>50% chance of pulling this fucker every 80 pulls
>Lose THREE FUCKING TIMES, pulling Caesar instead.
Man FUCK this shit. I burned through all my polychrome and I fucking REFUSE to buy it.
Ill fucking do without it, fuck this game.

you can't lose a 50/50 3 times in a row, it's hard coded to give you the banner character the second time

You rolled on the wrong banner and actually won 3 times. Shame the coolest agent in the game is wasted on your retarded ass.

>>714753278 (OP)
>I HATE GACHA
>50% chance of pulling this fucker every 80 pulls
You mean to say you hate Mihoyo in particular.

>>714753278 (OP)
>>Lose THREE FUCKING TIMES, pulling Caesar instead.
dude, your second pity is always limited banner S rank aka orange cat in your case
you sure it was 50/50 and not early S rank pull that resets the counter?
t. someone who lost 50/50 caesar despite waiting for her 6 months and getting astra, chink and tiger

>>714753278 (OP)
why lie? you can lose the 50/50 once, it's guaranteed the banner next time. you can shit on gacha for other reasons just fine, no need to lie.

>>714753278 (OP)
doesn't work like that

>>714753831
implying the gachas with guaranteed banners aren't scams in some other way. Either they need more pulls, or give you less currency, or have a lower % chance.

My favourite is when they make characters more dependent on dupes, so you end up having to pull more just to reach the same baseline. Then it's just a 50/50 system except every other 50/50 is a forced loss.

>>714754128
you are just inventing reasons to be mad on the spot.

Yet, you chose to play the shit genre anyways.
Why OP?

>>714754128
>or have a lower % chance
In Mihoyo's games you have like 10x times lower chance of pulling an SSR than the average. Which was already in single digit percent. It's absolutely abysmal.
Mihoyo gachas are all about the guaranteed 50/50 SSRs. And in my experience it's much more disheartening to lose a 50/50 than pulling an SSR at 10x times higher rate, even if it's not the banner character.
>dupes
Oh, yeah. That's absolutely retarded in Mihoyo games. Other gachas at last give you an option to use a generic resource to uncap any of your characters. For Mihoyo it's dupes ONLY.

>>714753278 (OP)
The gacha monetisation model should have never been invented

>>714753374
The shitpost is that the other character probably has a banner up at the same time and he's rolling on the wrong one while pretending to be stupid, baiting people into responding in shock and laughing.
Unfortunately half the thread is people who don't play the game but really want to complain about it.

>>714754128
you can get a lot of agents as a freemium, if you need to spend for pulls then you should consider NOT playing gacha, or hany gambling games at all
also due to EU laws, they're forced to write up the actual rates. Enjoy gachas like dbz dokkan where you could make 300 pulls and never see the banner unit
also, good luck at getting angry at your own imagined argument and then answering it

>>714753278 (OP)
Do people really pull banking on winning the 50/50 instead of just having enough to outright guarantee it? Why? Are they stupid?

>>714753374
Came here to post this

>>714756885
Majority of mihoyo playerbase do not save and just use their rolls immediately "because the pity carries over". It's an incredibly effective scam tactics against people with no self-control.

>>714753831
After playing Nikke and Blue Archive and Uma I realize how generous Mihoyo is. You need 200 fucking pulls in all of those games mentioned in order to get your desired character. In mihoyo games you only need 180 to get the character you want. And thats not including soft pity. With soft pity included you're probably getting them at no more than 140.

>>714756885
I kinda have 200 rolls in stock but I never really intend to have "enough for the pity" to roll. I don't know the math but the natural chances to win seems to be above the 1/90 we get for the pity. I think I got half of my chars in about 50 rolls. Only jufufu was being a bitch that required 90 rolls. vivian was 20 rolls and I still felt scammed because she's shit.

>>714757018
BA hands out like x5 times more gacha currency than Mihoyo though. And you don't need six fucking extra dupes to uncap the character. And don't forget the weapon gacha.

>>714756970
if you lose the 50/50 on a banner, then the banner changes to a new character, will the character you get be the new character or does it reset back to a random one?

>>714753278 (OP)
nortubel gacha when?

>>714757160
It carries over. So if you lost 50/50 on the old banner, you're guaranteed to get the featured character on the next banner as your next SSR.

>>714757018
>200 pulls
>get 10+ different characters including the one you want
>160 rolls
>get 2 characters 1 of which is always someone you don't want

>>714756970
Well if the system is already set up like that then I don't really see the harm of that kind of rolling "strategy", especially if they like trying their luck for the shiny new stuff. It does make it hard to try other gacha games though where you always want to save up.

>>714757264
in 160 rolls you can get twice the character you want. Actually you can technically even get it 160 time. It might happen one day.

>>714754258
he didn't actually, since what he described literally cannot happen in the game

1st copy should always be 100%, character + weapon should only take 90 rolls total. copies of weapon and character should be the whale market. monthly should give you enough gems for both characrers every patch, f2p should be able to earn enough for 1 character each patch.

>>714757159
>BA hands out like x5 times more gacha currency than Mihoyo though
Fucking where? It takes me like a week of dailies to get a single pull on BA but I get a few for mihoyo. Am I seriously missing something somewhere
>weapon gacha
I agree with that though.
>>714757264
>get 10+ different characters including the one you want
Characters that are worthless you wont use.

>>714758007
>Characters that are worthless you wont use.
That's the case for Mihoyo games, where the power creep is straightforward and unrelenting.
In other games you can get some niche/situational characters that are favored over hypercarry DPS. Or at least needed to support them. In Mihoyo gacha it's just stronger characters that do bigger numbers every time.

>>714758007
If I had them I'd fucking use them. Meanwhile there's like 10 different characters in these games where they're stuck in the "looks cool but not 160 rolls cool" limbo so I will literally never get them.

>>714758127
Thats true but its not like in either of these games, in ba or mihoyo games you need skill or characters to complete the story. Its all just for fun, quite seriously. So not getting a character you want in any of them isnt very fun.

>>714757018
>he actually uses the gacha in his gacha game
>play limbus
>never even roll once just straight up buy the new character with the grindable pity currency from the shop a week after launch.

cant stop winning

>>714758294
Yeah, but the argument was not about getting the character you want. You do that both when sparking and on pity. It's about the other SSRs. And, as you said, it's also about fun. The extra SSRs help to smooth out the disappointment of not rolling the character you want early. For Mihoyo - it's just all or nothing. So in 50% cases (if your luck is average) you end up getting your soul crushed. I just don't think it's a very fun gacha model. But, I guess, I'm in the minority here, since Mihoyo's pity seems to be pretty popular.

>>714758287
>looks cool but not 160 rolls cool
Those you roll a few rolls on and walk away if you're unlucky. Sometimes you get them early. Just got Caesar like that, didn't really want her but her tiddies are big

>>714753278 (OP)
How pathetic must you be to lie with a fucking gacha game of all things, just to get replies from anonymous retards in a shitpool of a board?

>>714757651
>1st copy should always be 100%
NTE is doing that but that sounds gay to me. At that point you're not gambling, you're just buying. And I like to gamble, that's why I play gambling games. People who don't like to gamble should just stop playing gambling games

>>714758494
Well the argument originally was about how generous I found Mihoyo compared to the others. In fact actually I will say Nikke might be the most generous simply because of all the currency they give you. BA seems to be the least generous unless I'm missing something because after months I still dont even have enough for 200. Meanwhile I do in nikke and do in ZZZ as well. But I will say yeah I have far more SSRs in BA despite all that so I guess it does balance out in that regard. Honestly both are flawed and should be improved upon. As far as that goes Uma is also in the BA department I'd say. You're always getting a cool new horse it seems. No matter what. So yeah I can see what you mean, as far as things being generous I guess it does come down to opinion as honestly I feel they are evenly balanced all things considered.

>>714758494
Because most have never seen another type of pity system. Tower of Fantasy has a better pity system than Mihoyo games(80 pulls for hard pity - SSR Guaranteed, Even if you pull an SSR before hitting the 80 pull mark it doesn't reset, progress to 80 carries over to any limited banner, similar 50/50 system, you earn currency(flamegold tokens) by pulling that you can just use to outright buy the banner character after 110 pulls in the Weapon Store) but you don't see people celebrating that one. ToF unfortunately has the garbage ass Matrix system though which is the W-Engine/Weapon banner but worse because you need the 4 unique matrixes per SSR to complete the set.

Like i said, f2p, I have extremly shitty luck yet, im missing only 9 S ranka gents, got all A ranks and majority of S rank pulls get it around 70-77 pulls per agent
i got fufu and Kot on a single 10x roll thats why she looks like 'lucky" yet it was lucky pityrolling Kot as 1st 50/50 and then Fufu as second guaranteed S rank
When grinding for caesar, game absolutely shits polychromes at you. I did all comission, agent stories, story mdoes, grinded whatever hollow zero offers and got fucked at caesar 50/50
I'm not a zoomer and i remember far more aggresive gachas. This one is like child play, it's not even spamming you with ads or pretending to be free yet paywalling content
Just before every banner pull ask yourself
>I am gonna use that character?
>do I like it and want it in the rooster
>Do i miss stunner/atatcker/anomaly/tank/support?
>is the char extremly shilled super agent like Miyabi?
Like, im gonna skip next banner simply because i still can perform with jane, so no need for new physical, no need for new buffer for Miyabi/Yinxuan because they're already op and i cleared all ahrdest content already. Oh, and i have Yanagi and Miyabi sicne they're rerunning
If i was paying I would prolly sit bored with all agents complete and everything cleared

>>714758857
okay you can gamble on the dupes? if you like gamble go gamble. people who like to gamble should stop playing games.

>>714759109
forgot pic

>>714759109
>Just before every banner pull ask yourself
I'm saving for Orphie, because I like girls with horns. Simple as that.

>>714759189
>people who like to gamble should stop playing games
These are gambling games dumbass, you're making no sense. Gacha is gambling
>you can gamble on something you don't want
why the fuck would I do that

>>714753278 (OP)
Salad-munching emid

>>714759013
>ToF
>better than anything
Nah fuck these people. They move characters to standard without announcing it during their banner first. Hotta is cancer

>>714758898
How the hell did you get those SSRs in BA if you're saying you didn't have any rolls?

That is some fucking bullshit dood

>>714759517
They've moved 15 characters from limited banners to the standard banner since release. Every single one of them had their limited banner run at least Three times, maximum of Six times. They've also given out at least Three SSR selectors to choose from the Vera SSRs they added to the standard banner as well.
Hate on Hotta for being INCREDIBLY stingy with Red Nuclei for limited banner pulls, terrible TL work, absurd SSR scaling - New SSR are fucking absurd to the point Aesperia and Vera blades(minus the poster girl Lin) have been completely outclassed, hell even some of the Domain 9 SSRs have been made obsolete by the new blades. But they give you ample time to collect any SSR you want via Limited Banners.

Those beach skins might finally make me spend money on this shit. How much will they cost?

>>714760858
If they are priced like all the other skins, ~1580 monochromes or thereabouts.

>>714761061
or maybe i'll just mod them

>>714753278 (OP)
>Agile heavy hitter
I didn't know how much fun this play style was until I rolled that blue girl with the comically oversized ice blade.

>>714754128
nah mihomo is just poop

>>714761061
and how much is that in chink dollars you fucking idiot?

>>714757018
"Pulls" and "Currency" and "Gems" are all intentional obfuscations. DO NOT look at these numbers when comparing gacha games. 1 pull in one game DOES NOT equal 1 pull in another game, ever.

Instead, let's look at cost in USD as a baseline across two games, Blue Archive and Genshin Impact. We will compare the best and worst deal for currency required to get a banner character in the average number of rolls.

BA:
3% chance for 3-star
average rolls to get featured character: 100
cheapest price per roll: 8000 pyros for 64.99
highest price per roll: 60 pyros for .99
currency cost of roll:120
min: $97.49
max: $198


Genshin:
1.6% chance for 5-star (Including soft pity. 0.6% without soft pity.)
average rolls to get featured character: 105
cheapest price per roll: 8080 primos for 99.99
highest price per roll: 60 primos for .99
currency cost of roll:160
min: $207.9
max: $277.2


We can see plain and simple how the average for BA at its worst USD conversion rate is cheaper than the average in Genshin at its best conversion rate. There are other things to consider, too, such as the fact that BA can use universal currency for dupes, and which games give out more free currency, but this gets the point across. Mihomo games are just plain greedier and if you thought otherwise then you fell for it.

>>714762081
no one sane buys top-ups bro

>>714761942
143.31 yuan, you fucking idiot.

>>714762293
A moot point because no one sane plays gacha games either.

>>714762723
And no one sane browses /v/ either.

>>714759463
reminder that this is a drug addict pajeet

>>714754725
There's no way someone is this retarded. The banner has BOLD TEXT explaining this.
It's still predatory but come on. Have a higher IQ than an indian...

>>714760858
>Those beach skins
Are awful. Seriously what the FUCK were they thinking?

>>714764705
Ni Hao buddy, now cough up that yuan for those beach skins.

>>714765837
Yeah, how about no? They look better in their normal outfits. I *might* roll for YZH, since my roster is all anomaly.

>>714753278 (OP)
Fucking chinese bots are getting clever, posting clear bait so the retards can finally win an argument against a false accusation. "Gacha games aren't that bad, look at this retard!"

>>714766054
Lmao, Wendys handing out ass kickings with their burgers

>>714753278 (OP)
>160 pulls
Quit yer whining, you now have unironically the two best characters in the game.

Gameplay?
Gatchas are just gambling for rerards.

>>714753278 (OP)
you are like a little baby

Alice's swimsuit looks great before the censoring which mods will fix and I'm going to get her because this game gives you two full pitys each patch lmao

I find that the repetitiveness of the gameplay of gachas to be much more of an issue than any amount of randomness. But that's just me.

>>714766054
fuck I already spent for the tiger

Ju Fufu's asshole...

>>714768413
>top 6% spent
Thank you for sponsoring our game!

>>714768980
I'm in the top 7.5% and I've only bought the $5 pass, and not even every month. whales are probably top 0.5% is all

>almost done with main story and maybe half of the sidequests
>ride triple exp from event
>used a few batteries
>ik 47
so were early players just stalled and made to do dailies to hit 50 when there were even less things to do?

>Don't pull character I want
>Stop playing to go find a gacha I have better luck with.
Simple as.

>>714769220
Yes
First hoyo gacha?

>>714753386
paizuri.

>>714753278 (OP)
You haven’t seen shit yet.

Now that the dust has settled, what did we think of 2.0?

>>714770108
i dislike chinese culture
bring me back to urban slop

>>714770108
the story was boring and the new characters are dull, with the exception being >>714768736

i legit don't remember if we fought the new weekly boss or not in the story

>non-guaranteed pity
People 'play' this shit?

>>714770719
Miasma priest was the final boss of aerospace after you save town.

>>714770820
and here i thought no one would be stupid enough to believe op

>>714753278 (OP)
I lose 3 time with the same piece of shit.

>>714770108
It's not as good as Season 1's high points (Victoria and Calydon) but still better than the complete dogshit that's the later chapters and the new characters are likable despite being chinks. In fact, the worst characters in this game are still the japs. I hate the shitty Rally style exploration and Farmville minigame though. This game needs another reboot in Season 3 just like Vindictus.

>>714770108
>Not Hong Kong is nice
>Music is so-so, nothing great but not horrible
>The new battle areas are a big step up
>Shifu is a decent character, but her design is shit and doesn't fit the game
>Lack of comics/animations
>Overdoing the "horrible past" trope again
>Cinema event is fun, Armored Core-ing with Mazinger is stupidly easy but at least it's not just reusing existing characters.

On a scale of Horrible/Mid/Great it's Mid.

>>714759013
You’re ignoring the fact that every fucking ToF character was only good if you got 3+ dupes.

>>714766054
Outdated webm, as of most recent beta they added the raccoon to block her butt with it's tail on this screen.
And to rub it's damn bastard face on her physics enabled chest

>>714772126
Horrible past is kinda expected given the planet is doomed so hard within the past century, that humanity is basically left with one major city before they recently found a way to fight back.

>>714772576
I mean they are still doomed. Eridu is still surrounded by huge hollows. They maintain the ones inside the city to stop them from growing but Hollow Zero is pretty uncontrollable.

>>714753278 (OP)
I quit the game but I still like the kot

>>714773190
sorry forgot image

>>714772561
that little racoon bastard

is the story worth caring about or just skip everything?

>>714772576
In some way, yeah. But if every single character's backstory is that of a Sonic OC, it does start to get old.
>Actually I'm the last survivor
>That one sad_track.mp3 starts playing
>Static drawing shown.
>Everyone died, I question myself, I have a superweapon that will kill me if used, so I don't.
>Return back to upbeat_area_BGM.mp3

Compare that with the police crew or American girls.

>>714773819
generally yes but the last patch was kinda meh, with feng shui training and whatever the fuck

>>714773819
>pre 2.0
depends on your tastes, i personally enjoyed calydon and Jane agent story unless she's not mandatory anymore to progress/ Miyabi arc should be nice too now since you're not missing half of the voices from retarded VA strike
>2.0
CHING CHONG CHANG when game chinked out

>>714774870
>CHING CHONG CHANG when game chinked out
mihoyo ALWAYS chinks out. they somehow chinked in star rail which is a fucking space game. and everyone hates amphoerus so far.

i guarantee their gta clone will always chink out.

Since the general was under indian raid all day can anyone tell me if this is significantly better than the free/cheap options?

>>714768413
>S luck top 4.3%
Does it matter when your luck is this good?

>>714775736
the question is, for who, because you can use it on either Jane or new girl only

>>714776394
I'm eyeing it for Alice yeah

>fuck this game
>keeps playing it

>>714775736
the free option for anomaly units is free gemini which gives 25% attack and 180 ap
idk what kind of character alice will be so i can't say if it's better or not
if she's like jane and her gameplay consists of big assault numbers, gemini is fine
but considering how her ball gives AM instead of AP she probably wants to trigger assault more quickly

Gamblingniggers..

>>714753278 (OP)
lmao that’s unlucky but part of the deal. you should hate gacha for all the things they do to prevent you from playing the game like allowing you to level up at the pace you want and being timegated. good gachas like genshin are still playable with the default cast. It’s your fault if you throw money at it

>>714776534
until we actually get finsihed agent it's hard to say from ebta alone
If you got fusion compiler from free anni banner or from getting dupes when rolling agents, it's not that much better
if compared to weeping gemini well, it is an big upgrade with 2x20% from anomaly procc alone, but we need complete charcter to see it. Also the diffirence is lessened by aility to easily 5/5 gemini from shop alone

>>714776562
>>714776863
>>714776952
you fell for the bait btw

>>714776952
this game gives you free characters to use in all the content that matters (and level syncs them in certain endgame ones so you don't even need to level or gear them)
also you fell for the bait but thanks for bumping

>>714776742
>>714777002
damn apparently this is the only ball that gives AM
building AM ALSO gives alice AP so all AM is the way to go

>>714753278 (OP)
>Caesar instead
...They put Caesar on the possible units to earn from failed 50/50s?

>>714753278 (OP)
I got insanely lucky and rolled both Yixuan and her engine by the skin of my teeth. I was tempted to get the tiger but her association with popcorn and piss is just fucking gross to me as adorable as her robot companion is. Not really interested in the fencing rabbit either. Probably going for nagis engine. I love her big tits so much.

>>714753278 (OP)
You are a worthless gambling addicts you will probably end up buying your skooma.

>>714773819
Falls off at Mockingbird

>>714773819
Skip everything except msq. This game was made for people with multiple monitors so you can mindlessly click through overly excessive and pointless textboxes while browsing or watching something on the side.

>>714779795
>her association with popcorn and piss
where

>>714777653
depends on the AM to AP translation, discs you gonna use etc. so you can compare if it's better to stack AM or get flat bonus from sig
and for that we need live character
and i'm not even talking about supports that can completly turn it around, like getting AM or hard AP from lucy

>>714781254
Apparently tiger piss smells like popcorn, so naturally coomers started memeing it. Hoyo got a little cheeky referencing it briefly here
https://youtu.be/ftIfHp2h7eg?si=_CwJ2_hjhgQNkf2L&t=208
It's something only utter degens would know so it probably flew past most people's heads

>>714758007
You would have to ignore the pvp, events, raids, and even the weekly task to only get only 1 pull in a week. Pyroxene planner says it'll take about 2 months to get 200 pulls, not counting the free extra 100 we're getting this week.

>>714753278 (OP)
This is what you get for playing the Jew Gambling Simulator because the pngs make your dick hard, retard. You deserve to lose all your money.

>>714753831
the other gachas are worse

>>714783117
Such as?

>I HATE GACHA SO MUCH
you know you can..not play it?

>>714787514
maybe he's too poor to buy games

>>714787727
even if thats the case he can always play f2p shit like..dunno hots? wow or XIV trial versions?

ratings shouldn't exists

The king wants you, and you aren't allowed to refuse.

>>714787972
>XIV trial versions
I wouldn't advise anyone to invest a single minute into that sinking ship

>>714788321
well its free
all games end dying or i would still be playing swg and wow
can't play XIV because i paid for something so the trial version doesn't work for me

>>714788262
I wish I could roll her, but I only have enough to guarantee Miyabi
I'm sorry, My King (female) .

>>714768980
1200 total pulls is about what i have as f2p

>>714776394
>you can use it on either Jane or new girl only

>>714790079
sorry after getting jane i completly forgot she exists despite having her at m6

>>714753278 (OP)
Turns out you were the one being played all along, anon.

>>714790079

Just noticed the new tower ends in 8 days. Man, it's so much easier than the old tower. Reset just sets you back to the last multiple of 10 floor. So I swapped in Yixuan and Astra who I got now. This is a joke. Yixuan shits out iframes non-stop. And in case I need healing, I can pop Astra's ult. Not that you need it in the new tower, since you can pick cards that heal you 20% per floor. I'll finish the next 10 floors some other day for the badge.

>>714793078
only difficulty about tower was shadow clone jane that before miyabi required your own jane to counter
I'm talking about iteration with no yellow/red flashes so you needed to pay attention to her attacks especially when she spams jump and sprints
and it was when each of those attacks could 1-2 shot any agent even with caesar up

>>714788262
sorry saving for the racoon girl

>>714793405
I've spent a good amount of time doing no-hit Shadow Jane floor. but if you're just progressing upwards, she's not that tough. The demon lord medals are actually no-hit, so you can't cheese it with Caesar's shield.

>>714775736
does assault scale on attack? that's a lot of attack for an anomaly unit

I just hate the flimsiness of their pretense this is not corporate plants doing the posting.

>>714788262
Got her the first time around because I actually have good taste.

>>714793078
>22/42
ngmi

>>714753278 (OP)
>Playing chinese garbage
LOL. Sad bro. You're just giving money to China?

FUCK

SHOULD I GET CAESAR??? I LIKE HER BUT I KNOW THE UPCOMING RED HEAD IS GOOD FOR JANE AND I LOVE JANE

>>714796234
I don't think there are any rewards for the medals. The badge for floor 100 shall be enough. I just don't have the time to grind a gacha with no payoff. I have real games to play.

>>714791653
Cats can't drink wine you fucking retard.

>>714770971
>I hate the shitty Rally style exploration
Never mind, I like it now. It just felt awful when you're there for Story business because of the endless interruptions and yapping. And Lemnian actually feels like a bleak shithole unlike the S1 Hollows.

>>714796339
Yes

>>714796989
>m*bile gamer
>no blue archive
Kill yourself as soon as possible you non-gacha "gamer"

>>714797276
Blue Archive is a PC game though.

>>714753278 (OP)
Shut up, you fucking love it you slut

>>714793870
>does assault scale on attack? that's a lot of attack for an anomaly unit
Yes, the base damage of anomaly procs is dependent on attack and a multiplier dependent on the anomaly type.

>>714796359
No one needs Caesar. She's just a crutch for shitters who get hit.

>>714793870
>>714798146
Anomaly proc scales off Anomaly Proficiency and Attack.

>>714798243
>Anomaly proc scales off Anomaly Proficiency and Attack.
Proficiency is a multiplier added after the base damage along with a bunch of others like stun multiplier, character level, enemy resistance and defense, etc.

>>714797276
but that one isn't fun to play