Thread 714792701

It seems impossible now to get a good game from this setting despite it being the godfather of all fantasy in existence.

>>714792701 (OP)
I think they just hold onto the Lord of the Rings rights too tightly, and that'll mean everyone forgets about them. More people will remember Baldur's Gate 3 than Lord of the Rings, because BG3 is newer.

>>714792701 (OP)
Because they arent copying the movies. There has not been 1 good original LOTR game to exist ever. Nobody is trying to do more book accurate trilogies of games adhering to all the events and characters the films missed, or a game in the First Age or even trying to do their own thing with some land or people mentioned once in passing. The creativity or even love for Tolkiens world is gone.

>>714795513
>There has not been 1 good original LOTR game to exist ever.
arent you forgetting something?

>>714795513
Shadow of Mordor/War and Battle for Middle Earth exist.

Are they still making another mmo or did that get shitcanned with all the other slop recently?

>>714795513
The One Ring RPG is /tg/ approved. Some anons went as far as to say that it blows away D&Done out of the water, and the writers put great care to adhere to the both the canon of the books but also filling the gaps that might leave for the players to enjoy. It was a success in Kickstarter and the has released various modules and accessories, including for single-player. So it IS possible to have a cool RPG based on the Lord of the Rings. Real problem modern videogame studios are all crap; you will need to assemble an indie-like team to do something decent with the setting that isn't just another Shadow of Mordor ubisoftslop.

>>714795596
A good game but its aesthetic and the units is defined by the Jackson movies. Which is not bad but its nestled inbetween the hype remaining from that trilogy.
>>714795807
>Shadow of Mordor/War
Pic related and fuck off.

>>714795807
All of these games are based on the Jackson films

>>714796276
>it blows away D&Done out of the water
that's not much of feat when every system can't beat the slop that WOTC put out

>>714796289
>given examples
>NO THOSE DON't COUNT

>>714792701 (OP)
Probably because it’s actually a pretty boring setting. Magic is extremely rare, there’s only like 5 Wizards in the entire world. It’s basically low fantasy by modern standards.

LotR stole 90% of its lore from legitimate English myth

They added one thing. Magic ring. That’s it.

>>714796697
>stole
fuck off, jeet

>>714796697
Putting all those myths into one world has to count for something though, no one else did it

>>714796792
Please cite the “unstolen” part so I can make you look like the nigger you are

>>714792701 (OP)
On the contrary. Return to Moria is actually pretty great. If you have friends.

>>714796393
Yeah, it doesn't take much to be better than modern D&D. But the One Ring seems to stand on its own merits. The art/maps alone are extremely evocative, unlike modern RPGs and their clown style. Doesn't suck up to the movies and gives liberty to the players to mess around. I would prefer to have an RPG sent in the Second Age though.

>>714796697
George "El Gordo" Martin, you have a book to finish. Go and complete it instead of shitposting on /v/.

>>714795596
Got any advice for getting started with this? It's in my RTS backlog but I'm a noob and rarely play the genre.

>>714796872
I kinda think Return to Moria would have been better if it weren't set in Middle-earth, if that makes sense.
felt like the developers were too restricted by the IP to the game's detriment in how the tech tree and eneamy verity in the game

>>714796541
it is interesting because it doesnt have boring wizards

>>714796524
You have the reading comprehension and mental faculties of a third worlder. I said:
>”There has not been 1 good original LOTR game to exist ever.”
The WB games might be original but they sure as fuck aren’t good.

it would be extremely simple to just make a First Age action RPG game where you play as some elf going around fighting Morgoth's creatures and die at the Fall of Gondolin or some other dramatic conflict

War in the North was a good game and addressed why you can't take the eagles to Mordor

>>714798701
The power levels would be immense.

>>714797329
I beat it when I was 12, you'll be fine

Warcraft 3 had some good custom games.

Lotro is probably the best wow clone

>>714792701 (OP)
You just need a developer team with no women in it, you'd be surprised at the results.

>>714802582
Yeah. Turbine at the time were approached and given a big bag of money and told 'make it play like WoW.' Add onto that that it wasn't a movie-based license, but a book one. I keep meaning to get back into it now that they have 64-bit servers and see if the server performance is improved at all but I keep putting it off.

>>714802582
Lotro is probably the best game out there for the setting that’s still ongoing, the AC clones I don’t consider LOTR games but there really isn’t anything else. Unironically the best out there are overhaul mods from existing games
>Last days of the third age (M&B Warband)
>Third Age Total War (Medieval 2 Total war)
>Modded BFME 2
Any other game besides LOTRO is complete garbage

>>714798781
It was a nice Hack an Slash mission game and the devs made some funny interactions with the fellowship, Gandalf having an answer to every other alternative to destroying the one ring like you’re reading a forum post was peak

LotR does not make for a good game source material. It's way too rich, way too beautiful, and way too self-contained. Pretty much anything you'll do will fall way short of the source material. The movies were an absolutely insane fluke, and they still don't live up to 1% of the original material's charm.

Sometimes, some works are better left alone, they can't really be topped and don't land themselves to adaptations.

Better to make a good purpose-build new world, one that is more designed around being a game, and that does not carry around as much of a legacy to live up to.

The real question should be: why can't we get a good TES game for a change. That setting was purpose-made for games, it's genuinely great, and yet we got only one single good game out of it, 20 fucking years ago.

>>714802873
The issue is not women you sexist, BG 1, 2 and 3 had a lot of women team members and the games are considered the best DnD games out there.

The issue is WHAT LOTR depiction will you represent, Shadow of War made all the orcs mini hulks and created its own fanfiction, the movies you will never get the rights to copy their design and the Tolkien Estate is the most picky bullshit ever yet sell out the IP like prostitutes.

So are you going with the movies? books? Fanfiction? All come with their own headaches.

>>714805794
Nah women can't really understand what men like about LOTR so any game project about it with any women in it will inevitably fail to capture the Sovl of LOTR, our brains are just wired differently.

>>714792701 (OP)
Lord of the rings is so fucking boring. It's endless infodumps about irrelevant shit.

>>714792701 (OP)
Take a look at Warhammer, Star Wars, Star Trek, StarCraft etc etc

All just took ideas, designs, story and the fun aspects of far greater Sci Fi creations but those creations will never get games because they were never designed to be two bit sluts to be sold for kids and manchildren they’re actual worlds and unique stories that’s meant to be visualized rather than a shitty game with toddler level mechanics.

>>714806071
Tales of the Shire is a good example of this phenomenon, there was limitless potential about a game in the shire but most of the developer team are women so they churned out ugly comfyslop

>>714792701 (OP)
Because it would require a lot of work

>>714805794
DnDslop is nothing like LoTR.

>>714806071
You don't understand lotr

LOTR is cringe and always has been.

>>714806629
I never realized from the first mission to the last, three hundred years have passed just to kill off the kingdom and genocide the dunedain

>>714792701 (OP)
What did Tolkien mean by this?

>>714792701 (OP)
Why can't we just let LotR die? We all saw what they did with Star Wars.

>>714807707
How do you explain the Hobbit dwarfs and lakemen? They're all northeastern.

>>714798701
>>714800442

No, the best place for a game would be the Second Age - you have basically 2,500 years where fuck-all was written about by Tolkien.

>>714792701 (OP)
LOTR is a powerful book. You can't contrive interesting original things from a story so perfect that it overshadows every spinoff. Noone cares about Murblor Cockchafe or whoever they come up with. The only good LOTR videogames either revolve around things ancillary to the original story or have novel mechanics like Shadow of Mordor.

>>714807925
It's never going to die whether there's movies or video games or not. So long as the last white man persists 100 years from now the story will survive.

>>714796276
Buy an ad RPGs about popular existing narratives that aren't designed for gaming are all slop for man babies.

>>714807707
That isn't even true. The lakemen and the dwarfs of erebor are northeast and are good. The witchking of angmar was even further north. Isengard and Dunland are evil and further west than Gondor.

>>714792701 (OP)
>the brown lands
Is that where the US developed?

>>714792946
>More people will remember Baldur's Gate 3 than Lord of the Rings, because BG3 is newer.
Get offline you fucking dingus, everyone and their mother knows about The Lord of the Rings, fucking nobody except dweebs know about Baldur's Gate 3

>>714809176
>lakemen and the dwarfs of erebor are northeast and are good
Culturally both are west
>The witchking of angmar was even further north
an abomination and therefore a notable exception
>Isengard and Dunland are evil and further west than Gondor.
also exceptions in the grand scheme

>>714807707
Yeah, by that logic, Laketown should be entirely populated by trolls, since it's extremely evil and simple.
Also, since when is Harad complicated? And isn't Isengard further to the west than Gondor?

What a retarded fucking chart.

>>714797329
If you play the second one, download the age of the ring mod, it's really good

>>714809627
Moria is also directly north-west of Gondor, and it's a lot more evil and complicated.
Same goes for Fangorn.
In fact, Mirkwood is directly north of Gondor, and it's pretty much purely evil.

So basically... it does not work for more than half of the major locations featured in Hobbit and in LotR.

Great.

>>714809627
>Culturally both are west
That's like saying South Africa is an European nation.

>>714810143
>Moria
>it's a lot more evil and complicated
In what fucking way? Just because a Balrog decided to squat there?

>>714810332
So... you haven't read the books?

>>714810332
a balrog of morgoth

>>714807707
The men of the West are from Numenor which was west of middle earth

>>714806360
Comfyslop is exactly what a game about the shire should be

>>714810914
LOTRO's Shire looks and feels alot better than what they came up with though.

LOTR custom maps in WC3 was kino. It's just too bad there wasn't a big community for it.

>>714796697
*from The Ring of the Nibelung

>>714798781
It's one of my favourite LOTR games for actually feeling like LOTR and handling the lore in a pretty good way for a video game, but it's pretty mediocre from an actual gameplay perspective. It's practically the inverse Shadow of Mordor.

>>714797329
BFME is like one of the most casual RTS games out there. As someone who isn't into the genre that much, that was a good thing for me. If you play it on the default difficulty it is definitely one of those games you can just pick up and play and then just spam your favourite units and win.

>>714815167
The difficulty level of BFME only affects the power of the heroes, max differ does nothing when it comes to regular unit combat or enemy ai, it exists only to make sure heroes don’t solo armies.

>>714792946
>More people will remember Baldur's Gate 3 than Lord of the Rings
you are literally retarded. the LOTR books are some of the most culturally permeating pieces of literature in human history. its not going away any time soon. the movies get constant re-releases too so new generations do indeed grow up with them. BG3 is just a game