How is the Xbox 360 not retro now that it's almost 20 years old? The NES was considered retro in 2000 when it was 15.

Because games haven't changed since 2010.

>>714822170 (OP)
Retro is a style from an age
Not just the system being old

We hit the point of diminishing returns with the 7th gen so even though the 360 is old as shit at this point it's not perceived that way.

It IS retro. DX9/DX10/DX11 are officially considered to be "legacy APIs" on PC. DXVK exists precisely to turn those retro APIs to something usable by a modern API (Vulkan).

Xbox 360 is DirectX 9+. It has features from DX10 (unified shaders) but not all the features.

>>714822170 (OP)
because the xbox 360 literally had no good exclusives except halo which has been re released as MCC

>>714822301
>>714822417
grim

The games aren't really that much different and only marginally better looking.

I remember having to sit on customer service a lot as a young teenager having to deal with indians every other month because the thing kept red ringing, It's not nostalgic for me.

It uses ATI GPU. It's by all accounts retro like Gamecube.

"Retro" is a style, it does not mean "x years old".

>>714822170 (OP)
because niggers

>>714822301
this
When /vr/ was first created, Dreamcast was only ~13 years old. It's not about amount of time, but the style of games before 2006-ish.

>>714823197
the style is the way it is because of the hardware/software age.

like xbox 360 games looked the way they did because the games were forward render instead of deferred render

Discs can't be "retro". This is a hill I will die on.

>>714823197
This came out in 2007 running on hardware of the same time period. You can tell zoomers that this came out in 2025 if you hid the ATI logo.

I keep debating if I want to pick up a 360 or not, and then I go even further down the rabbit hole of whether or not I want to buy one and mod it, buy one that's modded already, or just suck it up and buy a bunch of games for cheap as chips.

>>714822170 (OP)
We are the age of cultural stagnation.

>>714823997
That's one way to look at it. The correct way is that we are the peak and it's all down hill from here.

By that time most of the kinds of games you played on the NES were too limited compared to the newest games of that time. Modern games are mostly the same as what the 360 had just with higher resolutions and more graphic details.

Gaylo is not retro

>>714822170 (OP)
The only difference between a 360 game and games from current years is the resolution and frame rate. Other than that, no real graphics improvements where made from that era.

>>714822170 (OP)
Technically it is retro, but in a practical sense, there hasn't been any major shift in the games or graphics since 7th gen.

One of the best selling games of 2025 is just a remaster of a 7th gen game.

>>714822301
Damn

>>714823616
no you could not, that face and those ice textures look horrible (by today's standards)

>>714823051
Up here in Leafland they would send you a replacement console and never ask you to return it. So you get your fixed console and an extra console for free. I ended up getting 5 360s because of it. Fucking loved it.

>>714829101
Filthy Canadian

>>714822170 (OP)
I can't believe the only soft hack this has is temporary and only works 25% of the time, IBM really knew their shit.
The only thing I can give to Nintendo is that their consoles are easy to hack.

>>714822170 (OP)
>How is the Xbox 360 not retro now that it's almost 20 years old?
Because

>internet connection
>HDMI port
>HDD built in and replaceable
>Wireless controller connection
>poor quality build controller compared to actual retro consoles
>updates and patches
You know... ALL THE SHIT YOU STILL USE IN MODERN GAMING! Also; >>714822301

>>714822301
I mean.... damn.
Yeah, the changes have been so insignificant they are barely worth caring about.
>>714822170 (OP)
I thought they technically were.

with hard drives starting to fail and the requirement to use branded drives (fuck you microsoft) a modchip is basically mandatory
where do you find people who install them?

>>714823714
Buy one that’s modded already, zero point owning physicals of it cause if you play the bigger games you’re just gonna change disks every hour or so, wasn’t looking forward to shit like that. What I did is I got a 2tb external SSD, placed everything on their and all the working and good OG XB games on the internal drive and just let er rip. Buy one off eBay, there’s this one Quebec*id who only sells one console per day for really fucking cheap like 120cad so you gotta catch him early, high quality job, repastes the thing, sets everything up for you but with a little research you can customize it for your own purposes. If you miss him he’ll just have another one ready the next day. Good luck and have fun my man.

>>714828754
nigga you wouldnt know what year its from if i didnt tell you

>>714822301

This is the real answer. If modern games were like what we thought SAO would be yes they would be retro. There really isn't much difference now and back then

>>714832883
>with hard drives starting to fail and the requirement to use branded drives
??? this shit is easily fixed. Bad update and then format any given HDD + insert "official" firmware to be reckognized as such.

>>714822170 (OP)
>How is the Xbox 360 not retro now that it's almost 20 years old?
It's boomers gatekeeping as usual.

>>714833278
The firmware trick only works on WD drives with a specific serial number, if that's not true please link me the right info

>>714833543
AFAIK it works with any HDD, it's with WD and Seagate that the console easily accepts them as official. Others require more fiddling to be used on their console

>>714832883
>where do you find people who install them?
Modsville USA

>>714833630
From what I'm reading it's WD drives before 2020 and the any drive method can brick the HDD
https://consolemods.org/wiki/Xbox_360:Upgrading_your_Hard_Drive

>>714833862
>any drive method can brick the HDD
They're cheap by now, not a real problem. Never read someone that upgraded/added HDD to their 360 and had the drive bricked before

>>714832986
You're a retard if you think that passes as something made now, outside of being a retro low budget indie game.

>>714822170 (OP)

>>714822170 (OP)
the jump between 7th to 9th gen consoles is a lot less than the jump between earlier gens. like 3rd to 4th was a huge jump, literally twice the power, 4th to 5th was literally another dimension in gameplay leap, and 5th to 6th we started getting photorealism but at SD, 6th to 7th we got photo realism to 1080 HD.. after that it's been much more minor upgrades. Yes you can tell the difference between a 2007 game vs a 2025 game, but the jump from a 2001 to 2007 game was much more dramatic.