https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvLmrn7EGiA

HELL YEAH!!!

worst FF

>is just an AI slopped short
Why do they hate IX this much?

>>714711950
Why are you so desperate for a remake of a game? It will add unnecessary shit and remove stuff you liked.
There has been exactly 1 faithful remake in SE history... Super Mario RPG.

>>714712258
I have hope that this one will not be shit...

why did they make a fujo version of sephiroth

also where's the coca cola commercial?

>>714711262 (OP)
I hope this game comes out soon so square can work on something that isn't complete shit

>outside boxart is the main cast
>inside boxart is the cast outside the lifa tree

Didn't have time to reply to the guy from the last thread

> Why did they go from the more grimdark/realistic stories of ff6-8 to ff9's tone, is the game good? I feel like it's talked much elss than ff7/8/10


According to the developers themselves, the ninth part was primarily created on the basis of the first five parts. The developers wanted to collect all the best and recreate everything on new technologies, in fact, this is the last game in the series on Playstation 1, it squeezed all the technical juices out of it, despite the fact that in some ways it may seem that the Ninth part took a step back, especially against the background of the eight, up to the fact that the eighth part was the first game in which the whole team was displayed, the main characters were depicted as real people, and in full height, and the Ninth part suddenly took and decided to abandon everything. In fact, it was done on purpose and such aesthetics and dwarf people and such a small fairy-tale world, and some outdated mechanics - they were made specifically in tribute to the past, that is, it is such a summary of the life of the Final Fantasy series, and actually for this reason many developers have this part is the most favorite and important.

1/2

>>714713669
This is the last game in the series where the music conveys the story, atmosphere and emotions of the characters, this is Nabuo's last project where he directs the music writing, has full creative freedom and even traveled to Europe for inspiration; you know, to look at all those castles, and naturally he completely succeeded in re-creating the characters and locations, in a way to get nostalgic for Final Fantasy I just need to turn on the album and through the music I find myself in the game.

Unfortunately the gaming industry is moving towards action, graphics, and so characters from the tenth installment onwards will be voiced and locations will have nothing to do with music, meaning the player's imagination will be stripped away, and now we won't need to feel the character's personality through their theme music. There will be no need to imagine the characters voice, and yes, this is the last game that uses the aesthetics of painted locations. New technology, so to speak Progress, is destroying this art, and now we have soulless volumetric locations that are not memorable in any way, and which do not have the same love, so to speak the same labor that was in the painted locations.

Final Fantasy 9 is the latest installment that puts an end to the traditional mechanics of the Final Fantasy series. That is, as ironic as it may sound, but in some ways Final Fantasy 9 did turn out to be Final.

2/2

This is so fucking bad

>>714712656
>fujo version of sephiroth

>>714710897
No.

>>714710538
>I don’t think a random blog matters but from what I skimmed it’s not disagreeing with me either… it’s part of the compiliation
No, The whispers were introduced to get fans speculating that things might unfold different in the Remake. A plot device to add mystery and open the door for changes. Never was this intended to be a sequel or a “multiverse”. Never has Square mentioned it was a sequel. It's a Remake. Which is what it's titled.
Not taking it out on you but at some point this has to stop lol
There are several popular theories that it’s actually a true remake with a lot of expanded lore.
>Riona was an idiot who constantly put others in danger and got away Scott free. She also was a bit of a hoe.
Keep spouting that gaslighting bullshit.
> Garnet tried doing the right thing fucks up and get repercussions for her fuck ups. She tries to amend her wrongs always. I honestly think you’re just here to cause trouble and simply hate FFIX
Whatever helps you cope with IX being shit.
I also liked Aerith and Tifa. When Rinoa was stupid and childish, she got called out on it by the main character and forced to own up to it. Garnet never did.
Rinoa didn't get millions of people killed through her idiocy. Nor poison her love interest and friends because they wouldn't listen to her demanding that the mad evil tyrant mother be talked down, because after Garnet went through all the trouble of escaing said tyrant mother, she suddenly decided the tyrant should be talked to. Nor drag me through a really long sub-quest with a painfully obvious conclusion any idiot could have seen miles away.
...say what you will about Rinoa, at least the characters called her out on her silly stunts, she learned to stop being an idiot, and nobody died because of her idiocy.

>>714712995
Sorry anon. Prease understandu IX was longer than VII so a remake of IX will probabry take upwards of 15 years and 4 consore generations.

>>714712258
A IX remake will fix a lot of the original game’s many problems, especially the love story and Garnet’s stupidity.

The IX Remakes were great, Almost always the VII remake either remains true to the original or does everything better. The original VII was full of some minor stupidities, plot holes and misunderstandings (compared to IX's MUCH bigger flaws), and the remake got rid of almost all of the ones during the Midgar segment that part 1 fully covers. I can literally look at the original game during the whole prologue in Midgar with dozens of minor flaws as to what's happening and cross out everything.

And that's freaking awesome.

That's what remakes are supposed to do. As in the case of 'Resident Evil 2', where in the original the whole script was a complete misunderstanding, and the remake made it sane and fixed it.

Now contrast that with something like the recent Pokémon Gen IV remakes: 'Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl'. While the remakes of the first three Pokémon generations (Fire Red/Leaf Green, Heart Gold/Soul Silver and Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire) were good and actually added tons of new and fresh things that weren't in the original, the Diamond and Pearl remakes were just carbon copies of the original with barely anything changed and added to it (aside from extra rooms in the Sinnoh underground with Pokémon in them), they didn't even add any post-Gen IV Pokémons , it was pretty much just an HD Rerelease with updated graphics rather than a true remake, Game Freak wasn't even the one that worked on it, they got a different game studio to make it- unlike the previous Gen remakes.

>>714715784
Pretty sure that VII was the longer one.

>>714715840
>Almost always the VII remake either remains true to the original or does everything better
lol no

>>714715840
>>714712258
I have only two big questions left for the script: Why Shinra didn't take back Aerith earlier (they tried to explain it, but it was unsatisfactory) and how could they immediately make some plans for Neo-Midgar without significant results from Aerith. All the other issues of the original have been successfully corrected.

Sure, there are controversial things like the Whispers, and we will address them, but they do not ruin the entire game.

FFVIIR is reasonably divided into two components: what directly remakes the content of the original, and new additions. The parts that the remake remastered is a real delight. The scenes have been perfectly redesigned, the locations have been expanded steeply, bossfights are generally beautiful and with three phases each. Even almost all NPCs have been remembered and improved.

The complexity of the game is low, and the structure is linear, but again, so was Midgar in the original game, so the remake of the game adds many things more. The stages themselves are more like FFX than FFXIII: forks occur, sometimes you need to turn on your head when passing. There is no control over the composition of the party, but it is inevitable, but with additions it turned out relatively well, there are different weapons with different abilities and basic stats, which can be seriously customized. Not to mention Materia.

The game is greatly voice acted too. And the Music has amazing remixes of the originals tracks, along with some great new additions (like the music that plays when Cloud and Aerith are travelling through the Sector 6 slums to get to Sector 7)

After all, what is the task of the remake? Not to (completely) change the original source, but to correct and supplement. There's a lot of things to fix, and the remake does it.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

>>714715961
Keep telling yourself that.

>>714715961
>>714716171

>>714715961
>>714716306

>>714712559
Only if it fixes Garnet (removing her stupidity and whining and makes her a better waifu to Zidane)

>>714712656
>why did they make a fujo version of sephiroth
You mean just like the original?

>>714713669
>up to the fact that the eighth part was the first game in which the whole team was displayed, the main characters were depicted as real people
So did VII.

>>714713741
>This is the last game in the series where the music conveys the story, atmosphere and emotions of the characters, this is Nabuo's last project where he directs the music writing, has full creative freedom and even traveled to Europe for inspiration; you know, to look at all those castles, and naturally he completely succeeded in re-creating the characters and locations, in a way to get nostalgic for Final Fantasy I just need to turn on the album and through the music I find myself in the game.
Too bad that IX’s soundtrack was mostly pretty bland and uninspired. It seems like Nabuo was running out of gas for IX and only called it his “favourite” because it was the easiest to do.

>>714717057
No it isn't. It is on the same level as every other FF soundtrack since 4, better than a few of them even.

>>714713741
>Unfortunately the gaming industry is moving towards action, graphics, and so characters from the tenth installment onwards will be voiced and locations will have nothing to do with music, meaning the player's imagination will be stripped away, and now we won't need to feel the character's personality through their theme music. There will be no need to imagine the characters voice, and yes, this is the last game that uses the aesthetics of painted locations. New technology, so to speak Progress, is destroying this art, and now we have soulless volumetric locations that are not memorable in any way, and which do not have the same love, so to speak the same labor that was in the painted locations.
Thanks for confirming that you didn’t even play X or any of the games past that, which clearly prove you wrong. Stop gaslighting.

>>714713741
>Final Fantasy 9 is the latest installment that puts an end to the traditional mechanics of the Final Fantasy series. That is, as ironic as it may sound, but in some ways Final Fantasy 9 did turn out to be Final.
Stop the shilling already. The worst Final Fantasy I've played to date. Super annoying characters, bad story, stupid dialogue and a repulsively childish style. After the masterpieces of 7 and 10, this was a real shock. I have no idea how this garbage could be seen as one of the best parts of the series.

>>714717197
It’s very boring and repetitive, compare IX’s boss theme with that of VII’s, VIII’s or X’s. Some of the theme are even copied from other FF games.

>>714715094
That hair cut was so pretentious and ruined Garnet’s look with her graceful long hair. It wasn’t even a romantic gesture to Zidane.

>>714717598
You wouldn't get it, monkey.

>>714717598
>so pretentious
It's not that serious lol

>>714718545
I get it, japanese symbolism and all that. It’s just cliche, pretentious and does nothing to really add focus to the love story.

>>714719115
>It's not that serious lol
Dude, most of IX is too serious. I take it seriously because the game itselfwants to be taken seriously, just like FFVII was, VII was clearly trying to get a serious message across with its anti-capitalist commentary. And I seen tons of other people take IX seriously and claim that it’s “really deep”. It’s not “just a game” when it comes to post VII FF games, lots of modern games should be considered art nowadays. In fact, one of IX’s biggest problems is its inconsistent tone and mood whiplash, especially with howwar crimes and genocide happen.
It's funny how the fanboys will whine and accuse VII and VIII of being "too dark and emo" when IX gives us this bullshit, and it's being done by a really shallow, over the top, moustache twirling, cartoon villain like Brahne. (Whose motives just amount to the juvenile, lazy, and incredibly vague "she's just greedy"… If it can be called even that, since the game never really properly explains what made her pull a complete flip on her behaviour and go completely nuts. And if that wasn't ridiculous enough, the game will then try and make a cheap last minute attempt for you to try andfeel sorry for her)
This is one of IX's big problems, you'll go from a cutscene of war crimes and an entire city being obliterated… To Steiner just being goofy. Honestly, they overdid it with the destruction aspect. Thousands of innocent civilians are obliterated left and right, but you're supposed to ignore that and care about characters melodramatic "existential crises" and forced slapstick in a world where a crazy queen can kill many in seconds. IX has constant mood and tone whiplash, and it's ironic how some people will claim that IX "isn't taking itself too seriously" when really it's the opposite. Not to mention that poorly written characters like Beatrix get off scot free for it when if she wasn’t so blindly loyal to begin with she could have prevented all of this from happening.

>>714715840
modern SE can't make a good game, a remake won't fix shit

>>714719514
They did with the VII Remakes and XVI: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2023/06/final-fantasy-xvi-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>714718545
Stop posting in here, Freeza.

>>714719792
>They did with the VII Remakes and XVI:
no they didn't, those games were terrible

>>714711262 (OP)
oh, a movie... not a game remake... okay

I love demakes MORTY
I WANT TO CONSUME

>It's just a collection of pre-rendered scenes from the game with music
I don't really want a remake but I'd have liked something new

>>714721406
what else is there to do?

>>714721623
A new animation would've been nice

Dont ask for remakes if you are not ready to face changes.

>>714721704
True, but the studio that was going to do it is done for. Remake is all they have going on, and even that is starting to become a debate after this empty anniversary

>>714721704
Soon
Trust the plan

>>714722000
I'm not sure I've ever asked for a remake. Even then you can make changes to a game without drastically fucking it up, but you can only do that if you understand what made it good in the first place.

>>714716670
It didnt retard. There was only 1 character in the screen while walking around. Also a chibi version.
8 has both 3 characters at the same time walking along, and they are displayed with the tall models.

>>714715674
Bullshit, 1 was clearly a sequel and the second part backpedalled because people didnt like it.

If the remake looks like shit I'll just do what I did when the FFT remaster looked like shit.

I'll go and play the original from start to finish. FFT is still good by the way, I managed to play the game in five-six hour spurts and its been a while since a game was able to hold my attention for that long.

>>714720686
Cope and seethe, contrarian.

>>714716391
Unironically the original game did it better.

>>714722787
>FFT is still good by the way
not with that balance, sadly.

>>714722824
the sales speak for themselves you actual contrarian
shit eating retard

>>714721096
I love mediocre old games MORTY, I WANT TO SHILL

>>714722468
I do, the original IX was crap and Garnet was one of the most obnoxious and unlikable characters in the original and a shit love interest. Take off your nostalgia goggles.

>>714722661
Okay, just making sure they didn’t mean that in the writing sense.

>>714722983
>garnet
>obnoxious and unlikable

>>714711262 (OP)
PFFF AHAHAAHAHAHA GET FUCKED FF TROONS

>>714722737
Nope, see: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/06/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-6.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>714722895
Wrong: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2024/04/everything-is-great-actually.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2024/05/blog-post.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>714723058
She was, She cares more about her self-centred “independence” than she does about Zidane, who loves her, and she repeatedly poorly returned that love.

Garnet tries to make it all about her and never really thinks about Zidane and how he feels until too little too late.

For Garnet it was definitely selfish. Her motives were largely about “Muh independence” and arrogantly believing she could do everything on her own because of her status and couldn’t check her privilege. She talks about exploring Treno as if it is a game to her, and she even has the galls to say that she doesn’t care about Zidane and places all the blame on him during that segment, and that is where I lost all sympathy for her, she came off as really unlikeable.

The female love interests in these stories had way more personality and likability than Garnet ever did, and were proper waifus unlike her.

>>714722849
Keep inhaling that copium.

>>714722849
>>714723469

>>714722983
You clearly have brain damage since IX's biggest issue was loading times for battles. The story is good and Garnet is literally none of those things. Go take your autism meds.

>>714723591
She quite literally goes back and hands her entire selection of eidolons to her mother after all the hard work Zidane and Tantalus did to get her ass out of the kingdom. In the end Garnet is the one responsible for giving her mother magic nuclear weaponry that annihilated Cleyra, seriously hurt Lindblum and then Alexandria itself killing god knows how many people, and ruining the love story.

But hey, we're talking about a game where a war criminal (Beatrix) is never truly confronted about the shit that she did and is left to stay as an unbeatable god-mode Sue.

>>714723591
Garnet: 1) Runs away from home because she's afraid her mother is going crazy and trying to start a war

2) Risks the lives of many, many people and causes numerous deaths along her flight from the castle (yes, I count all those Black Mages on the cargo airship as deaths)

3) Upon arrival in Lindblum suddenly proclaims that she refuses to believe her mother is evil and trying to take over the world, despite proof of her unprovoked attack on Burmecia, the slaughter of Black Mages from the Black Waltzes that were clearly sent by her, and the attempts to kill the “kidnappers”.

4) Runs all the way home because apparently she wanted to “just talk to her mom” and DRUGS AND ABANDONS ZIDANE: the guy who loved her. Thus rendering the whole point of the kidnapping and entire beginning of the game completely pointless. Not to mention ruining the love story with her and Zidane that the game tries to hype up so much.

5) Through her stupidity, she gets captured and tortured. Millions of people die from the results of her entirely preventable course of action because she basically handed over her Eidolons to her mother on a silver platter, and just to rub salt in the wound, she never gets called and chewed out on any of this, especially not by Zidane who should very rightfully be furious and upset with her, after all that he did for her, only for her to blow him off.

>>714711950
they hate all their games the same way
the latest KH collection on steam got a terrible AI upscaling that you need to mod to undo

Oh god even poor 9 has an autistic schizo on this fucking web site

Final Fantasy truly is the breeding ground of schizos

>>714711262 (OP)
Fucker, you got my hopes up there. It's just Melodies of life playing over in game cutscenes.

Anyway, that aside why are some of you faggots so against people celebrating this game's 25th anniversary? Just let people enjoy what they enjoy, if you don't like it you don't have to ruin the fun for other people, enter the threads and shitpost your brain worms like it's a therapy session. Go look in on another thread if you don't like FF and FF9. This is special to a lot of us old fags.

25 years, I started playing this when I was 13, with my 7 year old brother. It's a deeply personal game that holds a lot of special memories.

I got a name for the retarded blog writer earlier today but the fanfic schizo who spams their shitty takes doesn't have anything that rolls off the tongue quite as nicely

>>714725336
there was one on /vrpg/ a year ago

>>714725749
brother, there are people on FFs threads that are hating 16 for more rgab 2 years, everyday. with the same posts

Its impossible to talk FF on this place. There are only autists and schizos on ff threads

>>714725749
did that "my hero academia" author make this picture?

>>714725749
I think that the place that i'll return to someday is the only music that can make me emotional

Love this fucking game man

>>714725801
He seems to be Russian. Putin is taking too long to draft this fucker to die in ukraine

>>714725903
It's a shame, but I think it's like that for most games that people enjoy or positive about. The most recent example I saw were the threads of Clair Obscur, those threads were originally very orientated on talking about the game and then the popularity of the game itself exploded which brought in the shitposters to doom like crabs in a bucket.

>>714725941
I don't know, I saw it in one of the other threads and thought it looked cool.

HE DISAGREES WITH ME?
MUST BE A SCHIZO

>>714725941
Horikoshi has done a fair amount of IX art but I don't think that's one of them

>>714726172
I don't really understand what E33 has to do ith FF

There are great JRPGs not made by square even on the golden days. Some people are just adicted to complain

>>714723271
I like how this shit eater thinks I'm going to click his links.
Unlike you I can think for myself.

>>714726351
>makes their presence known only for one thing
>refuses to acknowledge other points of view
>posts the exact same shit multiple times in a single thread
I'm not going to call them a bot because they occasionally bring up how much of a Marxist or obnoxious anime waifufag they are which is actually funny

>>714725749
The guy linking his fanfic blog is legitimately autistic, and proud of that fact too

>>714723552
Yeah the original did it better because shortly after it is confirmed Shinra set them up

>>714723136
It’s compilation sequel aka roping off rebuild. Also who cares about a schitzo’s shitty and wrong blog.

>special movie
>just a few game cutscene clips slapped together
t-thanks, square...

>>714726123
Actually, I’m Canadian, I just past a russian bloggers valid points on IX sometimes. Whatever helps you cope with the fact that your favourite game isn’t so great.

>SE cancelled the FF9 remake after they saw the reception to E33

>>714726521
>Unlike you I can think for myself.
Keep telling yourself that, you are just regurgitating what every contrarian who shills 9 says.

I've been here since '04 and FF9 being “universally beloved” is wholly some 2010's nonsense.
People used to dickride FF6 and act all contrarian about FF7 because that was the hot shit to do.
Then for awhile it was cool to insist that 5 was totally your favorite one.
People universally shat on FF8 until just the last few years, too.
I'm sure I'll see the day when you come around on FF13 as well and act like I'm some noob when I talk about how it wasn't always some 'beloved hidden gem' of the franchise or whatever bullshit people are saying about 9 nowadays.

>>714711567
But XIII alrerady exists.

>>714726624
>refuses to acknowledge other points of view
Oh so you mean exactly what the 9 fanboys do? Keep projecting.

>>714727320
I liked IX before this site existed you hypocritical contrarian

>>714726627
At least my autism allows me to closely analyze things and address problems. Keep being an ableist asshole.

>>714715674
Whatever schitzo we all know it’s a part of the compilation. The original is the golden route. Oh and get triggered by facts: Garnet is one of the best female leads. Unlike Riona who is one of the worst. Go hug your shit Riona pillow and jerk off to your hand you pathetic womanless loser. FFVIII still sucks.

>>714727226
I dont' think so. A real, 1 to 1 Remake of an old popular game always sells well. It's when you start doing some bullshit changes and alterations that fans walk away.

>>714726857
You know you use “schitzo” so much its lost all meaning, what’s a “schitzo”? It’s a guy you don’t like.

>>714727563
>A real, 1 to 1 Remake of an old popular game always sells well.
Examples?

Good times.

I think they shouldn't cancel projects, even if the game was a blunder. let them try to make money off it. it's a waste of time and resources when you call the whole thing off because said game didn't meet expectations.

>>714727482
>Helps me closely analyze
>Can't understand that characters in the game don't have the same knowledge players do

>>714727563
Tell that to the Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Remakes. People like you are the reason why we can’t have true remakes anymore and just want to cling to an imaginary “perfect” past.

Its so good to see 9 being so beloved by everyone. It was the best game on PS1 and it deserves to be remade with the same love and care that 7 did but without the stupid changes;

I just don't know what battle systen would be better for it. Maybe it is a good idea to keep using and improving on Rebirth combat, but 9 being a loveetter for the classic FF maybe deserve to have turn based

For me it's Memoria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJWfn71tkLM

>>714727651
Oh piss off. If Garnet was so convinced her mother wasn’t so out of her mind or crazy that Garnet could have just talked her out of it, why even bother to run away from home in the first place rather than just talk to her mother when she had the CHANCE? (Something that a girl with an otherwise perfect relationship with their mother would do FIRST, before running away) Had all of the stuff we'd just witnessed not happened (The Queen firing upon the Prima Vista and not caring about collateral damage with the civilians or even her own daughter’s safety, the murderous Black Waltzes which blatantly tell Garnet that her mother sent them after her, the devastated North Gate with the Alexandrian flags placed there clearly showing that they were launching an attack against Burmecia), and Garnet had come to Lindblum without ever fearing her mother or seeing evidence of her mother's atrocities, then the "My mother isn't crazy and I can just reason with her!" reaction would make sense.

Why not just STAY HOME to begin with if she was so convinced that her mother could be snapped out of it by just talking to her? Why bother to run away at all and just end up making all of Zidane’s (and us, the players) efforts a big waste of time?

Actually, I still have trouble reconciling the idiot Garnet in most of the game with the ballsy, smart one in the opening segment that plans her own escape and brilliantly plays a kidnapping to her advantage - and aside from bad luck, almost pulls it off without her mom catching on. Where the hell was THAT Garnet the rest of the game? It's like Square just said "Oh crap! We can't have a love interest that's competent and smart! Quick, let's make her dumb as a rock!”

>>714727726
>Its so good to see 9 being so beloved by everyone.
You really don’t pay any attention to these threads, do you?

>ITT: FFVIIIchud seething.

>>714723591
Autism doesn't have meds genius
Literally untreatable lmao.

>>714727891
IS just one guy making hundreds of posts everyday about the same thing man

4chan is not the internet

>>714727320
>shit eater spewing
yikes

>>714727651
Disk 1 Alexandria is a deceptive introduction to Garnet specifically, as although an excellent introduction in isolation (The thief goes to kidnap the princess who outsmarts and outmaneuvers him every step of the way, culminating in an excellent scene of her swinging on the banner to that Prima Vista and reverse uno-ing the kidnapping followed by the quick witted improvising on the stage), this Garnet we meet at the start is not necessarily the character we continue the story with from Evil Forest onwards . And an introduction for characters is extremely important, as Zidane, Vivi, and Steiner's characters at the start do feel like they are the same characters moving forward, while Garnet took a bit of a slide… downwards.

At the start of the game, she brilliantly works out an escape plan and improvises a way out on a dime. If that was the Garnet we got for the rest of the game instead of the girl that doesn't know what knives are, thinks that evil megalomaniacs can be reasoned with by returning without anyone to back her up and drugging and abandoning the man who loved and protected her, I would have loved her. Instead she devolves into a really clichéd and unlikable naive princess stereotype and bad love interest and just never recovers.

>>714712258
>>714711950
>>714711567
>>714711262 (OP)
I find it odd retards beg for a 9 remake this much when a majority of you niggers shit on the 7 remake. You're never going to be happy with it, so why don't you just replay it? Oh, wait... if you do that, you'll just have to experience the bad localization again.
Guess there's no winning at all for you faggots.

>>714728143
Keep having no real arguments and just dumb strawman.

>>714728075
I’ve seen other commenters on other sites complain about IX and Garnet.

>>714727649
In this particular case it is about the stupidest thing they can do. The next 2 year pipeline is as good as empty, nothing to boost profitability, nothing to convince shareholders. And all while jumping onto fan hype by doing a big anniversary celebration unlike most other FF, while knowing the game has leaked out.
All that taken into consideration, since it is SE it is entirely possible.

>>714728178
wtf 9 has by far the best script and best localization of the ps1 games

hell, its even better than 10

the only thing that bugs me is why is Hilda with Kuja on Gulug. otherwise, a perfect game

>>714727651
Cid definitely knew that Brahne was after the Eidolons and he also knew about Kuja, he says so himself in Disk 2 Lindblum: >"Brahne was after the gwok eidolons. That much, I knew."

the loading time transition to battle was a slog.

>>714728310
probably the same guy

remember how barry is everywhere on the internet defending 15? This one seems to be have the same powerfevel

>>714728389
Keep in mind that it’s still only 10 am in Japan, still 14 more hours to announce a IX Remake.

>>714728389
Square Enix has the highest stock price in its history now

share holders are retarded anon. Promises are more important than an actual product

>>714728638
It’s not, this lady called rebochan was very critical of Garnet and I am using the comments she made about IX. The russian guy is also pretty critical of IX.
But keep making “appeal to popularity” fallacies.

>>714711262 (OP)

This is worse than the Fan AMV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20M_DbVjMEA

>>714728869
nah definetely the same guy

no one is as stupid and unlikable as thsi fucker

>>714728778
That’s because 3D Investment Partners have take up a huge position now

>>714728510
Wrong.

>>714728221
I'll call you FF7-kun from now on, shit eater.

>>714729235
As i said, the best on the ps and maybe even better than 10

compare then autistic comrade

>>714727815
>character being overconfident is bad writing when it in fact backfires on them

>>714729446
i think that this is Schrodingersbabyseal

Has rhe same retarded takes and is also a fag

>>714729080
Keep living in your delusions.

>>714712258
Square Enix didn't develop SMRPG remake (ArtePiazza did) and it also added unnecessary shit to make an easy game easier.

Sex with rats

>>714729660
so you are not only retarded but also a woman?

Talk abbut bad luck in life...

>>714729602
1: It’s not coherent, Garnet’s personality is all over the place and makes no sense.

2: Garnet never gets called out and held responsible for her arrogance. We are supposed to feel “sorry” for her. There is a right way and a wrong way to do character flaws, and Garnet clearly falls into the latter. Flaws have to make sense, be believable and be executed well, which Garnet’s were not. If there is being too perfect, then there is being too flawed, and Garnet is WAY too flawed. Garnet pushed “naïve princess” to insane levels, it’s implausible and really really cliché.

Also, flaws have to be treated as FLAWS by the narrative, the problem in IX is that it doesn’t treat Garnet as having flaws. The Narrative actually acts
like she was completely “in the right” we are supposed to be feeling “sympathy” for her, when it did nothing to make her sympathetic. She just comes off as a selfish spoiled brat who care more about her psycho mother (whom she wanted to ESCAPE from in the first place) than she does about Zidane, the man who loved and protected her, and her friends whom she all ungratefully drugged and abandoned. The narrative tries to make her out to be a “victim” in all of this when her actions caused a lot of negative consequences. Not even Zidane gets upset with her, when he really rightfully should, with everything that he did for her, only for her to decide to blow him off the first chance she got.

>>714729660
>unironic neofag poster

>>714729847
I’m a guy, I’m just copying and pasting her valid arguments on IX. But keep thinking that every critical comment on IX is the same person.

FF9 is so fucking mid, I get that remaking it would be easier than a more hyper realistic version in FF6 and FF8 remake because of the chibi designs in FF9, but nobody asked for this remake, casuals won't be interested as much as they were for FF7 remake

>>714729908
This was from 15 years ago, anon.

>>714729976
I don't know man you look like a woman to me

the same crazy shit and the main character syndrome

a man would know when to shut up and stop being an annoying little bitch to not got punched in the face

>>714730035
That’s EXACTLY why IX needs a remake, so it can change and fix things like the VII Remakes are doing. What is so hard to understand about that?

>>714730169
And yet you keep defending Garnet’s behaviour in IX, kind of an inconsistency there.

>>714730173
OG is perfect, the ending is the reason why we got the compilation of FF7, things related to that game that nobody asked for.

>>714729879
it's consistent with the same characterization that Garnet gets from Dali up that point, she's in over her head and decent at improvising but she can't forsee how intertwined her mother and Kuja are
She runs from Lindblum with the same motivation that she originally left Alexandria, the belief that she can make a difference on her own, and is quickly humbled with no one to back her up
That entire rest of your post is nonsensical when she's almost constantly punished by the narrative itself, which, indeed, makes her a victim of her own decisions as well as the intentions of those around her

>>714730303
>OG is perfect
No it’s not. IX is far from perfect. It's story is over cluttered and suffers from astoundingly poor pacing, it has an overabundance of random battles and load times, the Trance system is yet another failed attempt at a Limit Break mechanic that isn't somehow broken, it has antagonists with personalities and motives as two-dimensional as the NES FF antagonists, Zemus, Exdeath and Kefka, yet are exposed and hyped up to the degree of Sephiroth (the only exception to this is IX's Garland), and it thrusts Quina, Brahne and Kuja upon the players.

The story is a mess, pure and simple. But so were most early Final Fantasy games' plots during the NES and SNES, and we didn't hold it against them. Why judge IX's so severely, then? The answer is because this is after FFVII, which was very revolutionary and we're now at the point where an RPG's story is about as equally important as it's gameplay when determining it's overall quality. The genie's out of the bottle now, and there's no stuffing it back in. When a game has hundreds of pages' worth of dialogue and enough minutes of FMVs to fill a half-hour television slot, the narrative it spins has to be equally engrossing as the time a player spends running around and slaying monsters, or else it becomes a hindrance. In a game like Final Fantasy, the story is the payoff the player earns for slogging through all those dungeons and fighting all those random battles, and if the story with which he or she is rewarded isn't up to snuff, then the game does not succeed. IX's story and love story really could have been better, and the entire experience suffers for it.

>>714730492

I liked the love story, actually. Really made me want to see them get together.

>>714730492
>sephiroth more than a one-dimensional character
silence compilationfag

FF9 is perfect.

>>714730370
>That entire rest of your post is nonsensical when she's almost constantly punished by the narrative itself, which, indeed, makes her a victim of her own decisions as well as the intentions of those around her
Oh my god, I DON’T CARE ABOUT WHAT THE NARRATIVE ALLEGEDLY DOES, I WANT ZIDANE TO GET ANGRY WITH GARNET AND CALL HER OUT FOR BETRAYING HIS TRUST AND ABANDONING HIM, TO CHEW HER OUT FOR BEING SO SELFISH, RECKLESS AND IMPULSIVE.

>>714729624
>IMMEDIATELY starts acting like barry, a fucking schizo
LOL

Barru was not so bad guys

>>714730685
newsflash: Zidane isn't a shithead slav like you

>>714730601
Well it’s not well done, Garnet gives him the cold shoulder most of the game and spends more time whining about her mother.

>>714730747
For the last time, I’m Canadian, not russian.
The only shithead here is you and Garnet who doesn’t appreciate Zidane.

>>714730685
>Her naivete and emotional thinking just caused her to have her Eidolons stripped from her, and now Brahne is out to conquer
>WHY ISN'T ZIDANE BERATING HER RIGHT NOW
Zidane isn't an autist like you, he knows that belabouring the point would be worthelss. She knows she fucked up

>>714730626
Yes. Look at the original and the remake.

Oh god he is a shipper


I'm out peace

imagine had FFIX been a gaiden title.

Kino

>>714730880
>She knows she fucked up
No, she didn’t. She’s deluding herself into thinking it’s because of her “lack of strength” and not because she had a stupid plan.

>>714730370
>she's almost constantly punished by the narrative itself
what horrible, irreversible consequences has she endured that puts all those people losing their lives to shame?

>>714729235
>improves the story and stale writing
>this is somehow a bad thing

Necron shared a similar quote as Yoda in the prequel trilogy.

"Fear leads to anger... anger leads to hate... hate leads to suffering."

I like Garnet

>>714711262 (OP)
The video is just like 1 min and it's old where is the special part?

>>714731307
YOU WANNA KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT GARNET!? HER REAL NAME IS PRINCESS SA.....(gunshot)......

>>714731307

Me too. Shame about the hair though.

>>714727617
Super Mario RPG

>>714731720
Any other examples?

>>714729751
All the things they added to the battle system were optional and even if they weren't, they made the slow battles quicker.

>>714716171
>>714716306
>>714716391
>copypasting someone else's argument
>phone filename
Unironically slice your wrists

>>714731807
Trials of Mana

It's stuff like seeing schizos seethe over some random femcel who talked shit about their autism over 10 years ago, raging for over a decade about it, being obsessed with them and somehow that femcel either appears out of nowhere or is someone impersonating them and they have inane, retarded arguments over the stupidest shit that makes me realize that the way I feel about disliking things and shitting on it is, in fact, nowhere near that bad actually. Seriously, you guys are a big confidence booster. Keep it up. Or uh, kill yourselves or each other. Either's fine. Thanks either way.

>>714732104
That's not a 1-to-1 remake.

>>714731170
The entire time they're leaving Alexandria she's pensive and doesn't like that everyone is staying behind for her sake because she fucked up. Moreover, if he were in the same position Zidane would have done the same thing. Hell, he did do the same thing when he ditched Tantalus to go help Dagger in the first place.
They are emotional characters who do things based on how they feel, which you struggle to understand because you are autistic.

>>714732203
The real winner here

ff9 is good though

>>714731641
She is better with long but always remains cute and loveable

>>714732212
Okay. Dragon Quest 1 & 2 (SNES).

>>714732258
>Zidane wants to help out an attractive woman
Oh man what a bleeding heart that guy is. Blank? Who's that again?

>>714732783
Super Mario All Stars

FF9 Disc 1 is PEAK quality and world building

>>714717057
>Too bad that IX’s soundtrack was mostly pretty bland and uninspired.
absolutely kill yourself, holy shit. the frog mini game track alone mogs 90% of the rest of Final Fantasy.

>>714732783
Only sold half of what DQI and DQII sold.

>>714733263
No shit, Nintendo Power gave away Dragon Warrior 1 in US and the double pack was never released in the US.
Try harder.

>>714729235
>he wants all that gay shit
Doesn't Zidane look enough like a girl already, does he have to talk like one too?

>>714733590
>>714727563
>A real, 1 to 1 Remake of an old popular game always sells well.

>>714712258
Not everyone is a jaded incel who hates games.

>>714715840
>Almost always the VII remake either remains true to the original or does everything better

im replaying it for the first time. does it make much of a difference if i dont care about stat maxing or whatever

>>714719792
>They did with the two modern FF games that flopped

>>714731239
Point to me where the English translation fixes Garnet’s stupidity or the love story. Or fixes Beatrix or Kuja for that matter?

>>714731285
Only in the English translation.
>>714732028
Because I agree with them and they make perfectly valid points? Sorry if I’m not a narcissist like you who only stays in his own echo chamber.

>>714730601
hey man, it's cool to see you
we've been coming here for the same amount of time
hope it's all treating you well

>>714734262
the game only becomes difficult if you completely ignore status effect prevention

>>714732203
>>714732353
Whatever helps you cope and live in your delusions that IX was ever a good game. All flash, no substance. Designed to appeal to the most shallow, lowest common denominator, that’s what IX is.

>>714734262
You can always grind levels if you're stuck on a fight. Save often and don't overwrite your saves.
You don't need to min max, but at the very least make sure you equip your party with the best weapons, gear and armour you can afford for your level and you'll be golden.

>>714734532

Meh.

I'm sure you're doing better than I am.

>>714734127

>>714734648
actual bot post wow
rare to see

>>714734756
maybe so, maybe not, but we're in this together boss
it'll all pass, take care of yourself best you can

>Save the Queen
>it's a sword nobody other than Beatrix can equip
>it's a key item to synthesize.

schizo seething

>>714715840
Yeah, you didnt need to remind me how much Gamefreak dogged the gen4 remake man.

>>714734648
Ironically, I've never played FF9 in my life. I came in the thread initially to see if it was actually anything substantial.

>>714734784
Not a bot.

>>714735005
>Anyone who disagrees with me on IX is a schizo!

>>714734262
The only stat it's even remotely worth getting autistic over is Zidane's speed stat, but even that doesn't matter too much

>>714734316
Lately there has been a lot of speculation about how Square is doing. Let's see what they themself say and plan.

* At the meeting convened on March 27, 2024, the Board of Directors of Square Enix Holdings voted, in light of the myriad changes underway in the environment surrounding its Group, to revise the Group's approach to the development of high-definition (HD) games with the intention of being more selective and focused in the allocation of development resources. As a result of a close examination of the Group's development pipeline taken in keeping with this revised approach, the Company expects to recognize approximately ¥22.1 billion in content abandonment losses on its books for the fiscal year ended March 2024.

What does it mean? The company canceled a bunch of games that it doubted were profitable. Kiryu said last year that Square is developing too many middle-class games, and he doesn’t like it: he thinks that it is necessary either economically, or AAA.
At the same time, the latest investor report emphasizes that the middle class is not being abandoned:

* Keep and build on the fan bases for our major franchises by regularly releasing AAA titles
* Release mid-class titles based on strategies for individual lineups, prioritizing profitability
* Explore additionally leveraging our Group's rich library of IP
* Be bold in attempting to create a new IP, prioritizing novel forms of excitement and striking the right balance with earnings potential
* Building continuous customer contact points of our titles by stepping up digital sales. The Group will strengthen user flow of digital sales of new titles at the time of launch regarding the initiatives of promotion. In addition, it will generate the opportunity of generating revenue in our rich catalog titles' line-up, which leads to strengthen its earnings base by expanding sales of catalog titles. Moreover, the Group will engage in initiatives which focus on the acquisition of PC users

>>714734316
>>714735753
In short, Square realized which platform was blessed, and decided to sell their old games on Steam to everyone in the world.

Is there any word in the report that 16 or Rebirth performed poorly? Nope.

* In the HD (High-Definition) sub-segment, consolidated net sales for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024 increased compared with the previous fiscal year due to the release of titles including “FINAL FANTASY XVI,” “FINAL FANTASY PIXEL REMASTER, ” “DRAGON QUEST MONSTERS: The Dark Prince,” and “FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH.”

The MMO segment has sank, but this is logical; nothing came out this year (or, in fact, two). Mobile phones have also not achieved success. As a result, everything is stable for Square in terms of money, only there is less profit, because the games were canceled for 140 lyams.

Well, in the NPD chart, which somehow takes into account both physical copies and digital copies on the American market, Rebirth is in fourth place in the list of best-selling games of the year (behind Helldivers, Kolda and the second dogma). So if someone is lying to you about the failure of FF16 or Rebirth, ask him for proof greater than just some spouting of Twitter roosters.

>>714711262 (OP)
Only thing I would change with the original FFIX would be to make Lani and Beatrix optional characters and add an appropriate amount of dialogue and sidequests like Yuffie and Vincent in FFVII if they join. Actually, I wouldn't mind more superbosses either. Ehhhh maybe have Dagger sing more than just that time in Dali if Zidane's going to reference "their song" at the end. I bet me and only like 4 other autists even knew what the fuck he was talking about that long after it happened. That's it though.

>>714733058
Until we get to Lindblum where Garnet starts acting like an idiot anyway.

>>714735637
seethe schizo

>>714735889
Keep using buzzwords.

>>714735834
Doesn't she sing in Linblum and Madain Sari as well? It's definitely more than once

>>714728178
>majority of you niggers shit on the 7 remake
Because it's not a remake. 7r is a sequel fanfic abomination

>>714732258
>They are emotional characters who do things based on how they feel
That is cliched and overplayed, here is another pic for you:

>>714735961
I genuinely don't remember her singing in those parts after beating the game 3 times, but my last playthrough was roughly 14 years ago so I could be misremembering.

>>714725749
>Freya toasting with Beatrix
The hell is this shit??

>>714736048
Nah, it’s a true remake with a lot of expanded lore.

>>714736093
Freya understands the power structure of medieval militaries

>>714711567
But enough about ff8

>>714732258
>Hell, he did do the same thing when he ditched Tantalus to go help Dagger in the first place.
Only because Baku was being an ass and was going to leave Garnet to the plant monsters (which also would have landed him in hot water with Cid, his friend who trusted him to safely get his niece out of Alexandria, great writing there, Square), did you forget that Blank helped Zidane rescue Garnet? If I were Zidane, I would have been really upset with her after Blank in the attempt to rescue her only for her to decide to blow me off and make the whole thing meaningless.

>>714734767
>no argument

>>714716171
>>714716306
And how long did the original game take to cover this over the remake again?

>>714735753
>>714735810

>>714736069
I know this is a foreign concept for you, but Zidane was experiencing something called empathy. He can imagine what Dagger was thinking and why she did what she did, and he knows that he probably would have done the same thing if he were in her position.
You're basically mad that Zidane does things that are established to be in character instead of being an autist about it like you would be. As for him "not acting like a real teenage boy" he went on his big soul searching journey before the game started, as we learn in Black Mage Village. He's pretty content with his life and he thinks he knows a lot. That's his role in the early parts of the story, he's the worldly adventurer giving out advice to Vivi and Dagger

>>714734486
>they make perfectly valid points
lol

what sort of kimono's would the cast of FFIX wear on Tanabata?

>>714736480
That is the argument, it didn’t change anything, it added something, also Nomura himself says about these worlds: "These fragments definitely contain "that FF7" that lives in the imagination of each player. They are all FF7, but each version has its own differences." That is, these are headcanons, among other things. And if Aerith's death in the original was an unexpected and sudden tragedy, then this moment, where Cloud creates a world with a living Aerith, is a reflection of how many players refused to accept this tragedy. Since the developers could no longer play the surprise card here, and since the remake was being developed in the context of a colossal fan demand for a remake, this context was embedded in the narrative itself. What will they do with this next? The question is open.

>>714736487
Way too quickly and rushed. When I first played the original VII (which I downloaded on the PS3), I didn't even know that there were innocent civilians that died from the reactor explosion. When Cait Sith said this, I was like "Huh, what, innocent people died?". It was all poorly established.

In fact, it was only thanks to the remake that I was able to adequately parse the pre-rendered background of the area that Cloud and the others first enter right after the reactor explodes from the original game. After all, you spend most of your time in Midgar in all sorts of garbage dump looking areas, so here everything was perceived as just another garbage dump. But in reality, if you look closely: a large fragment of the reactor wall hit a residential building, which was clearly intact before that. But again, it's pretty hard to notice.

>>714736617
Then Zidane’s character sucks and needs to be rewritten as a less cliched and more dramatic character who feels betrayed by his waifu.

>>714736459
You are not Zidane. You do not think like Zidane. Stop trying to self-insert into this scenario.
Also she helped save Blank. Her connection with Tot is how Marcus was able to get the Supersoft.

>>714736617
Just how empathetic do you think Garnet was when she decided that her uncle and her friends were so wrong telling her not to go see Brahne that she decided she had to drug them all in order to do what she wanted?

>>714736568
I accept your concession.

>>714736813
>When I first played the original VII (which I downloaded on the PS3), I didn't even know that there were innocent civilians that died from the reactor explosion.
They make all that perfectly obvious. It's a plot point many other people understood far before you played the game. I for one didn't need to dwell on the first bombing mission for 3 hours while everything was spelled out for me

>>714736617
It still amazes me when I sometimes see people in their 30s and 40s who will play FF9 for the first time and what they see of Zidane in disk one, they think that's him just being a cheeky chappy, horny teen.
I've seen plenty of people not hit that realisation that a lot of Zidane's personality is a front, it's not necessarily a facade but it's a way of him coping with not knowing with who he is, where he comes from, and why he was left alone.
They see Zidane being 16 and a horny teen and they don't ever go beyond that Preach gaming for example completely misread and got ff9 inside and out because he is something of a retard

>>714736927
>Also she helped save Blank. Her connection with Tot is how Marcus was able to get the Supersoft.
Bullshit, Tantalus would have gotten the supersoft without her, Garnet contributed nothing to that, nor does it cancel out all the death she caused by running home like an idiot and giving her mother her eidolons.

>>714727682
BDSP's issues were that they threw away all the improvements they made in Platinum. Diamond and Pearl were panned pretty hard for its numerous issues at launch, and they brought all of them back for the remake, even though they had fixed those issues fifteen years prior.

>>714737071
Speak for yourself, not everyone got that impression, the remake does a much better job conveying the impact of what just happened with the reactor explosion, contrast this with the original game which has the Avalanche group present it as: "Heh, well, we're great, eh :D", and doesn't even ask any questions of civilian casualties. It's not even until near the end of the second disk (when the Diamond Weapon is heading for Midgar) when this is actually brought up between Barret and Reeve (the latter talking through his Cait Sith robot) and he reminds him of the dead from Mako Reactor 1's explosion.

Heck, For comparison, in the original game Aerith steals this ENTIRE scene. Some NPCs are running back and forth, it is not clear what they want to say by this: maybe the explosion excited them so much? You don't pay attention to the fact that everything is broken and upside down, because in the foreground there is a girl in a pink dress who immediately comes to offer you to buy flowers… despite there just being a huge EXPLOSION nearby a couple of minutes ago.

Compare this area with what the original shows for it: The problem is that it is in no way connected with the previous one, and in general it is not clear what it is. Fountain with a bench? OK. A guy here looks at the Avalanche graffiti and starts thinking, not acting like it seemed the worst explosion of his life just happened two blocks away from him. As a result, this location gives nothing to understand what sector 8 looks like and breaks the mood a little.

>>714735810
If it sold less than DD2 isn't it already proof that FFVII rebirth was a flop? DD2 sold 3.7 million, so no matter what rebirth was a massive sales drop from remake.

>>714737281
BDSP didn’t have the originals slow battle speed though.

what are the chances that FF7 part 3 gets cancelled?

>>714737104
I never even implied that, I am just complaining about Zidane being a cliched and boring character and a bad husbando who doesn’t have proper drama or justified anger with his love interest who treats him like crap.
The start of Disc 3 is where I seriously started hating Zidane, because his motivation is to simp for Garnet.
There's no significance in their relationship, so it just feels like Zidane is simping for Garnet. She drugged him, ignores her kingdom's involvement in war crimes (everyone does really), gets jealous over an abandoned six year old receiving attention (Eiko), but the story wants us to be convinced that Garnet is the love of Zidane's life.
Which is the fundamental problem with FF9 - it knows the themes it wants to tackle and it wants to have these big emotional moments, but it goes about it so poorly to the point where it comes off as pretentious at times.

>>714737439
Pretty low that it gets cancelled, but I could see the budget going down significantly for the last part.

>>714737613
Counter argument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8hvNlIeY8A

>>714736713
>made cloud try to stop the attack
>made it so whispers are there
>made it so multiverse shit is there
>didn't change anything
Why do faggot lie about this shit? Is Square paying you to do this or do you do it for free?

>>714736927
>You are not Zidane. You do not think like Zidane.
That’s because Zidane is a shitty character, if I wrote him I would make him far more attached and devoted to Garnet and never leave her side, and Garnet would be a far more likable character who is quickly blow away by Zidane’s character and act like a fawning schoolgirl over him.

Why would anyone want a Remake after what they've been doing to 7 over the years

>>714737916
I don't want a Remake, I've been very vocal and repeated that sentiment many times.
I have my perfect FF9 with the Moguri mod, I don't need anything else.

>>714737825
The “You’re not alone” is one of the most forced moments in IX. The way the themes it was trying to convey were handled felt incredibly forced. The most egregious one is the “You’re not alone!” scene. I felt like bashing my head against the wall because of how badly that was handled. I would’ve liked IX better had it stuck to a more lighthearted feel and more focus on the romance but of course it had to become more serious and incoherent as it went on which absolutely didn’t work for me at all. One of the worst games in the series in my opinion and certainly the worst PS1 era game. People criticize VIII for things like Squall being so aloof and the drawing of spells but Squall and the reason for his being aloof was shown to us over the course of the game and by the end he gradually opened up more and more. Zidane was a boring generic thief type character who had a forced existential crisis toward the end of the game that was glossed over fairly fast and a weak love story with the main female character Garnet who treats him like crap and blows him off for most of the game while he never calls her out on it and just simps for her.

>>714737916
>>714738030
Yes, I want a Remake, cope and seethe nostalgia freaks.
>>714737835
You just don’t get the meta narrative.

>>714738035
>Doesn't like 'You're not Alone'
Do you hate fun?
You know what, if you hate that scene then you hate FF9 then what are you doing here? You're bitching about a game that is 25 years old with other old fags, that fuck is wrong with you?

>>714737439
i just finish it at this point. you have northern crater, the icicle inn backstory, raid on midgar (which might be split), Ever Crisis content might get in to feature Matt and Lucia if they're alive and we know Glenn is dead. Hell, maybe Glenn is alive, in another timeline. Hell. I wont be surprised if they do a part 3 of part 1 and part 3 of part 2 to save time. How will they deal with the Knights ofthe Round, or Cetra Knights?

>>714738108
>y-you just didn't get it
Here we go, the next cope in the shill playbook.

really thats it? a deltarune thread died for this, you monsters

>>714711262 (OP)
>FFIX special anniversary movie
Sony exclusive?

>>714719792
>fanfiction.net
bruh

>>714737825
And everything, all the drama was just removed by hand. When everyone else wanted to help, they were left behind, when Garnet said the same thing to Zidane, the point dropped immediately. Wow, what amazing drama, "BEST GAME EVAH", ooh. And yet Garnet's angst overwhelms the entire game… This is what I mean when I say that Garnet has way too much angst while Zidane has too little.

This whole forced scene was just a cheap knock off of Cloud's mind screw and being put in a wheelchair from FFVII, but the reason why Cloud's worked so well was because the entire game builds up to that one climactic moment from the very beginning. (The flashbacks and memory flashes, the voice in Cloud's head, etc.) But in IX, it's completely tacked-on.

What also made the original plot point better in VII than with the repeat in IX was that, it was kept solely between Cloud and Tifa (Tifa staying by Cloud's side when he was in the wheel chair suffering from Mako Poisoning, and going into Cloud's subconscious) it wasn't some cheesy and cliché "friendship" speech and platonic nonsense, it clearly focused on romance at the forefront and emphasized the love story of Cloud and Tifa since childhood and showing the memories of said childhood. (And keep in mind that VII didn't even have a love song as it's main theme like IX did, or VIII and X) The same can be said about in VIII with the scene on the Ragnarok airship with Squall and Rinoa with "Eyes on Me" playing, or in X where Tidus and Yuna are kissing in the pond underwater in Macalania Woods with "Isn't it Wonderful?" playing.

IX however, didn't make it solely between Zidane and Garnet and just made it an annoying "friendship speech" that once again undermines the love story that this game tries and hypes up so much. Later it will just force a moment of Zidane and Garnet with a teleporter that has eyeballs on it.

>>714738158
VII is even older than IX and it still had better writing and execution than IX did. Also, IX is clearly getting a remake soon, so it can fix these issues.

>>714737892
I genuinely can't tell if you're the same autist or someone else doing a bit

>>714738158
See>>714738361

>>714738340
He's being sarcastic, that's why his proof is from a site called "fanfiction".

>>714738446
I wanted the cute and wholesome fairy tale I was promised, IX did not deliver. It’s an incoherent mess.

Reminder

>>714715840
>Almost always the VII remake either remains true to the original or does everything better. The original VII
stopped reading

>>714738548
I’m not being sarcastic, fanfiction is just one of the places were I can post a detailed review of IX and comment through it’s script.

>>714738698
Says the guy using a pic of Aonuma, the guy who gave us Tears of the Kingdom, a shitty sequel to BotW that completely contradicts it’s predecessor and is full of retcons and shits on the whole series’ lore.

>>714738525
Look, it's the 25th anniversary of a beloved game for a lot of us why do you autists feel the need to be like this? Just move on if you hate the game so much. It's not going to change and you're certainly not going to change my love and deep nostalgia for the game. All you're doing is pissing on me and saying it's raining.

>>714738868
Keep telling yourself that when the IX Remake is announced and they are going to change things like the VII Remakes are doing. That’s why I am doing this, to raise awareness for the OG’s problems that could be fixed in a Remake.

how much of part III is left. There's Mideel, the Weapons, Northern Crater, the Highwind, Midgar, Junon, Golden Chocobo, Lucrecia, rocket town, submarine, Wutai....shit can they cram everything in?

>>714738030
I want the Remake to actually finish subplots that were clearly unfinished in the original game, like the Freya/Frately subplot and what caused his amnesia, giving Amarant a much better story, to better explore the Black Mages (They are made from the Mist, and the Mist is actually the souls of deceased Gaians, that would mean that the Black Mages are actually dead people that have been temporarily resurrected into artificial bodies, literal ghosts inside the shells, but the original game never really acknowledges and explores this and instead opts to cheaply rip off from 'Blade Runner' which really doesn’t fit) and to make Kuja a better sympathetic and tragic character instead of acting like a cartoon villain for most of the game. I want a much better and focused love story like the original game promised instead of Dagger ignoring Zidane most of the game to whine about her crazy mother, drug and abandon him to run back home like an idiot and being a bad waifu.

>>714736927
I can name tons of romances from other games and anime/manga that were quickly developed and were way more interesting than Zidane and Garnet’s:

FFVII, VIII, X and XIII
Strike the Blood
Rosario+Vampire
NGE: Shinji Ikari Raising Project
Naruto and Hinata
Valkyrie Drive Mermaid
Yamada-Kun and the Seven Witches
Shinmai Maou no Testament
Xenoblade
Monster Girl Doctor
Maken-Ki
Re:Zero
Sailor Moon

>>714738995
Is English not your first language? Nowhere in my post did I reference a supposed Remake, nor do I want it. Calm down now.

>>714739436
I was must explaining why I am doing this, anon. You are the one who asked why.

>>714738801
Zelda never gave a fuck about its lore/story and no one with a brain does either

>>714739082
I think you're missing a crucial point here, FF9 was a passion project of Sakaguchi's as his return to a more traditional fantasy FF game more reminiscent of the first FF game.
The point here is, if there is a remake it won't be done and overseen by the 'Gooch nor the team Hawaii team who made FF9 but it'll be some Business unit within Square Enix and I don't trust them, I don't think they have the talent to remake it nor the ability to maintain the original vision.
The only reason FFT's is getting a remaster is because on of the original directors is still working at Square Enix who worked on FFTs but for FF9, it won't mean anything without Sakaguchi.

>>714739587
Congratulations, you just used one of the laziest Zelda arguments: https://youtu.be/aQzORdnaYKs?si=MUTsPkjUMZKB5NAd

>>714739761
what's next, you're going to criticize the lore of mario?

>>714728178
>the 7 remake
Remake and Rebirth aren't a remake. They're new stories, bub. Aerith and Sephiroth being aware of what has already occurred in past games makes them sequels with time travel shenanigans and alternate timelines going on.

>>714739682
I’m fine with that, Sakaguchi is a hack when it comes to writing and IX shows that most of all.

>>714736143
Sephiroth and Aerith literally have knowledge of what already occurred in the original storyline, with Sephiroth actively trying to change the past. It's a sequel.

>>714739837
The difference between Mario and Zelda is how miyamoto of all people phrased it. I've always felt that the Mario games themselves aren't particularly suited to having a very heavy story.' The Legend of Zelda games, he feels, should have deep storylines but not Mario."

>>714739849
Yeah well you're wrong, FF as a series crumbled without the vision of the Gooch. There were a lot of other talented people who contributed and worked on FF games but Saka was the 'tard wrangler at Square Soft that was able to bring all that talent together. Kitase and Nomura, I respect them and I personally have a fond place in my heart for FF8 but FF9 is my favourite.

>>714739843
It’s not time travel or alternative timelines, the lifestream transcends time and space, and there are dream worlds within the lifestream.

>>714739990
Some of the good games of FF (VII, X and XII) were all made/written/designed by people way more talented. Same went with Mistwalker. Lost Odyssey was mostly made and written by others (Daisuke Fukugawa, and good parts of the plot (like the text stories, world concept and characters) were done by Kiyoshi Shigematsu), while the games Sakaguchi did have more input on are the ones nobody fucking remembers. What input Sakaguchi DID have on the good
entries with his name slapped on them were so absolutely minuscule, and usually rewritten/redesigned by other people anyway.

This is the man who was entirely responsible for The Spirit's Within. A movie so bad it damn near ruined the company, and is the main reason why Square has been so shit afterwards. Even when his name was being paraded around for FFXV, it still turned out to be a train wreck.

He also wanted FFIX/X and every game onwards to have PlayOnline integration.

>>714728178
>majority of you niggers shit on the 7 remake
Because it's bad and Nomura is a hack, stupid shill.

>>714740217
The whispers weren’t even Nomura’s idea, you scapegoating asshole. The real hack is Sakaguchi. >>714740185

Garnet

>>714740284
but that would mean i'd have to blame sakaguchi for something and not the gamefaqs accepted scapegoat

>>714740329
I appreciate your honesty.

>>714740185
>while the games Sakaguchi did have more input on are the ones nobody fucking remembers
Why do you autists write the stupidest shit on here?
What's the purpose, for bait, to piss people off, to get a reaction? Just stop it.

>>714740462
I see that you are seething because you have no counter argument and the guy you idealize isn’t as great as you thought he was.

>>714738701
>I’m not being sarcastic
Oh, then you're just a retard.

>duur sakaguchi bad nomura/kitase good

the worst classic FF game is 8 which sakaguchi has the least involvement in, while the best one is 9 which had some of his most

>>714740594
Keep coping and seething.

>>714738801
>you used a reaction pic so that means I win!

>>714740615
Wrong.

>>714740706
Not my point.
>>714740615
See pic

>>714740589
You're talking with people in their 30s and 40s.
You're not in your teens anymore.

>>714740738
Most of what is said about Zidane here is just plainly incorrect

>>714740950
It neatly sums up how bland Zidane is compared to Cloud and Squall. At least Cloud and Squall didn’t get drugged and abandoned by their waifus.

>>714740124

>>714711567
3 Lightning games exist. That meme for IX is long dead.

>>714737319
>>714736568

>>714741098
I mean, it’s not reality, it’s just dreams made up of people’s wishes, vastly different from multiverse bullshit.

>>714740217
>Final Fantasy VII Remake expands on the Midgar story arc significantly. When developing the game, how did you decide on the parts that you wanted to expand?
>Kitase: I personally envisioned quite a dramatic change overall, but our director; Tetsuya Nomura and co-director; Naoki Hamaguchi, wanted to keep the beloved aspects in the original as much as possible. Eventually the development team decided to focus on respecting the original while adding in new elements, ensuring a delicate balance between the two.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/05/interview_final_fantasy_vii_remake_producer_and_co-director_on_development_launch_and_being_grateful_for_the_fans

>Nomura: I sometimes watch videos where people are analyzing or reacting to things I have worked on and see the word “Nomuraism” associated with lines or concepts I didn't even write
>Nomura: I see things like “this feels very Nomura to me” being said, and I think to myself “but that literally was not me…” (laughs)
https://x.com/aitaikimochi/status/1755117665658757248

>>714741263
>slap your name onto a bunch of shit with time travel elements and poorly written plots
>shocked when people associate you with it

>>714741438
>slap your name onto a bunch of shit with time travel elements and poorly written plots
Keep being in denial and parroting those dumb memes: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2020/04/final-fantasy-vii-remake-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/03/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-1.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>714740124
>It’s not time travel or alternative timelines
>there are dream worlds
so it's just ripping off of FFX?

>>714741239
So it's an even more worthless category of "What If?" events?

>>714711567
fpbp

>>714741438
I don't think Nomura can predict what people will or won't blame him for when they're pretending the original Playstation game was a tightly woven and timeless classic and not pretty reflective of contemporary trash anime for its time

>>714711262 (OP)
>SPECIAL MOVIE
>it's just stuff from the game
....wtf is wrong with these people?

>>714741053
It doesn't sum up anything because it's mostly wrong.
Zidane has a soul, that's what sets him, Kuja, and Mikoto apart from the other Genomes.
He wasn't "shut down remotely" he was thrown to Gaia to die because Kuja was jealous that Zidane was his replacement.
Then yes, Tantalus adopted him and became his new family. After spending time with Tantalus Zidane wanted to find out where he really came from. He traveled the continent, meeting various people along the way, only to find nothing because his memories are so sparse that he has nothing to work with and no one to ask. So he returns to Tantalus and realises that his birthplace doesn't really matter, he already has a home and a family. He then uses this newfound wisdom to help Vivi on his journey of self-discovery, hoping that Vivi can learn the same lessons that he did.

>>714741584
>So it's an even more worthless category of "What If?" events?
No, see: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/06/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-6.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>714741635
That’s just one scene though. Also Zidane’s main motivation is Garnet,

>>714741692
If you can't summarize all that BS into a single paragraph I guarantee it isn't worth reading

>>714741635
Zidane doesn't have events to recount. Just several failed attempts at helping people and one big "deep" scene where he learns his stupid backstory and gets sad

I heard a lot that all FF9 chraracters aren't virgins. Is that true?

>>714741239
>physical place you can go to
>has different copies of the existing world
>is used to bring back popular dead characters into the story
>has another copy of an important plot object the main cast needs after the original one is lost or broken
>vastly different from multiverse bullshit

>>714741854
Okay: And I'll say it again: this is all within the canon. Iris as the ruler of the lifestream was in the original. Iris, who tells Cloud important things like "I never blamed you" and makes personal miracles out of the lifestream for Cloud, was in the AC.

And if we ask the question "why was it necessary to change it?" - then it is impossible to achieve the same emotional response by simply repeating the old. The original FF7 stood largely on three key plot pillars. One is Cloud as an unreliable narrator, an emphatically weak hero who finds strength only when he admits his weakness and comes to terms with his true past. The second is the enigmatic antagonist, whom we hardly see in person for half the game, only briefly, but he puts snakes on toothpicks, everyone talks about him and everyone is afraid of him. And the third is the sudden death of Iris, who was so lively and optimistic, who was already predicted to marry Cloud, who was sure that now she would take Seph and continue to fly on the Highwind.

And the last two points are disposable. When you know Sef inside and out, there is no point in pretending that he is some kind of very mysterious person. When you know that Iris will die, the most important effect of the unexpected death of the central heroine is already lost. Therefore, the remake greatly changes both Sef and Iris, while adding a new storyline and new intrigue, so that it is not like the players know everything in advance, that everything is clear to them.

The roles of Seph and Aerith remain the same. The details change. So, in the original, Seph ignored Cloud until the scene after the Temple of the Ancients disappeared. Then he twisted him around like a pawn, and after the crater, he didn’t have a single line. His presence was expanded, and the connection with Cloud was made the main focus - like in AC. Aerith was made a know-it-all in the first remake, but they returned her usual self in the second part.

>>714741923
Because it’s NOT real physical worlds, it’s just dream worlds on the spiritual plane. This video sums it up: https://youtu.be/Y2PNbO-YO3w?si=hcmTK1sgcO2Z7vNC

>>714741964
And that scene with Cloud deflecting Sephiroth's sword - it's largely due to the players' desire to save her. You won't find another video game character who has been so eagerly resurrected. Players refused to accept that she was gone forever. And if the lifestream can make hopes and wishes come true, then...

...then you still need to acknowledge reality and learn to live with it, the game tells us. Literally everyone in the temple of the ancients goes through this - everyone except Cloud. Everyone relives their traumas, and then Iris gives a monologue about how this is how we will all become stronger than Seph. Through acceptance.

In general, by the end of the rebers, the discourse again comes down to the usual Japanese hope vs. despair. Again, Iris and Seph personified these things in AC, Seph even voiced it. Now Iris also has a monologue about how it is precisely by acknowledging and letting go of the past that one can gain strength to build a new future. And Seph, with his articulation of worlds, plans to make condensed milk out of negative emotions.

The same theme comes up in Zack's script. He's the one who never loses heart. He's wasted five years of his life on nothing, lost almost everything, barely survived, his friend is a vegetable, his girlfriend is cute to his vegetable friend, the world is ending, but Zack still doesn't give up - and creates new worlds with his willpower. In contrast to him is Biggs, who after a miraculous resurrection can't find a place for himself: he suffers from the fact that he's lost his friends, that he's lost the meaning of life, that he's an NPC and doesn't decide anything and can't achieve anything. He gives up - and dies ingloriously. According to Sef, worlds that "accepted their fate" also die this way. Perhaps these worlds can last longer if their inhabitants, like Zack, are resilient. However, that won't make them eternal.

>>714741438
Nojima wrote Kingdom Hearts too lmao

why is always 2 niggers shitting up FF9 threads?

>>714742148
In general, we were promised an ending that could flow into Advent Children, but it seems to me that it would contradict the spirit of remakes. Iris -already- told Cloud the words from AC. Remake-3 should be the final-final chapter, the last FF7 from Kitase, and he has said more than once that he wants a happy ending for the heroes. The seven had an open ending, and from AC we know that the happy ending did not happen because of unclosed gestalts. Moreover, we have new Gi here, for whom it was promised to find a final solution. And Jenova (and Sef?) is immortal precisely because she is an alien, like Gi, and is not part of the lifestream. So, perhaps, the solution will be common. It will also solve the issue with the eternal Sef: after all, he promised to return after the AC, and while Sef exists, Iris cannot allow herself to rest in peace, because no one except her can hold him back. Therefore, I expect a new answer to these questions from the third part, and not what was in the original, where the heroes only beat Sef, but did nothing even with the meteor.

Overall, the ending of the remake left quite a few questions, but it is perceived much calmer than the ending of the remake. That one could be read as "we do whatever we want from now on", but in fact the narrative remained very close to the original source (and continued to improve it), and the new storyline is more or less within the framework of what the original was about. I bet that these "we will change fate" and "we promise nothing about the ending", which end remake-1 and remake-2, apply specifically to the ending of remake-3, which will be able to put a fat point in this whole story with a decent happy ending.

>>714742050
>n-no you see just because you can physically go there doesn't mean it's physical haha
Kill yourself.

>>714741964
People replay FF7 all the time, they don't care that they know the story inside and out, they care that the story affects them so much they're willing to experience it over and over again. What they wanted from a remake was to experience essentially the same story but in modern graphics. This is why people almost invariably complain about Remake being a sequel rather than a remake.
Thanks for vindicating me about that wall of text being bullshit.

>>714742278
It’s just within the lifestream, not a “whole other universe” bullshit. Stop making false equivalencies.

>>714741784
His journey to discover himself is told in one scene, but the outcome of that is shown every time he gives advice to Vivi and Dagger. It's why he bonds with Vivi so easily, they have a lot in common, with the big twist being that they have even more in common than he initially thought.
You're Not Alone works because it's Zidane being floored by the reality of his past, despite the fact that he had originally decided it wasn't important. It's over quickly because the party collectively comes together to help him and call him out for ignoring his own advice.

>>714742305
It’s not a sequel, it’s a true remake with lots of expanded lore.
>What they wanted from a remake was to experience essentially the same story but in modern graphics.
That’s a remaster, not a remake. And Ever Crisis already did that.

>>714742332
>It’s just within the lifestream
That you can physically go to you faggot shill.

>>714713741
Insanely retarded statement when it turned out that x had some of hte best music the entire series ever had, uematsu knocked out ot of the fucking park, and a lot of it is INCREDIBLY emotional

>>714742359
The “Not alone” scene was just a forced ripoff of Cloud’s mind fuck from VII. It’s also double standard bullshit because Zidane gets called out for thinking he could do something on his own, but Garnet never was and hers had way worse results.

Zidane "I want to think so! That's why I always..." "Look, I'm not from Gaia. I was just a hairsbreath from becoming the destroyer of Alexandria!" "I can't accept your friendship so easily!"

Oh... oh. Wait, what? First off, you are, again, undermining your love for Garnet by using the term "friendship" here.

Secondly: "I told you all to go eff yourselves and called you insults, because I have a family of assholes (though that mostly applies to only Kuja) and I didn't want to burden you with my problems"…

That's your excuse, Zidane?!

In general, it seems to me that Sakaguchi just simply came up with a scene in which Zidane limps through fights and tells everyone to piss off with "beautiful music", and then he attributed what should precede it and how it should end with everything just pulled right out of his ass.

No, seriously: Zidane says "I almost became the destroyer of Alexandria", what the heck? He had no prerequisites for this! He's not a freaking mage, he was raised on Gaia, he didn't know about anything at all! And yes, he is a miserable rag, who does not know how to do anything at all in battle, unlike Kuja, despite being supposed to be better than him and yet couldn't even beat Beatrix in her bullshit fights.

>>714742515
Not really, Cloud was just unconscious when he went into Aerith’s dream world near the end of Rebirth, he wasn’t “physically” there, and then he woke up in the ancient forest.

>Noticed that FF9 is on sale on steam for like 7 bucks
>Got enough money to buy FF12 as well

Are the PC versions of these games worth the money?
I've read up on both of them online and FF9 is almost at the point where community mods have remade the game (stuff like voice acting, 1080p+ backgrounds, new 3D models, some gameplay mods that add alternate ways to play the game, etc) which makes it sound more than worth the 7 bucks but FF12 seems a bit shaky, apparently the Switch version has more content but it can't run at 60 fps and it runs at 720p while the PC version has some missing content and some technical problems but it can run at 4k 60 fairly easily.

>>714717308
>doesn't consider 8 a masterpiece
>is shocked that the game after it isn't a masterpiece too

>>714742359
Garland seems to be nullifying Zidane and removing his soul from his body, lowering him to the level of an ordinary genome, well… at least from what we can understand from his words anyways, and he himself is clearly able to do this, he is a demiurge here, after all.

And Zidane himself is saying: "yes, I'm empty" ... and then immediately recognizes Vivi and Eiko. What the heck? Here, you can't even say that he prevented Garland from sucking out his soul with some dumb POWER OF WILL or LOVE FOR FRIENDS nonsense (which just undermines the love story of Zidane and Garnet), there is nothing like that in this scene. He sits on a black background and laments "I'm shit, I'm empty, screw everyone, I'm screwed up." This, firstly, is not what Garland promised to do (because Zidane's soul remained in his body), and secondly, it is completely out of character for no reason.

And Garland just lays him in a random chamber somewhere in Pandemonium… WITHOUT LOOKING OVER AND GUARDING HIM?!

Yes, that happens. Garland just effs off to the top of Pandemonium, leaving Zidane just laying around unguarded to be found and rescued. Wow, "really smart". Why doesn't Garland have Zidane's soul inside of a jar somewhere already?

>>714742712
Is this a FFIX thread? Or is it about your gay boyfriend FFVII like the rest of the FFVII orbiters?

>>714742435
>It’s not a sequel
You literally need to have experienced the original game to understand what's going it, it's the very definition of a sequel.
>That’s a remaster, not a remake
Do you honestly consider FF8 Remastered and the Pixel Remasters representative of modern graphics? Why do they lookand play infinitely more like the original games while Remake and Rebirth look and play nothing like the original FF7?

>>714742763
Meh, VIII was still better than IX and it’s trainwreck of a love story.

How does vivi get his dick inside Quina

>>714742726
FF9 is definitely worth it. Moguri Mod is great, and it comes with some other nice shit that fixes flaws from the original game like disabling auto trance. Don't get the voice acting mod though.

>>714742816
>had no argument.

>>714742712
>literally goes there and brings an object (white materia) back to his world
>n-no you see he wasn't physically there it was a le dream
Just fucking stop already you faggot.

>>714717308
>10
>Masterpiece
lol, lmao even. I have no clue how you can call the characters in FF9 annoying and at the same time love FF10

>>714742891
Quina has a mouth.

>>714711262 (OP)
>just a bunch of cutscenes from the game
can square enix just go bankrupt already

>>714743087
DAMN, Vivi fucked this?

>>714743094

>>714743086
Because the characters in IX didn’t cause the deaths of tons of innocent people and were whiny momma’s girls.

>>714742359
See >>714738361

>>714741263
Nomura wasn't a writer but he was the director in charge of the story...which gives him more say in the story than the writers

IX coasts a lot on being nostalgic and nothing else. In my experience, a lot of people who claim to like it ignore the game itself and just focus on it making shout-outs to older FF games and being medieval as if that's all an FF game needs to be "good". I had a lot more fun with the sci-fi mash-ups that tried something unique than with IX, which feels like it's merely aping a generic setting without understanding how to make it work. It also contains Garnet, a poisonous character to the plot that completely derails most of the game and the main love story with Zidane that the game tries to hype up so much and treat like a big deal.

>>714744327
Whatever helps you cope with you using Nomura as a scapegoat.

>>714742168
Nojima only wrote for KH1 and KH2. 2 is kind of a stinker with the story but not nearly as bad as what comes after. Nomura become the main writer with Days and beyond

>>714744360
Nah IX is so well paced actually outside of battles. It doesn’t grab me as much as VII but it flows so nicely. Nice cast, gorgeous locales, great music, it all just comes together perfectly.

There's nothing about FFIX that makes it better than VII or VIII, in fact it's a regressive step backwards. It's just that people are more familiar with the previous two whereas IX was released at an awkward time between the PS1 and PS2 so not as many people played it and it didn't get anywhere near the media coverage because people were already talking about FFX which was out in Japan by the time IX was in the west.

Because of this it has a bit of protected status because it is never given the same scrutiny so fans of it can proclaim it "the good one" without anywhere near as much backlash from those who critique the FF games. But anyone with a little care to objective criticism can see the deep flaws in it's design and the rushed nature of being put together while most of Square were working on FFX and PlayOnline.

>>714741550
Bro even SoP has that shit because ff1 centers around a time loop and that is undoubtedly his. Discounting that his name is tied to garbage since 2 KH

>>714744547
Not a real argument. Stop shilling.

>>714744557
Dude play VIII and IX again back to back just the first hour or so. It’s night and day how much better IX is.

>>714744587
Whatever, see >>714741263

>>714744625
>describes what is good about the game
>not an argument

Ok retard.

I’d like to point out to all the Nomura haters that if it wasn’t for Nomura, the original VII would have done this.

>>714744710
You didn’t, you just made a bunch of baseless claims while ignoring the actual game itself, especially in regards to things like Garnet’s stupidity.

>>714744639
I almost respect VIII just for how hard it leans into being incoherent schizophrenic garbage. Stuff like NORG will stay with me til my deathbed

>>714744998
It was just held back by hardware limitations.

>>714744547
>Best FF
>lowest selling game on PS1
>people still don't buy it even 2 decades after supposedly being handicapped by the PS2 and FFX being released shortly after and all the internet hipsters screeching that it's the best

>>714744685
Ironic that you quote squall considering people noticed this shot since ffviii

>>714744998
>>714744639
IX goes downhill after Disk 1 Lindblum when Garnet starts being a dumbass.

>>714745196
I wasn’t intentionally quoting Squall, but keep cherry picking.

>>714745241
it goes downhill near the end of disc 3. You're confusing 9 with 8

>>714745179
What does sales have to do about how good it is? Games that sell more are usually worse because they cater to the general population of retards

>>714745297
No, I am not. At least VIII didn’t have an idiot princess who risks dozens of lives to escape her murderous mother, witnesses tons of evidence of her mother's genocidal tendancies, then decides that no, her mother can't be mean and she'll just run all the way home and have a friendly chat with her and get to the bottom of this. Thus rendering massive sections of the game pointless. Not to mention all the people that die because of it, and she ABANDONS the guy who loves her and she never gets called out on any of this.

Because she's just. Stupid.

Okay, I guess she's not technically the protagonist....oh no, wait, I had to walk her through large sections of her stupidity, didn't I? And unlike FF8, there was no voice of reason telling her she was being stupid, selfish child that needed to grow the hell up. We were supposed to feel sorry for her.
Seriously, FF9 puts in castles and airships and apparently that's all it takes for people to worship it as the second coming.

>>714745381
>Games that sell more are usually worse because they cater to the general population of retards
Spoken like an elitist ass.

>>714745495
Buddy, she's 16

>>714745552
So do you think Minecraft is the best game ever made?

>>714745689
It’s a crafting game for people to build and share stuff. I haven’t even played that ga e yet

>>714745689
If it's money we are talking about, the "best" game ever made probably still is Dungeon Fighter Online, and yes that's correct.

>>714745619
I’m really getting tired of hearing the “she’s 16!” excuse, Eiko was less than half that age and not even she did anything that unbelievably stupid. Garnet is also not a normal 16 year old, she is supposed to be highly educated, intelligent and was taught by many tutors (like Doctor Tot) Look at other princess characters that were the same age from other series like Marle from Chrono Trigger who had weapon training, knowledge of blending in in public, and even managed to wing her way through getting thrown back in time until the paradox caught up to her. Or Vivi from One Piece who was able to infiltrate a secret criminal organization for two years to find out the boss’ identity.

>>714745381
People are constantly claiming that the ONLY reason FF9 sold underwhelmingly was due to being released just before the PS2 dropped. If you agree sales don't matter then tell the people crying about FF9's release date to STFU.

>>714745619
She's the 16 years old (basically a young adult by 18th century standards) Princess of Alexandria. And the flaw is that she isn't ever presented as a naive/stupid person, but rather the opposite as we are supposed to feel that she already is mature. So how come she can't grasp the political situation here? Even if you want to act like she couldn't realize that by herself, Cid warned her about the situation in a rather explicit way:

Regent Cid
I once promised your father <gwok>, that should anything happen, I would protect you. We've known about the disturbances in Alexandria for some time. But had we acted directly, it would've started a war. So, I asked Baku for help. He and I go way back. The play was the perfect cover to enter Alexandria and get you out. No one would suspect Lindblum was behind it. We were <gwok> forced to take action, because we knew Alexandria would never seek our help. I'm relieved we were able to get you here.

As said previously, Blank got petrified in the process, she poisoned and betrayed the trust of Zidane and Vivi who had both saved her life directly at least once, her uncle who was fulfilling her father's dying wish of protecting her and a freshly arrived Freya. She also wasted the sacrifice of all those Black Mages on the airship who were trying to stop Black Waltz #3.

FF9's narrative is so ridiculously praised, yet the community gave so much s*** to Quistis and Rinoa for their minor stupid mistakes in FF8.

When FFVIII does it, at least these characters faced the consequences of their actions. And in the end, the damage dealt by their mistakes were minimal compared to Garnet's which led to several locations being destroyed and the insane amount of casualties in said locations.

the narrative doesn't confront her (enough) to the consequences of her actions, whereas FFVIII did when you see the mistakes of Quistis and Rinoa.

>>714736713
This is spot on. They couldn't play the surprise angle here so went with something more existential.

>>714745495
Garnet's actions make sense given her backstory and age, unlike the idiots in 8

>enter ffix thread expecting discussion about the potential remake
>it's just fucking autists going at each other

>>714745953
>the community gave so much s*** to Quistis and Rinoa for their minor stupid mistakes in FF8
Technically Quistis didn't make any mistakes. She told Zell and Selphie to stay put to man the gate but they ignored her and even with all of them getting locked in at Rinoa's house Quistis managed to get out and return to the gate to do what their team was supposed to do.

>>714746284
No, see >>714745832
And >>714745953

>>714745890
I don't care how many people bought the game, holy fuck. It clearly sold worst because it wasn't edgy, and normies really loved edgy stuff back then. The artstyle turned off most of the people that FF7 attracted.

>>714745953
I'm not reading that, holy shit what the fuck? The game is the best because it's fun to explore the world, the environments are great, and Vivi's story arc is fantastic. Garnet could be a mute retard getting wheeled across the world in a wheelchair for all I care. The only video games I've ever played where the story wasn't dogshit were the first 2 Zero Escape games. FF7's story and characters aren't any better

>>714745953
Dagger is presented as being sheltered and naive as early as Dali

>>714746301
That’s my point. Rinoa only forced me through one sidetrack of stupidity and it took ten minutes. Quistis forced me through a whole stupid dungeon that ultimately had no effect on the plot except that it established Quistis as incredibly blaise about her duties, but I forgave her because she stopped after that and I was never forced to endure hours upon end of her inner monologues. Garnet rendered the first several hours of gameplay entirely useless because she was a moron and she got entire cities blown up because of her stupid - and she never stopped reminding me of her stupid. Rinoa only threatened HERSELF and other people told her that, constantly. The hero chewed her out within the first disc for being so reckless and impulsive. See, people get on Squall for being a jerk. I love him because it's not often you see RPG heroes saying what you would have said to stupid characters.

>>714746413
I mean, she's a Princess, so she's inherently sheltered and naive.

>>714746401
>I don't care how many people bought the game
Again, tell the people whining about FF9's release date that, they're the ones keeping that discussion alive

>>714746401
>It clearly sold worst because it wasn't edgy, and normies really loved edgy stuff back then.
Funny because IX really overdid it with the destruction aspect. Thousands of innocent civilians are obliterated left and right, but you're supposed to ignore that and care about characters melodramatic “existential crises” in a world where a crazy queen can kill millions in 1 second.

>>714746447
>Quistis forced me
Read my post again. She told Zell and Selphie to man the gate and they ignored her orders. Or better yet complain to the devs who made that sequence happen.

>>714746413
>>714746531
That’s the thing, it wasn’t at the start of the game, it wasn’t until Dali, which feels like flanderization and derailment. The very beginning of the game in Disk 1 Alexandria is a deceptive introduction to Garnet specifically, as although an excellent introduction in isolation (The thief goes to kidnap the princess who outsmarts and outmaneuvers him every step of the way, culminating in an excellent scene of her swinging on the banner to that Prima Vista and reverse uno-ing the kidnapping followed by the quick witted improvising on the stage), this Garnet we meet at the start is not necessarily the character we continue the story with from Evil Forest onwards . And an introduction for characters is extremely important, as Zidane, Vivi, and Steiner's characters at the start do feel like they are the same characters moving forward, while Garnet took a bit of a slide… downwards.

>>714746580
It all exists to make you feel bad for Garnet whose irresponsible actions were the impetus for all those people getting killed

>>714746715
Thanks for acknowledging the manipulative writing surrounding Garnet and how the game forces you to “feel sorry for her”.

>>714746401
>FF7's story and characters aren't any better
Sounds to me like you weren’t paying attention and didn’t like VII’s political commentary.

DO NOT bring up the fact that every subsequent re-release of 9 has outsold 8, it will make him VERY VERY angry

>>714746401
How were VII and VIII any way “edgy”? For all the whining about VII and VIII being "excessively dark and emo", suddenly the nostalgia freaks worshipped IX for being “Lighter and Softer” like the old games. In IX, I almost never saved anything. Most of the plot was my party showing up in the nick of too late and watching people die. Or in the case of Garnet, being a bloody moron and creating the deaths in the first place.

>>714746997
Source? It’s still nowhere near as much as VII or X’s re-release sales.

>>714746997

>>714746285
you could reduce this to >enter FF thread
and the second line would always be the same

>>714747418
IX is at 8.9 btw

>>714747221
The tone of FF7 is clearly edgy. Barret curses and they put in censored symbols to make it more """mature""". Like what are you even saying? Hating on FF9 is literally a mental illness. I like all of the games on the PS1 but FF9 is clearly the best one.

>>714746531
Except that she was actually adopted and was from the summoner village of Madain Sari which was destroyed, she just had “plot convenient amnesia”.

>>714747635
Well the curses are now uncensored in the VII remake. Cursing doesn’t necessarily mean edgy.

>>714747561
FF8 is at 10.3
https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy#Final_Fantasy_VIII%E2%80%93X_series

>selling number as an argument
You can't be that desperate.

>>714747693
>Someone not remembering their early childhood is "plot convenient amnesia"
Holy fuck you are autistic

>>714747561
Proof?
>Hating on FF9 is literally a mental illness. I like all of the games on the PS1 but FF9 is clearly the best one.
Your mental gymnastics are showing. “Anyone who hates IX is clearly mentally ill!” I don’t like it because it’s an incoherent mess.

I don’t demand anything exorbitant from her and I don’t judge her by exorbitant criteria. Demanding that there be no holes in the plot, inexplicable bullshit in the actions and remarks of the characters, and completeness in the plot lines is not “the level of literary elaboration of War and Peace,” nope. This is the desire to see this particular work as holistic, and not somehow cobbled together on the knee from pieces that do not fit together
(and yes, the same little man is racing on Xenoblade, but there are just a few noticeable mistakes in comparison with the finals)

Gentlemen, well, here certified cultural experts are telling you what is typical for a fairy tale, and that FF9 is not a fairy tale simply by definition, and there is no need to try to justify the failures there in the script with this supposed “fabulousness”.

And Ring of Fates, compared to FFIX, perfectly shows what a balance between funny and dramatic can be in a game: what should be funny is funny - in places I laughed out loud. What is dramatic is dramatic in such a way that it interrupts all the deaths of flower girls and their boyfriends and so on. This is a game done right.

But for a game that is “pure fun", that would be Chocobo Tales. From beginning to end, it is kept in cheerful tones; it does not make any serious attempts at drama or plot, and this only benefits. And FFIX didn't master either one or the other.

>>714747878
Garnet was six at the time, the same age as Eiko now who seems to be pretty functional.

>>714747956
https://automaton-media.com/articles/newsjp/final-fantasy-ix-ff9-20250331-333466/
3 million copies since Reiwa started

>>714747878
>>714748039
But I digress. Garnet couldn’t simply be the daughter of the queen. No, instead she needed to be adopted from a nigh-extinct race. Why couldn’t the plot twist be the entire royal family of Alexandria is members of the summoner race?

>>714748125
why would Brahne need to extract eidolons from her then?

>>714747776
Slow battles and the whimsical setting/art style are what most people complain about for FF9, signs of ADHD and/or low intelligence. Nothing you say will change that.

>>714747846
You can argue sales numbers show how well a game is seems to have been received. What you can't argue is that a lack of sales definitively equates to quality.

>>714748090
Cope and seethe.

>>714748185
Okay scratch that, her father at the very least.

>>714748090
Wrong.

>>714737104
>Preach gaming for example completely misread and got ff9 inside and out because he is something of a retard
Yeah he misunderstood the entirety of FF9 because subtext isn't something he's even the slightest bit capable of parsing, to the point it makes you wonder if he's even sentient.

>>714748209
I did used to frequent the forums back in the day; two of the biggest ones are still around (TFF and EoFF), although they’re a shadow of what they used to be. The main thing I can recall was people complaining about the plot being cliched, the characters being shallow, and that the overall development was rushed because Square were already making FFX. They also thought Trance was crap compared to Limit Breaks and that the battles were frustratingly slow, even with the battle speed turned up to max (although the HD remaster fixed this). And yes, players who started the series with VII tended to particularly dislike it.

>>714746694
>That’s the thing, it wasn’t at the start of the game, it wasn’t until Dali, which feels like flanderization and derailment. The very beginning of the game in Disk 1 Alexandria is a deceptive introduction to Garnet specifically, as although an excellent introduction in isolation (The thief goes to kidnap the princess who outsmarts and outmaneuvers him every step of the way, culminating in an excellent scene of her swinging on the banner to that Prima Vista and reverse uno-ing the kidnapping followed by the quick witted improvising on the stage), this Garnet we meet at the start is not necessarily the character we continue the story with from Evil Forest onwards . And an introduction for characters is extremely important, as Zidane, Vivi, and Steiner's characters at the start do feel like they are the same characters moving forward, while Garnet took a bit of a slide… downwards.

She tricks the party when she escapes from lindblum with Steiner. And comes up with the scheme to allow Steiner to get her across the borders undetected.

Maybe you should actually read the dialogue instead of complaining about things that aren't true.

>>714748826
>”To be fair you have to have a high IQ to understand FFIX”
Enough of this reddit bullshit. One guy literally made a whole essay on IX’s pretentiousness: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1--b5YOT29bX637_1NVH8fb75o-7XJYho/edit?tab=t.0

>>714711262 (OP)
A movie trailer for a movie game franchise

>>714734767
you are one retarded piece of shit

>>714749070
>Enough of this reddit bullshit. One guy literally made a whole essay on IX’s pretentiousness: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1--b5YOT29bX637_1NVH8fb75o-7XJYho/edit?tab=t.0
one guy being you and having seen bits of it posted before he's an autistic retard who is probably a fag.
Appeal to authority works a bit better when you don't try to insert your own 80iq writing that no one wants to read you faggot.

>>714748920
>She tricks the party when she escapes from lindblum with Steiner. And comes up with the scheme to allow Steiner to get her across the borders undetected.
Which was BAD AND WRONG, she did all of that because of her ridiculous denial of her mother’s insanity and ridiculously naively thinks she can just “talk her out of it”. If she was so convinced her mother wasn’t so out of her mind or crazy that Garnet could have just talked her out of it, why even bother to run away from home in the first place rather than just talk to her mother when she had the CHANCE? (Something that a girl with an otherwise perfect relationship with their mother would do FIRST, before running away) Had all of the stuff we'd just witnessed not happened (The Queen firing upon the Prima Vista and not caring about collateral damage with the civilians or even her own daughter’s safety, the murderous Black Waltzes which blatantly tell Garnet that her mother sent them after her, the devastated North Gate with the Alexandrian flags placed there clearly showing that they were launching an attack against Burmecia), and Garnet had come to Lindblum without ever fearing her mother or seeing evidence of her mother's atrocities, then the "My mother isn't crazy and I can just reason with her!" reaction would make sense.

Everyone told her it was a bad idea. SHE knew it was such a bad idea that she drugged everyone to keep them from stopping her. And as I've mentioned several times it was an even much worse idea than any of them could even imagine.

Poisoning the man who loves you, and all your friends is a really shitty thing to do, all because she couldn't take no for an answer and wanted to do something she could have done well before the game started. That’s stupid.

Beatrix of course shares a shit ton of blame for being so blind to someone blatantly fascist and committing genocide, but Lindblum and Cleyra could have been spared the devastation if Garnet hadn't run off regardless.

>>714749196
I didn’t make that doc, but keep assuming that everything I link to is made by me.

>>714749358
>I didn’t make that doc, but keep assuming that everything I link to is made by me.
Yeah you were caught faggot, you're the only person in this thread that would bother posting someone's literary diarrhea. No one else would pull out a "document" about ff9 because everyone else isn't an autistic faggoty retard.

>>714748920
Maybe you should actually try and read all my previous comments to get why what Garnet does in Lindblum is not the same or even remotely smart or moral thing she does in Disk 1 Alexandria. She literally defeated the whole point of running away from home in the first place.

>>714749438
Okay, here is proof.

>>714749563
of your faggoty retarded ass talking to yourself? Great, fuck off.

The amount of hoops one has to go through to defend Nomura writing, or directing at the bare minimum, is insane. He is either a crap director surrounded by complete dummies or a bas writer who often has blame shifted onto others

Remake was cancelled after it moved from Xeen to in-house SE btw

>>714745890
FF9 sold badly because it looked bad and FF8 didn't live up to FF7.

>>714749721
I wasn’t talking to myself, that is a completely different person, you need to take off your tinfoil hat.

>>714749773
Piss off, Nomura is just a scapegoat for you whiners.

>>714749721

8 is the only FF that needs a remake

>>714750245
Can you explain why this makes the game pretentious yourself? This reeks of perpetuating an autistic crusade against the game from an angle you don't actually understand because it agrees with your own narrative

>>714749721
>>714750245

>>714750463

>>714750537
So no? You're only capable of regurgitating the opinions of others because your own argument hinges on disliking the hero and heroine in a deranged, nonsensical manner

>>714750463
>>714750537

>>714750634
Keep coping and seething.

>>714750634
>>714750705

>>714750705
You're the one proving you can't actually refute anything here dumbass, I'm not reading an essay unless you can correlate it to the points you've been trying to make

>>714750634
>>714750753

>>714750097
If it was a better game it would have sold more. Blaming other games for its performance to this day is simply cope.

This entire essay can be summed up as "it's unfair that no one tried to befriend or help Kuja". The answer to this being that you can't help someone that doesn't want it, and even though the game literally ends with Zidane going back to try and save Kuja, it "doesn't count" because he did it too late.

>>714750764
>>714750810

>>714750847
agreed

>>714750764
>>714750872
>>714750894

>>714750872
isn't autismo in the "kuja shouldn't have been redeemed" ""camp"" anyway? makes you wonder if they actually read any of the shit they post

>>714750463
>Can you explain why this makes the game pretentious yourself? This reeks of perpetuating an autistic crusade against the game from an angle you don't actually understand because it agrees with your own narrative
Considering how autistic the fucker is this is likely the author of that shitheap. It's all word salad because he's using terms he neither understands or redefines on a whim.

>>714750872
>>714750957
>>714750764
Final page.

>>714750764
It actually refutes one of the points he's tried to make funnily enough
>[In reference to You're Not Alone]It is a powerful moment of emotional rescue. The party doesn’t fix his crisis, but they refuse to leave him in it. The player is invited to feel this support alongside Zidane, and the message is clear: his pain is real, but he does not face it alone.
I don't think he's actually read this thing

>>714750978
>isn't autismo in the "kuja shouldn't have been redeemed" ""camp"" anyway?
No, I am in the “Kuja should have been better written as a sympathetic character” camp.

>>714711567
Why do people just when someone says some FF is bad immediately deflect to, but this other FF is worse. Instead of just saying: shit taste fuck off

>>714750980
>>714751028
I don’t agree with every single part of the essay, just the parts about Kuja being poorly written.

>>714751134
Is he really that poorly written if he has enough substance to write an entire essay on

>>714751134
>I don’t agree with every single part of the essay, just the parts about Kuja being poorly written.
Don't use someone else's autistic drivel then, in your own words why is Kuja poorly written?

>>714751134
If your entire critique of the game is just "well I would have written this character this way" it explains why you'd host your argument on fanfiction.net at least

>>714751194
>>714751195
Well when IX has such an obnoxiously loud vocal minority of shills, you kind of have to be wordy and specific.

>>714751262
>Well when IX has such an obnoxiously loud vocal minority of shills, you kind of have to be wordy and specific.
Nah that's the faggoty homos that like 8.

>>714751237
That’s kinda one of the main points of criticism.

>>714751297
>Nah that's the faggoty homos that like 8.
Keep projecting.

>>714751360
>Keep projecting.
See gotcha in one you faggot. Direct hit. For some reason the people who love and 8 and deride IX are always closet faggots or straight out flaming faggots. Never fails.

>>714751195
>in your own words why is Kuja poorly written?
Because the game tries to project him as this “tragic and sympathetic” victim of circumstance despite spending most of the game acting like a cartoon villain until some last minute development and that the game had to asspull a final boss like Necron who is only there to serve as an excuse for Kuja to have his unearned redemption.

I see so much wasted potential with Kuja. The game could have drawn our attention to clear parallels between Kuja and Zidane, or even Vivi. Sadly the game changes Kuja's characterization on a whim, and we are expected to accept this for the sake of the story. You get a twinge of resignation by Kuja when you finally confront him, but the game shirks away from making good on this. For what seemed like 90% of the game we watched Kuja make shitty affectations as he billowed Shakespearean prose, and then for the last 10% he stops. We never witness Kuja toiling at his mortality, or regretting his actions as he tried to contextualize his fate. We juxtapose from cocky Kuja to vindictive Kuja and finally to redemptive Kuja all in two hours. This has the unfortunate consequence of cheapening every emotional note the game pines for with the later scenes involving Kuja, especially his final interactions with Zidane. The scaffold in which Kuja's story arc is built upon is so nakedly transparent to the audience, it is honestly painful to watch.

>>714751195
>>714751560
In the game's final moments Kuja is depicted in a relatively sympathetic light, and I found this to be morally reprehensible on the part of the game. Our last interactions with Kuja showcased him defiantly wanting to destroy the crystal of creation, and eventually, he's a sorry sack of shit I'm supposed to care about. What in the flipping fuck is that about?
So instead of having Necron why not have a scene where we engage Kuja intellectually? This confrontation would force Kuja to address the needlessness of his actions. All I am asking for is the game to justify Kuja’s redemptive arc, but it doesn’t! Instead, we have to fight a random asshole called "Necron," whom we have never seen before, and the game has not once created a scaffold for. What a fucking shitshow!

Until this point, Kuja was just full himself. We watched him bring devastation and death wherever he found himself, and now we are expected to view him as either misguided or worth redemption. Kuja is directly responsible for multiple acts of genocide and war crimes. Not only that, but Kuja enacted all this destruction with a sadistic sense of glee. He doesn't deserve shit! That Zidane is willing to talk with Kuja as a brotherly figure is even more insulting. Minutes ago both characters were pining to erase each other from existence.

This leads me to my point of the game being irresponsible. In providing Kuja the briefest sense of redemption the game belittles the implications of his prior acts of cruelty. How is saving a dozen people even close to absolving him of the countless lives Kuja ended at Madain Sari, Terra, Alexandria, Lindblum and Burmecia? This is dancing around a more fundamental issue I have with our chat with Kuja. By having this scene I feel as if the game uses genocide and war crimes as an empty story device.

>>714751195
>>714751639
From a more figurative perspective, the game does not do enough to set up what part of Kuja is worth “saving.”. For much of the game we have watched Kuja massacre civilians, profit from wars, spread mist, and raze entire cities. And yet we are told of the importance of remembering Kuja's legacy as part of Mikoto's eulogy. But what part of Kuja's legacy is worth saving? If we save any part of Kuja's legacy, isn't the game whitewashing his more heinous acts? (So you learned the value of your life from a genocidal maniac? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN SAYING?!)

I honestly do not think the writers understood how careless the conclusion of Kuja's story arc was. They used the pain and grief Kuja caused to evoke an emotional response out of the audience, and when that utility was no longer convenient they discarded it. This is what I find objectionable most of all. It is that the game uses genocide as a story beat and asks us to view things with a long-term styled form of thinking. This is beyond fucked when you stop and think about it.

>>714751427
I’m not even gay, but keep making ad hominem attacks and being a bigot.

>>714751736
>I’m not even gay
Sure faggot.
>but keep making ad hominem attacks and being a bigot.
>being a bigot.
Where the fuck does your fruitytutti ass think we are you shitlicking faggot?

>>714751789
>Where the fuck does your fruitytutti ass think we are you shitlicking faggot?
And we shouldn’t try to clean it up and tell off the chuds? Your reckoning is coming.

>>714751680
People would rather blame Beatrix because they weren't allowed to beat her in any of the boss fights

>>714751842
>And we shouldn’t try to clean it up and tell off the chuds? Your reckoning is coming.
You sure reddit isn't more your speed fagboy? You can get all the upvoots you want over there fairy.

>>714751908
Oh I hate both Beatrix and Kuja. And also Garnet.

>>714751915
Reddit isn’t as Left-Wing as you make it out to be, I’ve seen so much racist cringe from there.

what is going on in here

>>714711262 (OP)
That's such a ridiculous level of mismanagement they would've been better of just not mentioning it at all

>>714752173
>Reddit isn’t as Left-Wing as you make it out to be, I’ve seen so much racist cringe from there.
That's great fag, now go back.

>>714751908
Oh beatrix is poorly written as well, Garnet said this before:
Dagger "I don't know what's going on anymore... I fear that she might be planning something terrible." "I've brought this matter to everybody's attention, but no one has taken me seriously." "They all think I'm distraught over losing Father..."

No one in Alexandria Castle has taken her seriously? Not even Beatrix, whom was most likely aware of those barrels containing the Black Mages and was maybe even in on some war briefings with Brahne?

The moment that Brahne ordered an unprovoked invasion of Burmecia should have raised tons of red flags to Beatrix that Garnet was right the whole time, but she doesn’t rebel until too little, too late.

>>714752290
No, you piss off. This isn’t your circlejerk.

>>714752138
It's okay to hate Beatrix for personal reasons, the problem is most people that hate her do so because she "genocided" Burmecia and Cleyra despite all the evidence pointing to Kuja manipulating Brahne being the main reason those things happened.

>>714752396
>No, you piss off. This isn’t your circlejerk.
Once again proving that FF8 defenders are redditors and fags. Good job.

>>714752427
>the problem is most people that hate her do so because she "genocided" Burmecia and Cleyra despite all the evidence pointing to Kuja manipulating Brahne being the main reason those things happened.
Doesn’t excuse the fact that Beatrix took part in that and acting like a bitch to Freya and the others. See >>714752350

>>714751680
>remembering Kuja's legacy is whitewashing his acts of evil
Bro, what are you talking about? The reason to remember his legacy is to understand that his worldview and his struggle against his own mortality led him down a path that led to everything he had done and essentially dying alone and miserable regretting his life because he saw what his life could have been in Zidane. Remembering it is a warning to the future generations (and the player).
You're not supposed to care about Kuja. You're supposed to pity him for being a miserable, unlikeable sack of shit of his own creation.

>>714752427
For goodness' sake, the first direct interaction Zidane has with Beatrix involves her boasting having killed hundreds of soldiers with her own hands. Whether you believe Beatrix is “interesting” in how she will relate to Steiner is one thing, but you cannot look back on what we witnessed at Burmecia and tell me her hands are clean. At no point do we witness Beatrix in turmoil over her conduct at Burmecia and Cleyra, and what little turmoil we do see is far from sufficient. It is as if the scope of those scenes is being applied selectively. And in turn weakens any anti-war commentary or sympathy for Beatrix. Beatrix’s sudden turn is simply irresponsible for Sakaguchi and the writers.

My point is, her heelface turn comes out of nowhere. It isn't properly set up beforehand. She's just suddenly morally conflicted. That's why I don't like her. I understand what they were going for, but they didn't do it well.

>>714752601
That’s your dumb cope interpretation.

>>714752601
He didn’t die alone though, Zidane was with him. You are just projecting what you want to see.

>>714752601
Garland should have been the focus, not Kuja. Garland is a much more morally ambiguous antagonist than Final Fantasy usually serves up (give or take a Delita). His job demands he get his hands dirty, but Garland is absolutely certain that his doing it for the sake of his world's survival absolves him. It's unfortunate that Final Fantasy IX's atrocious pacing robs him of the impact he should have had, and as a result he ends up playing third fiddle to Brahne and Kuja -- a pair of far more typical cartoon villains and less interesting antagonists.

Worse of all, Garland would have greatly benefited from a redemptive or tragic character arc. As Garland drones about the relationship between Terra and Gaia you feel like the game wants you to sympathize with Garland.

Rather than depict Garland as a tragic figure of circumstance, the game has Garland become an exposition delivery system. Here is where EVERYTHING related to Terra fails as a story linchpin.

>>714752350
War on the continent has been raging for centuries and only paused due to Lindblum achieving air superiority. Steiner for example is a knight specifically because he was saved by Alexandrian Knights fighting Burmecians. I find it bizarre that so many so-called fans of the games either don't know or handwave these facts away.

>>714715840
The fuck is this half assed, chat gpt ass response????

Garnet should been more like Hinata from Naruto and Rem from Re:Zero, that would have made her a much better love interest and way more likeable.

>>714752719
Just as much as yours is. If you can't understand that cautionary tales exist, then it explains why you have such a difficult time understanding Kuja as a character.
>>714752791
>This old man without any family or loved ones didn't die alone! There was a hospice nurse with him!
Are you actually this retarded? I said "essentially" not "literally" you dumb faggot. Work on your literacy.
>>714752980
I agree, Garland was too quick to come and go. An expansion of his character would have been great and is sorely needed.

>>714753029
Because these details barely talked about in the game and are only displayed in a supplemental material like the ultimania that was never released in english.

>>714753124
Zidane is Kuja’s freaking brother who wanted to save him, not a “hospice nurse”. Whose the one not paying attention?

>>714752640
>For goodness' sake, the first direct interaction Zidane has with Beatrix involves her boasting having killed hundreds of soldiers with her own hands
Which ones? Show us in the game which specific ones she's talking about.
>Whether you believe Beatrix is “interesting” in how she will relate to Steiner is one thing
I give zero shits about that
>At no point do we witness Beatrix in turmoil over her conduct at Burmecia and Cleyra
She clearly questions Brahne's actions at Cleyra which is especially important because Beatrix created a strategy that allowed her to get the crystal there without confronting anyone before Zidane and crew tried to stop her
>Beatrix’s sudden turn is simply irresponsible
It really isn't. On one hand she's fighting people her nation had been at war with for centuries, meanwhile she changes sides because it's absolutely clear Brahne is going to kill Garnet.
>her heelface turn comes out of nowhere. It isn't properly set up beforehand
Again it is, you simply don't understand what's happening in the game for whatever reason.

>>714753058
It’s the intro from my review fic of the VII Remakes: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

>>714753390
Which ones? Show us in the game which specific ones she's talking about.
"I once killed a hundred knights single-handedly... To me, you two are nothing more than insects."

>>714753390
>She clearly questions Brahne's actions at Cleyra which is especially important because Beatrix created a strategy that allowed her to get the crystal there without confronting anyone before Zidane and crew tried to stop her
That was only AFTER the fact, I’m talking about DURING the events of Burmecia and Cleyra were she shows absolutely zero hesitation and remorse in her actions, she shows no hints of being sympathetic and acts like a cold condescending bitch. She is blatantly portrayed as a heartless monster until it is convenient to the plot to “redeem” her.

>>714753154
Pretty sure Lindblum's air superiority preventing war is mentioned in game as well as Burmecia and Clerya having strained relations despite being two different countries with the same race. Also, these infographics have been reposted in FF9 thread several times over in /v/ and you can likely find them elsewhere if you care about learning about the game. Again, why do people who seem like this game way more than I do seem to know much less about it? Or are they actively ignoring things that run counter to their headcanon?

>>714753263
Wow, really? Kuja and Zidane are brothers? Gee Anon, you better run to the presses with this one! No shit Sherlock!
Again, I'll point to the difference between literal and figurative speech. And do you seriously believe Kuja feels the same way about Zidane as Zidane feels for him? Do you really think Zidane offers the same level of comfort to Kuja in his dying moments as Garnet, Vivi, or Steiner would to Zidane were he on his deathbed?

>>714753390
>it really isn't. On one hand she's fighting people her nation had been at war with for centuries
That’s just nationalism and chauvinism, which is BAD. Also where was it stated that Alexandria was at war with Burmecia for centuries? It was a clear unprovoked invasion.

The Memoria devs are teasing a lot, did SE hire them for the remake? Its the same that happened with tomb raider or how Capcom told fans to cancel Code veronica fan project because Capcom is making the remake instead

>>714753459
Again, which ones specifically? The claim is SHE SPECIFICALLY genocided Burmecia and Cleyra despite the fact that Brahne praises Kuja's black mages at Burmecia and Beatrix created a plan where she didn't even encounter anyone except Zidane's group at Cleyra and she let them live.

>>714753743
>Do you really think Zidane offers the same level of comfort to Kuja
He literally left his true love Garnet to run back into dangerous Iifa Tree for Kuja. (Which I do criticize) Seriously, the only one coping here is you.

>>714753867
Stop trying to justify things from what is clearly a poorly written version of Cecil and Celes. Cecil’s arc was way better done, with Cecil at the beginning of the game you were shown the conflict with him and the red wings with them debating if they should really do those actions, and when actually attacking Mysidia, actually showed hesitation and afterwards immediate remorse, there was actual build up, and unlike Beatrix, didn't act like a total jerk wad or brainwashed tool when doing it (I don't judge a person based solely on their actions but also largely on their attitude and motives, which is what I think all people should do), with Beatrix there is no build up, the scene on the Red Rose with her post-Cleyra I felt was a complete ass pull, then bam! Suddenly when you're back in Alexandria, she's her jerkwad self again, then afterwards as this one person put it "through the span of three dialogue boxes, changes from a cold blooded war mongerer to a loyal companion"? Yeah, no, that's not how it works, it's really cliché.

With Cecil at the beginning of the game you were shown the conflict with him and the red wings with them debating if they should really do those actions, and when actually attacking Mysidia, actually showed hesitation and afterwards immediate remorse, there was actual build up, and unlike Beatrix, didn't act like a total jerk wad or brainwashed tool when doing it (I don't judge a person based solely on their actions but also largely on their attitude and motives, which is what I think all people should do), with Beatrix there is no build up, the scene on the Red Rose with her post-Cleyra I felt was a complete ass pull, then bam! Suddenly when you're back in Alexandria, she's her jerkwad self again, then afterwards as this one person put it "through the span of three dialogue boxes, changes from a cold blooded war mongerer to a remorseful friend"? Yeah, no, that's not how it works, it's really dumb.

>>714753595
>DURING the events of Burmecia and Cleyra were she shows absolutely zero hesitation and remorse in her actions
At Burmecia the Burmecian soldier challenges her to a fight and instead of immediately cutting him down she introduces herself and ask if he really wants to fight her. See >>714753867 for how she handled Cleyra.

Best ending of the PS1 FFs

>>714753390
>meanwhile she changes sides because it's absolutely clear Brahne is going to kill Garnet.

as Garnet's "protector" she's really bad at it, she didn't show any concern when Garnet was shot down on the Prima Vista, nor did she question why Brahne wasn't sending her to "rescue" Garnet (which you would think she would try to do ASAP) but rather seemed more interested in waging war and instead sending murderous creatures after her that would do more harm than good and cause a lot of collateral damage, Beatrix didn't mention or ask about Garnet's safety or whereabouts when encountered in Burmecia, even though she should clearly be able to recognize some of the party as the people from Tantalas that "Kidnapped" Garnet.

Only after Cleyra does she ask about Garnet, even though you think she would immediately return to Alexandria to check up on Garnet's welfare rather than be focusing on waging war with innocent Burmecians and Cleyrians, even back in Alexandria she didn't notice that Garnet was in the room until she was literally pointed out to Beatrix (after forcing you into a pointless battle that did nothing but flaunt her god mode status).

Not only that, but apparently she was amongst the people who didn't believe Garnet when she said her mom was going crazy and starting a war, even though Beatrix was clearly taking part in this and no doubt had briefings from Brahne on said subject, so she had to know that Garnet was on to something, all this makes it REALLY hard to sympathize with Beatrix.

>>714753963
>>714753867
>She could have killed the party twice and didn't.
Neither did Kuja. She didn't spare the party out of some goodness of her heart, she did it because its a jrpg and it has to have Unwinnable Battles where the villain doesn't bother to finish you off...for reasons.

>>714753779
>That’s just nationalism and chauvinism
That's the point though, this has been going on for centuries, it wasn't just some thing that happened out of nowhere
>where was it stated that Alexandria was at war with Burmecia for centuries
in >>714753029 it states that war on the continent had been raging for centuries

>>714753390
>Again it is, you simply don't understand what's happening in the game for whatever reason.
I understand what they were going for, but they didn't do it well. But keep strawmanning me.

Beatrix is the most nonsensical unwinnable boss fight I've ever seen in a JRPG. She completely defies any logic that unwinnable bossfights are supposed to serve. I'm supposed to feel shame for losing to her that inspires me to grow stronger and beat her in a later encounter. Not for her to wreck my shit in rapid succession three times in a row then say "I'm a good guy now". It doesn't work that way. That just leaves the player with blue balls and a pointless chip on their shoulder.

What should have happened, was that Beatrix should have been the Queen (we'll get to her in a second) and Garnet's adoptive mother (she used to be one of the Alexandrian Knights along with Steiner who had feelings for her, but later became Queen after marrying the King, Steiner of course still loved Beatrix, but still watched over as a knight, which also explains why he was so overprotective of Garnet, she's the child of the woman he loves, so he sees her as a daughter, which makes it all the more tragic that the girl he thought was the princess was adopted, and the real Garnet he knew died all those years ago) and she would be a deconstruction of previous "Disk 1 Final Bosses" (Gestahl, P. Shinra and the galbadan President).

The whole reason she was waging war is because she was convinced by Kuja that Alexander could bring back the dead, such as her husband and biological daughter and the desire to bring them back got the better of her, which lead to some actual interesting conflict between her and Steiner, and instead of getting killed off, she tries to make up and attone for what happened and gives up the throne to Dagger (and Zidane). Brahne could have still been a character but as a nice if eccentric noble who helps the players.

>>714753859
Is there a nintendo direct this week? I remember the tr remastered being shown there

>>714751116
9 has the worst gameplay and characters

>>714753958
>Stop trying to justify things from what is clearly a poorly written version of Cecil and Celes
There's no justification here, only a statement of the facts
>with Beatrix there is no build up
it's almost as if the big thing that changes her mind isn't fighting with any other nation on the continent, it's Brahne sentencing Garnet to death

>>714753991
>Dagger
Holy shit what an awful name, imagine if Zidane used a Spear
>Spear!

>>714754019
>as Garnet's "protector"
Is that her official title/role or just something expected of any Alexandrian knight?
>Only after Cleyra does she ask about Garnet
Probably because that's when Brahne outright says she's going to sentence her to death
>Not only that, but apparently she was amongst the people who didn't believe Garnet when she said her mom was going crazy and starting a war
Again, you're ignoring the history of the continent in order to fuel a narrative that war between the nations there only started with Brahne and wasn't on pause because of Lindblum's air superiority keeping everyone in check

>>714754117
That’s just weak world building in supplementary materials that are vague at best. IX is full of weak world building, it was highly unrealistic there were hardly any settlements outside of the Mist Continent. Except for a random tourist attraction in Esto Gaza (which comes out of nowhere, after never being mentioned before, and apparently people from Lindblum take vacations there) and a secret library.

>>714754069
Still runs counter to the claim that she's genocidal, never mind she's never once shown killing any Burmecian/Cleyran

>>714754247
>only a statement of the facts
The “facts” are contrived and stupid.

>A literal fucking Disney movie tier game mind broke some anon
And here I thought I seen it all.

>>714712258
GBC SaGa, SaGa Frontier remastered, Live a Live. Nevermind that they had several not faithful remakes that were vastly better than the original game.

>>714754430
>that war between the nations there only started with Brahne and wasn't on pause because of Lindblum's air superiority keeping everyone in check
That’s not how real life geopolitics and international laws work.

>>714754184
>Beatrix is the most nonsensical unwinnable boss fight I've ever seen in a JRPG
Yes I've already established this is why people keep handwaving responsibility away from Kuja and Brahne being the ones directly responsible for what happens to Burmecia and Cleyra so thanks for vindicating me

>>714754529
What pisses me off is how people act like that disney movie tier game is “so deep”. Also Disney movies had better done love stories than IX did.

>>714754472
>That’s just weak world building in supplementary materials
see >>714753742

>>714754528
Cry all you want about them but that's what the devs have established in the game

>>714754489
>If it didn’t happen onscreen, it didn’t happen!
That’s one of the laziest arguments, dude.

>>714753910
So you're saying Zidane means as much to Kuja as Garnet means to Zidane? Holy fuck, you might be the most autistic person I've spoken to on this site in the past 20 years. How do you even get through life with this little understanding of the human condition?

>>714754583
good thing we're not discussing real life on a videogames board then

>>714754751
Well the devs are hacks that forced a spin off to be a mainline game and had a bad budget and a different studio in hawaii.

>>714754767
No, one of the laziest arguments is claiming something did happen when there's zero proof and only complete speculation

>>714754848
Okay? Cry to them about it.

>>714754785
No, stop assuming you know what my point is. I was just refuting your original point on him “dying alone” and you trying to claim that Kuja was not “whitewashed”, he definitely was.

>>714754928
How about you stop defending their questionable writing choices.
>>714754826
Just a game that wants to get a serious message across but handles it all poorly.

>>714755161
>How about you stop defending their questionable writing choices
I'm not though, I simply stating the facts of the matter
>Just a game that wants to get a serious message across but handles it all poorly
Correct, FF9 is a pretty shit game all around

>>714754876
Or maybe you are too strict on everything having to be shown onscreen for “complete proof”. Look at Beatrix bitch behaviour in Burmecia and Cleyra that she has no excuse for and tell me her hands are clean.

>>714755247
> simply stating the facts of the matter
The way you are phrasing it sounds like you are being defensive.
>Correct, FF9 is a pretty shit game all around
Well glad we are on the same page then.

>>714755101
Well Anon, I wouldn't have to assume anything if you would answer any of my question instead of running around them like a cockroach. So how about you answer a question for once. Do you think Zidane means as much to Kuja as Garnet means to Zidane? And if not, why do you think Zidane's presence comforts Kuja at all during his dying moments?
My original point still stands. Kuja is not "whitewashed". No one in the game thinks Kuja's a good person. His legacy is a cautionary tale.
Stop being an illiterate retard.

>>714749293
You could see it as desperation and denial. She desperately wanted to believe there was still good in her mother, against all the evidence around her.

>>714755297
>maybe you are too strict on everything having to be shown onscreen for “complete proof
Nah, only when people make claims they can't back up

>>714755368
>The way you are phrasing it sounds like you are being defensive
Defensive of what?
>we are on the same page

>>714755384
> Do you think Zidane means as much to Kuja as Garnet means to Zidane?
No.
>And if not, why do you think Zidane's presence comforts Kuja at all during his dying moments?
The game seems to portray it as such.
>My original point still stands. Kuja is not "whitewashed". No one in the game thinks Kuja's a good person. His legacy is a cautionary tale.
That’s how you see it, but Kuja didn’t know he was mortal and had a short lifespan until the last bit of the game where Garland reveals that to him, Kuja thought he was “immortal” because… reasons.
>Stop being an illiterate retard.
Not illiterate, I just hate the cliched grade school writing.

>>714755429
Then why bother to run away from home in the first place? It begs the question of why Garnet wanted to go to Lindblum in the first place if not because she thought she couldn't trust her mother anymore or thought she couldn't stop her mother's aggressive actions alone.

>>714755384
>Do you think Zidane means as much to Kuja
I mean he saved him from Necron and wanted him to not risk himself for him.

>>714755429
>>714755723
All I care about is Zidane and Garnet’s love story which the game did not deliver on the hype and Garnet spends most of the game whining about her mother and kingdom.

The character arcs outside of Vivi, Zidane, Garnet, and Steiner, could certainly be improved, especially Freya (whose arc abruptly stops) Amarant (,hes just...there) Beatrix (more interaction with Freya, and more nuance to her) and Quina, who makes little sense.

>>714755804

>>714755604
>The game seems to portray it as such.
In what way? Kuja gets closure as opposed to comfort.
>That’s how you see it, but Kuja didn’t know he was mortal and had a short lifespan until the last bit of the game where Garland reveals that to him, Kuja thought he was “immortal” because… reasons.
None of this is justification for why you think Kuja is "whitewashed" just that you think the writing was poor. So where is the "whitewashing"?

>>714755896
FF9 is not a love story, it's a "classic" FF game

>>714755921
>So where is the "whitewashing"?
That the game is suddenly acting like this makes Kuja tragic when it feels more like karma.

>>714755985
Keep telling yourself that, one of the worst parts of IX is the poorly done love story of Zidane and Garnet, which the game tries to make it all out to be a bigger deal and focus than it actually is. It is really hyped up… but doesn't really deliver in a satisfying manner. And if you think I'm exaggerating about the repeated hype of the romance, look at:

a) The 'I want to be your Canary' play that clearly represents Zidane and Garnet, and it being shown at the beginning and end of the game, which I've already discussed above.

b) The fact that the main theme of the game, 'Melodies of Life', is a love song- and is even called "our song" by Zidane and Garnet, which plays constantly in different mixes throughout the whole game. (Even serving as the theme for the World Map! Until Disk 4 anyways) Not even VIII's and X's main love songs were played out that much.

And finally,

c) The commercials and ads that played for IX when it first came out generally gave off the impressions that it was heavily romance focused, with most of them playing 'Melodies of Life' in them and showing off mostly Zidane and Garnet's FMV scenes together. Don't believe me? Look at them yourself.

>>714755804
>I mean he saved him from Necron
What are you talking about? Do you think the portals that appear after you defeat Necron are from Kuja?
>wanted him to not risk himself for him.
I think that's more Kuja thinking he didn't deserve to be saved than him caring about Zidane.

>>714711262 (OP)
That's it?

>>714756139
>Keep telling yourself that
Of all the "classic" FF games (1-6) the one with the most developed love story is 6 with Locke and Celes and that one's extra awkward since Locke's comatose girlfriend is around until you complete the Phoenix Cave near the end of the game and she finally passes on

>>714755985
This guy would disagree with you.

>>714756186
>Do you think the portals that appear after you defeat Necron are from Kuja?
Yes, they are. Kuja literally says so.

>>714755723
Because she feels conflicted? Ambivalent? She wants to stop her mother but still loves her, so her actions reflect both Garnet's opposing feelings. Reflected in her dual identity of Garnet/Dagger.

>>714756303
Good for him I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaMiPb6KiWo

>>714755985
>>714756248
IX’s story plays nothing like the classic ones. It also takes from VII and VIII, which had much better and more focused love stories.

>>714756468
VIII has a terrible love story

>>714756393
Stop being pretentious and coping. It’s clear bad writing and inconsistency.

why did she not do this when she had the chance BEFORE running away from home at the beginning of the game? If she was so convinced that her mom could just be talked out of it, why bother to run away from home in the first place when she could have did just this? It completely defeats the purpose of running away to get to Lindblum in the first place and renders the whole beginning of the game with the kidnapping and trek to Lindblum, Zidane’s (and the players) efforts, COMPLETELY POINTLESS.

It’s also irritating because I want her to focus more on Zidane and actually have a personality, to STOP thinking about “Muh kingdom” so much. It’s okay to be a little selfish. Garnet was a lousy waifu, especially compared to the FFVII girls, Serah from FFXIII the girls from FFVIII, Freya, Hinata from Naruto, the girls from Strike the Blood, the girls from Shinmai Maou no Testament, etc.

>>714756468
>IX’s story plays
we're talking specifically about "classic" FF love stories here