sales to profit.

>>714659486
Small games are not enough to grow a multi-million dollar company. Investors want to see growth, not just profit.

>>714659042
MD/CD all in one. We got the CDX.

>>714647925
>already over a billion dollars at the box office
In total. It took one Mario movie to make a quick billion with a $100 million budget. Same with Stitch.

>>714659287
They don't need to. A million dollar game only needs to sell 1% as many copies as a 100 million dollar game to make back the development cost.

>>714659173
>The only problem is the hardware manufacturing costs, which would have definitely been easier 15 years ago.
Just use last gen phone hardware. The games make the system, and the games they would be making would run just fine of that kind of hardware.

>>714660152
OUYA moment

>>714660197
Times have changed. Chinkhelds sell, Atari's retro consoles sell, the PS1 mini sold. A Dreamcast emulator console would sell.

>>714653490
Based and Truthpilled

>>714643258
sega does have enough IP's to power a new console if they wanted but they're already making unlimited amounts of money and why the fuck would they risk the cost of manufacturing a new console and bankrupting again just fof a chance they might get a bit more money ?

>>714643003
Miku is basically sonic
>blue hair / quills
>wears shoes

>>714660380
The Dreamcast doesn't have enough games to justify a mini console.

>>714663264
That's why you make new games for it, and throw in Genesis and Saturn emulation too. Atari is already doing this and it works.

>>714643258
I've always associated Yakuza and Atlus with Sony, so I don't see what this has to do with Nintendo.
I genuinely think PlayStation users would be the most affected by Sega pulling it's titles.
I don't think it'll happen, but I would be all over a Sega console revival, just to see if they can stir shit up in this stagnant industry.

Sega will make a handheld PC and they'll have a Phantasy Star Universe remake release the same day it drops
(I smoke crack rocks)

>>714642026 (OP)
He let PSO turn into a tranny infested ERP chatroom
why should i trust him?

>>714642026 (OP)
let me guess. Another handheld that can be docked, possibly running some linux variant.

>>714642026 (OP)
the only way that makes sense to me if sega buys xbox brand/backwards combability from microsoft. They are not going to enter the market without already preestablished catalog of games

>>714642868
yeah the questions are made after they read a press release in order to get the people interviewed to regurgitate the press release.

>>714642549
It's this, sadly. Take the doom pill, Sega bros. It's been over for 25 years.

>>714642026 (OP)
>Entering the console market when is dying with Only Nintendo and PC handhelds bringing anything new

>>714655058
>what if
bruh sonic games and atlus slop are still AA tier. Virtua Fighter been like a 10 dollar fighting for decades. Sega is the cheapest company in the world

>>714647728
So ahead of its time that had the same catalogue of videogames as the PS5

>>714642026 (OP)
It will never happen.
The market is ripe for a proper console without bullshit that Microsoft, Sony and to some degree Nintendo are pushing though.

>>714664182
nothing of value was lost

>>714665590
Cool, Daiki Hamazaki is the project director of the new console now

>at the apex of console market collapse (excluding Nintendo unfortunately) Sega jumps back in
That unironically seems like some stupid as fuck Sega move. Fuck I believe it.

>>714642026 (OP)
>that many home consoles and expansions from 1988-1998
No wonder they backed out, what the fuck is all this? What the blazing fuck is a CDX? What's a Wondermega? Why'd they think releasing a version two of the Mega Drive fucking five years later was a good idea? And they're somehow proud of all this shit? No wonder the Dreamcast fucking tanked.

Sincerely, someone that grew up with a Genesis.

>>714647728
>underpowered by the time it came out
>deprecated by the next year

>>714666803
They were more innovative than Nintendo, which was one of their greatest strengths but ultimately led to their downfall.

>>714667203
>innovative
They did the equivalent of if Nintendo made a dedicated Super Gameboy console, or a dedicated Satellaview console.
That's not innovation, it's redundant.

>Xbox dies
>playstation is dying
>soon we will return to Sega Vs. Nintendo.
kino

>>714643258
Nintendo beat Sega. SNES beat Genesis. Deal with it.

>>714642026 (OP)
id be happy to welcome them back, but its a real tough market out here right now. Xbox and Sony Consoles are floundering hard and Nintendo and Valve are changing the stage upon the battleground is taking.They would have to invest or partner up with a pc creator and make their own propriety hardware. What they COULD do though is release a Minidreamcast and it could gauge interest.

Return of the king

>>714642026 (OP)
>8 bit Megaman sprite Ash, Knuckles, and Sonic
wat

>>714667861
Interns n' shit, probably doesn't even know the first thing about sega or video games

I sincerely believe they would be successful if they released a *real* console now.
Everyone is tired of Nintendo's shit, Xbox is total crap with no exclusives. Sony is getting has been. If SEGA gets in there they will quickly dominate with great exclusives, a fresh new look, innovative games and all the beloved SEGA franchises.

They really need to go all in and make it have the cool factor. Bring back the arcade spirit. Make the console available in a transparent plastic model on release.

I know I would 100% buy one and many people have nostalgia for the Dreamcast/Saturn and early 2000s games.

DO EET SEGA

>>714666803
Toxotransmosis moment.

lol

lmao

>>714642026 (OP)
I don't want consoles to exist anymore I'm not a child anon.
SEGA should make their own Linux disto instead

I think they should consider making a SEGA branded Steam deck type machine. Thoughts?

>turn on console
>hear this
https://youtu.be/GpzH0WJ52kc

>>714667203
>Sega
>innovation
In arcades maybe, but not home console. The SegaCD didn't need to exist, not when the Saturn was already happening. Same with the 32X, those games also could've been shoved onto the Saturn like how PS1 had a large library of 2D games. There's nothing innovative about these. And please explain why the Genesis II and Mega Drive II exist. Are they stronger than the original or just the same damn thing but different design? If the latter then why bother at all instead of again, just working on the fucking Saturn.

>>714664969
Sure, sis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dreamcast-only_games

>>714670268
SEGA was legitimately very innovative in terms of hardware design, there's a reason things like SEGA style controllers and trademark floating disc pads are still made to this day, when it comes to certain things they were far ahead of everyone else, they were using analog triggers and custom hall effect sticks decades before they became widespread, they were the first console makers to adopt internet connections, the list goes on.
They were also legitimately retarded and made a lot of absolutely puzzling decisions, for every step forward and innovative hardware decision they took two steps back somewhere else but that doesn't change the fact that they were absolutely pushing tech standards.

If they ever go back to consoles I wish they start using the slogan from sonic adventure 2 "wishes are eternal" for marketing. Shit like "It's thinking" is cryptic and false advertising when only one game, Seaman, actually applied that philosophy. And Saturn marketing was so stupid it's not even worth talking about

>>714670268
Mega Drive 2 is just a next step in the continual process to reduce costs. There is not just a Mega Drive 1, and 2. There a like a dozen different hardware revisions where they continually simplify and consolidate components, Mega Drive 2 was just an outwardly visible hardware revision where they finally downsized the shell.