Thread 714716551

sf4 is garbage, plinking and one frame links are not justifiable.

>>714716551 (OP)
What do you mean justifiable? You haven't even criticised them. Plinking isn't an sf4 thing, it's a general fighting game thing and is in most games. You clearly don't even know what it is.

>>714716551 (OP)
And which slop fighter do you think is better

>>714716551 (OP)
that spinning shit makes me laugh. are they having a dance off.

>>714716551 (OP)
>sf4 is bad
>sf5 is bad
>sf6 is bad
>sf1 is bad
>sf3 is bad
So SF2 is the only good SF game?

Better than V and 6.

I like em all except the newest one never touching that trash

>>714717291
no, SF5 is the only bad one

>>714716761
Ballz 3D

>>714716551 (OP)
Just dont play a character that needs 1f links, there's plenty that have good combos that don't need hard execution. Even characters that have hard combos like E.Ryu don't fucking need them.

>b-b-b-but muh punishes on normals are so hard how do I punish Rolento's bullshit???
you dont. Many characters can't punish a lot of bullshit that is technically punishable. Stop letting your enemy get into preferred ranges.
Not that any advice matters, if you say 1f links and plinking is why you couldn't play sf4 you're full of shit and just suck, but need the excuse.

>>714716551 (OP)
you don't have to do them though, they're not mandatory

>>714716761
Clayfighter 63 1/3

3rd strike is the best fighting game ever made
Why aren't you playing it?

>>714716551 (OP)
Option Selects were worst

>>714719026
>street "basketball american music and nickelodeon slime" fighter 6
>good

It's so fucking dumb that lariat doesn't bypass angled projectiles like Rolento's knives and Akuma's air fireballs.
How did Capcom not anticipate >>714716551 (OP) happening? Straight up an 0-11 matchup for Zangief, there's no way for him to approach at all.

>>714717291
SF2 is dogshit

>SF 1
the great granddaddy of all fighters without it fighting games wouldnt exist
however it is unplayable in terms of gameplay
>SF2
the granddaddy of all fighters, if you want OG of OG you play this regardless of balance
>3S
the DADDY of fighting games, the kids of your great grandkids will see the Daigo parry and want for glory like that despite SF 7 just releasing later that year
>MVC2
the ONLY tag fighter that ever mattered
>SF Alpha
if you the closest SF will ever get to an anime fighter with soley its own cast
>SF4
true skill fighter, the hardest fighting game in the IP and you get major props for being able to hold your own in it
>SFV
the worst blemish to the street fighter name, no reason to ever play it besides to shit on 6
>SF6
the new kid thats bringing in new kids, it gets capcom cup millies, it gets evo, you better deal with it

Super and Ultra Combos are fair and you're just bad.

>>714720376
>>SF4
>true skill fighter, the hardest fighting game in the IP and you get major props for being able to hold your own in it
Which is hilarious because it copped a ton of shit at the time for being supposedly watered down, to the point of the term "09er" existing and the endless memes of the flowchart Ken army online.

SF4 might be the hardest fighting game to exist

>>714720705
where did this meme start and by what fucking metric?

>>714716869
They are whiffing safe specials to build supper meter.
SFIII had super build on whiffed normal's so people would hit air to build meter.

>>714720802
1f links with no buffer
in a world where every single fighting game put out has auto-combos, 1 button super inputs, gattlings, and special buttons any form of overarching skill check becomes impossible to overcome

For me, it's the 3DS version where everyone picks Guile and spams sonic booms and flash kicks at the press of a button with zero cooldown

>>714720376
I just wanted to let you know that you write like a retarded faggot

>>714720376
>the worst blemish to the street fighter name, no reason to ever play it besides to shit on 6
You didn't play after season 2

>>714720802
1f links and having to hit confirm off of 3f light normals

>Yes, I spew the opinion of players who played the game for money
agree that some MU are bullshit in this game despite dozens of patches. But to claim that this is the problem without having learned the game is hard to take seriously.

>>714716761
gem fighters

>>714720090
>you don't have to do them though, they're not mandatory
they are for half of the cast, I don't wanna play sagat 24/7

>>714721486
no they are not just don't do the crazy combo and you're good.

>>714721412
Thats a fine choice

>>714720802
If you're one of those +R autists, your game has magic series looool

>>714721261
going from complete shit to just shit is not the win you think it is

>>714721261
>you didnt continue playing the worst fighting in the franchise
no no I didnt

>>714723010
>the worst fighting in the franchise
it isn't. Slime fighter 6 is way worse

>>714723073
SF6 saved the franchise and brought it back from obscurity
there is absolutely no reason to play SFV
every single thing it offers is found in other entries to the genre and now that 6 is out it doesnt even have the "most recent entry" bump
when 7 comes out maybe you can claim its better but right now all you can do is cry about your dogshit taste while everyone else plays the vastly superior games

>>714716551 (OP)
sakura's 1f links are all easy

>>714723209
>Out of obscurity

You've been saying that since 2009, and no, SF has always been mainstream, it's just that shareholders love resident evil short term gains.

>>714723287
That's right, SF4 had higher input leniency than any other game that came before it. You could buffer all that and still get it right

>>714723209
>Slime spam
>vastly superior game
you don't play street fighter

>>714723391
3S was a huge fuck up introducing a new gen nobody was looking for yet
4 was the resurgence of SF
and then V was the disappointment that KEPT on disappointing, SFV was Street Fighters Mortal Kombat 1
and now were back, all because we left behind that dogshit nobody wanted to play or watch any longer

>>714723524
I started at SF4 as a kid just doing arcade mode
then when I grew up and started learning about competition I tried SFV and figured because I didnt like it I just hated fighting games all together
I mean how could a Street Fighter game be bad?
then me and my friends started messing around with third strike like wannabes and thats when SF6 was announced so we decided to get SFV again and try to get into it in preparation
and it sucked dick
then I tried Strive and hated it
and DNF Duel and it was at least better than V but it died like a month after it dropped
the MOMENT the crack for 6 came out we just played that constantly till the game came out
and I'm still playing today
SFV is the worst fighting game ive ever played

>>714716551 (OP)
>plinking and one frame links are not justifiable.

Made the game fun, and seperated boys from men.

>>714723857
>SF4
>as a kid
you must be +18 to post here

>>714724431
I was 12 in 2008 you retard Im nearing 30 now
can you even count?

>>714716551 (OP)
1 frame links separated the casuals from pros. Just like 3rd strike's parry mechanic, the fighting community would eventually master the 1f link timing and reach new heights. Too bad that SF4 is pretty much dead nowadays. I hope it gets revived like 3rd strike

>>714716551 (OP)
1 frame links separated the casuals from pros. Just like 3rd strike's parry mechanic, the fighting community would eventually master the 1f link timing and reach new heights. Too bad that SF4 is pretty much dead nowadays. I hope it gets revived one day like 3rd strike

>>714725236
>>714725343
nigga can't even 1link post talking shit lmfao, geneless nigga

>>714720197
Because of that webm you posted that shows the game's problem. Ken is turbo OP and only half of the roster is viable online. The rest is liquid shit

>>714716551 (OP)
If people still play this online, does everyone still only pick Ken? That's the only thing I remember about this game is some reason everyone played Ken and only Ken.

>>714725236
>>714725343
How did you plink through the captcha???

>>714720280
yes it's a great game any questions? you dont even play it lol

>>714725567
Kenny is the #1 pick for newfags, casuals, and anyone who doesn't have another character immediately jump out at them. The next picks are Ryu and Akoomer.
Bald redditors with vape pens pick gief to unwind after a long day at the Amazon wage cage to pay for their wife's son to go to karate class or whatever. They lose one set to a character with a projectile and rage out before going to watch Snake Eyez and complain about how weak Zangief is in his chat and make some donations.

>>714720197
Least fun SF game

>>714720197
I dont like any of the 3 usable characters

I hope usf4 gets some kind of update or re-release in the future with better netcode and qol updates.

>>714725863
you projecting? because defending the nick slime is a dead giveaway of an actual nonplayer and the whole game revolves around it

>>714726152
non player as in they dont play the shitty SF game and plays one of the good ones

>>714726043
SF6's population would plummet overnight, no point in competing with yourself with an older, better game.
jk there's no saving casuals

>>714726152
LOL, child I have 5000+ hours in IV, about 1000 in 5 and the least in 6, but 6 launched as a fully featured and complete game. It's only issue is they haven't shaken it up yet.

>>714726610
>ackchualy i'm the world champion!!!!!
you are a literal elementary schooler

>>714726572
more people are playing SF4 than SF5 right now, and SF5 has better network

>>714726740
hows this one V coper
post your hours

and this anon >>714726610 posts his
whoever isnt talking out their ass gets to say if V is a good game or not

>>714727005
>post your hours
I have 5000+ hours in IV, about 1000 in 5 and the least in 6

>>714727457
post the steam numbers dude you can type them all you want no one is gonna believe it till we see it

>>714726740
I never said i was world champion im actually not very good at all, but I'm not a "non-player" or whatever descrition your dumbass used

>>714727518
>post the steam numbers
you first

>>714727560
I have no stake in this bitch
if youre gonna defend dogshit or call dogshit dogshit you better show the numbers and neither of you have done so

>>714718583
>/v/ everytime a new sf comes out.
Don't worry, 5 is just taking a bit longer than the other games.

>>714720197
This is my little brother's favorite SF game and I'm better at it than he is.
I don't really like it, I think it's the first SF game that really gets in the way of you absolutely dunking on someone if they're bad.

>>714720696
4 neutered a lot of things on purpose but had a bunch of things incidentally that were in the game that Ono, to his credit since he was old enough to remember 2's metagame evolved out of outright glitches, let them stay in.
So 4 is a really weird mix of 'for the modern audience' and 'lmao 1 frame link' or gay vortex crap.

>>714726043
same i wanna play cody and throw rocks and kick sand at people in rollback

>>714727543
>He bought Tekken 8
Not gonna make it.

>>714727632
lmao unplayer faggot

Is there an actual reason to play 6 over 4, other than "it's new"?

>>714728451
anything else V retard?

>>714728473
there are barely any people playing 4 online nowadays.
If you're playing irl then no there is no reason to play slime over focus attack

>>714728473
Well if you live in EU or Australia then I guess the argument is you'll have other people to play with in 6.

>>714728597
>there are barely any people playing 4 online nowadays
Because online players default to "it's new", which doesn't answer my question.

The worst parts about SFIV are
>Acquire Ultras for getting your ass beat
>No throw invulnerability after hit/block/wakeup/air reset
>Vortex hell
>Option select hell

I also hate that every game after it used its combo structure. I'm tired of the whole "link buttons into buttons into other buttons into juggle into ultra/super" for every character. Same goes for every character having big combos starting from jab/crouching shorts.

>>714728868
the fact that you ignored the second line in my post means you are not playing irl but online which means "it's new" 100% answers your question unless you're planning to play arcade mode exclusively

>>714727005
>>714727005
Hours in the picture, about 800, Pretty accurate did about 100 hours out and about with friends and stuff im sure. The game is "fine" It's launch was really bad and the game was really boring and straight forward for a long time. in the end it wasn't a bad game I'd play it with you right now if you wanted. For the 6 years it was a think it was only good for about half of it. It's worse than 4 and 6. but not a terrible fighting game IMO. After VS2 and VT2 and Vshift it became better slowly.

>>714728368
here's some hours and other features to prove I'm a true fighting game player™

you'll just have to believe me about street fighter IV, as im sure you remember as you are also a real fighting game player™ we all know 360 and ps3 got the game first so a majority of my hours on that console plus it had a bigger online scene as well where all the best players were back then. So vanilla I have about 1k hours, then super and ultra about another 2.5k combined. mostly 360, abit of ps3 later. plus ENDLESS hours at friends places, locals ect.

I also broke the street date for super 4, and Im playing against the reviewer in the G4 tech TV review. (I worked at blockbuster)

>>714726803
Honestly not really, If you were playing with someone in your city 4 is better. but the problem with 4 these days it's lots of third worlds so it's hard to get good games in. SFIV IS so fucking hard man Playing SF V for years made me shit at fighting games.

>>714726610

Friend convinced me, It's not installed for a reason. lol Reina was cute too, so i rolled my eyes and said "fine" before purchasing

>>714721261
>You didn't play after season 2
And the game was STILL dog shit until 2021 when fucking Luke released. SFV wasn't good for most of its lifetime. It became serviceable and not complete trash, but it was shit for 6 out of those 7 years.

>>714723391
SFIII was ANYTHING but mainstream.

how do I git gud at 'rog, I want to be a violent gambling addicted black man.

>>714723541
your cadence is in the right place but your exaggerating a little but. Street fighter V did anything continually disapoint. It had lots of great new character designs, It got better and better, not worse and worse.

SF6 may be getting worse and worse I cant quite tell yet. I feel like it hasn't changed much. which it maybe should because while it's fun it's not perfect. they need to look at the throw looping and maybe restructure the resources. One thing I'd like to see (most will hate this) Is you can spend SUPER combo meter to do EX-Slime rush that would let you cancel out of special attacks, because for now you can only slime rush a normal.

>>714730594
You always be charged for dash straight and turn around punch. Least that's what I do in Super Turbo.

IN
DES
TRUCTIBLE
NOTHING IS GONNA STOP ME
NOW

>>714730594
which game? 4? 4 balrog is da best and has the best theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfBKOlS7yrg

>>714731135
4

>>714731097
GOOSEBUMPS

>>714725537
You don't play a game because 10 good characters isn't enough for you?
Kuroda would still shit on you with Q even you trained your entire life with Ken or Chun-li by the way.

>>714725537
wrong
>>714725946
wrong
>>714726017
wrong
>>714727874
wrong

>>714731396
I'm objectively right about how 3S oki works in the favor of the shitter, on purpose.

>>714720197
I don't boot up street fighter when I'm in the mood for guaranteed unblockables but oro players sure fucking do

Damn I just gotta pay 69.99 and join the fun!

>Only one result for SF Alpha in the entire thread
Mothafuckas forgot about all the -ism's besides T

>>714732184
Alphas only claim to fame is the introduction of Karin and Sakura
the gameplay is nothing to write home about

>>714731172
He's one of the 15 characters I'm okay with in 4. Probably in my top 5.

For sure you want to on perfecting Cr.LPCr.LK xx EX Upper. It combos into itself. and you can also end your loop with cr.lp cr.lk xx Headbutt which can finish with ultra

Also Ex headbutt is completely projectile invicible and it's horizontal range is deceptively large. If someone is spam happy with fireballs it helps, Obviously this combos into ultra 1 but you knew that already.

CrHP, LPHeadbutt, great over head for beating cross ups. mk and other headbutts are better for people jumping in on you.

best jumpin you can get more or less is jmHK, stHK,

>>714731531
>retard doesn't know how to throw or delay buttons on wakeup
absolutely mindbroken autopiloting shitter

>>714732184
A2 is way better.

>>714720903
>supper meter.
so they're potato mashing and whipping the supper meter for their combo platter?

>>714732879
gotta learn about plate data and get good at dish punishing

>>714716551 (OP)
odd game bad, even game good

>>714725537
>Ken is turbo OP
He's a top 3 character but Ken is actually an outlier in that category. He's the only one in the top 3 or even top 5 that doesn't have anything truly broken. Chun and Yun have their ridiculous supers, god-tier buttons, low-profile and tiny hurtboxes but Ken is just a high-quality Swiss army knife. Fairly good everything across the board.

Ken is top 3 not for his ability to dominate the cast, but more for power to fight the top tiers on even ground.

>>714731097
Nothing's gonna top 3rd Strike's main theme for me

>You're about to get your life into something you wish you wouldn't
>It's too late you gotta rob what you wish you couldn't
>Passed the first stage, thought you could live it
>Now still you realize you never could survive it

>You dealing with cold-blooded assassinators
>Decapitate your body leave you food for alligators

>I guess one fly kick will leave your body critical
>Talkin' bout street thugs n BIG CRIMINALS

>>714733501
It's true, Ken is strong but he's not cheap.

yeah that could be annoying when some characters inexplicably had bnb combos and techniques locked behind 1f's. that said the direction they took with sf5 was worse, 3f is too generous to be the ceiling and ballooned expected combo complexity. in sf4 you could feel good about consistently hitting a 2f bnb.

>>714728986
Ultras as comeback mechanics were annoying but at least most characters also needed to spend two bars and be on the ball to convert into them, which was a lot resource-wise

>>714735045
There are a lot that are tools you pretty much pop as soon as you get (like Rose) but there are also a ton that are just really potent reversals (maybe moreso than super, even without considering the resource cost) which forces an even GREATER emphasis on throwing people into a safe OS vortex mix on oki. I also don't like how it exacerbates how irrelevant super is since meter is almost exclusively used for EX, FADC, and conversions into Ultras (which the game puts heavy emphasis on as the main big damage dealer)

>>714730924
>It had lots of great new character designs
I could not disagree more, the uninspired donut steals are the worst thing about modern Street Fighter, V was almost as bad as 6.

>>714735484
Most of the reversal Ultras were tremendously unsafe on block though. Off hand I geneuinely am struggling to think of one that was even difficult to punish on block/whiff
I do agree that reserving two bars for FADC Ultra could be lame but imo SF4 struck a fine balance with a lot of EX moves being REALLY good to make spending that meter worth it anyway

>>714720197
>game is good because... le churning butter to whiff punish into super for the ten billionth time

>>714735951
The thing with Ultras is that they went away after the round whether you used it or not so you got a lot of people using them on wake up or out of desperation, the one thing they improved after SFIV is giving you a reason to not try to bust out your super in every round.

>>714735757
when it comes to newcomers I think its like this
>classics
aside from SF2 with the world warriors the classics offer just waifus and a couple big men but nothing that anyone considers a staple SF character
karin, makoto, sakura, hugo, dudley, alex not characters anyone considers mandatory
>4
Juri, shes always gonna be in every SF from her release and forward
>V
luke, menat, rashid, and ed

meanwhile SF6 doesnt have any new character I think is surefire to come back for a future SF7
despite them pushing Luke, Jamie, and Kimberly as the new gen Ryu, Ken, and Chun I dont think ANYONE would care if none of them came back

>>714736315
Yeah but my point was whiffing those Ultras were basically deciding to just lose the round then and there. Good players would hold them to force you to be more risky on your offense

>>714735951
>Most of the reversal Ultras were tremendously unsafe on block though. Off hand I geneuinely am struggling to think of one that was even difficult to punish on block/whiff
As it should be. That's not really here nor there though. I never said they were hard to punish on block or whiff. I think giving players a guaranteed cinematic Shin Shoryuken for losing all their life each round. And having that loaded gun railroads players into a lamer style of play where you've gotta be running oki that's that safejumping, vortexing OS heavy game SFIV is known to be and just kills the more natural, freestyle kind of play.

>>714736428
and as far as V goes, I also Like Lucia, Zeku, Kolin. but menat rashid and ed are for sure keepers. Lucia is a final fight character, so is zeku kinda.

>>714731328
>Kuroda would still shit on you with Q even you trained your entire life with Ken or Chun-li by the way.
From his jail cell?

>>714735951
>Off hand I geneuinely am struggling to think of one that was even difficult to punish on block/whiff

Illusion spark (from the right distance) is all that comes to mind.

>>714716551 (OP)
plinking trained a whole generation to be good at a meaningless skill

>>714736639
If ultras didn't exist, but the vortex game did, people would still optimize oki patterns.

>cinematic supers
>modern dlc model all new games abide by
>emphasis on system over characters
>juggles via EX dragging out combos
>OP comeback mechanic via ultra
>ugly as fuck
Is there any issue with modern fighting games that can't be traced back to SF4?

>>714737451
>modern dlc model all new games abide by
This isn’t true, I detest it when fighting games add one character at a time, the only DLC in IV was cosmetic as it should be, characters were added in expansions.

>>714716551 (OP)
I'm not a sf4 player by any means but sf4 really was the golden era of fighting games post sf2.
Even the e-celebs of that era were of a greater calibre.
The new guys just don't cut it.

>>714737451
It seems you're trying to bend reality in order to fit SF4 in all this. You could even say that
>emphasis on system over characters
>juggles via EX dragging out combos
are SF3's/3S' fault, but here we are.

>>714725537
You don't have to play ranked. People play real characters on unranked and it's fun

>>714733501
>He's the only one in the top 3 or even top 5 that doesn't have anything truly broken.
lmao fuck off, SA3 is ridiculous and he has 3 of them while also having a good button to build meter that most of the cast can't punish very easily.

>>714737829
Most characters don't even juggle that much. Just Dudley which is kind of his unique trait and Akuma to a smaller extent. Everything else is usually very situational and small. Combos in 3rd Strike are small in general. It's usually:

>Hit > Special > Super
or
>Hit > Super

>>714739364
So does Sean, look at where that got him.

>>714739713
>So does Sean, look at where that got him.
Sean is fucked by atrocious frame data, Ken isn't

>>714716551 (OP)
Watching high level SFIV was magical, there was so much going on and focus attack was unironically a much more nuanced tool to fight for space with than V-trigger activation, crush counters, punish counters or slime rush.

>took big damage if it got broken, took a lot of recoverable life damage when the armor triggered
>because it only had one hit of armor you got fucked by EX projectiles and multi hit otherwise bog standard normals, which gave them a unique value in neutral they've lacked since
>counter hitting with it was strong but risky
>lost to most ultras because of either armor breaking or being multihit
>helped with mixing up movement making spacing more important

I was an anime game player (back when anime games were actually good, fuck Strive/Lumina the genre is fucking DEAD now) but I really did like watching SFIV man

>>714720219
This is a true brainlet take.

There has never, in the history of fighting games, been a widely respected game without some form of strong defensive OS being the norm and you'd see a lot less boring gorilla mashing games if people could do an input to tech a throw and do something else good at the same time.

>>714739806
I don't think Ken has a single "what do you even do about this" tool. He's just damn solid. He doesn't have unblockable loops, command grab into touch of death, a 13f dash, a ridiculous kara throw, unblockable divekicks into stun super, his buttons aren't Chun/Makoto tier, etc.

I can't really think of much to balance Ken besides giving the rest of the cast more. Anything else is just minor hurtbox tweaks and maybe make EX tatsu hit the ground faster or something.

>>714740493
>Here's an ambiguous left/right high/low/throw mixup that beats reversals, backdashes, focus attack and more. If you guess correctly on the first hit, there are several more multi-layered OS's left in the offense's sequence.
Dogshit game. People call 3rd Strike an OS-heavy game but it doesn't come close to the insanity of USFIV. And even so, most of 3rd's option selects have some kind of drawback or only work for certain characters or in very specific situations.

>>714740612
>I don't think Ken has a single "what do you even do about this" tool.
sa3
>I can't really think of much to balance Ken besides giving the rest of the cast more.
Fixing sa3 would be a good start

>>714739713
Yun's entire point is autistic juggling

>>714720219
It's funny how we've reached a point where throw loops are acceptable, but OSes are not.
I was so sad when Guile lost his in SF6 so freakin' fast.

>>714741060
Yeah, in Genei Jin, which is bullshit but that's also just his super. Outside of that he doesn't really have any good ways to launch you into a juggle.

I did just remember Urien though, I don't know how I forgot about him. So him, Dudley and Akuma are the only characters who have any emphasis on extended juggling in normal, non situational contexts. And most extended juggles are really hard to perform.

The vast majority of characters in 3s don't really focus on doing combo into EX into launch into extended juggle the way games since have focused on.

>>714741475
Shit, Super Turbo has way more juggles than 3rd Strike which is was SFIV was based on.

>>714717291
SF3 is supreme.