Thread 714779906

>Hackers exploited a Remote Code Execution (RCE) vulnerability in Call of Duty: WWII's PC version (especially on Game Pass), allowing them to remotely control players' computers during matches—opening apps, typing in Notepad, or worse. This stems from peer-to-peer networking flaws.
What the fucking fuck

>>714779906 (OP)
good
fuck call of duty
nortubel > call of duty

>>714779906 (OP)
Anybody who does that should get capital punishment.

Have excessively harsh crimes for things like this, and have it strictly enforced.

To nobody's surprise, single player chads win again.

>>714779906 (OP)
>peer-to-peer networking
lmao

>playing COD
hmm... deserved it?

>>714779906 (OP)
Activision has been on record as not giving a fuck about the security of their games, so I don't see how this is news to you.
Just look at this post from 2023.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250217102014/https://www.cshub.com/malware/news/hackers-spread-malware-via-call-of-duty
>>714780302
The actual punishment should be for developers who sell a broken product and don't fix it. In compliance, it's the developer's duty to fix known bugs.

>>714779906 (OP)
does literally anyone even still play an old ass version of cod like that?

>>714780405
black ops 6 was pretty fun in season 0
you're playing with majority console players who have no idea how to dodge projectiles, so you could run around with the tomahawk and destroy

>>714779906 (OP)
This happened with Dark Souls 2 and 3 and they had to take down the online functionality of the games for a while to fix it.

>>714779906 (OP)
>peer-to-peer networking flaws
Hmmm... Strange specific wording around the time of SKG resurgence... I'm nooooticing...

>>714780707
delete this post

>>714780498
It just came out on gamepass so yeah. Otherwise no, not really.

>>714779906 (OP)
>set console region to Japan
>can't even connect to Xbox live on the game
What kind of cheap ass bullshit is this?

>>714780707
skullgirls?

>>714780707
peer2peer is horrible for security because the client has to trust another client. if the other end gets hacked then so does your end.

>>714780941
>if the other end gets hacked then so does your end.
Or just harden your code and force a desync when something irregular comes your way.

sux2BU
lol

>>714779906 (OP)
>these are the companies that claim that only they can keep you safe.

>>714781187
easier said than done. packet loss is natural and could trigger your code.

>>714781187
That takes a lot more data processing and that's gonna slow the game down a lot.

>>714780584
kek

>>714780394
>peer-to-peer networking
That's not the issue, retard. It's the devs coding things without proper checks leading to buffer overflows and shit.

Wasn't CoD still using literal id tech 3 quake code up until the Modern Warfare reboot in like 2019?

>playing multiplayer games on PC
>playing multiplayer CoD at all

>>714781458
There's a difference between "Well I missed 3 positional updates from this actor, guess I'll just make it interpolate stupid fast to the next point received" and "I guess it's sending me a customized string and payload of a noticeable size to this function that doesn't allow it, but I'll allow it because it overflowed, because type-checking and enforced packet limits are hard apparently.".

>>714781694
your pc is running on code from the 70s

>>714781694
they've been claiming new engine since every cod it's still quake 3 fork

>>714781843
again, easier said than done. there's a reason capcom and other AAA studios outsource their networking instead of hiring armchairs like you.

>>714781894
but win 11 just came out, idiot

>>714781758
>2012
it was already too late, holy shit

>>714781758
Xis first mxstake was playing a game from that shitty series.

>>714780941
if there's an RCE in your game then shit is gonna be fucked regardless of whether it's running on a dedicated server or not. though admittedly if you can't directly RCE a client from another client then it's more work for the hacker to try to fuck with your machine after hacking the dedicated server first. i think.

>>714781458
>>714781475
no dude, making sure there isn't injected machine code in some packet a client sends to another client is a part of making working product, regardless of whether it is "too much work" work for your computer or not. saying you don't really need to do that is like saying you don't need to make your website SQL injection proof. it's the bare minimum.
>packet loss
completely irrelevant here, packet loss isn't even allowed for anything that is vital for the netcode to work. if your computer fails to get a packet for an in game chat message or something, the server will just keep trying to send it until your client confirms it got it

>>714780275
I expected some kind of military fps but it makes sense now

cod4x literally uses a RCE to update cod4 to cod4x community mod

What is it that makes PC gamers the worst scumbags of all?

>>714779906 (OP)
SLICK timing, don't you think?
>P2P matchmaking won't work
>hackers WILL control your pc
>this is why we need to keep killing games

>>714781694
Always has, but because they've been working from its source code they've been modifying and tweaking it a little. It's a really good engine all things considered, and probably why their games always felt responsive to play even on consoles.

>>714782609
kek ut99 does that too

>>714782048
Win 11 is already closing in on four years old. And it's only running worse since then due to shit updates.

>>714782628
mostly asians and russians.

>>714782125
2010 is about when i figured we couldn't turn things around and the only way was forward and through the fire

>>714779906 (OP)
I bet this was a falseflag to make p2p look bad thus pushing for dedicated servers further.

>>714782508
Stack buffer lengths are something you should be doing correctly (or not at all akin to Rust or whatever) but you can still send games "cheated" packets like grossly incorrect values that don't cause fatal exploits like RCE but will cause weird, likely unintended stuff or even crash the game, and if you start validating whether every numeric value like this you receive in the game is within some allowed range you do slow things down. Again you can't cause RCE through these alone but it's possible you can mess other things up.

>>714779906 (OP)
False flag.

The big industry organization shills just said we cant have server executables because without constant patches we could get hacked and remotely controlled.

Days later this happens.

>>714782994
CoD devs have a history of disabling /GS

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/reference/gs-buffer-security-check?view=msvc-170

>>714782951
>>714783004
yes we all know pc players would never do anything illegal or dodgy. deys gud bois, dindu nuffin.

>>714783004
Delete this i posted the wrong image

>>714782994
>but you can still send games "cheated" packets like grossly incorrect values
Which is where the dev has to define the level of trust it'll allow between clients in that regard, otherwise there'll be desyncs + corrections required. I'm thinking back to say, MHWorld, where people can have cheated stats on gear, and every other client will just accept it.

>>714779906 (OP)
This is what #StopKillingGames wants btw
Imagine having every single online game be able to brick your pc

>>714782508
While packet loss is irrelevant for this discussion almost all game protocols are unreliable, so lost packets are just gone. That's why you need an authority, even in a p2p situation. You just use them as a source of truth, it's not a lockstep. (Some games do do that though, like RTS)

>>714779906 (OP)
Wtf now I am scared of playing multiplayer games

>>714781694
go to any cod page on tcrf and search for the finger gun
iirc it's a quake 3 thing and it has been on every single cod since the first one

>>714780302
t. retarded mexican that got hacked playing cod

>>714783462
wrong it was added in cod2 and it has a horse too
cod1 doesn't have it

t. modded cod1 and 2 for two decades

>>714782994
>likely unintended stuff or even crash the game, and if you start validating whether every numeric value like this you receive in the game
yeah i mean i feel like you still kinda have to validate all that data because that "unintended stuff" will very much be used by the playerbase to troll and cheat in our brave new world

i've played dota 2 for 13 years (allah forgive me) and i'm pretty sure the, ahem, eastern playerbase has vulnerability tested every single possible way to try and fuck with the server by this point, and continue to do so every patch. whenever valve gets lazy with that stuff, our friends in the east will find a way to spam the OnClientChangeVoiceChatVolume endpoint with an corrupted excel sheet in order to crash the server and keep their MMR points when they would otherwise lose. if they can't do that then they basically just DDoS the server instead just to troll

anyway maybe you don't need to literally validate everything but anything that can negatively affect the server can and will be used to ruin the game

>>714780302
i agree, anybody still playing CoD deserves capital punishment

>>714779906 (OP)
This is one of the most well-known problems with older CODs why the fuck did any retard not wait to see if they fixed the problem before jumping in

>>714780302
"hacking" as a hobby and an occupation is pretty much concentrated in countries like russia and china afaik, because they don't think it's illegal as long as they don't hack anything in their own country. so theres no real way to stop it except region ban any countries that refuse to enforce anti-hacking laws (i 100% would support that region ban btw)

>>714783201
its too late, now everyone knows (you) are a homosexual

>>714779906 (OP)
>be me
>cod veteran since 2007
>been through everything, hackers, ddos, RAT/RCE, and the list just goes on
>2025
>see video on sub page
>"WWII IS BACK WOOOOOAAAAH BESTGAYMEEBER!!!!!"
>hm, cringe... but why?
>talks about PC version
>ait they brought it to gamepass, cool
>host migration pops up in the video
>oh... ooooohhhnononooo
>"oh yeah i think wwii is only pvp now but it seems to be safe for now, they probably pat-"
>*hits dislike and exits video*

Never have I been so sure that an absolute shit show is literal hours from happening.

>>714784397
Any website owner worth their salt already geo-IP bans India/China/Russia for the sake of keeping traffic and hack attempts down 100-fold.

>>714784397
>because they don't think it's illegal as long as they don't hack anything in their own country
it isn't that's why they check if you have a russian keyboard in their malware and leave you alone. if you speak russian and have ransomware they will also remove it for free

>>714779906 (OP)
Ai workers would never have let this slip by

Everyone knows old CODs are subject to RCE attacks because Activision loves selling them but hates supporting them.

>>714779906 (OP)
This is why you don't play the PC version of COD games that are older than 2-3 years. They always get overrun by hackers like this.

>>714779906 (OP)
Is it true that this game and one of the newest Forza & NFS games allegedly hijack accounts of idle accounts and use your recorded playstyle as as bots for low-playercount MP sessions during times when most normies are asleep?

>>714780302
>yes goy just have people sent to jail because the software you use is buggy and shitty
how about the industry get its shit together
furthermore, this would be a non-issue if applications ran on their own separate users like in shitdroid and crapple's pissOS

>>714785219
i don't know about hijack but other games have used player names for bots yes.

>>714785219
Yes since 2022 there aren't real multiplayer gamers anymore, it's all trained bots. Real players don't exist anymore. After PUBG experimented with bots in their mobile game all other game companies started applying this too but bigger on mass scale.

>>714779906 (OP)
This is the same shit that some autistic fuck did with the old Souls games net code. It's crazy how hard /v/ laughed and joked about those videos til all the PC versions of the souls games were down for almost a year because some autistic fuck found back hack vulnerability.

One of the devs had to have something to do with this, but there is no oversight or accountability it the USA

>>714785413
>find vulnerability that nobody is using
>gets games shutdown for over a year
>gets hailed a hero
i am still impressed by the dudes sheer trolling, and still believe he should be hanged

>>714785560
*in

Google’s autocorrect was super concerned about how that sentence was going

>>714785413
red man in absolute shambles

>>714779906 (OP)
>add kernel access to anti cheat software
>give hackers more power than ever
Genius.

>>714785560
No lol the CoD code base is just so trash everyone who knew a bit about CoD knew these exploits existed since forever

>>714780302
I agree, companies should be held responsible for delivering shit like this

>>714787006
the better solution would be giving people a way to fix their piss poor handiwork

>>714783342
I don't think anyone who is interested in game preservation wants shitty p2p networking.

>>714785560
You are a fucking retard. Everyone knows these games are abandoned and broken.

>>714784397
Yep. All those free MMOs back in the day just plagued with hacking BRs and killing what chance they could have had.

It's only on the gamepass version of the games.

>>714779906 (OP)
This game was particularly doshit.

>>714779906 (OP)
I was playing modern warfare 2 (2009) on my Xbox series X and someone in my lobby did something to my console (I got a weird error message)so I can’t play the game online anymore. When I go to join a multiplayer match the game freezes at the loading screen. I’ve reset the console, tampered with settings, connected to another wi-fi, made a new account, and still I can’t play MW2 on my series X. Crazy what hackers are capable of even on consoles

>>714780302
I agree, crimes against video games should have capital punishment

>>714779906 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games is the futu-ACK

>>714780707
deleto

>>714783201
Lmao
>>714783004
Based sissy anon

>>714783004
Tsmt

Why do these incel computer nerds insist on making peoples lives worse? Why dont they just kill themselves?

>>714780302
Yes. Literally kill game developers.

>>714789874
Russians thrive on misery.

>>714784397
well then those shithole countries need to be wiped off the map for causing so much hassle to the civilized world of Europe and America

>>714780275
not ever buying your game, tranny. diIate and kill yourself

>>714787153
People do have a way to fix shit like this and have done so in the past the problem though is the company deciding to CnD projects to fix rce/broken matchmaking. The games are broken on purpose and while its not feasible to force devs to constantly update old games past their lifespan in cases like this its criminal to use ip law to keep fans from fixing those games themselves to force anyone that wants to play cod multiplayer to only be able to play the most recent entry

console chads win again

>>714785638
>>gets games shutdown for over a year
thats because from was incompetent, it took them a year to fix the issue

>>714790165
i dont think thats really necessary, just isolating them to play among themselves is punishment enough

And that is why I do not play games with matchmaking multiplayer, especially games played by third worlders.

>>714779906 (OP)
Stop it anon! You are killing our talking points against StopKillingGames! We are supposed to claim that we need videogames to be always online so we can protect people not so we can give access to their computers!!!! I'm calling Microsofts XBOX CEO right now!

>>714780302
>Anybody who does that should get capital punishment.
Agreed. P2P networking for a video game is a travesty.

>>714788034
you tried on a new 360 account?

>>714784397
I would love for region locking to become a thing

>>714790423
>in cases like this its criminal to use ip law to keep fans from fixing those games themselves to force anyone that wants to play cod multiplayer to only be able to play the most recent entry
goy, you're being extremely anti-semetic. stop now or you'll really regret it

>>714791069
I'd love for you to choke on a pike and die

>>714791108
I can't wait to be deported for my post saying maybe I shouldn't be fucked in the ass by corporations.

>>714783004
at least we know now that anon is a dirty little sissy slut

>>714782035
cause they're cheap shits?
hacking in capcom games is rampant

>>714791197
locked regioner detected

>>714780302
This guy is ready for politics and or a big ceo gig

>>714780302
>any random person when asked about literally any bad thing that has ever happened
thousands of years of civilization... for nothing!

>>714779906 (OP)
So?
You can still do it on From Soft games and nobody seems to care after they claimed to patch it despite being unpatched

Welcome to bad PC games, guys. You've already been getting REC'd since 2011

Good riddance. Activision is doing nothing about hackers in BO6 and they will do nothing about them in BO7, not only do they see nothing wrong with your game getting hacked but Microsoft(their owners) see nothing wrong with your PC getting bricked.
You quite literally get what you deserve if you still play COD.

>>714791197
sorry turd worlder, you got to go back

Curious how the Game Pass distributions of vidjas are more vulnerable. Seemingly for no viable reason. Goes to show that Game Pass and its effects have been disastrous by enabling poors to play these garbage titles, publishers to scrape by on failed releases, gimped gaymes, assets flips, unreal engine trash, horrible devs, good devs giving up, etc.

obligatory

>>714792879
can you make it smaller? I can still make out some of the names

>>714779906 (OP)
B-but corpo shills told me that vile h4x0rs can only successfully attack dedicated hosting servers because of their poor security!!! How could they haxx Official™©® servers!!1!1111!!!!!!!

>>714780584
black ops 6 was fun until you realize that almost every single map is not made for the speed of the game

>>714794356
Gee, almost as if it was made by AI and for ADHD Shipment/Nuketown zoomies at that so every single map is small as shit.

>>714780707
Stop noticing.

>>714780302
Why? Because they found a flaw in a program and the responsibility is on the developer to fix it?

Maybe ATVI should fix their shitty network stack. This has been a problem since CoD4/2007. At this point, they need to get Carmack on the line to redo his Network code.

>>714785413
And faggot From won't even fix it on PTDE on DS1, but they patch it for the remaster, as if the code is /that/ different. Lazy kikes. Fucking assholes had to take down the only version of the only game in the series I like playing online

>>714782035
Because a pajeet is their hiring manager?

>not using an unoffical server client
i keep forgetting codfags are the most retarded fanbase

>>714795162
Isn't ptde just fine with one of the community patches

>>714795725
Activision keeps taking them down though

>>714795725
can you stop being a bad goy? you're holocausting us!

>>714796141
You have to install DSCM to do it now. PTDE was perfectly playable with DSFix and watchdog, DSCM was just a nice to have because it helped getting connections to other nodes a little easier, but now you have to configure it. From doesn't care because they can push their dogshit remastered on people now. Fucking sucks man

>>714792679
Are they UWPs in Gamepass? If so you can probably execute the same code as on the Xbox version, which are also fucked.

Why are retards trying to tie this into some grand conspiracy to undermine SKG? The older CODs have been completely open and exploited for 10-15 years now.

Literally what normal individual would play call of duty ww2 when vanguard exists?

>>714779906 (OP)
How the damn hell are pretty much all old games even from almost 30 years ago still safe to play but almost all COD games prior to MWreboot seems to be extremely risky, like what the hell is going on here

>>714779906 (OP)
>Oh no guess we have to take all our servers down and save hundreds of thousands a year! Oopsie haha :)
You can't tell me this shit isn't done on purpose

>>714797505
Vanguard is even worse
>Lolifag
oh never mind, your shit taste is the least of your problems.

>>714797569
Every single one of these games more or less uses the same engine from 2003, with minimal improvements from game to game. Once it was cracked, the games started getting hacked even during the betas pre-release and Activision quite literally can't do anything due to their tech debt. Oh, but it's fine since they have their AI jannies(that do nothing but ban innocent players) and Richochet(that does quite literally nothing but install a kernel level spyware on your computer, cheaters always get around it) to stop all the problematic hackers!
What's that, your console or computer got fucked over a hacker? Must be your problem, our games are secure! No refunds btw. If you complain too much, we will ban you ourselves!

>>714798808
I don't get it, fucking Quake 3 (which the COD engine was built on) still can be played safely, how the hell does you mess up this badly

>>714799001
I just told you, hackers cracked the specific engine COD uses and since the devs never update it, hackers get to fuck with the game on day 0, during the public beta. Cold War onwards the hackers bend the game over any way they wanted and there is nothing the devs or Activision can do about. Forget about playing games even older than Cold War, that's when the danger of remote hacks are not just present but expected and Activision/Microsoft won't do jack shit about it.
COD is one of the few franchises where just firing it up is quite literally a danger to your hardware, you don't even need to get into the game, you can get fucked with the moment you connect to the central server as hackers have access to that info too.

>>714799261
Yeah but how the hell the hackers even got access to this in the first place, not even knowing about it's code should give access to all that

>>714799261
>mw2/warzone 2 unsafe
Niggers, I just want to play DMZ and they ruin that once more

This is what SKG trannies want

Enjoy your 50 year old server software with absolutely no vulnerabilities whatsoever!

>>714799538
There's plenty of old games with even private servers that are very much safe to play, in fact most are. This has nothing to do with that.

>>714780302
Activision would face no consequences.

>>714799638
No, you SKGtrannies are hackers salivating at the prospect of exploiting vulnerabilities and stealing people's credit cards

>>714799423
Modders were a problem on consoles for years, but usually never when the game was still active(ie when it was the newest one). At some point, after modding it for over a decade, they simply cracked it shortly before the release of Cold War in 2021 and since then, COD has been an open book for hackers. This is why the epidemic of cheating across every game has gotten worse over the last 5 years, not just the older games.
>>714799518
Even professional streamers and e-sports fags get killed by wallhackers and cheaters that camp under the map now. There is no way to hide the cheating epidemic on the highest level and yet Activision still does nothing but shill more and more overpriced skins. COD is rome and it is currently on it's last legs, being raided by the barbarians.

You unironically have to be the biggest cum-gargling cuck to unironically be against SKG, like unironically

>>714799538
I was going to comment on your good bait, but since you're an anime avatar you're either a tranny or a zoomie, therefore you are genuinely retarded and therefore your opinion is irrelevant.

Being able to play the game you paid for will never be a radical or contested opinion no matter how much you try gaslighting.

>>714779906 (OP)
None of this shit is new, afaik none of the pre-Modern Warfare 2019 games are safe to play online on PC.
One might've hoped with the Game Pass push that Microsoft might've given more of a shit about this and fixed it now they own the IP but this shit shows that probably not.

Oh no, not my hecking wholesome black roastie nazi simulator!

>>714779906 (OP)
Can you sue Activision if you are harmed by something like this?

>>714803956
No, Microsoft says your PC can be bricked and they won't do jack shit
>>714792306
There is probably something about it in their EULA as well, nobody reads those things. Hackers run the games now and Acitivsion can't give enough of a shit to do anything about them.

>>714804059
they shouldn't let the multiplayer available if that's the case and they do not plan to fix their things

Can someone explain how a game gives someone else on the other side of the world access to my computer? Is there no way to tell the game "anything this other guy I'm playing with does should not affect anything outside of my game folder"? I get that he's probably able to fuck the game up enough to give himself infinite health/lives or whatever, I have no control over that, but to fuck with my computer outside of the game? How?

>>714804542
You can play bots as long as you want, but none of your exotic furry pistol handgrips(yes, they are real) will transfer over, I think.
Also, it doesn't matter if you get into a match with hackers, they can remotely fry your ass the moment you connect into the central server, even from the main menu. The only way to play these games safely now is with your internet connection completely off.
>>714804845
You know all the data Activision has? Your player level, your IP, your computer data? Yeah, now hackers have that info too and they can use an exploit within the game itself to hijack your computer directly. This applies to every single COD game, as they all use the same engine, one is cracked then all of them are cracked.

>servers shut down
UHHHH
STOP.
KILLING.
GAMES.

>>714805165
Still, how is that no other games have this issue? I feels like there's a fundamental issue in the actual code of the game that gives it way too much control. And I don't even get how that's possible. And why they didn't even bothered fixing it.
But what's even weirder: fans actually have managed to do fixes for this, and instead of the developers asking for these to be put, they just ask fans to STOP doing them. Like, do they NOT want people to keep playing games? There's probably plenty of people who would pay to play the older games online.

>>714805439
technically as long the game has an offline alternatives, it's not killed.
And they can also just let people make servers like before, in fact, If I'm not misremembering, I'm pretty sure private servers did not had these issues.

>>714805462
>Still, how is that no other games have this issue?
Because the other studios actually use new engines or at least heavily update them, so hackers don't have 20 years to figure out how it works to break it into tiny pieces. Except for maybe Bethesda modders, but they don't use the mods to give your computer a RAT.
Also, Activision never ever bans cheaters to any serious capacity. Once the game is cracked and cheaters flood the servers, it never ends and the game is lost. This didn't really matter before since it only happened to older games when they moved on, but now not only does it happen on day zero before the game even launches, but they also do more than kill you unfairly or derank you, they can straight up hijack your entire Steam account or brick your computer. Activision still does nothing, I haven't heard of any other studio that shits their pants to this level while hackers run amok. It's not just technical debt, since Bethesda exists, it's how little Activision cares about every single game once it's out the door and stops making money. Other companies not only update their game engines on regular bases but also actually ban cheaters.

>>714779906 (OP)
Tell me this: Why the FUCKKKKKKKKKK is it still the default for applications running on your computer to get full access to everything your user has access to, like all files on your computer, including files from other applications like your web browser? I understand that this was the default in the 80s when nobody had the slightest clue what a secure operating system might possibly look like, but there's no excuse now.

Even if you WANT to sandbox an application, it's brittle as fuck. Even Linux has things like namespaces, SELinux and formats like Flatpak to distribute applications in a locked down format while allowing limited access if explicitly granted.

>>714803956
In the US, no way, lol. You have no rights because you having rights would infringe on the much more important rights of the billionare to fucking own you like property.
In the EU, you might have a good chance.

>>714783462
>>714783941
>Look it up
>its true, up to COD BO4 minimum, basically making it through 14 years of yearly cod slop
>2025's BO6 itself is still just using a modified quake 3 engine, just with Activision's shit on top just for the graphical upgrades
>Not ONCE Treyarch ever deviated from ID Tech 3, they've been constantly shitting out COD every 2/3 years having it essentially be the exact same game but with different weapons and maps

I already hated how lazy yearly cod slop is already and any nigger that buys this shit, but the fact that COD BO6, which is like the 23rd yearly cod in a row, might have the same 21 year old left over, is just fucking baffling to me.

>>714789863
Whats tsmt

>>714806569
but the funniest thing is that I'm pretty sure you can still play the original quake 3 safely without needing any patches

>>714781758
Fuck, I miss BitGamer

>>714806286
>Why the FUCKKKKKKKKKK is it still the default for applications running on your computer to get full access to everything your user has access to
Hi, i need all your data so then i can resell it to advertissment company and defense contractors to make money about your person. Oh btw, you already consent to it by birth, you can still live off the grid if you want to escape us, good luck!

>>714806569
It gets worse, now they cut the game in two and sell it to you over two titles over two years, Same game, no differences to the engine, you pay for game part 1 and then a year later for part 2. Full price, of course, and with brand new $25 micro transactions.
See: Modern Warfare 2022/2023(same game, MW2023 was literally going to be an expansion pack DLC) and now BO6/BO7(leaks already show it's literally the same game but with a futuristic coat of paint). To an extent, BO3 and Infinite Warfare were also pretty much the exact same games, but at least they were done by different studios who have different design philosophy and different single player stories.

>Shit on P2P networking
>While SKG proposes community servers to keep online games functional after the devs stop giving a fuck
How convenient.

>>714795087
>Why? Because they found a flaw in a program and the responsibility is on the developer to fix it?

If you find a flaw in the way a lock is created then go on to break into peoples houses to steal shit, that's still a crime Anon. Just because the retards haven't fixed the exploit doesn't give you carte blanche to use it.

>>714799929
>COD is rome and it is currently on it's last legs, being raided by the barbarians.
People are retarded and will still buy this shit yearly, just like their yearly sport slop.
I am not saying this because I am making fun of you for thinking COD would ever die, I am saying because blind consoomer niggers should be executed, specially if we are ever to see a restructuring of the videogame industry and/or another crash to set things straight again straight lmao, altho the industry going back to A/AA games would certainly get rid of faggots.

>>714780302
They wouldn't be able to if the anti-cheat wasn't kernal level.
Hacking the anti-cheat is what gives them the access.

>>714779906 (OP)
>>714785736
>kernel access to anti cheat software
I don't know much about Activision. Does the anticheat really access the caramel?
I don't know how someone can be so stupid to let a game have access to the pc's coronel.

>>714807412
Activision won't do shit, Microsoft won't do shit, police don't care. What, are you going to go after them personally like some autistic Punisher? Good luck!
>>714807468
Absolutely everybody from the old days of COD fandom bounced a long time ago, only the most docile braindead NPCs who will buy it every year are left, and the nu-fanbase that doesn't know better. And cheaters, of course, so absolutely nothing of value will be lost if anyone gets hacked, except for innocent players who want to fire up a game after years of absence, unaware of the whole thing.
The only thing worth playing is zombies and single player anyways, COD multiplayer has been dead for over a decade. If you want to play older multi titles, the ones that are actually good, I am sure you can find private clients and server lists so you don't have to deal with the cheaters and exploiters.
>>714807682
Ricochet has been in use with every COD game since Vanguard. It is the most useless kernel level anti-cheat and it has been cracked/worked around on year one, I believe, and is pretty much seen as a joke even by modern COD fanbase.

>>714806770
Yep, because it's not P2P

>>714779906 (OP)
>WWII's PC version (especially on Game Pass)
>(especially on Game Pass),
is just the game pass version, the steam version is intact but with less players

>>714808045
>Ricochet has been in use with every COD game since Vanguard
Thanks. I will make sure not to play COD games from Vanguard up to the latest goyslop.
I'm perfectly fine playing old COD vidya anyways.

>>714806286
backward compatibility would be the main reason

>>714808184
How the fuck do people play it if it's not P2P? There's a central Quake 3 server still being kept alive?

Come back home, brothers.

>>714806569
>cod bo6 as if its the 2025's cod
completely forgot that they are in cod bo7 now lmao, its fucking ridiculous when their recycled "triple A" fucking game that is technically a spin off is in its seventh fucking entry (eight entry if you count 2008s WaW which 100% should)

>>714806770
>I'm pretty sure you can still play the original quake 3 safely without needing any patches
I'd love to see that, specially in modern cod games, anyone's done that?

>>714806974
>they cut the game in two and sell it to you over two titles over two years
This has been the case since the first 10 or so entries
>2007's MW was just copy and pasted for MW2 and 3, probably future titttles too
>2008's WaW was given a coat of cold war paint and made into BO1, then a futuristic coat and made into BO2 and 3
They've always been the laziest fucking rehashes, and people who might as well eat shit and say they enjoy it are the kind that blindly waste 60-80 dollars yearly to consume liquid shit the one year the yearly cod gets to be active (Since there is literally 23 fucking COD multiplayers, any resemblence of "community" they might have is solely in the newest game, any older game either gets 100 players like at least the original popular ones, or is fully abandoned)

>>714808045
>everybody from the old days of COD fandom bounced a time ago
Get real, COD """fans""" have been at the single digit IQ kind of people in the mostly impossible to see left part of the curve bell, COD itself is literally the father of shitty 2 hour campaign games with the bottom of the barrel gameplay (shoot bad guys with guns for 2 hours, repeat yearly), and worse of all there is people that unironically praise the very obvious military propaganda ass looking "cinematic" games COD are
In fact, I don't wanna insult liquid shit drinkers, at least liquid fucking diarrhea has more nutritional value than any COD ever

>only thing worth playing is zombies and single player anyways
I agree as a 2005 Xbox kiddy, but-

>>714779906 (OP)
Online multislop games were a mistake

>>714808591
Yeah.
Lots of people running servers still too.

>>714808950
Correct me if I'm wrong but is this still not P2P? The server host is connecting P2P with all the players isn't he?

this was my 2nd fav cod and wanted to play this. why is activision so negligent?

>>714809159
All servers are P2P, the P is just used when the end user is hosting it.
A dedicated server is a server.

>>714808697
MW2 and MW3 was justified since Infinity Ward got fucked over by Activision and were unable to fix MW2. The broken ass game had to be patched with MW3, and the story was an actual conclusion to the trilogy, with no punches pulled. BO2 also gets a pass since that game genuinely was a sequel that tried to improve the formula. Everything else after, yeah, pretty much slop year after year unless you count BO3 which had jetpacks(there were actually 3 jetpack games in a row, so I guess you could pick your favorite here. They did genuinely change how the game played, but Activision milked the formula way too quickly).

Point I've been making is that Activision doesn't even hide how lazy these games are anymore and just sells half-finished games they promise to "fix" over the course of the year and then sell you part 2 a year later, just in time for part 1 to finally be "fixed". At least 7th and 8th gen games came "finished", for what that's worth and MW2 had the excuse of IW falling apart.

Also, for how cookie cutter single/multi have always been, Zombies have genuinely evolved not just between games but between individual maps too, with some innovations even bleeding into the former two so I think it's not fair to completely dismiss the games that have the Zombies mode. Not their fault that they are chained to this franchise with a gun pointed to their head, Sniper Elite Zombie Army proves you can easily just release a standalone game like this and people will buy it.
>>714808950
How active is it these days? I've been thinking of coming back to Q3.

>>714810171
I can get into a game with human players just fine (keep in mind that there are lots of servers filled with bots) even if it's not as active as the old days

>>714780302
True
kill all COD players

>>714780302
It’s Chinese/russian/turkish/south American/SEA culture to hack tho. Their government actively wants war with America so as long as the American government doesn’t do anything they will continue to get away with it. When you play an ONLINE PVP game you are basically agreeing to be hacked now, and there’s been hackers on every online game.

>>714785409
>>714785363
I wouldn't call this much of an insane theory afer accidentally stumbling upon some XboxSerieS-obsessed guys hour-long Vlog on YT doccumenting a series of suspiciously short-term bans in CoD Warzone from "AFK or Bot" mass-reports which he was recieving during periods while he wasn't playing it or when his console wasn't even turned on, and discovering that he wasn't the only person experiencing such phenomenon.

>>714780405
>playing any CoD after MW1 that isn't WaWn
Here's the real problem tho.

>>714810747
Shadow Bans have been a thing at least since Cold War, possibly since MW2019. In short, the moment you get X amount of reports on your profile, no matter for what reason, you get shadowbanned, and can only play with other shadowbanned players(mostly hackers). There is no recourse for this, Activision doesn't manually oversee this process and you will only get unbanned after a few weeks automatically ,or if you're lucky if you manually call the Activision support line and request a human janny to "speed up the process" because you were wrongly reported, and even then there is a chance that the jeet on the other line will tell you to fuck off because there is nothing he can do(read: he is too lazy and won't bother).

Mass reporting has been done by both jealous shitty players to "punish" people better than them and cheaters who mass report players with bots like you said for years. There is nothing you can do about it, if you play COD now you just accept that you can be banned, shadowbanned or proper banned, at anytime, temporarily or permanently, and there is nothing you can do about it, doesn't matter if you never did anything wrong. Of course, cheaters don't care since they will always have ways to avoid bans or simply wait them out, they have entire schedules for when they're going away and play on different accounts in the meantime until those, too, get banned.

Playing COD now is a job in and of itself with all the grinding and all the exploits you have to do just to not get into SBMM heavy lobbies anyways, if you played these games in 7th or 8th gen you would never recognize the absolute open sewer they have become now.

BTW I recommend Blame Truth on youtube if you want to see just how fucked up things are getting day by day, he's pretty much one of the last few old COD youtbers from back in the day and he's only making videos out of spite, nobody else is really reporting on this except for Nero.

>>714808697
fucking 2k word limit
>>714808045
Single player zombies is just, whatever and mostly grindy, the best out of zombies is playing it with friends and specially getting those clutch revives.

>>714810171
>MW2 and MW3
Sure Activision is greedy but not giving any fault to IW by making the player pay 180 bucks to """fix""" a game within 4 years is fucking retarded, they are just to blame, they've always been scum that knew their players would eat whatever cum they'd put in a plate.
>Conclusion to the trilogy
Maybe they could've made their bi-yearly 2 hour long campaings longer instead of making you pay for the shittiest fucking single player modes ever.
>BO2 gets a pass
No you fucking disingenuous, nostalgia filled, pink tinted glasses nigger, none of them get a fucking pass, BO2 specially over BO3 that at least tried something, is just copy and pasted shit, its all lazy fucking shit.
>Activision doesn't even hide how lazy these games are
You say yourself how fucking lazy the games are, just admit that they've been the same fucking game since 2003, they are lazy and unapologeticly fucking dogshit. Both single player and multiplayer are the most dull a fucking game gets, be it running through linear corridors in a "cinematic" 2 hour campaign shooting the same single type of standing still riflemen, or the gay as fuck multiplayer that 99% of the time is just people running in a tiny maze like map of which the "skill" is just based on who sees who first with that faggot TTK of under a second paired with the most egregious auto aim there is.

COD has always been shit, just play a better game nigger.

>>714811684
All I said that at least in 7th and 8th gen there was an excuse as to how these games were released, I didn't say you had to like them or that these games were even good. Calm down nigger, nobody is going to read your novel.

>>714779906 (OP)
Any CoD before MW19(arguably MW19 too) has been RCE hacked. They are a security hazard to play nowadays. Even on consoles they are hacked too lmao.

>>714780302
It's just a videogame bro

>>714781758
>playing multiplayer games on PC
Why would I want to play a shooter with controllers made for platformers and racing games? If I can't play a multiplayer FPS with MNK then I ain't playing it, one of the reasons why I don't play CoD. Controller aim assist is too powerful and they keep increasing the TTK so PC players has even less chance to compete.

>The devs probably knew about the RCE exploits but never bothered fixing them
This is what happens when you're lazy with your code

>>714782951
p2p is bad. You can literally get DDOSed out of a match with p2p. You can get geolocated too.

>>714783004
There is one slight issue. CoD WW2 is how old at this point?

>>714779906 (OP)
imagine still playing this trash in 2025

>>714779906 (OP)
normalfags lose again

>>714810898
Thank fuck, someone who doesn't have "nostalgia" for MW2.
Not balanced for lean.

>>714779906 (OP)
If you play any RAGE engine games online (RDR2, GTA Online), I promise you hackers have you on file and are selling you on combo lists.

Rockstar has the worst P2P security in the industry, it's the very definition of criminal negligence.

>>714780302
I want the death penalty for a lot of minute behaviors, but no one gives a shit about hacking

>>714779906 (OP)
PCkeks always seem to have oh so many vulnerabilities. Besides, whomsoever plays this garbage deserves to be hacked.

>>714779906 (OP)
Is this a problem in singeplayer? I love CoD campaigns and play them every year but I don't play multiplayer.

>>714815053
As long as you don't connect to central servers, you should be fine to play any of the three modes.
So yes, you can play the campaign, just make sure to unplug your router or ethernet cable first.

>>714780302
based and redpilled

>>714814757
>PCkeks always seem to have oh so many vulnerabilities
Meanwhile Sony has literally had like a dozen hacks and leaks where people's names, emails, passwords, card numbers, etc. were in clear sight and straight up leaked/sold.

>>714780707
Nothing to nootice here sir, it's a weather balloon.

>>714780941
Are you implying that trusting the server is somehow a good security strategy?
It doesn't matter where user data is coming from, you should never fucking trust it
>but it's my server
Your client can't tell the difference.

>>714779906 (OP)
is this really a surprise for /v/? everyone literally has know that old call of dutys are fucking rat nests of hackers literally waiting for you to connect and fuck you over

>>714781187
lmao your fatass wont even know when the payload has been delivered

>>714792306
I was blown away when Amazon's abuse team refused to take action against someone using AWS to fraudulently register accounts in my name on someone else's service and use them for phishing spam. Like isn't that your department's entire job to handle shit like this.
Like here are the IP logs, they're coming from your Amazon fleet, this is clearly one of your customers spamming me, do something.

>>714800081
>bait
When is this cope going to stop. You can't just say everyone who disagrees with you is pretending and write them off as not real. That's not going to make the problem go away.

This has been a massive issue for years but Activision gives zero fucks. Don't feel bad for pirating their games and playing them through Plutonium.

>hackers are gaslighting retarded eceleb and eceleb worshipping zoomers so that they can exploit hundreds of games and rake in millions

hackers are the ones orchestrating all this all along. I fucking kneel

>>714815958
The redpill is that nobody gives a shit about cybercrimes unless you're stupid enough to target the wrong people(for example, the government). You can fuck with joe schmoe or some nerds playing a shitty video game all you want and as long as you exercise minimum opsec, nothing will ever happen to you. Same goes for something like DDoSing, good luck trying to get the little shit that knocked you offline charged with anything, assuming you can even figure out who it was. Call the cops, they will just get pissed off at (you) for wasting their time, same with your internet provider or whoever else who could take any legal action. The hackers and script kiddies know it too, btw.

>>714816276
Underage anime avatar zoomies and trannies are the problem. Calling them out is the solution. Get fucked, shit up another thread with your outrage bait.

>>714779906 (OP)
Based if true.

>>714816457
>Calling them out is the solution.
Where did you "call them out" you literally said it was bait.
You're saying opposition doesn't exist when it clearly does.
And now you're talking about anime instead of their judgment on the video game policies.

>>714812914
because the chance you're playing against a hacker is 50% on PC instead of 0 on console thanks to a locked ecosystem

>>714807054
the funniest thing about SKG reddit tourists is that they unironically think that a bunch of boomers from EU that will pass a law specifically stating to force all devs to put in community servers for every single game ever so that nobody gets exploited

The reality is that if it ever becomes a law, companies will just force the shittiest most vulnerable servers for all of their games and hackers will use this to attack thousands of zoomer eceleb worshippers

SKG movement may be the dumbest movement ive ever seen retarded eceleb worshipping gamers push

>>714779906 (OP)
But I thought this would only happen if SKG took off? Why is it happening under the developers watch?

>>714814256
>If you play any RAGE engine games online (RDR2, GTA Online), I promise you hackers have you on file and are selling you on combo lists.
>Rockstar has the worst P2P security in the industry, it's the very definition of criminal negligence.
When RDR2 came out I really enjoyed it online (it was genuinely good in the early days before they started re-working and turbo jewing it all), then hackers came along and destroyed what little fun was left, but instead of just quitting I revved up my shitcoin wallet and went and got hacks of my own to reverse grief.

Uninstalled it almost immediately after I saw the sort of info hackers could easily access about other players. From IP's to ISP to location to account names, account details, all of your payment info, transaction history, PC details, the ability to follow users between servers and across Rockstar games as well as spoofing other peoples accounts.

How it hasn't been a massive scandal is beyond me.

>>714785413
>I BACK TRACED IT

>>714816756
>instead of 0 on console
Meanwhile 100% of console players have literal aimbot and bullet magnetism in most modern FPS games.

>>714816980
D-doesn't count

>>714816969
>How it hasn't been a massive scandal is beyond me.
Same reason nobody talks about the COD situation: Hackers have been improving their tools and methods for decades now, the companies haven't been doing the same to their software so it's an open book. Your average player is clueless and will never care about their security.

I remember getting into GTA Online on PC a couple of years ago only for some Chinese and Russian kids expose my IP and crash my system. PC gaming was a mistake

>>714780302
>Anybody who does that should get capital punishment.
I agree, fuck CoD players

i hate game devs but SKG clearly does not understand what would happen when thousands of old games are suddenly being poorly maintained by retarded devs doing it as cheaply as possible. I think the gay furfag might be right, most popular ecelebs do not understand game development or the potential downsides to this movement

>>714779906 (OP)
reminder this exploit has been widely known for years and they still added the game to Gamepass without addressing it

>>714817946
They did it on purpose because of SKG

>>714779906 (OP)
This has happened with every single CoD

>>714816969
>How it hasn't been a massive scandal is beyond me.
Precisely because it would be such a massive scandal, it would cripple and outright destroy billion dollar corporations if it were properly addressed. Not one Government or Agency around the globe seems to be willing to tackle the problem either due to corporate corruption or the fact that it's quite possible (and likely) that intelligence agencies are using similar exploits and access points. After all COD has links to the CIA and Riot to the CCP etc

It's not just Peer to Peer networked games either, if you play anything with something as simple as VOIP you're an easy target, and when companies try to sell you root kits in the name of anti-hack, they're just hacking you.

>click random threads in catalog
>instant SKG posts
wtf

>>714779906 (OP)
they're not cheating. they saw you and hunted you down while you thought no one was around

>>714816969
>Uninstalled it almost immediately after I saw the sort of info hackers could easily access about other players. From IP's to ISP to location to account names, account details, all of your payment info, transaction history, PC details, the ability to follow users between servers and across Rockstar games as well as spoofing other peoples accounts.
Is this actually true?

>>714818215
every single anti-SKG post is either a paid corporate shill or an actual homosexual ferret fucking retard like Pirate Software aka Maldavius Figtree. Yes, even trolls who try to bait are on the same level as him
No exceptions
>>714792879

>>714818513
>Is this actually true?
100%, I don't have my own screenshots on this PC, but you can easily confirm it on the steam forums, reddit, just search for discussion of it. No one does anything about it. These games shouldn't be for sale.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1174180/discussions/0/3774616115119094791/

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedDeadOnline/comments/kcikzo/can_hackers_see_the_ip_address_of_other_players/

https://www.pcgamesn.com/red-dead-redemption-2/online-twitch-hackers

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedDeadOnline/comments/1bgy44k/new_level_of_hacker/

>>714819246
Nothing will ever happen, online gaming is pretty much dead at this point. You are either forced into predatory, sanitized slop games like Overwatch/Valorant/Siege ect. or you play older games overrun with cheaters who can do whatever they want, up to and including bricking your computer. You either play single player titles exclusively or pick your poison, most normalfags don't care since they will likely never be effected. Companies will never take down those games since it will hurt their reputation and their bottom line.

It didn't have to end this way, this is the endgame of apathy towards lack of gatekeeping and never addressing the hacker issue.

>>714817834
> I think the gay furfag might be right, most popular ecelebs do not understand game development
Neither does he so his opinion is worthless.

>>714819246
I feel like such a retard for not knowing about this sort of thing.

>>714811280
>Blame Truth
This might be the guy I was mentioning from what I can remember about my last year's random drifting on YT in search of more Tomahawk spawn-rape compilation vids.

>>714783004
>implying corpos and lobbyists ever have anything worthwhile to say
Remember Sim City 4? How they went on and on that the game being always-online was necessary and they HAD to have it to make the game even hope to function, and people had to live with it? Then someone cracked the game with a second computer for local hosting to show that it was actually fucking bullshit, and like a week later the game was patched with a proper offline mode?

>>714814757
>says the Macfag who's irreplacable bartery can be exploded remotely if his overpriced netbook gets infected by one of the 10 viruses some bored autistic tranny had created to specifficaly destroy nutsacs of Apple's customer base after getting ghosted by a typical Mac user who only eats literal shit.

>>714780302
We spend too much time hunting down fraudsters and criminals and not enough time hunting down the retards they prey on

>>714820468
That was Sim City 2013, not Sim City 4

>>714818063
this sounds believable t.bh

>>714780302
Kill both hackers and nu cod players. They deserve it. Once this is done Cucktivison will commit corpo suicide

>>714814256
Well shit I guess it's a good thing I only played RDO ONCE and never more because I literally saw hackers teleporting my character the moment I played
what a damn shame, I actually liked the game
Is it safe to still play rockstar games offline? since they force their damn launchers

>>714780302
Based

>>714820873
I hate year title reboots and my inability to remember names very well.

>>714780498
Mw2 has a steady player base on steam, many even use open mics

>>714822143
isn't mw2 very risky to play though? do people just not care?

>>714779906 (OP)
>RCE
That’s what kernel level anti cheat does. The hackers just exploited the gay DRM and anti cheat”s built in malware

hasn't this been known for years and they never patched it? like, widely known?

>>714822316
>Install anti cheat to protect your game from hackers
>anti-cheat needs full access to everyone's PCs to do its job
>hackers hack anti-cheat instead
>they now have full access to everyone's PCs
Just don't give anti-cheats access to everyone's PCs???

>>714822316
i think in this case its not kernel shit but just fake updates

>>714822643
But then how will they scan all your data and sell it to big corporations and the government?

>>714779906 (OP)
isnt anti cheat supposed to stop hackers? also based hackers kek

>>714782048
The past few decades of Windows operating systems have all been built on top of the Windows NT kernel

>Initial release
>July 27, 1993; 31 years ago (as Windows NT 3.1)
>Latest release
>24H2 (10.0.26100.4484) (June 26, 2025; 11 days ago)
There's probably remnants of code from at least 1993 running on your windows computer or xbox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Windows_NT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

>>714780482
It's a good thing they got bought by Microsoft, because now everybody can just blame daddy for all of their problems (even though Activision has had these issues since forever).

>>714781758
20k isnt even a lot

>>714823943
Does that mean I can go online with a Windows NT machine and use it like a normal PC?

>billion dollar franchise for 20 years
>still doesn't have dedicated servers
How is it even possible to be this greedy?

>>714799538
Do zoomies actually think code has an expiry date? Or that jeets and ai slop are improving quality?

>>714780302
do you even work
do you even pay taxes
who is this fucking guy

>>714806286
Too complicated for your avg boomer or zoomer or brown person. And for the rest they are competent enough to not need it

>>714825735
that's like 10 levels when you're at the sewer part of the game

>>714806745
teenage sutant minja turtles

>>714784576
Online PC gayming. Not even once.

>>714779906 (OP)
LMAO get FUCKED PC vegans. Console chads win again.

>>714779906 (OP)
I love to see people who deliberately funded GaaS garbage being screwed by that cancer.

>>714825865
No not bc of that... But you can probably.get a browser that will work with it somewhere might be text only

>>714826186
Anon, you don't become a billion dollar series by giving away your commercial monopoly.

>>714827079
I dont rly remember sewers' order since its nonlinear. I just know when i had 20k it was only 2 lvls worth. So hes retarded for holding

>>714783004
this sissy unironically speaks the truth

I DON'T want to scan my face or IDcard when i watch porn

I DO want to keep products I paid for or get a refund + interest after inflation if you take it away

If you code your game like shit that is on you.

>>714795725
I'm surprised that clients like Plutonium have survived for so long even after allowing people to play with pirated copies. HMW explicitly required to own MWR and yet Acti sent a cease and desist letter not long before it went live

>>714816756
>instead of 0 on console
why lie for something you dont even use?

>>714827732
i'm ~40% through ds2 and level doesnt even cost 7k

It's not just COD and it's one of the reasons PC gaming absolutely sucks for online gaming. I have to play coop games private with my friends not just due to sus shit like them instantly reviving or them never going down or seemingly having infinite ammo, but because there's a good chance a random will hack the fucking game and give us 999999 of the games currency or exp.

Nigga, we didn't fucking ask.

>>714828048
So?

>>714779906 (OP)
SONY WON

>>714828386
and it's the same for ds1

>>714780482
You say this and then when devs point out that this sort of thinking is exactly why this stop killing games stuff is a bad idea you get defensive about it

>>714828614
Are you agreeing with me? Pretty dumb to hold like 3+ lvls worth of souls?

>>714828792
dude sewers is like fucking 3rd area of the game

>>714779906 (OP)
This is what happens when you replace all your code monkeys with pajeets who faked their credentials

>>714828841
I still dont know what point youre trying to make im just gonna ignore you i guess