Thread 714821896

>One game a year, every one of them sold over a million copies
>Two big budget Hollywood movies
>An extremely popular comic book series
>Successful Toyline
>Lara herself was a spokesmodel in commercials outside of the games.
>By 2004 it was all gone
What happened?

handed to subversives who hate it like all rebooted media

>>714821896 (OP)
>By 2004 it was all gone
Not really. Legend still sold millions of copies. Anniversary did notably worse than Legend, but still managed to sell over a million. Then Underworld sold several million copies, as did the first reboot game. Dunno about the games after that.

The 2013 reboot is literally the best selling Tomb Raider game.

The last mainline game sold over 8 million copies.

>>714821896 (OP)
SEXO ORIGINAL LARA, FUCK NU-LARA FUCKING FAGGOT ASS ZOOMER NIGGERS KYS

>>714822649
>>714822819
Yeah but Lara doesn't have nearly the pop culture footprint she had.

>>714822649
>>714822819
Based. NuLara won.

My wife nuLara!
>>714823046
I love her!

>>714822990
True. Nowadays games need to sell at least 50 million copies to zoomers and gen alpha kids to have a notable impact on pop culture.

Horses

>>714822990
Gaming was so much smaller back then and there were fewer new titles coming out in the 90s-00s.

>>714821896 (OP)
Core Design was burned out, the corporate owners couldn't understand that over production on a franchise will make people grow tired of it.

It didn't help that the second Anglina Jolie movie was a box office bust ether.

Anyway I do believe Classic Lara still has an audience, the question is that will Crystal Dynamics actually want to make money or will they still try to deny customers what they want?

>>714823412
>that comic

>>714824018
>Anyway I do believe Classic Lara still has an audience, the question is that will Crystal Dynamics actually want to make money or will they still try to deny customers what they want?
Oh they are absolutely gonna try to push a neutered "Unified" Lara.

>>714823573
No you don't.

You can make a low budget AA Tomb Raider that appeals to fans and it actually make a profit.

>>714822649
What about inflation & or market expansion adjustment?

>>714824163
The terrible reception of the Netflix cartoon really threw a wrench in the works at Crystal Dynamics.

I hear they are having to change a bunch of things with the India based TR game they have been working on.

If their new game is a failure, Embracer Group will cut them off from Tomb Raider forever.

>>714824493
They are stubborn, they are absolutely gonna push a Lesbian lara one more time.

>>714821896 (OP)
Too much of a good thing too quickly. Should've had spaced out the releases more to allow proper gameplay evolution and prevent series fatigue. The original TR game was for its time a marvel of tech and game design. By the 3rd game the series was already starting to look dated.

The Legend series was pretty successful so I have no idea wtf that 2013 game was.

>>714824956
Well, the 2013 game alone outsold the entire Legend trilogy put together.

>>714824956
>I have no idea wtf that 2013 game was.
Just Uncharted with a girl. Uncharted was the adventure franchise of the day and people still wanted more. Money wise it was the correct call.

>>714822649
1990s =/= 2010s in terms of gaming popularity you fucking retarded dipshit

>>714825541
Cope.

>>714824493
all netflix cartoons are garbage

>>714825541
Millions more people played it and the game remains highly rated based on actual player reviews. NuLara is objectively more popular.

>>714825327
The reboot trilogy sold worse with each installment, ending with Square Enix selling TR and Crystal Dynamics to Embracer Group.

>>714825749
>canceled

Oof, Lara dodged a bullet with that one.

Rise and Shadow fucked up by doubling down on boring open areas with shitty side quests and empty busywork filler.

>>714821896 (OP)
i NEED games where you play as sexy women. western/anime as long as you play as a hot women doing action stuff.
games i played:
>lollipop chainsaw
>x-blades
>heavenly sword
i know there's way more, but need names, i want to get a erection while playing a fun game

>>714821896 (OP)
Tank platforming was actually fun but only palatable to people in the psx era. Once the gameplay is streamlined out by replacing it with find the "platforming" track and hold up all you're left with is the movie aspect and the movie sucks.

>>714823412
>Yuna (2013)
Still, a decent overview. Comic black chick also has the South of Midnight chick now.

Honestly having replayed Angel of Darkness, its not nearly as bad as I remember. Blatantly unfinished yes but there is a lot I like about the game.

>>714826935
>Completely erases Heather Gibson and Vicky Arnold's contributions to the original trilogy.

Core Design fucked up the PS2 gen, Crystal dynamics did not know what to do with the ruins. The Reboot saved the franchise honestly.I think the trilogy was good

>>714825749
Wasn't this canned and they are now trying to push it as an original project?

>>714828065
>Crystal Dynamics
>Turned a confident, badass woman who was always in control of the situation into a simpering trauma magnet who is defined by her daddy issues.

>>714826235
Anniversary was a good compromise, wasn't as frustrating as tank platforming but still had you put thought into what you were doing because it allowed for deviating paths and wasn't plastered with white paint plus some of the timings were surprisingly tight.

Remember when you could actually make characters sexy?

>>714827183
Decent, not exceptionally good. There are a number of mistakes and ommissions.

>>714824493
>Embracer Group will cut them off from Tomb Raider forever
Why don't they cut them off now? They were always a bunch of hacks.

Comic book collection is delivered to me today!

>>714821896 (OP)
those movies suck so fucking bad lmao

>>714823412
>low empathy knuckledraggers absolutely NEED characters to look like themselves
Funny how Lara Croft being a busty aristocratic woman didn't stop millions of men from being able to engage with her.

>>714829651
Not always, their older tomb raider games were good and Lara looked her best under them.

>>714829804
Jesus christ anon I need moar

>classic lara
>pin ups
>classy pics saved


>nu lara
>hounds
>wolves
>shotas
>horses

very based. nu lara is for degradation fetish.

>>714823154
I need to dick her down with my massive monster

>>714833014
How massive...
>>714832369
>>hounds
>>wolves
>>shotas
>>horses
She's so popular!

Lara is a lesbian. Deal with it Chuds.

>>714834421
7 inches and almost 7 girth

>>714832369
Yeah I'm curious as to why Nu Lara has so much degrading porn of her.

>>714837749
The nu lara character is awful in conception and only deserving to be degraded.

>The Remasters and the reprints of the classic comics doing well proves theres still a market for Classic Lara
>Crystal Dynamics will make no attempts to course correct from Nu Lara.

>>714837749
lara with horse ruined her

>>714838238
guh

>>714837749
Because the first nulara game was for gurochads and that set the tone

>>714838480
Holy shit

>>714838480
that's mean

>>714825749
This was cancelled because of "creative diferences"

it's sad the most generic gacha characters have replaced lara in popularity

>>714838480
>those moans and wails

someones fetish at crystal dynamics lmao.

>>714838480
Is she ok?

>>714838860
If I had to guess, the people making the game wanted to lecture the players about how Tomb Raider is bad.

>>714837679
>almost 7 girth

>>714832369
>>714837749
Classic Lara was confident, proudly sexy, classically beautiful & defined features, and aristocratic without being a cunt about it.
Nowadays she'd get mostly dominatrix type porn, like FFVII Scarlett.

nuLara is pitiful, constantly in over her head, has little confidence, has soft cuter more innocent looks, and whether justified or not is viewed as a more 'feminist' version of the character.
Therefore most of her porn seeks to intensely degrade her as a person.

>>714839275
I'm serious, white too

>>714839162
Yep!

>>714821896 (OP)
Nobody really cared about TR. There was just less of it and the funny pointy boobs could carry a nothingburger far.

>Nu Lara is constantly degraded, traumatized and humiliated
How is this considered the more progressive character? Because she wore pants?

>>714823412
>it's the batman figurine experiment all over again

>>714840185
She's not a "man with tits" and doesn't get sexualized, I guess?

>>714822990
Nothing makes a pop culture footprint with the Internet making things come and go so fast.

>>714840493
The what?

Best look for Lara.

>>714840918
I will spoonfeed you just this once.

>>714839170
You have no idea how sickeningly woke evil hat is

>>714841649
What are some horror stories?

>>714828076
Yep, cancelled but they are going to do their own not-Tomb Raider.

>>714824493
>>714839170
One thing I don’t get is why they keep trying to hammer in how bad "tomb raiding" is when that’s literally what the Tomb Raider franchise is built around. Sure, you can say the British or other Western countries stole cultural heritage, but in many cases, those artifacts would have been destroyed, lost, or looted by others anyway. And a lot of the cultures in Tomb Raider are ancient—they predate the modern populations living there by thousands of years, so it’s not like anyone today has an exclusive claim to them.

Also, the West has done more than any other part of the world to restore and preserve these artifacts—often in top-tier museums where they’re safe and accessible to global audiences. I get that the series wants to move in a different direction, but it feels like they're going overboard trying to paint preservation efforts as inherently evil.

>>714822990
More things come out now and the internet lets them get shared faster and farther than ever.

>>714840185
I liked how the old Lara was really in it for herself more than anything. Yeah, she’d end up saving the world along the way, but at the core, she was a thrill-seeker — doing it all because she wanted to, not because she had to. That selfish edge made her stand out.

I don’t get the obsession with giving her a tragic backstory, emotional trauma, or a group of quirky side characters she needs to “learn to open up to.” It feels like they’re trying to force her into a mold that doesn’t fit — turning her into another reluctant hero instead of letting her just be the badass explorer with attitude that she originally was.

>>714838480
Violence is okay but God forbid Lara is sexy.

>>714841823
Because media that portrays things they disagree with should not exist even when they are using it for a product that they're selling. If they could get the original lecture media they want to make based on they're own ideas approved by publishers they would, but they don't have the talent to think of original ideas so they latch onto existing things that keep getting reused.

>>714821896 (OP)
Nulara give us some good porn but they forgot the core gameplay of tomb raider and turn it into a aaa cinematic movieslop

>>714838925
Remember they got in trouble for a scene where it looked like she was going to get raped

Someone at CD found the idea of Lara getting raped and/or murdered very appealing whereas all I wanted was sweaty athletic sex with an athletic big tiddie woman

I guess I'm just not feminist enough in the current year

>>714837749
Wasn't nuLara tied up at the mercy of the bad guys at least once in all those games?

>>714842434
See strong, badass confident woman is out. Whats in is lesbian trauma magnet with daddy issues..

>>714842683
What has that got to do with not being almost raped?

>>714840185
The death scenes make it pretty clear it's about retribution for past inferiority complex triggering. Ironically the guys making beast porn of her push this aim further.

>>714838480
For the life of me it's wild that the alliance of Guro/Ryona types and yas qweens exist. In retrospect given women love death and danger and murder it shouldn't surprise me. Dollars to donuts the yas qween anti-sex types have folders full of Ryona/guro like that.

>>714843046
As a proud misogynist I have folders of disgusting shit like kissing, foreplay, and pregnancy

>>714825541
>>714824460
People will call me crazy for this but gaming was unironically bigger in terms of numbers of serious players in the 90s-00s.

Nowadays it's bigger only thanks to gacha and aunt games.

>>714841732
Gaze on their works and despair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirsty_Sword_Lesbians

>>714842434
Sounds like a real Neill druckman. I get trying to make a NuLara vulnerable but they took it too far in some places

>>714844006
I get what they were going for but it's like they were more interested in the journey and violently allergic to the destination

>>714843908
So basically Utena with worse art.

>>714842434
You'd be saying it was kino if nu Lara had big plastic tits

>>714844297
There's plenty big tiddie bimbos I don't give a shit about though

What are the chances Crystal Dynamic will actually course correct?

>>714829804
Made for BWC

>>714821896 (OP)
Ameriqiqes hating on big titties.

Hey what ever happened to that Amazon Tomb Raider movie?

It surprised me to find out that, once I started playing the Tomb Raider games, that I didn't enjoy a single one of them.

Tried the classic games, tried the first reboot games, tried the latest reboot games. Disliked all of them.

I just really didn't expect that to happen. I thought I would like one era while disliking another era but not disliking EVERY era. Very disappointing.

>>714844910
Women protagonists are a meme

>>714823412
ngl i genuinely don't have an issue with "things that look like you" but i do have a problem with turning famous white girls black, why not just make good black girls instead?

Everyone talks about Lara but nobody talks about gameplay.

Are there ANY OTHER GAMES with gameplay like the classic Tomb Raiders?
Anything AT ALL?
They're pretty unique as far as I know. A precise 3D platformer that's almost puzzlelike with its 100% predictable movement feats and grid-based level geometry.

>>714845432
Thief 1 and 2 but they're first person and much better designed lol

>>714845539
sorry the thief games have nothing to do with tomb raider's movement model and why the fuck are you even comparing stealth games to action platformers what the fuck are you drunk

>>714821896 (OP)
You aren't aloud to make games with attractive women anymore, chud

>>714824018
Eh, the remasters were pretty fucking damn successful and Crystal Dynsmics couldn't care less.

>>714845730
I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about the level navigation and traversal aspects not the exact gameplay design.

>>714846150
yeah no

>>714846463
Filtered.

>>714846463
Holy fuck I hated that level.
Fuck sewer levels.

>>714821896 (OP)
You can only beat the same pony so much..

>>714845126
Old Lara is such a leggy lady, I love it

>>714829804
>those titty veins
nigga I am DROOLING

>>714845929
You mean "allowed," ESL-chan. And go touch some grass, the only thing stopping devs from putting attractive women in games is their own lack of balls and creativity. It's not 2015 anymore, you're just coping because your waifu got nerfed.

>>714822649
>>714823046
>>714825758

market was 100x bigger and had AAA budget, an yet, after the IP hype dissipated, the rest wesnt to shit to the point of the IP beign sold for pennies

nuLara flopped hard

>>714851350
NTA but
>the only thing stopping devs from putting attractive women in games is their own lack of balls
is probably ESL anon's point

>>714829804
There's a baby horse inside that belly.

>>714825327
IP hype. Lots of people wanted the real Lara. When it didn't happen they didn't come back.
Taht's why anything since then flopped more and more

>>714851350
Your wrong. That could of been a native speaker. Their the ones to base their writing on phonetics, not the other way around.
Hell, it's hard to even imitate this kind of thing if you aren't a native speaker.

>>714822990
Why does everything need to last forever

>>714852063
You tell me, you're the only one who brought that up.

>>714828065
>The Reboot saved the franchise honestly.
Bastardization and destruction of identity is not saving. Better dead than that fate.
>I think the trilogy was good
Then you don't think

>>714829881
Fist one was passable. Seecond one was subpar.
The rest doesnt' exist

>>714837217
NuLara and her mental illnesses are no concern to me

>>714840185
>How is this considered the more progressive character? Because she wore pants?

>>714844297
She would still be ugly desexualized shit

>>714844428
Crysta Dynamics?
0,00%
They will die woke after going broke

You should just hope that the IP will one day end in the hands of someon worthy, before people forget how the real Lara was supposed to be.

>>714845332
Because those people cannot create, and they didn't infiltrate the industry to create either way

Dagger of Xian's remake with a few levels proves there's a market for it, people were extremely fucking excited to play what Nicobass made. It also had unapologetic sexy OG Lara with big tits.

It would sell and be popular, same with tank controls and that specific style of gameplay (it could be modernized slightly without being retarded - make Lara's movements faster, more fluid and more cancellable for instance) but Crystal Dynamics fucking sucks and they know that Uncharted with Lara in a state of permanent cock-envy is safer and easier to market. Nu Lara, in my opinion, is extremely unattractive.

>>714852063
I'm ok with things dying. I'm not ok with things not staying dead and getting bastardized