>few years ago, generative AI and LLMs are first entering the public zeitgeist.
>countless opportunities and excitement arises in terms of video games
>imagine NPC's you can fully interact with, not just using predefined conversation paths
>imagine photorealistic, movie like graphics being generated on the fly where you cannot tell virtual and real life footage apart
>Imagine in-depth stories generated uniquely to you by AI game master like entities.
>fast forward to now
>everyone thinks AI is slop
>usage of AI is seen as cheap and lazy
>""artists"" are going crazy because machines are suddenly becoming just as capable, if not better at creating original content
>usage of LLMs is seen as some cardinal sin in the realm of creativity.
>generative AI companies are slandered from training their content on other works and "stealing" from artists - despite the fact every story, drawing, song is in some way inspired by previous works.

Is it fear of progress? inability to cope with the fact that your skills, once seen as somewhat valuable are not actually that special and can be replicated so easily by machines?
While not an artist I am a software engineer. I am fully aware currently AI code is slop, like how an artist might regard ai generated imagery to be shit. But I also understand it's progressing at an accelerating rate. Will I be out of a job in a few years? Will AI generate better code than I ever could? Maybe. Am I going to blame humanity for this? No because I am not a retard.

LLMs hallucinate random shit and generate images with 8 fingers - but in a not so far future, they won't.

Imagine the possibilities they are withholding from you because they cannot cope with the fact they are not as special as they thought.

The only AI I care about is picrelated.

>>714673471 (OP)
you already made this thread

>>714673471 (OP)
>LLMs hallucinate random shit and generate images with 8 fingers
This is already decidedly not a problem anymore.

To address the larger point: Yes, we're going through a phase of rejection, but there's no doubt AI is here to stay. It's clearly still in the early stages of people finding out what they can do with it, but it's a matter of time before we get the stuff you talked about (apart from the graphics thing because that's just weird, I don't think that's going to be the best use of it but regardless) because it's stuff the current models already have the fundamental capability to do so. Just a matter of leveraging it in the right way to put it into a game form.

I for one, have never wavered and I'm really looking forward to it. I can't wait to get truly emergent narratives and fully fleshed out and unique game worlds and campaigns.

>>714674090
Jeets are paid to shill. Been like that for a while. 4chan is just an advertisement board pretty much

>>714673471 (OP)
>dude just imagine the le possibilities and buy in
I don't believe in anything until I see the execution and all everything so far on the AI end has been nothingburgers, smoke and mirrors designed to create hype instead of anything actually functional

>>714674957
I'm convinced anyone who has only even briefly interacted with modern AI models and says shit like this are in hard cope mode. If you can't see the future it's not even a lack of vision, you are actively trying to deny it and I'm not even entirely sure why. I guess it's mostly just the current zeitgeist on the internet and people just mob onto the popular stance at the moment which is just to hate anything to do with AI? I don't see any other reason, especially coming from corners of the internet such as these which as historically been about weirdos forming artificial bonds with all kinds of non-human stuff...

>>714675306
You're right that I don't work directly with any sort of AI models in my line of work but do you have any sort of examples of AI-generated media that are particularly impressive? Generally my exposure to it is hallucinogenic video clips or uninteresting text adventures. It's not even really at the level of Hollywood slop.

>why are gamers so opposed to technology that will exclusively be used to make videogames worse?
>dont you know in just 2 more weeks it will finally be a magic cure all ambrosia?!

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>>714675483
I don't even think you need a specific example to see it. Take literally any of the random slop shit you have ever seen and that should already trigger the lights up top. Even the sloppiest AI shit already exceeds the rendering capabilities of 99.9% of humans, and they have gotten so much better already in just over a year. The days when AI shit came out looking all fucked up with 6 fingers and shit already seem like so far in the past and it was just like a year and a half ago or something. Even video now is getting extremely close to not being noticeably not real. And all this shit is being generated in minutes by literally one guy. How can anyone not see the writing on the wall of just how big of a force multiplier this shit is?

If people have reservations about the larger direction of society and whatnot I get it, and I also understand people being put off by the examples we've gotten so far for the most part because they've mostly been hack jobs trying to get a quick buck, but as a tool, AI is undeniably an extremely powerful tool that opens up a ton of new possibilities for, in this case, video game design.

AI is the chaos theory proven true, the fuckers who made it never wondered the consequences of their work and we're paying the price of their negligence. Also OP is an idiot, as if that procedural thing was a good idea when it sounds like some Derek Smart bullshit

>>714676243
>we're paying the price of their negligence
what exactly is this price you're talking about?

>>714676091
>Even the sloppiest AI shit already exceeds the rendering capabilities of 99.9% of humans
pwetty kolorz™

>>714673471 (OP)
>imagine NPC's you can fully interact with, not just using predefined conversation paths
Dude, be honest, the only thing you want is to fuck an NPC or maximum - makes fun on it with stupid questions on stream.

>>714676091
>ask for examples
>get no examples
>but the POSSIBILITIES though
You are not beating the snake oil merchant allegations my friend.

>>714676384
>>714676502
Literally first result of image search under "AI generated image".
Speaking from purely a technical rendering perspective, what percentage of humans do you think could produce a picture of similar quality? And of the ones that could, how many could do it in 30 seconds. Forget 30 seconds, how many could do it in 2 days, even?
If you can't see how much time and effort AI can save developers and artists in generating concepts and working models if nothing else you are beyond arguing with.

>>714676771
>guys look at this garbage image I just genned
>no its not ugly as sin just walk a mile away from the monitor and it looks good

>>714676917
Lmao this, the moment you even start paying attention the uglier it gets

>>714676917
Hey man if you insist on missing the point and want to stay coping, by all means.

>>714676091
>>714676091
>Steal the art of the .1% of humans
>"See its better rendering than 99.9% of people"
no shit.
The thing your pea brain can't seem to understand is, there is more to visual human communication than "rendering capabilities". That is why machine learning slop will never have soul, its fundamentally impossible for an algorithm to communicate from a human perspective.
And that plays out in every machine learning art image you see, the soulless-ness emanates from it.
I can see its uses from a corporate and capitalist perspective though, where they don't care about art or quality.

>>714676771
no i'm still confused, why does AI make everything look so oily

>>714676771
There's nothing about a single generated image that would make me "imagine NPCs you can fully interact with, photo realistic movie like graphics being generated on the fly, in-depth stories generated uniquely to you".
It's just an ugly fucking image.

>>714677053
the point retarded nigger is AI will do nothing to provide quality products for customers (me). You retards go on and on about saving time and money and then post fucking garbage. You quite literally can't comprehend that people dont want this shit because it will result in videogames being WORSE.

>>714676771
>If you can't see how much time and effort AI can save developers and artists in generating concepts and working models if nothing else you are beyond arguing with.
I have never heard of a single game that has been delayed because of its art

>>714677194
Shut up you fucking luddite tranny! I'll make my dream game and i will shut up all those tranny devs that called me a chud on X! Fuck you fuck you fuck youfuck you fuck you fuck you!

>>714677073
aww yeah the new backpedal is here

Wait, isn't all AI art technically public domain now? What's stopping someone from taking ai generated assets and using them in other things?

>>714677073
>muh soul
You are literally sub 100 IQ

>>714677112
I know you don't care for an actual answer but you can just as easily find non-glossy (or non "oily" as you call it) pictures.

>>714677170
>brings up visual media
>here are some exaples of AI gen visual media
>yes but how does this give me dynamic narratives in videogames lmao

>>714677194
You're a moron. That's like arguing the advent of digital painting made everything worse, you absolute fucking neanderthal.

>>714677194
>You quite literally can't comprehend that people dont want this shit because it will result in videogames being WORSE
i dont like it either but i see this shit being the future. gaming is already going downhill and people are already satisfied with low quality content

>>714677883
>That's like arguing the advent of digital painting made everything worse
some people did. its pure jealousy/spite.
>i had to make do without that
boomer behavior.

>>714677883
You posted a still 1200x1200 image that by your own admission takes thirty seconds to render. That's extremely at odds with procedurally generated image generation and has nothing whatsoever to do with LLM text tools crafting compelling narratives.

>>714677883
>That's like arguing the advent of digital painting made everything worse
A digital artist has total control over his tools and skills to make something very specific, this is just gambling. Denying art, a very white craft, says everything i need to know.

>>714673471 (OP)
Why is the future stagnating?

>>714674090
It’s a bot and/or Indian. Ai “hype” is entirely astroturfed by them, and co-opted by retarded coomers. Pathetic to say the least

>>714678046
I know that's why I used it as an example because in the art world it's a damn near 1-to-1 repeat. Nowadays there's virtually no one who doesn't use exclusively digital tools because it's orders of magnitude faster to get stuff done. But most of these mouthbreaders wouldn't even know that because these are just dumbasses just saying whatever shit they see whoever popular people they follow repeat.

>>714677883
>You're a moron. That's like arguing the advent of digital painting made everything worse, you absolute fucking neanderthal.
just 2 more weeks bro just 2 more weeks and AI will finally be literal fucking magic that can do anything and you will make everyone look like fools by AI genning your videogame masterpiece right?

>>714678257
The broken english makes this better

>>714677769
No. Only the raw output is not protected.
If someone generates a girl in a bikini and uses photoshop to make a few adjustments then that gets protection. And AI being used in an industry setting is almost always going to be getting some adjustment
>sounds like bullshit hypothetical scenario that wouldn’t actually happe-
It happened
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/invoke-snags-first-ai-image-copyright-2608219

>>714678257
>mouthbreaders
You would think a guy touting the perks of AI would know how to use a fucking spellcheck.
I'm starting to think this whole thread is just bait, I'm going to go do something better with my Sunday

>>714678410
>I'm starting to think this whole thread is just bait, I'm going to go do something better with my Sunday
it is, he's made this thread like a dozen times over the past month lol

>>714673471 (OP)
it’s not progress it’s regression and you’re a fucking dupe

>>714673471 (OP)
The thing you AI faggots never mention is: payment. If devs actually are so retarded to put LLM NPCs into games, you are literally paying per interaction. No, you cant self host that shit, the average gamer potato can barely do 2k games. This is literally what is happening in the industry right now
Microsoft, Salesforce, Adobe, they are all moving away from Licenses. Instead you now get tokens/credits and pay per interaction. Since this is *very* lucrative, expect the same to happen to games. You will fucking look back fondly on game licenses.

>>714678070
Sometimes I wonder if these posts come from retards or people who are just in blindingly denial. Why would you assume that an artist has no control over the final output if they use AI tools? Do you think there's some sort of terms of service that once you generate an AI image you are legally forbidden to edit it or work on it for as long as you want? I seriously don't get it.

>>714678379
>Takes your AI pic
>Uses AI to slightly change it and say the prompt just made it look similar
>Now i can use it in my game
Should have prompted better

>>714678410
It is bait

>>714674736
>>LLMs hallucinate random shit and generate images with 8 fingers
>This is already decidedly not a problem anymore.
Liar
“hallucination” isn’t a glitch it’s built-in to how these retard machines function
it’s just when it produces output that looks correct enough to fool you into thinking it’s right, you’re like “wow”
and when it does the exact same process but the output is retarded gibberish “oh no!”
you’re all fucking morons

>>714678516
Finally, we're returning to the arcades.

>>714674736
>This is already decidedly not a problem anymore.
Why lie? All forms of AI make shit up, so you need to fact check it anyway, and at that point you might as well do the work yourself

You can play good AI generated RPGs and the potential is huge. Whats your actual point OP? Some people dont like AI? That's not stopping it.

>>714678345
>>714678410
ah yes, the old grammar error checkmate. The coper classic.

>>714675306
maybe...
you’re not as smart as you think you are;
and you’re being conned by incredibly stupid shit that everyone else can see right through because it’s retarded as hell?

>>714678557
Can you fix AI art? I'm not talking in general, i'm asking (You) specifically

>>714678630
>it’s just when it produces output that looks correct enough to fool you into thinking it’s right, you’re like “wow”
AIfags are retarded brownoids bro. Theyre so amazed by this tech because the literal deviant art tier garbage it produces is enough to fool them. Meanwhile anyone with a brain looks at it and instantly recognizes its garbage, which confuses the fuck out of the retards shilling it

>>714677053
the point is you’re a fucking dumbass with no soul or standards

>>714678642
Arcade is: you pay a quarter get one life.
Tokens are: You pay 100 bucks for 1.000 tokens. These tokens are used for all interactions, but you don't know how much each interaction is going to cost. You literally do your operation and if you did too much you end up in token debt. It is literally gacha gem obfuscation without even seeing the price tag.

You can not comprehend how dystopian this payment model is and big tech is pushing it so aggressively with that LLM nonsense.

>>714678726
Yes, I'm currently doing exactly that on my current side project.

I dunno if current AI technology is really the future but I'm sure having a lot of fun generating huge anime tiddies and going on erotic text adventures.

>>714678726
chances are i can fix your art too.

>>714678783
I just don't the undertstand the "it's faster bro" angle, do these guys know even the most basic things about game development? Do they think that the guys making the code are the same ones making the 2d art/UI stuff? Do they know that these branches are defined and separated at the beginning of development?

>>714678630
>>714678650
I pretty confident you can't even explain what your posts actually mean.

>>714678827
Fix this one >>714676771

>appeal of AI is that its cheap and quick
>its only cheap because the power cost is offloaded to retarded financial institutions
>its only quick because those same financial institutions also bought up all the GPUs to run them
this shit reeks of a bubble. The second the bill starts coming down to the consumer/company this shit will not be worth the cost

AI is good, it allows me to create as much furry smut as I want, AND I don't have to pay an overpriced artist a dime.

>>714678946
You know what, let me put the question then back to you. If time isn't really an issue for the art departments, then how come literally nobody is working with traditional tools in favor of digital?

>>714673471 (OP)
the core idea is just stupid
>lets just make a robot that replaces a bunch of people's jobs
for what? so we can create more jobless people?
it's not even a machine that replaces dangerous jobs or super important jobs that need more manpower to save lives
its a piece of shit technology that shouldnt exist

>>714678981
I pretty confident you're a retarded nigger.

>>714678981
>I don’t understand the magic idiot box so surely no-one else does either!

>>714679006
How much are you willing to pay me for it?

>>714679197
I don't believe you could explain that either, but that wasn't even what I was referring to.

>>714679229
A janny's salary, c'mon bro it's so easy, you said it yourself, don't tell me you're like one of those uppity patreon trannies

>>714679306

>>714679153
Nta, but wouldn't that be because everyone is used to digital tools?

>>714679306
Aren't you the one defending the patreon trannies itt?

>>714673471 (OP)
>generative AI companies are slandered from training their content on other works and "stealing" from artists - despite the fact every story, drawing, song is in some way inspired by previous works.
false equivalency by techbro retards who read hackernews

>>714673471 (OP)
>imagine NPC's you can fully interact with, not just using predefined conversation paths
>imagine photorealistic, movie like graphics being generated on the fly where you cannot tell virtual and real life footage apart
>Imagine in-depth stories generated uniquely to you by AI game master like entities.
Yeah, imagine all that because current batch can't deliver than no matter how much of AI coolaid you're slurping through all of your orifices.
And if you read deeper you know that current approach to AI already hit hard to cross limits.
>>714674736
>This is already decidedly not a problem anymore.
Why would you lie like that when news are full of shit like ''lawyers fined by judge because ChatGPT made up cases''.
You can even find talk straight from the horses' mouths that hallucinations aren't a bug to be squished but an inherent trait of the current batch of AIs.
No amount of guardrails or result tweaking will fix that.
Your unfounded faith in AI is irrelevant.

>>714679290

>>714679410
This is literally the first time i even mentioned patreon, also, stop dodging the question

Stellar blade schizo to the resque

>>714679430

>>714679405
Just think about that for a minute. Why would that be the case if art schools have been teaching with traditional tools for centuries and many (I've been out of it for over a decade but I think most) still largely do?

>>714679463

>>714679462
what question?

>>714679567
Idk, industry standards, the same way they say shit like Maya is, even when programs like Blender do 90% of the same shit

Is OP a gullible zoomer or a shill?

>>714679443
I'm only talking about the "8 fingers" shit. That's just really not a problem anymore. I generate images all the time and while there are still errors with some amount of frequency, hands are mostly devoid of the slop they used to be afflicted by. I suppose if you try to push models to generate complicated hand positions you might get some fucked up shit, I honestly wouldn't know because I don't really ask for shit like that, but the general hands issue AI images had with hands is pretty much gone.

bump

>>714679463
>>714679515
beautiful couple, so happy together

>>714676091
>Even the sloppiest AI shit already exceeds the rendering capabilities of 99.9% of humans
And I would still rather look at MS paint scribbles from drawthreads.
>And all this shit is being generated in minutes by literally one guy
If it takes a single guy minutes to generate something half "decent", how much do you think it takes mouth breathers to generate slop that is flooding the internet at this very moment? This quantity talk is most likely about the people who never gave a shit about things they are creating, they are just looking for a quick buck.
>but as a tool, AI is undeniably an extremely powerful tool that opens up a ton of new possibilities for, in this case, video game design
Those already good enough for the job never needed it to begin with. AI is for those who can't be asked to learn about the field they want to make money off of. Competent map creator learned what works and what doesn't from playing games and year of experience where he made some blunders and learned what works and what doesn't and MOST IMPORTANTLY, understands why it works or doesn't work.
So AI will be used for making asset flips without the bare minimum effort and time needed to make an asset flip and corporate boards to cut on "unimportant" parts of development.

I'm not investing in your company, retardo.

AI will replace everyone, except the main character

>>714679740
1. you can digitize your work and put in proper formats for media after you complete it (there are still some artists (mostly old school or really high end guys) that do this.

2. Even for artists not directly tied to collaborative media that just work as freelancers for all kinds of stuff the overwhelming majority use digital either exclusively or for most work they do.

Unless you mean that it's because of "industry standards" in the sense that the market now expects a level of expediency that digital can provide so artists may feel pressure to adopt to keep up with expectations then maybe there's some truth to that, but there's nothing stopping anyone from using traditional if they really want to.

>>714679146
THIS, sometimes AI can be a blessing

>>714678867
Same. I just use it for coomer text adventures. I really don’t see any good use for AI in terms of other digital entertainment and practical uses. But, corpos do which means my fellow cattle- I mean fellow human bean will soon understand the importance of AI

>>714673471 (OP)
>>fast forward to now
>>everyone thinks AI is slop
>>usage of AI is seen as cheap and lazy
I wonder why that happened? Maybe it's because in those intervening years, all the flowery fantasies you just described have not come anywhere close to seeming possible.
>imagine NPC's you can fully interact with, not just using predefined conversation paths
LLMs definitionally cannot do this shit. They don't so much "forget" reality as they lack a concept of reality in the first place, there is no component of them that simulates a reality, that is not what they're built to do. There will be nothing resembling intelligence in this technology until someone goes completely back to the drawing board, which won't happen for a long while because too much money has been burned on this dead end.
It should be a quaint tool for autocompleting lines of code and looking up foreign language idioms, that is the maximum extent of its contribution to human worth.

"Bro just give it a few more years bro" is not an argument. People hate AI slop because THEY HAVE EYES. They can see it being used as a pathetic cost-cutting measure to drown the world in even more hideous advertisements, quite literally taking all the sense and taste out of design and authorship in favour of uncanny, schizophrenic fakeness.
They can see the dumbest mouthbreathers in their vicinity drive themselves to suicide talking to chatbots that just randomly riff on whatever was said last, convincing themselves there's a person in there then hitting new depths of mental illness when the illusion predictably implodes.
They can feel their eyes glaze over every time they start reading something online and spot the obvious tell that it was generated in 5 seconds with an algorithm instead of having any actual effort put into it.
They can watch the world being made worse and worse and worse by every messianic manchild involved in this bubble of an industry, and decide that this is not a positive trajectory.

>>714680576
its just NFTs all over again. Anyone with a brain avoids it, anyone wanting a quick buck shills it, and anyone retarded eats it up

>>714680115
If you refuse to use anything that has made it easier for dumb people to do dumb shit then you should probably log off and kill yourself. With your bare hands of course because even ropes have done the same.

I was addicted to AI Dungeon back when we all sat here and posted screen caps nonstop and now that AI is actually really usable at making a decent story on rails I spend more time gooning or playing epic isekai adventures with bots on Chub AI than any videogames.

I am eagerly awaiting the day we get the context and proper framework for an AI that can actually run a proper RPG and keep numbers and stats in line for a long-running "game".

>>714679290
>>714678981
LLMs and generative image models are both transformers, they function by taking a large amount of input data, breaking it down into tiny pieces, and then recompiling those pieces into output that statistically resembles the target input.
There’s not something wrong when they hallucinate, they’re functioning exactly as designed.
And they are not getting better, from last month:
> Recently, though, that trend seems to have reversed. Media coverage and industry benchmarks both confirm that recent models, including the flagship models from OpenAI (GPT-o3) and China’s DeepSeek (DeepSeek-R1) are prone to much more hallucination than their predecessors

>>714681646
Yes. I too can read a short definition on wikipedia (or ask GPT for one lol). But what does that actually mean? How does the model actually work? Surely you can explain that to me?

>>714673471 (OP)
>everyone thinks AI is slop
>usage of AI is seen as cheap and lazy
in reality, everyone is starting to find uses for it and theres less outrage online than theres ever been.

You can describe a dish to the finest detail, but unless you're the one working in the kitchen, you didn't make a damn thing. Nobody is impressed or inspired by AI shit except for indians and gullible facebook seniors, which is why no one likes it. Turns out, the human mind and skill behind something is what gives it value in anything creative or original. We've finally solved the question of what makes art, art, so at least AI can be thanked for that.

>>714681864
>Turns out, the human mind and skill behind something is what gives it value in anything creative or original.
That could not possibly be more incorrect.