Thread 714801019

Haha

Death to Trailshit.

>>714801154
umad

that's our rean

Why'd he do it bros...

>barely any hype for the remake
skyboomer bros....

>>714801450
cs turned the series into a joke and now that cs is over not even the cs fans care anymore
trails has no fans left

>>714801450
What's the point of it? You can mod the first trilogy and make it even better already. Plus PH3 isn't involved so it's guaranteed to be a shit PC port.

>>714801019 (OP)
Why is it always young fucking teens.
Japan needs to stop trying to sell me that teenagers are the best wisest and most overpowered species of us all.

>>714801763
pretty much everyone is in their 20s in the new games to be fair

>>714801916
so...kids?

>>714802047
>HES ONLY 25 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK!!!!
jesus americans are insane

>>714802047
>literal fucking adults
>kids
Genuinely retarded.

any femanons?

>>714802126
no one gives a fuck whether the characters are fuckable or not retard
you can hardly call a bunch of early 2x "mature"

>>714802126
>>714802224
Its literally a fucking school class nigger.

>>714801019 (OP)
Friendly reminder that they tried to move on past Rean and it almost killed the series. They had to backtrack and put Rean back into the games.

>>714802458
Those posts were referring to the new trilogy. There are no school classes in it.

I can't wait to play the Sky remake. Going to try Nightmare, but there are a few fights that worry me.

>>714802376
you complained about teenagers though
now its "mature"?
you can't be that obvious about moving the goalposts

>>714802484
Rean fucking blows though. He just fucking sucks as a protagonist. Give me Lloyd, Estelle and Van any day of the week.

>>714802526
Sky FC is a cakewalk on nightmare besides one late fight.

>>714802626
Van sucks as a protagonist too, just for different reasons than Rean. The series fell off at the end of Azure and it never really recovered.

How come Ys never become as popular as Kiseki?

>>714802752
No Rean.

>>714802752
because the entire ys series only has like 3 games that are actually worth paying in it
kiseki had at least 5

>>714802810
Adol, despite having no character at all, is still miles ahead of Rean simply due to the fact that he's not a raging retard.

>>714802752
Why are Ysfags obsessed with crying in every single Trails thread?

>>714802874
Rean is more popular so your opinion and hate are irrelevant.

>play Cold Steel I and II
>interested to see where the next two games are gonna go
>they're just beat for beat remakes of the first two
nani the fuck

>>714801450
I mean it's an almost 1:1 remake so what is there to really be hyped for? If you played FC you know what to expect out of it. Still the first Falcom game I'm actually buying in years though.

qrd on the latest installment? it's the calvard arc part 2 right? is it good (story wise and gameplay)?

>>714802752
Marketing I guess? Most people have never heard of Ys.

>>714803215
calvards story is basically every criticism people have about cold steels story but amplified and the whole hybrid action gameplay system is a real mixed bag

>>714803339
Come on, there's no way the story is as worthless and disappointing in the new trilogy as it is in Cold Steel. That's just unfathomable.

>>714803339
wait van is a bad protag? there's actual haremshit too? i thought he had a one true love? and i guess fakeout deaths and dindu villains are dime a dozen?

>>714803417
it's somehow even worse which is something i didn't think falcom were actually capable of
i really wish i jumped ship after cs4 like everyone else

>terrorist
>"assassinates" the chancellor
>main cast spends the entire game talking about how they want to bring him back in time for graduation
>nobody, for one second, ever stops to mention that upon being apprehended he'd either get executed or imprisoned for life
I get it that they're kids, but come on. This is the most insultingly bad piece of writing in the entire series for me. Doesn't help that Rean's friendship with him isn't even established that well, even if you do all his bonding events.

>>714803465
van is a bad protag but not in the same way rean is, everything in cs revolves around rean but in calvard van is basically entirely irrelevant to the arc even though he has every reason to be relevant
the villains are atrociously written, they make cold steels villains look like works of literary art
theres haremshit but you don't even get the option to pick so its the worst of both worlds. either have a harem or don't but falcom are trying to have it both ways.
the games have so much filler that they make cold steel look action packed which is a fucking accomplishment.
the worldbuilding has completely dived off a clif. this is one of the things cold steel actually did fine but it's atrocious how simplistic and empty the worldbuilding of calvard is. it's like playing an entirely different series.

>>714803853
i remember cs3 was nothing but fucking filler until the last chapter, rean just went around blowing up robots for 80% of the game while the villains went 'haha... that was my plan all along...' and none of that mattered whatsoever

you're telling me calvard has worse filler than that? jesus christ

>>714804012
the latest game was literally cs3 2.0

>>714804012
>i remember cs3 was nothing but fucking filler until the last chapter
Pretty much the exact same thing as CS1. Spend the entire game jerking off in random places and it just ends all of a sudden with a cliff hanger.

>>714801019 (OP)
Rean-sama please help us! Someone keeps deleting our gacha game threads!

>>714804012
Kuro 2 is literally an entire game where absolutely fucking nothing of importance happened. Even in CS3 the final chapter had tons of plot but Kuro 2 doesn't evem have that. A literal filler game in the actual real definition of the word. It's insane that Falcom weren't buried for it and then you know what they did? They followed it up with a game where nothing happens until the finale. I just can't with this series anymore. Falcom just treat you like you're an idiot for caring about it.

>>714801450
All the Sky fans were broken by Rean's arc, the Cold Steel fans by Van's arc. The remake is to pull in newcomers who don't know any better.

Is the Northern War anime worth watching? It's got shit reviews on myanimelist, but then again most people there are retarded normalfags.

>>714804629
God no. It's a complete cash grab. The game it's advertising is even worse.

>>714804473
>They followed it up with a game where nothing happens until the finale
so just like most of trails games?

>>714804629
>All the Sky fans were broken by Rean's arc
It's understandable. I mean you go from a genuinely good trilogy, which is the absolute best in the series, to the absolute garbage that is Rean's dumpster fire of an arc.

>>714804695
Well I expected a lot more for a game that followed a literal unironic 100% filler game but that's my fault for expecting anything out of Falcom.

>>714804493
>All the Sky fans were broken by Rean's arc
It's understandable. I mean you go from a genuinely good trilogy, which is the absolute best in the series, to the absolute garbage that is Rean's dumpster fire of an arc.

>>714803150
On 3 right now and I feel that

>>714804895
True that. What's amazing is Falcom somehow managed to make the games after Cold Steel even worse. I cannot imagine why anyone still plays these garbage games from this garbage company.

Reverie any good? I don't see many people talk about that.

>>714804473
Falcom doesn't know what to do with Trails at this point. They need to finally strike gold with some other IP and branch out while they rethink everything.

>>714805646
>Falcom
>focusing on another one of their IPs or a NEW one
lmao, not happening

why are /v/ anti-falcom now?

>>714805646
It's clear no one working at Falcom has any passion for Trails anymore but Falcom also banked on it for so long that they don't really know how to make anything else. Even Ys started adopting a lot of Trails-isms and Tokyo Xanadu may aswell just be a Cold Steel spinoff. They just don't know how to make anything else.

>>714806037
I still like their 2000's games, some of their 80's and 90's games and a couple of their 2010's games but their modern output is just so soulless. I hate that I gave them my loyalty for so long and they wipe their ass with it by putting out utterly mediocre games. Falcom used to feel like the games were small but they were trying to their best to do the best they could with what they had but when you play a modern Trails or Ys game it's just they just don't give a shit.

>>714801450
>buying remakes
If I want to play Sky again I'll play the original game

>>714806478
chibishit is cringe

>>714801763
What are you talking about, this is the exception among JRPGs, adults are hypercompetent in this series. In Sky your daddy could solo the whole enemy roster

>>714805251
I haven't started it myself but I was told its best to play it as the last game since its a send off to the 3 arcs and characters.

THE STRONGEST.

>>714808195
>so ridiculously overpowered the society had to figure out a masterplan to get him out of Liberl to continue their shenanigans
So THIS is the power of dandyism.

I havent even played these games but I like lurking these threads

I just started playing this series with Daybreak. How linear are these games? I’m still only in chapter 1 looking for Melchior outside that rural town at night. So far it seems very “go from point A to point B” with little else to do otherwise. I’m assuming it opens up at some point

I love this stinky fujo so much!

>>714804629
if you want to know more about north ambria you might enjoy to see how they live since it's an interesting region but doesn't get a lot of focus in the games. as far as the story goes and its place in the overall CS plot, i think the script composition was pretty bad and the conclusion (THAT one event that keeps being mentioned in CS3 that's really important for rean's character development) is handled very poorly and barely has any screen time. the clown episode is also legitimately one of the worst things i've ever seen and they could've used those resources to have an extra episode to expand the ending instead. if they had done that i think it could've been pretty solid. as it is though, again it's very dependent on your interest in the region and even then, it's still nothing spectacular. i thought it was ok.

>>714804493
>the Cold Steel fans by Van's arc
In what way? Rean is still the most important guy in the world and stronger

>>714804895
The fuck bro? Crossbell happened before CS and it was the start of the haha haremshit, can't blame anyone for forgetting about tho, Lloyd was that pathetic

For me, it's Towa.
>>714803759
At the end of CS2 they do acknowledge that they were fooling themselves. "Bringing Crow back to graduate" was mainly a morale thing, no one thought it would literally happen. They just wanted him away from the war.

>>714801019 (OP)
The sky and crosbell games are some of my favorite jrpgs, but I've never been able to force myself to finish even just cs1, despite multiple several dozen hour attempts.

>>714802752
Not anime enough, they're starting to do that but it's a bit late now

>>714814849
The school setting is just so painful to deal with. What were they thinking?

>>714815094
>NOOO WHY AREN'T THEY BURNT OUT COLLEGE STUDENTS TALKING ABOUT STUDENT DEBT??!?

>>714803150
>>714805026
>Cold Steel 3
Haha... I guess it's time to not hold back.

>What was that?
>Instructor Rean! quick, this way!
>are those... [placeholder]!?
*Rean pulls sword out of thin air*
>Class Seven, our duty is to stop [placeholder]
*kills enemies*
>wew, they're unconscious for now, lets move!
>Reans students yell: RIGHT!!!!
*make it to destination*
>It's it's [characters name]... No it's [Characters Title]!
>Well if it isn't Class Seven!
>What are you doing here!?
>We're here for a special mission of sorts. Information I can't share with you.
>Well we'll just beat it out of you!
>CLASS SEVEN, MOVE OUT!
>RIGHT!
>Que: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APhiVB7ipfc

INFORMATION: REMOVE 40% OF ENEMIES HEALTH

*battle Over*
*Rean kneeling and panting with his students*
>No... They're too strong... I'm going to have to use... THAT.
>No Instructor Rean you can't!
>HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>Que: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r_tEhzh5X0
>Wait... is that..! [Old Class Seven name placeholder]!!!!!!
*is able to drive back the enemy like it was nothing, the same enemy Rean and kids couldn't stop*
>Well that's enough fun for today
>!?
>WAIT! WHAT IS OUROBOROS AFTER!?
>Haha... wouldn't you like to know.

>>714815186
???
Projection?

>>714814849
yeah cs1 just feels like they completely sold out in every way which makes sense why its so loved cause it feels like a checklist of every single early 2010s jrpg and anime cliche

>>714810980
All the games are linear. Even when they "open up" they're linear becuase there isn't really a reason to ever revisit places anyway unless you want to read dozens of hours of inane dialogue about what npcs are cooking for dinner that night.

>>714815186
What the hell are you going on about you freak?

>>714815186
Meds. Now.

Reminder that Lloyd jobbed to this

>>714815248
Sounds kino, true shounen slop

>>714815526
Shit's really tiresome how just about every other character you encounter is this SUPER ULTRA MEGA ELITE MASTER SORCERER FIGHTER that mops the floor with the protagonists nonstop. Do like a quarter of the people in Zemuria have superhero tier powers or what?

>>714815738
No, just the ones the game selects to be your antagonists.

>>714815248
i love you

>>714801450
there's plenty of hype you niggas just jaded

>>714810980
Generally, each chapter is devoted to one city and its surrounding environment (including small towns and wilderness areas). There will be a main plot and several side quests. As you advance the main plot, the dialogue for all the NPCs updates, typically several times per chapter. Some of the games also feature a home base area that you return to between expeditions.
The direct sequel game will then take you back through these areas again. Sometimes, the final chapter will give you the ability to navigate freely between them, other times not.

>>714815437
Ok. So I should just blitz through the story then? Is there ever a point where you’ve got to grind or is it pretty fair if you don’t just avoid fights constantly?

>>714806037
There's no coherent opinion on /v/, and even if there were you shouldn't trust it. Instead, what you see is whatever opinion the people motivated enough to participate in a thread want to project.

>>714815526
>Stay alert! In three years from now Rufus will humiliate the entire state of Crossbell on live television!

>>714817665
You don't need to grind in any of the games

>>714806037
The quality of their games has slipped a lot but I think the biggest reason is that Trails got too popular so Falcom fans can't pretend to be cool niche kids on /v/ anymore like they could 10 years ago.

My current progress is Sky + Crossbell games completed, and I'm near the end of act 1 of CS2 and I'm still enjoying my time immensely - I'm going to take a break when Sky remake is out cause I convinced 2 other friends to give the game a chance and want to start a playthrough alongside with them. It's gonna be a great time

>>714806037
Because then they don't have to play through 13~ or so games

>>714815248
>he wants the quick Reandown

Haha, guess it's time to not hold back...
>orphaned and adopted into a Noble family
>final student of a legendary swordsman
>secret son of the mysterious big bad who's actually good
>such a chad that he not only adds every woman to his ever-expanding harem but he makes all the men wet too
>his sister and her friend (who is the royal princess)'s vaginas becomes waterfalls at the sheer mention of his name
>chosen to pilot an ancient super mecha
>masters and can fully control his *psh nothin personell kid" demonic powers
>wields a tachi (a better version of a katana) and can teleport behind you
>beats one of the most powerful swordsmen in history that's hyped up in trails in the sky
>grows up to become a teacher, can romances his underage students
>just saying "haha" makes everybody drop their pants for him
>uses the power of friendship to defeat the true antagonist interdimensional hatred curse that appears at the last second
>even the protagonists of previous games hype him up
>becomes a national hero
>is technically royalty, his biological father is the reincarnation of an ancient Emperor
>breaks up budding romances between other characters that were developing in the third game because everybody sucks his dick in the fourth game
>can marry any girl of his choosing, will impregnate them with his chad thundercock
>kills himself in a noble self sacrifice with his fujobait boyfriend to break a curse but not really because the even bigger bigger villains rewrite the timeline to get the true ending
>becomes one of the strongest characters on the continent
>gets raped by a girl in a cave
>has the option to cuck Estelle away from Joshua, Tita away from Agate, Tio away from Lloyd, etc.
>tops Japanese official popularity polls, brought his franchise to the spotlight,
>made it so that the majority of the franchise's games are about him
>is the writer's favorite character, writer goes on to call the previous protagonists embarrassing

YAMETE KUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HSR mogs shitkiseki
Phainon is a better character than any kiseki character

>>714819204
Gachashit will never be videogames.

>>714801019 (OP)
As someone who thinks CS is unironically the best arc in the series I can't be bothered with Kiseki anymore. CS4 was fine for what it is but this series no longer has anything left to it beyond lazy nostalgia bait. The Sky cast and most of Crossbell's case should have been fucking culled entirely from the CS arc because they added fucking NOTHING to the game and were all by far the worst part of the 4 CS games.

>>714819204
You mean Kevin, from honkai impact 3rd?

>>714819204
https://mihoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Honkai:_Star_Rail_Development_Team_Visits_Nihon_Falcom

Haha, even the devs kneel to Falcum...

>>714801450
It looks embarrassingly bad.

>>714820301
weak bait. 3/10 at best.

>>714820448
Kneel to this.

this series needs more pole dancing

>>714804150
Nah CS1 was legit fantastic set up for the arc. Every single chapter in CS1 was a noteworthy escalation of tension of the ever brewing grander conflict while never actually getting in the way of the smaller scale stories it tries to set up. CS1 is the best game in the quadrilogy and by far the best first game of an arc. It mogs FC, Zero and Kuro 1

>>714820579
You quite literally cannot think of a single counter argument to what I said. What purpose did any of the Sky or Crossbell characters serve to the plot of the CS arc? The answer is absolutely god damn fucking nothing now sit the fuck down and never open your whore mouth again.

>>714820587
/hsrg/ is constantly posting about flopping so I'm not surprised that's your response

>>714820598
CS1 would be perfect if Alisa was not there

CS3 is dogshit. Worst kiseki game (never played Kuro 2)

>>714820786
82% down despite releasing one flagship game in Japan and several major titles worldwide. How do we cope with this terrible decline?

>>714820890
By letting them die, their last 2 kiseki games have been bad

>>714820890
I'm coping quite well considering I'm still in CS2 and still have 6 games or so to go and I've been enjoying my time very much

>>714803759
The forgiveness of war criminals in the cold steel arc is astoundingly stupid

>>714820970
this

>>714820795
I will never understand why Japs love Alisa so much. She's like literally the worst heroine in the entire arc.
>CS3 is dogshit. Worst kiseki game (never played Kuro 2)
I will also never understand why CS2 gets so much shit while people constantly seem to give CS3 a free pass. You're spot on it's absolutely the worst game.

>>714820994
The best part of this post is that you haven't even gotten to the bottomless pit of despair that is CS3 and onward, and you're STILL simping out for Falcom. You deserve the hundreds of hours of absolute garbage that are to come. Enjoy.

>>714803417
The protagonist and overall setting are much much better. Darker tone and better written sidequests in general. No forced school shit besides a bit in the 2nd game (more akin to how Sky had a school chapter). You're talking to a Reanfag probably.

Honestly Kiseki should have ended with the Cold Steel arc or maybe 1 final arc afterwards that wasn't Kuro.

>>714821139
Agree

>>714820890
>its annual targets remain unchanged

>>714821107
>everyone who disagrees with me is a Reanfag despite Kuro being the worst arc in the series being by far the most common opinion
Always love when you see a schizo seeing a boogieman in anyone who disagrees with him.

>>714821237
Reality won't be so kind. All they have to bank on is a terrible remake that no one wants. This will Falcom's worst year in a long time.

>>714821103
It could suck or maybe not, but I haven't gotten there yet and as I said, I've been enjoying everything so far. Sorry that I can't bring myself to care about the company's revenue

>>714821326
Do you understand how accounting works? I don't have any inside information one way or another, but company guidance is generally in the ballpark of accurate.

falcum has basically zero debt

They could ship 10 years of flops and be fine

>>714821336
Nor can you bring yourself to learn even basic critical thinking. I can tell you love Hyperdimension Neptunia and Atelier.

>>714821139
cold shit is garbage, kiseki should've ended with sky

>>714821246
Unironically I dunno any Sky/Crossbell fans who consider Kuro a step back from Sen. It's a really weird subsect of Cold Steel fags with an inferiority complex afraid of CS being widely recognized as the worst written arc with the worst cast (which it undoubtedly is and it's not even close).

>>714821398
I understand that they're having the worst year they've had in decades and that they only have a single title coming out in this window, and it looks like an incredibly ugly Sega Dreamcast game and is a remake of one of the most dull JRPGs ever made that is something one suffers through to get to the second half, which won't be out until next year. Your cope levels are reaching new heights.

Is the remake a good entry to the series?

>>714821437
Roido erasure...

>>714821448
This thread is literally full of people saying that. Oh right but those are ALL Reanfags right? Life must be very convenient you when you can make up a schizo narrative for any situation you don't like.

>>714821519
You think they're lying to their shareholders, then? It's a bold move to be sure.

>>714821596
>postcount = real people
>/v/ = the entire fanbase

>>714821565
Nobody knows if it's just a remake or FF7R. Kondo has hinted it could be like FF7R

Additionally playing in release order helps the gameplay gradually change instead of starting with what seems to be a modification of Kai's

this series is comfort food for me. can't wait for the VS game, Remake and then Kai in january 2026.

also hajimari is the most fun to actually play

>>714821618
I think they're very delusional to be down 82% comparatively and only having one game coming out and thinking it will somehow make up for their worst fiscal year in a decade+. Not a soul on this planet is interested in this remake. They're hoping the immediate profits of a worldwide release will boost their profits on paper short-term, but it won't. You're witnessing a major decline.

>>714821448
Actually, correction: these specific Senfags were already bullied for years by fans of the previous arcs, and now wanna throw the shade on Kuro so they can say "a-at least we're not as bad as the next arc, r-right?"
To do so they just straight up lie to people who rightfully dropped the series after the absolute unforgivable dogshit that was CS4 .

>>714821596
>full of people saying that
lol ok schizo

>>714821437
SC is mid and FC and 3rd are literal dog shit. Sky is the worst arc in the series and the only people who like it most are trannies and woman.

>>714821695
Sounds good I will wait for the fanbase reaction. Thank you anon

>>714821448
As a skyfag who hates cold steel, honestly kuro isn't any better aside from the core cast having actual chemistry and synergy. The writing still sucks and despite kuro 1 trying to be more mature it still fails miserably by virtue of being half assed on so many levels, that said kuro 1 was decent it's the sequels that completely killed any potential for this arc.

>>714821565
It's a super low effort game that's visually and mechanically downgraded compared to the original. If you play games to have one hand wrapped around your dick, you'll enjoy prancing around in the premium $30 costumes, but do yourself a favor and just go jerk off without the extra steps.

>>714820587
haha, at least they are staying positive

>>714821836
The cliff of quality that was Kuro 1 to Kuro 2 might be the worst I've ever seen in my gaming career

>>714821690
>>714821762
The Kuro games reviewed worse than any other games but let me guess those don't count either? So whose opinion DOES count then? Anyone who agrees with your narrative is what I'd bet the answer is. How convenient.
>lol ok schizo
You really need to acquire some self awareness you mentally ill freak.

>>714821836
>kuro isn't any better aside from the core cast having actual chemistry and synergy.
This is a fucking massive thing though. Like arguably the most important thing in an RPG. It's the difference between Cold Steel 1 and 2 being a fucking slog to me because the cast sucked, versus me enjoying Daybreak 2 where almost absolutely nothing happens because the cast is just fun to be around.

>>714821890
>downgraded
this is a troll

>>714821836
If you looked at Kuro 1 in a vacuum it would be better than the Cold Steel arc but Kuro 2 and the other one exist so you're wrong.

Rean doing stuff to Altina!

>>714818759
Opened this thread just to see if someone posted it

>>714821103
Thats the problem. I was a fan of this franchise after clearing all CS and Hajimeri I feel it never paid off....

>tfw 60fps lock
>tfw 1080p 16:9 AR lock
>tfw AA on/off
>tfw Texture Filtering max 4x
>tfw breaks when unlocking fps

its gonna happen, isn't it. its probably going to make CLE's ports look like masterpieces

>>714821970
Yeah i can see that. If you don't like the cast you'll probably hate the games as well since 95% of time you actually spend your time with them and reading dialogues.

>>714801019 (OP)
I love the series but both Daybreak games seem like a huge downgrade from the overall political/magical plot of the ColdSteel games. At least we have my wife Renne.

Who is this for? It's aesthetically hideous and technically disastrous.
https://trailsfirstchapter.com/wp-content/themes/trailsfirstchapter/assets/images/world/rolent/subarea/perzel.webp
https://trailsfirstchapter.com/world/

>>714822325
unironically a direct downgrade lol

>>714822382
Soul
>>714822325
Soulless

>>714822236
Never had a problem with the chink ports myself
t. AMD on looniix

>>714822325
Soul
>>714822382
Soul

I'd maybe buy the Sky remake if it was both FC and SC combined but FC on it's own is a legitimately terrible game and is only salvaged by barely setting up the events of SC. I say barely because 99% of FC's playtime is pointless meandering until the last hour when the game actually remembers to have a plot.

>>714822236
Seriously what the fuck is Falcom thinking? Why didn't they get PH3 to handle the PC version? They can't be that expensive.

>>714822325
>>714822382
>remake
>completely flat and devoid of detail
>original
>varied geometry and full of rich detail
I'll bet you anything that the water won't have the white foam near the edge in the remake. Anything.

>>714822504
I wouldn't say the first game is terrible but I agree. It's just like CS1, completely pointless until you finally get into the robot.

>>714822382
that's why i think whether to buy the remake or not, because i'll start nitpicking on all the changes and ultimately won't be able to enjoy the game
falcom also replaced all the og seiyuu aside from Zin and Oliever which is extremely retarded, i do like new combat tho

>>714822526
maximum penny pinching. i wonder what happens to their nisa partnership after kai

>>714822236
Why are you expecting this?

>>714822608
Even amongst the notoriously meandering first games in an arc I think FC is specifically bad. The other first games at least have some build up to the grand finale happening that makes it feel fitting but FC the game is just boring SOL adventure shit with a vague overarching objective before the end just comes out of absolutely nowhere with zero build up.

>>714822772
Falcom's doing their own port and they're notoriously incompetent. Kondo flat out said that when they made Cold Steel III in 2017, they had "maxed out" the capabilities of the PS4 Pro. It's going to be a disaster.

>>714822504
Don't forget, 2027 at the earliest for the SC remake. Most likely looking at 2028 or 2029 if this one does well.

>>714822325
>hey can you work on the farm animals. You’ve seen a cow before right?
>Uhh yeah… yeah totally…

>>714802752
Ys is pretty simple and not story driven. Not much to talk about.

I think it's safe to say that after Kiseki is done Falcom is never going to do another long running interconnected series again. They're making Kiseki on pure sunk cost at this point.

>>714802752
They're both kinda niche.
Ys is at least mechanically interesting. My biggest gripe with Kiseki is that there's so much bland f2p MMO material space between the notes of fun. In a way, it inflates those notes into something a lot more golden than it ought to be, but it's not enough to warrant the 300 hours of cs.
The moment when Rean threatens Ashe because he hears him talking shit about his sister is genuinely hilarious only because it's taken in the context of Rean being a wet blanket for the last 3 games.

>>714822868
The funny part is durante and his team were willing to help, but falcom never contacted them.

>>714822925
Haha, Falcom employees have seen real-life animals before...

>>714822971
>Ys is at least mechanically interesting.
No it isn't lmao, it's one of the most utterly braindead action rpgs out there.

>>714822985
Is he ok?

>>714822985
>Kondo-san! how do we rig a foxes legs?
>I don't know *raughs* just figure it out

>>714822803
There's plenty of build up. You're just forgetting it. This is a common effect when recalling fiction.

>>714822772
because i have zero faith in falcoms ability to cater the port to the pc community in the way we have been used to. i want to be wrong, but its hard to believe. my copium is that they have been so amazed with durantes work on mutliplayer for ys that they started to look at his work about how a good fully featured pc port is done

>>714802752
Ys was more popular than kiseki at one point.
Kiseki took off with Cold steel and i guess sky pc port, but from what i know despite FC selling a lot on steam, less than 50% who bought it played or finished it.

>>714823049
He's in a kiseki game where 5 people tops have died unnatural deaths in 6~ years. He'll be fine.

>>714822930
I want to talk about how much I hate that you need to beat Origins and Oath like 8 times to actually complete anything and the games have no actual real replay value.

>>714822803
FC has the best character building and foreshadowing of any first game in the series beside Daybreak, and the best pacing.

>>714822930
Ys became kisekified starting with celceta.
Ys X had atrocious pacing and bland characters, Ys8 at least had a banger soundtrack and memorable cast.

It's not just Falcom, but a ton Japanese games suffer from this where they simply refuse to kill off people. Why is this?

Seeing that Reverie is on sale, is it worth playing if I really liked the Crossbell games and cast? I heard that Lloyd's route is the worst in the game, but is it really that bad?
CS4 was such a shit game that I ended up dropping the series, but I might force myself to finish it if Reverie is decent enough.

>>714822325
I like the remake aesthetic in general but what the fuck is that cow model? Looks like it fused halfway with a horse.

>>714823217
That's a humorous jest anon. Now try forming an opinion without the blatant rose tinted glasses.

>>714823273
It's an okay game, just play it. It's not one of the best but it's not terrible either. Lapis a cute btw.

>>714823273
Basically the generally agreed upon route quality is C > Rean > Lloyd. Lloyd's route's problem is that he doesn't really do anything since the bulk of the plot revolves around C and Rean. Lloyd and the gang are kind of just there.

>>714823242
they brought everyone you killed in kuro 1 (aside from Gerard) back in kai...

>>714823026
The one with the giant rolling centipede that you have to knock the individual segments off of was kinda fun.

It sure as fuck beats "JRPG where you have to use every character we've ever written, plus guest characters and slow as fuck gundam fights."

>>714823273
>I heard that Lloyd's route is the worst in the game, but is it really that bad?
The game opens in crossbell, and within 30 minutes the biggest character assassination to Lloyd happens immediately, which also results in the re-annexation of crossbell at the same time. Yes, it happened _again_.

for a crosscuck, it's easily the worst thing falcom could ever do to you

The Erebonian Civil War has to be the most pathetic war I've seen portrayed in a video game. Just that market owner from Celdic dies, right? And everyone acts like it's the end of the world when it happens lel.

>>714823506
Market Manager Otto........................................................................ no..................................

>>714823568
ABSOLVTE KINO!!!!

>>714823273
I liked it cause it had probably the best pacing of any of the games. They cut out all the side quests and just made a nice 40 hour long plot that slowly but constantly escalates and the gimmick of the routes made sense and kept things fresh. The writing wasn't amazing but it was fine enough. Lots of variety in the side content but it's not time gated and it's all optional so you can do it whenever you feel like.

>>714823328
It's the shortest of the first games by far, and the one where shit actually happens every chapter with constant meaningful character moments. Also way more buildup and a grander finale (and more impactful ending) compared to something like CS1. Sometimes I wonder if I'm even playing the same games as you faggots.
Then again, when you say shit like
>the notoriously meandering first games
I wonder why you even play this series when the slow burn and worlbuilding is half of the whole appeal.

>>714823568
lel

>>714802484
Why do those slant eyed yellow niggers have shit taste in jrpg protagonists?

>>714823217
Bro Sky's character writing is as generic and trope filled as Cold Steel's. There is no character building there because every single character with the singular exception of Olivier has the depth of a cardboard cutout. You faggots have not played the game in years and it shows. Sky does not have good character writing. Like at all.

>>714802752
Ys tried becoming more like Kiseki between the party system and longer stories. It doesn't work.

>>714823273
The Crossbell stuff in it is pretty bad but it's worth playing for the C route and to lead you into Daybreak which may actually renew some of your interest in the series. Reverie itself has a lot of stupid shit but nowhere near as bad as CS4

>>714823273
Reverie is fun as fuck.

It commited a huge sin though - it cut scarlet tits to less than half her CS size

>>714823642
Now you're just straight up lying.

>>714823642
Kekua is so pretty...

Why falcom refuses to do anything with Van after Kuro 1? Falcom even thinks the reason he's not getting more popular is because he's old...

>>714823568
Would it kill Falcom to hire some GOOD animators? They've always sucked at 3D animation.

Should just go back to sprites, at least they're good at making those jump and spin around.

>>714823642
I think CS1 is the one I hate the most of all the games because of the meaningless highschool shit without much else happening.

>>714823506
>hype up a civil war in erebonia for like 4 games
>finally happens
>90% of it happens off screen and the worst thing that happens is a guy "burns down a village" but only actually destroys one building and kills one guy
>plot is just about a bunch of high school kids getting their terrorist friend to come back to school with them
i think thats when i really knew this series was just never going to deliver

>>714823681
I played both the Sky games and Cold Steel in the same year, 2023. Most of CS's cast genuinely sucks dick in comparison to Sky's or any other arc's. Your taste is simply bad.

>>714823775
What the fuck is wrong with his leg?

>>714823723
The only thing stopping Ys from working as a more long form and story driven JRPG is how basic and lacking in depth it's customization is. Give Ys the orbmant system of Kiseki and the longer games would be way more tolerable.

>>714823775
They tied too many important mysteries to him so he can't do anything until the final game of the arc. But they keep pushing that final game back further and further.

>>714823898
the demon inside him ruined his body

>>714823480
sex

>>714823775
They should at least let me transform into the Grendel whenever I want instead of like 4 times during each of the first Daybreak games.

>>714823776
its what they started doing with reverie. they have upped their game considerably, and sky animations looks like the biggest next step. the problem is its always about 5minutes of a 70h game though lol, the rest is just standing around

>>714823978
They do in the third game haha..... but you only unlock it in the second half........

>>714823978
mare-chan won't allow that to used willy nilly because *unintelligible*

>>714823642
>Sometimes I wonder if I'm even playing the same games as you faggots.
This is a really common thing in amateur criticism of all fiction. People get basic details wrong, ignore (obvious) authorial intent, describe things extremely reductively, treat one flaw as fatal to the entire work, etc.
(Or maybe they're just trolling)
Best just to focus on the people who seem to have a clue. I have enough negativity in my life.

>>714824029
epic

>>714823872
Sky's cast is literally just as one note and generic as Cold Steels but literally even worse because at the very least Cold Steel's characters actually interact with people outside of the main party and feel like they exist outside of their thinly connected relevance to the main plot having their own hobbies and relations. If you aren't a nostalgia cuck you're a contrarian who wants to appear cool for liking the older games.

>>714802484
Wait, you mean to tell me that a protagonist from a past Trails game appears as a guest in the subsequent series? Wow, Falcom must really be desperate.

>>714824029
>but you only unlock it in the second half
you unlock it in Van route 1 afaik which is after the prologue

>>714824234
reanfags never played a trails game before cold steel so they think estelle and lloyd are cs4 characters

Haven't started the Daybreak games yet, but is the Society's grand master plan ever revealed or are they dismantled at long last? I'm getting the feeling that there's no way Falcom can make their end goal seem worthwhile after all these games.

>>714824292
I really hope you're aware of the irony of your post here buddy

>>714824354
>Society's grand master plan ever revealed
lol no

>>714824354
They put her on the cover of the games TWICE and BOTH FUCKING TIMES she showed up for 5 minutes. I don't think Falcom even know what the fuck they're doing with her and they've had 20 years.

>>714824354
>Society's grand master plan ever revealed
In kai there is an optional scene where it's somewhat revealed, but the machinations behind it and how/why they did it are largely unknown

it doesnt change much

>>714824456
What matters is that she is a cute anime girl

>>714824354
haha....

>>714824354
You get some hints in the 3rd Calvard game, but in Daybreak 1 and 2 ouroboros is barely involved outside of Harwood and Walter being Van's bros. Also Lucrezia...

>>714824354
>no way Falcom can make their end goal seem worthwhile after all these games.
I think this is the major problem of the series. They just built this series up way too much. No matter what they do now it can't possibly be satisfying and make 1000+ hours of games worth it. There is going to be such an enormous shitstorm when this series finally ends.

Vanbros...

the eternal ejaculation plan...

Kiseki would have been better if it was like Atelier with every arc being a completely self contained story with zero connections to the other arcs beyond the slight fanservicey cameo here and there.

>>714824354
fufu, wouldn't you like to know?

>>714824635
The vast majority of the content in these games is character and setting development. The overarching metaphysics is an interesting mystery, but it's not a compelling reason on its own to play the series.

Funny how much everything changed. In 2015 you couldn't say a bad word about this series. It was a JRPG masterpiece, the magnum opus of the genre, a master class in worldbuilding etc etc but in 2025 you can barely find one person to say a single good thing about Trails kek.

>>714824354
Nope. There's just enough hints going on that you can make a reasonable guess but that's all. It's far better if you play these games for anything other than the overarching story.

>>714824165
>you're a contrarian who wants to appear cool for liking the older games.
No, because I like Kuro's cast way more than Cold Steel's too.
You're not wrong about CS's characters having a more obvious "life" outside of the plot, but this is really only possible thanks to CS1 spending an entire game without much happening, where they're just living a mundane life, and that doesn't really make them super interesting by itself. Characters like Eliott and Gaius legitimately get fucking nothing over FIVE GAMES. More importantly, though most of them get some level of personal growth, they seriously lack good interactions with each other, which every other arc has.
It's hard to articulate why it is but I could not fuck with the CS1/2 cast whatsoever. the new class VII in 3 was better and I liked their relationship with Rean, but their potential kinda ends up drowned out by the 50 other characters CS4 just had to include.

>>714824951
I enjoy it a lot but I understand its flaws.

>>714824951
Cold steel 3 and 4 killed the series
Daybreak is just a walking corpse

you better remember the 31 cypress trees

>>714823775
I wanna suck his cock

>>714824951
Even the people who seethed about Cold Steel held hope that Kuro would save it. It did not.

>>714824951
CS4 happened.

>>714824951
most of the series was still unlocalized back then so it was like a sekrit club
as soon as kiseki was entirely localized it suddenly became the worst trash ever

>>714825159
CS4 is the best CS game

>>714825221
I agree

>>714825078
This. Trails is my comfort series. It's nowhere even close to being a 10/10 by any metric even in its best days but it's just so easy to get lost in the games.

>>714825139
Agnes...

I don't get people who act like CS and Kuro are some grand drop in quality. If Sky and Crossbell are 7/10 games then CS and Kuro are 6/10. There really isn't that much difference.

>>714822985
haha...

>>714825472
YOU

>>714825123
for me its the luck rune and ragnard

why did ragnard just let a world ending event like a reset happen?

wtf is going on in this thread?

>>714825684
haha...

>>714825684
Same schizos from the /vg/ general reposting their retarded shit. Happens in every Trails thread.

>>714825684
we're solving the enigma that is the merkabah engine

>>714825028
>but this is really only possible thanks to CS1 spending an entire game without much happening
CS1 has a much better ratio of plot to SOL than FC does and also managed to flesh out it's main party. Though yes I'd agree most of them suck even with that.
>and that doesn't really make them super interesting by itself
It makes them feel more human and grounded compared to the boring generic ass JRPG arcs of Sky's casts who are all just walking cliches with nothing actually interesting to make me care about them. I will say it again, Sky ahs the worst cast in the series with no chemistry with each other beyond the few notable pairings like Estelle and Joshua because of my next point
>they seriously lack good interactions with each other, which every other arc has
What interactions? Sky's cast barely have any dialogue with each other because of how "efficient" it is there's no time for any actual interactions that don't directly progress the plot. Being longer has only been to this series benefit because it actually allows downtime. You know what my favourite parts of the CS games were? The comfy train rides where you just talk to the various different characters and gleam more about their lives and the world around them. That is the world building this series does so well and is the most lacking in the Sky games.
> the new class VII in 3 was better and I liked their relationship with Rean, but their potential kinda ends up drowned out by the 50 other characters CS4 just had to include.
This I agree with though I'll say the reason it got bogged down by character bloat was because of the devs forcing the nostalgia bait from Sky and Crossbell and not focusing on Cold Steel's actual own characters. I'll also add as an aside the character writing in general is a metric shit ton better in CS3 and 4 but nobody actually bothers to notice that because they aren't willing to actually honestly engage with it's writing. CS4 has the best bond events of the arc by far.

Being a fan of this series is a form of self harm I swear. Everything is sooooooo stretched out and so many times they will hype something up that sounds like it'll be awesome and they'll completely fumble the execution of the payoff or pay it off in the absolute dumbest most unsatisfying way they could have. Every time you get your hopes up with this series Falcom find a way to smash them. But I still play it every time it comes out. What the fuck is wrong with me.

Haha, can you tell which game was made for the PS2 and released in 2001 and which game was made for the PS5 and released in 2023?

>>714825907
crow was too strong...

>>714826128
PS2 top, PS5 bottom

>>714826128
I don't think Falcom games have ever been about muh grafix.

>>714826239
Or about muh gameplay, which is also bad in Ys.

>>714826265
Or about muh writing because the writing's bad in Ys.

I unironically greatly enjoyed Tokyo Xanadu eX+ and believe it's one of their better games.
Wish Falcom made more Xanadu series stuff.

>>714826128
Speaking of Ys X I am beyond pissed that literally the same week I bought X they announced the enhanced giga version of it that blatantly invalidates the base version.

>>714826367
It's just gonna be the same game released at full price with another copy-pasted island and a new $40 DLC bundle. You deserve to get exploited for giving them money, thoughbeit.

>>714826367
It's cool, you can buy the improved version with a 10% discount!

>>714826365
TX is the only Falcom game that I refunded. I played it for just under the 2 hours and wow it was bad. The combat was so stiff and awkward and I could tell it was just trying to be Persona 4.

>>714826365
I very much enjoyed the gameplay and RPG aspects of TX but my gods is the writing shit. The characters are so god awfully written they make CS's characters feel deep. Also the game has like 4 fake out endings

>>714826365
>>714826460
Damn you niggas have strong opinions about a game that was average as fuck, the defition of a 5/10

>I very much enjoyed the gameplay and RPG aspects of TX
It has literal Cold Steel field combat as a full combat system, lol.

Remember when Falcom had Kiryu in one of their games?

>>714826571
>action gameplay of Ys with the RPG customization of Kiseki
Yes it was kino and I want them to do it again

>>714826634
It's not remotely similar to Ys. It's Cold Steel 1 and 2 field combat as a full combat system. You're king shit eater.

>>714826671
Retard

Kuro 2 act 3 was the most retarded non-stop wild ride in the series, i ended up actually liking it haha

>>714826697
You're the one finding a game that has another game's field attacks as a full combat system "kino." You think Pyss and Failsfags are shit eaters? You're a microorganism that eats the shit of the shit eaters.

>>714826856
You've never played Ys and you've never played CS and you are a nigger.

>>714826791
It wasn't "so bad it's good". It was just shit. Not everything that is bad is some ironically good thing. I'm not expecting masterpiece level writing from anime JRPGs but this is just the developers not even trying.

>>714826894
Wrong on all counts. You're a shitception faggot.

>>714801019 (OP)
/vrpg/ getting completely flooded with Rean threads right after being created was like the funniest 4chan thing in the last 5 years

>>714804493
im going to play it because i had always wanted to enter the series, but playing 12 rpgs...maybe a little too much.

>>714826902
>It wasn't "so bad it's good"
well it felt like that to me

>>714826791
This was the best part.

>>714826952
I might play it cause I tried FC and it was incredibly boring but I enjoyed the Cold Steel games a lot and the biggest reason was how awful the gameplay was in FC so I'm hoping the remake combat will be closer to CS than how it was originally.

Is Reverie the Sky 3 of Cold Steel?

>>714802752
Personally i have only played Ys, also people don’t play at much Ys because they see those huge number besides the tittle and say “danm I have to play 9 games before this?, fuck it” which is not true but try to tell that to the zoomers

>>714827149
Yes, but also for the Crossbell games.

>>714827149
In many ways, yes. But it's not just a dungeon crawler with cutscene doors

>>714827149
It's Cold Steel 5, aka ED8-5, sequel to Cold Steel 4, aka ED8-4. It's just another low effort asset flip.

>>714827149
yeah but the main plot takes place in the real world instead of the shitty alternate dimension so i liked it more even if i think the side stories in 3rd were better

>>714827254
> It's just another low effort asset flip.
So it is Sky 3, haha...

>>714827257
The only good thing about 3rd is Kevin. Everything else is edgy fanfiction.

>>714801450
>play the first game but without the soul
No

Falcom is pretty good when it comes to making 2-3 character focused chapters. But then they begin to overbloat the cast and it becomes a clown fiesta where everyone needs to say at least one line because writers are afraid of letting their character being left out... which is why we have so many "fufu"s, "haha"s and "hehe"s.
Jolda chapter was so fucking comfy, I would unironically play the whole game like that.

>>714827338
I like edgy fanfiction though

tiddies tiddies tiddies

>>714827575
Everyone: RIGHT! / YEAH! / JA!

>>714827971
booby technology

Yes, yes. We know what caused the decline of the series. The pandering to absolute braindead gooner retard monkeys like you.

>>714801019 (OP)
not gonna lie i wanked myself into a coma while playing 3 and 4 because of juna's short skirt

haha...

>>714826952
You can play the Sky games without worrying about the rest of the series.

Imagine if they remade the CS games but in the chibi style and gameplay of the Sky games.

Haha... I was really struggling to continue with CS4, but after the first act the magic is back and I'm enjoying myself again

>>714825123
>What? I'm not a criminal!

>>714828281
This but the opposite

>>714828308
Dangerously based.

That's our REAN the BEAN MEAN machine

>give Van the best harem in the series
>you can't romance any of them

>>714801019 (OP)
I have never played these games or know anything about them. Yet I've seen these Rean(?) "haha" threads on /v/ for over a decade. Can someone give me a QRD?

>>714828214
I appreciate how much effort Falcom puts into making the Kiseki character models as well done and well lit as they are. Probably some of the best in the business.

>>714801019 (OP)
I'm not playing 4 games, All look nore anime than the last

>>714828595
haha...

>>714828595
haha

>>714828494
You don't understand. He's just too dangerous and broken to get close to any of them.

>>714828649
They sunk their entire animation budget into the boob physics, though. Not that I disapprove, mind.

>>714828595
Haha...

>>714828595
1000 hour long descent into madness

>>714828595
play any modern falcom game, you will understand.

>>714829334
I hate Musse so fucking much, holy shit.

>>714828863
rean would do that and that's why rean is more popular than van

>>714830192
he's still a subhuman faggot who's afraid of woman's touch tho, all his romance picks aren't canon

>>714828863
Van btfo damn

Cold Steel is just Code Geass if it went on for 10 seasons and never resolved a single plot point

>>714829382
>>714829334
>Predicts the entirety of Cold Steel's plot and figures out the existence of the curse
>Somehow manages to do this entirely by herself while she was trapped in her girl's school, something that none of the main characters or side characters were able to figure out despite being directly involved
>Cucks Olivert out of his position as the main opposition to Osbourne
Haha... That's our Musse...

The curse is the dumbest fucking plot element and retroactively makes the entire CS saga dogshit.

>>714824951
I got series fatgue after Cold Steel 4. I could stomach Revevire longer than 4 hours and I dropped Daybreak after 10.
I have to admit though I had waaay more free time to dump into 60+ hour JRPGs back in 2017.

>>714831534
Probably THE worst written characters in the series.

>>714801563
more like Van & co killed the series
I bought every trails game at release including first Daybreak but it was so shit that I've pirated second game and this was giga right decision because its even worse than first game. Guess what I will do to Kai? And yes, I still gonna play it because of sunk cost.

Do Tita and Agate ever get together?

>>714832358
I think the deal was he gets to fuck Tita's mom until Tita comes of age

>>714832554
>forced to stick his dick in crazy
RIP Agato.

>>714832274
i quit buying that crap after cs1

>>714825028
>Renne gets a new design basically every game
>Joshua and Estelle are stuck in their Sky 3rd clothes forever

It's funny how cool they try to make Van look and then completely undermine it at the end of not only Daybreak 1, but Daybreak 2 as well. Yeah dude we get it, we already dealt with a guy who's unsure of himself, has constant doubts, is afraid to hurt the people he loves, and has a super strong demonic power that he's worried he'll lose control of with Rean. Van is such a fucking moron, I'm glad he got bitched out by Agnes.

That said, I'm glad Van's getting a better outfit in Kai/Horizon. His stupid fucking pants and overly long coat look really bad on him. And his stun rod is lame too. I still like him for generally being a cool protagonist, but Falcom made him retarded to piss me off especially.

>>714827940
The scenes were like fifty people say "Right!" in perfect unison are peak Trails.

>>714827940
>>714834327
These specific scenes are so comically bad every time. It's funny as shit but it's also just so terrible. Everyone's just hanging out in their default combat ready animation and they lined them up like the Super Smash Bros Melee trophy room. Cast bloat is really bad in this series and they're already on their way to doing it again with Daybreak.

>>714834889
>>714834327
Haha, that's our Fails!

Haha

>>714828431
>>714828308

Best enforcer?

>>714835598
the gunlord

>McBurn
>uses fire abilities
La Creatividad

>>714837559
sir, he is actually M.C.B.U.R.N.

>>714835598
Bleublanc

>>714801019 (OP)
Only finished FC and SC, is the rest of the series worth getting into or is it going in a dumbass Star Ocean 3 type plot twist like the rumors suggest?

>>714837559
He is cool and his theme is peak, I think it translates very good how you are fighting strongest Enforcer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_aIRyUzJLg

>>714843485
We're still not sure. The Outside is still shrouded in mystery, but it's seeming more like a higher plane of reality kind of deal rather than a Matrix type thing to me.

The latest twists have been pretty cool, problem is a lot of the moment-to-moment writing has been getting weaker and much more drawn out, which you can see in the Cold Steel and Daybreak arcs taking four whole games to finish. I do recommend checking out 3rd, Zero, and Azure at least, they're paced well and are a lot of fun.

saw some h-mango about rean getting kek'd
it was aight

>>714845494
How mad will all you Kisekifags be when the series finally finishes and it turns out the Grandmaster is just a game developer and it was “just a simulation” all along?

>>714847315
I will laugh

>>714847315
*raughs*
kondom.webm

>>714847315
I'd be better than something that ends with a redemption plot.

Did you overcome that barrier standing in your way, /v/? I know you can do it.

>>714821437
Sky is the worst part of the series. Cold steel is the best. yes here i say it. Rean is a better protagonist than Estelle in every way unless you are a tranny.

>>714849004
<He> will save zemuria

>>714843485
Sky FC to Azure works as a brilliant two arc story and nothing past that has character and story arcs on that level, that personal and meaningful. Cold Steel and Daybreak just take way too long to do or say anything interesting and make the MCs past obtuse and they take way too much to reveal shit. Like, imagine that instead of learning about Joshua's past at the end of Sky FC, you had to wait until almost the end of Zero to learn. It is retarded.

>>714849260
>Sky FC to Azure works as a brilliant two arc story and nothing past that has character and story arcs on that level, that personal and meaningful.
Doesn’t Azure literally end on a cliffhanger of Crossbell getting annexed though?

>>714850356
Yeah. It does show a flashforward of them taking Crossbell back during the credits to soften the blow. But then it takes five whole games to actually get to that point.

>>714850356
Yep. So? Still a great two ars followed ny mediocrity.

>>714843485
It suffers a nosedive in quality similarly to the Persona series after 2, I mean for fucks sake just like with Persona 3 the first game in the Cold Steel series is a high school simulator and cranks up the anime cliches to 11.

>>714852952
>It suffers a nosedive in quality
I can put up with that so long as I know the overarching narrative will still be good, if it goes in some retarded meta direction of “it was all just a game all along” then no.