The eternal debate

>>714703831 (OP)
more like the gay code

>>714703831 (OP)
>there must be balance!!!
>but good should be at the top and evil can NEVER flourish
what a bunch of homos

>>714703831 (OP)
is there sith but I can just do whatever I want, not stuck in an authoritarian shithole?

>>714703831 (OP)
The sith code reads much better than the other two, star wars is gay though. i much prefer star gate sg-1

>>714703831 (OP)
Mom! Anon is posting his grey code fanwank again!

>>714703831 (OP)
I can't believe adult men post cringe images like this.

>>714703831 (OP)
>grey code
muh speshul snowflake shit

What is Star Wars?

Answer me this, fagtrons, then we can talk about sides and shit.

>>714706001
A fantasy masquerading as sci fi.

>>714703965
fpbp

>>714705702
The "grey code" is complete fan creation and considered by most EU fans to be cringy as shit.

It's understood widely that "Grey Jedi" refers to Jedi who left the Order or else have a problem with the rules and regulations implemented by it.

Qui Gon Jin is was considered a "Grey Jedi" by his peers, to give an example.

>>714703831 (OP)
in real life I'd probably be some Jolee Bindo kind of light side, but I love playing dark side in Kotor specifically because most other games with evil options just make you a bit of an ass instead of the saturday morning cartoon villain of a dark side Revan/Exile

The Human Male Code
- Use the force to fuck aliens
- Especially Twi'leks

>>714706189
Its science fantasy.

>>714707169
Yeah I don't have any problem with that definition. Qui Gon being grey makes sense, even Obi Wan says he'd be on the council if it wasn't for his disagreements.

>>714706001
some boomer series that lost its relevance 30 years ago

>>714707453
Twi'lek women are the only good thing to come out of Star Wars

>>714703831 (OP)
>being a gay jedi
Couldn't be me.

>>714704326
unless you are the strongest the next guy up will always make you his bitch
and there's always a bigger fish

>gay code
>muh I wanna be le good guy but wanna use sith powers too!!

>>714704326
Eventually the Sith find you. Bane and his successors didn't just subvert the Jedi and Republic, they hunted down potential threats or pretenders in the dark side, even if they were against the Jedi. With the Rule of Two an apprentice or his master or both are sent to hunt you down. If its just the apprentice you'll probably die. If you kill them the master will recruit you and 100% of the time you will join out of fear and respect for his own power. Congrats, you're now a Sith. You either die trying to defeat him or you become the Master in time, train an apprentice and the cycle repeats itself.

>>714703831 (OP)
The sith code is for salty incels, the Jedi code is for autistic wizards, so the choice should be obvious

>>714703831 (OP)
Greys are just sith in denial, corrupting The Force will always corrupt you, no matter how good your intentions.

>>714703831 (OP)
>Grey Code
Bringing greys up in any capacity proves you’re not ready for a discussion about the Force or the different Orders as you’re too immature.
I’m a Jedi by the way.

>>714708135
Don't forget Togruta

>>714703965
/thread

>>714703831 (OP)
The Sneed Code is the best

>>714703831 (OP)
Both the Jedi and the Sith are frauds so Grey I guess? Appealing to some semblance of balance is retarded. Good should win, and Good is more than being emotionless and measured.
>but the force will balance itself out eventually
If you can do good you should do good. If that's thrashing against your midichlorian count than so be it

>>714703831 (OP)
the jeeternal debate

Is pre Jedi Academy Katarn grey? NGL Jedi Outcast makes 0 fucking sense.
>Jan is (allegedly) killed
>go to get your lightsaber to beat the FUCK out of some lizard sith
>Luke Skywalker, master of the force: hey uh, good luck on your revenge murder quest Kyle, don't forget to ice every stormtrooper and blue bartender you see indescriminately

>>714703965
Fpbp

>>714703831 (OP)
Fuck off with that Grey Jedi nonsense
>nuh-uh I totally get to do all the cool dark side stuff like Force Lightning and killing people while still being a good guy because... I just can, okay?!
Is there such thing as a "grey" vegetarian or a "grey" drug addict? No? Then there's no such thing as a Grey Jedi.

>>714703831 (OP)
These are all retarded. Grey Order is closest to the answer, but it misses the true problem with both the light and dark sides. That any dogmatic extreme without humanity is inherantly flawed. The Jedi's insistance on that robotic mentality also lends their members to fall when they inevitably feel normal human emotions.

>>714703831 (OP)
More like the eternal cope. There is no grey code.

>>714710904
I literally thought she was just a Twi'lek until now lol

>>714716421
This. The Jedi don't even have an infallible standard, waoooow you can quote meaningless platitudes about Balance and the force, real cool, how is me going evil a bad thing besides it hurting your feefees and subjective moral shoulds?

>>714704435
It has a legit pattern and a consistent philosophy to it, the other two are just pretentious gibberish.

>>714703831 (OP)
Sith because they look cool

>>714703831 (OP)
>There is no dark or light
Do they actually believe that? I thought the Grey position was that they acknowledged the light and dark and didn't see either as inherently evil or good.

>>714716130
>You have to lie down Steve, I totally killed you
lmao

Are there even "grey force users" in the games? Not that I've played them all but I can't remember any. Was the old dude in kotor one?

>>714717391
Yeah the black guy was grey. Midwits try to say that Kreia was totally not a sith and was grey which is a retardation.

>>714709827
Which is utterly retarded.
>I want to be powerful
>AH HA well join my TWO GUY MURDER MARRIAGE
>fuck off faggot

>>714703831 (OP)
Sith, but doing good.

>>714717391
>>714717641
Jolee Bindo is really weird because the game lists him as "neutral" on the alignment scale but he's very obviously a good guy and never does anything evil. The most "neutral" thing about him is that he wants to keep to himself and mind his own business. Otherwise, he's a very noble, good, kind person that just so happens to think the Jedi Order is full of shit. Jolee and Qui-Gon are examples of how a Grey Jedi really just has to be a Jedi that thinks the order's rules are bullshit. If they're ACTUALLY neutral then they're just a deranged dumbass.

If the Force is a natural phenomenon, I can absolutely believe that some unaligned individual some untold thousands of years ago figured out how to train their abilities without being picked up by a Jedi or Sith, and from there started a "neutral force-user" discipline that might still be quietly chugging away somewhere. But I absolutely don't believe they'd be "grey" force users able to use powerful techniques from both sides, if anything their abilities would be much more limited since the majority of Force knowledge lies in the hands of other parties that would either try to convert or destroy the neutral group.
It'd be a neat enough character idea to have a smuggler or other such "grey" character with informal force abilities, a bit of extra intuition and acrobatics for the most part, and no interest in honing them beyond that because it'd tie them to a "cause" that they're not interested in.

>>714718063
Force knowledge is literally just willpower magic. Just clench hard and explode your opponent's urethra.

>>714706001
Star Wars is a space faring setting where Taoism is real and grants you powers of cultivation, but the concept of the Tao is an actual sentient force over all reality that WILL ensure a "balance" is maintained no matter how many innocent people have to suffer for it because it quite literally does not care about morality, only "balance".

>>714718063
Yeah, Matukai practitioners and Baran Do sages exist and use the force without perverting it, while the Sith (race) and the witches of Dathomir used naturally corruptive techniques, which would commonly be considered dark side.

>>714703831 (OP)
i prefer the "old" jedi code for the "grey" code as it promote acceptance of the existence of bad things while advertising a better path.

"emotion, yet peace
ignorance, yet knowledge
passion, yet serenity
chaos, yet harmony
death, yet the force"

>>714703831 (OP)
I prefer the Imperial knights from EU.
>Using light side without subscribing to jedi code
>Loyally following their emperor, making sure he rules the empire using the light side of the force
>If the emperor starts doing dark side shit, the imperial knights are to go full praetorian guard on their emperor and safeguard the succession of someone who isn't retarded

>>714703831 (OP)
As soon as I would get any power I would turn into evil motherfucker.
I just know it.

>DUDE WE SHOULD LET THE EVIL GENOCIDERS LIVE BECAUSE... I'M LE CENTRIST!

>>714718742
Why?
>I HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING
>YOU THERE, MAY ME EXORBITANT SUMS FOR MY LITERAL MAGIC POWERS AS THEY ARE USEFUL ALWAYS

>>714717060
Who is this? Starkiller?

>>714703831 (OP)
The sith code is the most consistent with what they're about. The jedi are ignorant of sith teachings, aside from some lore shit like where Yoda tells Luke to perform some sith ritual to create his green lightsaber. Or that qui-gon cared about a slave boy and the duel of fates was for his life. Obi-wan respected his master's perspective and remained vigilant as well with what's right, while the circlejerk temple never knew how to detect or deal with the sith for a thousand years... I think. The real balance is allowing both to exist, because really, a long time ago in a galaxy far far away there is only war.

The beginning of battlefront 2 campaign was interesting playing as empire, despite playing a mutt, until that mutt was like "lol I'm a rebel now" in the 3rd or 4th mission. Everything is so one-sided with star wars, and that side is fucking retarded. At least we were given the force unleashed with a super saiyan jedi that kills everyone famous lmao. That actor deserves his own star wars series since he's probably the biggest fan boy with a good grip on the characters in the universe.

>>714720167
>yes

>>714703965
you.

>>714719596
>Why?
Because ego is a bitch.

>>714720167
that's Starkiller in the post-game spinoff chapters where he gets rebuilt by the Emperor to be his personal assassin

>>714703831 (OP)
Jedi believe that there is objective morality. Sith believe in subjective morality. Gray Jedi is a wank-fest thinking you can have the best of both without thinking about the philosophical ramifications. That's it.

>>714720831
I don't think I will ever reach the point where I NEED to be the ruler of everything when I can just have a comfortable life instead.

>>714703831 (OP)
Grey Jedis would be a lot less cringe if they were still purely light side force users who just happen to disagree with the Jedi code. Once you add the fact that they can also heckin use the dark side without turning evil it becomes mary sue oc donut steel shit.

>>714717282
What kind of rapper name is Steve?

>>714720881
Truth. Best experience for a """""Gray"""""fag is unironically playing SWTOR as a moderate Sith who subscribes to some kind of code of conduct.
You can be evil without being a moustache twirling douchebag and wasting imperial resources left, right and center. Often leaning light-sided makes the dark side moments much more impactful tbfh. Discipline but spare your officers, make an example of the enemy, never waste a potential asset which could make your own position stronger.

>we must emotionally castrate all jedi and stop them forming any relationships, its the way to stop them growing up weird and becoming deranged evil wizards
i don't think they thought this shit out

>>714721217
Isn't the point that the dark side corrupts your judgment and basically turns you into an angry manchild?

>>714721280
The system works as long as you indoctrinate them from the time they are old enough to think.

>>714721437
The fucking LITERAL ACTUAL CORRUPTION because you're using magic good is always retarded.

I'd probably be a sith, they seem pretty chill

>>714721437
I imagine that's how George always imagined it, but George often didn't have a very nuanced look on his own universe. Which isn't necessarily bad, I think, but it does leave people craving something more.

>>714721280
Lucas just copied shit from Catholicism.
It was implemented to keep all the wealth for the church.

Jedi. They got some hot bitches down at the academy.

>>714721280
yeah turns out that actually works better than not doing it.

>>714721437
not so much, the dark side is fueled by passions and instinct and the light shit by peace and rationality. the sith aren't inherently dark side though as a faction and using opposite-faction light/dark classes is a thing officially.

Literally everything they explain and expand on makes the setting worse. I hate it here. The Jedi are fucking ridiculous and the Sith are even worse.

>>714721280
>>714721618
It prevents aristocracies from forming inside the order and also falling in love makes you vulnerable to the Dark Side of the Force, because you'll fear losing your loved one.

>>714718442
The worst part is that Balance is the Light Side with minor elements of the Dark Side but by its nature the Dark Side will always try and cause shit.

>>714716625
Close enough but i think the toruga can't actually breed with human men, twileks can.
Imagine being a male of the genetically engineered species who's females can be bred by many other species and you can't fight back.
A tremendous rakatan joke
Verification absolutely not fucking required

>>714721615
I guess that's why people came up with the whole gay jedi thing. Sith just are just comically evil most of the time

>>714703965
OP BTFO

>>714721437
Yeah, pretty much. People seethe that they can't do evil and stay good but that's what happens when you go out of your way to twist the force for your own goals.

The Force dichotomy is not about morality, it's about power.

>>714703965
fuck I came in here to say this and some BASED first poster beat everyone to it

>>714721582
It ain't retarded, it makes for cool villains

>>714704094
The (relatively) recent idea of the Jedi enforcing a "Light Side" I always thought was retarded since the entire fucking point was that the Force should always be in balance, and the Dark Side was a blemish on that balance. Strictly speaking a "Light Side" is just as imbalancing and should be stamped out just as hard.

>>714721935
The force is space willpower, the only difference between "Ooh, I force push your gun away" and "I force explode your prostate" is application.

>>714721280
They definitely didn't and it was a product of bullshit going on the "jedai" home planet that absolutely no side, jedi or sith can visit because they were so high on their own light vs dark side that the planet itself reacted by making force storms and shit. Before the split there was just the force and force sensitive fags could do whatever because there was only the force, no sides, no goor or evil, just the force.
And actually there are also some religious groups in legends that were not affiliated to the light or dark side and shit on both for being tremendous self centered niggers.

>>714721861
Pretty much. It's like replaying KOTOR and having to pick between
>A: Literal jesus descended from the heavens come to pet your kittens and offer alms to all those indebted to crooks
or >B: some faggot cunt who cums furiously at the thought of screaming infantile insults before committing senseless murder for 50 credits.
Then you meet Jolee and he's chill as fuck, thinks both sides are retarded as shit and you should just do what comes naturally, but responsibly. So people make a whole thing of it as if it needs labeling.

Reminder: the Force is the Light Side. The Dark Side involves forcibly twisting the Force to do what you want.

>>714722012
It's cooler when then have a rational reason for doing X or Y and not because their blood has been turned into demons because they dared use the FORBIDDEN SPELL.

>>714721941
>t. dark side

>>714722053
But the force itself doesn't want you to use it to explode prostates and the feedback of you forcing it to do that rots you mentally.

>>714722104
>force is minding its own business being one with everything
>some twat in a bathrobe makes you fling a rock at someone who just left space hot topic

>>714722053
Nope, the force has a will and a goal. If you twist it to do something against its goals you're literally making reality worse.

>>714722104
Yeah, the force WANTS to push that guy off a cliff, but it doesn't want to push that guy's LARYNX.

>>714722104
>the Force is the Light Side
Nah. The force in its natural state is balanced between both light and dark and the force intervenes and self-corrects if one side is losing too hard.

>>714722242
The Force does have wants and goals. Qui-Gon felt it did, and he was the first Jedi allowed into space heaven so his views of the Force are obviously correct.

>>714722206
But I literally just used force push to make a boulder pancake a guy. Why does it like killing people through kinetic violence and not prostate explosions?

>>714721513
Lol lmao, no
The jedi counsil literally had a special force dedicated to hunt the numerous padawans that turned into shit and they even had a "mental institution" (actually a prison) to put every "failed" jedi that dare to question shit to be "reformed" (or die trying to be "reformed").
It was bullshit

>>714722173
>use the forbidden spell
Like shooting lightning at one's fingertips to kill people instead of using it as a means to power batteries? If you're looking for rationality, go look for other words. Star Wars operates on rule of cool.

>>714722242
Yes, now you're understanding the force. Everyone instinctively gets this because the Force is everything, only clouded when something twists it, like Palpy's shroud.

>>714722206
>>714722104
every example is the darkside cope that destroys your mind.
>it wasn't actually evil because...
while a good guy could maybe get away with a
>my bad

>>714722291
Mortis gods are retarded and I shall not be recognizing them further.

>>714722363
So you're saying that at any moment any jedi could be doing all the cool dark side spells but only once the force gives them the thumbs up?

>>714722332
other works*

>>714722424
yeah, but if they do it on their own they get hit with the bad juju.

>>714722305
Qui-gon literally went into a random planet to kill a single animal because the force him to do it.

>>714722321
The Jedi are not arbiters of the Light Side. That's why the Force arranged for Anakin Skywalker to blow them the fuck out.

>>714703831 (OP)
While neutralfags are often the biggest faggots around the star wars ones somehow manage to excel in their faggotry

>>714722424
Apparently the jedi could and can do the same tricks the sith could like lighting snd shit but they had to use other "ways" to get the same result. Basically they have to mental gymnast their way into it

Jedi = white knight
Sith = black knight
End of subject.

>>714722019
>The (relatively) recent idea of the Jedi enforcing a "Light Side" I always thought was retarded since the entire fucking point was that the Force should always be in balance, and the Dark Side was a blemish on that balance
Lucas has always said that the dark side is corruption and that getting rid of that was balance. Not my rules, just stating what Lucas said.

"The Jedi are the ones that keep balance in the Force. The Sith are the ones that unbalance it."
— George Lucas, "The Mythology of Star Wars," interview with Bill Moyers (1999)

>>714722104
>force dindu nuffin apologist
The force is inherently evil and not necessary for life as can be seen by the exile and the Yuuzhan Vong

>>714721280
The point is that the Jedi were fucked up. Their system was noble but flawed and ripe for exploitation by the Sith. That's why Luke rejected Obi Wan and Yoda and did his own thing to save the day. That's the point of the prequels. They were noble and heroic, but too blinded by their own flaws.

>>714722629
Isn't Yuuzhan Vong society revealed to be based entirely on being like
>oh fuck we lost the Force everything sucks fuuuuck we need to get that shit back

>>714722629
okay kreia you insane bitch. Just remove sapience from the galaxy while you're at it.

Why are people obsessed in trying to divorce the Jedi from the Light Side when it's always been the case that they are the good guys?

>>714722513
True
>YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE
>1000 jedi
>2 sith
yea...

>>714722291
No.

"Anakin is the Chosen One. He brings balance to the Force by destroying the Sith—Sidious and himself."
— George Lucas, from the Revenge of the Sith DVD commentary (2005)

And Luke at the end of Return of the Jedi almost killing Vader for the sake of his friends was to showcase that having evil in you doesn't make you "dark side". Dark side is a corruption. That's why Star Wars is closer to Christianity than it is to Buddhism based on the fact that the hero to redeem Vader and bring down the Emperor recognized his own evil in him, but didn't let it take over him.

>>714722705
Forgot my picture

>>714722746
Because they want to be le epic sith but don't want to actually be baby eaters.

>>714722746
the main character jedi are good guys and the side fags are semi-bad guys.

>>714722746
If the Force didn't want the Jedi to be tested by the Chosen One, it would have dropped him on Coruscant rather than in a situation where he wouldn't come into the Order until he was too old for their rules.

>>714722312
Because the Prostate Explosion is not in The Force's natural nature to do while moving objects is.
Is it kinda arbitrary, yeah.
But the role of groups like the Jedi (when they haven't devolved via passivity and decadence) is to make sure that sapient ambition doesn't fuck over the galaxy and to do that some violence is needed to correct things. But not a prostate explosion or the like.
If you ever played a SMT game The Force is basically a naturalist flavored Lawtist.

Star Wars fans were manchildren 15 years ago

Ruusan Reformation was the worst thing to happen to the Jedi.
Return to the age of the Jedi Lords involved with their planets

>>714722743
Sapiens alone can do so much but in a galaxy, the force has been the root cause and the tool for so many shit and destruction that not having it at all would have been way better for all those who got forced fucked at some point.
>Rakata
>Sith empire
>The republic bullshit
>The niggers from outside the galaxy
>That comic horror monster bitch trapped inside that ring of blackholes

>>714722937
Anon, it's been 40 years...

>>714703831 (OP)
Grey Code is the best code, don't associate with either Jedi or Sith because both are fuckups. Go to the periphery of the galaxy, fuck blue alien whores, tell the Force to eat shit.

>>714722780
Anakin brought balance to the force by first purging most jedi and then killing Palpatine. He betrayed the jedi BECAUSE he was the chosen one. The force wanted it to happen because the jedi had it too good. The force also wanted the jedi to grow useless, arrogant, decadent and blinded by idealism and doctrines during the least years of the republic. No side of the force will ever be able to completely wipe out the other side.

>>714723124
>le enlightened hedonist

>>714703831 (OP)
Grey Code is for pseuds that didn't understand what the light and dark side actually are meant to represent.

>>714723146
>Anakin brought balance to the force by first purging most jedi and then killing Palpatine.
The Jedi had numbered in the thousands for over a millennia. The Sith numbered in two. That's not number balance.

KOTOR2 and The Last Jedi both got this wrong.

>>714723257
Yes, you lot can swing your dicks at each other's lightsabers and electrostimulation magic to satisfy your retarded egos, narcissism, and arrogance.
I'mma be busy fucking alien whores and disconnecting from the Force, like a normal fucking rational being.
It's not even that I'm enlightened, it's that 20 000 years of history proving how fucking retarded both the Jedi and Sith are is something YOU have to be mentally ill and retarded to not be able to learn from.

>>714723146
>The force also wanted the jedi to grow useless, arrogant, decadent and blinded by idealism and doctrines during the least years of the republic
Where was this been said?
The Jedi failed because they were fallible morals placed in a position where they thought their enemies were gone.

Star Wars is aggressively gay. I'm glad I was never a fan of this gay fucking shit.

>>714723146
>Anakin brought balance to the force by first purging most jedi and then killing Palpatine.
Lucas literally said getting rid of the Sith is balance.

>>714723529
>doesn't like cool ships and laser swords
nah man, you're gay

>>714718742
I have the exact opposite problem where I would look as evil as possible, but would use my powers to simply not work and just mess with kids in a harmless manner.

>>714722019
Light Side is balance anon, that was always the point. The Dark Side philosophy seeks to dominate and enforce one's own will over the Force, it's an unnatural application of a natural force. The Light Side is (and always has been) living in a way which is harmonious with the Force.
It's weird how retards like you can look at fantasy and recognize "oh dark magic is like a perversion of regular magic, got it" and accept that but then Star Wars literally does the same thing and you just lose all fucking common sense.

Jedi are emotionally stunted and retarded
Sith are whiny seethers and also retarded
Grey are somehow worse than either
I'll pass on force powers thanks, sign me up for a generic trooper

>>714723734
I mean you can just join any of the sane force sects.

>>714723734
>Jedi are emotionally stunted and retarded
They're made to be wrong in the prequels (and in the OT with Obi-Wan and Yoda thinking killing Vader is the only way). Luke in the OG expanded universe is the better way for the Jedi to go as it allows mistakes but also growth for the organization.

>>714723574
well you can't take anything he says seriously because he's a real retard.

>>714722705
Luke literally almost fucked everything up and only succeeded thanks to his father having a change of heart.

>>714723574
And then he changed his mind.

>>714723592
You gargle the niggers cum before you swallow it

>>714723862
>MUH HEAD CANON

>>714723875
No, he didn't. When did he say that?

>>714723939
can't take anything most other people say seriously either but especially not georgie.

>>714723851
>Luke in the OG
Still lead to a bunch of fuckups and a continued cycle of retardation.
There is a point in time when it's time to stop delving into retarded magic and the gayforce.
For once, for the first fucking time, Warhammer 40k lore is actually more intelligent than Soi Wars.
Psykers and the Warp need to be cut off and removed from existence, and so does the Force and Force users. Entirely, in every fucking aspect. The Galaxy is always better off and thrives when both Jedi and Sith are almost completely decimated.

>>714723862
The guy who CREATED the universe is wrong because of your fan-fiction?

>>714703965
fippy bippy

>>714723982
Based on stuff that he allowed to be canon later on.

>>714723862
“Which means, in the end, you’re going to have to get rid of the Sith. The Force itself is split into two sides. The living Force and the cosmic Force. They’re two sides of the Force. The dark side corrupts the Force and causes the imbalance. So if you want to have balance, you have to get rid of the dark side.” - George Lucas, "The Making of Revenge of the Sith", J.W. Rinzler (2005)

>>714724016
>Psykers and the Warp need to be cut off and removed from existence, and so does the Force and Force users.
You do that for 40K, and humanity goes extinct from outside forces. You can't for Star Wars (despite the idiocy of Kreia) because it's literally a part of existence itself. It's like "I don't like entropy or gravity, LET'S GET RID OF IT!"

>>714724016
If all the Jedi and all the Sith were dead, the Force would still be enacting its will on the galaxy to get the nebulous results that it desires. You can't escape the underpinning energy of reality, aka God.

>>714724016
Hi kreia

>>714724145
“The books are in a different universe. I’ve not read any of those books. I told them [Lucas Licensing] when they started writing books, I said, ‘These stories are not part of the Star Wars saga.’” - George Lucas, Cinescape Magazine, Issue #62, 2002

>what if le empire but both light and dark at the same time (except not really and it's actually just lead by a sith lord doing generic sith shit with a bit of light side shit coating)

>>714723868
Luke literally was the cause of Vader's change of heart, wtf are you even babbling about?

How grey jedi are:
>"We calmly and logical approach conflicts, weighing the human element without letting ourselves lose control."

How grey jedi SHOULD be:
"Today I'll flip a coin. If heads, I'll be good. If tails, I'll be evil. Okay, here we go."

>>714724229
It's nice that it's a part of existence, so is Humanity's, and indeed other sentient life's, ability to enact inquisitions.
The Force can be driven into a nice corner and can eat shit, because it's fucking gay.
The only time the galaxy ever had a tolerable stable period is when jedi and sith were either wiped out or recovering, NEVER when they had any tangible presence or influence.
The Force is a cancer, and everyone should strive to treat it like one.
It's part of existence, yet it's still something that can be combated instead of succumbing to it just because it exists. Which is why all force users must be treated like a plague and eradicated wherever they pop up.

>>714724469
>Harvey Dent if he could use the Force
kek

>>714724016
>The Galaxy is always better off and thrives when both Jedi and Sith are almost completely decimated.
That literally happened with the end of Revenge of the Sith, the Senate applauded genocide, most of the Jedi and Sith were dead, and the galaxy was worse of for it with the original trilogy.

>>714724495
The Force doesn't need force sensitive people to dunk on you. It could drop a lightning bolt on your head or clot some blood in your brain if necessary to get the results it wants.

>>714724495
I think autists should be wiped out like the plague and smothered in their cribs. Then nobody would be forced to read inane and retarded shit like this.

>>714724623
Except that isn't the case, the Sith thrived as tools at the end of Revenge of the Sith and were still everpresent.
When someone says both, it applies to both.

>>714724495
>The Force can be driven into a nice corner and can eat shit, because it's fucking gay.
Stop projecting
>Which is why all force users must be treated like a plague and eradicated wherever they pop up.
No. When they're in balance in society, the Jedi are the peacekeepers. I mean, the entire prequel trilogy is about that and a dark side user destroying that status quo for his own ends.

>>714724785
>Except that isn't the case, the Sith thrived as tools at the end of Revenge of the Sith and were still everpresent.
"Everpresent"? It's the rule of two. And the Sith used the secular society of the Republic to kill the Jedi. This isn't the slam dunk you think it is.

>>714724717
You mean Soi Wars fans? I agree. They should indeed be wiped out.

>>714724792
>No. When they're in balance in society, the Jedi are the peacekeepers.
The pisskeepers failed and Galaxy had peace before the first jedi order was ever formed. They are a meme just like the Sith. A dogshit concept by a hack for a dogshit universe.

>>714723627
>oh dark magic is like a perversion of regular magic
No it's just a different type of regular magic, just like Dark Side is a different type of Force

>>714724880
>It's the rule of two.
Yet there were more than two and more being produced. Shut the fuck up if you don't know shit.

Star Wars? Isn't this the dogshit bottom feeder universe that ripped off Valerian? Get the fuck out with this shit. At least Valerian had a great ending. This never deserved to take off given its fanbase and state.

>>714703831 (OP)
I feel like if the Sith weren't muddying the waters with some shonky business and the Jedi weren't overzealous against those who wield the Force in ways outside of their specific druidic "balance" style things would be significantly less fucked up.

A lot of "dark side" stuff could easily be used to protect peace.

>>714724495
>>714724973
why did you enter a star wars thread only to shit and piss your diaper about the force, which is a fundamental aspect of its universe and lore. if you dont like it thats ok, engage with any other type of media. you cant remove the force from star wars, it is integral to it in every way possible.

>>714703831 (OP)
>The Grey Code

>>714725250
Dark Side stuff inevitably cascades. "I had to do this immoral thing to get the strength to protect my people. But if I had even more strength, I could protect them even better..."
And then next week you've declared yourself tyrant king.

>>714724973
>The pisskeepers failed and Galaxy had peace before the first jedi order was ever formed.
Oh, so, you're going by the fan fiction Lucas didn't think was canon. Okay.

>>714725317
The only way The Force integrates into Soi Wars is by making the entire universe worse as a result. It's a garbage brand for garbage faggots and troons who wanna be able to levitate dildos up their asses and activate electrostimulation functions with their fingers.

>>714725449
ok hun thats nice, what kind of media do you enjoy?

>>714725387
they are the best joke in the franchise

>>714725438
Nah, I'm going by Lucas being part of the fan fiction since he can't keep a consistent story if his life depended on it, making up midichlorians which are retarded, gummie bears, and all the other stupid shit.
Your messiah is retarded and so is your corporate slop brand. Face it.

>>714725515
Babylon 5 and Battlestar Galactica. Better writing than your dogshit I'll tell you that.

>>714725660
nugalactica was basically a soap opera after the intro. i'm not sure that was planned in any way.

>>714725660
LOL

>>714703831 (OP)
Qui Gon and Luke were the closet to the "Grey" side that we got.

>>714725660

>>714725951
Galaxy Quest is actually better than any Star Wars movie. Better tits too, and no pedophilia fetish insertion by a fat Jew. Big approval.

>>714725572
>Nah, I'm going by Lucas being part of the fan fiction since he can't keep a consistent story if his life depended on it,
You're going by a different metric of judging the story of Lucas' six films, by claiming the original author is inconsistent by his own story, by being inconsistent with what he has said and judging your story ideas that are inconsistent with what he created.

So, at what point did you realize your argument did not make sense?

>>714703831 (OP)
Personally I dislike that top tier Sith like Palpatine or Nihilus still use lightsabers. If you're a Jedi and you get inducted to the Sith Order, like Dooku or Vader, then sure, you use the tools you're familiar. On the other hand if you're just some really powerful force sensitive who gets yoinked and groomed by a Sith Lord, I don't really think Lightsaber training would be on the docket. You would just be learning Space Sorcery and just be a Space Wizard, as opposed to a Samurai Space Wizard like a fallen Jedi.

>>714725951
Blessed Sam Rockwell. Galaxy Quest is a damn good movie.

>>714726189
At what point did George Lucas make any sense? Even during the original trilogy, he didn't, and needed his entire surroundings fixing his shit to attempt to make it work because the man's a full retard and his writing is retarded, down to and including his wife wiping after his ass for a shit universe.

>>714703831 (OP)
>Grey jedk
Aka "I want to use force lightning but without having to be a bad guy"

>>714726312
>At what point did George Lucas make any sense?
Congrats: you didn't actually disprove the argument that your defense makes absolutely no sense. I'm happy you think that you know better about the universe than the guy who actually made it.

>>714726393
Everyone knows better than the guy who ripped off from better writers before him. Even his wife.
Star Wars was never about the story, people only like it for the visuals. That was its only working point.
The writing was always bottom feeder dogshit and it is a fact shared across the ages.
Only in the current time when illiterate TikTok generations prevail, who have never seen the inside of a library, is some kind of twisted worship given to Star Wars by the most socially and emotionally retarded generation in Human history. Because that's what it takes I guess. Nigga please, shut your bitchlips, you are arguing for slop.

>>714723895
keep your degenerate fetishes to yourself, thanks

>>714726616
>the guy who ripped off from better writers before him
Every artist rips off other artists.

>>714726616
>Everyone knows better than the guy who ripped off from better writers before him. Even his wife.
LOL, no. https://youtu.be/olqVGz6mOVE?si=06KqSMY7KnBJ6SGO
>Star Wars was never about the story, people only like it for the visuals. That was its only working point.
Question out of curiosity: if you feel this way, why do you care enough to comment on this?
>Nigga please, shut your bitchlips, you are arguing for slop.
Hey, don't talk to me like I do to the female members of your family.

not contributing to the thread, just pointing out the pervasive lack of skill in communicating thoughts on a fictional setting.

>>714726228
Sith use Lightsabers exclusively because it is an afront and insult towards Jedi. Even Palpatine engaged in this form os insult, his Lightsaber is gold. This is seen as materialistic, and is not typically allowed for that reason in the Jedi Order of that era. For the Sith, every opportunity to spit on the Jedi is an opportunity taken.

Nah I'm good.

>>714726745
Some artists are just good at it, which doesn't apply to Lucas.
>>714726756
>sort of but not really
AKA yes.
>why do you care enough to comment on this?
Because I can.
>Hey, don't talk to me like I do to the female members of your family.
Star Wars fans only try to do children. Nice try.

>the fencesitters code
pick a side you pussy faggot

>>714726980
>AKA yes.
Avoiding the question. Great.
>Because I can.
Oh, because you do care.
>Star Wars fans only try to do children. Nice try.
Once again, stop projecting.

>>714726840
Palpatine is a top tier hater. The Jedi never even did anything to him personally, he just fucking hates the shit out of them ideologically. It's pretty based.

>>714725007
>Actually shoving evil spirits into corpses to puppet them is hecken valid chud, and if you don't like it you're a bigot.

>The original idea was to capture the power of the force and make it subservient to the will of sentient life.
>The ancients, the Celestials, the Rakata, moved planets, organized star systems, conjured dark side devices like the Star Forge as they saw fit.
>If millions died in the process, so be it. The lives of most beings are of small consequence.
>The Jedi have failed to understand this. They are so busy saving lives and keeping the force in balance that they've lost sight of the fact that sentient life is meant to evolve, not languish in stasis.
>The Sith are not blessed stars, but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design.
>To become truly powerful requires more than compliance. It demands obstinacy and tenacity.
>The Force must be broken and made a beast of burden, made to answer to one's will. It cannot be treated deferentially.
I trust the wisdom of someone smarter than any jedi.

>>714727058
Cry more slop eater, Lucas is a hack, and Star Wars is a dogshit bottom of the barrel universe. Somehow worse than Warhammer now which takes talent.
The fact that Space Balls has better artistic literary quality speaks thousands of words.

>>714726228
Palps having a lightsaber makes sense as he comes off as more traditional with him wanting to avenge the Sith. Nihilus having one though does seem strange but Bioware probably couldn't figure out how to do his fight with the MC without him having a lightsaber

>>714727201
Oh, you DO care, but you're too embarrassed to admit it. Don't worry. No one here will judge you for that.

>>714726853
>The Kimba effect
Imagine reducing a story down to "UHHH IT'S THE THING MORE POPULAR AND SUCCESSFUL THING STOLE FROM I SWEAR". Whoever wrote that must have hated Empire of a Thousand Planets.

>>714703831 (OP)
>Self-righteous and not without problems but ultimately a force for good in the galaxy that are constantly sacrificing themselves for the sake of others
>Cartoon villains that laugh like madmen while blowing up planets for fun and have zero redeeming qualities whatsoever
>Duurrrr let's balance these two positions
Grey Jedi are retarded.

>>714727167
The Force is just as alive as any person, making a slave of it is just as evil as making a slave of a sentient being.

>>714727370
Valerian is a finished story with a great ending, polished, and perfected. It can't be tainted anymore.
Star Wars is a raped malformed clone, that keeps being raped, and will keep being raped. There's nothing more to say on the matter.

>>714725660
pls tell me this is bait and you arent just a lolcow. holy shit dude

>>714703831 (OP)
i preferred the original trilogy version of the force where there's no light side, there's just the whole shebang and how you use it

>>714727406
If the Force gives me the power to enslave it whose fault is it really?

>>714727406
"Linear causality is controlling my life, I MUST BE A SLAVE!!!!!"

>Star Wars is designed with a very black and white hero vs villain faction, where the good monks live in harmony with a supernatural power and utilize it with restraint while the evil space wizards try to bend it to their will.
>Later writers, too retarded to realize what this system was meant to be or so pretentious that they wanted to show how "intelligent" they were, begin deconstructing this simple premise for the sake of artificially injecting nuance into something that wasn't meant to be nuanced.
>Later, even more retarded writers see these retcons and decide "wow both sides suck, I'm going to write a super special OC side that compromises between these two extremes and is the actual good side!"
This is how you end up with the Grey Force.

>>714727510
If you advertise it as "that thing Star Wars stole from", nobody is going to read it and it'll simple linger with that legacy. Nobody wants to read "thing you already like but actually thing you like SUCKED and this thing is GOOD", you're dissuading people that could have otherwise potentially been interested.

>>714726840
>his Lightsaber is gold. This is seen as materialistic
No one look at Mace Windu's lightsaber or half of the buttons and greebles on half of the other jedi lightsabers.

I get the concept for the explanation, I just think it's kind of lacking one. None of the movies or games suitably explain. In the OT the Emperor doesn't hint at any form of skill with a Lightsaber or even any form of hidden physical prowess for a man his age. Then in the PT he's swirling through the air like a maniac. Same kind of goes for Yoda for that matter.

For the Jedi in their role of Space Police, a Lightsaber makes sense, it's a big, bright laser that instantly identifies who and what you are, even if it's antiquated.

>>714727857
Grey Morality is a psi-op introduced into the general culture by the CIA and fed into the zeitgeist by Hollywood in order to normalize bombing clearly innocent people in Asia and the Middle East.

>>714727167
Nigga is taking lift advice from a Scrotum.

>>714709827
reminds me of the vampires of vtm but at least they have an inherent method chaining them together in the gay pyramid scheme

>>714725427
No? Passionate people would wield the force better in their own way than trying to forcefully restrain themselves to act like Druids.
Some people being better at <X> than <Y> is something that applies to an absolute mountain of different things.

"Light" vs "Dark" isn't disciplined vs undisciplined, if it were light would never lose, it's peace of the mind discipline vs emotional discipline. Righteous Fury / Anger can still be used for good but Jedi view it as abhorrent and something to be removed by force.

Both Sith and Jedi, explicitly staying within their respective doctrines, are fuckers. Meanwhile the neutrals are retarded because "lol evil should be allowed to exist" is a shit take too, curb stomp the people trying to use the force for unsavory means the same way you curb stomp everyone else doing evil shenanigans.

Power is what you make of it and there's a plethora of other settings where some real nasty stuff is explicitly used for good.

>>714728439
wow that sure is a lot of headcanon

>>714727857
>nobody is going to read it
Maybe 15 years ago.
Now?
People will take anything so long as it isn't Star Wars. Corporate brand detachment has become a matter of personal and emotional growth. People can read better stories without wasting money, thanks to the Internet. Never had an easier time convincing people to abandon Star Wars and invest their time better.

>>714718778
letting evil genociders live is the jedi code thoughbeit
believing anybody is capable of redemption arcs is turning off your brain

>>714728807
>letting evil genociders live is the jedi code thoughbeit
Incorrect.

>>714728895
...

>>714728940
They gave a pretty good try. Didn't the Jedi Order essentially go extinct for a little bit over this guy?

>>714729015
i would say that was more nihilus, sion and kreia's fault

>>714728895

Has there ever been a Jedi that left the order, not because they fell to the dark side and want to conquer the galaxy, but because they realized they could just sell their services to private security companies and shit? Nothing evil or illegal, just highly lucrative employment to fund a hedonistic lifestyle at odds with the Jedi teachings.

>>714729729
Those situations indicate that the Jedi avoid executions without trial.
On the other hand, good luck arresting and holding those two guys, even handless Dooku.

>>714703831 (OP)
>"Yeah? Well my OC is both an angel AND a demon!"
Like how the fuck do these retards even work? Do they have a quota of good things they are allowed to do and then just arbitrarily murder some people to balance it out?

>>714729783
Jedi are raised to not care about money, so that kind of thing is very unlikely to happen.

>>714730004
Jedi are also raised not to become Sith and that keeps happening somehow.

>>714703831 (OP)
Apparently not only Siths deal in absolutes. If your only ideology is power, then your entire mindset is going to be shattered when you inevitably feel powerless and have to face that. It’s best to be able to acknowledge there will be times where you are strong, and times when you feel weak.

Jedi redditors can't argue against the most basic law of nature: might makes right.
Their only cope is "too much might might be bad though!"

>>714731956
Might makes right and the Jedi choose to uphold the harmony of the Force.

>>714730249
The dark side is always within their reach though, while jedi living in the temple like communists don't really have any want or need for money or opportunities to be greedy.

>>714731956
I would agree if the dark side wasn't a genuine force of psychosis that turns you into a babbling schizo. Star Wars doesn't get to have pragmatic darksiders because that's not the kind of story George wanted to write.

>>714732358
The Dark Side inevitably turns you into a selfish dick, but it's not like it turns you into a 40k World Eater. Palpatine laid low for decades as he poisoned the Republic right under the noses of the Jedi.

>>714732071
Your "harmony" leads to stagnation, inefficiency, and weakness. Hierarchy and the dominance of the strong over weaker beings is natural.

>>714732856
incorrect

>>714703965
This post gaped greyfag assholes harder than the fencepost they love sitting on.

>>714727857
this

>>714728102
schizo but based

>>714703831 (OP)
There is no debate, Grey jedi don't exist, there is no light side of the force, there is only the force. The Dark side is a corruption of the force, a cancerous growth that's used to siphon power. There is no dark and light side powers, there is only the force. You can be a bad person, and not use the dark side, not corrupt it and distort balance

The simplistic morality system of Star Wars went out of fashion the same ways floating blankets don't constitute horror anymore for 50 fucking years now.
Because Humanity has moved past the mental retardation of it.

>>714733413
nah thats a fad, same thing happened to westerns that new hope is.

>>714733413
absolute state

>>714733413
>the same ways floating blankets don't constitute horror anymore for 50 fucking years now.
50 years ago "Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom" premiered in Paris. You have zero concept of time, do you zoom zoom?

>>714703831 (OP)
Rather just do whatever the fuck I want than shackle myself to these retards.

You fucking losers can't let this disgraced, sullied, gang-raped shredded flap of skin of a franchise die can you?

>>714732358
Starkiller, Ventress, Revan, there are plenty of dark side users who don't go full retard.

Gray code is just pure humanity.
You can be a good person and contribute to society while not sacrificing what makes you happy.

Jedi code is basically religious self self sacrifice for the common good borderline communism.
And Sith code is just pure animistic might makes right "Me first" mentality.

>>714733901
oh yeah, that's a real list of bright spots right there.

>>714733886
No.

>>714704094
hurr balance means spending 50% of my time on the balance beam and the other 50% fallen on the floor

>>714734005
>konnichiwa, dude!

>>714732856
Its also natural to die of disease and live in caves and live and die on the same planet you ware born on and yet people who are not strong have made exploring the stars and cured diseases that would kill even the strongest men possible.
Wanting to be stupid selfish animal is retarded hell even animals have community what sith want to be is a cancer on society parasites that prosper of the accomplishments of others.

>>714733672
50 years ago the larger chunk of Humanity still didn't have mainstream knowledge of horror movies, or for that point access to television, let alone unrated television or theater. You absolute uneducated goober. Even most of the American countryside was still disconnected from technology until the mid 90s.

Grey Jedi are not even really a thing and strictly a comics and video games concept.

arent there animals that use the force? why arent jedi like them?

>>714703831 (OP)
>Grey Code

>>714703831 (OP)
Centrists should kill themselves. fucking cowards have no beliefs that they can affirm to. they are too afraid to pick either side.

>>714734523
Centrists believe strongly in
>this is fine

>>714734523
It's better to take what works from both sides instead of fully committing to either.

>>714703965
/thread

>>714703831 (OP)
Grey is for pussy fence sitters who can't pick a side. Bad fanfiction

>>714734736
Doing a little bit of Dark Side is like doing a little bit of black tar heroin.

>>714703965
Starring OP

>>714735517
Look, some cunts just deserve to get choked or fried by lightning. Using it on things like Geonosians or Sand People is morally righteous.

>>714703831 (OP)
How are Jedi balanced if the order makes them give up earthly/physical pleasures?

>>714736029
They can still jerk off they just can't have a gf

>>714736167
Sounds like being a Jedi or Sith is shit

>>714736197
Sith are free to fuck as much as they want, but most of them are too autistic to care about that.

>>714736029
That's not balance, the Jedi's inability to address the fact half their members were bwoinking each other, various senators, or other love interests is directly what lead to their fall because Anakin went full retard.

It would not be hard at all for the Jedi to allow relationships and marriages while still complying to their overall philosophy. However what it would majorly fuck up is presenting themselves as unbiased arbiters of Republic law, if some Master on the Council was in a relationship with someone who got caught up in a political scandal.

>>714736029
Main temple did this, and they were largely crippled by the Ruusan Reformation.
Corellian jedi were pretty chill.

>>714736362
>be Sith Lord
>fuck a woman
>woman gets my midichlorians
>that means I lose few force points
>autistic screeching followed by hunting said woman to reclaim his cum

Welp

>>714737381
Just eat the baby afterwards.

>>714737408
alright settle down Saturn

>>714737408
It'll take months and by that time some other sith retard will be trying to kill me because I'm "weaker" due to I lose some of my midichlorians.

I know very little about Star Wars lore but didn't the Sith have a rule about having only a single master and pupil in all of existence at any one time? Imagine having an ideology so destructive it literally can't scale up beyond a handful of edgelords.

>>714737819
they certainly did say that at some point.

>>714703965
exactly . Wtf is the middle one about

>>714738410
being a pussy who wants the cool sith stuff without having to pay the price for it

>>714737819
>Imagine having an ideology so destructive it literally can't scale up
The Sith Empire ruled 99% of the galaxy at some point and then imploded on itself because edgelords with no real external threat will kill each other instead. That's when some super saiyan sith decided only two people should be sith at any given time and mind fucked every sith in the galaxy to death at the same time through his super powers of force telepathy.

>>714703965
Fpbp

Fuck moderates, fuck centrists, fuck fence sitters.

>>714738593
that's sounds kind of dumb

>>714737819
That model got them their greatest victory and the largest extent of their rule in the history of the galaxy, so I'd say it worked.

>>714709827
well Bane was a total faggot and and Sidious trained Maul despite Plagueis still being alive, plus it probably happened a few other times over the thousands of years they were subverting the Republic, need i mention the Inquisitors hunting down remaining Jedi after the Empire formed when Vader was busy ?

>>714738918
Maul was a meme, and was never supposed to be a real apprentice. Just a Lightsaber Autist to scare the Jedi.

i feel like grey code has been rage bait for like 20 years but isnt actually real

>>714738991
There is no reason to believe Maul wasn't a real Sith. He received the title of Darth, unlike someone like Ventress. In the Plagueis book, Palpatine is shown to be very upset about losing Maul.
The only reason Maul wouldn't have been a "real" Sith is that he was operating while Plagueis was still alive but the Rule of Two is skirted literally all the time.

>>714738991
Maul was intended to be Sidious’ true apprentice for quite a while and Sidious was pissed when Maul died early, forcing him to settle for Old Man Dooku.

>>714734005
I miss him.

rabbahazia taftat tahar ! emmalatzia mattat tahar! emmonalitha na bandalafaaaaaR xDD. fuck you *knocks you to the ground with a punch*

>>714740970
>t. average grey jedi or “light sith” adherent

>>714738878
If you mean what Palpatine was able to do, his empire didn't last long and it imploded within a few decades because his apprentice backstabbed him like every other sith apprentice.

>>714733886
LOL, you care

>>714738878
The Sith’s greatest victory was the Jedi Civil War when they didn’t even have to lift a finger and the Order imploded over Mandos. It’s hilarious how a few space vikings made the Jedi shit themselves in confusion.

>>714727540
Not true in ESB or ROTJ, not sure where you got your wrong idea

>>714737819
Bane went full nuclear like a retard because he wanted to be special.
The literal only issue with the Sith Empire was that Tenebrae was a lazy chucklefuck who didn't want to put in the effort of actually running an Empire, so he intentionally sabotaged it all.

”Light Side” isn’t even a thing in any of the movies until the Disneyslop.

>>714703965
Greyfags btfo'd

>>714734005
this is the only source of star wars content I've ever seen and after learning that robot dude was lame as fuck in the last movie of the prequels I never gave a shit

>>714726228
They do exactly this. Palpatine using a saber is the equivalent of someone personally handicapping themselves to fight 4 MMA champions and killing the first 3 within a few seconds. Then engaging in a “real” fight with the last one.

>>714703831 (OP)
Dooku 'is' following the Gray code though, it's just all it does is make you a hypocritical dick

>>714726228
The first Sith were fallen Jedi, it was Ajunta Pall and his band of retards that wound up on Korriban, enslaved the natives, and took their name.

>>714742979
I hate Disney, but that's not true

>>714742979
The "Dark Side" of the Force is mentioned eighteen times in the original trilogy.