Thread 714817204

>not all mages are criminals!
>does kirkwall 9/11 within the same time frame
Amazing writing

He's hot and voiced by Adam Howden tho

>>714817204 (OP)
I like Origins, 2 and Inquisition
Veilguard is fake news and Dreadwolf will come out any day now

>>714817304
really? his performance was mediocre at best here

>>714817204 (OP)
>try to side with mages
>do everything to help them because of sister
>mages all decide to chimp out anyways and go down the path of blood magic at final confrontation
what is their fucking problem

>>714817204 (OP)
>Knight commander, the second mage has hit kirkwall

>>714817963
turns out dub VAs are bad, who knew?

>>714817204 (OP)
Yeah he said not all mages are criminals. He didn't say he wasn't a criminal himself.

>>714817204 (OP)
It was Justice!

>>714817204 (OP)
>Not all mages are criminals
>every mage in DA2 except for Bethany is a criminal

>>714817204 (OP)
Doesn't the dlc character make a holocaust joke during one of the Ander's sidequests? Like afterwards he goes "Not quite the holocaust you thought it was..."

>>714818625
The writers couldn't figure out how to make the Templar side seem just in their beliefs so literally every mage eventually resorts to blood magic, and I think they maybe retroactively changed shit again to say "Kirkwall is just bad juju magic area so you're more likely to turn to blood magic"

>>714818123
Holy fuck was I so mad when I supported them the ENTIRE game only for them to kidnap Bethany and try to kill her
What's worse is that the game treats you like you're evil for letting the templars do whatever they want to the conspirators after. Why the fuck would I help you now?

>arch mage keeps crying about mages being killed
>pleads for you to help him against the blood thirsty templars
>the moment things go south in either side he pulls out blood magic and turns into a giant blood golem
Templars kinda have a point in all 3 games.

>>714818123
What's worse was
>Killing the templar side so hard that they don't even have a chance to be a threat, and I'm just waiting for the waves to spawn
>Cutscene triggers and suddenly the Mage dude thinks we are fucked so he used blood magic and admits to being part of the reason your mom was murdered

>>714819469
>>714819584
He also was talking secretly with the blood mage that kills your mother and frankensteins her, keeping him secret because he was afraid Meredith would clamp down on them for harboring blood mages (which they were)

>>714819757
>mages cause the blight and the darkspawn
>can crack at any moment and get possessed by a demon or go insane and destroy tons of shit before put down
>caused the entire shitshow in kirkwall
>the entire mage plot in inqusition
>if you even give a shit about the latest game a mage ripped open the fade and unleashed elven gods that instantly started blood cults
It's a wonder why mages aren't just killed on sight globally

>>714818123
>>714817204 (OP)
2 just has sloppy writing. In many ways it was a combination of Bioware having dumb ambitions for the sequel while pairing those with a retardedly short timeline for release. It was the moment the internal push to make Dragon Age "stand out and hip" came from which led to the C-grade franchise we have now. The old devs were mostly gone by now so the substantial influences on DA (primarily dark fantasy novels from 1980-2000s) were pushed out in favor of the "renaissance" in fantasy started by Harry Potter that couped the whole genre into its current iteration.

The current iteration I'm talking about is shit like pic related and other LGBTQ dogshit that pushed out the old fantasy reader base with one dominated so heavily by women that Harlequin novels have been folded into the wider spectrum identified as "fantasy".

TLDR: DA2 is OG woke as fuck and was the start of this long train wreck all of you keep buying tickets for.

I really hate that Dragon Age 2 is supposed to span like ten years but literally nothing happens or evolves in the city, the only reference to the passage of time I can think of is a joke about Isabella standing in the same spot for years

>>714820329
>Game pushes the narrative of "being a refugee and trying to get along with all the others in a big, scary city that isn't yours"
>The first woman you meet is a white, blonde hag about to be widowed before you
Sounds about right. Like with most "gaming franchises," the only good one was the first one.

>>714817204 (OP)
pure kinoma

>>714819469
>>714820195
they're all shit. templars and mages are both the fucking worst.

>>714820329
thats DAO by the DLCs though

>>714821549
>by the DLCs though
What in the dlc? Nothing really comes to mind but its been years

The whole idea of making it mages vs templars when you or your sister is a mage is retarded. Your stakes in the conflict are too personal
It's also way too divisive for the companions to take sides on. Half the party hates each other, while the other half are the only ones that aren't insufferable because they don't care. It also makes no sense for anders to just watch you hand over mages to the templars in side quests and continue fighting by your side
They were right to end this conflict quickly in DAI and go back to blighted creature tries to end the world

>>714822028
that motherfucking leilana dlc

>>714818625
It's just comical how fast they jump to using blood magic whenever they are being detained for suspicion (even if false) of using blood magic. Even when playing as a mage yourself it feels like you and the guy that scapes the circle to get laid and come back are the only retards not using blood magic

>>714822447
Oh, that was the one I never did because I couldn't care less about her (and they made City Elf's mom black so its non-canon to me)

>>714822476
because mages get fucked for even the suspicion of using blood magic the templars have removed both the practical (not getting fucked) and moral (being the bad guy) consequences for blood magery. it's an okay dynamic except they instantly explode into fucking demons

>>714819149
Which is ridiculous because they already did a good job of making the templars an understandable and sympathetic faction in DA:O. You get multiple perspectives on the issue that express that it is a deep conundrum that's hard to handle
>Wynne thinks the Circle is a good thing and honestly seems to be very cordial with the Templars. She seemed to view the Circle as PROTECTING her from normal people, rather than as a prison
>Gregor seems genuinely motivated to protect mages but understands that his duty might involve having to purge them
>Morrigan sees the Circle and Templars as explicitly bad in every way because she values personal freedom and self-determination over responsibility to others
>most Templars (including Alistair) don't seem to want to be directly cruel to mages, they just want to make sure they don't cause harm to themselves or others
>you see just how bad it can get when the mages aren't kept in control (including how bad it can get for the mages themselves)
>on the flipside, you can see how quick to jump to violence and how stifling the Templars can be
>you see that there are multiple different fraternities of wizards in the Circle that have different philosophies on it and how they should respond (from people wanting to abolish the Circle to those thinking it's their responsibility to the world to ensure all mages are controlled by the Circle)
>you also see that some mages are able to receive greater freedom from the Circle as an expression of trust and respect for their good behavior (i.e. Wynne if she survives)
DA:O already made the conflict nuanced and interesting, but DA2 just kind of squandered it and fucked the whole thing up in a really stupid way. They made the Templars more needlessly cruel and hostile and made all mages complete psychopaths. Whereas in DA:O it was a conundrum because both sides were understandable, in DA2 it's a conundrum because both sides are fucking retards.

>>714822476
>>714818625
They try to explain every mage going sicko mode the second shit goes south as the entirety of Kirkwall having a weak barrier between the physical plane and the Fade because of the exorbitant amount of blood sacrifices that took place their back when the Tevinter ran the place.
Don't point out how this just circles back to the problem being mages in the first place, please.

>>714822447
Lol at them retconning it into taking place in denerim instead
DAO had some of the laziest dlc slop ever

>>714822652
both sides are retards and your hypocrite buddy half-anders goes and makes everything worse and its glorious. i love DA2.

>>714817204 (OP)
>literally puts on a black school shooter coat before he goes apeshit
Dragon Age 2 was unintentional comedy gold.

>>714822652
Anime was a noted influence on DA2 and pop culture anime writing typically suffers more than any other medium in trying to display a nuanced conflict.

Did we ever figure out what the "Awesome Button" was?

>>714822980
>DAO had some of the laziest dlc slop ever
Eh, EA were trying to get a yearly game out from Bioware around that time. DA2 was supposed to be a major DAO expansion.

>>714817204 (OP)
Mages and elves acted like total niggers and I hated how it was the 'evil' choice to point that out.

>>714823362
No because it was still a party based game where your controlled character has 1/4 impact
In retrospect, they should have gone with veilguard combat in 2 instead of the halfassed shit they did

>>714823478
>DA2 was supposed to be a major DAO expansion.
It's weird how they tried doing the same thing with Inquisition originally being DLC for 2 and Veilguard supposed to be continuing with the Inquisitor.

>>714821363
>templars and mages are both the fucking worst.
Templars only exist because mages keep fucking up, anon.

>>714817618
The crippling problems of Inqusition are twofold
1. extremely boring as fuck, seriously why even bother?
2. best girls got no love, viv and lace and that dyke sera.

The mages in 2 are the villains, 2 single-handedly pushes them in that direction. The Templars aren't great but every mission, every story beat, has the mages fuck up catastrophically when they aren't maliciously slaughtering people. Even the "good" mage leader is directly responsible for killing your mom because mage solidarity or some shit. It's a wonder Kirkwall doesn't cull them wholesale

>>714823362
press any button = awesome

I just finished the RPG I was playing and I was trying to decide between Atelier Ayesha and Dragon Age Inquisition next. Is this thread a sign? I put off playing it all these years because it looked like dogshit, but Veilguard looks so much more like dogshit Inquisition seems not that bad in comparison.

>>714828013
its dogshit but i still love a lot of the characters

>>714828013
Do not play DAI. It is an offline MMO. Like seriously. You are inundated with quests that are, quite literally, "go kill 10 bears" and "go collect 10 flowers" it is actually fucking weird. Also it has some of the worst companions ever.

>>714828640
also the main plot is fucking shit

>>714828889
Anon, it's a Dragon Age game after the first. That goes without saying.

>>714828943
DA2 is a good story about canonically retarded people.

>>714829027
>DA2 is a good story
Its barely a story! Its a series of events that happen where Hawke is just there for

The same retards who complain about the mages in dragon age 2 also side with the Palestinians l even though laura conflict and the israeli-palestinian conflict

>>714817204 (OP)
he did nothing wrong
during the entire game you with Andres kill hundreds upon hundreds of people but for some ''reason'' blowing up the chantry is Le bad?
it was nighttime and in the cutscene we see only templars and chantry staff inside it and they 100% deserve death, fuck that centrist bitch melfina or whatever her name was, she did nothing to change th status quo so it was up to Andres to do it

>>714829541
i love that most especially, aside from the fucking qunari shit. hawke's group is doing their own shit and they have to navigate around all the dumb garbage thats going on. being attached to the big factions in the city but also detached from being called to do things directly gives it a much more grounded perspective. in the end everything was all his friends fault. varric's family for the red shit and anders for being a delusional retard.

>>714830549
Isabela caused the qunari stuff
The city got fucked up twice because of hawkes companions
Nearly three if sebastian wants to invade
Merrill also gets an entire dalish clan killed unless you pick one specific dialogue option

>>714831005
oh right, i do not consider isabella a friend. left to her own devices (my wife) merrill will kill her entire species. extra special double retard.

>>714829896
>mages killed prophet Andraste
Jews killed prophet Jesus
>mages treat non-mages as second class citizens in Teventer
treat non-jews as second class citizens in Israel
>manupilated the chantry in Teventer to suit their pro-mage agenda
manupilated the churches in the west to suit their pro-jew afenda (christian Zionism)
>non-mages should server their mage masters
goyim should server his jewish masters
>mages groom and rape children (see Fenris butthole)
jews groom and rape children (the talmud says it's okay)
>mages destroyed acnicent Elven (the whitest group in DA) civilization
jews destoryed western civilization
>the free chantry and templars despises filhty mages
historically the old christian church (when it was free) and the european orders of chivaltry despised jews
>Qunaris (muslim inspired) hate mages even more and they are constanty at war with the Teventer
self explained
>mages caused the blight
jews caused every major war and tragedy in history


mages = jews

>>714829027
The plot of DA2 can really be summed up with
>Varric and Hawke completely fail to wrangle their retard acquaintances

>>714831339
also the right of annulment the templars invoked whenever mages get uppity is just like the pogoms christians launch against jews whenever they show their true colors
>muh 6 million dead mages

>>714831005
I genuinely forgot Sebastian existed until reading your post. Even now all I remember about him was his meltdown if you don't immediately extrajudicially murder your close friend on command.

>>714817204 (OP)
DA2 is shit, but how stupid do you have to be to not understand that Justice was overwriting Anderson's personality?

>>714831971
Literally all I remember is his holocaust quip

>>714831635
What are jews going to summon as mages? Foreskin?

>>714832315
when in trouble the jew will summon his loyal golem to protect him

>>714832519
>Flesh golem made of foreskin

oh no

>>714818123
Wasn't it because the fade wall is weak due to slavery or something so demons are just hopping into people like no one's business

>>714834248
maybe dont store your mages circle in the murder pit

>>714834248
>slavery
Blood magic. Centuries of it. Coupled with an extremely powerful demon being imprisoned within the foundations of the city itself. You find a bunch of books and texts about it throughout the game.

>>714817204 (OP)
>STOP TREATING MAGES LIKE CRIMINALS
>if you side with them all they do is act like criminals

>>714820195
Also as of Veilguard: Confirmed proof elves are responsible for the Blight, Demons, and literally every ill of society.

Sorry, but are we supposed to feel sorry the Knife ears are slaves?

>>714820329
What era is that picture supposed to be?

>>714817204 (OP)
he never said he wasn't a mage criminal

>>714823362
Console players had to click for every attack while PC players clicked once and focused on their macros.
The awesome button was spamming attacks to like it's a diablo game.

>>714831005
>Merrill also gets an entire dalish clan killed
This is a good thing, never turn your back to a knife ear, Merril is an honorary human.

>>714835002
>>714823362
every button was the awesome button, they placed an emphasis on the flashier attack animations

>>714835121
merrill is like a domesticated pet, mostly.

should i play human or elf mage (arcane warrior) in dao?

>>714835480
female elf mage so you can play all 3 minority cards
>is it because I'm an elf?
>is it because I'm a mage?
>is it because I'm a woman?

>>714835480
human noble if you want to be human, elf mage if you want to be a mage, and city elf if you want to be an elf

>>714819469
The idea of an anti-magic defense force is good it is just poorly executed in modern Thedas
>retcon templars not needing lyrium to push a drug addiction plotline
>adds lore about templars raping female mages beating children to death and the chantry stealing babies
>adds legalized lobotomy
>mages turn to blood magic to leave the circle because they're tired of getting raped and beat up all the time and want to see their mom

>>714836434
>>retcon templars not needing lyrium to push a drug addiction plotline
I misread this at first and thought you said the opposite of what your sentence meant for a moment. When did this happen again and with who? I remember something like this happening but I can't remember with who, was it Cullen?

>>714836604
Alistair says that templars don't need lyrium to use Templar abilities in DAO which was retconned
>was it Cullen?
Yes.

>Meredith was right about literally everything she was paranoid about even when being influenced by the magic red sword of schizophrenia.
Blood magic being practiced? Yep. Mages being trafficked illegally in and out of the city? Yep. Orsino is actively working against the templars? Yep and he's a blood mage too. She was 100% on the money the entire time and if people listened to her 9/11 wouldn't have happened and it's utter bullshit that you're forced to fight her even if you've sided with her on every single thing because there's no choices of importance in the game.

>>714820329
Gideon the ninth is kino thoughever

>>714835571
I accused Isolde of being racist and she freaked the fuck out it was hilarious

Anders is peak muslim representation.

>>714820195
its funny because even when we found out the true reason for the blight, it was still because of MAGES. elven mages at that.

>>714837359
everything in the series was elves at this point

>>714824575
>extremely boring as fuck,
ok saar

>>714836830
bioware was beyond pozzed already at that point so there's no way they would justify performing a genocide against mages who absolutely 100% deserved one

>>714829896
Palestinians can summon fireballs and demons?

>>714837812
just the main story with the furry elf gods

>>714817204 (OP)
Anyone ever find it spoopy how much he looks like that dude, who was also named Anders, that shot up the student retreat thing round the same time as this game released?

>>714838697
>Hates minorities
>kills white kids at camp

>>714817204 (OP)
Dragon age games are so ugly

>in Origins the Mage Tower in Ferelden was compromised, proven by endless amounts of notes from blood mages and conspiring that goes back to the players origin story where Jowan is implied to have been ratted out by Uldred
>many mages want to either become hermits or become independent of the Chantry
>theres a shitton of quests some given by mage factions that involve hunting down blood mages or even helping to disguise other blood mages from scrutiny
>theres a quest involving a rogue, elven mage who turned an entire forest of people including his own tribe into werewolves
>oh and Tevinter buys slaves and uses them for blood magic

The entirety of this happens in 1 game alone. Mages keep trying to say they're misunderstood but hand them even a sliver of power or promises of independence and they go off the deep end. Even Jowan fucks over an entire town to hide his malefecarum ways. Its like a pitbull or a brownoid telling you they wont kill a child and they do it anyways.

>>714829541
Why did they make Merrill an oblivious retard in 2

I just made my Hawke an incel

>>714831005
>kills entire tribe
>if only they let me HELP them >:(

>>714831971
he also tries to convince fenris to help him send merrill and anders to the gallows assuming he'd agree and fenris is just like wtf

>>714831005
>Merrill also gets an entire dalish clan killed unless you pick one specific dialogue option
Oh no. How horrible...

>>714839747
everyone else was also an obvious retard, she's just the cutest one.

>>714836830
Veilguard made it so she was being brainwashed by foreign species outside of Thedas and we will likely never get a real conclusion to the series because there's no more dragons + everyone got fired

>>714839578
It's kind of funny how Mage Warden follows this trend.

Even if you don't do blood magic, the events of Redcliffe and Haven goes back to Amell/Surana helping Jowan. They do it again by saving Anders.

>>714828013
I'd rather you play the weebshit. Inquisition was horrendous.

>>714841216
To be fair Jowan was captured even with his phylactery gone. Like in a dungeon with no hope of ever seeing the light until Loghain made a deal with him and then captured the Templar who was hunting him down. And Isolde honestly, would've found someone similar to him down the line. She wanted Connor safe, that meant hiring a mage outside any political affiliation. Jowan may have been killed but the events in Redcliffe I think would've occured anyways.

>>714841604
im a femanon but i played as a man to romance her

>>714841994
But she's bi

>>714831005
>Merrill also gets an entire dalish clan killed unless you pick one specific dialogue option
deserved they should have stopped being uppity and get in the alienages like good knife ears

>>714817204 (OP)
He and Meredith both had big problems and neither of them are meant to the the paragons of their factions

>>714842061
NTA but some people just prefer certain genders with certain characters

Like those people who only get with Leliana as a woman. I find it funny how many DA bisexuals have a lean for women though.

>>714818123
I mean while you sided with the mages, your PC doesn't do anything that actually improve their condition. No one did. An insane templar lady is still in charge, templars are still allowed to abuse mage, people got lobotomize to maximize the church profit still happen,... Kirkwall was a powderkeg that is waiting to be ignite. In fact the qunari invasion was a stabilized factor simply because it gave everyone in Kirkwall a figure to united against.

people who criticize "bad writing" like this are just wrong

it's perfect realistic, people actually behave like this, our president is an oompa loompa

you don't like the writing because it makes you uncomfortable to see people that vapid but it doesn't make it bad writing

>>714842209
Meredith was right about everything she was worried about and is proven to be so correct and unquestionably in the right that there's a magic red macguffin that exists only so she fights you at the end of the game

>>714842209
The difference is that Meredith was in position of power, abused that power and got away with all of that cause no one can do shit about her.

>>714818123
they were written that way so the templars don't look cartoonishly evil

but then it just makes me want to side with neither of them and fuck off

>>714842639
she's literally in charge of not being controlled by magic things and she gets controlled by magic thing. the whole place was always coming down.

>>714817204 (OP)
I should've played GuildWars1 instead of WoW... now look at my life.

>>714842639
Meredith literally cause the situation in the first place by allowed her men to do all the bullshit like lobotomize and rape. She pushed the condition to the worst possible states that the mages have no choice but fight back.

>>714839578
Being a mage is like owning an automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine. It's fucking rad and awesome and YOU would have one if you could, but peasants (yourself included) who need to present their butter knife loicense seethe at them because of the sheer killing power we possess.

>>714842751
Magic thing was a plot device from ancient mage niggers, it's always a mages fault and Meredith being Strong Mind is why she doesn't snap for several years until the city's church is nuked and blood mages start pouring out of the tower. Reminder that the naturally resistant to magic dwarves that can't even do magic went insane within days of finding the red lyrium

>>714817204 (OP)
You missed the point where he was possessed by a demon.

>>714842779
Wow I wonder if the mages were practicing blood magic and aiding people like the guy who murdered Hawke's mom into and out of the city before Meredith started cracking down hard?

>>714842779
Veilguard basically ripped all accountability away from Loghain and Meredith with that secret ending lmao

>>714843018
Many mages were also weren't doing anything, just sitting in the tower and still got lobotomize for profit and abused. Meredith weren't crack down hard because some mages practice blood magic, she crack down hard because she wanted to show the mages who's the boss in Kirkwall.

>>714843152
I thought we all agree that Veilguard wasn't real

>>714839093
This I have to use mods to make my game look appealing

>>714832519
>loyal golem
So ,who are the Americans in DA?

DA2 is a game with a lot of interesting idea held back by the fact that it was rushed out the door by EA. In other Bioware games, the PC choices actually affect the world and change the world, meanwhile DA2 do the opposite, Hawke choices barely affect anything in the world and the only thing that actually got affected by his choices is his personal life (his family, his love life, his relationship,...).
The rivalry and friendship system was also a very good idea and it's a shame that no other title try this again. It make the relationship between the party member and the PC feel more fun and doesn't make the PC look like a two-face liar.

>>714843860
the game is definitely more focused on hawke's family and friends than the world so that part is fine. rivalry is only good in theory, its understandable it will never ever happen again.

>In inquisition the templars become the bad guy faction you fight because they're all forcefully corrupted and brainwashed by the red lyrium and the ones that resist are killed if you don't show up to help
>In inquisition the mages you fight as the bad guy faction just signed up with the bad guys because it seemed like a good idea and you weren't there to tard wrangle them away from it
Mages have never once in the entire 3 games been anything but niggers and Templars have always been right

Reminder that Orsino going blood abomination anyways, even if you side with him, was done purely for a retarded meta reason. It was not made for any narrative function but purely "we want another boss fight and cant be arsed to make a more logical one if you go mages"

>>714842534
If she was insane then how was she right every time? Frankly she should have had the head enchanter dude executed and it probably would have gotten better simply because it couldnt get worse

Didn't DA2 bring Leliana and Zevran back even if you had killed them in Origins?

>>714844010
I really like the difference characterization of some characters between the rivalry and friendship paths. In Frienship Isabella, you and her are best buds who enjoy freedom while in Rival Isabella, my Hawke is a goodies-two-shoes who annoys Isabella because he keeps helping people but eventually inspire her to be a better person.

>>714842751
Meredith, a human, lasted longer around the magic bullshit than a dwarf, who are basically immune to the magic bullshit of the less powerful blue stuff

>>714842751
Meredith isn't controlled by the magic thing until the very last minute of the game because everything goes to shit all at once. Thanks to a mage.

>>714817204 (OP)
Uhm actually neither mages nor templars are at fault, both sides have been manipulated by mystery niggers all along. Dont you know your lore???

>>714844191
It's the same in both factions. The Templars want to go rogue because they hates the Church for telling them to not abuse the mages anymore. They basically buy into their own bullshit and justify everything they do was right. The corrupt lyrium was after the joined the bad guys side. The mages also only joined because literally no one want to help them up to that point, then they got red lyrium insert in them like the Templar.

>>714844341
>Meredith, a human, lasted longer around the magic bullshit than a dwarf, who are basically immune to the magic bullshit of the less powerful blue stuff
Did she? She was become more brutal and it was because the influence of the red lyrium. She wasn't more resisted, it just affect her difference that the dwarf

>>714843786
(you) the proptagonist
no matter what you do in the game in the end you will Meredeth and the Kirkwall circle will be fall just as the jew...ah i mean mages wanted all along

>>714844449
>The corrupt lyrium was after the joined the bad guys side
No, the corrupt lyrium is done in secret by the bad guys while the Templars are hold up away from the mess to get take over the Templars because they weren't going to side with them. The mages side with the venatori just because they want to feel big.

>>714844280
Zevran only appears if you didn't kill him in DAO
and Leliana mysterious return in 2 was explained in the end of Inquisition

>>714844528
Yes she did you retard, she only became more brutal because more and more mage bullshit was going on and Orsino continued to undermine her. The dwarves went insane within days of finding the red lyrium, Meredith had it strapped on her back for years

>>714844657
>and Leliana mysterious return in 2 was explained in the end of Inquisition
lol
lmao even
I lopped her head off.

>>714844652
No, a demon pretend to be their leader (with the leader consent) and want to seperate from the church (we saw him punch the church lady). Many templar question if they should focus in the hole in the sky instead. The red lyrium was brought in later once all the once oppose the using of it was purge.

>>714844921
Red lyrium templars literally try and kill you at the meeting while the uncorrupted templars are still there

>>714817204 (OP)

/v/ is filled with brown people who will never understand that resisting and rising up against tyranny is the duty of every freedom loving man and thus always justified

>>714818123
It came across to me like the devs really wanted you to have to fight every boss no matter what just to drag out playtime.
That's basically Dragon Age 2 in a nutshell. Nothing you do matters. Everything winds up the same. What an awful fucking game.

>>714845197
that is literally confirmed via the Wiki and dev interviews, anon. See>>714844250

It never mattered anyways because some gameplay designer said "we need two boss fights"

>>714845072
So was the mage. You can literally walk around the village and hear that many mages weren't on board with joining the Tevinter but they can't do shit since half of the continent want to kill them. Then we see at the end the mages got turn into lyrium by the big bad. Same with the Templar, they were lure in by desperation and then got corrupt later. Both organization were in turmoil and the big bad use the opportunity to siege control of those organization. The mages at least understandable because everyone want to kill them but the templar just upset because they can't do whatever they want anymore.

Miss me yet?

>>714845130
Look freedom is great, Ahmed, but you don't have to blow up a church and rip the doors off the insane asylum.

>>714845197
>>714845302
is that a bad thing though? would you really want to join either of those factions as written?

>templarkeks immediatly go to ask why we dont just slaughter every mage at birth
>willfully ignoring the supernatural conditions that made Kirkwall a hellhole of insanity and madness
You guys are literally proving that Anders was right all along and dont even notice

>>714837812
He definitely got filtered by the hinterlands
tbf it's a valid complaint

>>714844528
She was in direct contact with the thing for years, the other dwarves turned into raving lunatics shortly after and they are naturally resistant, she got more extreme as time went on but didnt fully break until anders did 9/11 on the chantry and the mages started a full scale rebellion employing even more blood magic

>>714845561
It kinda hillarious when Templarkek justify the cruelty as necessary but then you get shit like people getting Tranqul because the Templar need to keep their share in the magic items market.

>>714845130
the US is one of if not THE most cucked country on the planet when it comes to resisting tyranny

>>714845561
>willfully ignoring the supernatural conditions that made Kirkwall a hellhole of insanity and madness
Blood Magic?
>Mages cause a shithole where future mages become demon meat puppets
>Somehow this is the templars fault

We meet two mages in the entire series that aren't absolute tools, and it's Viv and Wynne

>>714845561
>willfully ignoring the supernatural conditions that made Kirkwall a hellhole of insanity and madness
So did they when they made the fucking Circle there, literally put it anywhere but the blood magic indian burial ground

>>714845561
The supernatural conditions caused by tevinter blood mages yes. That's the templars fault somehow?

>>714845758
and we can't romance either of them properly

>>714845758
>>Somehow this is the templars fault
Yes because the Templar did nothing to add fuel to the flame. Like abusing their power to sexual assault mages, or forcefully Tranquil mages to make money, or kill any mages who spoke out again the abuse. Demons can only possessed people who are either willing or emotional unstable enough and the templars basically gave every mages the choice of accepting being abused or sign the contract with demons

>>714845758
Yet another case of some anon so desperate to justify opression and needless cruelty, he still pretends to be wholly ignorant about causes and effects of radicalization

>>714845942
>Demons can only possessed people who are either willing or emotional unstable enough
So the circles weren't formed because mages historically acted like niggers and consorted with demons and Templars weren't founded to protect the average Joe peasant from magic niggers?

>>714845942
>Yes because the Templar did nothing to add fuel to the flame. Like abusing their power to sexual assault mages,
Blood mages.
> or forcefully Tranquil mages to make money,
Blood mages.
or kill any mages who spoke out again the abuse.
Because they were also blood mages.

The Qunari might be savages, but they're the only ones in this shithole setting that know how to treat mages.

>>714845854
>it is GOOD to establish a tyrannical regime and lobotimize people randomly because.... uhm.... well like 2000 years ago these other people did a bad thing
You are again proving Anders was right and reform through dialogue and chantry was an impossibility

>>714846112
Correct reforming mages is impossible they're niggers by nature, the only solution is the final solution to the mage problem.

>>714846096
>The Qunari might be savages, but they're the only ones in this shithole setting that know how to treat mages.
This is why there will be always people like Anders, rising up against you cruelty. And you´re too blind to even realize. Its amazing

>>714846112
What are you talking avout 2000 years ago for, basically every mage encounter with hawke leads to demons

>>714846193
anders was just a retard though, he was dead the second he got stuck with the demon

>>714846171
and this is why they blow you up and are justified in doing so, retard. The secret solution is simply dont treat them like cattle and restraint your power fantasies.

>>714846112
>2000 years ago
Hawke's mom was murdered by a blood mage 2000 years ago? Orsino turned into a big flesh golem 2000 years ago? The Fereldan circle was stuffed with demon dealing retards 2000 years ago?

>>714818123
the game tried to "both sides" it except the only way to make it look like the templars had a point was to pull that stupid shit and make them all suddenly evil faggots

>>714846218
>anon unable to grasp simple cause and effect in a radicalized enviroment that pushes people into extremism
Are you 12?

>>714846279
>Don't keep mages in check
>They found a slavery empire based entirely on blood magic
Dumb ESL niggerbabbon

>>714845130
>don't murder people and reanimate their corpses or drain their lifeforce to make yourself stronger otherwise you are being Ie oppressed

>>714846436
Many don't do that and still being oppressed because the Templars can do whatever they want

>>714846279
>Hurt the mages
>They turn to blood mages

>Help the mages
>they turn to blood mages.

Mages deserve no mercy.

>>714846370
>Don't keep non-mage in check
>They turn into the French

>>714820329
you're also forgetting that they were trying to Mass Effect the series too, ME2 had come out like a year earlier and done fucking gangbusters despite it simplifying a bunch of its mechanics and turning into an action shooter so EA looked at that and likely told them to "make Dragon Age 2 more like that," both games are shockingly similar the difference is that they clearly gave more of a shit about one franchise over the other

>>714817204 (OP)
I can never really take a "powered people are oppressed guys" story seriously because what exactly is the option for normal people, just roll over and hope one of them doesn't turn into a power-hungry omega murderrapist that dominates a whole country?

>>714846506
History shows that they would very much do that if the Templars didn't exist

Feels like they tried to have modern morality supporting a fantasy group of people who, through no fault of their own mind you, actually ARE inherently dangerous to themselves and others around them.
The Templars do get too heavy handed on more than a few occasions and mages are still people but that doesn't change the fact that they are super dangerous all the time being potential gateways to dreamhell and and all that.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong since it's been years and I never played past 2 so maybe there's some more fade/mage revelations there but from the first 2 game mages 100% need to be regulated.

>>714846112
>>it is GOOD to establish a tyrannical regime and lobotimize people randomly because
because if they don't it's entirely possible for the mages to just explode into demons. Which you might realize is ALSO A REALLY BAD THING FOR THE MAGES. They suffer the most from the volatility of magic.
The events of DA:O show what happens when the Circle loses control of its members. It just takes one mage being ambitious and power-hungry to end up killing dozens of other mages by turning them into abominations. The only reason it didn't get worse and spread further is because the templars were there and because Wynne is a motherfucking real one.

Wynne is by far the most intelligent, capable, and wisest mage in the setting and she openly supports the Circle and thinks it's a good thing for Mages, because it protects them as much as it protects others from them. Mages, by their nature, are very volatile to their surroundings and to themselves. The Circle gives them a place where they can't harm others and where they can't be harmed by others as easily. This isn't a case of people being wrongly and unjustly imprisoned. The Circle is as much for the protection of mages as it is the protection of others, because being a mage is INCREDIBLY dangerous.

Mind you, I don't know if they retconned anything in DA:I, because I never played it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they removed the nuance and intrigue of the situation for the sake of generic TEMPLARS BAD.

>>714845554
>chantry
>church
pick one, the chantry is basically a military base filled with templar cucks

>>714846859
A military base filled with templar chicks...

>>714846859
Deus vult, Ahmed.
The Chantry is indeed, the church.

>>714846712
Not being a dick to the mages? There is a difference between taking appropriate measures and just being dick. The Templars started out as appropriate measure but overtime turn into abuse since no one can touch them. They need a reform but no one want to touch the existed power structure.
>>714846832
Which part of lobotomize people for profit is good for them? The problem is that the Templars were being a dick for no reason most of the time because they can and the templars don't have to answer to anyone. The Templars tell the public and themselves that what they are doing is good but it was no longer good by the time DAO started. The Templar is an old institution that refuse to change and now all of their problems rear their ugly head.

>>714846832
>Mind you, I don't know if they retconned anything in DA:I, because I never played it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they removed the nuance and intrigue of the situation for the sake of generic TEMPLARS BAD.

DAI actually hands you another mage companion who fully supports the circle.

>>714847073
No one was a dick to the mages in Tevinter. Where are they now?

>>714846347
The mages consistently act like niggers and thus should be treated like so

>>714847128
And she's one of the only reasonable and respectable mages in the entire setting.

>>714847138
>No one was a dick to the mages in Tevinter
they were that's why they revolted and took over the city

>>714847138
>No one was a dick to the mages in Tevinter
The mages in Tevinter being a dick to mages in Tevinter. Despite what people in the South think, Tevinter is actually run by powerful families, some are from ancient mage bloodline but some are new blood who can hire mages.
Really Tevinter care more about political power and magic is just happen to be political power in Tevinter.
>>714847208
And just happen to was lucky enough to be in one of the better circle where the Templars are nice.

>>714847073
>The Templars started out as appropriate measure but overtime turn into abuse since no one can touch them
There isn't even a single example of this in Origins and you can travel to Lothering with Morrigan who is an apostate and the Templars just go "I don't care please don't cause trouble." Even Irving the most militant character behind Loghain is cordial and civil with Irving and the other mages only keeping unbiased order.

>>714847239
The city where they don't practice slavery, consort with demons and openly use blood magic? You know since Mages are good boys who wouldn't never do that sort of thing if the Templars aren't around.

>>714847375
Going by Veilguard, yes, actually.

Reminder that southern cucks are spineless loosers who would rather grovel at the feet of a elven whore larping as Prophetess and submit to woman priests than embrace superpowers which are out natural born right.

Elves SHOULD be enslaved. Qunari SHOULD be sacrifices. FUCK the Chantry. FUCK the revered Mothers and their shriveled cunts.

HEIL TEVINTER, the greatest human empire the world has ever seen.

>>714847371
Simply because the Fereldan mages were better behaved than the kirkwall ones.
The Templars still held ultimate life and death authority but they were far more reasonable than the kirkwall branch and likewise there was considerably less fucking around with demons and bloodmagic with the fereldan circle compared to the kirkwall one. Hell there was even less apostate bloodmages to boot.

>>714848047
But its not about being behaved its just a give-and-take relationship between the two. Templars have to take drugs, be disciplined and expect to devote their entire lives to justice and protecting people from not just mages but other threats. Mages are literal walking pocket nukes who can leave the Circle on business or missions, study everything so long as its not a human right's violation. Seriously all the mages have to do is not be psychopathic, power hungry murderers or even allude to such ideas.

>>714848189
>you need special permit to leave your workplace
>a religious faction of people allowed to lobotimize or kill you constantly breathes down your neck
>just submit like good little cattle and everything will be ok
Tevinter was right about Andraste

I got spoiled on DAI so now I have to choose between mistress ending or warden ending for the keep

Idk if a cameo is worth killing my Hawke

>>714848358
>getting too worked up summons demons
there's a reason

>>714818625
It's very subtle writing about not all mages are criminals, just almost all of them.

>>714848358
>you need special permit to leave your workplace
Because you're a walking nuke.
>a religious faction of people allowed to lobotimize or kill you constantly breathes down your neck
With probable cause. Failures get lobotomized which is unfortunate, people who commit actual crimes get killed like in any civilized society. Unless you're brown and think rules don't matter.
>just submit like good little cattle and everything will be ok
The alternative created The Blight. See the issue is theres no scenario of magic users living like Jedi hermits who protect the innocent. They do the opposite. Yeah it would be nice but they validate their own stereotype.

>>714848579
>Because you're a walking nuke.
Reminder that Tevinter is till the greatest, most prosperous and most advanced empire in the world, after thousands of years of constant mage rule
>With probable cause. Failures get lobotomized which is unfortunate
Spoken like a true southern chantry villain
>The alternative created The Blight.
No, the elves did. This is why we enslave them

>>714845130
Anders literally supported selling Fenris to slavery

Mind you Fenris rejected Sebastian's plot to send Anders to the Gallows

>>714848967
>No, the elves did
The magical ones

>>714849272
Based. Fenris is rightful property of the Tevinter empire and an unhinged and hate filled insurgent against the imperial state

>>714846806
IIRC If you get Iron Bull and Dorian sleep together then he mentions Dorian setting things on fire in the middle of sex.

>>714849389
>isabela wrote fanfiction of fenris getting raped by his master
da2 companions were unhinged

>>714848967
>Reminder that Tevinter is till the greatest, most prosperous
Surpassed by Orlais losing a war to 8 foot tall Islamic adjacents from a tropical island far to the North.

>>714848536
why do people compare mages to real life races

human races are largely just stereotypes they dont have massive power gaps like summoning the elements or literally draining your life force

>>714850704
replied to the wrong person also
*human racism is
i should not be up at 3am anons i have work tomorrow

Around mages, bring cages.

>>714850704
Stereotypes and xenophobia are rooted in truths. Sure theres exaggerations but 100% of the time the people feed these stigmas. Like Jews being conniving vermin or Indians being so abhorrent that neanderthals or chimpanzees would find them repulsive. You got a handful of good ones who may have 1 bad trait amidst the millions who do a disservice to any goodwill.

Mages in DA are the same way. For every Wynne or Irving theres your Jowans, Uldreds, Zathrians, Caladrius, Flemeths, the 100+ blood mage enemies you kill. All magic users using it for personal gain or the suffering of others. So they kill any hope of an understanding happening. Thats just life. Yeah it sucks and it would be nice if we could all hold hands but it won't work that way. You would need to fundamentally alter the DNA of societies undesirables.

>>714851367
Plenty of non-mage enemies abuse their power as well they just don't have the capacity to be as destructive as a mage. Whereas anyone could bomb or shoot people irl there are things only mages can do in the DAverse for better or for worse.

>>714851367
There was, was being the keyword, loads of "good" indians who weren't part of the slave caste retard masses. Indias problem is India is a fucking shithole and anyone who wasn't a shiteating pajeet left like 50 years ago.
So you've got massive brain drain/skill deficiency combined with he double whammy of mass outsourcing for slave labour AND technology becoming more accessible for the literal shit eaters.
This is to say there should be a great initiative to set up the great poo-wall and fence off india, digitally and physically from the rest of the world because there is nothing good left.

>>714852553
But theres laws and organizations in place in DA and real life to tackle and punish crimes like arson, thievery, murder, rape, corruption etc. Mages just hate that they also have rules and consequences and regulations in place for them. Ones that are more extreme because they can turn evil or get taken over by demons. Most mages literally want a world where its “rules for me not for thee” rather than one of self-improvement and disproving any negative connotations associated with them.

>>714817204 (OP)
Templars and the Church are all retards
just like the church irl it needs to be destroyed, all religion not Japan or Yurop paganism needs to be destroyed.

>>714834810
>Sorry, but are we supposed to feel sorry the Knife ears are slaves?
I'm glad you agree that Germans should be enslaved by the Jews for what they did to them, The British by Indians, the French by Africans, the Chinese by everyone including themselves, and so on.

>>714848189
>Templars have to take drugs, be disciplined and expect to devote their entire lives to justice and protecting people
Yet most don't. Most abuse their power and get away with it because the targets of their abuse are mages. Most templars are crack addict who let power get into their head. After all, to them, they are the good guys and everything they do is right.

>>714853217
>But theres laws and organizations in place in DA
And they barely got enforced. The problem is that the abuse of power does happen and no one are doing anything about it. The Templars don't want people breath down their neck to check if they actually vigilant or not while happily breathing down the mages' necks. Most mages want to be left alone and be a mage isn't a choice they can make. If a templar abuse a mage, it's the mage in the wrong and the templar is in the right, regardless of context.

>>714817204 (OP)
Mages and elves should ironically be genocided. Every problem in Thedas can be traced back to them somehow.