What is this Stop Killing Games thing? I'm kind of confused.

Makes it illegal to leave games completely unplayable by discontinuing development and shutting down servers after the game has been sold. A company must either maintain the servers I definately, patch the game to work offline, or some other software release which allows people to play it with the official servers gone.

>>714731784
For example, the game Anthem.

>>714731092 (OP)
SKG is neo-nazi party making life hell for people who are into alternative love and alternative truth.

it fucks over the kikes trying to fuck you over by relying on the power hungry retarded boomers that control the EU, that's all there is to understand

>>714731784
This, but it has to be more than just servers running

>>714731092 (OP)
an initiative to stop corpos from leaving you unable to play your games after they shut down the servers
anyone who's not a corpo shill supports and signs it

>>714731092 (OP)
Gamergate tier lashout from a bunch of losers who think game developers can just flip a switch and have their servers run infinitely / be patched for offline mode.

Recommend just reporting any thread you see in the catalog about it, its not videogames.

huge globalist push by american jews like musk,fink and asmon to control western gaming

>>714731989
>Gamergate tier lashout from a bunch of losers who think game developers can just flip a switch and have their servers run infinitely / be patched for offline mode.
game dev here. we can literally just do that.

>>714731989
leave the multibillionaire company alone moment.

>>714731868
>Anthem
It was garbage

>>714731932
Life is meaningless sometimes

>>714731939
Except I don't live in Europe

>>714732054
>source; trust me bro

>>714732140
Dependency Injection
Abstract Factory Pattern

>>714732138
GDPR and USB C for Apple were both caused by EU laws

>>714732138
you don't live in europe and yet your iphones use USB C's now
it doesn't matter where you live, there's too much money to be made in europe and the kikes don't understand the fist thing about the technology they're investing in, if the thing passes in europe, america and the rest will follow suit

>>714731092 (OP)
An initiative in the EU to get them to recognize the desire for legislation against gaming studios from revoking a product they sold you because they don't want to maintain an online service that is integral to the product. The method to enforce this is intentionally left out to allow a higher degree of wiggle toom on how to get this accomplished, because preserving video games in playable states and to let the consumer keep what they purchased are the goals. The path of least resistance is game companies designing "end of life" modes for players to pick up and have the tools to host the game themselves if they want, or just have everything kept locally in the case of singleplayer gsmes that used online services.
It is very based and what anyone who cares about vidya, the artform, and consumer-friendly practices to support.
While only EU and UK citizens can sign the petition, spreading the word is vital, and hopefully there could be avenues later down the line for the rest of the world to follow suit. If the EU regulates something in this direction, its anticipated that the market will be large enough that it will cause ripple effects to how games are made and marketed globally, and in countries like the US you can't make change without first raising awareness and talking about the issue.
Rallying people and getting support, from signatures or even online discussion, is the best support you can give to the cause. Let's save gaming.

>>714731092 (OP)
That shit has to be a reverse psyop, like if you disagree with this entity and their goal to "protect" games they're gonna try to shut down as many games as possible by saying "you voted for that". The reality is that some games (mostly online-only games) eventually die, no offline game ever died, and some of the online-only games get a revival through the fanbase, organically.
Are these niggers gonna ressurect all the forgotten MMOs or what ? Where does that money goes...

>>714732483
>words words words words
the right can't meme

>>714732578
ITs jewish psyop

>>714731989
I will not listen to you, AAAA studios have enough money to pay people like you and spread misinformation like yours


Dont listen to this faggot, he will probaly let a man fuck his ass for 10 cents

Actually, you should suck cocks instead it suits you

>>714732361
>>714732416
This is honestly VERY confusing

>>714731092 (OP)
it's a movement that had some logic but got hijacked by ecelebs and their braindead millennial fanbases to shit up 4chan even more

>>714731784
Why should it be illegal?

>>714732678
why do you care?
if you know you can't vote for it anyways, and you find it confusing, what are you even doing right now?

it's really not confusing, you just have to use your braincells for a bit

>>714732718
this. the movement went down the drain after Tump endorsed it.

>>714732731
why shouldn't it?

it's illegal for any other industries, but it should be legal for games?
when was the last time paramount came into your house to take your old DVDs? What about your old car, did they repossess it once it got discontinued?

>>714732483
TL;DR

>>714732578
Online games really aren't my thing

>>714732678
> I have a product I want to sell worldwide
> Doing so will be extremely profitable for me
> However, due to European regulations, I can't just produce the same product everywhere
> But producing two different products is incredibly cost prohibitive
> I will now make one product that complies with EU regulations to ensure I can sell this product anywhere

>>714731092 (OP)
It's incredible how much seethe this movement caused as soon as people realized it was going to succeed.
Who were the people campaigning against it? Indian marketers, seething indie devs? Pirate software fans (apparently those exist).

>>714732578
If you disagree with SKG then you prefer the status quo of games eventually becoming unplayable/deliberate lost media.

If you agree with SKG then you dislike the status quo and want every game to remain in some form of playable state.

>>714732804
>>714732909
>>714733064
I'm done

>>714732642
Bro, if you care about games integrity, your movement would be ressurecting old games left and right. Instead, ya'll just looking for a cope-out for why your modern game didn't work, while having the audacity of saying it should be impossible to stop playing your game.

>>714732642
>no counterarguments
i accept your concession

>>714733140
Wtf is SKG, it's called emulation and I doubt people want to draw too much attention on that.

>>714733064
this is even less complex than this, because the point of SKG isn't to affect live service games in any way shape or form, or even MMOs

it's literally for single player games that are now filled with DRMs and other kikery shit, and thus providing the files and support to allow people to run their game locally once they're done milking the cow wouldn't make it cost anything more whether they released it in the EU or anywhere else, this is the fucking internet

>>714732625
>caring about consumer rights is right wing

>>714732731
While 99% of the time I support as little legislation as possible for freedom's sake, companies have significantly more power in setting standards, like not releasing schematics for technolony that could be easily repairable you posses, selling you temporary leases instead of the rights to the individual copy of a game you bought, or creeping less and less features out of the box and siphoning them as extras for more revenue like post games into DLC or heated car seats that were already installed by the manufacturer. How about tiered subscriptions for Youtube, Disney +, or Hulu adding more and more ads to their services despite streaming originally being championed for possesing less ads than tv to begin with. Boycotting is possible but an uphill battle when the masses are incapable of possesing the will to follow along and actually force the company's hand to give the consumer more. Know what forcing a company looks like? Luigi Mangione and how healthcare companies started getting very compliant with insurence claims for a few days. So unless anyone is willing to go comit acts of terrorism I find this is one jsutified reason to get the government to help protect us with legislation. Do I trust that they'll fuck it up? Yes, but with things going the way they are in the first world it'll be better than nothing.

>>714733139
contrarians, mostly
why are so many posts and OPs so negative around here nowadays?
hate create clicks, clicks gives them attention, it's really not much more complex than this
SKG discussion is basically 'emulation is pirating'2

>>714732731
Because there's always 3 or 4 sperglords who want to play some shitty live service game forever.

>>714732948
>>714732625
>can someone explain this to me?
>no, not like that!

>>714732909
We're talking about online games which are a service with cost, you can't expect it to stay live for 1000+ years. It isn't legal for any industry to take away your product which isn't an ongoing service.

>>714732625
>>714733248
>people now realize that the right was for the people all along
god it feels good when that pendulum swings back, time for the commies to die

>>714733204
confession denied

>>714733460
>We're talking about online games which are a service with cost, you can't expect it to stay live for 1000+ years
who's saying that?
where did you even read this? why would you think SKG is about that?

inform yourself

>>714733472
Evil never dies, it becomes reborn.

>>714731092 (OP)
its trany jewish psyop. they bot petition with finnish tranny bots

>>714733542
Thanks, Hasselhoff

>>714733589
that's fine, I'll still be around calling them out on their kikery and calling them niggers

>>714733139
Europe Derangement Syndrome.

>>714733553
>Inform yourself
Some games deserve to be dead. Stop buying and stop playing always online live service games.
Ubisoft and EA are shit companies. Stop buying games from them.
Someone should start a new movement "Stop Buying Shitty Games"

>>714733472
If there's anything that brings people together, regardless of political opinion, it's being told they aren't allowed to own something they bought.
Unless you're a lolbertarians but then you can't expect much from people completely disconnected from reality.

>>714733460
Plus like I said, often when the fanbase is big enough, if the game's online goes out, they will make private servers. It wouldn't be bad if this organization was about funding such revivals but instead, it seems to be about restricting creators into impossible dillemas.

>>714732909
That's the wrong analogy. It's like if Netflix decided to stop showing a film you enjoyed. The service is over.
The DVD analogy isn't applicable because games aren't physical anymore. Nobody cared because they just accepted that digital is here, and now they are paying the price.

>>714733807
>Some games deserve to be dead
That's the tricky thing about art, it should never die. If it's bad, let it be known for all of time its existsnce so others may use it as a cautionary tale, or a source of inspiration. At worst, it's a scar on one's portfolio ala a permanent record.
Even if something is made souless and not designed for fun, anyone is welcome to like and appreciate it. This is the nature of art, and I sure as hell wouldn't like something I like to die just becauae the masses disagreed.

>>714733807
>Some games deserve to be dead.
I don't care, I'm not letting you or anyone else be the judge of this

stop being a fucking kike and taking my games away because you felt like you could, this kind of retarded shit isn't new and isn't an EA or AAA thing, fucking gamespy was a thing and you still to this day have to resort to cracking some older games because they told themselves it'd be a good idea to fuck over their player base over this kind of shit, it's just increasingly more prevalent and it's about time they bent down and swallowed some of that pent up cum we got for them

>noooooo please don't
suck it up, bitch

>>714733819
You still own the game, you don't own a gun to the dev's head saying they have to pay server costs for the next 2000 years. You knew what you bought, you knew if it had a single player mode or not.

>expecting online games to stay online forever

>>714733930
>wrong wrong wrong
It 100% is applicable because it's about you owning the code you downloaded from their service, it's not about forcing them to allow you to download the game from their servers again, faggot
it's about you starting the game that's still on your computer (or medium of choice) and the game not running even tho it's a single player game because.... kikes said so

again, get bent and suck up that cum, it's coming for you

>>714731092 (OP)
it's about providing coverage to two youtubers called ross and thor.

>>714733143
you are a bad shill lmao

>>714734195
>still ignoring 80% of the argument
let me make it easier for you
>Makes it illegal to leave games completely unplayable by discontinuing development and shutting down servers after the game has been sold. A company must either maintain the servers I definately, patch the game to work offline, or some other software release which allows people to play it with the official servers gone.
>A company must either maintain the servers I definately, patch the game to work offline, or some other software release which allows people to play it with the official servers gone.
>patch the game to work offline, or some other software release which allows people to play it with the official servers gone.
>or some other software release which allows people to play it with the official servers gone.
if you don't wanna pay up, then provide the server binaries

>>714734198
I mean you can still launch the game, you just can't access anything about it that makes the game a game.
So for all intents and purposes, you still have access to the game.
The reason why I brought up the digital streaming platforms is a similar concept. Because they can take something away that they once offered.

>>714734357
why would eu make this illegal?

>>714734357
Theyre usually discounted for being online-only, fucking retard. When the fanbase is big enough, 99% chance it could get a revival. Also stop expecting your online retard game will stay up forever.

STOP OWNING GAMES
>GAMES WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE OWNED
>YEARS OF GAMING yet NO GOOD GAMES ever released past 2010
>Wanted to keep yourself busy for a laugh? We had a tool for that: it was called "GET A JOB"
>"Yes I'd like to play TF2 in 2025. Please let me play Quake right now." - Statement dreamed up by the utterly deranged.
<- LOOK at what games developers have been demanding your Respect for all this time, with all the coding & art tools we built for them. (This is REAL games, done by REAL developers)
>"Hello, I'd like to play a FPS please"
They have played us for absolute fools.

>>714734440
>you can still launch the game
this is wrong in most cases, I can't even start battlestations pacific because kikes, but either way, don't care, you're wrong, we won

>>714734520
>>714734508
see all the other posts, kikes
whining on a laotian anonymous image hosting service isn't going to help you now
get bent

SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714734585
youre obviously the kike, hitler

>>714734357
Except the reality is that devs either move projects or get fired so there is no one to update or distribute said code.
>Bro just post server binaries
That usually is proprietary tech for these companies and making them open source could potentially risk data leaks.
>You are missing the point
I'm not, I don't buy this shit and if I do I expect an expiration date. If you really want to pressure these companies, stop relying on papa government to bail you out. Stop Buying this shit. 90% of these games aren't even that fun/good anyways. That why they die in the first place

>>714733235
>Most, if not all countries have no separate laws regarding governing the sale of video games based on whether they are single-player or multiplayer. The primary distinction under the law is typically about whether the games were sold as an indefinite purchase, or as a subscription service with a clear end date. We do not see it as productive to introduce new laws on this distinction where none currently exist, thus, this would impact both game types. From a technical standpoint, multiplayer games can often be preserved with a comparable amount of effort as single-player ones; it's a deliberate decision by publishers when they choose not to. Furthermore, an increasing number of video games blend both single-player and multiplayer modes together, making this distinction too nebulous for many titles to have effective protections if the two modes are treated separately.

>>714731784
Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a softball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?

>>714734716
Yes, as an indie developer, knowing I'll never be able to make a game that requires me to spend several billions of dollars in server maintenance due to some regulation is heart breaking. What were they thinking?!

>>714734585
>Calls other kikes while attempting to rely on the government to intervene to save ................................................ The Crew
Oy vey

>>714734735
??? what

>>714734716
Cool pasta.

>>714734886
>a governing body should only be used by corporate lobbies
You're absolutely a kike.

>714734716
Hey look, it's the spam bot. Anyone have the archive link?

>>714734827
>t. SKG reverse-psyop coward

Most worthwile games are freely accessible on the internet, lmao. You can literally own them on your HDDs. You're really just aiming at a few online-only games that no one cares about for longevity, and if they did they would make private servers or similar games. That's how organic works. And while aiming for that, you're insisting that all games work like that, which isn't true.

>>714731092 (OP)
Honestly? This whole thing is starting to feel like Sarkeesian 2.0.

You all say it’s about ethics or accountability or consumer advocacy, but at the end of the day, it’s just another excuse to dogpile someone you don’t like. First it was “he hates Stop Killing Games,” then it’s “he cheated at Animal Well,” now it’s “he’s a furry and cried one time”? You’re not fighting for a cause. You’re flailing for reasons to justify being cruel.

Same exact tactics:
Take clips out of context
Spin every emotional reaction into “proof”
Invent some sinister hidden agenda
Make harassment sound like activism

Anita said games affected people and got doxxed for a decade. Jason said review bombing doesn't fix anything and now you want him to disappear from the internet. Only difference is the side of the aisle doing the screaming.

You turned SKG, which started as a genuinely good idea into yet another purity test. If you’re not 100% aligned with the mob, you’re evil. If you disagree publicly, you’re a grifter. If you try to defend yourself, it’s “cope.” This isn’t consumer advocacy. It’s just GamerGate with a new coat of paint.

Jason never shut down a game server. He didn’t scam anyone. He didn’t mistreat his team. He spoke up about bad-faith actors weaponizing SKG and now you’re trying to erase his whole career. What the hell is that?

You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.

Congrats, you’ve become the thing you claimed to fight.

>>714734968
Holy fuck…these corpos have mobilized an entire disinfo campaign to stop this from passing. This thing is fucked

>>714735026
Reddit spacing
Go back

>>714734793
>That usually is proprietary tech for these companies and making them open source could potentially risk data leaks.
No, we would not require the company to give up any of its intellectual property rights, only allow players to continue running the game they purchased. In no way would that involve the publisher forfeiting any intellectual property rights.
Not at all. In asking for a game to be operable, we're not demanding all internal code and documentation, just a functional copy of the game. It would be no more of a security risk than selling the game in the first place.
>Vote with your wallet
Name a single time that has worked. If the product has value to customers and people wanted, people will buy it. It will continue to happen.
Look at the data privacy movement. Nobody is uninstalling Windows for Linux despite the outrage of Recall

>>714734994
What the fuck are you on about.
The entire petition is literally
>AAIIIIIIEEEEE EU NIGGER MAN SAVE ME
this isn't for the companies to stop producing slop, it's for the EU to create laws to dictate to these companies what they can and cannot do.
You are retarded, and judging by the games you play it's probably both physically and mentally.

>>714735026
>You turned SKG, which started as a genuinely good idea

Never was my dude, you're just trying to restrict creativity. You don't get to control a group of devs who decide they're gonna offer a realistically time-limited online experience. You do get to remember that Gearbox did Battleborne and a lot of malpractices, then don't buy from them. But it never was a good idea to generalize it. Gamers are well informed, why should they expect an online-only game to stay up literally forever, unless the devs announce it so?

>>714735245
God, how fucked up is that companies have to disclose what ingredients they're putting into food. Or car manufacturers being held to safety standards instead of letting me drive around in a cheaper car. Imagine how much faster we could build homes without fire codes. I personally don't care about the side effects of any pharmaceutical drug, and I think any testing to prove them is pointless. If it cures my ails, what difference does it make?
These poor corporations are just trying to make something to better our lives and we have the audacity to ask for more.

Games literally die all the time. We should not allow companies to kill their old consoles either. I should be able to buy a PS1 from Sony, they should update it to run on HDMI and I should still buy games from any developer
>B-b-but emulation
>B-b-but second hand
That means they are dead, nobody cared for the past 40 years. This movement is literally a psyop and a YouTube think for me campaign.

>>714735085
There's a corporate lobby right now (made out of the usual suspects: EA, Ubisoft, Epic, Embracer, etc...) going on full damage control over SKG at the moment, so not surprising.

>>714735337
Seeing how this is all playing out, I'm glad I never signed the initiative. It's an absolute shitshow and fags only care about dunking on PirateSoftware.
Now watch those predictable npcs call me a ferret fucker, tranny, etc.

The gaming industry just laid off tens of thousands of jobs this year alone, it's not in a good state at the moment. This movement is just another kick in the teeth while they're already down.
These demands are absolutely unrealistic and are impossible especially for indies to implement.

>>714735337
Hey, what's your going rate? I'm wondering how expensive this whole campaign is for them.

>>714735556
>>714735625
I mean, this honestly has to be like 200 rupee per hour for this quality of posts. I'm surprised they're not just using AI instead

>>714731784
What's to stop developers from just slipping an EULA clause where players in the EU waive their rights—basically agreeing that servers can still be shut down at the publisher's discretion?"

>>714735625
>indies
Are there "live service" indie games even?

Imagine if everyone was buying apples. Apples are selling very well and the market shows that apples are what everyone is buying.
Why the fuck would someone want to start producing and selling oranges if only a handful of people eat it?
And then imagine a group of retards coming it to demand that the government puts laws in for companies to start making oranges, even though they will likely lose money on it.
Do people not realize these products cost a ton of money to make? Are people this retarded and not understanding how businesses work? This shit isn't created in a bubble

>>714735672
>>714735806
They probably don't even need pajeets, that corpo lobby have Ubisoft, they'd sell their dignity for a dollar.

>>714735872
>stop producing live service games
Not what the petition is about

>>714735863
I swear "THINK OF THE INDIES" is just the gaming equivalent of "THINK OF THE CHILDREN"

I think this entire thing is a social experiment to see how successfully corporate lobbyists can spin a narrative on the internet

>>714735853
>The short answer is this is a large legal grey area, depending on the country. In the United States, this is generally the case. In other countries, the law is not clear at all since license agreements cannot override national laws. Those laws often consider videogames as goods, which have many consumer protections that apply to them. So despite what the license agreement may say, in some countries you are indeed sold your copy of the game license. Some terms still apply, however. For example, you are typically only sold your individual copy of the game license for personal use, not the intellectual property rights to the videogame itself.

>>714735872
1. Food analogy lol
2. In your analogy, somebody was providing apples and had no date as to when they would stop providing apples. They then stop providing the apples and you have no way of accessing those "future apples" any longer
Your analogy breaks down because you are not selling a consumable good that can be used once and thrown away. You're selling something that can be used indefinitely as long as it's properly supported with a reasonable end of life plan

>>714735939
I realize that. But that is the disease, you are looking for a bandaid solution for something that needs to be removed

>>714736115
>Food analogy lol
At least it was fruits and not burgers

>>714733807
>Some games deserve to be dead.
That's not up to the company to decide. Just give people the option to make private servers upon end of support. Look at TF2.
I play mount and blade warband napoleonic wars now and then with a small group of regiments. The company behind it certainly doesn't pay anything by allowing us to set up servers for a game we love that isn't big enough to play outside of major events

>>714736151
That's your opinion. Millions of people disagree with you and actively purchase and fund a type of game that you dislike. The largest negative result of this type of game is that its behavior allows publishers to justify destroying a game forever. This initiative hopes to resolve that one major issue that came as a, result of live service games
From literal anime girl casinos to Bloodborne are at risk. Seems much easier to save them all than convince whales to stop spending their money

>>714735872
Live service is not a genre, it's a monetization scheme.

>>714731092 (OP)
I SUPPORT THE CURRENT THING

>>714736569
Yeah and it should be put down. Live service is a scam. Right now I can pop in any of my PS1 games and play them start to finish.

>>714736660
Nothing put down live service faster than companies being forced to put "rent" instead of "buy"

So this thread was solely created by actual corporate shills, right? Almost every argument presented in here ignores the very basics of what the initiative is trying to do and is actively explained in the FAQ. When presented with that information, they seem to just stop responding.
Is there gold to just try an astroturf positive threads about SKG in OPs alone?

>>714735853
the only thing out of this that makes any sense is the consumer protection angle. mandating that service be provided for at least a clearly stated minimum period after purchase is a good fix. i don't feel publishers have been particularly abusive in this regard, but there is little harm done in making a guarantee solid by law and not merely a rightful expectation.

>>714736739
That's the problem. I don't support the government intervention part.
I remember when Blizzard shut down the nostalirus servers and there was a giant petition to bring back classic WOW
They did that, they were pressured by their customers and caved based on the market. But having big papa EU come in and save the day is the fucking retarded part.
Just stop buying these games from these shitty companies and you would have a problem.

>>714736747
They have no power here. The more bad arguments they put out, the easier it'll be to shoot them down when the actual legal work on this will begin.

>>714734827
>Games are not physical products you can "own".
Yes you do.

>>714736747
Yeah, see >>714735537
Ever since the corpo lobby heard about SKG, suddenly every discussions about SKG started getting filled with misinformation and spams.

you bought the game retard
you literally empowered corporations to continue their practices
it's your fucking fault
keep coping to the government to help you, they wont

>>714736929
Not anymore. Remember the argument about how you couldn't play Diablo3 on an airplane and how it was outrageous for a single player game to be online always?
Oh yeah everyone bought it anyway and didn't give a fuck
I support the idea of SKG, I just don't support the government intervention.

>>714736747
I'd be surprised if people were paid to post on 4chin, it's most likely just schizo posting
and concerning the faggots you're pointing at, I'm thinking just the usual contrarian /v/tard, it's not like these niggers ever have any interesting arguments, whether the subject is SKG or the new FOTM slop

>>714736981
I used to think it was just contrarian. People looking to disagree for the sake of disagreeing because "merely pretending" or whatever.
But yeah, it genuinely seems like there is a large corporate backing to just shitpost misinfo on here.

>>714736279
Reputation is important in the gaming community. Then tell people that this company didn't offer the opportunity to make private servers if the fanbase was really relevant. Even so, similar games would appear, if there's really a fanbase. Then your movement should focus on funding emulator devs, if necessary.

In reality, most of these time-limited online experiences are accepted because it seems worthwile to spend x dollars every few years for a time-limited experience. And then there's a lot of free games options. This budget permits devs to make it worthwile for them too.

You're trying to be forceful and ironically, it would kill gaming. It is simply unrealistic, you're even asking free products to be forever accessible. Maybe a country should buy the company then, make it free for everyone forever.

>>714737161
This so fucking much, just learn some fucking self control and you too can affect change. Vote with your wallet, not with useless bullshit regulations and government overreach like #StopKillingGames

>>714737176
You asked a week ago, it was genuinely mostly a bunch of contrarians and a bunch of anons just baiting, the usual.
But this week, the amount of bad faith actors just exploded after VideoGamesEurope made a statement about SKG, it's not a coincidence.

dear fellow goys, we must implore dommy mommy ursula von der talmud to save gaming, its the only way
KEEP VOTING HARDER
SLAVA EU

>>714736115
highlights how fuzzy the landscape is. I’d add that even within the U.S., courts have occasionally pushed back on EULA overreach, especially when it butts heads with consumer protection norms. The real tension is between the right to use a game and the right to preserve access when servers get pulled.

there’s still a loophole publishers could exploit: hosting servers in countries with weaker or no preservation requirements. That way, they could technically comply with local laws while still pulling the plug on access, especially if the game's EULA points to foreign jurisdictions.

>>714736902
Except it should not be exclusively a question of popular demand. If 50 fuckheads want to play the game they bought on a dedicated server, they should be able to. Not wait until some petition can prove to the dev they can still make a boatload of money out of it.

Wow Is also in a faily unique position as a game which require a subscription to play.

>>714737164
Maybe you're right. Random ragebait posts like
>>714735485
>>714737082
>>714735625
>>714735556
don't seem to be written in the same style despite all making similar or similarly weak arguments with absolutely 0 follow up. Dunno I just don't see the usual rage that console war faggotry would spawn in here so I'm skeptical anyone would enjoy doing that.

does "Vote With Your Wallet" even work in this day and age

>>714737539
no

>>714737539
Not with the flood of normalfags/consoomers who buy literally anything that is marketed enough.

>>714737539
time has proven that it doesn't

>>714737497
I have a feeling EU law would be looking to protect access to the application and not where the servers are physically (if they agree at all).
There are also technical concerns for not having your infrastructure physically closer to those countries with that regulation.

>>714736902
>But having big papa EU come in and save the day is the fucking retarded part.
Why? having a legal precedent set that forces companies to give people the ability to run a private server is basically the only solution. sure millions of millenials signed a petition to be allowed to pay more money to blizzard to play something that has already existed before and was destroyed by the corpo, but what about a game that wasn't a cultural zeitgeist for a decade that just gets sunset (YOU STILL PAYED FOR IT BTW) you have no recourse and you actually put yourself in danger of litigation to play the game you payed for

>>714737539
No.
While the AAA industry is falling at the moment because people stopped buying, it took an absurd amount of time for normies to stop buying garbage (and they're still technically doing it, just less), and it still allowed the AAA industry to cause an insane amount of damage to the industry.

why does this topic discussion always ends on walls of text? And there was some "streamer drama" too?

I don't understand. It's a very simple issue.

A dev needs to guarantee that the game will work for some time, don't want too? fine, just add an expiration date.

>>714731989
>launch game
>game connects to server
>reaches EOL
>"we're tired of keeping this game alive. here's a patch to let you connect to your own servers and also the server executable, have fun"
>THIS is too hard for devs these days

>>714737870
A corporate lobby is currently on damage control over SKG.

>>714737508
>someone has fair, light criticism about Stop Killing Games
>hurr everyone is a pajeet or a shill
You make SKG look like a fucking joke. It's no longer about the initiative, you just want to fucking harass people.

>>714737796
Frankly, I think the decrease in videogame sales is more in response to the general worldwide economy being in the shitter than an actual realization by the masses.

it's funny how europe goes about american consumerism yet they literally need the government to stop them from consooooming live games

>>714737161
My local laws don't specify whether or not the service ends when the publisher decides or if I'm entitled to the service indefinitely.
Since this is a digital good and can technically be preserved indefinitely, I expect to retain some access to it, even if it's on me to run it.

>>714738027
Your country is literally being controlled by corporate lobbies.

>>714737539
It does, you just have to filter the many clones of the Sun that pretend to play games on Twitch and Facebook. For Nintendo, my opinion is worth like a billon bucks

>>714737940
And this law applies to free to play games with in game purchases
so the entire mobile game industry is gonna get fucked so hard by this law if it passes

>>714738226
>so the entire mobile game industry is gonna get fucked so hard by this law if it passes
How is that a bad thing?

>>714737971
Okay, so then make an actual argument against my posts.
Every argument I linked is defeated either by the initiatives wording itself or the FAQ on the website. When I reply with that information word for word, I get no response. Instead, a new post is created that does not reply to anything but makes the same exact argument.
There is no discussion, only a blatant smattering of nonsense in order to drown out actual conversation.

>>714738086
We know, SKG will just be written to serve those corporate lobbies. We know which direction this shit always goes.
SKG will just make it so every game will be a service that you will have to renew at full price every year, mark my fucking words

>>714737870
Realistically this should just end in fines. Shutting down a game shouldn’t land you in prison. But it should cost the company money if they decide to break the law. It’s enough to deter people from shitting our multiplayer games they don’t plan to support.

>>714738226
How would it be? Either patch your APK such that it doesn't need a server or provide the ability to run the server and connect your APK to said server.

>>714737971
calling everyone who supports it a 'proto-gamergater' is just as retarded .

>>714737768
That’s a really good point, I think the concern isn’t just legal compliance—it’s how publishers might weaponize infrastructure location to complicate enforcement or introduce friction. If devs start rerouting all traffic through remote nodes or foreign shell companies, they could delay shutdown accountability or muddy where legal challenges apply. It wouldn’t stop the law, but it could slow things down or water it out through international complexity.
Hosting far from the target audience isn’t ideal from a latency or ops perspective. But for older or low-priority titles, they plan to sunset anyway, publishers might accept degraded performance if it buys them more control or plausible deniability.

>>714738297
Are you even reading the fucking thread, retard? You can't accuse us of ignoring the argument when you are doing exactly that yourself.

There's unanswered questions about government overreach, impact on indie devs of marginalized backgrounds and the unaddressed harassment of streamers who just want more answers from this initiative.

>>714738641
>impact on indie devs of marginalized backgrounds
Holy corporate speech, Batman

I feel like a lot of developers are going to get caught in the crossfire.

>God Eater series
>core aspect of the hunting game genre is playing with friends online
>God Eater in particular never had a strong online playerbase is the west
That means they’d have to scrap multiplayer and never have the chance to build a fanbase like Monster Hunter has. The series would stagnate because they can’t afford to tack on multiplayer to a game that might have no community/playerbase.

>>714737508
I'm starting to think there's a lot of nintendo fans that are against skg. Nintendo is going to be the one hurt the most from this, with that gamekey card and all that bullshit.

>>714738260
it's so good, but you just know they are gonna poor a ridiculous amount of cash into politicians pockets for this law to not take effect

>>714738379
yeah it's exactly that, I imagine. The thing is that developers of said games count on players to hop onto their new games where they can sell you the same things again. That's why this law would fuck them

>>714733460
That's were gamers come in, the next generation will keep it alive forever.

>>714738924
I don't think tendies are smart enough to realise that on their own and nintendo hasn't said anything officially about this yet.

>>714738641
Could you at least try to take this seriously?

>>714738620
Again, though, it depends on how it's worded. It's entirely moot if it comes down to the individual's access to the application.
"Reasonably playable" doesn't care where the servers are hosted if there's an end of life plan which could provide, say, protocols or a patched binary to the end user. The server could be hosted in China, but that doesn't protect it from the EU regulation that states "if you sold this to an EU citizen, you are required to provide access without the required use of your severs"

I don't really see in the obvious loophole, but I think all of that will have to shake out once it's in discussion

I don’t follow Twitter. Are there people that are actively against this because they think it’s the same crowd as GamerGate and they want to own the chuds by defending the corporations?

>>714738620
>using an em dash
Pajeet shill using ChatGPT to write his arguments for him.

>>714739095
A corporate lobby (made out of Embracer, EA, Ubisoft, Epic, Microsoft, Netflix, ...) have recently caught wind of SKG, and have been going in full damage control ever since, spreading misinformation everywhere.

>>714738641
>impact on indie devs of marginalized backgrounds
yeah this thing is going to be running a full AWS stack with serverside logic for xeir pixel platformer. so fucking retarded

>>714739095
Yes, the moment SKG hit 1 million signatures, shits been popping up more often.

>>714739419
Based.

>>714739419
The best thing to do is to ignore them. Their narrative won't catch unless you get actual retards who engage with those """people""".

>>714738847
those would be P2P, thats why decade old games like re5 and re6 still have functioning coop to this day, that would fall out of the legislation because the means to run the game in a multiplayer context is already managed by the customer

>>714736929
eu will not be prompted to tear down the legal infrastructure on which software industry operates globally. that is one certainty (not least because it's a major trade policy issue with us). games are, and will be, conceived as a service in the legal sense.

eu might be prompted, however, to take a look at industry practices concerning the terms and conditions under which these services are offered to consumers. this is the field you're playing on. though reading the ideas produced by skg enthusiasts leads me to put you more rightly in the spectator box. your hope is that the commission might choose to play for you.

>>714738641
I've had the last reply to just about every single fucking one of them. But sure let's go through them
>unanswered questions about government overreach
If your argument is that it is hindering developers' ability to create games, see:
>>714735475
>impact on indie devs of marginalized backgrounds
Lmao. That's an actual bot post: >>714734968
But just to make sure we're clear here, dependency injection and abstract factory patterns are not difficult to implement. It's something you learn in Gang of Four, which is a rudimentary software architecture book. It would be incredibly rare for an indie developer to over-engineer their game to require hundreds of expensive microservices to fund their potentially profitable endeavor. If someone wants to take their paycheck, go into a casino and bet it all on black so they can pay their car payment. I can't say the government should help you there
>the unaddressed harassment of streamers who just want more answers from this initiative.
Not only was there an hour-long video that addressed each of his points without even naming him, Ross also went out of his way again to directly quote and respond to each of his comments.
Also
>Eat my ass

My response to you is completely hinged on a willful disbelief that you're interested in an actual discussion. However, for anybody reading this thread casually, I am 90% sure I am responding to a corporate shill

>>714739095
The corpos are afraid and trying to get people away from it by invoking the spectre of Gamergate and trying to associate SKG with it/the strawman of what people were told the people who supported GG were
It's extremely fake and gay, you can be sure the main voices behind trying to tie SKG to GG are shills/on the payroll directly or indirectly ('sponsored')

>>714739095
You know we can tell you're the same retard from SKG every time, probably bragging to your discord trannies that you're owning them ?

Your low-t totalitarian behaviour aren't sound, maybe work on your ability to make games and process reality through better brain oxygenation so you can actually offer something else than endless nagging

>>714731972
no, it doesn't even need to be servers running, they can literally just give the server code to people and shrug

>>714739419
>>714739095
It's even more prevalent over at bluesky, the leftist's paradise.
I love how they say they hate billionaires and the establishment but fall for all their fucking tricks.

I just dont know what the expected outcome is for the EU to do?
Have companies put an expiration timeframe on their service games? It won't stop anyone from buying and complaining
Force them to make single player games? I mean I rather have that than live service slop
Force them to all have self hosted servers? That would probably cost too much
I think option A is the most likely outcome.
What do you really want them to do?

>>714740072
Option C and it's not unreasonable
No, we are not asking that at all. We are in favor of publishers ending support for a game whenever they choose. What we are asking for is that they implement an end-of-life plan to modify or patch the game so that it can run on customer systems with no further support from the company being necessary. We agree that it is unrealistic to expect companies to support games indefinitely and do not advocate for that in any way. Additionally, there are already real-world examples of publishers ending support for online-only games in a responsible way, such as:

'Gran Turismo Sport' published by Sony
'Knockout City' published by Velan Studios
'Mega Man X DiVE' published by Capcom
'Scrolls / Caller's Bane' published by Mojang AB
'Duelyst' published by Bandai Namco Entertainment
etc.
https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq

>>714740072
>Have companies put an expiration timeframe on their service games?
if they want to be allowed to sell it in a store (including non-physical locations), yes

A random european initiative is quickly becoming a major event thanks to a bunch of assblasted corporations, you love to see it.

>>714739749
Take your meds schizo.

>>714740389
It's sad seeing communism take over more countries one by one because npcs lack any self control and responsibility.

>>714732731
you see the things you buy? would you like the person you bought those things from to come and take it away from you whenever they want? well thats whats happening with video games that are being put as online only

this whole you own a license not a video game is gay and gabe newell is a fat faggot who deserves to die to allowing this shit on his platform

>>714740659
lmao cope harder

At first I thought 4chan had just devolved into low tier trolling, but now I am sure, there are people here who actually believe in the dogshit they spout. Literal cooperate bootlickers. I guess that's what happens when 90% of the OG userbase aged out.

>>714731784
This will NEVER EVER EVER be fucking law, there is no way they will make Call of Shit Bandicoot Jewel Crush 2007 and support it indefinitely, all games are eventually abandoned - otherwise all these companies will be bankrupt unrionically

>>714741031
It's hilariously worse than that, I said it before and I'll say it again until everywhere becomes aware of it:
There's a corporate lobby going on full damage control right now.
Literally all the misinformation you see being spouted against SKG recently are the same misinformation VideoGamesEurope have been spewing.
Imagine this, AAA companies don't want you to own games and banded together to make sure it doesn't happen.

>>714740864
ayy arrest yourself

>>714741216
If you're so sure it will never amount to a thing then why are you putting in so much effort to shill against it, rajeet?

>>714741031
>>714741306
They're trying their fucking hardest to turn this into another gamergate. It's quite sickening to see their tactics in real time and it actually working.

>714741216
Disengenuous post that did not read the initiative nor most of the replies in this thread.

>>714741306
>>714741448
The thing is, just a 5 years ago people would just call them "nigger faggot tranny kikes" and shit all over them, but now there people actually arguing in good faith with them and not telling them to fuck off and my post will probably get deleted. I think the real turning point in 4chan is when "cuck" over took "nigger faggot kike" as the goto insult.

>>714741446
heard about this bullshit for a month from /v/ this is the first time im hearing what this actually is, its literally some pipedream bullshit to force trillion dollar companies to support their shitty dead games lmao

>>714741880
If it's such a pipedream then why are you so worried, rajeet?

>>714731784
>A company must either maintain the servers I definately,
You type like a faggot and you're wrong as well.

>>714741648
Shills are trying to appeal to observers not actually convince the core userbase or anyone paying attention, dismissing them like that is fuel for their narrative that SKG is some dumb troll campaign. You can't really win with people acting in bad faith

It is funny some people are just realizing now how inorganic many of this boards posters are

>>714731989
>flip a switch
Your game's a live service right? It receives regular updates right? Just use one of those updates to make an offline mode. Nobody said to wait for the servers to shut down before you do anything and if your business is that disorganized, it's amazing that it even survived entering the market

>>714740181
And for those reasons why I support those publishers.
I just refuse to buy online only games. I wish people would do that more often too.

>>714735537
Seeing them use """our community""" legit kinda pissed me off, like they're trying to take a paternalist approach to this. No this isn't your community you NIGGERS, you're just a soulless lobby group that should be outlawed and even if the companies behind it actually came out with a statement themself it still wouldn't be """their""" fucking community.

>>714740181
Also
>Bro just update the game after 5 years of service and after 4 years of development time. I know none of the developers are still working on the game or that it would require an additional budget to an already expensive industry. But just do it, okay? It's that easy

>>714742345
But retards still buy them, and it encourages companies to do more GaaS and less actual games as a result, so you're still getting fucked in the end even if you don't realize it. We've seen it with MTX, we've seen it with DLCs, and we're seeing it with GaaS, it doesn't stop because (You) don't buy it because some retard is always gonna buy it, and it becomes the industry standard, which fucks (You), whetever you wanted it or not.

>>714737971
shut the fuck up pajeet

>>714735026
Anon this is explicitly a government process. The court of public opinion holds no power here

>>714742345
>>714742609
First, voting with your wallet doesn't work. It's totally possible that somebody can produce a good that you morally object to. Expecting people to reject convenience for some moral high ground has never worked.
Second, the initiative asks that the game is developed with an end-of-life plan in mind.
Third, this information is in the FAQ linked in my previous post.

Reminder to anybody reading this that it is entirely possible that I am talking to an actual Indian shill from Babel.

>>714735625
Name some indie games that are violating the proposed restrictions

>>714735872
Not my problem. Give me that orange box

>>714735026
>maybe it's a good cause but the people against claim they're getting harassed which means it's actually a hate campaign
It really is another gamergate

>>714743382
the people against it*

>>714743382
Which mean spreading the fact that a corporate lobby is actively trying to flip the narrative on the internet is extremely important to prevent SKG from being seen as another GG by normies, or we're good for another 10 years of "gamers are sexist"

>>714742993
Yeah I read the FAQ. Most of it is basically answered by
>Yeah don't worry about it bro, just do it. I'm not paying for it.
It sounds like it was written by a child or a communist

>>714743643
You didn't read it

>>714743643
Most game companies "just did it" up until about 2004 or so. It was the default for a very, very, very long time.
This may come as a surprise to you, but most programmers would consider the task of compiling a server file than an end-user can run on their own devices to be a trivial task. Especially since they already have local server builds that they use for in-house testing.

>>714743907
You're arguing with a bad faith actor, he's only interested in creating a narrative.

>>714743583
All the sloptubers already support SKG and shills can't use culture war politics to their favor like with gamergate so I think they're getting btfo as far as public opinion is concerned

>>714744074
Always better safe than sorry, don't give those corporations an inch.

What about getting banned for cheating or saying the nono word? I lose access to a game I bought
>Uhh it's against the EULA
Yeah but when they say the servers are subject to be turned off at anytime that's bad? I paid for the game, why can't I play a game I paid for.
This whole campaign is fucking retarded.
I'm all in favor of publishers not pushing their developers for 5-8 years to work on a new live service always online game, but when people stop buying them they will stop
>But we just want an end of service plan
Good, it's an easy way for them to stop making these shitty games. The turnover rate is already high, can't wait until all of these retards get fired.

>>714738309
Consider your words marked. Hope you're still here in a few years

>>714744215
In some countries of the EU, you can actually go to court over this. I don't think anyone tried it so far but the law exists.

>>714744432
>Hope you're still here in a few years
Who gives a fuck. When another online live service racing game dies because nobody is playing it. I'll post the steam charts of 0 players along an article of industry layoffs
LMAO

>>714744215
EULA aren't legally binding in the EU so it is technically possible to go to court over this, and did it happened before.
Now did anyone ever did for losing access after saying nigger? Not afaik.

>>714738309
That would be a valid option for companies to take under SKG's proposed rules, yes, but I think they would find that their customer base simply wouldn't stand for it. Profits would suffer WAY more than had they simply released a damn server binary.

>>714731092 (OP)
has nothing to do with video games, just the latest pretext for two digits iq, e-cancer addicted /v/ brownoid alliance (jeets and spics) to obsess over youtuber drama

>>714738309
There's a corporate lobby fighting SKG right now. They wouldn't put some much effort into discrediting the initiative if they weren't afraid.

>>714744895
We're talking about gamers here, they just couldn't stop themselves from giving so much money to these companies.

>>714732731
Because daddy government needs to wipe my fucking ass for me

>>714745068
Subscriptions are a different beast, though. The market only allows for a small handful of the "best" ones to exist at once, simply because people are wary of recurring charges. It's easier to sell a million copies of a $60 game up front than it is to string a million people along for 6 months of a $10 subscription.

You've got WoW, FF14, Runescape... and that's about it. Everything else sub-based tends not to be able to sustain itself and switches to an F2P+micropay model.

>>714731989
capcom kinda did that with their megaman x mobile game, you just have to pay for it

>>714731989
>can just flip a switch and have their servers run infinitely / be patched for offline mode.
Actually yes it is possible, do you remember simscity in 2013? Electronic Arts saying that it was impossible to put an offline mode, that the game was like that at the very base of the code? And how did a modder make an offline mode in 1 week?

>>714745743
>And how did a modder make an offline mode in 1 week?
Even more hilarious when you remember that, unlike the devs, modders don't have FULL access to a game code, and yet they still could pull it off.

>>714731092 (OP)
it's about getting games for free.
it's a petition initiated by a homeless balding freak, and he's a commie.

>>714745310
>make CoD
>online multiplayer is now $5 a month
>sorry, but this is because of the balding homeless guy and the EU
>CoD players: okay

>>714744895
>just give us your server binary
>it doesn't werk
>okay, just give us your source code
>it also doesn't werk because 3rd party code is missing
>wtf
>just break copyright regarding the 3rd party code
>the commie EU demands it

>>714745992
>>714746075
>>714746143
Are you shill who just got BTFO in the other thread? What makes you think you won't be utterly retarded and incompetent here as well?

>>714738641
>Just want more answers
'Just asking questions' people honestly piss me off more than the people blatantly lying because they are generally utter cunts who don't care about the answer and are just baiting out for 2 different answers so they can say the other side doesn't know what's going on.

>>714746256
>no arguments
I accept your concession, commie.

>>714746341
>he is

>>714746384
reported for avatarfagging

>>714746404
>and he's really assblasted too

Any arguments that copy-right are a major reason companies don't want to allow people to keep game servers running privately are being patently retarded considering Games workshop is 100% aware and fine with Warhammer Return of Reckoning. The same Games Workshop that makes Nintendo look reasonable on content based off their IP

>>714746384
>pedo enters the thread

Goov moorningg

>>714746615
MSM shills it
Shills calling anyone who questions the EU commie shit a shill

>it's totally legit, guys

>>714734886
Ah yes, the group famously known for their opposition to government intervention... the Nazis.

>>714746075
If they'd really mindlessly accept that, then more power to ActiBlizz. In reality, though, the majority of the playerbase would only subscribe for one or two months at a time when they felt like they could play heavily, possibly paying way less than the otherwise-expected 60, 70, or 80 dollars over the course of the game's lifespan. And there's also the factor of the people who do stay subscribed for a year or so becoming less and less satisfied with the value proposition of their subscription over time. You know, people saying stuff like:
>"I've paid you over $100, ActiBlizz! Why does your game balance still suck so bad?"
That kind of word-of-mouth can spread, possibly turning more potential customers off the game.

Point is, sub models are a bitch and a half to maintain. Selling a game as a good is far easier in the vast majority of cases. Why put up with all that hassle when you can just let users run their own servers after you shut yours down?

>>714746807
As I learnt from the MSM, who are totally trustworthy.
Nazis are free thinkers and don't do what government says. That's why they were opposed to Hilter, and kicked that traitor out.

>>714746256
He's not wrong. Read the FAQs
Who the fuck are they expecting to pay for all of this
>Erm ackchully it's super easy to implement........ As long as IM not paying for it

>>714746842
>the majority of the playerbase would only subscribe for one or two months at a time
So $5-$10 extra
and escape the commie EU?
and you can close down servers any time you want to and even go "well no one is buying a subscription, therefore there is no one wanting to play hehehe"

Sounds great.

>>714746807
>You are a le Nazi
Shut the fuck up

>>714746909
"just pay for AWS instances, they are super cheap, of course EU won't pay for it, and neither will the users, therefore the company will have to pay for it"

>>714734716
Sorry jew, but I paid for this product so those servers better stay online forever.

No I don't care if it bankrupts and kills you.

>>714746909
You're asking for 80 bucks per game now, shill, plenty of money to pay the additional 5 dollars it would take to implement this.

>>714731092 (OP)
Indie developers will be sent to jail if they don't release a new content patch every month.

>>714747010
This is the shit I was talking about, bandwagoners that latch onto a supposedly just cause just to fucking harass people. We are just asking how SKG can actually be implemented in the real world, no need to get all bigoted and racist about it.

>>714747016
$5 per player per month
and as soon as they stop paying, servers are shut down.
sounds good and fair.

>>714746842
>implying the game won't cost $70-80 and still have a monthly fee
I really hope the EU just fucking wrecks these games and everyone is forced to play single player/couch coop games again

>>714731989
>unironically doesn't know what gamergate was
>trying to blend in using the gaming journo "alternate facts" as your opening line
oh no no no
your handlers unironically FUCKED you guys lmao

>>714731989
They can literally just flip a switch to turn it into offline mode for most things. Look at Gran Turismo Sport for example. Unfortunately a lot of other functions also went missing when they did that like the gallery, for no actual reason, but at least the game is still playable.

>>714747069
Nope. You'll release software for public servers and the game will work forever.
>>714747057
>fucking harass people
Corpos aren't people.

>>714747120
>work forever
>someone just has to pay for it all, but not me
choose one

>>714747016
>You're asking for 80 bucks per game now,
Nigger I'm not paying $80 for a fucking video game. I hardly pay full price as it is. And if I am buying games, it's sure as shit not an "always online multiplayer live service" slopfest
Because unlike the actual retards of this thread, I do indeed vote with my wallet.

>uhhhhh digital things aren't a phsyical thing you actually own
nope I own a solid state drive that's been configured to the game data. it's literally physical and I own it. digital things aren't made of ethereal magic

>>714746909
It is cheap and super easy to implement. Especially if you're building the game with an EoL plan from the start. In many cases, it will be far cheaper than having to constantly rely on 3rd-party microservices. Shit, you could even make the argument that your user base could help you save money on bugtesting the server code, since they'll be reporting bugs on the version you provide to them.

Also,
>games of yesteryear did this shit by default and were cheaper than games of today

>>714747176
correct. your company pays once to release the product with a dedicated server.
thats it.
just like many, MANY indie devs have done, and bigger devs USED to do.

>>714747120
who is going to be liable for any security issues regarding "the server"?
who is going to fix these?

>>714747191
That's because you have no fucking friends. Multiplayer games, especially indie ones are very popular.

>>714747176
No one has to pay for it, you'll just release the server side software and the community will do the rest.
>>714747191
>I do indeed vote with my wallet
And look at all the good this has done us, retard? All games are turning into GaaS slop now, you assclown.

>>714746143
just dont use proprietary code, retard

>>714735853
Nothing will change for the US because the US has the absolute barest half-assed minimum for consumer protections that basically are not enforced in any meaningful way where it matters. They'll keep getting away with it there, because it's the 3rd world.

>>714747238
okay, where can I get these "dedicated servers" that will run forever for a small one time payment that isn't a trillion?

>>714747120
>just give us your server binary
>it doesn't werk
>okay, just give us your source code
>it also doesn't werk because 3rd party code is missing
>wtf
>just break copyright regarding the 3rd party code
>the commie EU demands it
Do you see how fucking retarded SKG is? You fags haven't thought this through for a single minute.

>>714747073
The EU won't do shit, VGE is more powerful and they get infinite time with to lobby with the EU while SKG only gets 5 minutes to plead their case. The money always wins.

>>714747278
Dunno, who is fixing the issues regarding the MW2 dedicated server tools, a game released in 2009?

>>714746947
Yes that does sound great. If games are, indeed, services, and not goods, they should be sold precisely as such.
I would argue that companies will make WAY less money that way, but they're welcome to try. Either way, it'll be hilarious for me to watch.

>>714747302
>just release the source code and troons will take care of it
so these troons will be liable for any security issues and will pay a few millions to our beloved commie EU for every violation?
can I get the names of these troons?

>>714731784
> A company must either maintain the servers I definitely
So this a movement of people asking for something that literally will never happen?

>Hello, EA? We got news that you're shutting down the game servers for the video game product called Anthem.

>Yeah, you better not do that or we'll serve your ass in court. Thanks.

>No one is playing on those servers? Not my fucking problem.

>>714747278
no one.
not the companies legal responsibility so long as it fucking works when released.
just like its been done in the past.
>>714747321
you download them and run them yourself, stupid.
how tech illiterate are you?

>>714747309
>just develop everything yourself
>including physics engines

>>714747331
It seems your handlers haven't thought this through either with all the brain dead shilling you jeets have been doing.

>>714747321
>>714747331
Hmm, I wonder who is behind these posts.

>>714747382
>Saaar but players will be liable saaar do not support
Yes because I am going to totally use a RCE on my pal when we play with each other on a private session, dumbass.
Also
>What is BlueSentinels for DS1
Stupid pajeet
I hope your mother dies.

>>714747475
People who arent delusional retards?

>>714747472
>not a single rebuttal to any of the points
Consider this case closed then.

>>714731092 (OP)
it's a pro-consumer thing , you wouldn't get it , corpo-bro

>>714747356
the commie EU only just passed a liability thing for software.
try again.

who the FUCK is going to be liable for any issues?
the company surely won't.
So can I get all the names of the "community" who will pay millions to the EU?
and how will they fix issues when they don't have the source code?

>>714747331
>company now required to make binaries work without third party
per skg law
ooops sorry.
just fixed your imaginary issue.
sorry its just too easy.

>commie EU
rent free

Over-reliance on boiler plate third party code has ruined games.
Gaming was better when everyone was making their own engines.

>>714747321
>Go to Steam library
>Click the dropdown that says "Games"
>uncheck "Games" and check "Tools"

You might be surprised to find out that you can run servers for games you haven't even bought.

>>714747443
>just like its been done in the past.
software liability was passed last year, so it's not "like in the past". Commie EU wants someone being responsible.

So who the fuck is it?

>>714747548
Then that goes back to the financial burden it will cause. Megacorps could probably comply, but smaller studios, especially Indies are completely fucked.

>>714737286
>Vote with your walle
We've already seen in the last 2 decades of video game consumers being fucked in the ass over and over that the masses will never vote with their wallets, so that will never work unfortunately.

>>714747520
Why shouldn't every developer release the dedicated server tools to the public?

>>714747302
That software costs money and is used in multiple games. Server software for one game could be used to hack a game that's active. This law is disastrous for gaming in ways you don't even know. It isn't feasible to keep ancient games up and it isn't smart to release PROPRIETARY server code to the non-educated public who will just use it to hack and cheat.

>>714747564
>Go to Steam liebrary
Sorry, I don't rent games.

>>714747535
I rule in favor of SKG, case indeed closed.

>>714747608
I just linked you the people who did it stupid.
try learning some english.

>>714747619
name 5 smaller studios pajeet.
and don't try naming noita like your retarded cousin did last time.

>>714747634
How is that my problem then? The last thing we need is more government overreach

>>714747393
Funny as that may be, it does not actually affect already made games.

>>714747176
Is Id Software still working on Quake 3? Because pretty sure I can play that right now. What the hell do you think this is asking?
No, seriously, what is this asking.
I am not going to read some pothead interpretation of copyright law.
What the hell is Ross asking?

The rules under the directive are applicable from the moment one of the main damages have been suffered, namely

death or personal injury, which includes physical and psychological harm
damage to property
destruction or corruption of data

The victim is entitled to claim compensation for any of the main types of damage and all the losses resulting from them.


Who can be held liable?

The manufacturer of the defective product is the primary person from whom a victim can claim compensation.

Nevertheless, in various instances the manufacturer of the product is not based in the EU. While a non-EU based manufacturer remains liable under PLD, a victim can claim compensation against these other liable persons established in the EU

the importer or the authorised representative
the fulfilment service provider, in the absence of an importer or authorised representative

In order to know who the EU-based liable party is, the victim can request this information from the distributor of the defective product.

In the absence of an EU-based liable party or a response within 1 month from the request for information, the victim can seek compensation from the distributor itself.

This shill is a nigger.

>>714731092 (OP)
As it stands, many games with online connectivity can be remotely disabled by the developer even though they are sold as a good and not a service. Sometimes, even completely single player games have online connections solely so they can be disabled at a later date. The SKG initiative wants it so that

a) potential buyers are informed ahead of time that the game could be terminated at any moment

or, better:

b) game developers modify the game at the end of its life so that it can be run offline in perpetuity, or at least release tools, documentation, and/or assets that allow players to reconstruct the game

>>714747619
your coworker was asked to name 5 in another thread, btw.
this is the best the indian shills could come up with

>>714747634
>video game consumers being fucked in the ass by Valve
not my problem.

>>714747665
who did what?

I WANT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO PAY MILLIONS TO THE EU FOR SOFTWARE LIABILITY ISSUES.

Who the FUCK is it going to be?
The homeless bald guy here?

>>714747619
What burden? It costs next to nothing. It's almost 100% verifiably much cheaper and easier than hooking your shit up to AWS or Azure.

>>714747619
Dude what the fuck is this straw man argument even supposed to do? If you don't want to host your game servers anymore then open source the code for a dedicated server instance

>>714731784
wow JIm Ryan must be fucking seething

Why does this whole thing give me incel vibes

>>714747696
>no seriously
I can play Super Mario Bros.

>>714747647
>That software costs money
The game I bought and paid for costs money too.
>NOOOOOOOOO I WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO MY JOB AND MAKE PROPER SECURE SOFTWARE
Then fucking do it, kike. You decided to operate in this industry, you're gonna have to obey consumer laws. If you can't they get the fuck out.

>>714747331
>just break copyright regarding the 3rd party code
>Download RTCOW
>Host a game
>I am breaking international copyright law because the game used an expired Havok license or some shit
BREAKING THE LAW
BREAKING THE LAW
BREAKING THE LAW

>>714747660
Clearly you do if you're against SKG. You would seem to want all games to be rentals. And without the seller informing you of how long your rental period will last.

>>714747665
White Knuckle
Towerborne
Void Crew
Just act natural
The long Drive
All decently popular and will be completely fucked if SKG passes.

>>714747745
>SAAAR I WANT PEOPLE TO PAY
we will pay for your shitty games when they cannot be stolen from us.

>>714747762
they don't need to open source anything lol. they can just have server packages people can run, which is a COMMON practice

Reading this gives a pretty good insight to what this shill is talking about, ie: Utter fucking nonsense:
https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/single-market/goods/free-movement-sectors/liability-defective-products_en
>Economic operators remain liable for their defective products for a period of 10 years after the product was placed on the market.

>Modern developers can only make games that function for 10 years
Grim

>>714747746
>it's way cheaper and easier to host everything yourself

>>714747825
>white knuckle
LMAO HE NAMED ANOTHER SINGLEPLAYER GAME

>>714747809
They won't be able to make any software because there won't be any online games anymore after the EUSSR kills them.

>>714747823
No, my games work fine.
I don't rent games.
This includes everything on Steam and any game that has other online DRM, which isn't the case on Shitch, except the cloud streaming ones, and only a fool would pay for these.

>>714747896
Without the leaderboard and friend score feature nobody would play that fucking game. Don't be a fucking retard.

>>714747827
That's true and it would be better to have a standalone binary to launch a dedicated server, but for the sake of making the cost of compliance literally zero dollars and zero cents, then I feel it should be acceptable to just dump everything to a public repository

>>714747647
>the non-educated public
It's the educated people who are the problem.

>>714747827
Actually the EU wants people to pay.
And your petition wants people to pay.

So who is going to be liable?

holy shit , who are all these people that defend live-service garbage? What the fuck are they doing in /v/ ?

>>714747825
2 of those games are completely single-player, my guy.

>>714747827
>they cannot be stolen from us.
Who is stealing them and who is us?
You agreed to this when you accepted the EULA which apparently has won some cases, news to me.
The Crew had like 100 players at the end of it and they moved onto The Crew 2.

Take a deep breath, and without shitting your pants, answer me this: Aren't you overreacting a little? Just a bit. I believe there is a better venue for this.
I mean for game preservation, I do support GOG and SMEG.
And what a name that is SMEG
Why did GOG have to name it similar to SMEGMA?
Anyways I am playing Necrodome.

>>714747909

Supporting independent game developers, including those from marginalized racial groups, LGBTQ+ communities, and underrepresented backgrounds, is crucial for fostering innovation, inclusivity, and a thriving future in the gaming industry.
They are the ones who create revolutionary new experiences utilizing the blockchain, AI, and other emerging technologies, significantly expanding their creative control, unlocking new revenue streams through NFTs, fostering deeper engagement with players, and building a more inclusive and vibrant future for interactive entertainment.
This movement wants to put an end to all of it, so I BEG YOU TO NOT SIGN THIS!

>>714747281
>That's because you have no fucking friends.
You are genuinely retarded. I sincerely hope you will buy every single flavor of the month slop multiplayer game and they will all shut down unexpectedly one day.

>>714738641
>impact on indie devs
Yeah of course, because indie devs make so many online only games with very conplex server infrastructure, oh wait they don't, because they are indeed indie and can't afford it.

And even then, look at games like spellbreak or horizon chase turbo, those were either online or had online cabalities and adapted

>>714735853
Because you have fundamental rights that always take precedence over shitty made up toilet paper EULA and can not be waived away namely consumer rights. And even if it's not specifically stated in law everything that makes a contract unfair to you as a consumer is void on a case by case basis.

eg.
>By purchasing this product, you acknowledge that content shown in trailers may not reflect actual gameplay or final features. -> void
>By accepting this agreement, you grant Ubisoft permission to mine in-game behavior data for sale to third-party behavioral analytics firms -> void
>Virtual currency does not constitute real currency, but purchasing it constitutes a non-refundable financial transaction. -> void

>>714748053
don't try logical arguments, they are commies and mentally insane.

>>714747889
You're letting the users host the servers. The people who bought the game. They can also run servers on their own devices. That's the entire point. It's how multiplayer games used to work.

>>714747459
not my problem fucker. its time to adapt to a new way to code games or lose your customers to people that will.
im sure non retarded coders can figure out a way to code private servers without using proprietary code, and AAA slop companies have the resources to comply even if they got a bunch of retards coding their games.

>>714748086
>oh wow, multiplayer games will shut down at some point?
>NO, THIS CAN'T BE! THEY NEED TO WORK FOREVER

meanwhile Valve:
>takes away your paid game
>replaces it with F2P slop
>this is fine
>not mentioned in this petition

>>714747825
>white knuckle
saar you have named an offline singleplayer game
you already fail.
>towerborn
saar towerborn is local hosted you have fail again
also is not available multiplayer for pc yet.
>voidcrew
SAAAAR voidcrew is local hosted you mess up AGAIN
>just act natural
>peak of 83
>decently popular
saar....
>the long drive
saaaaar the long drive is local hosted there is no corporate server needed.

why is saar this stupid?

>>714747740
>it's all games that allow p2p
>and one singleplayer game
it was obviously bait

>>714748026
A simple solution to this apparently insurmountable liability issue would be an MIT licence

>>714748053
Why do Americans always pretend that EULA matters? This initiative is aimed specifically to establish laws that will override and void any contracts claiming otherwise.

Are games really that more complicated than they were 20 years ago that you can't host them on customer level devices? Graphics, yeha ok, but most games have less functionality and less content.

>>714747728
>that allow players to reconstruct the game
Well that last part is not happening.
That interferes with trade secrets and intellectual property.
>potential buyers are informed ahead of time
Ah yes the sticker of shame, that is a EU thing to do.
I agree that GaaS slop buyers deserve to be humiliated.

>>714748124
>you need to develop your games this way
>says the commie EU
>no 3rd party code allowed
>says the commie EU
>no accounts allowed
>says the commie EU

>>714747957
>cope and seethe, cheaters make scoreboards meaningless

>>714748183
nope, he started getting really quiet after that.

>>714747302
>And look at all the good this has done us, retard? All games are turning into GaaS slop now, you assclown.
How is that my problem then? I don't buy them, I don't support them, I don't waste my time on them.
I'll continue to buy games that aren't GsaS, and if that won't last, I have a collection of physical video games from 3rd gen up, that I actually own, that I will play

>>714748169
>buy game on launch day
>game is on sale later for 50% off
>"wtf give me 50% of my money back"
This is you

>>714748165
>lose your customers
>except that isn't what's happening
>EU, do something!!! ban these games!!!

>>714748235
Why would those not be allowed? Serious answers only please

>>714748235
>communism is the people voting you cannot swindle them

I did not sign the petition to preserve video games.
I signed the petition to hurt Ubisoft, EA, and Sony and the like.

They have scammed me too many times. Preserving video games is just a bonus to me.

>>714747740
>>714748183
That was me and you asked me to name indie game using cloud services you dishonest faggot.
You stated indies could not afford servers and I told you independent studios use aws and azure for scalability.

Then you decided to be a fucking bitch about it and move the goalpost.
Seriously, you are an asshole. You act like this is the first time you kind of won an internet argument.

>>714748195
>just open source all your server code
commie mask comes off

>>714748165
So you want games you don't like to die?
I thought this was StopKillingGames?
Jesus fucking christ, the lack of self-awareness here...

>>714748210
There's zero reason for this not to be possible today.
If anything it's simpler now because consumer hardware is that much better and can support much bigger servers.

>>714748210
Fundamentally yes if they aren't designed with an EOS or debugging state in mind. A big mmo running on big server clusters requiring specific databases, plugins, scripts, services can't run on common consumer devices. If a game would be built - by law - around and end of service plan there is absolutely nothing stopping you from running a local minimalized setup specifically made to keep basic functionality up. You won't be running the database to deal with 1 million active players and you won't be running the login server and you won't be running the mtx server to host the ingame-shop. But you will be running the parts to actually play the game.

>>714748298
actually:

>pay for Call of Duty Black Ops 2
>activision deletes Call of Duty Black Ops 2 off your account
>replaces it with Call of Duty Ghosts

(you)
>THIS IS FINE, THANK YOU VALVE

>>714748207
Because in America, sadly, it does matter. A stupid court case in 1999 established precedent that the EULA is given deference in any matter that isn't flagrantly criminal.
I can only take a sigh of relief that my fellow countrymen don't have any input over the EU Commission, otherwise SKG would be FUCKED.

>>714747823
I mean I'm not renting my copy of silent hill. I was just playing it the other night. Is Konami going to break into my house and snap my disc?
>B-b-bbut that game is old
Don't care

>>714748235
Yes, that's precisely what I'm asking for. Glad we've finally reached an understanding.

>>714748442
Yeah but America literally doesn't matter for SKG. If you can't understand that different areas of the world have different legal context you must have single digit IQ or just argue in bad faith.

>>714748316
>create AWS server (which is what most games do)
>not allowed by EU

>have 3rd party code
>can't release it nor a binary, because you licensed it for your own servers only

>accounts
>impossible without controlled servers
>therefore accounts have to go, which is plain retarded

>>714748371
>rajeet is still mad about it

Holy fuck these threads improve so drastically when you filter the word "saar"
Pajeets shills are trying their hardest to kill off SKG

>>714748373
If you don't want to open source it then there are plenty of other software licences available they limit liability, I only suggested MIT because it's end of life anyway, but if you don't want to open source it then precompiled binaries are fine too

>>714748428
Okay I gotta know what game exactly you are talking about

>>714748210
Yeah, enter any gamedev general.
Game Logic, even some forms of collision.
The problem roots in game authority because if you allow the client to have too much freedom you enable them to cheat in the game easier.

There is a whole document on how tf2 works with game images and such.
GaaS games in particular were made to be cloud based for the most part and who knows if they can be ported down, stuff like MMOs are probably to sizeable to be run without compromises on used end hardware at this point.
Reason some games cannot comply to this.

>>714748428
This would be terrible if it actually happened but CS2 is literally the same game as CSGO, same with Overwatch 2

>>714734827
Please go away, I see you turn the same retarded argument over and over and over, in every skg thread. Somehow this was not a problem 15 years a go, fuck off. Who fucking hurt you?

>>714748371
>its the same assmad pajeeet
SAAR how can you make the same mistake and fuck up a single player game AGAIN?
saar you are failure at your job!

>>714748468
According to the EULA you agreed to by purchasing the game, they could. Very literally. If they did, you wouldn't have grounds to successfully sue them.

>>714748565
>just release your source code, goy
>binaries are fine too, except they will stop working and may contain bugs and security issues
>you keep on being liable for these issues

>>714732731
>advertise a product as a good
>have a "Buy" button
>sell the product to a customer
>decide to abandon the product
>go to the customer's home and steal the product because "it says I can in the EULA you signed!"
Because it's illegal everywhere else.

>>714748589
Then why do games have less interactivity and less believable physics than even a decade ago?

>>714748549
You were pals with me the other thread, the hell man? See this is why no one invites you to parties.

>>714732138
>It was garbage
Irrelevant

>>714735026
You need to be more subtle next time. You reek of desperation.

>>714748570
>Steamie plays dumb

>>714748590
>it's the same game
BS
the hardware requirements alone are through the roof, and it's not the same game.

>>714748520
AWS server would be fine, why is this a problem? Clearly the onus would be on the end user to run the server, same issue with third party tools, even a cursory reading of the proposals makes it clear that the end user would be expected to manage servers, user accounts, the whole point is that the publisher wouldn't be running the show

>>714748169
I swear this whole thing started because of some shitty racing game, that literally nobody played (hence why it shut down), and now everyone is going nuts as if their favorite gacha cunny collecting simulator will shut down one day.

>>714732140
Do you suck futa cock?

>>714747794
Because that's what the industry shills deployed to undermine support for this have told you to think and feel

>>714731784
THIS THREAD IS A FALSE FLAG
first reply is someone that's with op, and it's an attempt to poison the well - that's why they put "A company must either maintain the servers " there, so they make the movement seem unreasonable.

call it out for what it is, corporate shilling.

>>714743287
>>714735863
Artix Entertainment
>inb4 there are private servers for DragonFable and AQW
Doesn't change the fact that they're not officially provided or allowed and thus illegal.

Jagex was an indie dev studio when RuneScape was developed.

>>714748742
>I will just pay thousands of dollars for my own AWS instance
don't bullshit me

>>714748520
>create AWS server (which is what most games do)
>not allowed by EU
Nothing stops a publisher from publishing a self-hostable server binary or releasing a Docker image that can be deployed by users on any infrastructure including AWS, GCP, or home networks

>have 3rd party code
>can't release it nor a binary, because you licensed it for your own servers only
Distribute stubbed binaries (eg disable anti-cheat, analytics, matchmaking) and document what was removed then Negotiate limited redistribution rights specifically for preservation common in enterprise decommissioning and ise modular architecture to split what can’t be released from what can.

>accounts
>impossible without controlled servers
>therefore accounts have to go, which is plain retarded
Battlefield 2 Revive, OpenRA, Trackmania Forever, and OpenTTD show examples of community-run auth servers or games working fine without auth. Why would it be an issue? Even if accounts are dropped, it doesn't make the game impossible Players can Use local profiles. Run private servers. Connect to trusted 3rd party networks.

>>714748661
I mean I am not going to make excuses for fucking mapplestory 2 but if I had to guess maybe to decrease latency so any potato can play them.
MMOS traditionally look like shit because they do not want to be too taxing.

>>714748645
Why would you be liable for these issues? The expressed purpose of the whole thing is that users, not the publisher would take on the going concern

>>714748785
You have no idea how game dev works and it fucking shows.

>>714748169
>>oh wow, multiplayer games will shut down at some point?
I would also like to support developers to start making split screen couch coop games again
But then I forget that most of the retards here don't actually have irl friends and they need to be groomed on discord to actually socialize.

>>714748781
>Artix Entertainment
The linux distro?

>>714748785
>just give me the binary
>binary has security issues
>I WILL SUE YOU FOR LIABILITY NOW
nice try, commie

>>714748627
No, EULA can contain vexatious traits making it void or illegal. EULA is not a law, the law comes first, otherwise I could make you accept that by playing my game I have the right to your death to take your eyes and your family should keep quiet because you accepted.

>>714748829
It sounds to me like game devs have no idea how to do server-side work. Incompetence is not an excuse for borderline illegal behavior.

>>714748590
>It's the same thing
Well games like the crew had 0 players when the servers were online, so it's literally the same thing now
LMAO

>>714748829
If game devs aren't capable of what anon is describing, they don't deserve the title.

>Publishers are selling these games as goods while treating them like they're services and accepting the responsibilities of NEITHER
Pretty good way to sum it up.

>>714748785
>disable anti-cheat
>this will keep the game alive with 99% being cheaters
lol
this movement looks more retarded every minute
>well just do private matches only
lol

>>714748784
if a community doesn't want to front the cash to make it happen that's on them, as things stand the option isn't even available

>>714748829
Then actually deconstruct the arguments, he even gave examples on one of the points.
As an aside, I love people talking AWS like it is an esoteric thing when the documentation is available to use AND they always recommend a local copy of what you have made.

>>714748864
>strawman hypotetical
you are a brown shill
post hands

>>714748829
Point out the parts I'm wrong about.

>>714748864
That's literally true for every software ever made. The question is not whether bugs exist, but whether the user can choose to continue using it. If a publisher releases a clearly marked AND unsupported build or license transfer that means they are not liable for security or functionality post-EOL. This is already standard across the software industry in the EU and pretty much globally.

this is a slippery slope to all game developers, or even programmers in general, becoming literal slaves to the EU

Why are people doing this, why? we are on video game board. Its like people would argue about legal intricacies of a burger patty while sitting and eating in Mcdonnalds. I dont give a shit I want a burger.

>>714748797
So who is going to be liable for security issues?
WHO?
And WHO is going to fix them?

Are you liable for it?
Is the bald guy liable?

>>714748864
>what is limited liability
You wannabe corpo faggots don't even live in the real world

>There are 0 players playing a game, therefore it shouldn't exist.
Yeah, I'm sure there is at least one person playing Duke Nukem II at any given time.

>>714748864
>"this software is provided as is(...)"

>>714734827
Why is it that whenever someone advocates for pro-consumer stuff in vidya medium cockroaches like you come out of the woodworks to advocate anti-consumer ideals?

>>714748901
no, no, the developer HAS to play the game forever so that it doesn't die.
They HAVE to hire 500 people who play it until the end of times.

>>714748971
Whoever is hosting the central server, fucking obviously

>>714748829
Hahahaha you are pathetic.

>>714748963
>ahy are people discussing video games culture on a video game board??????!!?!!
nigger

>>714748785
>or releasing a Docker image that can be deployed by users on any infrastructure including AWS, GCP, or home networks
You think most people can run MMOs made in 2020 with consumer grade hardware of that they will pay to host? Hosting is already pretty rough in 2020 since crypto niggers are often looking where to place their shit. Quake Live and Left 4 Dead are already infested, and you need a law because some youtuber might want to make content on a dead game in 15 years? Kind of gay.

>Distribute stubbed binaries (eg disable anti-cheat, analytics, matchmaking) and document what was removed then Negotiate limited redistribution rights specifically for preservation common in enterprise decommissioning and ise modular architecture to split what can’t be released from what can.
What if the game needs that to run? Like gut the game for local play?

Sounds unreasonable.

>>714748927
So the community is allowed to kill games then?
Sounds hypocritical.

>>714748916
Yes perfectly valid an in-line with what SKG tries to achieve. Private matches are a perfectly fine use-case.

What's the problem here?

>>714749081
nigger people literally run wow servers privately

>>714748876
In America, the EULA basically IS the law, unless it claims to allow some obviously criminal act. Part of what this lovely little EU Citizen's Initiative here is advocating for is, plain and simple, making those terms that rob people of ownership illegal in the first place.

So assuming you're the same dipshit I've been talking to all this time, why do you seem to be against it?

>>714749081
>You think most people can run MMOs made in 2020 with consumer grade hardware of that they will pay to host?
Knowing that every day a random slav manages to revive a dead mmo? Yeah. The possibility of being able to keep a game alive is all that is being asked for.

>>714748949
>strawman
>actual law in the commie EU
Choose one, shill

>>714731784
This would sound compelling except the fact that almost every game that is like this are dogshit and better off dead and never coming back.
It's far more important to preserve older games and consoles through emulations and roms. If Nintendo had their way everything would be on their online platform, which would put the games up there with "live service" garbage that no one with a brain should give a fuck about.

>>714749081
Hosting your own server is incredibly easy and cheap these days. You'd have to be a retard if you couldn't figure it out.

>>714749121
he was paid 5 rupees to shill against it

>>714749081
>You think most people can run MMOs made in 2020 with consumer grade hardware of that they will pay to host?
why the fuck do you care? why does it matter?
don't answer this, you're just a concern-trolling corpo shill, i don't care about your corpo answers

>>714749074
If you are too dumb to understand the meaning of my post its not my fault. Its about people being actively rooting for planned obsolescence in video games.

>>714749121
It's great. The one thing large corporations want is a monopoly over the hearts and minds of people. This is a push back that tells them to fuck off they are just a service.

>>714732731
it's like if you bought a fridge and then the company arbitrarily said "no more fridge lol" and made it stop working even though you bought it

why should this be allowed?

>>714749081
>You think most people can run MMOs made in 2020 with consumer grade hardware of that they will pay to host?
Preservation isn't about enabling everyone it’s about enabling anyone. So yes not everyone will host but everyone can and that's the point.

>What if the game needs that to run? Like gut the game for local play?
Needs what to run? You would be required by law to have an EOS plan. Old games are obviously exempt. New games going forward should have simple fallbacks.

They say you can know a man by what enemies he has.

>>714749182
You know, I'd always thought that "shilling" was a shallow argument. Like, I'd always been more willing to chalk dumbassery like this up to willful contrarianism and desire to troll.

But now... now I'm not so sure.

>>714748971
Well DS1 was fixed through Blue Sentinel in fact it is pretty much the norm to use that to play online.

They could agree to release content with a clause that says that they are not responsible for extended online experiences or do what the GOG version of Doom 2016 does and release a gutted version with no DRM that does not support like 2 / 3rd of the game (Multiplayer and Snap Maps).

If I were a scummy corporate guy, I would simply release a limited, demo version and that would be compliant with this.
SKG does not explicitly states the extend, just that it is playable.

>>714748950
>just say that it's not supported, but release it anyway
>someone else will use it, people get hacked, and someone else will get sued
So who is liable then?

>well if you play old games, you are liable yourself
I thought this was about stop killing games?
Now you say that if you get hacked, it's your own fault playing old games.
therefore only fools will play old games.
You sound retarded desu.

>>714731784
>>714731092 (OP)
I don't play any games affected by this. Has it occurred to you to simply stop buying those games? Auto matchmaking no community servers is some gay ass shit.

>>71473502
>You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.
Well that's just because if you wanna motivate people in this late-stage capitalist clown world. You do it with bait. Nothing else works anymore

>>714749179
But let me guess, (YOU) don't want to do it though. Right?

>>714749121
I was another anon and I'm not against it, what are you smoking?

>>714749009
>EULA isn't legally binding
>EULA is actually legally binding
choose one

A REMINDER TO ALL FUCKING SHILLS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE IT WORLD: IF YOU WRITE CODE THAT CANNOT BE DECOUPLED FROM THIRD PARTY SERVICES AND NEED TO BE REFACTORED FROM THE GROUND UP, YOU SHOULD NOT BE MANAGING A CODEBASE. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THESE COMPANIES HAVE NEVER EVER HAD TO CHANGE PROVIDERS FOR A SERVICE AND ADAPT ANY API CALLS WITH INTERNAL PROGRAMS.

T. SOMEBODY WHO DOES THIS SHIT FOR A LIVING

The pro-corpo shills in this thread are hilariously obvious. None of you were here at all during most of this petitions lifespan. Now that it has gotten the required signatures, you expect me to believe that /v/ posters of all people are going to come out in defense of the companies ruining the fucking industry? Get real, kike tourists. Tell your boss you suck at your fucking job.

>>714749357
I pay less on monthly server fees than I would for a single monthly sub on WoW to host a private server for myself and friends and family lol

But apart from that, it's irrelevant if I personally would want to do it or not, so long as the option exists for someone to do it.

>>714749052
>central server
TRIGGERED

>>714749102
>what's the problem here?
the game is dead anyway, therefore it doesn't matter, therefore this petition is bollocks.
>just remove everything server side
>just don't play it in public
>just do private matches
>just remove physics engine
>just test all of that for free

>>714749250
>required by law
They should require publishers to stop shoveling shit into consumers mouths in the form of GaaS

>>714749141
the fuck you're on about? just say "we're releasing this as is, we're not liable for anything" like every fucking software developer ever, you fucking corpo maggot.

>>714749320
>So who is liable then?
If a company clearly marks a product as unsupported and releases it as-is with no warranties or guarantees than liability is generally not on them. Microsoft is not sued if you run Windows XP in 2025 and get malware.

>I thought this was about stop killing games?
Yes

>Now you say that if you get hacked, it's your own fault playing old games.
This is exactly how old cars, expired medicine, and legacy software work.

>therefore only fools will play old games
Let them be fools then. People play old games because they like and enjoy them.

>>714749364
Well then I apologize. Must've gotten lost in the reply chain somewhere. Happy SKG, friend!

>>714749470
>the game is dead anyway
Irrelevant if even only 1 person who bought it wants to play it.

>>714749306
DS1 is still playable on PS3, what the fuck are you talking about?
The broken Steam-slop rental?

>>714749203
>Its about people being actively rooting for planned obsolescence in video games.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

>>714749401
Oh hey Armstrong-guy, you're still awake. Keep fighting the good fight, mate!

>>714749250
>We did not think about it - Ross
Okay.

>>714749129
>>714749118
Bro, Slavs just finally got around playing 2016 - 2018 games. I know from the painkiller community.
It will take a long time for this to do anything then, I mean most games are already compliant for what Ross is aggressively suggesting, some is it worth to make a law for what is essentially going to be Gacha, Suicide Squad kills WB Games, and MMOs?

>>714749401
>just rewrite all your code
>just create your own physics engine
>just create your own microservices
>says the commie EU

>>714749470
>the game is dead anyway
The game is dead because the publisher killed it with no eos plan.

>therefore it doesn't matter
Go and release the server binaries, source or an offline patch then if it's so inconsequential.

>>714748235
sounds great, what's the downside?

>>714733668
Funny how Europe gets called "Europoor" and other names but now that Europeans are actually doing something it's le bad

>>714749378
who said anything about an eula? i'm talking about a software license
but you already knew that and are just trying to derail

Pretty sure all that will happen is that a live service game will just have to include the following line
>Game is expected to stay in service until 20xx. Servers may be shut down before expected date at any time
That's it. That's all that is going to happen. No games will have downloadable servers. There will be no big offline update. Just a message that nobody will read and people will swipe for the new one every month.
Good luck eurofags

>>714749401
Rossmanns interview with Ross actually touched upon this and the dev guy they've had stated that this is how the industry operates by default, having fallback code in case they cant use stuff anymore.

>>714749537
Australian timezone so I get to see the transition of different timezones before going to sleep, shit's cool.

>>714749564
YOU UTTER FUCKING MONKEY, YOU UTTER FUCKING BUFFOON

>>714749548
>Bro, Slavs just finally got around playing 2016 - 2018 games. I know from the painkiller community.
Ziom, nie robimy takich rzeczy. Wiesz czemu? Bo nie ma potrzeby.

>>714735026
>You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.
Well that's just because if you wanna motivate people in this late-stage capitalist clown world you do it with. Ragebait. Nothing else works anymore

What a time for Microsoft to have fired all their employees. You can bet they will campaign for this to make them bleed.

>>714749492
>Microsoft is sued

>>714749507
>if only one person wants to not get the shot
I'm getting mixed messages here.

>>714749524
>The broken Steam-slop rental?
Yes.
Precisely.
Wasn't that clear?

Hey, how does this work for consoles though? I always assumed this was only for PC games.

>>714749303
anon I have watched these guys and triggered them to the point their english devolves into broken english multiple times over.
we have even found some of the formal companies because ubisoft was dumb enough to formally announce them.
I watched the rise of bots in the 2015 onwards era, and saw the CCP shills get their own tactics laid bare during corona.
I have seen footage of a google corporate meeting where they openly discussed how it was their "civic duty" to try and steer elections as they see fit by controlling what people saw. (and man I wish I had saved it)

These threads started getting pushback ONLY once it was clearly the initiative would hit 1 million.
The first wave so bad bad they got goaded by some anons into outright defending their indian pride.
Shills are very real, because marketing in the mainstream can only go so far as trust in the mainstream has dwindled.

>>714749096
The option to put up a server would be there at any time for anyone interested enough to do it. That's not a community killing a game. The community will always have access to it.

>>714749637
Out of arguments already?

>>714749576
>give us the source code
nice try, commie

>>714749564
Amazing how Ultima Online, City of Heroes and DDO etc CHUDS managed to not only reverse engineer their servers but also keep em running through all these years but company devs who made the game can't do it.
qq

>>714748729
I'ma be honest, I think csgo would be included in this initiative, cause otherwise what's stopping a company that wants to shut down servers of a game from saying "we've upgrade Anthem to Anthem:No edition for all users and in this new version there's no content and it's just an offline game with no win conditions"

>>714734716
Give me an example of an indie game that's single player always online GaaS

>>714749548
and what if fatshark or arrowhead and similar decide eventually to release private servers?

>>714749410
It's seriously pathetic.

>>714749647
who would want to play that garbage version?
it sucks.
everyone plays the PS3 version, that works without problems, because PSN is not slop like Steam. and it's also not a rental either. It's a physical release and Snoy doesn't lock people out of their devices.

weird that this petition doesn't attack Steam.

>>714749637
The only shot you're getting is a cumshot.
Up your ass.
Because you're a fag.
And a retard.
With retardation.

>>714749682
If it becomes law it's not optional and not a "nice try".

>>714749625
I'm sure turning this into another Gamergate would help..

>>714749692
they gave 10 that werent so far.
one of which was a single player game.

>>714749654
>would be there, except you can't because there are known security issues
it seems you are drunk.

>>714749687
so this petition is bollocks, got it.

>>714749410
This, its so baffling to me.

>>714749410
>>714749652
Someone should make a comprehensive image explaining this so that it can be spammed in each of these like threads.

>>714749737
So how this would fuck over indie devs then?

>>714749764

>>714749621
Scena modowania Doom 2016 jest już całkiem niezła, bo w końcu może działać na ziemniakach. Dzień, w którym będą mogli uruchomić id Studio za jakieś 20 lat, będzie wspaniały, jeśli świat do tego czasu się nie zawali.

>>714731092 (OP)
It's a harassment campaign against game developers who only want to create high-quality entertainment products.

>>714749691
it was even removed from library completely.
not just server shut down, but removed.
and it was a paid game.
and it's not mentioned by the bald freak.

>>714749764
Not an argument.

>>714749795
it won't. they can't name even one.
my guess is that the pajeet was asking chat gpt or something and trusting it to be accurate.... and it wasnt lmfao

>>714749687
>It's amazing how a group of autistic people who cannot let go of the past decided to do a ton of work for free. But the people who actually work moved on and are working on other projects
I'm really starting to think that everyone supporting this movement is either just NEETS or actual children

>>714749803
>Zoom 2016
Zgiń, przepadnij.

>>714749687
it's genuinely amazing if you take a few minutes to look at the software ecosystem. some autismo types reverse engineer shit on the regular, some dudes in shacks in the middle of bumfuck nowhere maintain packages that are infrastructure-critical, random dudes maintain servers for thousands for people for free, etc etc

but giant corporations can't do any of that for some reason. if a corpo needs to do it suddenly it's a collosal undertaking

>>714749728
indies will simply choose to not sell their games in EU. Or exclude EU-commies from multiplayer.
Simple as that lmao

>>714749764
Nice broken English, Poojeet

>>714749871
>I'm really starting to think that everyone supporting this movement is either just NEETS or actual children
Must hurt that their signatures still count qq

>>714749880
And that is completely fine and within their rights. Noboy is forcing them to sell and operate in the EU. What is your argument?

stop killing games, huh

riddle me this, why did steamdrones give up physical games that will always be cheaper to buy than whatever a digital storefront or key seller decides?

>>714749873
doom 2016 jest spoko gra o chuj ci sie rozchodzi
>no bo doom1
mozna lubic wiecej niz jedna produkcje imbecylu

>>714749871
its not a lot of work if you design it from the start to be like that, idiot.

>>714749880
indies have no reason to keep their games always online

>>714749947
stop killing games in EU with your stupid retarded petition

>>714749927
Must hurt that the EU won't do shit and even if they do the best you will get is a warning message and -$80 for your new slop of the month

>>714749951
they sell physical copies of these games that can't run without the central server, bro

>>714749951
because CDs that have the storage space became a lot more costly.
700mb was the cheap stuff the vast majority of physical space was on, back in the day.
blueray fixed that but drove prices up.

Yeah, this guy is mega pissed.

>>714749874
That's because those guys don't get hired. You have no fucking idea how many of those types of guys get passed up because they can't get past the HR roastie filter even though department heads look at their resumes/portfolios and go "Shit, this guy knows what he is doing".

>>714749835
Of course it won't, Thor also played the same card that this'll kill indie devs which is a ridicolous claim

>>714749972
All of them are designed like that, idiot.
How do you think MMO patching works, they don't test it on their own offline servers, idiot?
Stupid idiot retard.

>>714749947
I will create a petition that is about killing games with stupid petitions.

and I will demand that EU arrests everyone who signed this petition, especially the bald guy.

>>714749951
Those topics are unrelated

>>714750016
>bluray is super expensive
>that's why movies on bluray are 1 buck

>>714749695
I have no idea who those are, I do not play online games.

>>714749723
The ps3 version is still full of hackers.
I got two versions of DS1 in my library for some reason. Anyone care to explain that?

>>714749652
>>714749794
>This is what SKG genuinely believes.
I think you are shitting up the frontpage, that you gag on eceleb cum and are generally dishonest....but I would have a good laugh if you could sustain the bot accusation because the way Ubisoft redacted their EULA today already made me laugh pretty hard.

Don't get me wrong, I simply have doubts about all of this, it is just that I personally hate you because you talk like reddit refugees trying to impress me. Take it personally, not against what you are "representing". I know for a fact this won't affect any game I care about, which is pretty sad because it cannot applied to existing games.
It is what it is.

>>714749992
>Must hurt that the EU won't do shit
Is this why the lobby group which hired you is shitting its pants?
I know this hurts you.

>>714749990
The retarded petition is actually not a petition but an ECI, a legally defined process under EU directive. As you can tell by your smelly ass-cheeks dripping with sweat and fear. And it specifically aims to preserve future games.

>>714750038
If you're an EU citizen (which you aren't) you could totally do that.

>>714750030
blizzard taught him so well, even though he acts like he was above how bad their managers were.

>>714735026
>You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.
Well that's just because if you wanna motivate people in this late-stage capitalist clown world. You do it with bait. Nothing else works anymore

>>714750038
No you won't.

I dont give a shit. Gran Turismo a 30 years old IP got buttfucked by game as a service cancer to the point of actively destroying progression and requires always uninterrupted internet connection, I could play GT 1,2,3,4,5,6 without internet, with fully licensed music and cars, but now its a problem? Why do I need internet connection to a single player racing game???

>>714749972
>Bro it's not a lot of work. Just do it. Just spend time and money on it. It's not that hard. I mean if I wanted to I could totally do it, but I never worked a day in my life. I just watched some YouTuber tell me it was easy, so it must be easy.

>>714750016
right now during sale season any game i can get on physical blu ray is cheaper than its equivalent on steam

this fight has already been lost, and pc gamers were the first to give in. which fucking sucks for me since i'm forced to drm storefronts now

>>714749401
This is such an Eurocentric perspective. There are many great American and Indian programmers I know of who don't do this.

>>714750031
>offline servers
are these special servers that are shut down, but you can still access them?

>>714750025
absolutely anon
what's even more funny is that those autismo types maintain all those packages and software, and then corpos just use it for free or outright steal it
you know, how facebook stole 40 terabytes of text from internet archive

>>714749951
That doesn't particularly matter as far as SKG is concerned. Physical or digital, all publishers say they can revoke access to your licensed copy at any time. The medium upon which a game is delivered is completely irrelevant to the FACT that you should be able to keep what you bought without the seller breaking it.

>>714749951
>muh steam
They havent patched their DRM in 20 fucking years. The files i have, and that other users have and shared, are all safe even if steam goes under tommorow.
>But muh licenses
Nobody gives a shit about what legalspeak says. Everyone only gives shit about actual access to games. The only thing the legalspeak can do is make it so you cant launch the game through steam anymore, not take away the files.

>>714750087
>I don't know who those are
of course not, you dont play games, you are an assmad indian lmao

>>714749018
Because some human-shaped animals are born to be meek, subservient cattle. That is their purpose for existing, to be mooks for evil that are to be cut down along with whoever they serve, willingly or not

>>714750038
you are a lazy fuck that says whatever he likes on the internet for ego. lol you are the definition of a wanker

>>714749320
>So who is liable then?
The person doing the hacking, obviously. Or whoever is providing the service now. The fuck are you confused about?
>Company K produces toothpicks, but stops production
>Person A and Person B own these toothpicks
>Person A throws a BBQ, inviting Person B
>Person C randomly breaks in, takes a toothpick, stabs Person B in the eye
You're literally implying that the company who sold those toothpicks is liable, when they're not involved in anything.

>>714749873
Widzę, że nie wszystkie ziemniaki mogą to jeszcze uruchomić. Tegoroczne mody Doom 2016 są warte twojego czasu.

>>714749880
>Resign over whole market share
vs
>comply with small patch down the line

>>714750120
It's a lot of work and money if you were to do that with current games. If you get a grace period and can design games well after a new directive influenced by SKG it would be trivial.

>>714731989
>Gamergate tier lashout from a bunch of losers who think game developers can just flip a switch and have their servers run infinitely / be patched for offline mode.
You don't need to run the servers or patch it. You just need to document what's needed to run servers or have an offline mode. As a dev if you know from the start that's a requirement it's pretty easy to do. That's why the initiative only applies to new games.

>>714750102
>it's a mandate
not this again.

>>714750183
Żaden zoom nie jest wart mojego czasu.

>>714750093
>Is this why the lobby group which hired
Sorry Mohammed, but I'm shit posting for free. I just don't support live service games from Ubishit and EGAY.
Sorry you and your discord kittens can't play the crew anymore

>>714750153
care to share a guide for tards on that steam DRM?
I keep forgetting to look into it.

>>714750087
>Don't get me wrong, I simply have doubts about all of this, it is just that I personally hate you because you talk like reddit refugees trying to impress me.
Nigger nobody gives a shit about you lmao

>>714750203
Who are you quoting? Why are you showing off stinky american law text?

>>714750173
>host old game on your own
>get sued by EU for millions
"stop killing games" my ass

>>714750186
>small patch
lmao

>>714749281
Spread and share.
Know the faces and names of your enemies.

>>714750218

>>714750141
Actual theft is rare. And yes, you CAN use GPL'd code as a corporate entity, as long as you comply with its licence terms.

>>714743382
As far as I know, there's only one person getting "harassed" over this and it's Thor and only because of how much of a dumbass he is

>>714750159
More like I am not a zoomer.
You could have said Helldivers 2 and Vermintide.
Whats with you and hindus, were you replaced by AI or something?

>>714750249
>words have different meanings depending on cuntry
they don't.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandat_(Recht)

>>714750298
>Saaar do not expect me to blend in with my fellow kids
no, you are just shit at your job, pajeet.

>>714750138
You utter fucking monkey, by not doing that you are opening yourself up to get RAPED when the third party service goes kaput. They might be great programmers in other parts of the code, but they will eventually leave their company to get buttfucked when the service needs to change for one reason or another, which is always a possibility.

>>714750141
Don't get me fucking started on that side of things. Getting to pierce the veil when it comes to "behind the scenes" code really shows how much of the modern world is running off of open code AND YET THESE FAGGOT CORPS WILL SHIT ON ANYONE WHO FUCKING DARES TO TOUCH THEIR CODE AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME SHIT ON THE PROGRAMMERS THAT MADE THEIR CODE POSSIBLE

>>714750140
I think he's talking about the fact that most games which rely on a server are being worked on and tested "offline", as in the developers have all the necessary servers/services running on their dev machine (which is just a regular laptop, desktop or mini PC).

if this does pass, it's definitely not going to retroactive, you guys realize that right?

>>714750346
>open source code le good
it's all broken trash.
it's only used because it's "free".

>>714734716
Tiny indie developers experimenting and innovating with online interactions = NFT pump & dump schemes

>>714750298
>You could have said Helldivers 2 and Vermintide.
No you couldn't because they are games made prior to SKG and it's insanely unlikely that even if they pass a directive it would act retroactively.

>>714750314
I don't care about american law.

>>714737971
>light criticism
>"Eat my ass!"

>>714750371
>tested offline
offline means the server is off, you dumb fucking retard.
>developers host their own server on their regular laptop
no, they got development SERVERS in their company LAN

>>714750282
>EUSSR made apple use USBC
>Therefore they can make video game publishers rework their entire projects, business models, budgeting plans and open up their server code to the public
You really are brown, aren't you?

>>714750380
Yes, but the best part is that it already forced Ubisoft to implement offline plan for The Crew 2.

>>714749817
Except you can literally still download and play it, I just downloaded it for more props and textures to use in Hammer editor.

>>714750440
>>EUSSR made apple use USBC
>>Therefore they can
Exactly.
You're welcome, mutt.

>>714750314
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=LEGISSUM:directive

>>714750402
exactly. they would not be forced to under any new EU law.
at best they might add support as a way to gain player favor, before launching their new title that would have support anyways.

>>714750402
>G*rmany has Murican law

>>714750440
Hello, Rajesh.

>>714750402
Nobody asked you pajeet.
Whatever ubisoft is paying you is too much

>>714750380
most of us know.
and the corpos definitely know, and they are still this scared.

>>714750481
>except you can totally
>except it's removed from the liebrary
>instead another game was added
>thanks Valve
>sucks cock

>>714750482
Muhammad was a rapist and Islam is a shitty religion for pedophiles. Go back to Iran, Malik

>>714750382
You must be the utter cocksucker that enters in every thread when it comes to programming and discussions over proprietary vs open source software and shitposts your way through instead of joining the discussion like a reasonable anon should. You look at the state of the IT world and tell me everything is fine. Open source is having a brain drain but so is proprietary software because of these FUCKING JEETS AND NORMALFAGS THINKING THEY CAN PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY CAN DO SOME BASIC AS SHIT PYTHON. THE SOFTWARE WORLD IS FUCKED, NO NEED TO DEFEND PROPRIETARY OR OPEN SOURCE AT THIS POINT. You want to be a cocksucker, I'll ram myself down your fucking throat.

>>714750435
>offline means the server is off
offline can mean many things, retard. To most people it means "not connected to internet".
>no, they got development SERVERS in their company LAN
Just because you know a company that does this, doesn't mean that most or all do this. "developers host their own server on their regular laptop" is, in fact, completely true in a lot or maybe even most cases.

>>714750287
i know anon, that's not what i'm going about

>>714750440
>Made apple Rework the entire manufacturing pipeline, part purchases, support, budgeting plans and open their charging ports for chinese cables
You really are brown, aren't you?

>>714750503
>>714750497

>>714750523
Are you retarded nigger, I'm pro SKG. I'm telling you it's not gonna apply retroactively. Are you a fucking industry plant? Kill yourself.

>>714750553
Oooh, now do jews!

>>714750497
not reading commie lies written in lawyer

>>714750380
Yeah, so? This is to save the future.

>>714750520
>Cannot argue with valid criticism
>Resorts to just calling someone India
SSAAARRRR

>Finland nearing 1% signatures/capita
What's their favorite live service game?

I voted.

>>714750382
why do all those corpos use it then? shouldn't they, you know, not use broken trash and write their own?

>>714750618
Well the commie lies are what's gonna introduce new laws you will soon be forced to read and obey like the little cuck you are.

>>714750336
So SKG believes there is a conspiracy against them and not that people could have questions and their answer to this is use this one /pol/ meme.

I cannot wait for Sharia law to take over Europe so you get stoned to dead for being a faggot. For all means Ross should had redacted this in Arab.

>>714750565
open source is slop made by mentally ill people for the most part.
https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php
I rest my case.

>>714750631
I can argue with valid criticism, Rajesh. I just haven't seen any.

>>714750645
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pycGOLv-NyI

>>714750591
nta but I will do it
the worthless dregs of a proud group of proto-nazis who believe they are superior by blood and destined to rule, with a long history of this getting them into trouble and them using it for sympathy to get into more trouble.

>>714750591
Fuck you, you penis tip sucking rabai. Go spin your fucking manora and stop sending blacks to my white neighbors

>>714750586
>saaar I am a skg supporter saaar
Dishonest lying piece of shit you will not divide us.
I hope your mother has a black death

>>714750580
>I make up definitions
offline
adjective
(of an activity or service) available on or performed using the internet or other computer network.
>or other computer network

>they test games while the server is not plugged into their LAN
doubt

>>714750667
saaaar your parent company's movements are formally announced.
this is not a conspiracy when you throw a parade where you walk.

>>714750720
How does it feel that you will never be white and always remain low caste Dalit trash? Have you eaten your daily cow poop yet?

>>714750668
THEN STOP FUCKING USING BSD AND GPL'D CODE THEN YOU UTTER BRIEFCASE WANKER MONKEY! PEOPLE WHO PLUG IN ANY RANDOM CODE, CLOSED, OPEN OR OTHERWISE, ARE FUCKING GOD DAMN APES THAT DON'T KNOW FUCKING SHIT ABOUT PROGRAMMING

>>714750668
why out yourself as a dunce like that?

>>714738996
Nintendo is in the list of corporations in that EU video game thing

>>714750720
hello pajeet. trying to provoke infighting again, are we?
euros know how EU laws apply.

>>714750662
because it's free.
tons of corpos like Valve are lazy and cheap.

>>714750665
>otherwise you go to goolag
socialists never change.

>>714750773
the dunce is trannies pretending to be software developers.

>>714750740
>doubt
Try job hopping between multiple studios, both big and indie, and you'll see that it really is the case.

>>714750671
I still have not seen a valid argument about the end goal of this movement.
Yes I understand that publishers should not be able to pull the plug. But other than a warning message, the only valid solution is to use the power of the government to force the developers to work more for some product that MAYBE a few people would play.
I just hope if it gets bad enough, this could mean the end of GaaS

Bless your autistic rage, Armstrongcunt.

>>714750787
It honestly doesn't matter because you are some retarded brownoid in a country far away with no control over how the big publishers, or any company of worth, acts.

>>714750787
but if it's all broken trash, wouldn't that be a huge security/ops issue? so why do they use it then?

>>714750779
>they apply
so who is enforcing them with what army?
yoiu want to arrest Drumpf?

>>714750912
>random ranting about trump
he is all out of ideas again

>>714749735
SkG wouldn't work if it didn't turn into another gamergate. People need to feel socially validated somehow in order to take part in anything these days and dunkin' on Thor was that social validation

>>714750645
Helldivers 2 both ironically and unironically
The PSN login shit made me drop it though. Sony already let me down once with their shitty cashgrab backports of nu-gen games that ran at 10 FPS on consoles even on potato settings.

>>714750763
>FUCKING GOD DAMN APES THAT DON'T KNOW FUCKING SHIT ABOUT PROGRAMMING
No shit. Everywhere you go requires a comp sci degree. They do not teach programming in comp sci anymore. Students are coming out of school with zero clue on how to program.
It's fucking embarrassing

>>714750871
of course
>why use it
implying corpos care about security lel

>>714750960
>Students are coming out of school with zero clue
could've just stopped there

>>714750942
>ignores question about army
>well it's juts law and you need to comply!!! because you just have to
I will slit any commies head right off.

>>714751026
>just fall for my shilling!
uhhhhh no?

>>714750953
Valve:
>create an internet account for this SINGLE PLAYER GAME
(you)
>yes, of course master Valve

Snoy:
>please create a multiplayer account for this multiplayer game
(you)
>wtf this is fascism!!! you won't oppress meeeeee

meds

>>714750853
>I still have not seen a valid argument about the end goal of this movement.
The end goal is something that will be discussed within the EU. Having a concrete plan is not the point of this initiative and it never was. Citizens initiatives job is to bring light to an issue and give enough signatures to signal to the decision makers that this is a problem that many people have, instead of it being an isolated and disgruntled person. So, we bring the issue to the EU's table and then they will discuss it internally, with the industry and with the people spearheading the initiative on what needs and can be done. This isn't "get 1 million signatures and we pass on a new law that you want".

>>714750547
The way they did it is weird. CS2 is the same appid as CSGO, but CS2 is the default depot it downloads, you have to go into settings > betas and CSGO's last release version is under there for you to download+play
So you didn't lose it, you didn't have it removed, it just got replaced with CS2 by default and you can 'downgrade' back to CSGO whenever you want in the app options

>>714734045
>yesss yessss maintain the server burn the money melt the planet yesssss
no one cares about your dogshit zoomer retardation, anyone with a brain knows how to preserve their games

>>714750976
so you do agree corpos are fucking shit then?
also i just remembered the whole subaru admin panel debacle, that was a funny lesson in corporate (lack of) security

>>714751082
>just sign this petition with no defined plan

>>714751150
>maintain the server
corpo kike shill

>>714739807
At the end of the day, those "leftists" manage to be the biggest corporation bootlickers. Insert the image of person who agrees with corporations thinks he's part of the resistance image here.

>>714751145
>it's basically the same game
>because of the appid
so money was stolen and game was illegally replaced
and no one cares because Valve
got it

>>714751150
I do, what's wrong with telling companies to think on how to accommodate their own data, it is also a benefit to them.
>saaar nobody cares giveup saar
No, you.

>>714751164
less shit than open source trannies

>>714751283
oh you're just a no-argument contrarian faggot, got it

>>714751074
Im not making an account for every single game i play no matter how you try to twist it.
I know i know.
But im just not gonna!

>>714739419
I am surprised about Jersh.
I thought he would have to say something about how fucking awful this is all redacted but he saw the internet pitchfork and decided to go along with it.
The guy has no integrity.

>>714751357
>but I make one for Valve single player games
>because that makes sense
meds
>especially when I boughted them physically
meds

>>714751173
That's how they all work, Rajesh. You have a stated problem and a desired goal but the implementation is not for us to decide.

>>714751441
I also made a microsoft account

>>714751082
>Bro just sign it
>Something will happen
>EU DO SOMETHING
so it's literally fucking nothing
I get it now, it's a "we did it reddit" moment

>>714751497
>sign something with no plan
>sign this employee contract that has blank pages
commies

>>714751497
>You have a stated problem and a desired goal but the implementation is not for us to decide.
That last part is spooky because it is up to senile representatives.

>>714751235
You're being retarded on purpose
Last reply you get

>>714751497
Here let me set your expectations
>Launch new multiplayer online slop of the month GaaS with micro transactions from Ubishit
>Message pops up
>"This game is expected to be available until 2030. The servers may shut down unexpectedly at any time. We reserve the right to extend the time period"
>You will press "I accept" like a good little cuck that you are
>Game will shut down after a few months because it's trash developed by Ubishit and you will just come cry on this anime image board
And before you assume, no I am not Indian, I am not brown. I am white and I do not, under any circumstances, purchase or play online only GaaS slop

>>714750741
I have no idea what the schizo redditor just said.
Any ideas?
>this is not a conspiracy when you throw a parade where you walk.
That sounds nice, I would not mind that.

>>714751713
Better than "we shut it down whenever lol"

>>714751764
You don't need the company to tell you that. Save yourself the headache and just assume all games have that warning message. There should be a reasonable amount of expectation when playing these online games. But I suppose some people are too young to realize it just yet

>>714751748
saaar try to learn english first before trying to shill

>>714751713
s you're meaning to tell me, that even with your doomposting argument the consumer will be better informed than if the petition didn't succceed?

>>714751823
why do you need expiry dates on food? just don't eat it if it smells funny or looks weird

>>714751827
yes, and this is HORRIBLE for game devs, so they are shilling hard.

>>714751823
Nope I will try to make it a law. Get fucked.

>>714751827
It's literally the same shit. They just put a random date and then say we can extend it or turn it off whenever.
If that is informing you, then this whole movement doesn't make sense. Because it's the implication that any publisher can do this now, so your level of expectations are already set.

>>714751875
>Needs to get the government involved because I made shitty purchasing decisions
I'm so glad I'm not a euronigger

>>714751867
>just don't eat it if it smells funny or looks weird
You are right. I will not consume live service always online slop. It smells like shit

>>714751764
Not that anon
>Whenever
10 years is a lot.
I am just going to add you are a faggot because I have been looking for people to play old online games and I can barely find like 3 people at most.
I know for a fact you do not actually play games, as much as you like to watch youtube because this is babby's first e-movement.
You will go back to play whatever is popular.

I know for a fact "gamers" are a vocal minority and never compromise to anything and I want you know I hate you because this could be the excuse the EU needs to tax videogames because ultimately you are ignorant on how this will be applied and in what shape.

>>714751234
Reminds me of that bitch at starbucks with expensive shoes and an Apple laptop with a end capitalism sticker on it. Cant find the pic

>>714752024
>because this is babby's first e-movement.
This really feels like a "we did it reddit, we support the current thing" type movement.
If you just think about it for more than a few seconds, you start to realize that this is just fucking stupid

>>714752019
answer the question though
>>714751910
>nooo don't put expiry dates, that's not needed! shut it down!
ha

>>714751826
I wonder if this will be like the south park Tourette episode and you will start speaking in saar all the time even when you don't mean to.
>EU initiative
>Learn English
It is already pretty humiliating you need a burger to tell you to defend your rights, more so that we are conducting this discussion in English because we all know when Brits are not even a part of this.

Thinking about it why are you not on Krautchan?

>>714751687
>when Valve illegally removes a paid game from your account, it's fine
t. shill
kys

>>714751074
Valve:
>provides actual benefits not just as storefront but as a place for mods, discussion, easy access to reviews and for your friends to chat with you and effortlessly join your games without any extra bullshit
(you)
>OH MY VISHNU THIS IS LE MONOPOLY

Snoy:
>just slapped on sign in to their games that function 100% perfectly without it
(you)
>*basedpogs* FOR SUPER EARTHHHH PLEASE TAKE ALL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION DADDY

i can be a retarded nigger on purpose too

>>714752150
we speaken deutsches hiere in EU.
Heil Leyen

>>714752150
saaar your gemini translation is failing

>>714752139
Okay
>Why put expiration dates on food
Because eating rotten food can potentially kill you
>Why put expiration dates on shitty games
Well you can, or don't. Literally nothing will happen either way. It's not like I'm going to pass away when the cunny gacha collector game shuts down.
I have a better alternative, stop buying games with unknown expiration dates

>>714752239
so if it's not a health hazard, there's no need to put any warning labels or informational labels on anything then?
why put nutritional labels on anything then? i mean if you wanna kwno how much sugar it has just taste it, right?

>>714750584
Don't forget EU forced Apple to allow EU users of Apple products to install whatever they want on their devices

>>714752203
I will keep replying to you just to know how much commitment you have to this bit
Also you forgot the angry indian, you are getting sloppy.

>>714752402
You have a smooth brain don't you? Nutrition facts are there to help you make health related decisions. They are there so you know what you are putting inside your body
I don't need an expiration date, that could literally change at any time, to tell me when someone shitty racing game will shut its servers off.
I genuinely hope live service is a thing of the past.

>>714747039
For indie devs it's the best as they pretty much never have the money to pay for cloud servers to chain the game to in the first place.

>>714750645
My favorites are Helldivers 2 and Darktide

>>714752509
>to help you make health related decisions
>to help you make decisions
HA

>>714752429
Did they? I was not aware of this.
Link?
I mean when a company is releasing bad products I do not keep up with them.
That said, Apple is mostly targeted because they offer high end devices that most richfags in the EU own and therefore petty politicians care about it.

Believing that the EU is FOR THE PEOPLE is a stretch.

>>714752709
>In the European Union, Apple users with iOS 17.4 or later can now install apps from alternative app marketplaces and directly from developers' websites. This change is a result of the EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA) aimed at promoting competition and user choice. Users in the EU also have the option to continue using apps downloaded from alternative sources even after leaving the EU, with limited update capabilities after leaving the region.
Couldn't find exact article but google AI gives this

>>714732731
>why should having a killswitch embedded in your purchases be made illegal?
I don't know, you tell me.