Thread 714816828

Damn Ubisoft is not fucking around.

How is this company not dead yet

>>714817095
Canada is actually a big part of it. Tencent bailing them out of their 1 billion+ debt is another.

>>714816828 (OP)
Sure thing, they just missed the part of returning your money back.

>>714816828 (OP)
Ok. How does this affect me?

>>714816828 (OP)
>You must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession
This is not real. There is fucking no way to enforce this. It's so stupid, no one in their right mind would write this and think they would be taken seriously.

>>714817095
huge subsidies from jewish communist freemasons in the government

no, really

>refuse to uninstall
>come home to my computer smashed

>>714817389
>SKGs be like "we must give these people more power"

Looking though my steam library, I don't think I ever bought a single ubisoft game.

Pretty sure that the only country where a EULA like that is legal is the US. Other civilized country a customer protection law that prevent abusive clause like this.

>>714816828 (OP)
But what if I just....don't destroy my physical copies? What can they even do? How can they even enforce this nonsense?
Pic unrelated.

>>714817520
Funny to bring up SKG like this in a thread about a game company flexing its power.

>>714816828 (OP)
They can terminate the EULA for any reason? What kind of contract allows one party to bail out whenever they want? What's the fucking point?

>>714817869
>How can they even enforce this nonsense?
They can't, but they can try to remotely restrict your access because the EULA supposedly allows it. That's what Nintendo does when it turns your Switch 2 into a paperweight (because 85%+ of physical games need to be installed via the Internet).

>>714816828 (OP)
Steam literally has this same eula dumb fuck

>>714818149
Well fuck steam then.

>>714817520
>SKG started because Moldman wanted to keep playing The Crew, a Ubisoft game, and deprive them of their power of shutting down games on a whim
>Ddddduuurrrrrrh SKGs be like "we must give these people more power"

not far enough, if there is any residual latent memory of an Ubisoft game lingering in your mind from either playing it or watching it or even seeing a single image of it, your brain must be completely and utterly destroyed

>>714818149
Yes anon Steam want me to destroy physical copies of games. That make perfect sense.

Name one playable Ubisoft game.

>>714818149
What? Steam termination clause seems pretty reasonable to me.

>>714818773
Asscreed 2 was pretty good.

>>714818773
Black Fag is still kino

>>714818773
Rayman Legend and Origin.

>>714818773
If Ubisoft never released a decent game people would not shit talk them all the time. Nobody would care about their antics.

>>714816828 (OP)
>You must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession

>>714818797
Literally read the bottom paragraph

>>714818075
Why'd you need them if you've installed cfw on your switch 2? Just download the roms yourself

Uhhh judge today is opposite day so I will actually be suing the plaintiff, I yield the stand

>>714817869
God Sasha had such a perfect ass

>>714816828 (OP)
>Upon termination for any reason, You must immediately uninstall the product and destroy all copies of the product in your possession
Okay, what happens if I don't?

>>714819145
It does not say for any reason.

>>714818295
You cant reason with retards anon

YES MASTER UBISOFT I WILL DESTROY IT AND BUY AC SHADOWS

>>714817869
Assuming you don't have an always online game from them like say, The Division, then nothing. If you're really paranoid, disconnect from the internet when playing your physical copies.

Hahaha what if someone went to Ubisoft offices and went from room to room killing everyone using an automatic rifle, wouldn't that be interesting? Sure hope no one does that but if they did it would surely be really interesting!

>>714817520
Based. Anons not realizing skg is just communism which is what these peolle are

>>714816828 (OP)
*pirates all your dogshit games over 100 times so you lose money*
eh heh heh heh

>>714817095
They have a branch in Canada specifically to siphon out hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars every year. Same reason why EA won't kill Bioware, that company might not have any of the original developers anymore but the fact that it was founded on Canadian soil means it lets the Ventrue Prince suck the free maple out of the Canucks.

>>714816828 (OP)
Tick tock, ubisoft. This EULA will soon be illegal :)

>>714824016
Hegel was dead for almost 100 years before communism even existed.

You just know this guy would destroy all of his Ubisoft games

>>714816828 (OP)
WHAT if i dont want ?

Damn, all these companies really mean business. Maybe we should all just give up and admit we own nothing. Might make us happier.

just
dont
buy
the
game
if
you
dont
like
their
practices

no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons

>>714818045
It’s not a contract at all, that’s how. That’s why EULAs are almost totally unenforceable in fact.

>>714826563
>no need
>just let corporations be dicks
>NO FUCKING NEED I SAID
>YOU FUCKING CHUDS REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
lol why you mad bro?

>>714819396
I hate that I also recognized her, it's so over.

>>714816828 (OP)
SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714826563
>their practices, i.e. the EULA, is kept from your sight until after you pay for + install the product

>>714818045
Illegal one, blatantly one sided contracts are forbidden I'm reasonable counties and consumer rights are inalienable precisely because companies will try to bully you into signing something saying you relinquish them. You can click agree but as far as anyone is concerned it has no legal effect, those things are just rarely tested in court.

>>714827826
>queer indie dev
and nothing of value would be lost

>>0714827826
Totally normal and organic behavior.

Every fucking EULA says this.

>>714827826
Wow, I'm going to sign it even harder!

>>714817869
Isn't it weird how all the AAA games are starting to become Always Online

>>714827826
So just release the server code.

this shit is going to flop like kony 2012

>>714827826
It's not retroactive. When you're designing the online interactions you have to test them out in an offline sandbox environment anyway. Literally just think ahead if your game requires dedicated servers then you know one day you will have to pull the plug, when you do that drop a final update that's all. If your game has a small online component and still works fine as a single player then you don't have to do anything. Why wouldn't you want your game to live even after you are long gone or have moved on?

>>714827826
Indie devs don't make live service slop

>your honor, companies are simply too evil and greedy, we cant trust them
>oh yeah? Do you have any proof?
>*presents op pic*
I feel like ubisoft is sabotaging their side, you cant do something this evil this close to such a critical moment, its like admiting you are fetus eating canibal when defending abortion rights.

>>714829040
That's actually been in their eula for years, companies all got cocky after the US established case law that eulas are enforceable contracts.

>>714816828 (OP)
WHAT DOES EULA STAND FOR?!

>>714827929
i can assure you that you can find an EULA before you buy it

>>714816828 (OP)
Corpos keep spitting on consumer rights and wonder why shit like SKG is gaining traction.

>>714829289
>companies all got cocky after the US
They got way too cocky, shit, remember when someone fucking died at disneyland because she got served food she was allergic to and then the husband couldn't properly sue due to him having a Disney+ account?

>DESTROY YOUR GAME
>NOW!!

>>714829834
what am I a fucking amateur lawyer? that's a terrible fucking argument.

>>714816828 (OP)
Like half of the clauses on your average EULA are not enforceable and sometimes outright illegal in the US and EU so who cares.

>>714829893
>if my wife dies in disneyland and it's your fault I agree to not sue
>Hmm I'll agree because I wanna watch the Pinnoccio remake with Tom Hanks...
>woah wtf my wife died and I can't sue? UNFAIR UNFAIR UNFAIR NOOO

>>714827826
jewish copypasta

>>714827826
99% of indie game are offline and don't even have the money to pay for Denuvo so they are already SKG-approved.

>>714829774
End-User License Agreement

>>714816828 (OP)
If the contract is terminated, doesn't that mean I'm under no obligation to destroy copies of the product?

>>714829912
God the art from GW1 was fucking hideous.

>>714829893
Disney actually allowed it to go to court since they realized how much bad press they were getting over it. Still didn't change their eula though.

>>714827826
>Said some fag we made up that wishes to be anonymous

>>714830674
Good bait but do you really think you can bait someone as based as a GW1 player?

>>714817095
It's actually really hard to bankrupt a company because speculative investors will bail you out

>>714816828 (OP)
This is why you pirate Ubishit games IF you really want to play one (which I wouldn't know why)

>>714818773
Siege is good if you can look past the terrible lore

>>714817095
but they're a french company

>>714817520
ok maldavius

>>714816828 (OP)
>be Ubisoft shareholder
>violate EULA
>I own a part of every copy of every Ubisoft IP
>I am now legally obligated to destroy everyone's copies of Far Cry and Ass Creed

>>714816828 (OP)
I haven't bought a Ubisoft game since AC3 on the PS3 back in like mid 2012. I'll probably never buy another game from them, how does this effect me?

>>714826563
>no need
I don't need. I want.
No need to share your opinions. Just filter SKG threads you fucking moron

>>714819742
jokes on you, there's no game in that box to break

>>714817095
tax subsidies

>>714819742
just dont destroy ac shadows because that's a hate crime (synonym to thought crime)

>>714829834
I can assure you that if a contracted person has to search for the terms of an agreement rather than having the terms presented up front, it's not a legal contract

>>714827826
>>714828904
>>714828917
Sos Sosowski frequently participated in Ludum Dare, maybe he's concerned about legal liability for jam games among others. I've made multiple online-only jam games, and though I do keep up the servers for two of them (more than 10 years after release) for three others I stopped hosting them (not like anybody would be interested anyways). For another two I used to have online high scores, but server migrations broke them and I never got around to fixing them. Perpetual maintenance would be a real pain that would discourage designs like that, similar to how online communications legislation is currently keeping developers from implementing reasonable chat/messaging options in their games.

In my case I always released the source code (server and client) so if SKG gets implemented in a reasonable way I'd be in the clear, but then again do you expect the EU to legislate this in a reasonable way? This is the same organization that gave us cookie laws which just resulted in malicious compliance, as well as the GDPR which big corporations are just ignoring (meaning the whole thing is pointless) while wasting significant resources for smaller companies (I've personally had to sift through e-mail to keep important internal communication from years ago while deleting customer requests).

>>714817361
It's there so if people try to revive or preserve it and it gets traction, they CAN threaten to ass rape them with no lube for generational debt in court over it. They agreed to uninstall and destroy it afterall, and they didn't!

>>714827826
out of curiosity i looked at https://www.stopkillinggames.com/
>1,247,508 signatures

holy shit, they actually made it? must have gotten 600k signatures in a month after taking over 10 months to get 400k

good things can actually happen

>>714831640
That's extremely illegal even under current EU law, regardless of the citizens' initiative, and I'm pretty sure Ubisoft knows that and doesn't care. Not like they're gonna be around longer while they're trying to divest all their assets into a shell company so Tencent can buy it and Ubisoft will remain as a lobotomized shell.

>>714831717
every e-celeb talked about it so yeah it got a lot of momentum, even that pewdiepie mentioned it I think
>1.25M
Sweet, the guy said 100-250k signatures might not count to it's good they got a good buffer

>>714831837
refreshed the page after 3 min and the signatures are still going up, if this continues they could easily get 1.5 million before the deadline at the end of the month

>>714816828 (OP)
>buying Ubisoft
>Anything software with EULA outside computers
>in videogames of all things
Tbqh I hope Ubisoft to win with that; retarded consumers deserve to get fucked in the ass the hardest until they learn their lesson.

>>714826563
This. Those practices would've never happened if the consumer sent the few that tried into the floplands. It's really that simple.

Wonder what the catalyst was, since not every e-celeb talked about it the rest of the year.
Was it because Gamer Nexus did an interview with the stopkillinggames-guy? Was that what made every other e-celeb talk about it?
When did pew talk about it?

>>714816828 (OP)
*pirates Ubisoft’s games*
Your sales have been…terminated…

>>714816828 (OP)
Is this the first time you read an EULA? This shit is everywhere.

>>714817361
>>714830536
This is actually a fairly standard clause in employment contracts, at least for software developers (and yes, you can absolutely get your ass sued for keeping company property after termination). But those state 'return or destroy', the latter referring to data on hard disks and such which can just be deleted from the devices, and it's a very different situation from a EULA.

>>714826563
>>714832062
>I fucking hate Ubisoft but how dare you try to impede them
Lol

>>714832267
Kinda yeah

>>714832195
It's because Jason is viscerally unlikable.

>>714831063
Siege is nothing but aim bots, wall hacks, xims, and modded controllers and thousands of dumbass teenagers who all think they're gonna make it in "e-sports"

>>714817361
Holy shit does no one read EULAs here? Not a single one? Why is everyone surprised?

>>714816828 (OP)
No, it's actually in the "finding out" stage by now.

>>714832195
P*rateNation talked about it trashing the petition which stirred some drama and controversy

>>714832318
Well, yes

>how can that shitty company get away with anything when I enabled it and gave them money?! UNFAIR

>>714818149
>>714819145
>>714832267
Losing access without a refund is standard in EULAs. Being forced to proactively destroy whatever you have in your possession is not.

>>714832374
Have you seen modern EULAs? It takes 10 minutes just to scroll down to the accept button. Fuck reading all that.
Can we start an initiative to stop companies making excessively long contracts to encourage people to mindlessly sign their rights away?

>>714832374
>Holy shit does no one read EULAs here?
They accepted being denied from manuals in games because they didn't read them, it makes perfect sense they being fucked over by EULAs with that in perspective.

>>714832521
But I didn't give them money. I just want to fuck them over. Is that so wrong?

>>714832374
the only EULA i've read in its entirety was this one

>>714832636
>>714832630
That was fast lmao

>Can we start an initiative to stop companies making excessively long contracts to encourage people to mindlessly sign their rights away?
No, it's an EULA so assume as tl;dr "accept and you're not in control anymore".

>>714826563
>but me hype me want product everybody but me should be responsible for their actions XD!
I have refused to give money to EA and Ubisoft for many years and if people actually punished companies that pushed bullshit they would bankrupt them or force them to change out of fear of going bankrupt but people don't want to do this, they want to give shitty companies money and have them change at the same time they reward them with money.

>>714832696
>But I didn't give them money. I just want to fuck them over. Is that so wrong?
Same and yes. Shut the fuck up and keep being no-buynary like most of us; it's actually working. Nothing more is needed, let alone any forms or hint of course corrections.

>>714816828 (OP)
We went from
>you will not say nigger
to
>we may revoke this EULA at any time for any reason and you have to destroy your physical copy
Where are the bootlickers now?

>>714832979
are you saying some leftist telling you what words not to say is the preferable option? cattle

>>714832861
>Of course I want to fuck them over fellow gamer, but don't you think you're taking things too far?
I don't care what you think is needed. More is wanted

>>714832470
oh yeah i've heard about that, the hate against him seems way overblown but that's how it goes online

>>714833143
>"I don't care what you think is needed."
>"So, I'm going to make Ubisoft adopt good practices"
>People start buying their shit again
>ubisoft dodges the bullet

>>714818773
Anno

>>714832374
companies does not design terms to be read, in fact they clearly don't want people to read them, so don't be surprised when "i didn't read before i pressed the accept button" is a valid argument in court

>>714832374
i replace the eula text with "penis funny" and then press agree
they haven't stopped me

>>714831717
>>714831837
>>714832023
It's incredibly grim how a handful of e-celebs determine the future of our legislation. Side with the e-celebs and your will is law; do not get their support, and your voice remains unheard. Democracy has a bright future ahead.

>>714828904
>Why wouldn't you want your game to live even after you are long gone or have moved on?

Old games compete with new games for market share. Just look at how hard Nintendo does everything it can to not sell you its old games and then when and if it does the prices are the same as new games. Publishers want you to stop playing their old games the moment their new game is out.

>>714833513
It's funny that you don't realize that the vast majority of popular, social or revolutionary movements have worked the same way.

Sorry but I cannot support this fascistic communist movement of St-p K-ll-ng G-mes!

t. Eulaberg Termsofservicestein Moneystolenwitz

>>714833657
>Just look at how hard Nintendo does everything it can to not sell you its old games
Nintendo just rejects retarded modern paradigms; when a console ends its lifecycle, support and internet EoS that's the end. It's official abandonware just like any game beforehand. They moved on and that's not only fine but the normal; there's no reason to keep locked onto an old system that met its purpose.

Yes. This is why internet in consoles was a bad thing and shouldn't be treated as anything but secondary. This is only a problem with GaaS but the focus clearly isn't there to be changed.

>>714833858
They were never this efficient, centralized, and at the whims of megacorporations (e.g. YouTube can fuck over YouTubers at any time, and as a result YouTubers will avoid pissing off YouTube).

>>714819602
You can't reason with corporate shills you meant?

>>714826563
Its the same thing with people accepting a less than livable wage and then crying when they don't get tips. There comes a point where the victim is just as much at fault as the perpetrator.

>>714833367
>people start buying their shit again
Don't like it, don't buy it. Who are you to tell people how to spend their money?

>>714834089
You would have a point if they also did not do everything in their power to stop people from preserving their old games or revitalize them.

>>714834240
>Don't like it, don't buy it.
That didn't stop them before clearly.

>Who are you to tell people how to spend their money?
Someone responsible. And with good taste, enough to not fall for shitty third party developers' crap.

>>714818295
>>714819602
You stupid SKGtrannies are making Ubisoft stronger. You should stop playing their games immediately and let them rot, not buy and play them.

>>714834074
not to be anti-semitic but it is comical how the whole EULA/TOS situation has exemplified exaggerated jewish stereotypes as if they are so true they're not true enough. it's really like an army of that Jon Leibowitz guy screeching over the computer
>YOU DON'T OWN NOTHING, GOY

>>714834361
Games are toys; the idea of preserving them is fundamentally dumb. Aside that, we know Nintendo is very protective of their IPs so that's a nothing burger point

>>714816828 (OP)
I don't get it.
How can they just rescind a good sold to you?

>>714832470
PiratNation is singlehandedly turning this whole thing into another Gamergate and /v/ has taken the bait, hook, line and sinker.

>>714834501
if it was stupid to preserve games, then why do companies continue to emulate, port and resell their old titles, making people buy them over and over again? could it be that corpos see the value in preserving and bringing their back catalogs over? who the fuck would have guessed

>>714834568
>How can they just rescind a good sold to you?
Because it's not around a product, it's around a service. The provider can tell you to fuck off in any way they want if you accepted the eula

>>714834392
>That didn't stop them before clearly
30 minutes earlier
>it's actually working
Which is it?

>>714834694
>then why do companies continue to emulate, port and resell their old titles, making people buy them over and over again?
Simple maximization process.

“This is only legally valid when we dictate it to be.”

This is why they set up dummy corporations, sue themselves, then run commercials opting in for normies they can scam for a third time

Medical system does this every month

>>714834776
>Which is it?
Both, retardo.

>Not buying stuff making the company stumble
>Buying off shitty games like the crew enabling practices that will piss off buyers

>>714817361
EULAs are not enforceable on first world countries (USA not included, of course).

>>714833367
>just let things get worse and worse dude! it's sure to get better because the free market is not completely mindless and people WILL stop buying slop with these kinds of practices!
Have you considered that companies other than ubislop will be forced to comply too? Helldivers 2 is a fun game, whether your contrarian ass disagrees or not and absolutely will get violently EoS'd by sony once the time comes. Had SKG come in earlier it could have been saved from this eventual fate and people would be able to enjoy it for years beyond, even potentially getting real content mods.

>>714816828 (OP)
>Termination is when we decide it with no notice
You're gonna get raped so by the eu

>>714829912
God the art from GW1 was fucking kino.

>>714833367
>people stopped buying from Ubisoft because they make live service crap
Good joke. Ubisoft makes garbage, live service or not

>>714834780
>maximization process
you just said that there's no point in preserving old games.
corpos' efforts in preserving their old games prove otherwise
therefore we should preserve old games so they remain playable, and SKG logically is one of the many steps to that end

>>714817361
This sort of shit's in tons of EULAs, it's not even new. Surprise, Baldur's Gate 3's EULA does this shit. None of it is enforceable, it's just to scare the consumer into compliance if they actually bother to read it - and in the EU, not only can it not being in your language void the EULA, it can be argued in court that it's void anyway both because it's a license to be read after the purchase, and that no one reads them anyway.

It's genuinely only in the US that anyone fears EULAs, and we generally don't care unless an idiot or an old techblind person gets suckered.

>>714835360
>just let things get worse and worse dude!
Correct, don't reward them with money and things won't. But you can't do simple stuff like that so ofc things got worse, retarded consoomer. Never pay services; there're only 2 you actually need and videogames aren't one of those.

>absolutely will get violently EoS'd by sony once the time comes.
less than 2 years, I assume.

>>714835619
Maximization process isn't about effort, it's about spending in order to get the most profits out of it. Therefore the re-releases are emulated and the likes.

>we should preserve old games
No, you don't. For all the good games there are 3x shitty one and live service cancer that deserve to be erased. Don't half-ass crusades

>>714835692
>None of it is enforceable, it's just to scare the consumer into compliance if they actually bother to read it
why the fuck don't corpos get fined for placing blatantly fraudulent terms on EULAs?

>>714818884
And so is AC 4!

>>714835945
>it's about spending in order to get the most profits out of it.
*spending less/the least in order

>>714835945
I'd frankly believe there definitely is value in preserving concord as an example of how NOT to make a game.
btw babel media aren't sending their best

>>714816828 (OP)
>muh SKG isn't even doing anything, nothing ever happens!!
these corpos went fully mask off in absolutely record time

>>714836073
>I'd frankly believe there definitely is value in preserving concord as an example of how NOT to make a game.
There are plenty of those, they're bound to happen no matter what. Always amusing to witness

>>714833513
don't get it twisted, the petition only brings the issue to EU's attention. i'm not even sure it gets a chance to come to voting.

i prefer getting the attention of 10 e-celebs that then influence 10 other e-celebs and so on, rather than non-public interests pouring millions into campaigns in order to barely scrape together 1 million votes

DO NOT READ EULA'S
THAT'S HOW THEY CONTROL YOU
IGNORE CORPORATE RIGHTS.

>>714834501
>games are toys
Some toys are considered national heritage items. Hell, that's basically how Pokemon and Dragon Quest are treated in Japan

>>714836270
you don't understand goy, you shouldn't preserve games. only us, g-d's chosen publishers, get to do that

>>714835983
Who's gonna take the time to read through every single fraudulent EULA to report them to the European Union? Never mind actually getting it into discussion via petition, lobbying or otherwise? If SKG makes the corpos start shitting themselves, maybe an opportunity will arise, but as it stands, you need the right people with the right autism for the right opportunity and circumstances to start taking anything to task, and the opportunity is not quite right yet.
You also have the complication that since EULAs can't really be enforced, companies themselves can hypocritically proclaim that since they cannot enforce the EULAs, there is no fraud occurring; any witless consumer "complying" is entirely on that consumer's end and not their "fault".

>>714836270
>Some toys are considered national heritage items
A crushing minority that you treat as something far bigger, I'm afraid

>>714831063
Only early Siege is good when Terrorist Hunt is still the main mode instead of whatever e sport trash we have now.

>>714817491
I think you meant
>refuse to uninstall
>come home to my computer buried in feces

>>714836352
>Who's gonna take the time to read through every single fraudulent EULA
someone definitely will
I'm sure that plenty of people would if they could get corpos to lose hundreds of thousands or even millions for trying to overstep their boundaries
I remember cases where a person or two claimed an offer for like $30 from the devs if you read the eula and phoned them up

>>714836421
Buddy, pal, friend, it happens. It's a real phenomenon. You can't say it's not. Toys are important cultural icons

>>714818773
FC 3, 4, primal and 5

>>714836315
I'm entitled to make myself a bootleg of game on an abandoned console as much as the IP holder and devs to re-release it on current systems... but fags aren't going to complain no matter what

>>714826563
>no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons
why shouldn't I?

>>714827826
actual shillbot

>>714836783
>You can't say it's not.
It's not. Don't compare rare historical archived items with that videogame that was a big thing and its endless failed clones, they're not in the same league

>>714833367
>dude, just vote with your wallet and the bad business practices will go away
this has never worked even one time because nobody actually fucking does it

>>714816828 (OP)
> what is theft for 500 alex
> dingidingdingding the daily double...

>>714826563
Investor's wallets are thicker than the consoomers, checkmate vote with wallet fags.

>>714817361
You just know there is a handful of literally autistic or OCD people that followed through with it lol

>>714837113
>Don't compare rare historical archived items with that videogame
You're the one who called it a toy

>>714837148
>muh vote with your wallet
stop assuming retarded and non-functional shit, anon

>>714831130
ubisoft montreal is responsible for developing a lot of the dogshit that molded ubisoft into what it is now

>>714837472
And you're the one mixing up consumerism with cultural/lifestyle items, I get the impression at least. There's only one game worth preserving but fags don't care about it at all.

I think all video games should be preserved for historical value. It may seem like modern, cash-grab slop to us now but give it 200 years and it all has value as data for the ways people lived in the 21st century.
This is going to end up being a problem with basically all media that isn't incredibly popular. Sure, stuff like CoD and the Sopranos is going to be preserved for a really, really long time, but our current entertainment isn't just a few shows and video games, it's hundreds of them.
I don't think people realize just how much is lost to time. There's so much we don't know about our ancestors because things weren't written down, were left to rot and/or were simply considered disposable or too common to bother preserving. It isn't hard to keep software around and there's no excuse for just deleting it.

>>714837938
>It may seem like modern, cash-grab slop to us
It was ALWAYS a cash-grab, the only difference is that it used to be good for a period.

>>714837750
It's a shit game and you should feel bad for giving money to the devs

>>714837938
>There's so much we don't know about our ancestors because things weren't written down, were left to rot and/or were simply considered disposable or too common to bother preserving
>year 2150
>a group of earth's new dominant race finds a timecapsule that somehow survived
>inside they find a big bang theory BR, Machine Gun Kelly's best record, selected Call of Duty games and Sonic 06
>they destroy the thing and every other vestige that could be found
What record should be preserved forever and why it's Rising from Rainbow?

>>714838145
good or bad doesn't matter, it's actually better if we have a mixture
previous generations did not only produce good plays, write good music or author good books
there was plenty of dogshit back then too, and it also was not preserved, perpetuating the misconception you're having right now that "things used to be so much better"
humans haven't changed in a hundred thousand years, we just don't bother keeping things considered "mediocre" or "bad" preserved for future generations

>>714838257
>Pong is shit

>>714838409
>there was plenty of dogshit back then too, and it also was not preserved, perpetuating the misconception you're having right now that "things used to be so much better"
Hence why I think it's worth preserving garbage like ET and concord. they are crucial to show that flops happened in the past too. concord in particular also shows how poz-checkbox-driven development ruins projects

>>714838409
That's exactly why it doesn't work; it's all or nothing, no bias of any kind just archival. But since there's way too much more shit and bloat over actual worthy stuff it's for the best not bother in this particular context. Music is far more important... and by that I mean music until 2010 as cutout due going to complete shit.

>>714834109
>e.g. YouTube can fuck over YouTubers at any time, and as a result YouTubers will avoid pissing off YouTube
You think newspapers were any different? They got censored all the time, entire stories dropped because of the government or the owners not wanting them getting out. They still get censored today, but they used to, too.

>>714838580
>concord in particular also shows how poz-checkbox-driven development ruins projects
>someone sees concord in the far future
>history erased all traces of its failure
>"hey, if it was here must be for a good reason"
>future now takes hint from Concord
Nice job, anon. You just made the future worse

>>714838623
>t-there are more p-pressing issues to care a-about!
fuck you and die in a ditch. the EU isn't limited to solving only 1 issue at a time

>>714827826
What fucking indie game closes up shop later down the line

>>714838757
>>"hey, if it was here must be for a good reason"
>>future now takes hint from Concord
under your retarded logic we shouldn't put signs next to spent radioactive fuel because some retard 2000 years from now could stumble upon it and misinterpret the signs to think there's candy surrounded by foot-thick walls of concrete
anyway, ET has been preserved and not a single soul thinks it's an example to follow, so your point is moot

>>714838510
Go play tennis

>>714838823
>the EU isn't limited to solving only 1 issue at a time
Or solving anyting lmao

>>714838403
>spoiler
Insanely based boomerpilled of the highest quality

>>714838993
>implying there will be radioactive material in 2000 years
This is going to age poorly

>>714838993
>anyway, ET has been preserved and not a single soul thinks it's an example to follow
Because it's recent and you fail to see that even in this short term people don't give a single fuck about it lol

>>714827929
>>714829834
>>714831483
I may be misremembering but I think I heard of a case exactly like that. It was over some other type of software not vidya, and I can't remember if they were suing the company or the company was suing them, but the court determined that since the EULA was not presented to the customer until after they had already purchased the product, it is not a valid contract as the customer is naturally coerced into accepting since they already have money on the line.

>>714835692
>and that no one reads them anyway.
This has never been an argument for voiding a contract anywhere.

>>714837938
>image
what was this character named again, i always forget it

>>714839474
according to this thread, you're wrong

>>714831717
>>714832195
And here I was thinking I was not going to fap tonight.

>>714826563
>companies should get away with bad business practices because retards enable them
now do grooming and human trafficking

>>714819396
That ass was not meant for mortal men

>>714836513
>Terrorist Hunt is still the main mode
This was literally never the case, it was always a PvP game with a minority playing T-hunt

>>714839706
enjoy anon, its name is Brain

>>714839927
>SKGtrannies go full mask off and reveal they're child rapists
That escalated very quickly

>>714819396
>>714827725
>>714839992
but how is that ass in 2025? that gif must be quite old by now

>>714833475
well of course not, penis is funny

>>714839585
fugg, i tried asking bing ai and it thinks that pepe the frog is sitting there.
i gave hints about it having no arms and long legs and brown fur/skin, then it thought it was "Shaggy the God of Destruction, from the animated series Choco & Pancake".
it guessed correctly on the third try, Gondola, after I said it was a meme character

>>714840726
bah, i asked if it used the uploaded image to guess which character it was or just my text hints. it only used the text hints, why even have the upload feature if it isn't used when you're not logged in...

>>714836352
I guarantee you some autist will go out of their way to do so if they even get the slightest hint that it will cause a massive pain in the ass for the company involved
people are incredibly spiteful fuckers when motivated

>>714840726
gondola, a bastardization (or refinement) of spurdo sparde

>>714816828 (OP)
Lol now people are actually reading eula of stuff they consume it took all this for you guys to do it

>>714841728
i like gondola's obserbing and non-talking nature.
also non-interactibe since he habe no arms, but some artists cheat there.

>>714842256
i greatly enjoy both but there is definitely a unique artistic culture around gondola that I appreciate more than spurdo

>>714832374
Why read something that isn't legally enforceable? A contract is a document physically signed by both parties. Someone saying "you're gonna agree to this if you play my game" is not a contract. When children can access it with no legally responsible adult present to make the agreement, it is 100% unenforceable. Publishers are delusional if they think they can actually dictate the legality of anything just because someone clicked through to play a video game.

>>714842390
ive got a version of that with speech
not sure which is the original, i think mine is an edit because some lines are filled in

>>714843026
also they show the agreement after the purchase has already been done. and if the game is meant to be played by 12 year olds the text in the agreement should be easy to read and digest by 12 year olds.
it's very obvious that companies don't want anyone to read anything that they click accept on. there's no summaries, the language is too cryptic, and it's too long to begin with.

>>714836513
Terrorist Hunt was unfortunately never the main mode, which is why I only played the beta and haven't touched a Ubisoft game since.

>>714834501
>why do you care? you shouldn't care. stop caring!

>>714826563
>Play gundam evolution
>spend 9 dollars on a Zaku Unit with an Axe.
>Fun game was better then overwatch.
>Game is shutdown
>lose my fucking access and my money is stolen.
it was 9 dollars but damn that fuckin sucks.

>>714846165
Shalom and welcome to the future :)

>>714831310
I got pressured into buying For Honor and then my friend dropped it a week later. Never again.

Like an abusive husband after a bad day at work, they are taking out their failure worshiping Saint Floyd on their wife/children/dog/friends.

>>714818773
Uno?

>>714818773
Any Splinter Cell before Conviction

>>714846040
If you didn't take the hint in the last 3 years you should and will be happier

>>714818773
Silent Hunter III

>>714817095
The people funding Ubisoft have infinite money. An ubisoft title could sell negative copies and still turn out a profit for corporate.

>>714846801
Dos?

>>714818773
Ubisoft published Grandia 1 on the playstation.
I think that's the only game I own with the ubisoft logo on it.

>>714847258
It's effectively dead; canuck goverment won't pay for them and the Chinks have them on a chokehold trying to take away their IPs. Ubisoft isn't recovering from this and can only exist in name.

Unless there was some change in the last months that I don't know.

>>714847050
fucking blacklist is amazing, the only problem was the voice actor and that was it

>>714816828 (OP)
>Sign video game EULA
>Your house and car get taken by Ubisoft executives and you get deployed to the Ukrainian front as a mercenary

Damn, shouldn't have signed that EULA.

>>714832318
impeding them impedes everyone else retard, learn how legislating businesses works

>>714839927
those are not literal toys you fucking moron

its so funny how whenever you argue that its not really hostile business to simply allow different methods of ownership for a TOY people start saying

BUT WHAT ABOUT OSHA, BUT WHAT ABOUT KIDNAPPING

lmao fucking idiots, there is a reason you will never see "buyer beware" for your water provider, we treat different goods and services differently with they are a luxury for obvious reasons, let alone retarded non-comparisons like to fucking crimes

>>714846165
it was an always online multiplayer game what did you expect. if it didnt do well, did you expect them to release standalone servers then let everyone have the games source code for free or something?

>>714837415
the answer is to create laws based around transparency, never to regulate what practices a luxury-good business can engage in

>>714847367
Blacklist was alright and was made just before the live service cancer really took hold of everything. I'm not trusting them with making any more Splinters Cells

>>714828516
I miss when the Diablo 3 launch was so fucking bad because of always online other games coming out at the time dunked on it by putting
>and no always online nonsense
now look where we are

>>714835692
You don't have to specify in the EU, it's pretty much the entire world where stuff like EULAs are toilet paper but EUtards have to constantly virtue signal about how much they love their totalitarian governments draconian anti business agenda

>>714848026
I expect to be able to play the game retard. Iam sorry that you fags didnt grow up in an age where not everything had matchmaking.

>>714816828 (OP)
>You must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession.
Remember the time some MTG Youtuber mistakenly did an unboxing of an unreleased set and got pinkerton agents to his house demanding that he return that box set back to them?
https://archive.ph/BGhmd

>>714848813
i do remember that, fucking corporate subhumans

>>714831063
>hero shooter
>good

>>714825519
not my proudest fap

>>714831310
you should pirate black flag

>>714818773
pop ww

>>714816828 (OP)
>AAA is going to war over a man that lives off canned beans and fish
Grim

>>714817520
Silence mongrel.

>>714818149
And Valve are king kikes, yeah.

>>714832374
>EULA states that you need to kill yourself
>failure to do so means that your continued existence will be revoked at a later date
Thank you for your patronage.

>>714853887
Fear is one hell of a motivator, Brother.

>>714817869
>But what if I just....don't destroy my physical copies? What can they even do?
Technically, they can sue you and make you pay them $100 000 in damages.

>>714854549
>keep videogame installed
>money stolen

>>714832374
Yeah bro you totally read every single EULA, I totally believe you.

>>714831640
they can threaten all they want, it won't pass even the most retarded consumer 'protections' in any modern nation.

>>714855589
have you not noticed that people are absolutely terrified of getting in trouble nowadays?

>>714833118
>are you saying
No, you illiterate double nigger

What about EULA changes?
There are games and services that have changed them down the line.

>>714824016
>Anons not realizing skg is just communism
One day you will learn about syndicalism instead of using your favorite boogieman word. Maybe even today, who knows.

>>714819250
there is no cfw for the S2

>>714824016
>skg is just communism
So is piracy and open source

>>714832374
EULAs are a worthless waste of time in the EU

>>714816828 (OP)
>its afraid

>>714817520
Go back to your cubicle and resume being ass raped by corporate, lolbert.

>>714816828 (OP)
YES UBISOFT THE EULA COMPELS ME TO DESTROY MY COPY OF WATCH DOGS

>>714847862
It only impeeds with immoral practices, touching those who lust for money at the expense of everything else.

>>714839629
I'm not disputing people not reading EULAs. I'm saying that it has never been used by a court to void a contract.

>>714829834
>EULA can be changed at a whim even after you bought the game

>>714818149
I shop only on GOG so i can get my offline installers. Good luck anyone taking those from me.

>>714839474
A EULA isn't a contract, it's an agreement.

>>714857570
This is my favorite part.
>accept new EULA to continue playing this video game you paid for
LOL what????? how is this nigger behaviour allowed to videogame publishers? I unironically hope the EU rapes them to death with regulations

>>714857678
no refunds goy :^)

>>714857678
Do not insult [BRAND]

>>714857790
>no refunds goy :^)
That's what Valve tried to do before the EU threatened to rape their corporate assholes. Now we all have refunds. Never say never.

>>714834213
In your analogy, SKG is arranging for their employer to pay them more which makes it a good thing

>>714835983
It's not legislated against and to fine them you have to take them to court over it and win. Every time someone did, it happened, but few people have the resources to do such a thing.

tl;dr their money shields them from it.

>>714819145
"No refunds" is not even close to the same as "You must destroy everything you bought off us that you still own"

>>714848026
Releasing standalone servers would not give people the source code of the game as server binaries and source code are completely separate things. And even if they did release the source code, it still would not cede their intellectual property or lose them anything. So you're wrong on both accounts.

>>714816828 (OP)
i told you fags a million times these billionaires need toi get their shit pushed in. the streets need to run red with the blood of ceos or humanity will know no peace

>>714858417
That's not very prosemitic of you

>>714817520
>midwit posting infographics he barely understands alongside his dogshit takes, episode #156

>>714817095
they are used by quebec to launder tax money

>>714839992
Mr Frodo knows

Kill g*mers IRL.

>>714858462
yeah well the semites shouldn't conspire against the interests of the common man then

>>714816828 (OP)
Apart from software, is there any other industry that is actually allowed to disable, terminate or otherwise destroy their product when the company just can’t be arsed with it anymore? Cos if there isn’t then the EU is gonna have a field day with the corpofags.

>>714832374
>USAnians
>read

>>714854030
There's nothing wrong with that though? At least in the EU anyway where a software license is a property.

>>714859169
God bless the EU!

>>714831717
>posting the censored version
https://litter.catbox.moe/ytu2fgo9yfknbbvg.jpg

>>714839585
Gondola

>>714853506
amen

>>714827826
I wish I could sign it twice.

>>714817813
US is really trash when it comes to regulations. It's also why their meat is so bad

>>714816828 (OP)
Only a retard would take any of that shit seriously.
They can write they own your firstborn (lol like that's going to happen) when you run their shit but it doesn't mean it's enforceable.

>>714832374
I live in a first world country, why would I bother doing that when it's not even remotely close to being legally binding? Doubly so when it's presented as 50 pages of legalese instead of written in laymans terms.

>>714826563
>just let ford turn your car into a paperweight, it's their right because the eula says so, stupid goys

>>714826563
>just stop using microsoft and google products doooood vote with your wallet XD

>>714863084
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/wizards-of-the-coast-sends-pinkertons-to-youtubers-house-for-magic-cards/1100-6513541/

>>714864216
Unironically, yes.
Don't like? Don't buy.
You're just a jealous commie that would do the same if he had the chance.

>>714817520
LITERALLY MURDER ALL CORPORATE BOOTLICKERS IN REAL LIFE

>>714865338
Everyone would do the same if they could, that's why we need regulation

>>714865338
>Don't like? Don't buy.
That's what people did and then the american car industry died.

>>714865338
>Don't like? Don't buy.
How about you stop selling your GaaS games to 12 year old children? If you can't be assed to have non-predatory videogame systems in your game that target children you should get your ass raped by the BIG EU RAGULATIONS DICK! I already buy all my games on GOG.

ubishit is dying for a reason
stop making your customers your enemies

>>714865838
Stop attacking developers' rights you commie gamergaters.

>>714848112
Because gamers buy and play them religiously no matter now much you don't buy them. Especially since Fortnite became popular and normalized the idea of a game that requires internet to function.
Gamers are sub-human gorilla retards by and large. They have consumed the hobby and turned it into a wasteland of procedurally generated live-service trash. with zero substance and maximum monetization.

This board is a miniscule minority compared to the billions of non-human bacterial colonies that leap to the defense of heinous shit like Always-Online Singleplayer.
Gaming is finished. It regressed back to being for stupid children that can be pleased by anything as long as a company tells them to. Quality has left the equation.

>>714827826
If you can't afford to build cars with brakes and airbags, you shouldn't be in the car business, do something else, simple as

>>714865965
>Gamers are
the retards buying into games like fartnite aren't gamers. they're bandwagoning consumerist goycattle with the impulse control of an incontinent toddler.

>>714865938
Stop licking corporate boot, you worthless non-human dogshit.

>>714866045
Why do you hate indie car companies and freedom? If they want to ship a car without breaks and airbags, just let them.
You fucking SKGtrannies are insufferable.

>>714817520
>giving more rights to the people and less rights to the corporations is bad for you actually!

>>714866073
Gamers are people that buy and play video games, you fucking moron.
Stick your fingers in your ears all you want. It won't change anything about what I said.

Go fuck yourself, schizo.

>>714866156
Anon, I might go out on a limb here, but I think he *might* have been joking

>>714866073
everyones a gamer now it doesn't matter what it means to be a """gamer""" if shitty business practices are allowed and are profitable we all get fucked

>>714865235
This is Cyberpunk 2077 levels of corporate dystopia.

>>714834397
>dude like vote with your wallet
Proven to not work, you dumb bitch

gamers aka goycattle will keep losing because they are low impulse retards and deserve everything they get.

>>714868237
Proven to work, but people are voting wrong

>>714824016
Maybe companies should stop making communist policies preferable.

>>714826563
Consumers are weak and feeble-minded. The government being empowered probably won't be effective but "vote with your wallets" will absolutely never work. Sensible customers have been fed this abject lie ever since the late 2000s, and where has that approach gotten us today?
I say legislate the big companies into the grave. What of value could possibly be lost? All those really good AAA games they've been putting out? Ubisoft already hasn't made a good Splinter Cell game in 20 years without the government raping them into the ground.

>>714817520
Ok, Jacques