Thread 714716938

It could just be me but I’ve noticed a recent trend in fantasy games where characters now use modern lingo and terminology, sentence structure or swear words like “fuck” or “shit.” I know I’m not the only one but I was under the impression that the point of fantasy was so it could distance itself from the conventions and stigmas that define our world, not mirror it.

>>714716938 (OP)
>recent

Yeah but Game of Thrones got popular so now every modern fantasy setting has to ape how vulgar it is.

>>714716938 (OP)
Yes, video game writing/dialogue has been predominantly shit for well over a decade at this point. Even games that are generally well written (Disco Elysium, Baldur's Gate 3, Expedition 33) all sound like modern people talking. There is no fantasy anymore. What is the last game that actually sounded like a fantasy game?

>>714716938 (OP)
Do you think they are speaking English?

>>714716938 (OP)
It is A point, but not THE point. But this is more a function of incompetent writers who can only make shitty lightweight polemics. It's the same vein as race swapping fetishists.

>>714716938 (OP)

Student loans... amirite?

But people here also bitch about stuff being overly flowery.

>>714716938 (OP)
Modern writers don't believe historical accuracy belongs in fantasy. They just want to use the setting for its established clout.

>>714716938 (OP)
it's because a bunch of fags on reddit and /v/ bought gay millennial shit like BG3 or dragon age so it encourages more writing like that since the execs see that people tolerate the style
that and gay millennials dominate the western games, television, and movie writing positions
so you get a bunch of characters that talk like edgy leftists who got their boosters and want to punch the heckin fascists for LGBTBBQs.

>>714717262
I'd advocate for disproportionate punishment for writing like that
death by boiling
ripping out fingernails
decimation of their family and neighborhood
that's the only way to stomp out opinions that create people who think that dialogue is compelling or in any way something that should be remembered as anything except comedy

>I'd advocate for disproportionate punishment for writing like that
>death by boiling
>ripping out fingernails
>decimation of their family and neighborhood
>that's the only way to stomp out opinions that create people who think that dialogue is compelling or in any way something that should be remembered as anything except comedy

>>714716938 (OP)
It sucks when it happens to established franchises. Compare that garbage to old GoW and the differences are night and day. https://youtu.be/-bGTNQyxvUI?feature=shared

>>714717689

How does this dialogue make you feel?

>>714717108
ff16?

>>714716938 (OP)
People swore back in the day too.

>>714717108
Arr you implying dialogue was better in Morrowind or Oblivion or Baldurs Gate 1 or 2?

>>714717072
Witcher 1 and 2 and Dragons Age 1 were already edgy, and GoT was only starting

>>714718725
Yes I am saying directly that Morrowind and BG1/2 had more fantastical dialogue.
Oblivion sucks.

>>714718691
>full stop
I hate when people use fucking terms like this or “straight up.” What does it even mean? It sounds stupid as fuck.

>>714716938 (OP)

People realized that characters saying "thou" and "maiden" sounded fucking gay and they wanted them to be relatable to modern audiences.

>>714716938 (OP)
>"fuck" and "shit" are modern words
I actually 100% agree with your overall point, but I'd rather talk about that stupid thing you just said

>>714718725
>Arr you implying dialogue was better in Morrowind
Yes

Gen Z apparently wont read books that aren't from a 1st person perspective. They want relatability and dialogue that sounds like something they'd say. Studios have probably picked up on this and don't want to miss that big audience.

>>714717108
>What is the last game that actually sounded like a fantasy game?
All Fromsoft games nail archaic speech (with varying degrees too. Even the lower-class louts still talk like medieval people), which is one of the many reasons why they effortlessly mog every other fantasy game

>>714718878
I think full-stop comes from morse or telegraph. Straight up is just ghetto slang

>>714718937
No one's asking for Elizabethan English and use archaic words, retard. Simply have the characters speak articulately and properly and not use 20th-21st century slang. Take Melina from Elden Ring for example. She only uses modern vocabulary but you can tell she's still unmistakably a medieval person from reading her dialogue alone. That's called good writing

>>714719135
But they are japanese games, evidently they have good localizers, I've been wondering for a while if there are good writers for hire that can nail medieval dialogue.

>>714716938 (OP)
Yes OP, there has been a degredation in fantasy dialogue writing. However, when you make contentious statements like this, your argument has to be worded more tactfully. "Fuck" and "shit" have always been used in fantasy settings, but I get what you're implying. Sadly most people are autistic so they wont.

>>714719104
>genz
lmao, millennials are the ones writing this shit

>>714717108
Dragon's Dogma 1 and 2 I guess?

>>714718691
>>How does this dialogue make you feel?
Okay

Are we ever going to get vidya dialogue like this ever again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7SQ2Wu6PvI&ab_channel=Joudas

>UHM BUT THEY TALK TOO MUCH IT IS TOO THEATRICAL AND UNREALISTIC
Yeah nigga it is theatrical. It is epic in the most literal sense. It is fantastical. It is captivating. It doesn't subvert expectations, it surpasses them.

>>714716938 (OP)
God of War is a great example of this phenomenon. Simply compare how Zeus talked in God of War 3 to how Odin talks in Ragnarok. Pathetic

>>714719784
Shadow of the Erdtree has better dialogue than this and it came out last year
>Mother, wouldst thou truly lordship sanction in one so bereft of light?

>>714716938 (OP)
>>714717072
Even with this vulgarity, got and gow are called "white media" for journalists

>>714719784
>Lets drop the moral posturing, shall we?
>We both know there is no altruism in this pursuit, your reckless indignation lead you here, I counted on it!
>There is no shame in it, Raziel. Revenge is motivation enough. At least it's honest.
>Hate me, but do it honestly.
Top tier writing and top tier performances. Even the expressions and body language are great with technology from 2001 lmao. Video game writers stopped trying.

>>714716938 (OP)
You're right but your examples are mostly wrong.
>fuck
Was in use at least back in the 1300s, though it was used as the vulgar way to refer to sex, so it was literal rather than how we use it now as more of an intensifier.
>shit
Has been in use since before the 1100s as both literal shit and in the sense we mean it now (frustration, someone's talking shit, etc)

>>714717072
Funnily enough, the books use old timey swears like buggger. The show is the one that has everyone saying fuck and shit.

>>714720193
I'm a bit embuggered at the moment

>>714718725
>Arr you implying dialogue was better in Morrowind or Oblivion or Baldurs Gate 1 or 2?
Yes

>>714717072
It was happening way before that
>>714717518
Or hearing WOTL tier writing for hours said aloud would be annoying. I think being lazy and throwing modern sentence structure or "filler" curse words like Fuck to emphasis stuff is trash but I understand the opposite where the average person already barely finished games and most people use subtitles even for languages they understand because modern audio mixing is awful.

>>714718776
>>714720386
Jan's writing would be ridiculed here, actual Family Guy tier cutaway jokes about made up scenarios/family. "This reminds me of that time when" type quips.

>>714717237
The issue is ESG. Globohomo. ZOG. Cultural and economical neoliberalism.
Different names for the same decadent and destructive cultural zeitgeist

>>714716938 (OP)
Fuck is actually a very old word. It was very jarring to see in old middle english manuscripts people just write fuck instead of sex.

>>714720663
I know it's not medieval, but you'd have your mind blown if you read de Sade. Vulgarity has indeed always existed

>>714720057
good job being too retarded to even vaguely understand what he was saying

>>714720749
De sade is also french so not very surprising

>>714716938 (OP)
Modern fetishes too.

>>714719262
But back in the day it was a form of pleonasm while modern american vernacular uses it as a tautology.

>>714719376
>evidently they have good localizers
From's been working with the London-based Frognation since DeS. They normally find obscure Londoners for actors an fly Miyazaki down to meet with them in person for their lines. Apparently they were the ones who came up with using more Welsh and Cornish accents to give the feel of an old Britain.

>>714720663
Even older than medieval, all germanic languages have basically the same word with the same meaning which means they all stem from their last common ancestor. Ironically for OP norse gods saying fuck is perfectly reasonable.

>>714716938 (OP)
>It could just be me but I’ve noticed a recent trend in fantasy games where characters now use modern lingo and terminology,
Yeah, that takes me out of the experience. I know they probably had old-language slang and such, but I prefer mythology about the gods to have grandiose and operatic scripts about how they speak. I don't want them to be relatable, I want them to be Gods.

>>714718691
it hurts my soul

>>714716938 (OP)
The characters just talk normally because that's how the writer talks. They do not put in any effort to match a character's speech to the setting and they have no talent or spark of inspiration for it either. It's low quality garbage.

>>714720663
“straight” and “up” also have ancient etimologues. This does not mean that it was used in the past, maybe except the ulster region of ireland.
Fuck has been used as a verb for a long time but not in the way to give emphasis as we do.

>>714720193
>t. only read the first book
It gets increasingly jarring the longer the series goes on. By the 4th book they're basically just conversing in modern American English, I despise it.

>>714721092
Fuck = sex good use
Fuck = fail, beating, bad man etc bad use

>>714716938 (OP)
And? "Shakspearian" English is cringe.

>>714722057
You can have period-appropriate dialogue without resorting to Shakespearean English

>>714721589
Actually beating is also probably fine as the word probably derives from a word meaning "to strike" and still means that in several germanic languages.

>>714722137
Personally I think anglish should get used more. It's fun.

>>714722057
Why would fantasy games use Elizabethan English? Has that ever actually happened?

>>714722176
>I fuck you
>I fuck your ass
In a threatening manner is out of place between Gods
But in a lustful can work

>>714722265
Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions

>>714722265
In Dark Souls/Elden Ring, certain characters use Elizabethan English. But it's always the ancient nobility/royalty, while most characters speak more modern but still proper (like 19th centuryish diction)

>>714721064
Another japanese game series I've heard no one complain about the localization for is Fuga, evidently CC2 has good localizers too, I'd point out both CC2 and From are Bamco adjacent, which is interesting but then we have Sparking Zero which has questionable localization, so I dunno.

>>714724648
>Sparking Zero which has questionable localization
>looks it up out of curiosity
Oh god

It's mostly an American/Jewish thing. European and especially Asian developers try to have appropriate dialects.

The most egregious cases are when American voice actors get cast for medieval or ancient fantasy games. It just doesn't work. God of War is a good example. "You've ever been in love? It's good stuff!" (Spoken by a primordial demonic entity)

>>714725021
>when American voice actors get cast for medieval or ancient fantasy games. It just doesn't work.
Nah, it can work. Look at the Greek God of War games for example. Everyone speaks with American accents and it's fine. It all comes down to how the dialogue is written

I hate the designs of Odin and Thor in Ragnarok so much. When I think of Odin I think of pic related. Game depicts him as some modern neurotic American instead of a Nordic god. And Thor was a fat fuck

>>714721002
I see what you did there

Whats good dialogue to you?

>>714728056
The original GOW games

>>714728056
>>714720193
Yup. This is how you do it.

>>714730354
Yeah it's interesting because Final Fantasy has always had very modern dialogue too (not to mention American accents). Though it's not vulgar, and it's a bit more forgivable due to the sci-fi hybrid elements

>>714716938 (OP)
Education has gone to complete shit so most writers' knowledge of English barely extends beyond their twitter feed. They write this way because they don't know anything else.

>>714716938 (OP)
let me help you out anon
it's called an "anachronism"
a thing belonging or appropriate to a period other than that in which it exists, especially a thing that is conspicuously old-fashioned.
"everything was as it would have appeared in centuries past apart from one anachronism, a bright yellow construction crane"

>>714720193
We still say bugger in England.

>>714730727
england is more fantastical than most video games

https://youtu.be/4otR9gDHx1k
This guy pretty much nailed it

>>714719348
>No one's asking for Elizabethan English and use archaic words
I am. I love that in dragon's dogma. Obviously not every game should do it, or it wouldn't be special. But a few should.

>>714716938 (OP)
the games are just written by writers that care less. They don't care enough to adopt a style that feels appropriate for a fantasy world, let alone create their own style. They write characters that talk like 30ish year old millennials, and have the same basic problems as 30ish year old millennials. Even in a modern setting, these characters are pretty vapid and uninteresting. In a fantasy setting, they're horrifically out of place. But the writers don't care. It's not really a matter of them being bad writers: bad writers can still write a fantasy that feels like a fantasy(albeit a badly written one). It's purely due to lack of interest. They have no desire to write a fantasy story.

>>714716938 (OP)
the average normie has a hard time parsing Middle English let alone Olde English not to even fucking mention Old Norse (Icelandic), even with subtitles most of them would just flip on an English dub anyways
you'd lose 85% of the American audience right away and I say that as an Amerifat

>>714731232
Modern fantasy writers are literally just acting out the D&D campaigns they had with their friends. They may as well be AO3 coffee shop AUs

>>714716938 (OP)
It's called millennial writing and it's cancer.

>>714731260
Old English is literally a different language

>>714720994
This one gets a pass, simply because prostitution was just another job for thousands of years, without nearly the stigma that is has today. It was very common, and just a job that put food on the table.
People wanted sex. People had money. People exchanged sex for money. It was a simple fact of life, and some societies even reveled in it to the point that it was a holy endeavor. Sacred prostitution was a thing all the way back to Sumer and Babylon.
I have no doubt the writers did not know that, but they bumblefucked their way into actual history. What she did was just business, because that was the norm for thousands of years.

>>714731232
a lot of old mythologies like Norse or Greek were much closer to human, in their defense
a large part of early pre-Socratic philosophy would happen because certain ancient NOTICERS would realize the Gods seemed very fallible and human just like them

>>714717518
>Modern writers don't believe historical accuracy belongs in fantasy.
You say this like in our own history people didn't swear a lot. Years before we were using "fuck" there were plenty of other terms people used, swearing used to be really common, I'd say with the dominance of religion that swearing only got whacked with the "sinful" hammer.

>>714720994
>>714731570
How mentally ill are you faggots? He's not talking about his wife being a prostitute, you retard. He's talking about his wife leading a rebellion against Odin. Jesus, the fucking cuckshit brainrot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGVx94OkdQA

>>714720994
pornsickness speaks

>>714731709
If you're writing low-class peasant characters, sure, have them talk like louts. But we know exactly how members of nobility and clergy talked, because they're the ones who wrote all of the primary sources we have. Julius Caesar and Geoffrey Chaucer didn't say fuck every 5 seconds

>>714732073
Well do you think the characters in God of War were high class characters?
This just reminds me of people grasping at their pearls when they played KCD and were arguing that peasants wouldn't say "fuck".

>>714731848
In my defense, I was attempting to answer that shizoposter's idea of a woman doing 'modern fetish' business.
Which was probably my fault for giving an earnest response, but I saw it on the front page and it struck a nerve in my history-brain.

>>714731484
so is Icelandic :^)
the writing in the game wasn't really it's worse aspect, it's game play was
it and Too Human are actually pretty decent repaves of the Prose Edda, even if they are anachronistic in a lot of ways
i'd certainly recommend people just read the old Norse myths if they're interested, but the Prose Edda--like Dante's trilogy--is one long poem and that will filter 99% of people

>>714732169
>Well do you think the characters in God of War were high class characters?
...Do I think Thor and Odin, literal god-kings, are high class? Are you fucking retarded? They're the most royal of all royalty and the most clerical of all clergy

>>714716938 (OP)
I don’t want to hear a character that is supposed to be in a premodern setting say the word “my ex” like he’s a fucking 30 something living in New York.

>>714732320
depends on your definition of class
there's a lot of rape, murder, bestiality, etc in the Eddas
Odin rapes a girl, Loki has literal animal babies with a Giant

>>714732320
Not him but, Thor maybe not but he would definitely know basic manners, and Odin is supposed one of the most intelligent and wise mother fuckers in existence. He would know all about shit like decorum and class.

>>714716938 (OP)
What's bothered me is that villains have to be "Safe-Evil" because the writer doesn't want to be convicted of thoughtcrime.

>>714732586
>Odin rapes a girl
Huh?

>>714732073
Until the current president ours tended to put on a public face but also have a private face. Clinton said of a certain slimy levantine president (or prime minister whatever they elect) he was dealing with in the 90s
>"Whose the fucking superpower here?"
Because of how intransigent the guy was

"Here is an admirable and courageous man who always had balls up to his ass. It's just a shame that they are not always his." French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau referring to the homosexual French general conquering Morocco.

“nothing will make an Englishman shit so quick as the sight of General Washington.” Abraham Lincoln was noted for telling the story of a Revolutionary figure (Ethan Allen) in question.

NIxon.

LBJ.

>Eloquent at the podium, JFK could swear like a sailor (which he was, of course) away from the microphone. When word leaked that the Air Force had spent $5000 to furnish a maternity suite for Jackie Kennedy at Otis Air Force Base, the president knew the expenditure would be used as a political football. "This is obviously a fuck-up," he fumed to a hapless general over the phone.

>The folksy "Give 'Em Hell Harry" was beloved by some and tsk-tsked by others for the colorful language he attributed to his youthful days working on the Santa Fe railroad, when he slept in hobo camps. In Truman's eyes, General Douglas MacArthur was a "dumb son of a bitch," and Nixon was "a shifty-eyed goddamned liar."

>>714732586
Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, and other warrior-rulers probably raped and slaughtered people too. They still acted like dignified statesmen in a court setting

>>714732748
There is also this
https://youtu.be/nR_myjOr0OU?si=_mScVyK1xTEzGuMu

>>714732748
I'll caveat that you're right they didn't curse every single sentence. Unless you're Harry "Rice-cooker" Truman or John F "I pass a slut around between me, my brother and my friends" Kennedy.

So it'd be better to save the profanity for impact and gravitas, or to show them having a public face and a private one. Or to maintain the spirit of something being more of a theatrical epic than something mundane.

That said, there's zero reason to believe our past elites didn't curse up a storm too.

>>714732790
>They still acted like dignified statesmen in a court setting
I don't think that God of War exactly focused on "court settings".

>>714730354
unironically, yes
now go sit in a corner and think about how much of a fag you are

>>714732480
yeah it should at least be ex amica

>>714732679
yea he uses mind magic to make a princess named Rindr go mad and then rapes her in disguise
it's kinda murky between translations because in another he basically mind controls a king into raping his own daughter

>>714716938 (OP)
Competency crisis. Modern west coast american writers have no real life experiences to draw on besides daddy issues and "trauma." It infects their writing.
And because they can only write characters they're able to relate to, they all end up sounding the same.

>>714716938 (OP)
Yeah. It's nice when fantasy feels fantastic. Which can honestly go in a lot of different directions. Really anything except contemporary speaking patterns. So a lot of game writers not only fail at this, but you can notice a lot of them don't even try. It sucks. I'd rather see a failed attempt than no attempt at all

>>714732872
And yet every single god talks and acts as you would expect them to in the first six God of War games. It's only a problem in the 2 Norse games. Really makes you think, doesn't it?

>>714716938 (OP)
you have to play anime to find better dialogue now
and I've started to enjoy it immensely
pretty girls
good stories
fun gameplay
they're all 20+ hours with neat endgames
and I like how much they trigger fags on /v/ and r/games

>>714732748
>Here is an admirable and courageous man who always had balls up to his ass. It's just a shame that they are not always his.
This sort of thing supports OP's point. This crass banter is more well spoken and era neutral than serious dialogue from modern vidya.

>>714732913
what is Oedipus and Antigone

>>714732897
Or just say my former wife or something like that. Shit that sounds familiar enough but not to casual.

>>714733021
JRPG dialogue is horrendous too, but in a cringey melodramatic shonen way. It's downright charming compared to cynical degenerate western garbage. How about an RPG with good dialogue though, can we have that?

>>714733021
>le waifu slop and the power of friendship
>Japanese "gameplay"
hard pass bud

>>714732986
You got me there anon, fair enough.
I could argue that the Norse games have a much more relaxed setting but whether that's for actual story reasons or just modern writing is questionable.

>>714732612
Thor in Dad of War uses words like “ain’t”, “y’all” and “daddy” like hes some sort of Sons of Anarchy redneck biker.

>>714733957
>Thor in Dad of War uses words like “ain’t”, “y’all” and “daddy” like hes some sort of Sons of Anarchy redneck biker

>>714733746
One could make the argument that the Vikings were primitive savages, so their gods would be primitive savages, in contrast to the civilized Greeks and their civilized gods. Valhalla being a pathetic wooden mudshack instead of a giant golden palace is another example of this. So the characterization is almost intentionally subversive. But even if it is an intentional stylistic choice as opposed to default laziness, it's still lame

>>714734105
Greek gods were not civilized
read a book please

>>714734128
They were the most civilized society in the world at the time. Only the Persians came close

>>714731848
Not only that, it's also a cope out due to HIS past actions after having completely obliterated the Olympe.

>>714734268
oh, i misunderstood you
when i said civilized i meant in action and morals
but you mean technology

>>714716938 (OP)
Why was Odin Jewish in that game?

>>714734516
I thought he was Italian.

>>714731848
Funny how the omission of a line changes the context. I appreciate what you're trying to do here, but it's never going to stop the shitposters.

Is German an appropriate enough substitute for Norse language in these games?

>>714734636
It's literally just Icelandic. When the characters speak "Old Norse", it's just Icelandic

>>714734636
>>714734682
i think it'd be better if they just always spoke Icelandic and used subtitles but i think it's normal repellant

>>714734581
Honestly even if Kratos was talking about a previous lover of hers, it'd still be retarded cuckshit brainrot to make a big deal about it. Kratos remarried too but no one's calling Laufey a cuckquean

>>714734682
>>714734721
Yeah but since Icelandic isn't a dub choice, and for that matter any other successive language to Norse, I'm trying to go with the closest thing available.

>>714720642
And yet even at his most memey reddit dialogue he still spoke like he belonged to the setting, and not like a potty mouthed modern teenager.
All his stories are about fantastical stuff and magic, even his jokes.

>>714731709
Swearing has nothing to do with the problem. The point is to do something besides sounding like modern speakers. That might be using dialects specific to a time period or a certain region, or coming up with something original. Don't just half ass your way through story beats. Take every opportunity to establish and elaborate on the setting or characters.

>>714716938 (OP)

Speaking to Dad of War and not the wider trope, the entire point of the story is about the cycle of violence is familial structures, and the story is being told through the Gods who themselves are archetypes. I think the use of regular modern English dialog is to help the audience relate to the characters better, because the story itself is grounded in character drama.

>>714735238
>modern audiences are so stupid they're incapable of relating to characters unless they speak exactly like them
Yeah, I agree. Modern audiences are retards so let's churn out lazy soulless garbage to keep them fed

>>714735319
yeah that's American capitalism

What's the difference between English (US) and English (UK)?

>>714735490
English (US) is basically a dialect of English (UK)

>>714735594
Dialect?

>>714735631
close, dialectal vs dialectical

It's no different from Tolkien writing his stories in plain English and claiming they were appropriate translations from the original fantasy text

>>714716938 (OP)
Another thing Game of Thrones ruined for everyone.

English and Japanese are the only languages that matter anyway.

>>714735723
English, Chinese, Arabic

>>714735723
Wrong, Engrish is also important

>>714716938 (OP)
Might as well not use English then you absolute dumb fucking retarded cunt. Fuck I hate this board

>>714735690
>Tolkien's dialogue is comparable to modern video-game dialogue

>>714735803
>what are dialects

>>714735856
Tolkien writes dry as fuck, but this is a second layer of "missing the fucking point on purpose" I'm adding onto your own

>>714735984
Modern video-game dialogue is raunchy and juvenile. Tolkien's dialogue is tasteful and dignified. It's not comparable

>>714735930
i am in awe of the stupidity bruh thought he had something and thought he could pull a reddit posts with epic upboats

>>714735930
>>714736102
Retards

>>714736090
Tolkien wrote in completely average and literate English at the time in much the same way Shakespeare was writing for entertainment and thus chose plain English, historically speaking purposefully fancy dialogue in fiction is a very recent invention

>>714736191
You can write English dialogue without it being raunchy and tasteless. People have been doing it for about a thousand years

>>714736238
And you just prove again why you're a retard

>>714736303
>no argument, just seething
It's not even funny, it's just boring

>>714736231
>using shakespeare as an example of "plain english"

come on now

>>714716938 (OP)
damn bro
>hits vape
that's wild

>>714736231
You're failing to account for the fact that modern English is objectively ugly-sounding and grating on the ears. Tolkien's 1950s English works perfectly for fantasy. The decline of the English language since then has been sharp, and any writer who actually gives a shit can see that and will adjust their dialogue accordingly

>>714716938 (OP)
moot if he thor

>>714736517
Shakespeare's English is INCREDIBLY plain for the time.
>>714736597
Your great-grandmother would have heard the word "fuck" in conversation at the turn of the century, English now isn't notably different from English a century ago beyond curse words proliferating.

>>714736735
Jesus, you people are so fucking stupid

>>714736231
Setting aside your dishonesty, these games aren't even written using "average and literate English". They're written like a half literate ESL teenager's twitter posts.

>>714736796
>>714736876
>disagree
>you're lying! you're stupid! no rebuttal btw
/lit/ turning into a /pol/ satellite was a mistake

>um akshully shakespeare and tolkein were bad writers XDD
I'm out, you dumb cunts are beyond help.

>>714736942
You're arguing against a strawman you invented in your head. There isn't some prudish puritan saying you absolutely can't have a single swear word in a fantasy setting. Just that, if you're writing a noble dignified warrior in a fantasy setting, they shouldn't be saying fuck every 5 seconds

>>714737035
speaking of dishonesty

>>714731001
good vid, thx. but if Ursula Le Guin was complaining about it 50 years ago, we're surely in a worse state today

>>714737120
>a noble dignified warrior in a fantasy setting,
Like? OP seething about Dad of Boy should read up on Norse mythos, Thor was a bloated moron even in the original texts.

>>714737231
Odin. The character who's front and center in OP's picrel and is the literal god of wisdom

>>714716987
fpbp

>>714737308
He's not exactly a figure of dignity in Norse texts either, plus he's wise because of trading his eye with higher forces. There's a running theme in all the Norse myths that the gods held their powers through gear or mystic dealings.

>>714720193
Wrong, the books say fuck plenty of times, in fact there’s only 60 uses of bugger in all of the books

>>714737520
Show me where in the Prose Edda Odin says "it's a simple fucking concept"

>>714718534
>old GoW
It also had a crappy story and mediocre dialogue.

>>714719928
honestly, that reads awful as well. at the very least it "fits" better than modern lingo, but it doesn't make much sense. assuming you didn't accidentally leave a word or two out. as that isn't Elizabethan English at all and it would be the equivalent as nigger speak.
even then, the whole series is shit like that, just throwing Thou and Thoust in every sentence, -eth at the end of every word. its fucking maddening
>Ah, the Chosen Undead? Hahaha. Wouldst thoust liketh toeth goeth througheth theeth dooreth? HaestHaestHaest.

>>714719432
>millennials are the ones writing this shit
No, they are gen x

>>714737645
Show me where in the Prose Edda Odin doesn't sabotage an Asgard fort's builder to avoid payment by sending Loki to go fuck his horse and birth Sleipnir

>>714726117
Thor was fat and this design sucks for odin.

>>714737809
>even then, the whole series is shit like that, just throwing Thou and Thoust in every sentence, -eth at the end of every word. its fucking maddening
Only members of nobility speak like that. Most characters speak plainly but eloquently, like Tolkien characters. Also, the quote made perfect sense. You could argue the word choice and grammatical structure are archaic, but unless you're ESL it's a pretty simple and easily understandable statement

>>714737942
protip, most norse god glazers are neo-nazis or retarded greasy metalheads or they don't realize their idea of the norse gods comes from marvel comics lol

>>714737903
>he does underhanded things so that means he must've talked exactly like the Californian millennials who wrote the game
What a coincidence

>>714737903
nta but that was Loki's plan and it wasn't his plan to have sex, he was raped.

>>714731709
You are aware there's more to language than swears right, and that a way of speaking can change over time. Imagine a fantasy swords and wizards adventure where everything was straight bussin and fire yo. This isn't difficult to understand

>>714738121
Ehhhh the way the story is written the gods had absolutely no intention of ever paying the giant and they were pretty pissed he came close to fulfilling his end of a one-sided bargain. Loki was held accountable because he took the "no man may help" wording completely seriously. They were gonna renege on payment no matter what and kill him unceremoniously while claiming his building work for free when they figured out he was a giant

>>714738037
>members of nobility
Then they should speak it properly.
>quote made perfect sense
>argue the word choice and grammatical structure are archaic
It's not archaic, it's incorrect. Like I had said, it's the equivalent of nigger speak. Or if an ESL speaks English. That's what that quote reads like.

>>714738537
>>Mother, wouldst thou truly lordship sanction, in one so bereft of light?
It reads fine to me.
>Mother, would you truly lordship sanction, in one so bereft of light?
The only truly archaic thing is saying "lordship sanction" instead of "sanction lordship", but again, it's not grammatically incorrect, just archaic

>>714738107
>he does underhanded things
enormous understatement for the gods' actions and deals throughout the prose edda, not just odin's
>Californian millenials
mind-raped /pol/tard

>>714738821
You are just plain fucking stupid. Not even worth trying to explain anything to

>>714738907
deja vu
i have been in this post before >>714736796

>>714738724
>It reads fine to me.
>Went store, food, I got. Tomorrow cook I will.
That's legible, right? But it's wrong. It's just like that meme or whatever, "Why use lot word when few do good?". It is, undeniably, wrong and worded incorrectly. Which is what the quote is. It is literally not archaic, it's wrong. The word order breaks both modern and Shakespearean grammar. In Early Modern English, inversions had a purpose either for emphasis or rhythm. You wouldn’t see 'wouldst thou truly lordship sanction', cause that awkwardly sticks the object (lordship) before the verb (sanction) with nothing to justify it. THen It misuses “sanction.” You want 'sanction lordship', verb + object. 'Lordship sanction” reads like 'apple eat'. The proper Shakespearan or Elizabethan phrase would be more like
>Mother, wouldst thou sanction lordship in one so bereft of light?
or we can change the words to still get that proper fancy talk like
>Mother, wouldst thou grant such sway to one thus darkened?

>>714716938 (OP)
um no chuddie you will hear modern words and pick body type 1\2 you aren't supposed to forget LE REALITY

>>714737809
What exactly do you think doesn't make sense about that line? Are you just confused by the reversed ordering of 'lordship' and 'sanction'?

>>714716938 (OP)
honestly feels like some of you faggots are just reverting to puritanism at this point. people have been saying variations of "fuck" and "shit" for thousands of years. but you are 100% right about modern lingo and terminology.

>>714739563
This was me: >>714741051
Now I see your argument, but it's not clear to me what it would take to 'justify' an inverse ordering. I know of no such rule when it comes to using adjectives in a similar manner (ex: the Siege Perilous). I can find examples of inverted ordering with nouns and verbs easily just by searching phrases such as "A man I slew" on Google, and I see nothing I perceive as special 'justification' in the results I get.

>>714741926
Eh, when it comes to profanity, even in cases where it has a historical basis. I just feel it drags the whole thing down. I want my fantasy/myth to feel otherworldly, not dirty and mundane like daily life.

>>714741926
Because swearing feels lowbrow and immature when people are expecting some level of dignity and disassociation from reality. Just like how screaming and temper tantrums aren’t intimidating but a calm, composed villain or hero is. I dont see whats hard to understand. If you want to imagine how badly a piece of media like LOTR would be like if Frodo said stuff like “i just turned invisible with my fucking mind” or “straight up on god yo senpai” then do so.

>>714742547
So you want a sanitized, theme-park version of medieval fantasy. How is that any different from wokies who want wheelchairs and nonbinary elves?

>>714716938 (OP)
Be better, anon. We need to be better.

>>714742687
Theres multiple examples of fantasy that aren’t “sanitized” listed in this very thread. Swear words and trying to act cool are not indicative of maturity. Actual children are taught this and they understand it yet functioning “adults” making media with over 600 million dollars per game or movie cannot.

>>714737231
>Thor was a bloated moron even in the original texts

>>714717385
Irrelevant

>>714735490
The latter is a caliphate

>>714744337
>ur a joooooooo
Maybe there's something to that post earlier in the thread decrying modern Norse fanboys as neonazis and retards. Or mixing up Marvel's Thor with the religious one.

>>714731570
>without nearly the stigma that is has today. It was very common, and just a job that put food on the table.
Yeah that's bullshit. They had multiple insult words for whores that we don't even use anymore. They REALLY didn't like whores back then. You have your facts ass-backwards, son. It's modern day that treats whores as just another type of job, hence the term "sex worker" that never existed until the 2010s

>>714744725
Back then they didn't call them whores, they called them nuns

>>714744714
>Or mixing up Marvel's Thor with the religious one.
That's what you're doing, you retarded semitic worm.

>>714745502
Thor is not a bright boy in Norse mythos. I don't care how many album covers he's on.

>>714732748
But the point is whenever Clinton made a statement that blunt people noticed since it was so sparse. Expletives, were indeed explicit.

The Viking age was around 1,000 years after the Greek Age. You're also talking about Aesir who are depicted as complete assholes. If you're gonna nitpick lets be fair then, compare and contrast this with the old trilogy. Gods spoke proper, but acted like children: they never spoke to each other except to insult one another or threaten. With the Norse Gods, they act sophisticated to outsiders, then their language and attitudes betray their feelings of spitefulness.

>>714746417
Yes he is. He ruses a dwarf into turning to stone. Wisdom isn't a defining trait of his. But he's not a retarded oaf like the capeshit depiction.

>>714747703
nyoooooo they were all noble warriors

>>714717108
>What is the last game that actually sounded like a fantasy game?
FF12 and it's not even close:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e329dFLZFjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMGQOX1zKdA

>>714716938 (OP)
yes

>>714734128
They were the prototype of the modern ruling elite in all of its hypocritical decadence. You can't get more civilized than that.

>>714744714
A plotline Marvel would never be ballsy enough to do is acknowledge the fact the SS were neo-pagans and would had defaulted to Thor's judgement if they ever met, forcing him to reign in a bunch of ghoulish war criminals who nevertheless want to make him proud as if he were their dad.

>>714716938 (OP)
>modern lingo
>like “fuck” or “shit.”
fuckin retard

>>714719784
it is kind of a long winded cutscene though

>>714720036
Just finished the SR1 Demaster and I enjoyed dialogues so much
>Raziel: You are lost in a maze of moral relativism, Kain. These apparitions and portents... what game are you playing now?
>Kain: Destiny is a game, is it not? And now you await my latest move...

>Thor! Whaddup mah Aesirgga?
>Unc.. that oomfie Kratos killed your boys fr fr no cap. that's big oof. I bet you'll have a crashout.

>>714720193
Which makes sense for emotionality in a TV show. You wouldn't take anything seriously if they spoke like medieval brits.

>>714716938 (OP)
Major games will usually design dialogue by writing it all on a whiteboard and using the resulting soup as interchangeable, tiling filler.
There's no real quality assurance or process there.

>>714716938 (OP)
That's not even strongfat.
That's just a fat fuck.

>>714716938 (OP)
You can thank George RR Martin for that. Just have a vaguely British accent and you can say fuck or shit in your fantasy story all you like.

>>714716938 (OP)
this shit was like watching a bad modern sitcom

>>714718725
>all those jeets thinking trannywind with its horrible millenial writing is better
lmao

>>714717108
>BG3
>E33
>well written
what....? why do /v/ermin play this trash with woke shit in it and pretend its actually based but then bash actually based game with good writing as woke because e-celeb told them to?

>>714716938 (OP)
FFXIV still does it pretty well. Some of the dialogue feels pretty poetic, especially the Ivalice characters. Even the more vulgar characters use words like "whoresons", "shite" and "cutthroats", which still fits their world. And then DT ruined it by adding characters who just spoke regular English.

>>714733021
based
Faggots and trannies btfo

>>714716938 (OP)
I have been asking for this too. a lot, or may I say every fantasy game that's not "old" IS so damn boring and dull to listen to or even getting invested in its characters

looking for a newish game where characters talk and behave in a way that represent their time period/world setting

>>714738082
>>714737942
Where did you get this retarded idea from? Thor was described as powerful tall, not obese. Give me a source for what you're spouting, otherwise it's just bullshit.

>>714744714
You keep saying he's fat. Where did you get this from?

>>714719784
Son of a fucking bitch I was about to post LOK stuff too

https://youtu.be/tVKdZziMbdA

>>714718691
Dragon's Age dialogues are way worse than anything that tries to copy GoT. I would rather watch another unnecessary swearing character than modern leftist in medieval setting.

>>714733282
pay me money in advance and I will give you an rpg of the decade

>>714717108
If bg3 has one glaring weakness is the the writing is completely and utterly atrocious. You, yes (you), could do a better job with a seminar in game writing, a couple of months of time and a porn folder lacking NTR and bestiality.

>>714736942
>muh /pol/
blaming the toilet for shit that came out of your own ass

>>714750498
they didnt do any warcraimes so it doesn't matter

>>714758473
>implying that you can't be tall and fat at the same time.
lol
>Where did you get this retarded idea from?
From the myths, we know he is fat because he participated in an eating contest and his big appetite was always described.
Also this art doesn't count because it was drawn by a Christian.

>>714750498
In the comics, the Nazis summon Thor and he tells them to fuck off.

>>714759352
Plenty of heroes took part in eating contests, such as Hercules for example, and nobody would later describe them as fat. That's not good enough. You need to give an actual source for the description in which he is described as overweight or fat or obese, or having a large gut or a large belly.

>>714750498
Already happened.

>>714759352
>we know he is fat because he participated in an eating contest and his big appetite was always described.
He was just a shonen protagonist. Appetite doesn't equal fat. They were norse, not amerimuts.

>>714752829
I can't believe I'm certainly going to bite the bullet and buy the remaster next month, remaster I'll be playing with the original graphics anyway because they obviously used ai for the modern textures, and all that while I already have lok/soul reaver 1 available with emulation.
I suppose I'm going to buy it for soul reaver 2 mainly. That's the only one I didn't play.

>>714717108
Disco Elysium is a modern-ish setting
BG3 is not well written
Bad post

>>714731071
>ought ought ought ought ought
abhorrent taste

>>714759604
>I'll be playing with the original graphics anyway
i do that actually.
also they've included deleted/lost stages you can see as bonus content and it was fun roaming around those areas

Every Fire Emblem since Awakening.

>>714716938 (OP)
you get what you get when you hire Anthony Burch

Start Killing Videogames might be god in the case of God of War Ragnarok

>>714717108
it could also swing too far the other way. Metaphor Refantazio is an exhausting game to sit through with how fucking flowery and overly verbose all the writing is. and there is a lot of it, basically when you're prompted to go talk to people around the towns that means an hour or two of deciphering Shakespeare.

Modern writers don't take anything seriously so they just write in vulgarities with pop culture references. It wouldn't surprise me to hear Dragon Age has scenes talking about how Hulk Hogan is a FUARKING misogynist, or something.

there's also just the general sentiment that caring is for faggots, much better if one can build an image of being aloof and above it all like all my adult cartoon shows do - Family Guy, South Park etc

I loved E33 but even that had 2 or 3 lines that annoyed me

>>714759497
>>714759541

>>714760326
true

>>714718691
delighted to be long out of this franchise

>>714760768
The original goal post was a description of Thor as fat being sourced - not appetite or eating competitions, or your own conclusions you derived thereof. If anything, it was you who tried to shift the goal posts, as you still haven't given an actual source.

I think you were just full of shit at this point and can't admit to it.

>>714726117
>Game depicts him as some modern neurotic American
Because that's what he literally is. The actor is a kike manlet from Brooklyn. The gods in the new games are not imposing in the least. The dialogues alone are enough to disregard the direction they went in. From Zeus's theatrically imposing delivery of
>Petulant child I will tolerate your insolence no more!
to
>Mimir where ar yuo you lidl shid? xDDD
It's absolutely embarassing and lazy, the new gods all look and act like urbanite cucks. Tattoos, shitty haircuts, awful dialogue, nothing about them seems mythical or godly. This is even more evident in Ragnarok. Thor had some chance to look good judging by his appearance at the end of GoW 2018. But they couldn't contain themselves
>Nooooo le gods are meant to be corrupt and evil!
They managed to do that just fine in the Greek trilogy while still making them imposing and powerful. There is NOTHING mythical about Odin.

I hate how the latest version of DCSS added a reference to "wetlands conservation" (Eringya's Surprising Crocodile). It's even more unforgivable than the pronouns shit they added. Pronouns are jarring but don't necessarily break the fundamental assumptions of fantasy. Environmentalism is a bigger problem because it's incompatible with the worldview of fantasy's foundational works: Lord of the Rings, and Dungeons and Dragons. LotR is based around Christianity. D&D is based around the American frontier mythology. The whole concept of environmentalism is foreign to both of them. "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." And kill all the passenger pigeons too. Man can't defeat nature without industrialism. The idea that nature has to be conserved is absurd in a fantasy setting. The Ents destroyed Isengard.

>>714760768
You failed to provide any source for Thor being fat. As in, anyone describing, calling, or mentioning the fact he is fucking fat. Perhaps Thor looked like Matt Stonie, since he too frequently wins eating contests :^)

>>714737231
>>714736942
>>714736735
>>714735690
>>714738082
I see you there, little buddy. What, you had no XIV thread to shit up today so you decided to pick a different fight about muh neopagan tradcaths?

>>714761865
You're not going to get him to admit he's a lying faggot, he's just going to start posting TF2 reaction images and say he was never interested in arguing with you. This retard frequents FFXIV threads and engages in this same faggoty behavior there every day.

>>714761837
>D&D is based around the American frontier mythology.
No? A vaguely medieval setting that is sitting on top of the ruins of a more advanced and rich civilization is clearly based on the fall of the roman empire. In OD&D the whole concept was to raid ruins for riches so you could establish a fiefdom. Orcs are germanics not indians or blacks.

>>714762006
The idea of individual adventurers seeking glory is very American.

>>714761837
>Man can't defeat nature without industrialism
And yet Chrustcucks was around for over a thousand years before industrialism became a thing. Oh, you are a fairy tale enjoyer, I mean 1000 days of course. Young earth and all that.

>>714761587
Here's your Odin bro
>Schiff and his family are Jewish. His grandfather was alleged to have connections to New York’s Jewish Mafia
Nordic as fuck, Ashkenazi Jewish ethnicity

>>714718725
>People swore back in the day too
Yeah Shakespeare is always effin an jeffin

>>714762049
Sure, if you ignore all mythology ever.

>>714716938 (OP)
why do norse people speak in american accent?

>>714716938 (OP)
Yeah but the other thing we had was kind of the same thing
Instead of a everyday way of talking a lot of classic rpg's did ye old english, which also doesnt make sense since its grounded in reality.
They could make its own thing 100% but in most, if not all cases, its kind of cringe.
Shit like "By Ingromths Hamer!", stupid shit like that. Its not like you get more immersed by that

>>714716938 (OP)
that bs kills immersion. how am i supposed to immerse myself in a fantasy setting where everyone talks like a potty mouth campus liberal

>>714762170
We really should go back to people speaking like they would have back then. It would of course be incomprehensible to everyone, but as long as it makes you happy, it's worth it.

>>714762527
Bizarre and not anywhere close to what i said or even implied

>>714731570
Just keep the whole thing out of the damn game.

>>714716938 (OP)
no one would complain if they just use non mutt accents. Mimir was just fine

>>714761837
In LotR, Saruman actually was building some kind of industrial scale smithy for his army, with descriptions mentioning a tower releasing smoke and the destroying nearby forests for resources and expansion of Isengard. The narration in the book specially calls out the green that used to exist there and was replaced by Saruman's buildings, furnaces and contraptions. Also mentions "iron wheel revolving there endlessly" (AKA gears).

>The Ents destroyed Isengard.
I mean after Saruman had sone some devastation that the narrative highlighted and also was stretching his armies to expand. It's not like he tried building those armies and then was immediately crushed by the Ents. They only went right alongside the time Saruman's main army had fallen already.

And then he attempts another indsutrialization project at the end of the book, where once again the narrative highlights the ecological damage, even if he ends up beaten even more easily this time since he doesn't even have powers or an army.

Do you think people didn't curse historically?

Any over-exaggerated modern accents and speech mannerisms make me annoyed in fantasy games now. Western games are particularly annoying. Fuck off with peasants talking like modern hillbillies and fuck off with nobles sounding posh British every time.
>Pirate character
>YARR ME HEARTIES SHIVER ME TIMBERS

>>714762370
This. Don't just throw in "historical" cliches.

In how many years do you anons believe they'll start making fantasy games like GoW with characters speaking in "fr no cap" and "skibidi toilet" lingo?

>>714763003
>Fuck off with peasants talking like modern hillbillies and fuck off with nobles sounding posh British every time.
Isnt it just a narrative device to show information without explicitly spelling it out.

>>714763003
The aggregated accents is part of feeling unique, it's the same thing Victorian's did at the height of the British Empire.
Being British wasn't special, when they'd talk to Austrian, Norwegian, Spanish, Portuguese or anyone they'd be the bland norm across the world, nothing special about them.
So they made up a bunch of shit. In Cornwall they started pretending that they wasn't English for the last 900 years and making up a language again. In Scotland they made up stories about "clans", clan tartans and speaking "Scots" which is no different than crossing over to the next town in England.

It's just the modern version. You're not just an English voice actor, you're a wee lassie fra u' Scatlund ye aren' just aboat anywan.
They have to exaggerate themselves because they want to feel more unique than everybody else. Part of it is having a big ego, part of it is being brought up in cultures that Victorians exaggerated and as a result they continue to exaggerate.

>>714763156
How is that in any way needed when you can probably immediately tell the social status of the person just by looking at them and taking into account the context in which you meet them? You can also just use more complex vocabulary without sounding painfully Bri'ish, or talk in a cruder, straightforward way without sounding like a modern hick.

>>714763790
And none of that makes any sense within the context of a random fantasy game world. As interesting as history is, just taking random bits and pieces like that and putting it into a world where none if it makes sense, well, makes no sense.

It just comes across as a very lazy way to try to make a character unique in a game. Like is giving the character an over-exaggerated irl accent the only way you can make it memorable in any way? Really?

>>714762006
>>714762171
Dark ages setting assumes all land is already claimed. D&D does not.
>>714762140
You're missing the point. Christianity tells man to strive to dominate nature because it assumes nature is stronger. Fantasy fiction agrees. You can't have environmentalism in fantasy without breaking this assumption.
>>714762863
Attempted industrialism was presented as villainous, and failed because an individual was defeated. This is not the same as the modern environmental damage that environmentalism works against. Modern environmentalism is about applying state regulation to fix a weakness of pure industrial capitalism (tragedy of the commons). That's not something that has any place in fantasy.

>>714759352
>and his big appetite was always described.
>always
no, it comes up once in Thrymskvitha which is a comedy. Thor is doing a really bad job disguising himself as Freya as he sucks down like 20 oxen and 50 barrels of mead and the incredibly dimwitted (or perhaps incredibly horny) King Thrymr for some reason can't see through the disguise.

>>714763926
It doesn't make sense, unless you're so divorced from the medium and you're injecting identity bullshit into it to try and pat yourself on the back and pad it up with your wrong assumptions.
It's easy to blame the people that brought them onto the project but part of the blame goes to the voice actors themselves. It's like The Rock. He's not playing a character, he's playing as The Rock from wrestling inserted into the movie.

It's lazy but equally just incompetency. The problem with games is that writers are fresh out of university, they don't have the life experience.
They've never met someone posh that sounds working class or someone working class with a hint of poshness in them, they've not spent years living across their country hearing different accents and ways of speaking. So who do they go to? The people that exaggerate, because they're incapable of knowing the subtleties that years give you.

NTA on top but I'm English working class, I could easily force myself to sound differently and it's as clear as day which one is natural and which one is an act if compared to me just speaking normally.

>>714760165
That's the translators fault

>>714737903
The wall-builder was a Jotunn, aka ~demon. Thor would have rightly imploded his skull. That one is lucky he got away with just being gipped on getting to marry Freya.
>NOOO NOT THE HECKIN' WHOLESOME CHUNGUS CHAOS DEMONS WHO DESTROY THE COSMOS, THEY'RE HECKIN' GOOD BOYERINOS

>>714764309
Somehow I was thinking purely from the perspective of written dialogue, in which case it makes even less sense. I wouldn't fault a British VA for sounding British if that's who they hired to speak the lines. The writing could still be ass though.

>>714764846
It's a question of is it the written dialogue or are they hiring voice actors that exaggerate it to sound special, and are asking them to improvise the lines they've written?
I doubt that they're writing exaggerated speaking and mannerisms and it's more a case of the voice actor doing improv.

Because like mentioned, if I speak normally you'll hear an English accent, working class from the midlands that has picked up pieces from different accents as I've travelled but I could easily put on a heavy accent using slang that you'd need a dictionary for that is hard to understand verbally if you've never heard it before. I could also write normal English or pretend I'm special and write in my accent as though the language is phonetic.

>to be frank
nobody in the game is called frank
you can not be frank
what a nonsense

yes, i know what it means and its fucking dumb

>>714765424
frank is better than clarence so I kinda want to be called frank

>>714765532
but you still can not be him

>>714765548
at least I can cope online

>>714765532
>>714765574
ywnbf

>>714716938 (OP)
There is one Amalur game, where remaster had been created not by tge original dev team, but by some people from the completely different country entirely (from Germany). Despite remaster containing mostly bugfixes and a slight bloom reduction only, addon by this new team sucks. It fits your description neatly, most NPCs talk modern lingo (despite the original game being a fairy tale about legendary irish elves recreating their legends through songs and fighting their evil counterpart). Addon defiles the original in many ways, but this is the first thing you encounter almost instantly upon entering that new addon.

>>714716938 (OP)
>NOOO! THEY NEED TO SPEAK NORWEIGAN!
>AND NOT MODERN DAY NORWEIGAN! ANCIENT NORWEIGAN THAT IS SO FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAT NOT EVEN NATIVE NORWEIGANS COULD UNDERSTAND IT!

>>714765874
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>714766028
>>AND NOT MODERN DAY NORWEIGAN! ANCIENT NORWEIGAN THAT IS SO FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAT NOT EVEN NATIVE NORWEIGANS COULD UNDERSTAND IT!
I think norse is partially intelligible to modern icelanders, actually.
At least that's what I've heard. I obviously don't speak either

>>714765876
ah shit really? post examples
>>714766028
trve

>>714766028
yes

>>714764039
>Dark Age setting assumes all land is claimed
No. I know that being a historylet is kinda of a genetic trait for mutts but you can do better.

>>714716938 (OP)
While I agree on the modern lingo part, what exactly is wrong with them swearing? Swearing only bothers me with a character when they can't fucking stop doing it.

>>714766225
>what exactly is wrong with them swearing?
it's the same issue, it's usually anachronistic. The gods and mythical heroes of norse paganism never say things like "fuck" or "shit."

>>714766225
>what exactly is wrong with them swearing?
imo, in the case where swearing beings are claimed to be gods, it's rather off-putting to listen someone speak in the same manner as a crazy hobo you encounter daily on your way to your job than someone, you know, rather different?

>>714718878
>>714719262
A "full stop" is a period. They still use it in British English to this day.
In context she's using it, it just means that there is nothing more to be said on the matter. It would be similar to say "Anaris is evil, and there's nothing more to it".

"Straight up" is a little more abstract. But it's describing something that's is true, without any qualifications, stipulations, or complications. It is exactly as it seems. So you might say "Anaris is straight up evil". Meaning, there are no ifs ands or buts to be discussed. Anaris is simply evil.

>>714766575
Thanks ChatGPT, but that is not the point.

>>714766381
In the case of god of war, sure I agree Odin saying fuck and shit feels out of place. I thought you meant in terms of fantasy in general.

>>714766575
You're giving it the wrong context.
A full stop is what you call a period, it's a . but the context of the writing isn't describing punctuation.
It's a replacement for "period." It's young millennial/older zoomer slang.

>But Amaris is evil. Period. And if my brother's working with him
That is the context of it, it being the name of punctuation in English has no bearing on the sentence.

>>714766451
>speak in the same manner as a crazy hobo you encounter daily on your way to your job
your hobos talk coherently?
Mine usually just ramble incoherently to themselves. Except for this one black hobo who pushes a shopping cart around the city while screaming the phrase "You got me fucked up!" at the top of his lungs to no one in particular.

"Straight up" sounds outdated, we need something more progressive like "Queer down"

>>714766881
Anon your post is very rizz and skibidi. Apply as writer for califronian game devs now!
fr fr no cap ong

>>714766881
>"Queer down"
what's that supposed to be, your obituary?

>>714766881
SANTA MONICA! HIRE THIS FOLK!

I think it actually should be "ond" as in "on deity" so we can include all religions!

>>714716938 (OP)
they always did dumbass

>>714766849
Reading comprehension issue.

>>714716938 (OP)
Every single bit about these vile nu-GoW games radiates the devs hatred of Nordic people and our culture.
I don't just mean making Thor into an obese lardass, or making Odin into a frail skeleton even though he's a warrior god too. Its every bit of it.
Just look, the characters are covered in tattoos. They even have neck and face tattoos like modern trailer park trash. Norse pagans had NO tattoos at all. Tattooing has always been verboten in Nordic/Germanic cultures.

>>714731570
Unhinged jewish poster, classic.
It wasn't a stigma among your people maybe, but in Germanic pagan culture women were married as virgin teens, there were no other alternatives. Any woman who cheated was allowed to be killed by her husband if caught cheating, and if otherwise proven, then the village women would execute her by cutting her hundreds of times with knives until she bled to death, and the man involved in that cheating was hanged above her burned ashes.
There was no prostitution pre-christianity, which tolerates whores and forgives any sinner.
Kratos is in a pagan Nordic setting in this game. The game fails completely to portray accurate Nordic culture, which was very patriarchal and not at all this feminist bs the game is full of.

>>714737942
Thor was never described as fat in Norse religion. The game devs came up with that and easily gaslighted you, the NPC that you are.

>>714738082
Our idea of Norse gods comes from Norse culture. And there is nothing wrong with being National Socialist, its the most righteous ideology. Thor was in no way fat in Norse tales.
Christkikes are mentally retarded.

>>714759352
>From the myths, we know he is fat because he participated in an eating contest and his big appetite was always described.
Thats an extremely mentally retarded logic. Jewish, even.
He wasn't described fat therefore he wasn't. He is a god, he's not subject to the same laws that mortals are.

>>714720786
>You're right but your examples are mostly wrong.
I think you're the one who fails to udnerstand what was being said.

>>714716938 (OP)
>that the point of fantasy was so it could distance itself from the conventions and stigmas that define our world, not mirror it.
You're wrong

>>714768870
>in Germanic pagan culture women were married as virgin teens, there were no other alternatives
lol, shut up retard
You do know that the Old Testament has some very strict laws regarding virginity btw? You are projecting your own modern, Judeo-Christian values onto an idealised "pagan" past that you basically just invented to LARP in
>There was no prostitution pre-christianity
"Oldest profession in the world" for a reason

>>714732169
People of my grandparents generation literally do not curse, what makes you think medieval Europeans did? What do you think the "curseword" means? People believed that using them would put curses on people. You would only use curses if your whole life had been destroyed by someone and you wanted to curse their lineage to suffering. It was not lightly used.

>>714764039
>This is not the same as the modern environmental damage that environmentalism works against.
Yes it is, retard.

>>714732586
>Odin rapes a girl
Thats normal for warriors to do, your view of women as a protected class is modernist. Throughout history only your own kin were off limits, foreign women existed to be taken just like their treasures existed for that.
>Loki has literal animal babies with a Giant
Loki is not a role model, he is the villain who causes the end of the world. He is the Satan figure. The point of Loki stories is "DON'T be like him".

>>714734105
Germanics were far more civilized than Romans though. Romans were degenerate as hell, and Tacitus the Roman historian was very impressed with German culture when he witnessed it. How chaste and noble their morals were, how intolerant of degeneracy, etc.
>Valhalla being a pathetic wooden mudshack instead of a giant golden palace is another example of this. So the characterization is almost intentionally subversive.
Thats what this is. The games are made by jews who absolutely despise Nordic Aryan people and just wanted to make some propaganda.

>>714735984
The entire Silmarillion is written in poem. You're a fucking retard.

>>714741926
Wrong. People genuinely did not curse through most of history.

>>714769230
>People of my grandparents generation literally do not curse
lmao
Child, you cannot be serious

>>714769340
>He is the Satan figure.
Fuck off, coloniser.

>>714744714
You are a jew. We know for a fact from the month 4chan was offline and all IPs leaked, that 80% of this websites posters are Israelis.
80 PERCENT.
Theres nothing wrong with National Socialism, its the most justified ideology in history.
>Or mixing up Marvel's Thor with the religious one.
No, its simply just a lie that he "was fat in Norse religion". He wasn't. Its completely an idea invented by this games devs and you are a retarded jew.

>>714769514
>Tacitus the Roman historian was very impressed with German culture when he witnessed it. How chaste and noble their morals were, how intolerant of degeneracy, etc.
Yeah, I guess he started the tradition of using fantasy to comment on the mores of one's own society.

>>714750498
Weird jew larp.
Thor and Odin loved the National Socialists precisely for the reason that they were loyal to their own kin and to their own gods.
What kind of retarded logic are you even trying to push here? "Reign in" the people who broke free from kike worship and returned to their own gods?

>>714769852
>We know for a fact from the month 4chan was offline and all IPs leaked, that 80% of this websites posters are Israelis.
>80 PERCENT.
At the same time that 4chan went full nazi, makes u think
I guess if you genuinely believe this shit you were the victim of a Mossad psy-op to stoke anti-Semitism among gullible and ultimately impotent incels in order to harness Jewish victimhood for their own ends

>>714746417
He absolutely is. Wisdom and cleverness are some of the most valued traits in Norse religion and all the heroic figures are portrayed so.
You're a kike.

>>714769701
You speak with the confidence of someone who has never read any historical texts in his life

>>714770024
Wisdom and cleverness are associated with Odin, and otherwise mostly with women, which is why Odin is considered somewhat effeminate. Thor is a masculine brute. Loki is also clever and considered untrustworthy and scheming.

Missed a golden opportunity to make thor and odin black people so we could have an iconic line like "By Odin's fade!"

>>714719135
i love some of the in-game notes you find in bloodborne. "madmen toil surreptitiously in rituals to beckon the moon" has stuck in my brain ever since i read it

>>714770230
>lowkey, that line is kinda fire ond, fr fr no cap

>>714766849
>full stop
people have been saying full stop for hundreds of years

>>714764498
Not a demon, but a villain.
"Demon" is actually jewish gaslighting about native European gods. It comes from the Greek word "daemones" which meant gods and spirits, all kinds of benevolent and powerful spiritual beings that aid humans.
The jews and jew worshippers retconned that word to mean bad creatures.
Its like all those people they executed for witchcraft and satanism, these people were not actually satanists you know. Satanism didn't exist until 1900's. Those people just worshipped Odin or some other god of their own people, and the christians executed them for, because the judeochristian view is that all who do not worship Yahweh, worship Satan. But those people weren't christians, they didn't even believe Satan exists.

>>714769226
I am objectively right.
>You do know that the Old Testament has some very strict laws regarding virginity btw?
Most cultures did back then. Jews didn't invent that.
>You are projecting your own modern, Judeo-Christian values onto an idealised "pagan" past that you basically just invented to LARP in
Nope, prechristian Europeans were strictly patriarchal and women could only marry as virgins. Used goods women were killed or chased off into the woods, shunned from the community. Cheaters were executed. Homosexuals were all throat cut and then thrown in bogs, sometimes buried alive in mud.
This is our culture. Tolerance of whores and cheaters is not European, its modernist rot.
>"Oldest profession in the world" for a reason
What a terrible argument. This saying itself is modernist judeoculture and not true at all of course. Hunter is the oldest profession. To say that most primeval hunter gatherer humans had prostitution, is hilariously retarded and wrong. Sex existed only for procreation, continuation of the tribe in a hostile world full of monsterlike animals like European cave lions and sabertooth tigers.
Prostitution did not exist in Germanic culture until christianity.

>>714719376
The characters still speak in that same English in the Japanese version.

>>714769771
Its a fact, they don't.
Elderly people in my Nordic country do not curse.
>>714769845
You're an idiot. I am Odinist. You're too stupid to understand what I was saying.

>>714770017
4chan has been full NS for like a decade.
Its only natural, as the entire western world is going to be. I dunno how you still havent figured this out, but the Nazis were right about everything, right about the jews.
This time the revolution will span over 50 countries.
>>714769906
No, he was accurate. It is how the Germanics lived.

>>714770634
>I am objectively right.
You are objectively wrong. You have no idea what ou are atalking about. Everything you are describing is, ironically, closer to ancient Jewish society than Germanic paganism. This is not your culture. You, in fact, do not have a culture. You are larping.

Tacitus describes prostitution among the Germans btw

>>714770224
Maybe read the stuff actually instead of just parroting jewish cartoon versions of it.
Odin is a warrior god and entirely masculine and patriarchal in manner.
Thor is in no way depicted as a brute.

>>714770710
>I am Odinist.
i.e. a larper trying to fit a Judeo-Christian structure onto a dead religion.

>>714716938 (OP)
Game writing has shifted toward targetting the lowest common denominator, moreso than ever before. This is because instead if thinking "I didn't understand it, I may have missed something." Gamers think "I didn't understand it, the writing is shit the writer didn't have a clue what they're doing it's bad."
Subtlety is a death sentence and guarantees criticism. Developers need to protect their bottom line so they become cowards.

>>714770875
Nope, you're wrong and seething.
Our people have since dawn of time been very strictly patriarchal and chaste, intolerant of sexual deviancy and promiscuity.
You are pathetically ignorant of bronze age history, which we know was a history of Aryans conquering every corner of Europe and crushing the matriarchal indigenous Neolithic farmer cultures.
Prechristian European culture and civilization is founded on Aryan values, patriarchal values, which have no tolerance for whoring etc.
Its very ridiculous of you to try and rewrite our well researched and known history.
>Tacitus describes prostitution among the Germans btw
No he didn't. Now you're just blatantly lying because of how upset you are.

>>714770810
>No, he was accurate. It is how the Germanics lived.
We know for a fact that Tacitus exaggerated several aspects of Germanic culture in order to hold up a mirror to Roman society. Most notably, the alleged habit of Germanic warriors to die with their lord. We know from other sources that this was not the case (in fact it was the duty of the surviving kinsmen to avenge their lord) and besides that, being honourbound to die when your lord dies would see entire tribes easily eliminated so it would be suicidally stupid on a societal level. But Tacitus praised the Germans for their willingness to die when their lord is killed.

>>714770905
Anon, you are parroting the mainstream "Jewish cartoon" version, what I am telling you is what you learn if you actually study the shit. Odin is not an uncomplicated manly man stereotype to neatly correspond to the modern fantasy conception of vikings as strong warriors. His quest for wisdom leads him to appropriate "feminine" magic.

>>714770942
Seething jew rat
The only larper is an Aryan following a jewish religion.
I'm not fitting anything about their degenerate religion to ours, patriarchal order is merely something most cultures around the world came to on their own because its the only thing that works, retard.
Bronze age pagan Aryan culture = women were married as virgins and there was no place for single women or prostitutes. That was introduced by the tolerance of christianity which no longer executed for whoring, but forgives it if "genuinely regretted" by the sinner.

>>714770024
>Wisdom and cleverness are associated with Odin, and otherwise mostly with women, which is why Odin is considered somewhat effeminate.
Vikings weren’t unga bunga caveman retards, dumbass. Norse men spent a lot of their time practicing law in court and composing poetry.
>Thor is a masculine brute.
And yet one of the most famous stories about Thor is him outwitting an incredibly knowledgeable spirit.
>Loki is also clever and considered untrustworthy and scheming.
No one considers Loki clever you marvelslop retard. He’s not a devious scheming mastermind, he’s just a total bitch made prick who fucks with people in extremely low IQ ways, like in Lokasenna where he randomly murders an innocent dude out of jealousy and then drunkenly slanders all the gods to their faces because they had the gall to get mad at him for murdering an innocent dude.

>>714771146
>Nope, you're wrong and seething.
Yup, you're wrong, seething, and projecting.
I realise this shit is very important to your self-image, but that also seems to be the main thing it's based on. Not actual historical sources. Just how you like to perceive yourself. It's frankly pathetic. Find some meaning in your life that isn't derived from misconceptions and fantasies about your "aryan" ancestors, larp kid.

>>714716938 (OP)
Yeah I hate this. I much prefer how they spoke in games like Legacy of Kain.

>>714771405
>Norse men spent a lot of their time practicing law in court and composing poetry.
Did I claim otherwise? Again, you are projecting your own modern values on them, by implying that poetry is an "effeminate" pursuit. Obviously, that was not the case among the ancient Norse, so saying this does not provide a counterexample at all. Magic, however, was effeminate.

>>714766138
>post examples
Enjoy. First notable one would be the guard "clerk" inside the addon location.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HtYvyTkwV0U&list=PL5dr1EHvfwpO2YyThjXEFX2yXyv2JmU2Q&index=31

I think modern writers are incapable of writing ye olde english.

>>714771635
Lord knows that the ones who try tend to fuck it up. Not that /v/ knows any better, either, so the effort is still praised regardless.

>>714769318
In LotR, industrialism was defeated. Once you start talking about "conservation" you've already accepted that industrialism won.

>>714771163
>We know for a fact that Tacitus exaggerated several aspects of Germanic culture in order to hold up a mirror to Roman society.
No we don't, thats just a theory. One not as good as him just being accurate.
>Most notably, the alleged habit of Germanic warriors to die with their lord.
He didn't say that, you're being misleading. He said Germanic warriors were expected to each try and be more brave than their lord and not be afraid to charge into battle, and their lord expected to outdo his men in bravery as well.
Typical jew just lying, lying, lying.
>>714771316
No, I am speaking of the real historical, religious Odin. You are the one parroting modernist revisionism of Odin.
Fucking hell you are an unhinged retard.
>Odin is not an uncomplicated
No one said that.
He was the epitome of wisdom, as well as a masculine, patriarchal warrior figure.
You're a liar and a retard.
>to neatly correspond to the modern fantasy conception of vikings as strong warriors
Thats not a fantasy concept thats a historical reality, and also Odin is many thousands of years older than viking culture, you deceitful rodent.
>His quest for wisdom leads him to appropriate "feminine" magic.
No, you are confused. Its not feminine or masculine for a god to use magic, because he is a god and not a human. It was only considered feminine for a human to pursue magic.

>>714771146
The fucking saddest thing of all is just how incredibly permeated you are with Judeo-Christian values that fly directly in the face of the tradition you are trying to arrogate.

>>714716938 (OP)
>king of the gods is a new york rabbi
WE... MUST... BE... BETTER MEN...

>>714771816
>He didn't say that, you're being misleading.
He absolutely did say that, it's a widely discussed passage in Anglo-Saxon studies because of the parallels with some historical episodes.
>He was the epitome of wisdom, as well as a masculine, patriarchal warrior figure.
Right, like I said: androgynous. According to Germanic values.
>Thats not a fantasy concept thats a historical reality
Sure bruh
>and also Odin is many thousands of years older than viking culture
Vikings are also a thousand years older than anything you think you know about Odin, so
>Its not feminine or masculine for a god to use magic, because he is a god and not a human. It was only considered feminine for a human to pursue magic.
Cope. Thanks for admitting I'm right.

>>714771405
>Wisdom and cleverness are associated with Odin
Yes
>and otherwise mostly with women
Wrong, Norse culture was extremely patriarchal and women were considered silly and childish (as they are) and reduced to a domestic role.
All matters of intellectualism and wisdom, governing etc. were mens work exclusively. The ONLY case in which a woman was allowed anything of the sort was if there were no male heirs, she would inherit her dead husbands estate and manage it. But never, ever allowed in politics or any other field of pursuit of wisdom.
>which is why Odin is considered somewhat effeminate
He wasn't, you're parroting David Green kike nonsense.
>Vikings weren’t unga bunga caveman retards
No one said that.
>Norse men spent a lot of their time practicing law in court and composing poetry.
Yes, men. Not women, who were banned from such pursuits, and existed just to be married as virgins and bred.
>And yet one of the most famous stories about Thor is him outwitting an incredibly knowledgeable spirit.
Are you replying to the wrong person? I have been saying for dozens of posts that Thor was wise.
>>714771581
I don't know who's jewing who anymore, two anti-Nordic kikes arguing with each other now.

>>714716938 (OP)
No appeal in historically accurate swears; and mom doesn't want little Jimmy to learn new swears.

>>714771419
I am objectively right, it upsetting you is of no consequence or importance. Sorry not sorry.
Actual history proves that Aryan culture has always been incredibly patriarchal and intolerant of femininity in any other role than as married housewives, who were married off as virgins.
Its funny that the actual historical consensus makes you this mad. Shows you are a kike who is seething that our culture is just that much better than your degenerate one.

>>714771581
>Magic, however, was effeminate.
No, it’s not. Thor practices magic when he uses his hammer to consecrate things, and raise his goats from the dead. He also practices magic by summoning storms with his beard.
Divination is feminine, but divination is only feminine because it’s mostly practiced by women, not because of any inherent qualities of the practice itself.

>>714772205
>Actual history proves that Aryan culture has always been incredibly patriarchal and intolerant of femininity in any other role than as married housewives, who were married off as virgins.
You literally mean Jewish culture. This is something that Christianity imposed on us. The irony is just incredibly sad.

Just fucking swear fealty to the Pope if that's what you want you crypto-Papist, but don't try to cope by pretending this was part of "your culture" all along

>>714771974
You have no serious arguments in this post at all. Pathetic.
>>714771836
Says the guy with absolutely zero understanding of Aryan culture.
I have no tolerance for judeochristian values at all. I am far more knowledged about my own than you, semite.
Aryan culture had zero tolerance for feministic ideals, there was no prostitution, women only married as virgins. Its all historically proven, common consensus globally among historians and archaeologists.
Its hilarious how in denial you are.

>>714772229
>Divination is feminine, but divination is only feminine because it’s mostly practiced by women, not because of any inherent qualities of the practice itself.
It's practiced by women because it's feminine.

>>714771915
>hear odin is in god of war
>look inside
>it's moses

>>714772423
>It's practiced by women because it's feminine.
what makes it feminine

>>714772353
Nope, are you a femoid? Some larping Wiccan cunt who hates your own real historical culture and tries to subvert it with feminism.
Its an undeniable historical fact that Aryan culture is the origin of patriarchy and intolerance of sexual deviancy/whoredom etc.
To credit jews with that is hilariously stupid, they figured only some of those things out a mere few thousand years ago, while our ancestors have provably been living like that for hundreds of thousands of years.
Jews were literally a matriarchal culture where they sacrificed their own children in fire before Judaism recently revised it a bit.

Patriarchy = Aryan in origin.

>>714772369
Anon, you are a child. It is clear you are not referring to any historiographic or archaeological consensus because you keep using the outdated and politically charged term "Aryan" where it is inappropriate. It could not be more obvious that your entire conception of history is cobbled together from wishful thinking and Wehraboo larp. Do not insult an actual Germanicist in this way.

>>714772565
>Patriarchy = Aryan in origin.
lmao

>>714772449
he looks more like my old dean than odin

>>714772568
>the historically correct term Aryan that my ancestors called themselves by sets him off
Yep, thats a semite rodent allright lmao.
>Do not insult an actual Germanicist in this way.
Thats a hilarious line. You literally despise Germanic culture, attempting to pervert it into a matriarchal one.
Aryans literally brought patriarchal order into this world. Literally EVERY SINGLE historian on the planet agrees on this, its the worldwide consensus.

>>714772647
Yes, it is. As proven by the entire historical research community.

>>714771609
>1h
give a time

>>714772740
>the historically correct term Aryan that my ancestors called themselves
Ah, you're an Iranian larping as a viking?
>Thats a hilarious line. You literally despise Germanic culture
I do not; I do despise wehraboo larpers trying to twist my profession in order to soothe their disturbed egos.
>Literally EVERY SINGLE historian on the planet agrees on this, its the worldwide consensus.
Show me one.

>contrary to what every single historian on the planet believes, some unhinged Wiccan whore goes on a 40 post seethe and rant about how ancient Germanics were totally super feministic and tolerant of prostitution
Bet this whore thinks faggots were tolerated too
lol
lmao even

>>714718691
holy shit one of the bogandoff twins is still alive

>>714772930
>Ah, you're an Iranian larping as a viking?
Iranians merely inherited that word from European conquerors. You would know that if you actually were a "Germanicist" knowledged in any way on the subject.
>I do not; I do despise wehraboo larpers trying to twist my profession in order to soothe their disturbed egos.
You are disgustingly bad at your job if you don't even know that it was Germanic people that conquered Persia and created its early civilization. Every population genetics researcher has had to admit that in the past 15 years due to undeniable DNA evidence by Aryan burial mound mummies DNA samples.
>Show me one.
Actually, the burden of proof is on you to prove that Germanics were matriarchal like you lie. I don't need to reinforce the already common consensus in the entire worlds historical research academia, that bronze age Aryans brought strict patriarchy into the world.

>>714773015
>Strawmen and seethe

>>714773015
that's because those historians were also malding by the fact that ancient Germanics were totally super feministic so they retconned history books to cope

>>714773245
>Iranians merely inherited that word from European conquerors.
lel, I should've figured, it's bullshit all the way down
>Actually, the burden of proof is on you to prove that Germanics were matriarchal like you lie.
No it's not, firstly because I never claimed that, and secondly, because you are the one making a claim here. One that should be easily proved, at that. LITERALLY every single historian? Wow, I bet it must be all over google. Or wikipedia.
>I don't need to reinforce the already common consensus in the entire worlds historical research academia
Nor do I. So since I'm the one that's actually correct, that absolves me from having to prove anything. Wow, that's liberating, I see why you'd go with that tactic.

>>714773252
Not an argument.
>>714773272
Looks like you've finally given up, just pathetic tantrums now.
Yeah the history books aren't retconned to hide a truth about your totally super real matriarchal feminist utopia of ancient Germanics, cunt. You're just an unhinged schizo whore not capable of understanding (since you lack male brains) that civilization only exists because of patriarchy. The matriarchal cavedweller Neolithic farmers in pre-Aryan Europe were permanently stuck without any progress due to having female leaders.
Strict patriarchy and intolerance is what gave birth to civilization.

>>714716938 (OP)
That's always been the case, imbecil. You think fantasy from the 80's used fucking middle-english?

>>714773470
>Not an argument.
Indeed, you posted not a single argument, that's what I pointed out.
>Looks like you've finally given up, just pathetic tantrums now.
He's agreeing with you, idiot.
>You're just an unhinged schizo whore not capable of understanding (since you lack male brains)
Weird, I thought I was never going to be a woman?

>>714773434
>doesn't know basic history
Now I know you're larping and blatantly lying about working in the field.
The entire academia agrees nowadays and has agreed for over 7 years due to DNA evidence, that the ancient Aryans were white European people, who among conquering all of Europe, also conquered Persia and Northern India, and settled in the Tarim basin.
>No it's not, firstly because I never claimed that
You literally replied "lol" to the factual statement "Patriarchy is Aryan in origin"
>So since I'm the one that's actually correct
You have made an absolute fool of yourself by being incorrect every single post. You're denying well known history and claiming that the history books were retconned to hide a feministic, whore tolerant ancient Germanic society, lmao. Thats unhinged, you gotta be a fucking tranny to be this mental about such an idea.

>>714773630
>Weird, I thought I was never going to be a woman?
Literally never said that? But I am now. You obviously are either a femoid or a tranny, attempting to rewrite our well documented history to suit your feminist agenda.

>>714773731
Anon, your sense of even "basic history" is entirely skewed by a misguided nationalistic narrative. Your insistence on the term "Aryan" also makes it impossible to know what you are actually claiming, or to which extent it conforms to the consensus. Do you mean "Indo-Europeans"? Do you mean "Germanic peoples"?
>You literally replied "lol" to the factual statement "Patriarchy is Aryan in origin"
Yes. Does that imply that I think the "Aryans" (whoever you think those were) were matriarchal? Not at all. Your reading comprehension is almost worse than your understanding of history.
What it implies is that I disagree with your notion that every other society in world history up till that point and after was not patriarchal until the MANLY ARYUNZ imposed their will on them.
>You have made an absolute fool of yourself by being incorrect every single post.
I've not been incorrect anywhere, unlike you. Case in point, you are incredibly incorrect even about the history of this thread, and what I am saying. But it fits a pattern of you creatively reinterpreting history to fit whatever narrative avoids narcissistic injury.

>>714773805
>You obviously are either a femoid or a tranny
How can that be? Aren't I supposed to be obviously and emphatically NOT a woman in the case where I am a tranny? So much for that logical male brain of yours. Not that it hasn't been blatantly obvious that you are extremely emotional throughout this entire thread.

>>714717108
Dragon quest still does accents right.

>>714719784
The Legacy of Kain series has some of the most beautiful dialogue in the entire industry, even its contemporaries couldn't compete.

I guess the wehraboo's mum called him up for dinner?

>>714772808
It’s more so just a natural thing than anything having to do with being “aryan”.

>>714774982
Damn, just as he was about to drop the incontrovertible evidence that the entire scientific community agrees that Aryans uniquely invented patriarchy, too
I'd post it for him but for something that literally the entire scientific community agrees on it's remarkably hard to find even a single mention of

my grip with modern games is that M rated games don't feel Mature anymore. there's no blood. the themes are childish at best. sex is only allowed if its "progressive".

>>714716938 (OP)
That's millennial writing. Even 200 year old philosopher wizards in a fantasy land speak like modern redditors.

>>714770325
The genesis of the word may be less than savory, but you know exactly what I mean when I say demon. Demon in common parlance simply means a being that is inherently evil, which describes Jotnar very well (with the exception of the pretty female Jotnar, because of course pretty women can’t be evil)

>>714771146
The myth of a matriarchal Neolithic culture that existed in Europe prior to the PIE migrations has no basis in history, and was ironically invented by the feminist archeologist Gimbutas. The incoming PIE peoples also did not call themselves Aryan (only a particular Indo-Iranian strain that migrated into India did), did not view themselves as a united ethnocultural front, and did not slaughter their way through the entire continent.

We also have reliable reconstructions and attestations that show women were not valued solely for virginity. Widowed women often remarried, or would maintain an important position within the household as the eldest son became patriarch. We know that divorce could also be initiated by women, Tacitus attests to this. Speaking of, we know that Tacitus was not giving an objective account of the Germanics, as he never visited Germania himself. He claims that Germanics delighted in children and did everything they could to expand their family, when we have archeological evidence that the Germanics practiced exposure for unwanted infants.

Either way, the discussion is a lot broader and more complicated than can be discussed on 4chan. Suffice to say, you are working backwards to impress your 20th century Christian values on a pagan, Indo-European peoples whose culture has been extinct for hundreds of years.

>>714777482
>Demon in common parlance simply means a being that is inherently evil, which describes Jotnar very well
When you're talking about religion and mythology, you should be more careful with these terms.

>>714777587
>Suffice to say, you are working backwards to impress your 20th century Christian values on a pagan, Indo-European peoples whose culture has been extinct for hundreds of years.
That's exactly what I told him and he called me a Semitic rat for it, lol
The irony remains palpable.

>>714757340
bg3 is dogshit an e33 isn't woke

>>714718937
modern audience is fucking gay, tho

>>714778081
>I like it therefore it's not woke

>>714777845
Norse mythological literacy on the internet is non-existent. Any discussion I have with other people about it requires me to first educate them before they can even talk to me about it, so I meet people where they’re at with terms that mean something to them. Frost giant means nothing to basically 100% of non-pagans, but the term demon means quite a bit, so I use that instead.

>>714720749
de Sade was an actual degenerate though. Not at all representative for anyone but other degenerates. You fucks might think you are degenerate, but that guy actually did the things you fantasize about

>>714769951
>Thor and Odin loved the National Socialists precisely for the reason that they were loyal to their own kin and to their own gods.
i'm sure thor and odin looked positively on hitler tweaking out on meth at the olympics
recorded event btw

>>714719784
SYBAU unc that's some cringe ish

>>714761895
I remember you! That little buddy catchphrase. You're that guy they've been stalking ruthlessly in Final Fantasy 14 threads, about a week or two now. You've shat them up for six months minimum.

>>714770230
>grafitti on the hammer
>hoodie with drawstrings
this is incredible

>>714734389
>in action and morals
They were.
You are just applying your anacronistic judgement

>>714716938 (OP)
Fuck and Shit are very, VERY old words.

You know what's a really old word?
The

>>714757340
Bg3 has been out for years, your opinion is shit, no one takes you seriously.
E33 has a good storyline, once again you are a small sliver here and your opinion is once again shit

>>714780383
fhaepbp

>>714780975
qrd?

>>714782116
>15th century
lmao not really

>>714783089
>15th century is new
lmao not really

>>714716938 (OP)
Well fantasy series generally follow these rules:
Peasants will talk like modern Anglos unless they’re foreigners
Nobles talk like they’re from Downton Abbey
Ancient gods demons etc speak in the fake ye olde ‘THOU’RT FOUL ERRANT MORTALES YE Y’ART YOTH YONDER’ babble that turns you on so much.
Goblins, elves, mermaids and fairies talk in a cryptic poetic way to show that they aren’t human and have a weird trickster or ephemeral nature
It’s done that way because it’s great at conveying meaning and allowing audience to distinguish between different natures. No point in trying too hard and confusing the audience just for your story and characters to be shit anyway.

>>714783015
tl;dr Guy has been spamming FF14 threads in one way or another for minimum six months, potentially closer to five years, gets banned pretty often and sometimes gets his IP wiped and the whole thread sees most of it was him pretending to be multiple guys. Usually dodges bans straight away and spends the rest of a thread complaining the mods dared to touch him. There's way more than this but this isn't the thread for it.

>>714783147
>The precise timing of when humans began speaking is unknown, but it is thought to have evolved gradually over a long period, potentially ranging from as early as 2 million years ago to as recently as 50,000 years ago
only 500 is in fact: new

>>714783412
sounds like he's fun to poke but not fun to watch post
eyes now open for the words little buddy in stormnigger threads

>>714718691
Then issue with this shit is it's a telegram term. Shit like that takes you out of it as much a reference to a Toyota or airplane or tranny or other modern invention

>>714716938 (OP)
It's because you're not allowed any escapism. If you were, you'd see how nice things can be without thing which are ever-present around you now.

>>714783837
"Full stop" literally just means "period" thoughbeit

>>714716938 (OP)
Another Nazi thread. Sorry retard if you wanna roleplay as a Nazi, make your own game. Don't expect libs to make a game glorifying misogyny/racism/etc

>>714783252
And that' so fucking bad

>>714784256
You can leave our entertinament industry whenever you want, invader

>>714717072
Why are normalfags so obsessed with vulgarity?

>>714731848
I played both games and your post is true but there is obvious double meaning and subtext behind it either way.

>>714784256
but if we do that you cry and riot

>>714784417
move the NPC to the right, change nazi to tranny, and you have the incel political spectrum chart

>>714760165
>Metaphor Refantazio
It was incorrectly translated by talentless, ideologically driven people with some sort of obsession over something. Not a good example

>>714717072
Yeah, I hate GOT writing, it sounds like Homer Simpson wrote it. He compares characters to celebrities, says someone has big tits, or says a guy is a freak beast. It sounds like how Homer Simpson writes. He doesn’t have a poetic bone in his body, the whole series is written at a 4th grade reading level plus middle school delinquent slang and swears. Like a C average 6th grader found a dictionary and started calling his friends queefs. And somehow he got compared to Tolkien.

Modern audiences are really stupid is what I gather. And I fear it’s getting worse. I don’t put much heed in it when something is popular anymore.

>>714784493
Just like you guys?
>women or black character
>DEEEIIIIIII

>>714719784
Dialogue is really nice, but it does seem long winded

>>714784731
nah, much worse

>>714716938 (OP)
>It could just be me but I’ve noticed a recent trend in fantasy games where characters now use modern lingo and terminology
Because when critics told you to hate period dialogue, you mindless npcs all nodded and begged for more LAtard cum, shouting yum yum.

>>714783089
The word "the" is most assuredly older than the 15th century. It used to be spelt "þe".

>>714784451
They don't want their kids to say fuck, but don't want to hire a babysitter to watch them while they watch media that's catered to adults, so everything has to be PG-13.

>>714716938 (OP)
Im gonna put my tinfoil hat on and actually say... modern developers (pic related) don't write it like that anymore because they think it's embarrassing. As in, they feel embarrassed when they actually try to immerse themselves into this fantasy world and write "in that silly fantasy videogame manner of speech". Like they can't commit 100% to the make-belief world and have to constantly insert some joke, quip, or modern speech to make it less "cringe", to kinda "tone it down" and bring it back to the "real" world where everything is serious. Am I crazy?

>>714784731
>posting DEI on a website= lighting cars on fire
Ok.

>>714783837
The telegram used "stop", not "full stop," which, as several people have pointed out, is just the British term for the punctuation known to Americans as a "period". The use of "full stop" as an interjection may be relatively recent but it is also not "late millennial" slang, as one Anon suggested. The OED contains a citation from 1923 of this use.

>>714719104
>Gen Z apparently wont read books
You could have stopped right there. Zoomies are so fucked in the head.

>>714770260
try finger but hole

>>714783950
In the context of using a telegram, yes. It's slang that comes from a specific technology

>>714760165
>Metaphor Refantazio
Problem is they posh up even the most mundane dialogue, WOTL tier pretentious localizers at play probably. Then you have the voice actors all forcing this cliche posh accent unlike the variety of down to earth accents in say From games.

>>714718707
Stilted cringey writing with loads of anime-isms

>>714785581
Never mind. I'm wrong

>>714785581
See >>714785231
No relation to the telegraph

>>714786196
unironically the bravest and smartest man in the thread for owning up to being incorrect

>>714785446
don't give up, skeleton

>>714716938 (OP)
>"modern" words like fuck and shit
INTRODUCED IN THE 1500s YOU IGNORANT FUCK

>>714784256
Based

>>714716938 (OP)
Game of Thrones popularised it in American media

>>714784256
If you want an experience frew from Nazis users, you should go to another website. Don't expect this place to cater to you.

>>714788792
that d-doesn't make him ignorant

>>714717262
Thats not even worst part, there is a bit in this game how great communism is.

>>714716938 (OP)
> I know I’m not the only one but I was under the impression that the point of fantasy was so it could distance itself from the conventions and stigmas that define our world, not mirror it.
This is a relatively modern interpretation of fantasy, one that gained momentum as the modern world advanced more and more.

>>714784767
It is supposed to be. It is theatrical. This is a climax point for the story. The game's dialogue can absolutely be a bit self indulgent but that is because they took inspiration from plays where characters would have long bits of dialogue before any sort of "action"
It is moreso just the quality of the writing and performances. Even if you wanted to cut it down for the sake of brevity there is nothing like this in modern gaming.

>>714751843
>6 minutes
>long
Bro, Doom The Dark Ages has over 1 hour worth of cinematics, and another 1 hour of talking sections. And they still menaged to say nothing of value and nobody has any fucking idea what the game is about.

Those old 5 minute cinematics are nothing compared to whats going on today.

Old God of War:
>"the gods of Olympus has abandoned me, now there is no hope"
>and Kratos cast himself from the highest mountain in all of Athens


nu God of War
>"nobody is illegal boy, they came here for a better life"
>"no cap dad for real? that's bussin"

>>714716938 (OP)
Most of the writers are from California and none of them have any real imagination. So instead of actually imagining how the world the story takes place in would be like, they just imagine how they and their friends would act in that setting. The Horizon franchise is the worst about this.

>>714747703
What you said has literally nothing in relation with OP's sentence

>>714790485
He’s literally the only person in the thread to directly address OP’s claims in the context of the picture he posted.

>>714790382
>"nobody is illegal boy, they came here for a better life"
Yep

>>714747703
>Be Thor
>Literally kill yourself to save humanity
>“Yeah so anyway the Aesir are like total assholes”
your entire knowledge of Norse mythology comes through having a vague knowledge of Greek mythology that you got through pop culture osmosis, and then superimposing that on top of a completely foreign religious tradition.
In sum, please dispatch thineself posthaste

>>714790763
Not really. OP's claim is about how games have way too modern sounding dialogue, in which his reply has nothing in against or in favour for