Thread 714826171

Can we safely admit that it's mid now?

No, it isn't retard.
It's overrated and bad.

>>714826171 (OP)

Nope.

>>714826171 (OP)
I thought it was mid, but then I replayed it and left out thinking of it as a genuine work of art. It reaches heights that few videogames are able to.
This and its sequel are one of the few videogames I would recommend as masterpieces. They are a skillfully crafted narratives that would genuinely be impossible to replicate in any other art medium, and show the strengths of vidya as art.

Can we safely admit it's midna?

it's a medium defining masterpiece.

>>714826171 (OP)
If it was mid it wouldn't still have daily threads on /v/ after 27 years.

>>714826171 (OP)
Its the best game of its era, the foundation for several franchises and genres and it gard decently. The low native fps makes it feel sluggish but you dont keed frame perfect inputs

>>714826171 (OP)
for sure

>>714826424
I'm particularly fond of Majora's Mask themes. I recommend taking an esoteric Buddhist, Shingon, reading of the game.
Termina is a sort of four dimensional mandala. It's genuinely impressive to be able to travel through time and see the same events happen over and over again, in a sort of archetypal manner. And Link acting as a healer, curing the citizens of Termina of their ailments, even walking their shoes in the case of the transformation masks, as if he were living multiple lives.
Utlimately he becomes the Fierce Deity for his efforts, a Boddhisatva

I'll never get why OoT is a supposed trend setting masterpiece when not a lot of other games on other hardware followed its design. Like in terms of 3d adventure games, nothing else played like OoT or MM (or had similar stories or presentation), Soul Reaver 1 is the closest with its block pushing, but i'm certain OoT did not invent pushing block puzzles and i'm highly certain Tomb Raider predated OoT's Z targetting.
I found more games influenced by LttP than OoT if anything.

>>714826969
Actually note the way in which at the end of the journey you achieve Buddhahood in this very body, through the Fierce Deity transformation. You have to live all these lives, solve all these issues, heal all of Termina, then once you are at the end you have to get rid of all the masks you collected, your personas, the skandhas, false perceptions of you. This allows you to become an enlightened being and smite the evil that is Majora with ease.
Fantastic piece of art Majora's Mask.

>>714826424
>>714826969
>>714827405
Midwit

Still the GOAT.
Still makes Snoyggers mad.
All is good in the kingdom.

>>714826171 (OP)
>Can we safely admit that it's mid now?

If you're a contrarian retard maybe. It's a 9/10 game on its absolute worst day.

>>714826171 (OP)
Best game ever keep seething

>>714829061
Posting in this board was a mistake, it's impossible to talk about vidya with sincerity here.

Only flaw is unskippable cutscenes.

>>714826752
It has threads exactly because the people that grew up with it keep calling it a masterpiece even though generations afterwards played it without nostalgia or historical context and found it quite mid

>>714829329
>muh journos
Literally the only argument 64kids have left, "trust the paid shills and not your eyes" being their last resort tells you all you need to know about the actual quality of the games

>>714830257
Go back to plebbit with your pseudo bs games are just consumer products for escapism go push your retarded "narrative" somewhere else games are toys not art
And shove your literature degree

>>714826171 (OP)
This game is well before my time and even I have to admit it's kino. Majora's Mask is better THOUGH.

>>714826171 (OP)
I can watch ZFG play the randomizer every day for the rest of my life and I won’t be bored, let alone playing it for the rest of my life.

>>714826171 (OP)
can op safely admit he's a faggot now

>>714826171 (OP)
Its amazing that almost 30 years after release and this game is still mindbreaking snoys

>>714831109
Nah, I was born after the game came out and it is one of the greatest of all time.

>>714834903
Suuure lol

>>714826171 (OP)
There is STILL no game that does everything it does, but entirely better. Not one. On top of that, it innovated camera control in an era where the best offerings were tank controls and horrid lock on systems that felt like navigating molasses in a submarine piloted by a guy with cerebral palsy. Everything it did is now groundwork we still build on today. Its simple because of its nature as a ground breaker, but it makes next to no mistakes in its execution.

So, no.

>>714830257
Just remember there are more lurkers who appreciate sincere posts than there are the aggressive retards who reply with their cancerous mouth diarrhea.

>>714826171 (OP)
You can 'admit' it if that helps your mental state, but it still won't be the truth

>>714826171 (OP)
If it's "mid" by today's standards, that's a testament to how far ahead it was nearly 30 years ago.

>>714826171 (OP)
No

>>714826171 (OP)
Nope, boomers still rule this board with an iron fist.

>>714826171 (OP)
>zoomie
>opinion about a game literally older than him
No thanks

>>714835447
This. It thought it was an interesting take anon. Don't get discouraged by the shitposters.

>>714832390
>THOUGH

Seeing people trying to act like it's weird to consider OoT great is such lame posturing. Whatever you think of it, even if you don't like it, it offers such a 'complete' experience in such a way that I fail to see how someone would act like loving it is unreasonable.

Let's say you don't consider this game the GOAT. OK, fine, maybe it didn't gel with you or there's something else you prefer that's great and you got more out of it. Like, take any other game that a candidate for being the greatest. You'll get stuff like Chrono Trigger, Resident Evil 4, Megaman:Legends etc. Compare it all to N64 Zelda, and you'd be hard pressed to find anything among the other greats that's as expressive and well put together in all the ways Zelda is.

Like, you have something where you get to freely explore a well realized world through changes in time, that you can manipulate, and you also get a wealth of means of interacting with it that develop and change over the course of the game. And all this isn't 'abstracted' like in an RPG, it's all direct, physical and real time and every individual thing is unique and potentially meaningful in how it affects the environment and the people in it.

Every other great game is distinctly limited or under-realized in comparison, or just lacking in aesthetic execution.

>>714838080
Dark Souls and BotW have more engaging gameplay. And the N64 graphics haven't aged that well.

>Another thread bitching about OoT for not being dark souls dies before 40 posts
Is it autism? This thread is almost constantly up despite never going anywhere

>>714826171 (OP)
>implying that games have gotten better over time
just refer to the same series for your answer. if you're not entirely foreign to gaming you'll realize the absurdity of the masses considering shit like botw as a contender for game of all time
>>714838295
post wrist

>>714826171 (OP)
My childhood game was Zelda Collectors Edition. I always liked Majora way more

>>714841071
>if you're not entirely foreign to gaming you'll realize the absurdity of the masses considering shit like botw as a contender for game of all time
I never understood why anyone puts this game on a pedestal. It's not bad by any means, but it's empty and boring. Once you've beaten the tutorial and maybe one dungeon, you've seen it all

>>714826806
>gard

>>714826171 (OP)
> is it safe to denigrate a classic
It’s never safe zoom zoom.
I’ll have a bullet in your head the moment you open your mouth.

>>714826171 (OP)
movie game

>>714826171 (OP)
I've been saying it's overrated shit for years.
People that turned out to be losers as adults then ree at the thought somebody attacked their childhood.

>>714842956
yes and everyone has made fun of you for years snoy

>>714826171 (OP)
Cubie shitskin thread. reminder shit waker killed the series and everyone who likes it is a tranny named cosmo wright

>>714826171 (OP)
I can safely admit it's still one of the most important video games ever made

>>714842956
>>714843057
case in point

Just think, the zoomies who grew up with Ocarina of Time progressed into Last of Us

>>714826424
>>714826969
>>714827405
based ragebait

>>714843259
you'll survive

>>714838080
Megaman Legends does everything Ocarina does but better

>>714843441
What's rage baity about those posts?

>>714826171 (OP)
I'm playing it for the first time on the switch 2 and I'm enjoying it though it feels dated as the combat is kinda eh and the camera controls are fine but not preferable. I like how much character it has though and while it's very simple it feels so creative. My only major annoyance is having to go to the slow menu to change out items.

So anyway I heard this is the Citizen Kane of video games. I never watched Citizen Kane and I don't listen to journalists. What was all the buzz about?

>>714845786
They are considered classic for a reason. Even on it's own, as "dated" as they might seem, they stand on their own. The games could come up today and still hit it out of the park.
Just go play them.

How convenient, a OoT thread when I have a related question: just today they added the OST of the 3ds remake to the Nintendo music act...as a separate collection from the original n64 game, what? THE MUSIC BETWEEN THE TWO GAMES IS EXACTLY THE SAME! Luigi mansion and skyward sword only have one OST collection because the music between versions and Metroid Prime remaster actually remixes the songs so it got a separate folder, but OoT 3ds OST is the exact same one from the n64 version, why it got a separate folder?

>>714846163
Because the 3ds versions are inferior and should be segregated from the superior 64 ones.

>>714846282
The 3DS OST in the app actually has the fire temple theme, the N64 one has...some lame ass bullshit I can't remember in the actual game, it only last 40 seconds.

Why do boomers glaze this shit so hard?

>>714843305
Utterly false

>>714835247
>On top of that, it innovated camera control in an era where the best offerings were tank controls and horrid lock on systems that felt like navigating molasses in a submarine piloted by a guy with cerebral palsy.
Maybe on consoles, we already had Doom and Doom 2 showing how to actually control a character in a way that allows your movement and great camera aiming. With the only imperfection that could be argued to be its limitation on "aiming" as Doom never had vertical aiming (Heretic and Hexen had it on the same engine but that's not innovative when games prior to those had that sort of aim). Hell if you wanna argue about innovating camera control, Mario 64 already set the standards and even OoT didn't have as fluid gameplay as Mario 64 (mainly due to the framerate)

>>714826969
>>714827168
>>714827405
Fierce Deity link is almost exclusively referred to as a dark creature possibly worse than Majora. Tatl is scared of you.your more of a hindu Shiva like entitity,

It's the original normie/pleb filter and will forever be great.

>>714826171 (OP)
Why is every Nintendo thread controversy or porn?

>>714844226
Doesn't look like it.

>>714846882
You are not off, Shingon Buddhism is Tantric after all.
The mask is refered to as Kishin, which is like a Demon God, more usually translated as Wrathful Deity.
They are a class of Gods in esoteric Buddhism, usually depicted as smiters of evil demons who threaten Dharma.
The game is structured like the diamond mandala, with an emphasis on the four cardinal directions, and it is not a coincidence that the ones who you have to surrender the masks to are these demons representing those cardinal directions.
At the center lies the moon and clocktown. Who sits at the center of the Diamond Realm Mandala? Mahavairocana Buddha, the primordial cosmic Buddha, and so I would actually say that the Fierce Deity mask is a direct symbol of Fudo Myoo. Who is the Wisdom King, a Kishin, considered an emanation of Mahavairocana Buddha and seen to lay at the center of the mandala.
To further the Buddhist connection, where does the fight with Majora start? Under the Boddhi tree.

>>714837169
>>714835447
Thanks, I'm not trying to push a narrative or anything. But once I discovered these topics of Shingon Buddhism and then reaproached Majora's Mask these themes became so evident to me and made so much sense in the context of the game that I want to share it.
There's probably a lot more layers to peel.

>>714826171 (OP)
>Can we safely admit that it's mid now?
Most of you fags weren't born yet when this came out. Here is an actual overrated sacred cow for you dumbfucks.

>>714847917
And it does anyway

>>714846667
>Chess has way better controls than poker! Thus, poker is a bad game!
You're not even worth the time and effort needed to google a retarded wojak to react with

>>714850021
Nah I get it. Its fun to gain insights like that. Learning what influences the artists who influence us. Its a cool connection.

>>714850334
Not really.

I will admit OoT is close to being a blueprint to a great game, but they fumbled the execution in basically every aspect, Majora's Mask is better because it fits into its mold better

The way the game controls makes it feel like a series of scripted scenes where your inputs are as obvious and linear as a battle in a JRPG, you don't ever really feel like you're fully in control of what's happening, BOTW on the other hand went way overboard with freedom of control to the point the game feels like a toolbox/sandbox and not a designed experience

There's also the issue of the abhorrent visuals, the stupid rehashed story, the comically designed world, the dungeons being overly gamey etc but those aren't as notable as the core issue of lacking control overall

>>714850587
And yet it does anyway

>>714850679
Nah

>>714826171 (OP)
This board is millennials who have a meltdown if you merely suggest that the game they played as a kid might not be as good as they remember it being.

>>714850334
I'm annoyed by you MML pushing faggots. You have a perfectly fine game that you're right to want to tell people about and show them how great it is, but instead of doing this you always have to pick a fight with Zelda instead of letting the game stand on its own merits. It comes off like some tiny dog yapping at a known legend trying and failing to make itself look tougher, when you shouldn't need to do this, and you'd be far better better off simply pointing out how the game and its sequel is one of the few things genuinely like N64 Zelda in its own right and selling it on its actual merits.

>>714826171 (OP)
No, just like Mozart or Beethoven, it will never lose its charm.

>>714850896
Nah MML came first and did it better, the fact Nintendo had money to throw at marketing Zelda doesn't make it automatically better or legendary, as long as you don't fall for shilling schemes it's easy to acknowledge MML for it's superior merit

Disliking Majora's Mask is the real hot take

>>714851572
It's like a guy seeing people talk about the Godfather and claim he doesn't like it.
People will just think he's a faggot contrarian and a midwit.

>>714851572
It insists upon itself

>>714851572
I insist that you desist

good game
0 reason or desire to ever replay

>>714826752
Yes it would. You're literally looking at the reason why. People argue about how overrated this shit got.

>>714826171 (OP)
GOAT

>>714826171 (OP)
fuck off kid

>>714846359
The 3DS doesn't have the kino islamic chanting in the Fire Temple because Nintendo is a censoring tranny company, so N64 wins by default.

>>714826171 (OP)
nope, this is a hall of famer and I feel bad for ppl who weren't there when it launched

>>714854661
Christ, the visuals in this game are hot steaming dog shit even for a 1998 N64 title.

>>714855072
>exposing yourself as a zoomzoom this much
kek i bet you played your first game during covid you tourist

>>714835247
>it innovated camera control
The game had no camera control. It's one of the things about those games that aged the most poorly since the standard in third person games, even modern Legend of Zelda games, is to give you a means to control the game's camera instead of relying on a lock-on.

>>714846667 is right. By the time Legend of Zelda came out FPS games has already established that the way to do good movement is having the player simply have direct control of both the camera and character simultaneously and even the developers of Ocarina of Time ended up just using that approach in future games.

>>714831313
I was there when the game released.
Not a single soul who played it hated it.

>>714855072
Nah

Nothing is better.
What do you want me to play? Bethesda games? The Witcher? They're shit.

>>714854661
For me it's

Ship of Harkinian makes it goated, once again

>>714846282
OOT3D looks better than the N64 version 90% of the time and has the gameplay improvements that make it the superior versions.
The lighting in the final boss sucks as does the bottom of the well/shadow temple censorship, but that doesn't detract from how objectively superior everything else is

>>714855072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1j953aB1OE

>>714858627
It's funny how people say OoT is the best game of all time when it's not even the best N64 Zelda.

>>714832687
This but actually playing said randomizer.

>>714851572
Majora's Mask is mechanically clunky compared to OoT, the camera lags behind Link whenever Z targeting and that's just fucking annoying when OoT did it right.

>>714826508
sequel when come on

>>714860509
When Zelda finally figures out how to put the damn mirror back together.

>>714860775
just make up some random retcon-y shit like all good sequels and it turns out there is yet ANOTHER way into the twilight, but not in hyrule (please no more hyrule)

>>714860872
Honestly with how the series is, I don't think they really can leave Hyrule most of the time, if you look at the Hyrule Historia as that says the world itself is known as Hyrule.
If you ignore that though you could try to do something akin to Link's Awakening.

>>714861071
>the world itself is known as Hyrule.
Ordon is outside of Hyrule tho and I thought Hyrule historia was already retconned in BOTW and TOTK

>>714854609
It's one of the greatest games of all time, I've never seen a single person try to dispute it in any way.

>>714861164
So you didn't read this very thread?

>>714854497
3 heart run

>>714826171 (OP)
nortubel is more mid next to a zelda game

it's a fun game. it's only mid to you if you've burnt out on games that have stolen its design language.

>>714863841
>games that have stolen its design language.
Non-existent, for the supposed best game of all time it sure has no fucking influence

>>714866202
darksiders

>>714858801
holy mother of zoom

I legitimately don't enjoy playing the game but it would be stupid to suggest that it isn't one of the most important video games ever made.

For instance, I can't even imagine being dumb enough to post something like >>714866202.

>>714856268
No one's talking about hating it, the point is that it was overhyped by people who weren't exposed to enough other games, it was the equivalent of kids today claiming Fortnite is the best game ever since that's all they play