What is a good team for this? I feel like most people just use Heracross, Ampharos and a non-plant starter. I def want to use a Phanpy.

use the mons you want but expect to compensate with actual strategy in the latter half of the game, it gets hard

I transfered over my pokeymans from pearl version and raped the whole region + boosted exp

Zoroark

Last time I used
Hercaross
Mamoswine
Meganium
Skarmory
Slowking
Arcanine

>>714758424 (OP)
I applied a patch to turn trade evolutions into normal evolutions and I used Scizor a lot, it's a beast.

>>714758424 (OP)
Just play with your favorites and have fun. Pic related is my current team on Leaf Green. It's terribly unbalanced but I love these little niggas like you wouldn't believe

>>714758424 (OP)
I tried using Lanturn last time and it was pretty good. Had to just hit Thunders and Blizzards because I didn't play Voltorb flip for better TMs.

>>714758424 (OP)

>>714758424 (OP)
why are you even asking
it's one of the easiest games due to how fucked the level curve is

>>714762424
Did the remake change crit rate being tied to speed which made Tauros and Perisan absolute beasts?

>>714758424 (OP)
Your starter with Earthquake and enough PP to spam

>>714762642
I don't think you understand what the level curve problem is, the issue is NPCs are low level and yet pokemon gym leaders's levels keep rising
This means you end up with underleveled pokemon for the battles and it's a pain to grind them, this makes it one of the harder games

>>714762642
You know it's a meme opinion when people don't understand the criticism anymore. No, people complain that the difficulty drops and rises dramatically at certain points.

>>714762612

>>714762673
I like Pokemon but I have no knowledge about its inner workings. I'm a simple man, I catch my favorite dudes and go with it

take me FUCKING BACK

Sell me on this hack

>>714762673
Yes.

>>714763781
There was something so pure about the night time aspect of the games.

Whatever you want
Only a fool would choose their 'mons based on how useful they are

You know, in my experience, BW has much worse postgame levels, to the point that it makes me wonder if that's supposed to encourage you to transfer stronger Pokémon from gen 4 to gen 5.

>>714758424 (OP)
Dont forget the free shiny gyarados.

Muh level curve anons are gay, speedrunning is gay, you're supposed to take your time with these games

Level 80 anything works on everything

>>714763781

>>714758424 (OP)
You just sweep the game with feraligatr with ice fang.

>>714764869
I miss Smoochum being pissed the fuck off.

>>714764869
It sucks that the GBA fucked the colors and they made it permanent. Gengar actually looked like a menacing shadow instead of grimace from mcdonalds. Look at all the blue mons like Nidoqueen and Feraligatr, now compare them to their modern washed-out versions.
Actually Feraligatr got fucking massacred overall. WTF were they thinking.

>>714758424 (OP)
Use a random number generator to craft your squad for a fresh playthrough. Reroll if you don't get HM viable mons.

>>714765307
Even the feraligatr we first got is a downgrade from its beta sprite where it's on all fours.

>>714764869
>100 new Pokemon
>only like 5 are good
Damn, that's bad.

>>714763781
I prefer HGSS just for the pure content (and they have their own aesthetic quality) but it's amazing how good GSC looked and sounded for GBC titles.

>>714765720
>implying
name them

>>714766143
>Despotar
>Yanma
>Phanphy
>Mamoswine
>Heracross
>Forstella
>Porygon-Z
>Politoed

Okay, maybe more than 5 but still.

>>714758424 (OP)
I just finished Elite 4 in Soulsilver here's my team

>>714764869
>>714766551
and...
>typhlosion
>feraligatr
>xatu
>espeon
>steelix
>scizor
>sneasal
>houndoom
>hitmontop
>entei

>>714762642
It's not like mainline Pokemon games are Hardcore.

>>714761776
You spelled Jackie Chan wrong

>>714766740
>Vaporeon

>>714758424 (OP)
Your favorite Pokemons.
If they are shit you just have to grind a bit extra.

I always thought the level curve complaint was that the games were too easy because you can tackle gyms out of order after Morty. Never though people were finding parts too hard lmao.

>>714758424 (OP)
My team as a kid was
>starter
>shiny Gyarados
>Togekiss
>Snorlax
>fossil pokemon
Can't remember my last one though.
Probably Ho Oh?

>>714768813
I don't get what they're smoking either. Probably some regurgitated e-celeb bullshit. Only Gen 1 had obnoxious difficulty spikes, particularly Pokemon Yellow where the 5th gym leader has a Level 50 pokemon when everyone else you're fighting in the same area have mid-30s.

>>714768813
yeah that's what people have always said, the game is scaled assuming you could go to multiple different places so after you do one you are already too strong for the others.
that you constantly are stomping through a bunch of shit because of the open ended choices.

>>714768813
The worst part is right before the elite 4 when you have to grind like 10-15 levels in Victory Road or that shitty route outside Blackthorn. I always cheat in rare candies for that section alone

>>714758424 (OP)
whatever you like really, the game has a good balance of good and shitmons all throughout, just make sure you have a balanced team, I played the original and not heart gold though so it's hard to recommend mons because of the physical special split

>>714768813
the Elite 4 is a big spike exactly because of that, everything prior is lvls 20-30 and then the Elite 4 is on the 40s, you're just really starved for XP at that point

>>714758424 (OP)
Use only 3-4 pokemon or you will be underleveled

>can't beat E4 at 30
>can't beat Red at 50
teambuilding issue

>>714762424
>Vulpix
>Weepinbell
>Sandslash
Why does leafgreen have the best version exclusive?

>>714769941
Time takes its toll on everyone, anon. Don't feel too bad about it.

>>714758424 (OP)
The less pokemon you use, the better, this is a problem with most pre exp share games but it's more notable here. That said the game is easy enough that you can ignore this and use whatever you like, some good mons to use are Gyarados, Graveler, Magneton, Lanturn, Crobat, Jynx, Miltank, Tauros and most trade evos

Not the most exciting team but these were my guys, I barely managed to beat Red with them in the low 60s. I didn't mind grinding at all, I play these games on a real DS on the toilet or during breaks. Dropped a Graveler and a Hypno along the way but I'll always appreciate them. Yeah, Ampharos and Heracross feel too convenient and fun not to use.

>>714766551
Next time I'm definitely using Mamoswine though, getting it to Blackthorn city to get such a broken Pokemon is not that big a hassle. Considering also a Yanmega if I can get Tinted Lens.

>>714770628
Is Crobat actually good in HGSS or is it more of a Johto pokemon selection being poor and the other flyers being trash?

>>714758424 (OP)
Kingdra is really good in gen 4.

>>714758424 (OP)
>Don't make Celebi catchable so the only Gen 2 worth your time is the Crystal VC on 3DS

Why are Gamefreak like this.

>>714758424 (OP)
>good team
just level your starter to 75-80 and you're set.

>>714770863
crobat is always very good

>>714770863
>the other flyers being trash?
It's basically a better Fearow, good enough for the game. I was considering also getting a Dodrio or a Scyther but they come with some annoying caveats. The Zubat stage is fucking painful, but as soon as you can give it some flying moves, it's worth it for the massive speed and for having access to Fly, not to mention, if you baby and take good care of it you can basically skip Golbat.

>>714771102
>just level your starter
Only subhumans do that

>>714766740
Couldn't help but notice tyranitard is one or two levels above the rest.

I have never used Ampharos and Crystal is my fav game in the series

>>714770863
It's fast, decently strong, you can get it early and easily, and it has decent moves, so it's pretty good but there are better flying types if you just want to hit shit hard

>>714771404
He's not in Crystal

>>714771102
>>714771236
To me, it just feels completely wrong not to raise 6 guys I like. I don't care if I have to grind or if I take longer.

>>714771404
Those two things aren't surprising at all because Amphy isn't in Crystal.

>>714758424 (OP)
Play palworld instead

>>714771225
Scyther in HGSS is completely nuts if you get a technician one. It can sweep almost everything.

>>714771435
>>714771460
Well I haven't played og crystal in ages since I always replay rom hacks. I might use one next time.

>>714771236
>>714771460
I've always liked the idea of exploring the world and beating every challenge with my pretend best bud.

In pokeMMO I did in fact raise a team and it was fun. But it wasn't a magical journey

>>714768813
Lmao no, they complain about being bodied by E4 and Red.

>>714771487
I know, and it makes my dick hard how there's two not only viable but basically optimal early nuke bugs (almost three, sorry Pinsir) in the game. So fucking good. It's almost worth the hassle of the bug catching contest. Almost. I am considering manipulating the in-game clock or grinding it next time I play. Maybe also trade with myself to make it a Scizor as soon as I can steal myself a Metal Coat from some Magnemite.

>>714758424 (OP)
Typhlosion, Ampharos, and Gyarados is literally all you need.

>>714758424 (OP)
Sneasel is too cute not to use!!

>>714771748
Get a Ditto for breeding if you're unlucky and get ready for Tuesday bug chad anon

>>714771920
>move it to Ice Path in Crystal
>move it right back to Mt Silver in HGSS
God dammit Game Freak.

Why are physical copies so expensive? Didn’t this sell well? I mean I don’t care I can just emulate but still

>>714772067
They get more expensive every time GF releases a new game. You can connect the dots.

>>714772003
>Majority of the brand new Pokemon introduced in Johto are post-game, or are locked to trades
Genuinely what the fuck were they even thinking with this shit

>>714772067
Since they're fondly remembered and really sought after, all the DS Pokemon games have obscenely inflated prices that don't correspond at all with their sales numbers. One of the poster games of all the harm speculatory faggots caused to game collecting.

>>714772003
pretty sure you can't get a dark type before the elite 4 at all in gold/silver
nice new type, what a shame if you want to use it

>>714772343
I sold emerald (just the cart) for over $100. I’m glad I can just emulate games without feeling obligated to spend 100’s

>>714772334
gen 2 steel btw

>>714772562
>I tanked that btw

>>714758424 (OP)
Jumpluff is lowkey overpowered.

>>714772003
>HGSS romhack
>"I fixed the poor pokemon selection"
Oh cool maybe he added houndoor, murkrow, sneasel, etc to you know johto
>No he jammed every hoenn and shinnoh pokemon into johto to "Fix" the selection
Every fucking time, pokemon autists cannot practice quality over quantity, every romhack does this

>>714772334
>>714772346
I was there, and the simple answer is, they probably wanted to make them feel mysterious, rare and valuable, I remember the night-only dark types being all over magazine merchandise. This problem is a little overblown but yeah Scizor, Murkrow, Sneasel and PARTICULARLY HOUNDOOR hurt a lot. Big blunder that should have been fixed in HGSS and I'm glad romhacks tend to adress.

>>714772562
>steel used to reist dark
I KNEW IT. I FUCKING KNEW I WASN'T TRIPPING WHEN I PLAYED SUN AFTER YEARS OF NOT TOUCHING POKMOEN AND I REMEMBERED STEEL RESISTING IT. Of course they fucking "nerfed" it.

>>714772690
Underrated shitter mon. It's so fucking annoying.

>>714772801
why they didn't stick houndoor and murkrow as night encounters somewhere earlyish in the game is bonkers. and yeah, romhacks good (if only they'd stop crashing on my dsi)

losing ghost and dark resistance really hurt steel, having an immunity and only resisting 9 types.... but they added fairy and made it resist that too, and is one of the few things that is super effective against fairy
it was very much a "nerf"

>>714772475
I wasn't obligated to spend 100s either cuz I got mine for 20 euro on sale when I was a kid, I only emulate if I wanna try some crazy randomizer shit, but it's nice to have the real thing to play it anywhere on my actual SP which shouldn't be 100 bux.

>>714772562
I do remember having a hard time with Jasmine back in the days. Now I can see why

>>714772346
>If you want to use the brand new Steel type, you either have to use Magnemite/Magneton, which most people who play a new generation want to use the newer 'mons, or trade for a Steelix/Scizor, which forces you to make them hold a certain item just to do it
To this day I've literally never had a Steel type in my Gen 2 team, despite Scizor being one of my favorite Pokemon. I'm pretty sure neither Steelix or Scizor even learn a Steel type move in Gen 2, either. Or they learn only one.

>>714772475
>Some fucking faggot stole my Emerald version in the after-school YMCA my mom forced me to attend
At least I got a new one off eBay for pretty cheap right after (Yes it's real). This was back when no one cared about Pokemon in America before XY and Pokemon GO changed that forever.

>>714772801
It's just extremely unnecessary, and only worked to hurt them more than anything. By the time you even get them, you basically have nowhere to use them. Murkrow doesn't even evolve in Gen 2, as well as generally just being a bad option to ever use in a battle, and both it and Houndour are found at such low levels that you're forced to train them just to be at the same level as your team. They love fucking with the player for no reason. Like how in SuMo, you can't get Vikavolt until fairly late game iirc.

>>714773424
>>714772790
Houndoor should be the night analogous to Growlithe in that one Goldenrod route, and I'm sure there's something Murkrow could play night counterpart to. Sneasel should just be in Ice Path again, Larvitar should be deep in Mt Mortar or Sinjoh Falls, Scyther and Pinsir should be 5% encounters in national park no contest, and if you really wanna have Hoenn and Sinnoh mons in Johto, just make them exclusive to cellphone swarms. There. What romhacks need is to practice restraint.

>>714772790
>>714773753
some try to restrain themselves, like refined gold seems to say it will, but everyone has their favourite pokemon and if you're sticking some new ones into a game, you may as well try stick the rest in. encouter tables get fucked though. radical red does a cute thing where you can basically just pick what pokemon you'll encounter in a route if you've seen it

>>714758424 (OP)
It's a game for children my nigger just use whatever you want

>>714771985
You're making me wanna do a bug only run next time I play

>Heracross
>Yanmega
>Scyther/Scizor
>Pinsir

These four have downright excellent stats, and with Ariados/Butterfree/Paras for sleep status shit and some HM slaves, it might be fun. The only thing I am dreading is the first gym (maybe Butterfree is good enough??) and Lance's rematch Salamance with no access to ice moves kek I was thinking Swords dancing Scizor but the fucker knows flamethrower.

>>714774990
Scyther is a better sweeper than Scizor and can allow you to skip bad matchups by setting up on other harmless pokes.
Last time I managed to make use of Ledian of all pokes. I think Encore is busted in single player.

>>714775727
>Scyther is a better sweeper than Scizor
Bullet Punch > your dumb ass

>>714776249
90 power move with terrible coverage < 135 power move with amazing coverage
Come on now

>>714773753
Replace Pidgey/Spearow spawns with Murkrow at night to put more emphasis on the differences of day and night.
Houndour should have outright replaced Vulpix/Growlithe spawns at night, too.
>If you want to use a NEW Fire-type in Gen 2, your literal one and only option is the Typhlosion line until post-game (Or Ho-Oh if you have Gold version, which means using a Legendary)
Scyther/Onix should evolve if they're holding Metal Coat and level up with high friendship (Make Metal Coat a gift item that Jasmine gives you after you defeat her, or put it somewhere else that's fitting that you can get it before the Elite 4).
Do the same with Slowpoke/Poliwhirl and let them evolve with friendship while holding King's Rock, too.
Apply this same method with Seadra too for good measure.
Sneasel should appear in Ice Path during night the way it does in Crystal with a slightly higher spawn rate.
Make Larvitar like a 1% somewhere, maybe Route 45 or even Dark Cave.

>>714775727
Oh yeah I used Scyther once, I know he's bonkers in-game, but Scizor's gotta be basically unkillable if you're not getting hit by fire moves, he resists EVERYTHING, it's insane to have an offensive Pokemon with Forretress' typing, Garchomp's attack stat and technician for good measure. Maybe I should run both

>>714776249
I really really hope Bullet Punch wasn't an egg move in Gen 4 or something. 110 att strong tech boosted stab aerial ace with Scyther is nothing to sneeze at though.

>>714776730
You can definitely run both because they fill different roles. Scizor is a good bulky offensive type or a nice pivot with a slow U-turn. Fortress could also be useful now that you mention it. Might be able to cheese some otherwise annoying things.

>>714769068
Yellow was full of nonsensical changes to the Gym Leaders done for anime synergy, such as Sabrina running the whole Abra line at L50 to imitate the anime where she only has a single overpowered Abra that evolves in mid-battle.

>>714758424 (OP)
this game is hella easy, use whatever you want. If you want to use Donphan, go for it, it's sick as fuck

>>714762424
it's not too bad, I'd just watch out for flying types

>>714777030
>Forretress
I fucking hate overly defensive/stall mons in game kek but I guess 90 base attack isn't unusable and if you're doing a challenge run sometimes you gotta cheese. I won't ever stoop so low as to use Shuckle though. I love the thing, it's cute but I'm not doing Shuckle strats on a regular playthrough god please no.

>>714777275
If you're going all bugs you might need to so some niche things anon

>>714773753
Houndour feels a little too strong for early game, compared to Growlithe which is restrained by the severe lack of Fire Stones. I'd put it deep in Mt. Mortar, just close enough to Morty where it can be useful if you're hard-up for a good Ghost counter.

>>714776730
STAB is applied after Technician. Aerial ace really becomes a ridiculous 135 power move.
60 x 1.5 = 90
90 x 1.5 = 135

>>714776441
Steel/Bug is much better offensive coverage than Bug/Flying. Not to mention you can still have the flying move anyway if you really hate all three of the fighting types you'll see in johto, Superpower to cover the entire dex minus charizard.

>>714758424 (OP)
game is basically over by the time you can catch a phanpy. what's the point?

>>714777535
>Steel/Bug is much better offensive coverage than Bug/Flying
Simply untrue.

>>714777624
you can get a phanpy really early game in crystal, in the bit of grass you can access in route 46

>>714761537
I might do that at some day. I'll probably open up some of the gen 3 games and use pk hex to transfer them

>>714772346
Umbreon if you want to baby Bill’s Eevee. It’s a huge pain and if you over level it you’ll miss faint attack.
>>714773695
Steelix does not. Scizor gets metal claw but you have to give up wing attack learned only as scyther or breed for both moves. Also skarmory is available pre E4.

>>714771348
I wanted to evolve him before I beat the elite 4 so I grinded, but Ninetales is just as much of a beast because of Nasty Plot.

>>714768281
Vaporeon MALE wewlad

>>714772067
Yeah this shit sold millions, they're the most laughably overpriced games in existence

>>714777953
not the game being talked about here

>>714778258
Skarmory isn't in Gold

>>714776569
You can get one off magnemite. You can have a scizor or steelix before taking on Morty if you want.

>>714778543
i am aware, but if you're hankering for an early phanpy in that setting, that's your option without going for romhacks or randomisers

>>714758424 (OP)
gen 2 mons looked so soft and non-aggressive that gamefreak was forced to make gen 3 mons look badass

>>714778935

>>714758424 (OP)
Heracross
Marowak
Togekiss
Tyrannitar
Golduck
Arcanine

>>714778258
>Umbreon
>attacking
Just slap toxic on it. It even sweats poison.

Last time i went with this, didnt bother with Red

>>714758424 (OP)
>Rattata
Early glass cannon like in any other game where you can catch it early on. Hyper Fang at lv16 is a nuke and evolution at 20 gives a decent boost, but that's when it peaks. Might need to replace later, augment with a TM, or convert to HM slave.
>Pidgey
Fucking trash if we're being honest. Stats are middling at all times especially when you consider how late Pidgeotto evolves. Fly HM gives a slight relevance boost in battle and utility, but any other bird is better.
>Sentret
Strange in the earlygame as Sentret is really slow, but Furret is decent enough and a fantastic HM slave as well as an early Headbutt spammer.
>Hoothoot
Honestly in the running for being worse than Pidgey, but at least it evolves into the final stage at 20. Stat spread favors special attacks and support, which is not necessarily what you look for in a generic Flying mon, but it can work.
>Spearow
Now we're talking, Peck is just good early on and the stats wipe the floor with Pidgey. Another lv20 evolution makes for a good Johto mon.
>Geodude
You know him, you love him, he throws rocks, he does dollar store EQs with Magnitude. You can't go wrong adding this guy to your Johto team which explains his popularity. Even if he never becomes a Golem, he's dang good.
>Caterpie, Weedle, Spinarak
You know them, you might love them, you might have never used them in a Johto game before? Who knows. Butterfree does Butterfree things, and there's always value in ~90% acc status powders. Beedrill's Twineedle hasn't really been the same in terms of singleplayer performance ever since Bug lost out on the super-effective matchup against Poison after gen 1. Spinarak is in desperate need of moves with stronger base power than those it learns naturally, and Ariados' stats aren't amazing, but it's not the worst thing you can train if you dedicate some TMs to it.

>>714782386
>You can't go wrong adding this guy to your Johto team
Geodude crushes the first two gyms and is very helpful in withstanding the wrath of Whitney's Miltank.

>>714782386
>>714758424 (OP)
>Bellsprout
Vine Whip! Sleep Powder! A lot of desirable basic Grass traits in one package. Not much else to say, other than it being an interesting player choice in when you choose to evolve it. Do you want to wait around for a stone from Picknicker Gina, or do you get it from Kanto, and at what level should you commit to it? Up to you.
>Zubat
Not nearly as much of a pain to train as in past generations, as in gen 4 it gets Bite and Wing Attack somewhat earlier. This makes it an actual strong candidate for the team even from the very earliest point. Zubat's stats suck, but the moves mitigate that until evo time. Crobat is like a dream compared to the likes of Pidgeot.
>Dunsparce
For the point in the game you get it, the stats are that of a behemoth. Catch a Dunsparce, head to Violet Gym and watch the birds melt in the face of your divine Rage. Stats fall off later, but there's always value in status like Yawn and moves like Rollout and Headbutt. You might even bring this guy to the endgame.
>Rocky
Onix sadly sucks compared to Geodude, but a Rock/Ground is still a Rock/Ground with plenty of good early MUs. Only include in the team if you really like Onix named Rocky, or if you're planning to have it evolve.
>Mareep
Everyone fucking picks this and it's obvious why. A tanky electric mon that spreads paralysis and packs decent elec moves is a unique flavor among electric types and there's not many other choices in Johto if you want one. Ampharos can clutch so many battles with its defenses.
>Hoppip
I am biased to call Hoppip really cool but I'm a weirdo who likes stalling the CPU to death with Leech Seed. Your mileage may vary. You will likely prefer Bellsprout, you plebeian.
>Wooper
Wooper's SpAtk sucks so it takes a while to get going (until lv20 exactly), but Quagsire is legit and of course we must remember it gets EQ naturally.

That's all(?) the pre-gym 1 guys. I might have more to say about later choices but does anyone care to hear it?

>>714782386
>Pidgey
It's funny as every bird after Gen 2 has been decent. Facade Swellow is incredible

>>714765682
Damn, I had no idea.

For me, it's Venusaur, Raticate, Pidgeot, Omastar, Dugtrio and Gyarados (evolved from the Magikarp I bought).

It's a fucking Pokemon game for 3-6 year olds. You cannot lose no matter what you do

>>714758424 (OP)
On my last playthrough I used Lantern, Scizor, Houndoom, Espeon, Bellossom and Crobat. Refined Gold romhack.

>>714782708
Oh yeah, I forgot Unown. Lol. Lmao.

>>714783081
You also missed Qwilfish.

>>714782632
He's actually not very good against falkner in gsc because he just spams mud slap at you. He facerolls in the remakes since they replaced it with roost.

>>714758424 (OP)
As a rule, I avoid double weakness types, so no heracross (flying), no tyranitar (fighting), no charizard (rock), etc
That said, I usually default to umbreon, venusaur, zapdos, lapras, steelix, hitmonchan (shit stats, but wider elemental attack pool than most fighting types), and smeargle because I think he's just a fun goofy wildcard if you're patient and creative enough

>>714783081
And Gastly, I suppose. Gastly is pretty awkward to train since your best means of offense for a good while are Curse and Night Shade, but when it gets Shadow Ball is when things should smooth out and you can stop playing suicidally all the time.
>>714783407
The southern part of Route 32 is accessible after the first badge, right? That's where you get the Old Rod and can befriend the Fisherman who tips you off about Quilfish swarms. The Old Rod gives you access to several things but again, it's after you beat the gym and get the guy blocking off the route to fuck off. It's possible I'm mixing things up with the original Gold/Silver/Crystal, but at least I checked that there's a patch of route 32 grass north of the roadblock guy in HGSS.

>>714782708
I enjoy these descriptions, pls continue with the options for gym 2

>>714758424 (OP)
Steelix/Gyarados Intimidate degensive core. Fuck your earthquakes, fuck your thunderbolts, fuck your toxic.

>>714758424 (OP)
Anything. HGSS are the easiest games in the series. They're way easier than the originals, and they were already piss easy after Morty

>>714783676
what kind of autism leads to an arbitrary rule like this?

>>714779474

>>714784229
They definitely aren't, but I can't blame you for forgetting X/Y exist.

>>714783676
venusaur, zapdos, lapras and steelix are double types though

>>714784602
read frogposter, read

>>714758424 (OP)
>ttar too late
>evolution stones behind shitty minigames with a daily rotation
>TMs behind boring ass Voltorb flip
>routes are full of level 15 kanto shitmons from the beginning all the way into kanto because they adjusted nothing from the originals
>move tutors postgame and need BP
HGSS are honestly dogshit like GSC, just with some sprinkles on top.

>>714784687
Yes redditor, I read that you contradicted yourself

>Sold HGSS
>Had to change the name of one of my pokes because i named a gardevoir R34 bait

>>714784821
God help you

>>714784281
Probably autism, but idk, I just don't like to for a main lineup
>>714784602
Did you read the whole thing? Or just what you felt like? I provided context and everything. Go on anon, give it another go

>>714785103

I think I need to look for my copy. I still have the poke walker too somewhere.

>>714784380
oof, you right

>>714783676
>>714785197
Try Heracross sometime anon, at least once, he's insane. Level 19 Brick Break. Whitney in fucking shambles.

For me its trying to get good coverage and then realize 4/6 your team have the same weakness anyway

>>714785569
If you hack a dsi/3ds and put the HGSS rom on the SD card, there's no real reason you should own the original when you could be making bank.
I wish i still had my pokewalker though, i remember using that thing and lost a swampert on it when i lost it

>>714785771
One of my multiple rules for making teams is that no more than two Pokemon can share any single type weakness.

HGSS is shit because I can't 2HKO Whitney's Miltank with Scyther

>>714786212
>Scyther
R O L L O U T
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>>714785742
I have fond memories of fucking shit up as heracross in early game, but for late/ meta, I try to avoid anything that runs the risk of more easily getting one shotted
>>714786212
>Rock 4x against scyther
Welllll wellll well, >>714784281

>>714786372
>X4 rock weakness

I'm going to be honest with you anon,

Pokemon is a game that is quite literally designed to be played and beating by 6-10 year old children and while it's an all ages game enjoyable by all, there is no reason at all for an adult too ask which pokemon team is good for it because you can beat it with anything

>>714785197
Yes I read that you have a rule, but you don't stick to the rule, so you actually don't have a rule, so therefore your post was completely pointless.

>>714786372
>>714786485
This is where I reveal that Scyther has enough bulk to survive a 30 base power rollout and 2HKO with fury cutter thanks to being one of the few pokemon capable of outspeeding Miltank. Use Clefairy as setup fodder. It's easier if you use a female for attract immunity.

>>714786758
>You didn't follow your own rule 100% of the time every time
Damn, who's the real autist here?

>>714786770
I'll give it a go next time I play through, thanks for the fun suggestion, anon

>>714786485
Sycther's really fast and it can get technician so

>>714786770
Oh yeah. It has 500 BST and the same defense as Miltank has attack, don't think super effectiveness is the be all end all of defensiveness, even with 4x, rollout should hit him as hard as it would Quilava, who has somethin like 50 defense. Every member of the bug trio can fuck Whitney up honestly, Heracross is just the easiest one to get.

>>714786592
>pikashit + deliberately held back starters

rollout doomfags are FRAUDS

>>714761537
I hope Pokemon Colosseum on NSO lets us deposit Pokemon via Home so we can use trade boosted exp to fix the level curve.

>>714787169
The key factor is speed. You need 49 speed to outrun the cow, so you may need to juice yours up with a carbos or two.

>>714787454
VC stadium got both jack and shit so don't get your hopes up

>level curve so fucked up you will be like 20 levels above gym leaders and shit
like who cares man, the game isn't even fun

>>714770863
Crobat is generally good for playthroughs, fast, not a lot of power but enough for a normal playthrough, evolves quickly if you use it a lot, commonly available and basically walls and destroys any fighting types.

>>714783986
Old Rod time!
>Magikarp
It's Magikarp! You know how he is, slurping up your EXP and lazing around being useless like he's Garfield on Monday. You *could* catch Magikarp now and train it until it's an awesome Gyarados, or you could skip the hard part and just catch one later on, there's a whole lake of 'em in Johto. Depends on how early you want it. Gen 4 Gyara is always worth it tho.
>Tentacool
Probably an overlooked pick for Johto teams, but as soon as you get over how bad its early level moves are (such as when you get that Surf HM) it becomes a very reliable Water mon.
>Qwilfish
You might be here for a while running circles until you get a call that Qwilfish are swarming, but you can do it early on too if you wish. In terms of usefulness, Qwilfish is like Tentacool but even more niche in appeal, same typing but a more awkward stat spread and the moves are a bit different. Still a fun guy.
>Poliwag
Similar to Wooper in that it's cute as a button, but it's not Ground type, it's much faster and has more spatk, and gets Hypnosis. Another mon where the player has to make actual choices for how to build the mon, as it has a split evo path who both require items (and one, also a trade). Poliwrath is ballin', Politoed is a disappointingly average Water-type in spite of the tricky evo method. Still, could be worse.
>Krabby
Ohhh, boy. It's post-physical-special-split Krabby! And... it gets Crabhammer at lv54. And it doesn't get Waterfall. Bummer. It still hits like a truck even w/o its best move though, and that's cool in itself.
>Sandshrew
Cute, but not strong at all. Long gone are the days of lv17 Slash of gen 1. Struggles to get much done without TMs or HMs.
>Goldeen
A hipster choice if there ever was one. Pierce the heavens with your Horn Attack. This guy gets Waterfall in its lvlup movepool! Even the worst of Water types is kinda good, desu, and Seaking certainly *isn't* the absolute bottom of the barrel.

>>714783986
>>714787681
>Oddish
The counterpart to Bellsprout comes a bit later in Johto, and offers similar things but with HP drain and a more even stat spread. Also a split evo which is cool. Somehow the new guy Bellossom is once again more boring in its utility than the old reliable Vileplume, but if you want Grass and you didn't get any of the prior guys, here's another choice.
>Paras
Lv17 Spore. Nuff said. What else do you want it for, anyway? I mean, it's cute, but like, for what it contributes to the team?
>Slowpoke
Holy shit, he's Cursing! He's gonna fucking get you! Cursepoke is a menace, and having Surf and Psychic-type moves as further coverage on the special side is great. Water is such a good fucking type and always has so much representation in any given region, it's kind of unfair on some of the other types. ANOTHER split evo! But you're probably getting Slowbro unless you painstakingly set up the trade with a King's Rock. Both are essentially the same anyway, it's just a choice of Def or SpDef and aesthetics.

>>714787640
if you're going to parrot youtuber arguments for games you haven't played you could at least not get them totally backwards

>>714758424 (OP)
>use starter
>catch other pokemon but don't switch to them
>one shot everything
Yep, it's mainline Pokemon time.

>>714787838
hgss has the worst campaign of any pokemon. it is the most boring thing in the universe. i don't know why you guys try to pretend otherwise.

>>714787560
I'm not. I figure it will be withdraw only at best and still not holding breath.

Am Pokecasual post Dexit and Home is fucking atrocious by the way. Borrowed Let's Go and bought Violet for Switch 2. Wanted to move my Mewtwo into Violet and it took several minutes every time it had to upgrade anything. Moving Mewtwo from Home to Violet somehow took longer then downloading brain age.

>>714787532
>>714787302
>Sycther's really fast and it can get technician so
Right. I personally don't get super technical until late game, it helps me feel ever so slightly like I'm playing it for the first time

>>714787962
doubling down isn't going to work here once you've proven you haven't played it

>>714787962
>I need pokemon to be la hecking epic storytime

Bellossom
Crobat
Lanturn
Ursaring
Espeon
Hitmontop

What y'all think

>>714788171
>>714788072
>the game doesn't need to be good
i'd rather play crystal, or a hg/ss romhack, or literally red and blue. it's just the most boring one because the curve is fucked and the gen 4 engine is ass. seethe as much as you want retarded your sacred cow smells like shit

>>714788375
Firered is bad, kanto is fucking BORING.

>>714788375
>Game is non-existent without a plot
Moviegames have rotted your brain

>>714788171
me when i play a dogshit johto game and im slogging through the boring rocket events as they send out their 40th kanto shitmon 10 levels below me

>>714787169
>>714787532
The bottom of Route 46 can spawn Geodudes. So I typically just catch a female one and use her to deal with Miltank

>>714788375
How would you know, you haven't played it.

>>714758424 (OP)
Get some trade evolutions if you're able. Slowkino is king.

>>714787681
I wish you could get a Water Stone at a sane point (before Morty), Poliwrath tends to be pretty reliable if he's available midgame. In Sun you can get him right before the Rock kahuna lady and he steamrolls her better than Primarina.

>>714788282
As someone who's never been able to trade, Espeon gets my sincere gratitude for being America's choice Alakazam. And I do mean it. Best and most usable Eeevelution.

>>714788479
Meant for >>714788481

>>714788490
That's good thinking, high risk for higher reward

>>714788037
Nevermind technician. Scyther has ridiculous stats for something caught with only two badges. Fury cutter, quick attack, and wing attack shred everyone, except Jasmine, all the way up until Lance. The only thing keeping if from sweeping Morty is curse.

>>714788479
who are you quoting? no one said this autist.
>>714788524
i'm literally looking at my highschool copy on my desk right now you retarded brownoid. i bet you've never even seen a ds in real life.

>>714788536
I remember elemental stones being a fucking nightmare to get. The poke minigame place was the only way i think

>>714788746
I guess all you've ever done is look at it if you have to lie about the level curve.

>>714788037
Not so much a technical thing for me, but rather a preference I always favor as a bug type fan. I'm just really happy that, among the many, many options you got for dealing with the wretched cow (and her Miltank), the big bugs perform well. Just another possibility to spice up your run.

>>714788490
Geodude is an excellent choice in the Johto games and arguably a top 3 mon in the entire game. Its nearly unkillable against anything without water or grass, learns powerful moves like magnitude and self-destruct, and can be taught rollout right before you battle Whitney to literally roll over entire teams. Graveler even learns earthquake right before the E4 and saves your valuable earthquake TM.

The best team for any Pokémon game is your favourite 6 Pokémon. Simple as.

>>714787793
slowbro completely shreds red too, I was surprised that mine practically one manned his whole team when I played a couple of weeks ago and he was only mid 50s

>>714789195
>Six Magikarps
But not this. Never this.

>>714788903
>elite 4 in the LOW 40s
>4 badges deep in kanto fighting LOW 40s still
>teams of like 3/4 nfe for every gym leader
go die retard. this isn't even bringing up rocket grunts and their level 10 shit mon half way through the fucking game.

>>714788536
Anyone emulating shoul use the randomizer to unlock trade evolutions

>>714788629
You can get water stones from pokeathlon

>>714789023
If you could get Golem without trade shenanigans Geodude would basically be the best Pokemon in the game no questions asked. If Rhydon didn't come as stupid late as it does, it could give it a run for its money but iirc, it even learns quake a little later.

>>714789297
Trade evos are not a problem anymore. Many emulators can now trade with themselves.

>>714789286
and the player is the same level if not lower, which you would know if you played it

>>714773695
I understand where they were coming from but yeah it wasn't a good idea. Just growing pains the series had to go through before they hammered down what a Pokémon game should be. Ruby and Sapphire corrected that mistake without resorting to having only new mons that they considered at one point.

>you can't get Vikavolt until fairly late game iirc
They fixed that in USUM at least.

>>714789470
>it's shit i agree
concession accepted. retarded autist.

>>714789668
Still not beating the "didn't play the game" allegations

Is Gen 7 worth playing?

>>714789364
Rhydon has another major issue holding it back. Without rollout, you need to breed it with the endgame Larvitar line, a better line, to obtain a rock move. Graveler and Sudowoodo's rock throw may have low power, but you don't have to commit to it by locking yourself in. Sudowoodo even learns rock slide by level up to help it compete with Graveler.

Graveler's stats are more than enough to power through the game. He never falls off. And as I mentioned here >>714789429 self-trade functions allow you to easily obtain trade evos if you're playing on an emulator.

>>714789560
>animals
>cartoon animals and symbols
>animals
>animals and fantasy creatures
>animals
>cartoon animals
>what the fuck

>>714790196
Ultra Moon and Sun are okay at best.
Very, VERY easy however.

>>714790196
s/m have a much better story, but us/um has a much better post game episode. do idk man your mileage will vary.

>>714772801
They had to make it neutral to ghost and dark or Aegislash would have been an even bigger monster when it debuted.

>>714790417
>No hack that properly merges the original and Ultra stories together
It wouldn't even be that hard. Just have Lusamine get her jellyfish and fight you before Necrozma.

>>714790196
lol no, just wank off the oyakodon porn instead

What team are you running now?

>>714793476
Spent some time breeding for razor leaf Oddish. I had to breed two sunkerns together for a level 5 one first because they're too high level for Sunflora to learn it by level up.

Just got surf. Going to Burned Tower next

>>714794091
disable bilinear filtering

Does Colosseum hold up?

>>714758424 (OP)
I'm trying to replay this and thinking of dropping it because the level curve means you're basically playing with gimped unevolved pokemon for the vast majority of the main story + waiting for one of those faggots that give out evolution stones to call me is just fucking tedious
Just let me evolve the fucking eevee I got 4 gyms ago, I don't want to wait until the postgame for it to not be useless (and I also don't want an umbreon/espeon)

>>714794328
Linear filtering? Disable that? Explain this to me since I don't touch the settings.

>>714794328
>>714794469
nvm it looks better. Thanks, anon

>>714758424 (OP)
/vp/

>>714794352
Its a lot slower than you probably remember, and enemies use a lot of cheesy tactics against you, but its still fun if you're fine with the limited party options

>>714794352
depends on your standards, it's a piece of shit of a game but it's fun if you like just doing 2v2 battle over and over, it's barely a pokemon game and none of the pokemon systems that are thrown in work well with the game

>>714759142
This. I used what I felt like, but some mons are legit just shit, like Xatu, and you have to come up with a strat.

>>714794469
blurry ass video filter vba has enabled by default

vba is also abandonware and you should use mgba instead

>>714794848
>Natu/Xatu

>>714758424 (OP)
>I def want to use a Phanpy
in heartgold? it's a silver

>>714795375
*silver exclusive

>>714795375
HG/SS switched Teddiursa and Phanpy's availability from G/S.

>>714795301
For reasons I'm not going to get into right now, I'm stuck with Myboy! It's a shit emulator, but it's what I got.

Also Heracross

>>714796470
>For reasons I'm not going to get into right now, I'm stuck with Myboy!
You can just say 'autism', anon. It's okay. We won't judge.

>>714796470
Too bad this Cross isn't nearly as broken as the one in HGSS but I bet once you can get some physical moves into him, he'll be doing fine against anything that doesn't resist them. Also I forget, but Pokemon can just run at any time in Gen 2, right?

>>714796639
I can't download a better option right now, at least not on this outdated hardware.

>>714796885
>Pokemon can just run at any time in Gen 2, right?
No?

>>714797018
And I don't mean that I can't run one, I mean that I literally cannot download another emulator.

>>714796885
No, some pokemon can run away like Magnemite, Phanpy, Delibird, and Heracross. For these pokemon, use a fast ball.....or don't because some anon will probably tell us it's bugged and doesn't work.

>>714758424 (OP)
>Get Snorlax
>Teach it Curse
>Win

>>714796470
I will definitely be judging you, phonescum

>>714797047
>>714797260
Yeah I've jsut looked it up, and I thought of this because I definitely have memories of reading "Heracross fled!" and raging

>>714797260
>If the wild Pokémon is Magnemite, Grimer, or Tangela, the Fast Ball has a 4× catch rate modifier; otherwise, it has a 1× modifier.
While it is intended to be more effective against all Pokémon that can flee, due to a glitch, it is only effective against the first three Pokémon in the list of Pokémon that have a 10% chance of fleeing (these three being Magnemite, Grimer, and Tangela). The code was intended to instead check the three tables of Pokémon that have a chance of fleeing (Pokémon that have a 10% chance to flee, Pokémon that have a 50% chance to flee, and Pokémon that always flee).

Later games are just high base speed because regular mons don't flee anymore.

>>714797420
The good news is that Heracross is sometimes encountered while asleep. As long as you know which tree to headbutt, catching Heracross isn't nearly as aggrevating as Phanpy or Teddiursa. However, Teddiursa has by far the largest payoff if successfully caught in Dark Cave. The little bear hits like a truck early on, and hits like a ten megaton bomb once it evolves.

>>714797857
Meanwhile, in Sun and Moon, you can just buy Fast balls from pokemarts starting in the second island for like 1000 poke dollars and they're abslutely broken. If you want to ctch anything, any ball that isn't Fast will be backup or insurance.

Do GSC romhacks that fix the bugs exist?

>>714798052
Pretty sure all of them do.

What's the best generation 2 romhack these days?

I'm going to assume that Drayano never finished whatever the fuck he was working on, but surely there's SOMETHING?

>>714799619
Polished Crystal because it's open source and you can tweak things around.

>>714761537
You didn't beat the game.

>>714799619
there's Crystal Legacy, I was playing it and it's interesting, even has a hard mode and stuff
I didn't really like that it messed with what pokemon show up in early routes and fucked up the early level curve

>>714799619
The one you make yourself.

>>714787454
It's baffling they havent either put every game besides the 3ds ones onto NSO or as products on the eshop with Home compatibility. It's literally free money and they have no reason not to

>>714799619
Sour Crystal is my favorite. All the others have gay OC or excessive trainer changes. It's also the only one I've seen that overhauls boxes to the modern system.

>>714770096
Idk but if you're just playing for fun then I don't see a reason not to just play modded roms that side step exclusives and trade based evolutions

>>714800651
Personally, I like it when hacks add an NPC or other function that simulates trading so you can get trade-evos on your own.

>>714800651
version exclusives are neat, building your team in the context of what's available is more interesting than being able to use any mon
that's how I see it at least

>>714758424 (OP)
>what's a good team?
>immediately mentions that he wants to use a shitmon

>>714800861
Seems like a waste of time. Mystery Dungeon solved this 20 years ago no reason to fix what's already fixed.

>>714801490
I just don't agree with hacks that alter a Pokemon's stats/moves/evolution trigger from their normal settings. Feels like just plain breaking the game.

>>714763781
>25 years ago
>back in those days...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MNAktk9ei8

>>714788282
>Crobat
>Espeon
>Hitmontop
Based

>>714788282
I like it

>>714802337
Trade evos are just as arbitrary as using an item. Even moreso because it's literally free compared to items which always have some cost attached.

>>714767132
>Xatu
>Steelix
>Typhlosion
>houndoom
>entei
>feraligatr

These mons all are true garbage though. I think the poster was talking meta.

>>714798051
...You're talking about Quick Balls, yeah? Fast Balls are a different item.

>>714799619
I liked Polished Crystal.
Stuck fairly close to the original while adding a bunch of modern stuff and some interesting balance changes.
You can play without the balance changes if you want too. Theres also a nuzlocke mode if thats your thing

>>714770096
Because LeafGreen represented the "weird" side of Kanto.
>High-pitched shrieking Victreebel over the cute and marketable Vileplume
>The mystical and vindictive curse-afflicting Ninetales over the noble and laidback Arcanine
>The bizarre pink psychic otter/salamander/hermit crab hybrid that is Slowbro over the still cool but unremarkable in comparison that is Golduck
>The Ultraman parody robotic psychic starfish from outer space that is Starmie over the down to earth Cloyster
>The ass-faced Magmar over the inoffensive Electabuzz
>The scarier Pinsir over the cooler Scyther

This overall makes FireRed feel like the more normalfag option. Wonder if anyone else has any observations about other future exclusives from other games.

>>714807440
>Theres also a nuzlocke mode if thats your thing
Not as of the latest update. They stopped supporting it because it was a pain and people could just restrict themselves without it anyway.
I'm simply waiting for the update where the move limit is removed and they add more moves.
Then I'll compile my own more vanilla version.

Are there any romhacks that just add more pokemon in it without turning it into a kaizo/EV/IV autism?

>>714810157
How about you actually read threads before posting in them? Or just use google?

>>714809049
>This overall makes FireRed feel like the more normalfag option.
You're overthinking it. Red is more popular than green and it has a Charizard on the front cover.

Ursaring is elite

>>714810368
why would anyone do that

>>714810368
Too much effort, baby wants his spoon

just beat hg again last weekend and got absolute kino finish with 1hp

>>714812571
Lance that cheating fuck and his THREE dragonites

>>714809738
Is there any significant reason to not play an older version if you did want the nuzlocke mode?

>>714813239
Yeah, the older version had missing pokemon because before they switched to the 9-bit branch.
Then they could fit as many as they wanted.
It would still be perfectly playable so if it's important to you just do your research and decide.

>>714758424 (OP)
Grab typhlosion and red gyarados in any case

>Alakazam
>Heracross
>(Red) Gyarados
>slave
>slave
>slave
*siiip* *recovers 20 HP* Yup, it's a whole new world we live in.

>>714812571
>lv 39
God damn that 4x ice weakness makes a massive difference

HG/SS is easy as shit, I remember completing a nuzlocke once and beating lance with just a tauros and magneton, I also had a spearow --> fearow from one of the first routes survive up until one of the last E4 members

Why do people say Gyarados is good in GSC? Do they just use strength all day? Its water moves hit as hard as a wet noodle.

Sudowoodo is the superior road block mon

>>714817235
No idea why people act as if nuzlockes are hard when you can grind to your heart's content.
>HG/SS is easy as shit
It is

>>714817354
Because he red.
Dragon Rage also had more novelty back then

>>714817354
>Sudowoodo
lmao

>>714817441
>No idea why people act as if nuzlockes are hard when you can grind to your heart's content
are you talking about grinding pokemon to replace your dead ones? if you grind to a level above the next gym leader or E4 member it's not a real nuzlocke. also, I'm not sure if this is a popular rule but I never switch my pokemon out of my party until they die. no HM slaves either

>>714817793
>if you grind to a level above the next gym leader or E4 member it's not a real nuzlocke
Nothing about nuzlocke introduces level caps

>>714817993
don't complain about grinding then fag

>>714818147
I'm not the one boasting about beating an easy as shit game with idiotic self imposed rules homo

>>714817568
>100 base attack right after your third badge
>70/115 physical bulk
>starts with STAB rock throw and low kick for good coverage
>***learns rock slide before level 30***
>can upgrade to DYNAMICPUNCH if desired
>gains the coveted quakeslide coverage going into the E4
>good curse user
Sudowoodo is very good in GSC playthroughs. Graveler is a better, but that's like comparing Hercules to Zeus

>>714818365
I wasn't boasting I was pointing out how easy the game is. anyway, nuzlockes are fun to do once or twice for the novelty

>>714818796
>DYNAMICPUNCH
top kek
Now list the negatives

>>714800651
Some emulators like mGBA can make multiple instances that can trade with each other.
If it's available, I'll just use that (if I'm on the actual handheld, I'll port my savefile to the computer and back).
I figure it's the closest I'm going to get without buying a second console for no reason.

>>714812768
Those three lumps are nothing compared to his rematch's Lum Berry Salamence. Scariest Pokémon in the game. I hate that fucking thing, I think I had to use choice specs Starmie or some shit and that didn't even one shot him.

>>714819075
Speed I guess. Name more if you can.

>>714819498
Abysmal special defense, trades EQ STAB and electric immunity for less x4 weaknesses but will never stay in the face of a water or grass move anyway. 85% of the rest of the rock types are better, hardly impressive.

>>714819075
DYNAMICPUNCH is excellent if you're not a speedrunner tranny. If you miss, flip the coin again. What's the 0 IV opponent going to do? Kill you? lol, lmao even. So you're too much of a goddamn pussy, huh? Fine, keep low kick and clear the game anyway. 50 base power is enough for a coverage move to do its job in this game, and the targets you'll be hitting, other rock types, are often even slower than your raised fraudtree is. Just remember that you'll want DYNAMICPUNCH's power to handle Snorlax in the Battle Tower.
>downsides
What, you mean the five or so pokemon in the game that have surf instead of water gun? Six if you count Jasmine's iron tail Steelix? And don't get me started on those grass types with absorb and vine whip because there are no good grass moves in the game. Oooooooh, so scary. Rock slide their slow asses and move on.

>>714819870
Ok but counter point.
He’s a tree

>>714819870
worth it for being the only mon before the E4 to learn rockslide without breeding (with sudowoodo)

>>714777275
Take the plunge, anon. You know you wanna.

>>714820089
I'm convinced

>>714758424 (OP)
it's a game designed for literal babies. use whatever you want.

>>714820061
Great arguments and all, basically devolving into "game is easy anyway!" but we were comparing it to Gyarados.

>>714819870
>85% of the rest of the rock types are better, hardly impressive.
>Onix
Complete and utter shitmon until it evolves and is no longer a steel type.
>Rhydon
Can't be caught until Victory Road. No rock moves other than rollout. Must breed for rockslide at the very end of the postgame.
>fossils
unobtainable
>Shuckle
One of the biggest meme mons in the series. Can't kill anything without toxic, which you must obtain first. Can't kill poison or steel types at all.
>Tyranitar
End of the postgame. He's only usable for Red, the Battle Tower, and Stadium 2.
>Graveler and Golem
Better overall, but worse at using the rock STAB and is can't survive weak water and grass moves like Sudowoodo can.

>all the scyther love ITT
fucking based, scyther becomes my main mon every time

>>714820502
>Sudowoodo
>kills shit and doesn't die
>Gyarados
>doesn't kill shit and doesn't die
Good pokemon vs mediocre pokemon. Well done, Sudowoodo, well done......HOWEVER
>Lapras
>kills shit and doesn't die
>has water HM and sleep utility
The king of GSC water types and best fixed encounter in Johto

>>714820979
>All these artificial restrains for rock types
>Wasting EQ on it
The tree is not more useful than something like Gyarados, clear your head. Even Corsola mogs it.

>>714821370
Change Sudo to "kills shit and has to switch out constantly" and I agree with the rest.

>corsola m-
yet more evidence that anyone who uses newspeak like this is a retard

>>714821532
>newspeak is a word 10 years old
>won't even say it
Recover, Surf, Icebeam
Does its job better.

>>714821531
Sudowoodo can 1v1 most water and nearly all grass types because they end up even slower than he is due to stat experience. Against physical mons, Sudowoodo shits on everything except Jasmine's Steelix. As far as electric types go, they're quite rare outside of Jasmine's gym battle after you obtain it. The lass's Flaffy is too slow to threaten the tree.

t. used Sudowoodo last run

>>714821804
>recover off 55 base
>surf off 65 base
>ice beam is a postgame tutor move
>only rock move has 5pp
whatever crack you're smoking I'd love a sample

>>714821804
Hmm yummy yummy 65 base power surf when you can be using one of the trillion better and easier to obtain water types available. Did Sudowoodo piss on your cereal or something you Spergenstein? Get fucking real.

The fact that Crystal doesn't have Mareep makes it objectively worse than Gold

>>714822107
actually I guess it can get rock slide

if you chain breed from larvitar to totodile first lmao

if it has to be the soul silver version i try to still use mainly kanto pokemon
love golem but can't get him, golbat/crobat i always liked, victreebell, poliwrath, ninetales
but for gen 2 phanpy is gotten pretty late in blackthorn (i had silver way back when so he was cool), miltank, misdreavus (she's gen 2 right?)
used ampharos too many times, girafarig looks stupid, delibird is stupid, octillery changing from a fish to a squid is retarded

>>714822315
You get something far, FAR stronger than Mareep in Crystal, Elekid.
>B-But 0 IVs!
Day care, evolve at 30, breed it. You now have the mighty Thor and his divine electric + ice coverage.

>>714821532
I ended up using Corsola in an Emerald Seaglass Nuzlocke (one of the greatest hacks I've ever played, I wholeheartedly recommend it), and with only 30 additional BST (10 HP, 10 Defense, 10 Sp. Defense) he ended up being a carry due to skill link and the triple threat of rock blast, icicle spear, and spike cannon. Pretty good, but obviously unusable competitively.

Unfortunately that fucking faggot Wallace's Kingdra swept my entire team due to two freezes, and I never recovered.

>>714762424
Anon...you have to give your mons pun names. It's kino.

>>714821073
Bugs tend to be ass, so the one time where the classic big cool bugs were not only viable but downright advantatgeous with their god tier availability is one that should really be celebrated.

>>714822687
The Gen 2 elemental babies actually have surprisingly usable stats. They're far from terrible, they've got more BST than your average starter.

>>714822107
Yes recover off of 55 base. It has way more staying power than your slow tree that keeps getting hit. Amnesia lets it shit over random things too.
>using rock move on it
why would I ever do that?
>>714822107
>ice beam is a postgame tutor move
As opposed to your Sudo EQ?

>>714822240
Now we are comparing Corsola to other water types. Talk about moving the goalposts at every opportunity.
>>714822240
>Did Sudowoodo piss on your cereal
Not really. Slow mons are bad to babysit for a casual playthough because they can't sweep without getting hit and you have to keep healing them after battles. I can play with Gyarados like a nigger spamming headbutts and surfs or thunders and it will clean house with 30 hp lost by the end of the shitty Rocket gauntlents.
But sure, 30 base speed and a special weakness that matches your type weaknesses are super great. Let me guess:
>hurr durr 0 EV enemies
Funny how that only applies to your 30 base speed but not Corsola's 65 Attack.
My post isn't spam baka 4chan.

>>714793476
>nobunagua
gotta go kill myself after witnessing this shit

>>714822062
see
>>714820502

>>714823089
a victory road tm is in fact not a post game move tutor move, yes

>>714794352
I'm playing the grand colosseum romhack on my 'eck right now and that has been pretty fun and challenging. Always liked the atmosphere of that game

>>714758424 (OP)
Your starter and humping the Pokemon Centers until you're +/-1 2-5 levels above/below the other trainers in the world.

Once your starter is over leveled you just keep getting revives/potions until you beat the Elite 4.

>>714823089
>Now we are comparing Corsola to other water types
Because Corsola is fucking worthless as a rock mon and to even dream that elusive shitter comes even close to Sudowoodo with much better stats and 100% encounter rate is such a laughable proposition I won't even humor you with it.

>>714823205
Oh no, how am I gonna hit fire and flying types until then. Freaking Gyarados uses EQ better than Sudo.

>>714787902
What a balanced game! (Laughs and adds Kanto for more of it)

>>714823089
Sudowoodo's EQ TM is obtained in Victory Road, just in time to lay the smackdown on Silver, Koga, and Karen. Who is the first person you battle in Kanto? Oh, right, Lt. Surge, a man with a team of pokemon who are one shotted by EQ.

Meanwhile, you have to spend your life savings on that ice beam tutor. If you want ice beam, do yourself a favor and catch Lapras instead. It also comes with the move sing, which is vital for attempting to catch Suicune before Blackthorn City as you are unable to buy ultra balls at this point in the game.

>>714789560
>Trumpgoose introduced before the first gym.
Nippons knew.

>>714823304
>Because Corsola is fucking worthless as a rock mon
It shits over normal, fire, flying and poison better than Sudo ever could. It can even surprise kill other ground and rock types without using dynamicpunch (lmao)

>>714758424 (OP)

>>714823548
>Sudowoodo's EQ TM
>Wasting it on Sudowoodo
Forcing a mon to be good in an easy game doesn't mean much anon. Why not give it to Gyarados so it can sweep Lurge despite its x4 weakness?
Corsola doesn't even NEED the icebeam you desperately want to focus on so much. It's just a nice bonus.

>>714823831
>Why not give it to Gyarados so it can sweep Lurge despite its x4 weakness?
Because Gyarados can't learn earthquake until gen 3 you unplayer retard

>>714823627
I'm gonna fucking barf, availability is a big factor for me and no gimmicky Corsola strats will ever come to level 33 rock slide and 120 base power moves without recoil I can't even believe I'm having this conversation

>Couldn't get a legit Mew if you didn't go to Toys R Us like 30 years ago
>Celebi was completely unobtainable for everyone outside of Japan
>You couldn't get Jirachi without an item only obtainable via an event
>Same with Arceus, Shaymin, etc. etc...
The fact that every single Pokemon game is incomplete in this way really shows you just how incompetent GameFreak is. You will literally be capable of completing a specific game's Pokedex without the use of cheats.

>>714824191
They at least gave the legit Celebi with the 3DS release.

>>714782708
Rocky is underrated, Onix is very fast for a pre-Falkner mon, it's tied with Spearow for the fastest, its defense is higher than Mewtwo's special attack and because it's a traded mon it gets boosted exp.

>>714823701
Gen 2 is the perfect example of why pandering to Genwunner Kantofags is a horrible idea

>>714824396
Too bad that the 3DS eShop is closed forever now

>>714784378
so i her--

>>714824191
jirachi never had an item requirement, colosseum bonus disc and pokemon channel were the only two ways to get it until bdsp. At least you could always get copies of those compared to timed events you have to cheat for

>>714824191
Darkrai and Shaymin were distributed over Nintendo Wifi. You can actually obtain the events and catch them legitimately today.

>>714824407
Problem is 40 base attack falls off pretty quickly if you're not gonna upgrade to Steelix.

>>714824407
Trade mons are awful in gen 2 because of how fast they outpace the badge thresholds. If you try to use it for falkner you will end up with a dud that ignores you every other turn.

>>714824136
Oh well. Give it to any other better thing that can use it that you somehow disqualified.
>>714824139
>gimmicky Corsola strats
You mean spamming Surf and recovering lost health when tanking normal, fire, poison and flying? Hardly gimmicky anon
>120 base power moves without recoil
Huh?

>>714824675
What you're describing can be better done by any sweeper and I really doubt Sudowoodo's that much worse at it with its superior offense. Gonna need more than a 65 base power surf and a recovery move (worse than an item because no priority) to convince me going out of your way to catch a fucking Corsola, whereas the game gives you a free Sudowoodo every time and much better water type options, hell, some better rock type options than Sudo. Corsola is cute but it's a tremendous waste of time for something really underwhelming and gimmicky anon.

>Huh?
I was thinking of Gen 4 for a moment there, where Sudowoodo gets Double Edge and Woodhammer with no recoil, but even if we go by Gen 2 standards, Sudowoodo gets Rock Slide by level 28 so it's even more dire for Corsola.

>>714825403
>worse than an item because no priority
yeah ok I've had enough arguing with you retards, I won't read the rest.
I went from explaining why Gyarados is a popular static mon compared to Sudowoodo due to its sheer BST and versatility and not being ruined by 30 base speed to nitpicking if Corsola of all things can be better than Sudowoodo.
I really don't give a shit, believe what you like.

>>714824675
You mean Rhydon and Tyranitar? The game is pretty much over by the time you get these. As far as rock moves go, by the time you can breed for rock slide onto Rhydon, you might as well just continue using the male Larvitar that you were about to breed with.

The concept of availability over stats is completely lost on you. Please, for the sake of everyone else, never post in Fire Emblem threads.

I don't want to use any Pokemon that aren't from the generation of the game that I'm playing, so it's hard to do in Gen II since 90% of the game is just Gen I Pokemon.
I just want a Murkrow before the game is over.

>>714825704
>nitpicking if Corsola of all things can be better than Sudowoodo
DON'T BLAME ME FOR YOUR CLOWN ACT NIGGER YOU ASSEMBLED THE FUCKING TENT MOTHERFUCKER kek have a good one bro.

>>714824191
>incompetent
Dumb buzzword nigga. They knew exactly what they were doing. If you want to be cynical you could say it was a ploy to sell movie tickets and get visitors to stores. To look on the lighter side it was a way to keep the games alive in an era before downloadable content. The internet and cheating devices might have ruined the surprise, but having a new secret Pokémon that the player doesn't know exists until months after they finish the game is a kino concept.

>You will literally be capable of completing a specific game's Pokedex
You don't, nor have ever needed, event mons to complete the Dex. Sure there'll be a ??? listing between Mewtwo and Chikorita, but it's not necessary to get the diploma and other rewards.

>>714825897
bug contest isn't particularly hard to win, just dump all your park balls on a scyther

>>714825878
I mean anything, the Sandshrew or Wooper you can catch early, a Swinub, Nidos whatever.
>>714825878
>The concept of availability over stats is completely lost on you
It's not, you just like to dicksuck a 90 accuracy 75 base power rock move to no end for some weird reason though.
>>714826097
Cheers derailer anon, stay safe.

>>714826164
i mean i did it a couple times as a kid but the killer was the twice a week waiting period

>>714758424 (OP)
>What is a good team for this?
Who the FUCK cares about your campaign team?

>>714826164
>>714826294

What's the go to Flying type for a casual run in Crystal? Noctowl? Skarmory?
t. roleplaying noob

>>714826423
>get the fuck out of my contest scrub

>>714826608
Fearow or Crobat I'd say.

>>714826608
I usually went with xatu since if someone had to learn fly it might as well be him.

>>714826657
Unironically one of the best trainer designs, female version too

>>714826423
>>714826657
The real prize here is the 500 BST bug type. Who gives a shit about Sunflora, as far as I'm concerned you can keep your stupid sun stone and your stupid Caterpie that's somehow more impressive than my Scyther, I have a fucking Scyther now bitch.

quite literally everything works ingame and I can't believe "adults" are arguing about or asking questions about shit that small children beat

>>714826803
>Scyther
I don't want to use a Gen I Pokemon in a Gen II game. I'd use Scizor, but I have no friends to trade with.

>>714758424 (OP)
> go on tube
> get recommended OST video on HG / SS
> come here to make a thread on it
> literally 3rd thread on the front page

>>714827009
>OST
GSC version unironically sounds better in every possible way

>>714826994
Just use fellow godbug Heracross then, it's much easier to catch.

>>714826797
GSC has all the best sprites, truly unmatched aesthetic after 25 years of mediocrity.

>>714827228
I still vividly remember just how mind-blowing animated sprites looked in Crystal.

>>714827328
The only gen with actually proper sprite animation before they started squashing and stretching everything from emerald onward.

>>714824528

>>714827737

>>714825897
HG/SS went in a weird way about it. You can get Larvitar, Houndour, Murkrow and a few others with the Safari Zone but it takes days for the points in the Safari to rack up, thus letting you catch elusive mons. Only way to cheat it with physical hardware is fiddling with the clock with a DSi, and only with a DSi (doesn't work with any other system).

Gold's design > any other male protag from mainline games

>>714828025
how does a front ponytail work wearing a hat backwards

>stop fucking using my japanese name

>>714758424 (OP)
I used my favorite Johto Pokemon to form a team:
>Typhlosion
>Jumpluff
>Scizor
>Crobat
>Heracross
>Ampharos

>>714758424 (OP)
Always saving room for my bro

>>714824191
Mythical pokemon aren't required to complete the dex retard.

I got a shiny Pineco in Crystal last night

>>714831240
they fucking should be
did you never hear the song?

>>714812571
You could've just caught a lvl 50 magikarp, use a rare candy on it and get heart scale for ice fang

>>714771102
this
7 year olds knew to do this in 1998

>>714832228
It's like they forgot about the gameplay entirely and added easily accessible level 50 Magikarps right after the 4th gym as a quick fix for the level curve problem.

>>714826101
You didn't beat the game

>>714758424 (OP)
Just your starter if you value your time, especially in Johto where everything but the bosses are underleveled as fuck. You can use anything if you grind, which is slow and unfun in Pokemon games.

Pokemon team comp discussions are so retarded becauae they rarely consider the types you'd realistically encounter in the game. You don't need fire or grass coverage and it doesn't matter if your team is weak to ghost if you rarely encounter any ghost attacks.

give it to me straight pokefags, are scarlet/violet worth playing? honestly i didn't hate sword/shield but it was just about as bad as it could get and me still be able to stomach playing through it

>>714834105
I can't tolerate anything after 6 so you're asking the wrong place

>>714834105
no vanilla pokemon game is worth playing as an adult

>>714834159
>as an adult
does that still apply if i'm a manchild?

>>714834105
It's alright but really easy and runs abysmally on switch 1, I'd say it's worth playing if you want some mindless fun. Significantly better than swsh though

>>714826197
>you just like to dicksuck a 90 accuracy 75 base power rock move to no end for some weird reason though.
Because it's one of the best physical moves in the entire game. Its resists aren't very common, it hits hard for a physical gen 2 move, it hits the common flying type for super effective damage, and more often than not your pokemon will outspeed the opponent and get the flinch regardless of how slow the user is because enemies don't have speed IVs.

It's time to stop posting. You lost all credibility when you were called out for not knowing Gyarados couldn't learn earthquake.

>>714758424 (OP)
use the mons you like its a kids game you can beat with literally any pokemon

>>714826197
>you just like to dicksuck the best move of the best offensive type in the game for some weird reason
yeah who would ever do something like that

USE PICKACHU

>>714763018
>all of clair's dragonair can paralyze you

>>714766740
Can you even get tyranirar before beating the league

>>714835540
yes, safari zone
but it's really not worth the time and the sand fucks with your team

>>714763781
crying right now

>>714763781
Why are they all brown

>>714763781
Where is the lava room found, because it's not Blackthorn Gym.

>>714836049
gsc were the first DEI pokemon games
crystal also added the first female protag

>>714836131
it is in crystal

What is the point of pinsir

>>714758424 (OP)
IIRC my last team was Feraligatr, Jumpluff, Arcanine, Crobat... I don't remember the last two, must have been HM slaves. I remember Jumpluff being surprisingly good with some clutch Bounce paralysis.

>>714800456
It would require them to have to program home to be compatible and they don't want to be bothered. Also fissure no guard Machamp

>>714836187
No it's not. The bridges are foreign. That's Falkner's sprite too. This is clearly a ROMhack.

>>714814814
It's a whole new place with a brand new attitude

>>714817354
Basically no npcs have moves that gyarados is weak to

>>714835697
mfw running tyranitar and shedinja last time i played firered

>>714836242
He pinces.

>>714761537
>tfw you spit roast Lt Surge

>>714762424
Lorei is gonna pound your ass so hard.

>>714832968
To be fair, its a rare encounter at that level, so if you don't know to look for it, odds are you wouldn't find it.

>>714836829
giwtwm

>>714827635
they at least considered it for Ruby/Sapphire before they probably thought 386 animations would be too much work

>>714836939
>if you don't know to look for it, odds are you wouldn't find it
Funny how that applies to almost every Johtomon but Gyarados is actually worth using

>>714827769

>>714836612
Jasmine has two Magnemites with thunderbolt if you decided to go east first. Silver has the Magnemite line. Clair has a tbolt Dragonair. Lance has a thunder Dragonite. Lt. Surge has a team of electrics. Red has Pikachu.

Electrics aren't common, but there are relevant targets. There are also other bosses like Chuck, Clair, Lance, Misty, and Erika that Gyara will really struggle against if you don't teach it return.

>>714835540
You can get Larvitar from the Safari Zone after it opens

>>714771920
based sneasel poster

my favorite line keeps winning every single generation

>>714835697
Yeah not really worth it but it's fucking Tyranitar so I wanted it

Surprisingly, Pupitar is actually quite good in-game.

Yes, it's because it learns rock slide early

>>714794380
same, but for me it was you need 16 badges to get the shiny stone. johto is easily the most boring games before gen 8

>>714838886
I never bothered evolving Togetic in my HeartGold run. Having Togekiss in Johto just felt wrong.

>>714836358
fissure machamp is already solved in that transfer mons don't retain no-no moves when sent to gen 9. If it ever does become possible it'll be exclusively for sword and shield

>>714840302
Ideally, No Guard would be updated to have no effect on the accuracy of OHKO moves, but GameFreak's style of fixes is to essentially chop the hand off just to remove a splinter.

>>714761537
Winner

>>714758424 (OP)
Use the pokewalker to get kangaskhan.

>>714828025
nice calves

>>714800456
Game Freak wants people buying their new full-priced games.

>>714763781
>you're out late!

>>714840302
The 3DS VC version of RBY and GSC also made it so that any Gen I/II that gets transferred to the 3DS games gets their Hidden Ability to avoid that specific combo.

>>714845038
>you can't find phanpy or teddiursa!

>>714845141
gen 9 finally let ability patches remove HAs, all that's needed is a future game with machamp available and the combo will be able to exist, in swsh at least

Real chads shark it and use whomever they want. I like to pick 1 starter from any gen, 1 pseudo and fill in the last 3 spots with cool mons that i am liking at the time. I give them fun movesets, unconventional spreads and try out weird strats against the games ai. Leave 9ne slot open for hm slaves or whatever mon i like in my playthrough

>>714836135
Kek

>>714763781
SOVL!