what's the point of this movement? to play call of duty forever?

>>714829390 (OP)
no Thor you know what its about

to play old call of duty forever

>>714829390 (OP)
to kill live service games. no AAA studio is going to invest in a live service game if they are legally obligated to support it forever or give up their IP

>>714829390 (OP)
I don't own a car, yet I'm still against the idea of manufacturers disabling cars after several years just cause the car model stopped making money.

>>714829390 (OP)
if that's what you want to do, sure.
but it's so you'll stop trying to rape everyone. stop trying to rape me, corporation.

if you shut off your servers i still get to play my (yes, "my", not "your") game

>>714829539
Just like they stopped making iPhones once USB-C was mandated. Can't buy an iPhone in Europe. The world moved on.

>>714829390 (OP)
To *be able* to play call of duty forever.

>>714829680
exactly

I really don't care if the developers are forced to do anything I just think if they decide to not sell or host the game anymore I can't get in trouble for reverse engineering it or hosting it

>>714829468
Why do people call the furry fucker Thor?

mossman is saving us from the great jewish trick of live service, subscriptions and streaming services.

>>714829390 (OP)
Hey pirate software, cut your hair man you looks like a troon honestly also nobody cares about blizzard

Every corporation fails the shopping cart test by default, they will never do anything that doesn't help the bottom line unless forced with the penalty of law to do so

>>714829390 (OP)
To make devs adapt to the whims of consumers for the first time in 20 years instead of vice versa

>>714829390 (OP)
silly point to make because i think that every single CoD game's multiplayer is still supported (at least on a supported platform like PC)

>>714829807
Subscriptions will most likely will be unaffected as you're explicitly paying for a limited time access.

>>714829539
>legally obligated to support it forever or give up their IP
They wouldn't have to do either of these.
Fortunately for your delusions, there's practically no chance that the EU will effectively outlaw live-service games. They will probably just say that games designed to become completely non-functional at end-of-life will need to be labeled more clearly so that customers know they're paying a one-time subscription fee to a temporary service and not buying a product. Ross will hate it because what he wants is game preservation, but it's the most likely outcome if anything happens at all.

>>714830165
Go home Thor

>>714829807
>trick
If you got tricked, or hell, if you play this slop at all, you get what you fucking deserve for supporting gaas shit to begin with.

Can we talk development? If any developers in here, for or against skg, what are your biggest concerns?
I know Ross had that guy with him on Louis's stream and RWS vouches for it as well but what are some technical hurdles not being talked about?
Are microservices that easy to abstract?
Is there a legitimate concern about server binaries being distributed to users and exposing implementation details like Activision's blunder with WW2 using Quake style networking?
How will things like the havok engine and other paid middlewares work with this initiative?

>>714829539
>if they are legally obligated to support it forever or give up their IP
Do zoomers just not know how server hosting works?

>>714830337
Did Thor recently do a 180 on his SKG stance or are you illiterate?

>>714829390 (OP)

>>714829901
Yep. Even the fucking Vita COD still works and has dozens of players at any given time. It’s clear and simple Jewish trickery

Name one good game you can't play anymore

>>714830690
I don't play gaas either. And yet companies are still going to invest ungodly amounts of resources into making them. Funny how that works.
"Vote with your wallet" doesn't work when you have companies investing trillions into advertising to sway the masses. If you wanna use that argument make advertising illegal first and then we can talk.

>>714830690
I'm sorry, I did fall for the lie that digital will save the planet, save paper, less waste and shit, my final blackpill was when my printer asked me to create a fucking account to usa the scanner and I smashed it with a hammer.

>>714830910
Auto Assault.

>>714830910
Lost Planet 2

is Ross on the spectrum or do you think he's just weird in a based way?

>>714830910
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1at1k7qIo5dgPp6K1aCrYIyAgNOjY-IhF/htmlview

>>714831040
100% on the spectrum

>>714831098
Seeing Adventure Quest Worlds on there threw me for a loop kek

>If I paid for it, I should be able to own it forever.
These people never rented a car or a room.

>>714829539
Why am I still able to play Unreal Tournament 2004 yet I don't have the right to make content in the Unreal universe.

>Say word
>Money stolen
Nooooo! Stop killing my games!

>>714829390 (OP)
I wish I could play the old CoDs forever

>>714829390 (OP)
>to play call of duty forever?
yes
not because I want to (I fucking hate CoD)
But because even if I don't like the game, people who do like it and paid for it should be free to play it as much as they fucking want to

>>714831228

Renting and purchasing are different things, child. Sit your retard ass in the corner and think about your shame.

>>714829390 (OP)
You coniving motherfucker you know what the point is stop it with these god damn troll posts fuck you!

>>714830724
>If any developers in here, for or against skg, what are your biggest concerns?
Bureaucrats shouldn't micromanage developers. The blanket expectations are unrealistic. These legislations discourage experimentation and outright lock Europeans out of games (because indie devs in Japan will absolutely not give a shit about european bureaucrats). Europe has virtually no game development (aside from a handful of big studios), and this sure as hell doesn't encourage anybody to change things.
>Are microservices that easy to abstract?
Absolutely not. Even if you have your backend, you may not have the rights to distribute the code or the binaries for it.
And even if you DO have the rights, it takes a tremendous amount of resources to get it to a level where it can be distributed to end users (because it was never meant to be used that way). You would have to maintain at least 2 applications in parallel, and that's not counting the server. Nobody makes profit from developing an alternate version of the game. Nobody should be forced to hand over their backend.
It is also not possible to define what level of operability is expected. In a world the EU envisions, everybody would need lawyers even for taking a shit.
>concern about server binaries being distributed to users and exposing implementation details
Absolutely legitimate concern. Even just providing proper documentation to the service is like painting a big ass crosshair on your forehead for hackers. And the same implementation may be used for multiple services of yours.
Instead of forcing developers to dance around idiotic legislations, the movement should have called for empowering PEOPLE to develop their own servers and emulators, and to have the right to run the shit they paid for legally even if the service ended.

>>714831358
Same. I miss playing modern warfare 1-3 and black ops 1 and 2.

>>714829539
>no AAA studio is going to invest in a live service game if they are legally obligated to support it forever
Even if SKG actually was pushing for this (it isn't), why would anyone be against this if they weren't on corpo payroll?
Give me one valid reason.

>>714831593
the movement should have called for empowering PEOPLE to develop their own servers and emulators, and to have the right to run the shit they paid for legally even if the service ended.

it is

>>714829390 (OP)
to bitch-slap the management and license holders down from their high horse, because they've gotten too greedy and are instructing the actual developers to knee-cap a product that could technically be usable indefinitely, into some kind of cripple-ware that has intentional planned obsolescence built into it.

> 90's Blizzard games
direct LAN connection availability for local multiplayer (and with other software that connects that local network to an online network; internet multiplayer, too)

> World of WarCraft from modern blizzard
you get sued for trying to run a private server and all your money is gone and possibly you get jail time for meme crimes against the corporate elite how dare you stop being a slave, back to the cotton field nigger. *whip crack*

>>714831707
It isn't. It's about crying for muh gubbermint to make the ebil corporations do something.
Instead, people need RIGHTS to FUCKING DO something. Except Europeans don't like doing shit.

>>714831593
Isn't crazy how all of this and more could be entirely avoided if the game was developed properly?
These arguments are moot because any law won't be retroactive.
Code better games you lazy fucking mutts.

>>714831593
>to have the right to run the shit they paid for legally even if the service ended
yeah that's one of the suggestions, glad you are on board with it but anyway stop destroying shit people paid for.

>>714831593
>, it takes a tremendous amount of resources to get it to a level where it can be distributed to end users (because it was never meant to be used that way).
and this was a game that was such a net negative to the studio, it nearly killed WB. and they still found time and money to turn off all the microtransaction bullshit. so fuck you.

>>714831663
because then all my aaa slop would stop being made. What would I do without yearly re-releases of the same game?

>>714829390 (OP)
The point is to own the things that you buy, you mongoloid fucknugget

>>714829390 (OP)
>>714829539
Its going to be government subsidy for live service games. Look forward to slop cash grabs with flimsy live service schemes just to apply for government SKG bill funding.

>>714831098
>Battlefield 1943 is dead
fuck...

>After this movement, there will be a lot of ghost towns of games that continue to exist forever, even though no one is in them.
Kino.

>>714829468
It's funny cause it's still unclear if he does. Could be he doesn't understand, or he's maliciously lying about it, it's a toss up.

Why do people intentionally misinterpret something so they can be upset for attention?

>>714829468
Again, his name is Jason

>>714829390 (OP)
What's the point of being against it? Sheer contrarianism?

>>714832018
There's no objective measurement for "proper" game development. And you obviously don't want the fucking government of all things to decide that. Even if your game is shit and is held together by duct tape, if it's a good game, it should be available. Nobody other than big studios can follow retarded EU rules, everyone else who can afford to will region block your ass.
>>714832029
>yeah that's one of the suggestions
Care to give some examples? I'm genuinely curious.
>stop destroying shit people paid for.
Maybe start by not paying for services that treat you like shit. You know you don't HAVE TO give ubisoft or whatever fucking AAA slopfactory a single penny, right?
Most of these problems are actually solved by piracy, it's just that people are such huge cuckolds they want to pay for shitty services.
I'd support a legislation that gives you an inalienable right to run the games you bought forever even through piracy (without development obligations for the devs), but I don't think anyone has mentioned such a simple thing.
>>714832082
That's genuinely very cool and admirable of them. It still shouldn't be in the fucking law.

>>714832716
Which small indie dev is making a live service game?

>>714829390 (OP)
Another jewish distraction while they continue to buy farmland, homes, and other property. Out of the hands of whites so they have no choice but to join the frontlines and die for Israel.

>>714831842
>people need RIGHTS to FUCKING DO something
What's going to have a greater impact for 99.99% of people
>you are guaranteed the right to try and reverse engineer an entire framework to get a game working again, including possibly needing to spoof an authenticator, peer to peer connectivity and a gorillion other things lmao good luck
>devs patch their game to still work upon support ending

>>714832794
I don't play any games that rely on an internet connection. But I think the ones that make games like that should have the right to do so even if they're a very small team or an individual.

>>714829390 (OP)
im pretty sure you can't play Warzone 1 in any form, because they pulled it.

Meaning every map, every skin, and every weapon are gone forever.

>>714829781
Because he's ebin and so cool he worked at Blizzard you know just like daddy

>>714832975
So then what's the issue of them having to provide community tools to play the game then?

>>714833068
It costs time, money, and other resources. It's also not legally definable.
The community should have the right to develop community tools, primarily.

>>714829390 (OP)
Mostly to stop this.

>>714833198
Well maybe it should be legally defined then.

>>714829539
>Legally obligated
Why do people keep pushing this shit lie as if it hasn't been repeatedly disproven?

>>714833225
The burning of tranny books?

>>714832975
So in this scenario the small indie team is smart enough to make a game that is intrinsically entangled with an always on server access requirement, but simultaneously not smart enough to be able to remove that requirement somehow or provide the server kit bundle at end of life?

>>714832415
You ever just download old games to run through the maps or fan maps by yourself? It's fun and that alone has value. And at any point, you can bring it back to life with the help of a few friends or strangers since old games were designed to let you do that.

>>714829390 (OP)
Yes. In 30 years you will be able to boot up your favourite call of duty cum nigger adventure 4 in a fit of nostalgia and enjoy the campaign again to remind you of a better time. Because you still own your game and it was never forcefully killed.

>>714833198
>people should be able to play the game
>uuughh that's waaaaay too much work

The point is that you should get to keep what you buy. That's it. Anyone telling you otherwise is lying and trying to make it sound unreasonable when it is in fact very reasonable.

there's not a single game ppl care about that's at danger of being killed by whatever this movement is opposing
it's literally nothing but slop, and you could avoid this problem entirely by growing a brain and consuming quality games instead

>>714830910
The good parts of Chrome Hounds

>>714832716
>There's no objective measurement for "proper" game development
there should be, especially since gamedev is something you can formally study in university these days

>>714832865
99.99% of people are cucks who will buy everything. It is reasonable to not be spoonfed everything if you want to play a niche game.
>>you are guaranteed the right to try and reverse engineer an entire framework to get a game working again, including possibly needing to spoof an authenticator, peer to peer connectivity and a gorillion other things lmao good luck
This is completely fair, yes. They should also explicitly legalize circumventing DRM measures and developing and distributing emulators.
People should write their server backend or patch games, and distribute patches without having to worry.
>>devs patch their game to still work upon support ending
This is a case of government overreach if it's mandated by law. The old fucks in Brussels never wrote a single line of code in their lives.

>>714833410
Are you really this shortsighted? Even if you don't care about any game that is affected by this, don't you think every major publisher will build a killswitch into every game if it's proven that they can get away with every time? Then, eventually, a game you care about will have a killswitch built into it.
Wouldn't you rather make that situation impossible?

>>714833198
>It's also not legally definable
It very much is. It simply has not been yet. That is a large part of what SKG is intended to do. One highly likely outcome from all this will be legal requirements under certain pricing models. The small indie company can still make whatever game they want but the manner in which they sell it will have to be in line with what they provide the consumer in return. If they want an always online model that dies at the company's whim then they will probably have to go with a subscription model, or if selling as single retail purchase define it as a lease and provide a minimum up time for the access they are required to provide or be forced to give refunds. It is largely a moot point though since small indie companies don't make the sorts of games where this shit becomes an issue at all.

>>714833410
I don't give a shit if those games usually suck, devs should have no right to stop people from playing them

>>714833410
Nobody cares about what games you think are good and bad you disingenuous troglodyte.

>>714831593
>Bureaucrats shouldn't micromanage developers.
Do you feel any developer regulation is bad or just this initiative? One could probably draw parallels to other industries and how those regulations have benefited humanity for the most part. Is development an exception to that?
>microservicrs aren't easy to abstract
If I provided an adequate interface for a cloud hosted database or an OAuth service, wouldn't that be enough to just mock responses? And how does local development work without those services abstracted?
>distribute the code or the binaries for it
What services exist that would be part of the binary you would be required to ship for an end of life plan?
>Nobody makes profit from developing an alternate version of the game
In all fairness, I don't think the intention was to increase profits for developers.
>everybody would need lawyers even for taking a shit.
Don't developers need lawyers anyway?
>empowering PEOPLE to develop their own servers and emulators, and to have the right to run the shit they paid for legally even if the service ended.
How can you have one without the other? In order to build your own servers, wouldn't you need to know at least the protocol if not having a thin binary to know what you have to provide?
Also, aren't there secure open source communication protocols?

>>714833503
>>714833246
Have you seen what laws in the EU look like? You are Americans I suppose and have no idea how bad things really are.
They are incredibly vague and broad, and we don't even have precedence based judiciary. We don't even have something like the Bill of Rights.

>>714833586
Everything in your post is the product of a contrarian diseased mind and not worth responding to.

>>714833407
This. If the corpo work around is them having to start selling this stuff as a defined 'lease' or subscription and it turns people away from purchase then so be it. As long as their potential scumfuckery is front and centre and must be confirmed to agree to then that is enough as you can't save people from their own stupidity at that point if they still agree and pay for it.

>>714833756
So your solution is to just let them do whatever because the law is heckin vague?
What a defeatist faggot.

>>714830690
>blaming the victims who fell for industry scams
of course industry spooks like (You) would do that. if it were up to you ponzi schemes would still be legal

Please post Ross memes that we can use when laughing at bootlickers

>>714832716
>Maybe start by not paying for services that treat you like shit. You know you don't HAVE TO give ubisoft or whatever fucking AAA slopfactory a single penny, right?
I paid for games not services, what are you even trying here?
>Most of these problems are actually solved by piracy, it's just that people are such huge cuckolds they want to pay for shitty services.
>I'd support a legislation that gives you an inalienable right to run the games you bought forever even through piracy (without development obligations for the devs), but I don't think anyone has mentioned such a simple thing.
lol just pirate this online only game bro or better yet ask the developers to let you do it, its so simple lmao

>>714834030
The game is licensed, not sold to you.
You lost SKGtrannies.

Do any youtube still delete videos if they gave something like less than 1000 views after 5 years?
like, you're fucking Google. You can't host everything forever? don't they have more money than most fucking countries?

>>714833957
What happened to alignment chart anon? Is he still alive or did the jeets kill him and his games?

>>714834156
Not analogous.

>>714834150
Not according to my laws. Sorry Thor.

>>714834150
>this piece of toilet paper says you won't own anything and be happy
>WHY AREN'T YOU COMPLYING WITH THE BULLSHIT TERMS I WROTE ON MY USED TOILET PAPER???

>>714829390 (OP)
Nobody gives a fuck about consumer rights anymore, the whole thing just turning into another harassment campaign targeting PirateGaming. It's basically just another gamergate at this point.

Should all live services survive?
If not, what is the criteria for survival?
Vote?

>>714834758
Every single game ever made should survive.

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>714834857
Divide and conquer.

>>714834812
That's possible if we treated games as art, as cultural heritage.

>>714833679
>any developer regulation is bad or just this initiative?
Not sure about any, but I believe most is bad, especially in video games. Like, the government shouldn't tell me how I should architect my software solutions. Obviously maintaining an offline version that I'm not planning to ever release will cost me resources that I don't want want to spend.
And we are getting to a point where the EU wants to introduce even more bureaucracy into software development. You will be unable to sell software in the EU without it undergoing government-approved audits. This is a case of gross overreach too.
Games are also an art form, so I'm against regulation whenever possible.
>adequate interface for a cloud hosted database or an OAuth service, wouldn't that be enough to just mock responses?
Sure, you can replicate it based on proper documentation. It does open your services up to attackers though. It is still better than having devs release or patch code. Who's going to decide if the documentation is good enough though?
>local development
Just because something runs internally it doesn't mean it's ready for release.
>What services exist that would be part of the binary you would be required to ship for an end of life plan?
See, heck knows. If my backend runs with Oracle only and nothing else, what the fuck do I do? What about those licensed libraries I can't distribute? Am I expected to rewrite it? And what about the GPL2 AND GPL3 AND Apache2 shit we have in there?
>Don't developers need lawyers anyway?
There's a difference between getting BAU legal shit done and having to plan EU releases from fucking Japan.
>How can you have one without the other?
There have been WoW emulators for decades, and Blizzard hasn't released shit afaik. When there's a will and there's demand, people can get stuff done. It is very hard in most cases, of course. Reverse engineering and implementing a protocol should be legal in all cases.

>>714834284
Are you talking about me? I didn't finish it because I don't have ideas for the remaining spots.

corpos know theyre fucked, theyre not even bothering to proof read their arguments

>>714834445
No but I was just thinking about it (as general preservation)
it's gay that even Google cuts corners when they have functionally unlimited infrastructure and are always expanding

>>714829390 (OP)
you can already play call of duty forever because IW released it with dedicated server software

>>714834150
Licenses can last perpetually. If you bought a licensed copy of Windows XP, your code and license is still valid. And you can still install and run it today!

>>714829539
People's purchases will do more to end live service games than this retardation.

>buy a game
>developers decide they no longer want to support the game
>(sometimes they decide this a month after releasing it)
>money stolen
This should end "games as a service" forever. No developer wants to keep a game like GTA4 online into the year 2100. So just stop with the bullshit subscriptions and let people host their own servers.

>>714829390 (OP)
Yes, I will play Call of Duty until the end of time and Activision will pay for it.

>>714832492
It doesn't matter, he picked his stance so he will defend it no matter how retarded he has to be in doing so.
In his mind he cannot be wrong, classic narcissistic shit.

>>714834030
You signed a document saying you don't own shit, you dingus. Also paid $80 plus tax plus tip for this loicense.
Settling this bullshit legally first would be a better use of resources than SKK.

>>714829390 (OP)
Dang if I had known the movement was going to kill Gachas I'd support it even more.

>>714835114
I made a post about it the other time you posted but the thread got whacked. Here, have a print.

>>714834857
it's extremely simple
>big publishers have a ton of sway over consumerist goycattle, especially brand loyalists (zombie followers) and leftist keyboard warriors (their armies of useful idiots)
>they also lead the gaming press and outlets by the nose (get on a publisher's bad side and you're guaranteed to be put on a blacklist, never to receive review copies or invites to events ever again)
>if you put the points above together, this means that big publishers can pull strings to spread messages far and wide. so, if they manage to forge a narrative (e.g. "skg is an attempt by alt-right bigots to destroy hard-working indie devs"), then they can easily convince the droves of mouthbreather consumerist goycattle to act against their own self-interest and continue to kill games with complete impunity (if not with the approval of the former outright)

>>714829390 (OP)
To prevent the ever present creep of corporations eroding your ability to own property.

>>714829539
>>714829539
why was i able to avoid the botting crisis of tf2
think on it hard zoomer

>>714835397
I signed a document when I went to Gamestop and bought Mario Maker?
That's news to me, buddy.

>>714830910
Rumbleverse

>>714830690
I don't, but what do you do when that's all that is made due to it being the best option for corporations?

>>714835587
Yeah it's in the little booklet or link or whatever the fuck I never buy games so idk where they put it

>>714830910
Hex:shards of fate.

>>714835443
Ah, thank you for the feedback.
The EU's already there with the european commission logo

>>714829390 (OP)
To enforce customer rights over the corporate greed that continues to erode them in the video game industry.

>>714835397
>click little box
>rights stolen
kek pajeet world

Ross is autistic and likes exploring 3d game worlds no matter how shit they are. Deleting a 3d game world, especially one that models the entire USA like the Crew really pisses him off.

>>714835893
Based Autist but let's be real. The whole reason he started this initiative is because he didn't want to work on Freeman's Mind 2

>>714832716
>Nobody other than big studios can follow retarded EU rules, everyone else who can afford to will region block your ass.

Nobody other than big studios are paying third parties for backend microservices. Johnny making his weird indie game that evolves every day or something is either doing it all himself or in-house with a small team. This will not effect 99.9% of indies in the slightest & it also doesn't effect free games.

>>714836009
>he didn't want to work on Freeman's Mind 2
Correct, he'd rather make
>THE MOVIE
which this petition is taking time away from.

>>714835783
Yeah that's not how that works, no matter how many times you repeat it.

>>714830690
If you look at the state of current economies and think consumer's don't need to be protected from themselves financially supporting shitty business practices, I really don't know what to tell you. Most people are mindless consumers and they ruin it for the rest of us that spend ethically. They give Apple or Samsung 1k every year, they buy every new CoD, they have 6 pairs of Nikes, and they eat McDonald's/Starbucks 5x a week. They're a bunch of fucking retards & they're the reason why free markets every fucking time end in mass market consolidation.

>>714835860
Move them to the true neutral, they can go either way with this. The guy who will represent SKG on the EU is one Daniel Ondruska, I think he's from the european pirate party but I'm not really sure. Either way, whatever party he's affiliated with, they're good for supporting this and would fit the lawful neutral better.

>>714836132
>THE MOVIE
Oh right, I forgot about that.

I imagine The Mold hijacked part of his brain so now he cares less about his creative endeavors and is drawn to political domineering.

>>714835141
i googled and tried read this 'position paper' and couldn't get past like four paragraphs. it's corpo vomit of the highest degree. unbelievable zero value text. our epic valued redditors highly enjoy our profitable experiences and important online content delivery blah blah

>>714836124
And those microservices are usually either AWS or Azure, not exactly super secret technologies.

>>714829390 (OP)
God I hope they litigate this so shitty MMOs and live service cancer can fucking die for good

The point is consumer protection.
Protection is only needed because the consumer base can’t say no to terrible contracts.
If people actually cared, they would just not buy games for a year or give up and realize that most people are content to eat slop forever.
Half of all people are dumber than average.

>>714836378
yeah it's complete babble
it will have to be looked at, but the lobbyists are going to need a much stronger defense by the time lawmakers are looking at it. Openly saying it will hurt their bottom line is not enough to offset the initial claim that it's a harmful business practice.

>>714836334
I really hope he pulls through with it. He says he's holding back with his regular stuff and I kind of believe him. His mold videos used to have a slight edgy streak that's been missing for a long time.

>>714836507
Game journalists are turning this into another Gamergate. All thanks for Asmongold and Elon Musk voice their support for this movement.
The left are going to retroactively hate this now.

>>714836325
>Move them to the true neutral, they can go either way with this. The guy who will represent SKG on the EU is one Daniel Ondruska, I think he's from the european pirate party but I'm not really sure. Either way, whatever party he's affiliated with, they're good for supporting this and would fit the lawful neutral better.
In my opinion the EU is lawful and the pirate party is lawful too because they operate within a legal framework but they support SKG so they're good. But Ross's already occupying that spot.

>>714832018
Do you remember Sims City in 2013? It had to be always online, saves not locally but on EA's servers.
EA said it was impossible to change that, to add an offline mode, that the game wasn't coded for that.
In the end, a guy made a mod in a week to allow offline play, and EA made a patch to officially allow it.
It's not complicated to allow offline play; they just want to kill their old games to force you to buy the new one, see The Crews.

>>714836325
I miss the Piratbyrån so bad /v/ros

>>714830737
it's a fair point
companies would straight up just not support multiplayer if they had to give you the server exe

>>714836585
Well, they do need clicks. And if you look online at the bot activity, it would appear divisive!
So they'll keep throwing out AI articles with provocative headlines as long as they can. Make sure to hop in those comments sections and earn us pennies- I mean voice your opinion

>>714832716
If you weren't trying to take advantage of people then no one would be calling for the government to intervene

>>714836409
>can fucking die
It doesn't really kill them, it doesn't affect them while they are active and wouldn't be hurt when dead.

>>714836624
>True Neutral
THE MOLD

>>714832975
>I don't rape people, but I think people that do get raped have a right to do so

>>714836624
>/v/
>Chaotic good

>>714836624
Chaotic Neutral should just be the youtube play button, with all the retard Content Creators basically recapping the whole DRAMA without properly even knowing wtf they're talking about

>>714829390 (OP)
stop buying gaas

>>714836693
we all know corpos love to employ centralized servers to give multiplayer (and sometimes single-player) an expiration date so you have to pony up for the newest release to keep playing
>companies would straight up just not support multiplayer if they had to give you the server exe
don't be so sure. multiplayer gives some games long legs and untold replay value, which allows corpos to implement progression, battlepasses, lootboxes, resets (prestige, etc.) and exp boosts, and other whale milking schemes

>>714836624
>chaotic good
>/v/
Not with all the shills. Maybe chaotic neutral.

>>714836481
>Half of all people are dumber than average
True but how much of the onus can you put on the people themselves when there's been a concentrated effort by the industry to make them docile and compliant, not to mention the amount of younger gamers entering the market every year who simply don't know better.

The animals on the farm didn't domesticate themselves.

>>714836919
vote with your wallet. it's yours. don't be fooled

>>714829390 (OP)
The point is to let hackers ruin and destroy servers . Ross is one of said hackers.

>>714836693
If they'd rather make a single player game rather than release binaries for a multiplayer game, that's on them, just like they can choose to make content changes to have a lower age rating for their game.

>>714836905
stop killing games and stealing people's money
>>714836919
>Not with all the shills
shills, tourists, and glowies are invaders, not part of /v/

>>714833410
There are several massively popular gachas that are all slated to die the moment the money stops rolling in.

>>714836963
Eat my entire ass.

stop being addict and don't buy shit that hurts you.

>>714837015
give me your money instead

>>714836905
It also affects online only shit to single player games that need an internet connection just play.

>>714829390 (OP)
Because the Reddit hivemind has been engaged

>>714835089
>>714831593
>>714832716
>gubbermint bad
Go inhale asbestos

>>714829390 (OP)
>someone has fair, light criticism about Stop Killing Games
>"Nooo you don't understand the proposal, it's not X, it's Y"
>another person criticizes Y
>"Sigh... People still don't understand the proposal is not about Y, but actually about X?"

I'm fucking done with this stupid subject. It is impossible to say anything negative about it because Stop Killing Games is like the holy spirit: it's nowhere, and at the same time everywhere. It's about nothing, and at the same time everything. No matter what you criticize, it'll always be "wrong" because it is actually about whatever point you did not criticize; and this point will oportunistically change once the next person says they disagree.

Fuck everyone involved with this. Bunch of dishonest vulture clowns turning this into another Gamergate

>>714837087
exactly. stop buying this shit

>Developers shouldn't be able to steal a product you paid for
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S COMMUNISM, THINK HOW THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE WORTH BILLIONS AND EMPLOY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO? AND THE INDIES? HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE INDEPENDENTS WHO ARE MAKING LIVE SERVICES TOO?!
If you are against SKG you are either a jeet paid to shill, a contrarian or a retard

>>714837115
You could just read the website/faq for skg and stop being a faggot about it.

>>714837183
you slipped down the slope and want back up. stop buying gaas

Anyone who gives a single shit about game Devs after OW -> OW 2 happened is fucking retarded and not worth listening to.

>>714837115
SKG is simple:
>stop shutting down games. let people keep playing
>no one would accept a car that becomes a brick the moment the manufacturer pulls the plug on a server. the same applies to video games (and software but SKG is mainly about vidya)

>>714837115
hey thor, still raping ferrets?

you fucking morons deserve this for buying shitty trash

>>714837238
stop stealing people's games and money
there's zero reason to shut down games

>>714837238
I don't. I never have and I never will. Why do you project your retardation on to others?

>>714837327
how about having some common sense?

>>714829390 (OP)
They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.

>>714837238
Now I'm destroying the slope and the other retarded crabs would rather everyone keeps falling.

>>714837150
Thankfully I don't but it's cancer and that shit shouldn't be allowed.
If that was the only outcome I would be happy.

>>714837340
I didn't buy them. you did

>>714837373
people need to learn consequences of their actions

>>714836759
>>714836841
>>714836919
updated

>>714836860
I don't know youtube e-celebs have been overwhelmingly in favor of SKG

>>714837350
common sense is not to steal people's games and money, something that the industry clearly lacks since they keep killing games

>>714829539
good
game is finally healing

>>714837446
Mold needs more moldness.

>>714837352
You're giving that shit more attention that it originally had, by posting it over and over.

You realize you're working against your own goals?

>>714837446
>youtube
>chaotic good
I dunno about that man.

>>714830910
Wildstar

>>714830910
Pokemon duel

>>714837238
No, there was an MMO set in my city, but it was a post-apocalyptic version. It opened in 2009 and closed in 2014. Now it's impossible to play. All that exists are a few gameplay videos on YouTube. It's a scandal. Games must be preserved.
Also, the retarded guy behind the scenes refuses to let players open private servers (it was a browser-based MMO, so no code is available).
I'll never forget you, Leelh.
and I refuse to let other games suffer the same fate

when you buy a song, book, or movie online, you can download it as long as the service is available and keep it forever.
At no point will the media stop functioning because the store service became unavailable.

Video games are the only digital media that is accepted as a limited license and that really doesn't make sense.

>>714837460
common sense is knowing not to trust gaas in the first place you fucking retard.

>>714837431
Why not both?
In all seriousness most people just don't fucking learn. For whatever reason people will get fucked in the ass, complain about it and immediately fall for it again when someone jangles some new shinny keys infront of them.

>>714837541
Do you have a better idea?

>>714837613
there are plenty of privet p2p mmos out there. People just want to play them

>>714837352
That's so fucked, I really hope retards don't fall for the division trick for the millionth time

>>714837647
well I'm not European, so I just don't buy games I think are bad.

>>714837241
And despite how simple that is to understand people went full retard

>>714837393
>you did
Post proof

>>714837702
People are already falling for it unfortunately.
Leftists are already calling SKG another gamergate movement.

>>714837647
why not go fuck yourself? I want a physical copy

>>714837665
Maybe someone will but I just don't see youtube playing a big role in this anyway.

>>714837792
>post proof of my purchases
anon are you retarded?

>>714837798
oh no not the twitter troons that's the most important and widespread demographic in real life as we all know

>>714837729
Same
Unfortunately asking people to look into something for 5 minutes before buying is lost on too many people.

>>714829901
Modern COD games have started doing the central server thing for game files. So they'll die when the servers shut down.

>>714837864
these people get what they deserve.

>>714837241
>car analogy
Cars are necessary for life, but games are not.

>>714837898
>what's that? You didn't know you'd get lung cancers after years of smoking while we suppressed every study that showed just that?
>you got what you deserved.

instead of stop killing games how about
>stop being stupid

>>714837839
With the logo I meant youtube ecelebs not youtube itself

>>714837986
I know what I'm getting from cigarettes. they're not digital you fucking skank

>>714837929
cars aren't necessary for life. go ride a bike fatso

>>714837352
Ironically, the most inclusive thing they can do is help SKG because minorities tend to be poorer and play more vidya on average and thus would benefit disproportionally more from better consumer protection.
But we all know this is just rainbow/nigger capitalism and their true goal is moar $$$ and fucking over consumers.

>>714832492
>Could be he doesn't understand,
The very first time he talked about it on stream he understood a bunch of the things he then chose to misrepresent in his videos.

>>714838002
How about the devs stop being jews instead.

>>714829539
>legally obligated to support it forever or give up their IP
Jason Hall shut your gay lying furry cunt mouth up.

>>714837853
You're forgetting that this is the EU we're talking about here. If there's even a single hint of right-leaning motives, the EU would just dismiss it and throw the whole thing out.
It's why we need to keep the gamergaters out and leave all that PirateGaming harassment out of this.

>>714838086
they can do what they want. you don't have to buy it

>>714838074
>rainbownigger capitalism

>>714829539
>support it forever
>give up their IP
There is no way you idiots aren't getting those talking points from a centralized spot. This is too stupid and too obviously not true for something that you just come up on your own.

>>714838130
Then I'll do what I want and force them to change their ways through legislation.

>>714838126
the legislators aren't going to be looking at what Twitter freaks have said or what a man who kills weasels with his penis thinks.

They will look at the proposition as written and consider that. There is no politically or socially loaded language in the actual initiative.

>>714838216
I'll support you as an American and not buy trash

>>714838002
Nah, throwing bankruptcy tier fines at rich people if they don't do what you want is fun.
You'll either stop being an asshole or you'll lose everything you've ever stolen, Mr. Corpo.

>>714835089
>games as art
While games could be argued an art form, couldn't they also be seen as a commodity? And is it just games or any development? What about already existing regulations like GDPR, PCI, or ISO 27001?
>who's going to decide if...
I would assume this question would be open to some sort of audit. Like it would have to pass some litmus tests or risk a report or audit.
>Just because something runs internally it doesn't mean it's ready for release.
Does the release build or something like it not run on local machines? How do developers debug issues in production then?
>licensed libraries
So you're saying that these packages were only intended for your seat or your machine and you don't think you can distribute them. Do you think vendors would fill in those gaps knowing that it would be attractive to developers if they could distribute them?
>when there's a will there's a way
Is that true of all games or do you think there's just some happenstance that coincided with how WoW was developed along with its popularity?
>reverse engineering and implementing a protocol should be legal in all cases
But, like in the case of Activision's CoDWW2, it was that protocol that gave attackers RCE, correct?
Injecting my own opinion here for a second it feels like the actual game server code for a now dead game seems like it wouldn't translate well to other projects. But network protocols would. If I were a hacker, my intuition would tell me to pick at the most likely reused component from that developer.

>>714838271
I'm not a Europoor

>>714838074
Exactly, this is the type of person the industry is weaponizing. Poison haired leftists who hate capitalism but buys every single megacorp meme.
This is who we are going up against.

>>714837798
Why can't troons resist being the biggest corporate bootlickers the world has ever seen?

>>714838130
If they don't like it, they can just not sell it.

>>714838239
I just want the games I play to continue to work. No company should have the right to shut them down.
They say they lose money competing with past titles. What about the money I lose when they steal my games, my saves that I invested so many hours into, all the purchases I made in-game that went up in smoke?
These scumbags need to be stopped.

>>714838331
I don't care

>>714838126
>we
You need to go back to where you came from.

>>714838239
You bet your ass the lobbyists will present those "twitter freak" voices to parliament or whatever it's called in the EU. Did you forget how Occupy Wall Street and Gamergate went?

>>714829390 (OP)
To filter out corpo slop

let these games die and the trash companies rot

>>714838402
This is the shit I was talking about, bandwagoners that latch onto a supposedly just cause just to fucking harass people. We are just asking how SKG can actually be implemented in the real world, no need to get all bigoted and racist about it. It's starting to smell a lot like gamergate...

>>714838370
yes, agreed. I think it's pretty cut and dry when you try to look at the situation objectively, and that gives me hope the lawmakers will see it the same way.
There is no other type of digitally distributed media where the license is supposed to be assumed as limited. Every single, movie, and book I have bought will persist on my hard drive regardless of if the store service is still available.

I hope they see it the same way

learn your lesson, and stop spending your money on pure fucking trash dogshit garbage games

Mold man has hours worth of videos answering every nitpick question any anon may have about this whole thing but stupid apes still insist on posting their opinions on something they literally refuse to do any research on
FUCKING WATCHING THE VIDEOS IT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS YOU STUPID NIGGERS

>>714838541
I wish the world was that simple, but it is fact that the lobbyists are going to turn this into another gamergate and the EU will get the initiative thrown out.

I don't think corpos trying to paint SGK as Gamergate adjacent is going to fly in the current climate.
If they proceed with this idea, this won't stop SGK but instead will legitimize Gamergate. Vidya journalism is on life support so they don't have nearly as many sycophants to push their propaganda this time around.

>>714838514
>>>/reddit/
is that way if you need carebear discussion.

>>714838281
>While games could be argued an art form
Way to invalidate your entire post.

>>714838545
stop making games with killswitches. they only hurt consumers
we don't let laboratories ship harmful drugs, so you shouldn't ship defective games with killswitches

>>714838550
That's not what they're doing. Their goal is to repeat their bullshit nonsensical "points" to try and trick those who aren't informed.

>>714838624
Well I guess it's important to not threaten retarded troons over this and instead talk about the provable facts of the initiative instead.
Idk, not my responsibility, I don't have any social media and I already signed.

If we post pakistani flags, will that kill the jeet shills?
>>714838550
They don't want answers. Their handlers told them the stupid points they need to shill and that's all they need to know.

>>714829390 (OP)
consumer protection/rights
>>714829539
>to kill live service games
nah it's just to mandate games can remain playable after support ends which is totally reasonable and how games used to be before all the jewish micro transactions and always online faggotry

>>714829539
>to kill games as a service
God I wish

>>714831593
>Europe has virtually no game development
Irrelevant you fucking retard. YOU FUCKING MORON YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING DUMB ASS.
Where the games doesn't matter only where they are sold.
Kill yourself you're too stupid to be allowed to live any more.

>>714837352
It's fucking scary seeing how fast the industry is altering the narrative. We're seeing a lot more SKG = Gamergate as we inch closer to the deadline at the end of the month. We got to be fucking careful and not fall for their tricks.

>>714838859
>I want to be able to able to play games
>FUCKING PARASITE WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT FUCK YOU
Whoa

>>714838859
creepy as fuck
get ready for all the "major publications" to start spinning the GG2 narrative

>>714838624
Not really, the infighting would cause the trannysphere to implode. Even ultra SJW places like GCJ and Resetera have already voiced firm support for SGK.
A lot of trannies love vidya especially older vidya and vidya preservation. There is a massive conflict of interest between twitter trannies and vidya trannies. The trannysphere is very complicated and there are various groups with different goals. The only thing they all have in common is that they will never be real women.

>>714838550
It doesn't matter to them
It's better to "feel" correct then be correct for too many people

I don't see how it could possibly be more expensive for devs to just allow players to host their own servers after a game goes offline? What's the big deal just don't remotely make the game inaccessible

>>714838942
haven't you heard? protecting consumer rights is literally taking food out of multi-billionare execs' mouths!

>>714838859
Just let them screech. What are they going to do, unsign the petition? They can yell but the signatures aren't going anywhere.

>>714838991
It's not like we've haven't seen high profile publications change their stance whenever it's convenient for them. I'm just saying be prepared for it, it's clear that their intention now is to drive further division by turning SKG into another gamergate.

>>714838859
Chet is a babbling moron just ignore him

>>714838859
Ross is squeaky clean and has zero ties to any Gamergate stuff. The fact that they're so desperate is a proof of how afraid they are.

>>714839109
yeah there is a reason they are doing this through the EU and not through any channels in the US

>>714838859
>He is the new breed of dudes who don't play games but absolutely hates modern games so he thinks they shouldn't exist
This is the most objectively wrong thing I've ever seen in my life.
This is the most blatant character-assassinating propaganda I've ever seen in my life.
Anon above me is right, this is really fucking creepy.

don't waste your money on trash

>>714839282
it's weird to see probably wrong propaganda flood into the gaming sphere so quickly. There's been overlap for a long time, but this might mark the start of very blatant campaigns directed around video game consumer rights.
Even if this shit gets passed as a law I imagine there will be campaigns against it for years to come

>>714839150
Journos will sing to the tune of publishers yes but journos today have less power than ever and unlike gamergate, troons have a vested interest in SGK succeeding.

>>714839370
Could say the same to devs but they keep doing it.

>>714839440
>probably
provably* wrong

>>714839370
don't waste your money making anti-consumertrash in the first place. make good stuff that pleases players

>>714839440
it's blatantly obvious. you win by voting with your wallet. it's not movement. it's advice.

>>714839547
let them die.

>>714829539
you release the tools needed to keep it going for the fans to take on the mantle that's it

>stop giving gaas money
>no more gaas

>>714839594
I do. Retards don't. If I need to tardwrangle, I will.

>>714829390 (OP)
To just whine about shitty live services being taken away
The supporters are just retards who think they're fighting for some sort of cause, like revolutionaries who will break the rules of the world because they're like anime protagonists, whne in reality they don't even understand what the petition they're supporting is asking for. They think all their talking points are absolute and not mere suggestions.

>>714839594
stop stealing people's games

>>714839673
pick your own battles.

>>714839680
erm, cringu and wrong

>>714839695
people are stupid and need to learn consequences

>>714829390 (OP)
To be able to play call of duty forever and host servers for it when your buddies inevitably want to 1v1 on rust 15 years from now.

>>714839680
if they're shitty as you say then why do you keep making them? they're shit after all

>>714839718
I did which is why I'm supporting skg.

>>714839771
just stop buying anti consumer games. it's fucking simple

>>714829539
GACHA GARBAGE HAS NO INTRECETE VALUE ALL SEA MONKEYS NEED TO AN HERO ASAP

>>714829539
>legally obligated to support it forever
if by obligated you mean release private server options at EoL.
>or give up their IP
You are factually, undeniably, medically retarded. Borderline p-zombie.

>>714839746
If the masses could learn we wouldn't be here in the first place.

>>714831039
That one's still playable through steam, I think the online even works. It's just that nobody starts any lobbies, but I had people drop in from time to time a few years back.

I can already see queers on xitter arguing about this and calling each other shills.
SKG causing faggot civil war was not on my bingo card.

it's so simple. Just don't support them with your money

If you are genuinely, unironically and honestly against the movement for whatever reason at least watch this dude's videos before forming your final opinions and sharing it with anons.
>no sir, not watching hour long youtube videos that will probably btfo all my nitpicks
I figured as much

>>714839814
I do. And now I chose to make sure nobody else does. What part of that do you not understand?

>>714830737
to be fair, except for minecraft, zoomers don't know too many games where you can host a server yourself anymore

>>714839891
His videos being hour long slogs where he just rambles is the worst part, he needs to write up a script and shorten it to the key points, could probably shave half the time off doing that.

>>714839957
I'm not against that, but are you sure you're sending the right message?

>>714829390 (OP)
Yes, what is so hard for you mobile office chuds to understand I want to play fucking COG WOW on OG Xbox 360 forever?

>>714829390 (OP)
>to play call of duty forever?

MW19 should never have been surpassed, it was perfect in every way, so yes.

>>714839762
>why do you keep making them
I don't make games and I'm not retarded enough to buy online only games.
I'm sorry if you need the government to save you from yourself.

>>714837352
Ross is a thinker and thinkers aren't allowed to get publicity
>hmm what if I want to use something I bought twenty years from now?
this thought is so incredibly far removed from brave new world modern citizen encouragement, you know "don't think just buy new product and then get excited for new product"

You retards realize this isn't a Change.org petition right?
It's a crime to falsely sign for this. If you're outside the EU they will actually give your information to interpol so they can give it to your local government.

Most of the signatures are botted or done through VPN, nothing about this movement is organic

>>714839891
The only people against the movement are live service devs, shareholders who don't play vidya and midwits who pretend to be smart by being contrarian. I'm not counting trolls who are just farming (You)s.

>>714840038
They don't even do that for minecraft, they purchase server hosting, they don't set up their own.

>>714840118
The government is the reason you're not cut up and served into a soup btw

>>714840160
>it's not organic
you have no power

>>714840118
stop putting killswitches in games.
according to you the FDA should let corporations sell unsafe, harmful drugs because "it's your fault if you take them"
you're a psychopath

>>714838381
You do not matter.

>>714840160
You lost, Jason. Everyone is laughing at you and farming you for lolcow drama.

>>714840273
neither do you. at least I have my money

>>714840160
That is fair game given these gaming corporations are allowed to buy reviews for their games.

t. Olivia from Bolivia

>>714840041
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but if the man is to retarded to learn to fish and feed himself for a lifetime, I'll gladly tell him to basic tasks for retards related to fishing if I also benefit ultimately from getting more fish.

holy canoli his name is thor? that's just like the cool guy from the marbel comic

stop being ripped off and stop buying gaas

>>714840214
You're the one asking for the government to stop you from cutting yourself and serving your own body into a soup, not me. I'm sorry if you need laws to stop yourself from throwing yourself into scams and causing self inflicted financial damage, must be harsh being elderly.

>>714840309
Me too. :)

>>714840396
I'd rather keep my fishing pole

>>714840347
>t. Olivia from Bolivia
based reference

t. Sam from Siam

>>714840041
>nooo dont practice realpolitik, please consider these arbitrary ideological ideas I want you to subscribe to
Hmm
No

>>714840459
I'm not giving my fishing pole away in any situations here, sorry that you are too retarded to understand that.

>>714840431
>aw yeah
<("<)<( " )>(>")>$

>>714832643
schizo doomposting about how every new law is going to cause real life to turn into the handmaiden, but videogames.

>>714840581
if a man is too retarded to catch a fish there no point in teaching them

>>714840642
Funny how this only happens when something is going to weaken corporations.

>>714840716
Learn to let go and move on. You lose nothing by moving on. Just don't fall for shitty games again SKGtranny.

>>714840607
I accept your concession.

>>714840716
Ywnbaw

>>714840673
Unless his retardation affects me negatively, which in this example it does

>>714840265
>according to you the FDA should let corporations sell unsafe, harmful drugs because "it's your fault if you take them"
The FDA absolutely does allow corporations to sell unsafe, harmful drugs and it's absolutely your fault if you wreck your body from smoking cigarettes and drinking too much alcohol.

>>714840430
Hit a nerve unc?

>>714840780
concessions? I don't own a business

>>714840673
How do you fail to understand basic english and a fucking metaphor?
I've already established that I'm not teaching anything to a retard, which is why I'll just use him to do stuff a retard can if it benefits me.
I can't be more clear than this. The retards here get tardwrangled into signing the initiative because it benefits me.

>>714840785
stop letting it affect you then. save your money and time. it's worth more.

>>714840927
stop buying stupid shit you fucking faggot

>>714839547
>make good stuff that pleases players
Well, by supporting SKG you're outright stating that you're pleased with live service games. Your only problem with them is them shutting down.

>just give us your server binary
>it doesn't werk
>okay, just give us your source code
>it also doesn't werk because 3rd party code is missing
>wtf
>just break copyright regarding the 3rd party code
>the commie EU demands it
Do you see how fucking retarded SKG is? You fags haven't thought this through for a single minute.

>>714837849
>Asserts something he knows cannot be substantiated
>Name calls when called out on it.

>>714840960
I already don't. Devs making less live services benefits me. You are a real fucking retard but I guess it's the corporations that are tardwrangling you in this case.

I will own Call of Duty and play it as long as I want and I will be happy.

>>714841030
you asked me to to post proof of your purchases

>>714840996
just build it differently because you're legally obligated to do that now faggot

>>714841035
why are you arguing with me then? you want to stop people buying stupid shit. good luck. it's human history

>1.4 million signatures signed
>Youtube videos about StopKillingGames get on average 3M views
>only 2 threads on /v/
This whole thing is fucking fake and gay, goes to show how the SKG movement is just fags crying at nothing. There's pretty much no interest at all in the real world.
If you want real change, learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.

>>714841160
If your opinion is that live service is stupid shit, then you have no real reason to want to stop skg since it benefits you as well in the long term.

>>714829390 (OP)
The point is to fuck yourself with a rusty cactus

>>714829539
you say that like its a bad thing, also thats not true, it just goes offline or servers are given out to people with a new clause stating they are liable for any hacks that may happen if the software is outdated simple as

>>714841226
don't want to stop it. I just think it could have been prevented

All of this wouldn't have happened if corpos just released an offline patch for single player sections in their always online games. "Patch" being the generous term since it's probably more of a switch flip that to not verify an online connection. They would delete old games from your library if they thought it would get you to buy their next game.

>>714840850
>The FDA absolutely does allow corporations to sell unsafe, harmful drugs
I'm sure that insulin that causes allergic reactions or heart attacks would be pulled really really fast from the shelves

>>714839814
The psychological aspect when applied to the general population is too strong. It's why gambling laws are necessary.

These Vidya corpos use similar psychological manipulation tactics to rope people in and then use forced obsolescence to keep them there.

>>714840991
>Well, by supporting SKG you're outright stating that
corporations shouldn't kill games, and nothing else.

>>714841353
it's unfortunate humans are fucking dumb

>>714829390 (OP)
you can still play every CoD online

>>714840929
>stop letting it affect you then
Not a choice I can make. The videogame industry being shit and milking retards affects me negatively because i like video games.
Do you have any better suggestions than "just pretend it's not a problem"?

>>714840996
>give sever binary / SDK / whatever
>it doesn't work
>EU doesn't step in because the dev fulfilled his legal obligations
It's this easy.
Besides, people have worked by reverse engineering this shit the hard way and always got things working in the past. So your strawman is doubly retarded and almost as retarded as (You).
I'd tell you to go back but I don't know where you'd go because even reddit and trannyera doesn't want retarded insects like you. You are undesirable to the point even trannies laugh at you.

>>714841251
>it just goes offline
that's the whole point of this movement is to prevent that from happening. Didn't you read anything about it? The Crew had like 12 people still playing it and it got shut down so they got butthurt about it and started SKG. that's literally what this is all about.

>>714841409
>not a choice I can make
why? there are millions of good games that already exist. are you a developer?

>>714841409
Yes. Actually tell people not to play those games if they bother you so much. Of course, you're gonna get laughed out of the room because people are free to do whatever they want
You, SKGtrannies, on the other hand, need to stop eroding developers' freedoms.

>>714841180
Shut up Jason. You've worked less on your game than yandere dev and I'm not being hyperbolic.

>>714841574
Who the fuck is jason?

>>714841621
he's a filthy jew

>>714841524
Learn to move move on SKGtranny. How many times do I have to tell you?

>>714841551
Jason, you've been laughed out of every place on the internet already. Give it up.

>>714841551
>muh dev freedum

>>714841382
Because you're pleased with live service games and like purchasing them, yes.

>>714841180
this. artificial tranny movement and i dont give a shit if your online games stay alive or not. this doesn't affect any games i play anyway. fuck zoomer modern games

>>714841658
>move on
Take your own advice, Jason.
You've lost.
You are a loser.
The ship has sailed.
Owari da.
It's over.
Touch grass.

SKG won.

>>714841180
>Youtube videos about StopKillingGames get on average 3M views
You know Americans can't sign it, right?
Fucking retard.

>>714841551
Devs don't have a right to steal my license after I paid for it.

>>714841524
The Crew going offline would've been fine. But it didn't just go offline. The singleplayer got disabled too

>>714841694
>retard industry spook keeps adding his headcanons
where did you get that kind of schizophrenia?
I just want computers not to break the games I play. These ghouls can't be allowed to get away with setting expiration dates for games

>>714841774
I signed it last year.

>>714841541
>there are millions of good games that already exist.
I want more. Mad?

Dramatubers are showing how very little game development knowledge they have and it really shows. The only thing they are going to clarify is that they are more of a service like a subscription like how instead of owning games they are now saying you own a license. Different name; same result. Nothing changes because it's unreasonable to force every company to perpetually support their unprofitable games. Some games can't be turned offline like Knockout City and some gachas but the more complex things like MMO are much harder to support as easily. Infrastructure, IP rights, not wanting to give away their own engine built games, not making easier for cheaters to cheat, etc. It's a much more multi-faceted topic but people's ideas are so simplistic it sounds like a kid asking for world peace from Santa and having him figure it out himself.

>>714829539
Fuck off retarded troll.

>>714841747
>>714841658
>>714841621
>>714841551
samenigger
>inb4 inspect element screenshot

>>714841835
If you don't like online only games then why do you keep buying them?

>>714841835
>computers
companies
sorry it's like 6 in the morning

>>714829390 (OP)
Honestly? This whole thing is starting to feel like Sarkeesian 2.0.

You all say it’s about ethics or accountability or consumer advocacy, but at the end of the day, it’s just another excuse to dogpile someone you don’t like. First it was “he hates Stop Killing Games,” then it’s “he cheated at Animal Well,” now it’s “he’s a furry and cried one time”? You’re not fighting for a cause. You’re flailing for reasons to justify being cruel.

Same exact tactics:
Take clips out of context
Spin every emotional reaction into “proof”
Invent some sinister hidden agenda
Make harassment sound like activism

Anita said games affected people and got doxxed for a decade. Jason said review bombing doesn't fix anything and now you want him to disappear from the internet. Only difference is the side of the aisle doing the screaming.

You turned SKG, which started as a genuinely good idea into yet another purity test. If you’re not 100% aligned with the mob, you’re evil. If you disagree publicly, you’re a grifter. If you try to defend yourself, it’s “cope.” This isn’t consumer advocacy. It’s just GamerGate with a new coat of paint.

Jason never shut down a game server. He didn’t scam anyone. He didn’t mistreat his team. He spoke up about bad-faith actors weaponizing SKG and now you’re trying to erase his whole career. What the hell is that?

You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.

Congrats, you’ve become the thing you claimed to fight.

>>714829539
based bait poster keeping these threads bumped.
if the first 5 posts were just people going 'I support the movement, I hope something good comes from it" then no one would bother continuing to post in them

>>714841551
>Actually tell people not to play those games if they bother you so much.
Why? that won't stop them
why are you bringing retarded platitudes when I'm looking for solutions? I think the video game industry is shit because it's overmonetized and this is a direct step to counter that, so I signed. Why do you think I should be doing random shit that doesn't actually achieve what I want?

>>714829390 (OP)
Fuck off Jason faggot software

>>714841875
>shill keeps changing the topic
I'll keep saying it. stop killing games. stop taking them away

>>714841875
If you're not welcome here then why do you keep coming back?

>>714841857
good luck

>>714841180
>Vote with your wallet
I will.
And also my signature.

STOP RAPING THE FERRETS

stop buying dog shit

>>714841920
chef, this pasta is shitty and moldy. it's not even food

>>714841993
thanks, it's going well so far, petition goal was reached

>>714841920
Oh hell yeah new pasta dropped

>714841920
Do not reply to this post. Just don't do it.

Jason is a cool name
Stop trying to ruin it

>>714842091

>>714842010
Under communism, you wouldn't have a wallet.

>>714841920
>>714842101
Stale pasta actually.
6 times in 3 days is a bit much.

>>714842091
>petition goal was reached
not yet. the more signatures, the better. getting to at least 1.5M would be a good idea. hell, why not 2M

>>714842060
>>714842101
duality of anon

>>714842118
He put in a lot of effort into it, let him have his (You)s. He needs them. He craves them. They give his life a purpose. He's a ravenous beast. He doesn't bait because he wants to but because he has to.

>>714841971
>changing the topic
No? You buy live service games because you like them and don't want them taken away, which is why you support the movement.

>>714842142
This.
Ferretfucker's name is Maldavius, not Jason.

>>714842162
Under communism you wouldn't own what you bought and paid for, which is what the corpos you're fellating so much want.

Funniest thing is that Jason actually suffered from SKG because his views took a nosedive and his career is over.
Allegations are one thing and one can recover but a lolcow status is an enduring stigma.

>>714842286
Should be changed to Maldingvius considering how fucking salty this faggot is about everything.

>>714842343
>capitalism and consumer choice is communism
Get a load of this braindead retard

>>714842253
I'd prefer if the games I play weren't artificially made into services (aka (((servitization)))) but corpos do it so they can nickel and dime people by making them move on to a new iteration of the same game
as I said before
>stop killing games
>stop taking them away
>stop stealing people's money

>>714842364
I agree on the lolcow part but that does absolutely not mean his career is over. DSP is THE lolcow and his streams are more profitable than ever because negative engagement is still engagement.

>>714842364
There's a lot of autistic obsessives, so Jason would be just fine. I mean look at Chris Chan and DSP, they're thriving these days.

>>714834756
He literally insulted Ross for no reason and when Ross tried to reach out he ignored him

They will change some wording when you buy a game and that's that.

I'm convinced everyone who is against SKG is either a PirateSoftware dicksuck, a contrarian or a corporate shill.

it's such an objectively positive thing for the game industry that you can't seriously be against it in good faith. all the arguments against it I've seen have been retarded

>>714842464
I'm almost certain DSP leaned into and played up the lolcow angle because it's the part of his brand that sells. I've gotta admit, it's grown on me watching him be awful at games and then complain about it whenever something happens. He fucking got me...

>>714842507
Yes, in self defense. SKG movement continuously harassed PirateGaming and even doxxed and swatted him. It's literally just gamergate 2.0

>>714842470
Big difference is that neither of them are narcissists. I doubt ferretfucker's ego could handle being hated if he didn't have a majority of bootlickers thinking he is the greatest genius on earth.

>>714842616
the swatting is a lie, much like everything else he says

>>714842616
>in self defense
Lmao he did that shit like 9 months ago, way before the drama. Nobody is buying this.
Who is employing you to spam SKG threads with sewage like this?

>>714842583
And im convinced you faggots are some of the most annoying motherfuckers on v for spamming this shit so much. I dont give a rats ass one way or the other abiut this issue since i dont play live service garbage. Stop spamming the baord already, would? It just makes me hate you more

>>714842832
>ESL
Look, a hired jeet!

>>714842832
This so much, take your shitty gamergate asses back to kiwifarms

>>714842832
>on v for
They out themselves every time

>>714842583
The paid opposition literally have no valid arguments to latch on to so every fucking day in these threads they try a different tactic, and it never sticks.
Today it's this:
>>714838002
>>714838476
>>714839370
>>714839667
These are so obviously the same person it's painful.

>>714842286
go back to Bloomberg

>>714842832
Use it next time, you fucking retard.

>>714843039
no fucking shit. how many people do you think exist on this website you fucking dumb shit

>>714842832
> i dont play live service garbage
that's so cool, you're a real gamer, and you're right nobody should care about this because you don't

>>714843039
thanks for the (you)a gaijin

>>714842832
This has got to be a joke. This is who the corpos are paying to spread lies? It's just so hilariously desperate.

I hate bots

>>714843092
Way more than you think.

>>714843268
you and I are the only ones ones on this website

>>714843268
>>714843314
All (me) btw.

>>714830910
Mobile Suit Gundam Online
But that wouldn't be affected anyways, tragically

>>714843369
rip ip counter

>>714831593
>Bureaucrats shouldn't micromanage developers.
I can understand your point, I think you're being disingenuous. Which I'll go into as I go on.
>The blanket expectations are unrealistic.
No they aren't.
>These legislations discourage experimentation and outright lock Europeans out of games (because indie devs in Japan will absolutely not give a shit about european bureaucrats). Europe has virtually no game development (aside from a handful of big studios), and this sure as hell doesn't encourage anybody to change things.
>Source: my ass
>Even if you have your backend, you may not have the rights to distribute the code or the binaries for it.
Why are you paying for these additional services? Why are you paying for services you have to maintain if you're a small indie developer? Not only that but like expensive services. This part seems stupid
>And even if you DO have the rights, it takes a tremendous amount of resources to get it to a level where it can be distributed to end users (because it was never meant to be used that way). You would have to maintain at least 2 applications in parallel, and that's not counting the server. Nobody makes profit from developing an alternate version of the game. Nobody should be forced to hand over their backend.
Again this is a completely avoidable problem. Just don't pay for the expensive services.

This post is too long so I have to continue in another post.

Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a softball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?

From an outsider perspective, PirateSoftware is winning the moral war. SKG supporters are deranged for swatting and sending death threats to their opponents.

>>714831593
>>714843431
>It is also not possible to define what level of operability is expected. In a world the EU envisions, everybody would need lawyers even for taking a shit.
Basic minimum playability. Technically the game doesn't even have to be playable, it just has to be presented in a place that it can become playable. Such as requiring the userbase to build their own private servers. It really does not ask for much.
>Absolutely legitimate concern. Even just providing proper documentation to the service is like painting a big ass crosshair on your forehead for hackers. And the same implementation may be used for multiple services of yours.
>Google how to implement multiplayer
Oh no I'm destroying the industry!
>Instead of forcing developers to dance around idiotic legislations, the movement should have called for empowering PEOPLE to develop their own servers and emulators, and to have the right to run the shit they paid for legally even if the service ended.
That's exactly what this is asking for! Congratulations you managed to be a disingenuous asshole!

tl;dr shut the fuck up faggot

people will find a way

>>714843490
>They are walks in the park

>>714829390 (OP)
Ameriqiqes are so retarded

>>714843495
It's pretty much just another gamergate at this point. So glad I didn't sign the initiative. It's probably botted to all hell anyway.

>>714833247
Disinformation campaign.
They know it's a shot point to stand on but that doesn't mean they won't try.

>>714843643
To be fair the pushback was far worse before it got 1 millions signatures.
Now they are just repeatedly taking retarded potshots hoping something sticks.

>>714843495
>deranged for swatting and sending death threats to their opponents.
welcome to the internet, this is just the standard response to when someone gets in drama between fanbases or does some shit that's worth getting mad at. even if 99% of a community are chill there will always be the unhinged 1%

REMEMBER

It is not a corporate shill's job to convince you. Their arguments are trash and they know it, that's not the point. The point is to create the illusion of community conflict on an issue that has massive public support. They do this in an attempt to demoralize/exhaust the opposition and also because it looks good to their shareholders.

Only corpos and shills oppose this initiative. If an indie dev speaks out against it then they're an industry plant. Yes, there are lots of industry plants in the indie scene. Corporate suits noticed the cash ratio and success of indies and they want to have their cake and eat it too.

>>714843829
The unhinged always ruin it for the rest of us unfortunately.

>>714829390 (OP)
I kinda wonder how this initiative's logic would apply to mobile games or even gachas.

>>714843952
Megaman x dive would a good example to follow.

>>714843903
>They do this in an attempt to demoralize/exhaust the opposition
Confuses outsiders and makes that water real murky, too.

>>714843903
The corpos are too late to the punch to poison the well. It's highly unlikely 200k+ signatures are phonies.
Honestly let them organize Indians to push misinformation, because that's less time they're spending organizing lobbyists. The say-nothing corporate vomit as seen in the VGE statement isn't going to get them par once push comes to shove.

>>714829539
>support forever
Why do fucks like PS keep misinterpreting the initiative?
You know how EA's BF2 was basically dead online wise years ago but you could still access the arcade mode vs bots? It's basically just that. Let people play online games as offline with optional p2p server hosting or playable vs bots.
You know, how games used to be back in the 90s and 2000s.

>>714843952
Arguably F2P model games would be mostly exempt since they don't ask for a retail purchase to play. They are in essence a subscription based service where the subscription price is just $0. And thus carry the implicit understanding that they are only around as long as the game is maintained. Where SKG could be involved would be allowing private servers for such games once they have finished.

>>714844416
>Why do fucks like PS keep misinterpreting the initiative?

Because he's an industry plant hoping to use guile and charisma to trick people into misinterpreting the initiative.

>WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR INDIE DEVS?!!"

what is this argument? where the fuck are these live service indie games? Its not even feesible to develop a live service game on such a small scale unless the "live service" aspect is entirely ingame purchases kikery.

crazy how difficult it is to push pro consumer laws when over a million people went out of their way to sign the petition.

To have the right to play Call of Duty (or any game that uses dev supported servers) forever, and make my own servers when they're finished with official support, so I don't lose a potentially $70+ game because the publishers lost their nerve.

>>714829390 (OP)
Libtard commie scam to generate funds

>>714829539
Its my money i do whatever i wang with it
If you don't like it don't buy it simple as

>>714829390 (OP)
It's to stop getting online-only live service cawa doody and instead have games that can be played offline even after getting shut down.

>>714844794
The more you spam the threads, the longer they stay on the front page. The more will be made once this dies.
1.2 million signatures and climbing.

You know what would be an absolutely brilliant unintended outcome of all this? Companies being required to patch out 3rd party DRM shit after a certain point. Sure there would need to be haggling over when that point would be but it would make sense. If you game sits idle without content update for a certain amount of time and includes one of those bullshit DRMs like Denuvo then it should be required to patch it out.

>>714829390 (OP)
The reason why SKG has so many opponents is because Nintendo just released a console with Gamekey cards and console bricking terms.
/v/ is nintendo fan central so of course they must hate this.

>>714844986
tbf it's I think therefore I am
not, I exist if and only if I think
what he said is more like, it's a square therefore it's a rectangle

>>714844416
>misinterpreting
They do it on purpose.

>>714841551
>Dev uploads a virus that explodes your computer
"Uuugh Developer freedom"

>>714845824
Yet if Sony did it, you would call it based...

Pirate Software is worse than any lolcow or annoying streamer in history because he actively campaigned and almost succeeded in taking away your consumer rights and access to vidya.
You might dislike other streamers but ultimately they're just annoying and their harm ends when you just stop watching them and the drama surrounding them.
Had Pirate Software succeeded, he would've caused long lasting damage that goes beyond any eceleb shit. If SKG eventually succeeds and publishers can no longer steal games from you, remember that if Pirate Software had his way, your $70 purchase would be eventually taken from you.
Some people think the hate PS got was exaggerated but it really wasn't. He was actively campaigning to have your games and thus money stolen from you.

>>714845886
Unfortunately SKG might be in risk again after all this harassment happening. Gaming journalists are already starting to call SKG Gamergate 2.0

>>714829390 (OP)
It is so that corporate could get away with more data farming in their TOS while their games are still being playable even when out of support.

Corporate rat seriously thinks companies would release their server binaries with no catch whatsoever

>>714845824
Funny thing because they can't do that by law and that law even overwrites copyleft and cuck licenses that say they claim no responsibility for software issues. One cannot distribute intentionally malicious software. Anti-SKG fags do the equivalent of saying software could be intentionally malicious without any repercussions. So an anti-SKG fag would he perfectly fine with Ubishit wiping all data on his computer on a whim.

>>714829390 (OP)
imagine I couldnt play deus ex in 2025 cause eidos turned the online required game off.

>>714840160
bait harder vile schlomo

>>714845873
Don't be ridiculous. That Film games studio can choke on a bag of dicks. Same with Microsoft and Nintendo.

>>714846049
Journalist have no power in 2025 and this is just fear mongering. If anything, I can see the usual suspects turning against journos because they've always been obsessed with game preservation way before SKG stuff.

>>714829539
Then I guess they'll just need to invest in non-live service games.

>>714846257
Don't let your guard down, the gaming media managed to kill Stargate 2 dead, just because the dev wore a "Make FPS great again" hat.
It's also not like we've haven't seen high profile publications change their stance whenever it's convenient for them. I'm just saying be prepared for it, it's clear that their intention now is to drive further division by turning SKG into another gamergate.

>be Pirate Software
>try to kill games
>kill your career instead
KEK

SKG really exposed gamer youtubers as being very, very ignorant of game development. Luke Stephens with his "not my problem" attitude is sadly common among the burst of supporters they got toward the end. This is like seeing people saying they know how to run a restaurant because they saw a few episodes of Restaurant: Impossible. Oversimplifying the complexity of the issue just makes you look very ignorant to everybody else that is not part of it.

>>714846419
No, I mean that people to whom journos usually appeal to are firmly on SKG side. Worst case scenario they'll try to appropriate the movement, not that it would change anything.
It would be like some company trying to lobby media to push propaganda to repeal animal cruelty laws. It wouldn't really work because there wouldn't be groups to fight against each other as both major voterbases are vehemently in favor of such laws.
The proper course of action for an evil company would be to distract people from the issue so a movement like this stops early in its tracks but now it's too late.

Stop Keeping Garbages

>>714846628
Well it is because the creator of this movement is completely ignorant of this issue too.

>If I pretend game development is rocket science, maybe someone will fall for my lies

>>714846628
Game devs will accommodate or perish. Very simple.
Developers are scum and deserve no mercy. The rampant anti-consumer behavior has peaked and must be curbed.

>>714846736
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a pancake recipe.

So, this movement is nothing more than ressentiment.

>>714829594
oh man you don't know how fucked are some car manufactures are. It's getting worse than games.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/7/23863258/bmw-cancel-heated-seat-subscription-microtransaction

>>714829539
Good.

>>714830165
Don't let "perfection" be the enemy of "better"

skg lost
Thor won
games will die

>>714829901
>every cod up to mw 2019 could give you computer aids (rce) by simply trying to play a multiplayer match
yeah nice support bro

>>714846749
The sad part is that a lot of this sort of stuff is just borderline magic to the newer generations. They don't even understand simple stuff like file directory structure. So it would be no surprise that many would fall for the lies that it is all to difficult to do the sorts of things being asked.

>>714829539
Something like Minecraft already complies with everything is asked for and is still supported and makes tons of money.
What now idiot?

>>714829539
>no AAA studio is going to invest in a live service game
You say this like it is a bad thing.

>>714846461
It was bound to happen. Being a narcissist AND a retard is like a ticking time bomb

>>714829390 (OP)
>what's the point of this movement? to play call of duty forever?
To play any game you bought for as long as you like. To preserve videogames instead of destroying them.

>>714829539
>Legally obligated to support it forever or give up their IP
Man, imagine if it were that simple to kill forever-and-a-day copyright laws.
That's be nice.

But probably it'll just amount to sellers just having to tell you upfront that a game service is finite or not. Possibly with a prominent pop up box stating such for anyone from the EU trying to buy it, maybe with a legal requirement to refund purchases made if the game dies off at Concord speeds.

you do know there's 0 chance of lobbied politicians letting this pass, right?

>>714829539
>no AAA studio is going to invest in a live service game if they are legally obligated to support it forever or give up their IP
This is where you're wrong. The cost of giving people dedicated servers or the ability to make private servers at the end of the game's lifecycle is so miniscule when compared to the profit they make from a successfull service game that this will be just ''seatbelts 2.0''. Corporations will fight it initially but in the end the might incorporate it the advertising how safe their new cars are. Watch some videogame publishers start advertising how their live service has planned dedicated servers in the future so you can play afer the official servers shut down.

>>714848046
>you do know there's 0 chance of lobbied politicians letting this pass, right?
This is the EU.
>EU forced Valve and any other digital videogame store to push for vieogame refunds
>EU force Apple into USB-C
This is the EU we are talking about. This is not Ameristan.

>>714848235
It was the Australian ACCC that forced Valve to start doing the refunds due to Australian consumer law. That being said I kind of hope the ACCC end up getting involved in this whole thing too.

>>714848312
Australia was too small to matter anon, it was the EU who made this take hold internationally.

>>714848046
Pretty much, we'd need an advocacy group of our own, one with enough money to hire lobbyists and support legislation to advance our goals. Ross is the defacto leader of SKG and he's just not qualified or capable of leading something like this, nor does he have the capacity to create such an organization.

We've got one team, supported by just about every player in a multi-billion dollar industry with a team of a dozen lawyers and lobbyists rearing to get to work in one corner, and a bunch of disorganized chucklefucks in the other, who the fuck do you think is going to get their way in the end? This is an unwinnable scripted loss type battle, the one where even if you win in gameplay you still lose in the subsequent cut-scene.

>>714833198
>It's also not legally definable
yes it is you fucking idiot

>>714832716
you again

>>714848456
Australia is fairly high up in the retail gaming market despite population size. Valve got told to either offer refunds or get fucked and they could no longer sell here. The ACCC is noted as being the prime reason this started and was enforced.

>>714848665
Australia is the one who started action first but they are not the main reason. If the EU had not gotten involved this would've eneded up bein a thing just in Australia.

>>714829781
because its his middle name "jason thor hall"
and thor is a "cooler" name than jason
its also better for brand recognition

>>714829539
>give up their IP
they dont have to
thats not how it works

>>714829539
They don't have to, just have an exit strategy that doesn't turn the game you bought into a useless coaster.

Several games have already proved its possible to have an offline version of a once online only game.

>>714829539
This. Why the FUCK would you filthy poor animals want poor triple A publishers like me to work and support a game forever? Why on Earth would I ever give out a game's expiry date and the ability to have a game be playable offline or have local server hosting available? Disgusting, eat my entire ass.

>>714832716
You sound like a retarded lolbertarian. No one is dictating development practices they're advocating for actual property rights. If I buy something it is mine and you can't just take it back or destroy it later. You can't pretend to sell me an item then later say haha sorry it was actually a subscription service and now we just turned it off teehee.

>>714830910
Dominion era League of Legends. Nothing like it to this day. Even if they brought Dominion itself back their stupid fucking reworks deleted most of the character pool from that time.