Thread 714854713

>kills indiegames to cause a minor inconvenience to AAA studios
S-sasuga industry plant-sama, I kneel

>>714854713 (OP)
(you)

>>714854713 (OP)
noo, don't kill all those indie live service games.

>>714854713 (OP)
>kills indie games
How?

>>714854713 (OP)
Didn't know that PirateCuck (((you))) was on /v/

>>714854713 (OP)
>industry plant
The industry are fucking seeeething about him. The lobbying group wrote a massive copepost about it.

>>714854713 (OP)
Ah yes, the industry plant who started the initiative that the industry lobbying group with every major game publisher as a part of it wants shut down.

lol dgaf

>>714854713 (OP)
Name 5

What indie game requires always online server calls and DRM?

You don't understand, we NEED to set a standard for Government regulations on video games!!! We might lose The Crew 2 next!!!

I have SGK fatigue.

>>714854713 (OP)
Indie developers aren't making live-service slop that needs dedicated servers at end of service to continue playing.

>>714854921
Luna in the Tavern

>>714854713 (OP)
>noooo not the hecking wholesome and quirky piles of earthbound clones made in mspaint
Burn it all down, indie or AAA, all of it

>>714854870
Thats what industry plants do, destroy the industry that planted them, didnt you hear?
(their) mindbending logic is flawless

If you can't sell a fair product, don't. It's not okay to scam because it's small time.

>>714854713 (OP)
Yeah this argument isn't going to land either. I liked you better when you were being honest.

>>714854923
t.

indie games don't do live service because it's too expensive to maintain, fucking path of exile was only able to do it 12 years ago because they had and have the most expensive fucking cosmetics known to man and supporter packs specifically targeted at whales. why are people trying to gaslit everyone into thinking making an always online game is easier than an offline game.

>>714854940
There's an easy way to stop that: just stop killing games. It's that easy.

>>714854713 (OP)
Your movement's fucked. We'll just make it about politics, right wing extremism and have the ADL do the rest of the magic.

You really thought you'd fuck with our profits?

OK which known indies would be affected by this. Name them.

I would rather gaming die than have to listen to these fat ameritards roll into these threads calling everyone against it a shill Pajeet then telling them to go to a U.K petition because their own country is too cucked to do anything.

>Piratesoftware’s reputation is destroyed
>Karl Jobst lost
>TheQuartering is broke
>DSP is getting felted
>iDubbuz’s reputation is destroyed
>Hassan is being shit on
>Destiny is facing legal troubles
>MisterMetokur has been reduced to gargling Trumps nuts and talking to VTubers
>Nick Rekieta has lost his entire support base and is a drug addict on probation
>Grummz outed as a weirdo degenerate
>Styx possibly going to jail
Is 2025 year of the eceleb grifter downfall?

>>714854713 (OP)
>low IQ bait
Mesmerizing

>>714854713 (OP)
>has to grow a pair of eyes in the back of his head from now on
Ross is playing with fire and he's about to get burned.

Let's go mold man

>>714854768
It doesn't. People who claims Stop Killing Games can materially harm indies do not understand the movement. They tell on themselves in a really interesting way.

>>714855048
I'm happy to report that I only have a vague idea of who 2 or 3 of these people are

>>714854970
Just buy them from itch instead of the browser versions

>>714855048
WOOOOOOOOAAAAAAHHHHHH BUDDY!!!!!!!

>>714855181
Can’t wait until they cover piratesoftware

>>714854713 (OP)
how about kys so you stop causing /v/ a minor inconvenience?

>>714855125
Keep it that way for your own sake. Not worth learning the intimate details pulling from the lives of a bunch of sackless cucks.

>>714854807
surely any time now, the op will provide a rational explanation

>>714855295
I still remember when half those people, especially metokur, were glazed on this site. Glad people are finally putting the ecelebs in the trash where they belong

>>714854807
it's not that hard to figure it out for yourself, indie devs cant afford to run multiple servers for all eternity. this will basically kill indie multiplayer games

>>714854923
There already is a set of standard government regulations on video games, it's called copyright law, trademark law and patent law, all of which cause massive problems with the continued sale, use and maintenance of software.
Movements like "stop killing games" aim to plug the gaps created by IP law without getting engaged in toppling a global conspiracy of mutually dicksucking law firms that rely on international treaties backed by unelected governments.
In that respect it is much like copyleft and aims to undermine the existing cancerous system of copyright without actually doing it.

>>714855436
> indie devs cant afford to run multiple servers for all eternity
Thank god SKG isn’t asking for that then

>>714855568
>indie devs cant afford to run multiple servers for all eternity
indie devs already don't run their own servers, they use services like steam or epic to do so.

Do you guys think that at some point people here will stop starting threads steeped in irony just to bait replies? Does sincerity have a chance of returning?

>>714855506
>copyright law, trademark law and patent law
None of which help me as a consumer in any way, only the money makers. It's so sad.

>>714854713 (OP)
Fuck off jason "tor" faggot software

>>714855597
for
>>714855436

>>714855506
I don't care, this shit is gay and seeing it spammed constantly is annoying, fuck off to Reddit, Asmongold and Markiplier aren't going to see you here.

>>714855436
Look anon, I know you are trolling, I know that you know that ain't no indie dev can afford central servers so its mostly peer-to-peer connections, which means that the whole thing is already safe
But I will still call you a faggot and tell you to kill yourself

>>714854713 (OP)
Based.

>>714855048
>>arrogant faggot ruins his reputation
good
>>Karl Jobst lost
idk who that is
>>TheQuartering is broke
idk who that is
>>DSP is getting felted
DSP is retarded and wasted thousands on a WWE gacha, he deserves it
>>iDubbuz’s reputation is destroyed
it was already destroyed for revealing he found empathy at 30
>>Hassan is being shit on
he has the twitch jannies all over his dick, so nothing will happen unless actual cops get involved
>>Destiny is facing legal troubles
JonTron wins again
>>MisterMetokur has been reduced to gargling Trumps nuts and talking to VTubers
he's dying so who cares
>>Nick Rekieta has lost his entire support base and is a drug addict on probation
idk who that is
>>Grummz outed as a weirdo degenerate
he'd fit in on 4chan
>>Styx possibly going to jail
idk who that is
>Is 2025 year of the eceleb grifter downfall?
no

End of life plan is easy for indie devs since most of them can't afford shit like server hosting.

how did notch and the terraria faggot solve this incredible problem?

>industry plant-sama
But that's not Maldavius Figtree.
OP, stop sucking cocks too much, it messes with your brain too much.

>>714855436
>it's not that hard to figure it out for yourself
The cry of someone who already lost the argument.
>indie devs cant afford to run multiple servers for all eternity
Noone's asking them to retard.
You don't even know what SKG is asking for and making dumbass interpretations and mythical scenarios

>>714854713 (OP)
Gigabased, I assume every /v/tard has already voted for this?

>>714855048
I'm so glad I only know who two of these faggots are, if only it were zero

>>714854713 (OP)
>>714855436
>indie
>live service
pick one and only one

>>714854713 (OP)
Name always online indie games

>>714855048
>>MisterMetokur has been reduced to gargling Trumps nuts and talking to VTubers
qrd? wasn't this nigger supposed to be dead?

How would this work for say an indie game with multiplayer like stardey valley if it didnt make absurd money? Genuinely curious since I dunno anything about the initiative basically.

>>714856628
The cancer hasn't killed him yet, and he's talked to maybe two Vtubers who were getting shunned by xitter niggers and slandered by journos.

>>714856628
He’s been saying he’s dying for like 5 years now. He saw trump get shot at and for some reason clapped so hard he went full MAGAdrone and started shilling for him hard. Not really sure why, maybe brain damage. He tweets shit like this all the time.
His streams are nearly unwatchable now. It’s just him complaining about politics while occasionally inserting his cope laugh. He talked to a vtuber because he’s an anime coomer degen

>>714854713 (OP)
>kills indiegames
Indiegames? You mean games like:
>Noita DRM free on GOG
>UnEpic DRM free on GOG
>Factorio DRM free on GOG
>DeadCells DRM free on GOG
>Rimworld DRM free on GOG
>Terraria DRM free on GOG
>Subverse DRM free on GOG
>ECHO DRM free on GOG
>Styx:Shard of Darkness DRM free on GOG
>FTL DRM free on GOG
>Into the Breach DRM free on GOG
>Absolver DRM Free on GOG
>Little Nightmares DRM Free on GOG
>Blasphemous DRM free on GOG
>Hellpoint DRM fre on GOG
>Bastion DRM free on GOG
>HotlineMiami 2 DRM free on GOG
>Surviving Mars DRM free on GOG
>Void Bastards DRM free on GOG
I can keep going. Anyone who says that this will affect indies is a complete faggot. Indies are the ones that put out DRM free games in the first place.

>>714856791
Any comments from him regarding Epstein killing himself and there never being a clients list?

>>714856738
It wouldn't affect Stardew valley

indie devs aren't the studios churning out gaas games with an expiration date. and if they do then they're indie scammers probably crapping out yet another godawful digital trading card game in to the ocean of digital trading card games.

>>714856847
Video evidence of trump on Epstein island could come out and he’d be in full denial

>>714854713 (OP)
I can feel you shaking in your boots, shill-kun. Day of the rope is fast approaching.

>>714856791
good thing i stopped watching his streams at about when he announced he's dying
he used to be funny during all the "internet sceptic" e-celeb drama, those videos and streams were fun to watch

Realistically, which company will be the most assmad once the initiative goes through? It’s gotta be Blizzard right?

>>714856603
agario

>>714856894
>starts off every video like he just smashed his dick in a car door
Never gets old

>>714856940
I know. Sucks to see what he’s become. The old him would be shitting on the modern version of him

NNOoOOOoOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOO
NOT MY INDIE LIVE SERVICE GAMES
HOW CAN I LIVE WITHOUT MY INDIE LIVE SERVICE GAMES??????????????????????????

Wait, now that I think about it name 10 relevant Indie Live Services that actually completely closed their servers and became impossible to play in the last 10 years

>>714857001
helloOO

>>714856954
Sony. Despite the failures of their past GaaSlop, they're still going all-in on the trend.
Since any kind of law change as a result of SKG won't affect already released games, unreleased games are where they're going to be hit.

>>714854713 (OP)
oh right its shill-o'clock

>>714854713 (OP)
How would it affect them you stupid retarded idiot if what you buy from indie already placed on your computer? Dishonest lair spreading misinformation pirate software wannabe

thank god the EU exists to protect us consumers from the reign of the capitalist pigs trying to scam everyone every chance they get. americans should listen and learn. a billionaire telling you to go fuck yourself and not buy into his scam if you don't like it isn't having rights as a consumer.

>>714854713 (OP)
How many indie devs are making live service games? That's just irresponsible for a small studio.

>>714855436
Someone should ban your stupid, moronic ass. This place used to have a higher class of trolls and trolling. Now we have low IQ shit-for-brains like you.

Based Ross. I've been watching game dungeon since eternam was the newest episode so its good to see him get recognition

>>714856791
Metokur is very obviously just grifting off his remaining fanbase, he's too out of the loop with the current internet culture to do shit like internet bloodsports again and he needs money for his chemo so he just appeals to the gay retarded trad cath larpers like everyone else sucking Trump off while constantly shilling his merch.

>>714856954
Ubisoft was so ass-mad about the petition they updated their EULA so that you'll have to destroy your physical copies of the games you own if they terminate service

>>714857113
I can’t wait for him to get back to game dungeon. Hyper comfy videos
>let’s talk about the music!

>>714854807
Because...uh because...it just will okay!

>>714857110
>trolling was better in 2015!!
cmon nigger you dont actually believe that

>>714855436
ship the server software with the game so people can run their own servers, ezpz.

>>714856738
>How would this work for say an indie game with multiplayer
You can look up UnEpic or Project Zomboid. Both are DRM free and still have multiplayer and give the player to play in lan/PtP or make their own servers in the case of Project Zomboid. People who keep arguing about indies never actually played any indies.

>>714856628
Kiwifags had an absolute meltdown because he talked to a vtuber fan of his that Null doesn’t like

>>714857168
Source?

>>714855048
Don't forget Razorfag getting roasted for grooming his ex-girlfriend while she was underage.

>>714855048
nope vtubing is bigger than ever and they're in more games than ever. ecelebs won.

>>714857143
Him turning down the opportunity to interview DSP was the most pathetic thing ever. Imagine being afraid of Phil. Even his Boogie “confrontation” was weak as fuck and carried by other people on that stream

>>714856603
Among Us

>>714857356
Their EULA

https://www.ubisoft.com/legal/documents/eula/en-US

>>714857213
nta but at least they didn't have access to an AI that can spit out whatever autistic thought their spergbrain shat up.

Will Gachas become more or less popular? They won't die any case because it isn't just fomo that people like about them, but the experience of being there at its height.

EOS will guarantee you get to keep your shit...but EOS might also mean even people who didn't pay get to have shit that YOU might have gambled away for.

>>714854713 (OP)
Indie devs don't make live service games

well on the topic of dead live service games, I fucking miss Firefall. I've been searching years for a game like it but nothing really came close.. except for Anthem hahahahAAAAAAA

>>714855048
It would be hilarious if we find out the SKG guy is a secret pedophile. Just to make 2025 super special.

>>714857168
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2554731/ubisofts-new-eula-requires-gamers-to-destroy-all-copies-of-outdated-games

>>714854713 (OP)
literally just need to provide the ability to provide private servers bro

Rip avorion even though it died once.. lmao

>>714857551
>People might wait for EoS to get it for cheap
Just like people do for AAA games you mean? Oh wait, they have millions of pre-orders.

>>714857607
Ross Scott was consumed by the mold years ago. I don't even think he can physically interact with others without collapsing into a pile of spores.

>>714857504
This is so stupid it's not even funny anymore

https://youtu.be/71FCj5lWg5g
they're right you know

>>714857607
He already looks like a /r/teenagers user

>>714854713 (OP)
>kills indiegames
literally how many online only indiegames are there?
if your game cant survive on dedicated servers it deserves death

>>714855048
>Destiny is facing legal troubles
you mean winning his legal case lmao

>>714857873
>literally how many online only indiegames are there?
>>714856825

>>714857504
>>714857624
>mfw Ubisoft Pinkerton agents show up to my house with blowtorches ready to destroy my copy of assassins creed 7

>>714854713 (OP)
You'll still be able to make GAAS, you'll just have to stop pretending that people can buy your game. You'll have to sell subscriptions to a service instead, which is what it always was.

>>714857504
>players will be summarily executed if they refuse to destroy their physical copies after the service is rendered offline

>>714854713 (OP)
>oh no, not always online drm indies who rather kill their own game than remove the drm

>>714857912
>How many online only indie games are there?
>posts list of random offline single player games

>>714854713 (OP)
SKGfags are the biggest virtue signaling cunts around and that's enough reason to not support this.

>over 1.2 million signatures
Is piratesoftware seething?

>>714858095
And here comes captain contrarian, acting against his own interests to own the libs.

You can look at games like "The Forest" as gaas, it received game updates regularly during its early access stage, and you could host your own servers.
There's no excuse besides utter incompetence for not allowing players to host their own servers even from indie studios.

>>714858097
He's butthurt. Analyl anguished. Rectally ravaged.

>>714858097
no, they orchestrated him being the fall guy to make this get as much attention as possible

the internet cannot resisting shitting on him so if hes involved in something it'll get insane attention.

it's weaponized hate

>>714858140
>There's no excuse besides utter incompetence
Or malicious intent.

>>714858140
B-b-but Anon! They'll have to waste like an week to give you the tools! Think about how many pride flag they could fit into the game in that time!

>>714858097
He has been postin this shit here every day all day long.
Safe to say he will soon have aneurysm from all the seething.

>>714854713 (OP)
But unironically, this could fuck up every game using Steamworks, since all indie games would be required to have non-Steamworks solution, just in case Steamworks ever shuts down. Same goes for PSN/Xbox Live on consoles. Indies would probably figure it out, but it would still be harder to make.

>>714858038
>posts list of random offline single player games
ProjectZomboid has online play, you can make dedicated servers and mod them.

>>714858261
>online only

>>714858247
>they will have to make sure that their games works without steamworks
Sounds like something great to me. Less games relying on Gay Benn's jewish videogame store is good news.

I don't really follow streamers so I don't get why that Pirate guy is so angry about this, was he working on a live service game?

>>714858312
Sorry i don't know of any indie games that are online only and don't have the option to be played on a dedicated server/LAN or PtP.

>>714858371
>was he working on a live service game
yes, but it is mostly ego thing where he can't handle being wrong about something and crashes out

>>714858371
I think he was. The game publisher disavowed him and said they support SKG. Then they're not working together any more.

>>714858140
NOOOO, think of the poor publishers wasting money on developers doing a basic thing for games! Eat my entire ass.

>>714858247
You can release a game on Steam that just ignores it when it can't access Steamworks.

>>714858140
a business should be allowed to utilize a temporary ownership model when they sell a luxury good, for whatever reason they see fit, no matter how indie or triple A. they could simply think that when it comes time for a sequel, they should have the option to compel people to move on to the new product

if that sounds scummy or you cant imagine a scenario where you'd want this, then dont buy from businesses that refuse to give transparency roadmaps for EoL phases of their products and advocate for others to do the same, simple

the issue with SKG faggots is that they realize they cant win without forcing legislation because consumers have proven they are willing to compromise permanent ownership or offline functionality if they deem the product worthy otherwise, Nu Hitman is a PRIME example of this. Neckbeard retard Ross along with all of you faggots HATE that Nu Hitman, despite being INCREDIBLY clear about being always online and explicitly stating they have no end of life plans at this time, sold very well and continues to sell well

vote with your wallet when it comes to luxury goods you morons, dont compel businesses, big or small, through legislation, to have to make the kind of toy you want

>>714855048
>>MisterMetokur has been reduced to gargling Trumps nuts and talking to VTubers
the Kirsche collab was great, I hope we get more of them

>>714854713 (OP)
I sure hope you're a troll and not a shill.

Guys, I don’t know if you know this
But did you know piratesoftware worked at blizzard?

>>714858697
>a business should be allowed to utilize a temporary ownership model when they sell a luxury good
already exists faggot

>>714857504
How much time since corpos will start just asking for money with nothing in return?

>>714858697
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
STOP HURTING CORPORATIONS NOOOOOOO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO FUCK YOU OVER STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

>>714858247
All you need to do is be honest and say you're selling a subscription and not a game. Then you're not required to support it forever

>>714858664
I mean shit like authentication, matchmaking, lobbies and servers stuff.

>>714857213
You would have to be real low vibration NPC cattle to disagree with that, you MIGA niggers from Facebook really did a number on this site.

>>714858697
>they should have the option to compel people to move on to the new product
how about they actually start putting effort into their next product if they want people to move on?

>>714858168
its insane you retards cant imagine a single good reason for this to be the case

perhaps they want to compel consumers to move on to the sequel

perhaps investors would only put down their money to make the game if the developer went with an always online model in order to curb piracy (doesnt matter if they are right in thinking this, its their business motherfucker, they could choose to invest only if the whole office wore bowties, its their choice)

Nu Hitman could have only been made because they promised investors the game would have the model it does

which allows the game to be made

then company is upfront with their intentions and people still buy it and are happy

what the fuck is your right to disrupt this? that exchange was mutually beneficial. just dont buy it if you dont like it you retard

>>714858983
hi pirate

>>714856603
SBurb

>>714858983
>perhaps they want to compel consumers to move on to the sequel
That's exactly what I said, "malicious intent." They want to actively discourage you from playing a game in order to sell you on the next game. That's malicious intent.
Didn't read the rest.

>>714858312
aren't you asking him to make your argument for you at this point

>>714858961
you can already compel that by not purchasing the thing

if others still purchase it and no party is deceptive, then you are simply upset people have different thresholds of compromise than you

>>714859073
once again, if you view the practice as malicious, then dont buy it. there is no need to legally compel any practice here

>>714859092
>and no party is deceptive
so you agree corpos are deceptive.
Thanks for conceding.

>>714856954
WoW is subscription through and subs are outside of the scope of the initiative. The attack vector is that games are being sold like a product but publisher can arbitrarily treat it like a service with indeterminate end date . WoW is clear you pay month by month so it doesn't work there.

>>714858983
>perhaps they want to compel consumers to move on to the sequel
Once again im using "the forest" as an example.

>>714854921
Operation Lovecraft

>>714856894
>thumbnail
FOR GOD'S SAKE OPEN THE SILO DOOR
THEY'RE COMING FOR US IT'S OUR ONLY WAY OUT
OH MY GOD WE'RE DOOMED!

>>714858814
no shit moron, im saying there shouldnt be any legislation to change this in any way because its working as intended. isolated incidents like the crew where they didnt give enough notice should be litigated under the current laws we already have to punish that malpractice

i swear this place used to be against government just shoving their cock in everything, and the alternative isnt sucking corpo cock. if you think saying "vote with your wallet" is being a corporate cocksucker, you're completely lost

>>714859092
>company makes a new game
>don't like it, wants to stick with the old installation
>company removes my ability to stick with the old installation

wow, galaxy brain IQ here!
>inb4 it's written in the TOS-
it's not. 30+ pages of legalese not written in layman terms is bullshit in EU.
Cope again.

>>714859013
that guy is a fag but he's literally right about this

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>714855436
LMAO

>>714859194
if a publisher or developer is deceptive, we literally already currently have ways to litigate this

we do not need additional laws or compulsions

>>714859336
>someone has fair, light criticism about Stop Killing Games
>"Nooo you don't understand the proposal, it's not X, it's Y"
>another person criticizes Y
>"Sigh... People still don't understand the proposal is not about Y, but actually about X?"

I'm fucking done with this stupid subject. It is impossible to say anything negative about it because Stop Killing Games is like the holy spirit: it's nowhere, and at the same time everywhere. It's about nothing, and at the same time everything. No matter what you criticize, it'll always be "wrong" because it is actually about whatever point you did not criticize; and this point will oportunistically change once the next person says they disagree.

Fuck everyone involved with this. Bunch of dishonest vulture clowns turning this into another Gamergate

>>714859141
>if you don't like it, don't buy it
I don't, but that's beside the point. If you're game's community falls apart and only six people are still playing it, those six people should have the ability to continue playing the game that they paid you for on their own private server.
Maybe try to make an actual argument, instead of defaulting to the standard shill response.

>>714854713 (OP)
Supporting independent game developers, including those from marginalized racial groups, LGBTQ+ communities, and underrepresented backgrounds, is crucial for fostering innovation, inclusivity, and a thriving future in the gaming industry.
They are the ones who create revolutionary new experiences utilizing the blockchain, AI, and other emerging technologies, significantly expanding their creative control, unlocking new revenue streams through NFTs, fostering deeper engagement with players, and building a more inclusive and vibrant future for interactive entertainment.
This movement wants to put an end to all of it, so I BEG YOU TO NOT SIGN THIS!

>>714859392
>you're dishonest!!
>muh gamergate
Show nose

>>714859342
Corporate tools will do corporate stuff.

>>714859141
So why would people buy it in the first place? Cattle

>>714859319
if they were upfront about that and you still bought it, you either did that calculus and determined it was worth the product, or you're a dumbfuck and never pay attention to what you're buying

if there were not upfront about that, we currently already have laws in place to litigate when companies are deceptive with what they've sold you. if you are one of the 5 people incensed about the crew 1 going offline, and ross is correct that legally they needed to give more notice before shutting the product down, then get a class action together you dummy

NOWHERE does any of this require some further legislation or lawmaking that would put undue burden on companies BOTH big and small

>>714859392
Oy vey, nobody wants to accept light criticism like "but then how can the company fuck you over if you have the legal right to play the game?"
These goys are just so insane

>>714859258
>make game with multiplayer components
>turns out well and popular enough
>make a sequel
>leave the first game intact and functional
Wow, it's just really that simple.

>>714859342
>The mmo review man wants to kill online games
Yes that totally makes sense.
Though SKG works in his favour. If the game can be played on a private server means he can do a retrospective analysis of a shitty game that failed.

>>714859258
what is that an example of? that its easy to give consumers offline versions?? so?? the difficult is not at all the point. I dont care if its as simple as pressing a button, the point is that you have no basis to legally compel a company to push that button if they were upfront with you in saying they dont want to, for whatever reason they deem fit

if they were not upfront, we already have ways of litigating this

>>714859342
Because GamerGate self sabotaged by allowing right wing grifters to take the lead. Corporations would love the same to happen to SKG.
They push DEI because that way than can defame critique of their business practices as hate speech.

>>714858697
I mean they don't abide by "vote with your wallet" (see IP laws) so why should I?

>>714859342
Now that the train is rolling and they can't stop it, they can only try to derail it.

>>714858983
>>714859141
The fact companies( you company sellout) even practice and enforce this upon naivee consumers. Kill yourself

>>714859417
>those six people should have the ability to continue playing the game that they paid you for on their own private server

if the game's ownership model did not include this, and they willingly paid for this, then no, they should defintionally NOT have the ability to continue using the product

im actually giving you arguments over and over again, its you who is failing to give an argument. you are giving me prescriptive statements without backing them up at all.

>>714859342
Based only on other posts I've seen by this guy, the guy he's talking about says the exact opposite of what he's claiming he is.

>>714858697
>a business should be allowed to utilize a temporary ownership model when they sell a luxury good, for whatever reason they see fit
I guess television companies should have the power to confiscate your television whenever they arbitrarily feel like you've used it enough?

>>714859720
Looks like the SKG movement is following in Gamegate's footsteps by being a harassment campaign towards PirateSoftware.

>>714859596
Noooooo, you don't understand, we don't want to actually make a better game, we want to wipe everyone's skins and progression so they pay more in mtx again. If the old game is playable they might choose to keep playing that and not buy the new one, we'll be financially ruined.

And the gamedevjew lobby group would hurt Innovation. If anything it would improve it because you'd actually have to compete with older games instead of shutting them down in favour of shit better optimised for money extraction.

>>714859818
Keep being a slobtuber lover you nigger

>>714859536
if you feel this way then spread the word, try yelling at people not to buy nu hitman. i dont think they care much though because it sold well despite all the screeching about alwaysonline so maybe you should just go buy a different product and dont concern yourself with products that have models of ownership that arent for you

Gotta say it is so fucked that despite being the face of Capitalism, the US has absolutely dogshit consumer rights and is so fucked that lobbyists can rape any attempt of something similar while it is still in the crib. Now everyone is forced to rely on the EU to set the prescient that you can’t fuck over consumer’s products because you don’t care about them anymore. It is depressing to see how shitty everything has gotten solely because of greed, not just video games.

>>714859901
>spread the word
Which is what stopkillinggames doing lmao

>>714859737
how do they not abide by "vote with your wallet"???

are they holding you at gunpoint to buy the latest hitman game?

I want to know the game that has such a complex server architecture that it cannot ever be made LAN or scaled down to private servers. Does this game exist?

>>714859546
Cool, so this will resolve in a nothingburger if you're right.
However, if the EU commission will acknowledge that there's an issue, then they'll act upon it.
And we'll get an EOL plan for games.
And you'll keep having a melty.

>>714855048
SKG is literally supported by e-celeb grifting.

>>714859758
advocate for more consumer awareness then you absolute fucking moron, dont advocate to completely destroy a form of business for a luxury good

>>714855506
You don't understand government regulation to allow corporations have the exclusive right to such innovative concepts like
>throw trap at monster
>defeated enemies will hate you and come back for revenge
is perfectly okay and not stifling innovation, but not being able to kill games so you don't have to compete with them will

Remind me again about how the Lootbox Ban in EU came into being.

>>714859392
>Gamergate
>”Noooo, I can’t destroy purchased products anymore because I need to sell my new snake oil. GOVERNMENT REGULATION BAD!”
Corporate shill or lolbert, call it

>>714859960
IP law is literally compelling people to buy by force of government yes.

>>714859810
if there were 500 different televisions companies and you chose the 1 that had this model, you either thought it was worth it or you're a fucking retard


you realize you dont even have to make an analogy like this because were already have something similar in real life, right?

printers

HP printers literally DO NOT WORK if you dont use their special cartridges. guess what though motherfucker? they arent the only printer company, epson allows CUSTOM cartridges and has no such restriction. this is called COMPETITION you commie fuck, and both companies do very well. People are allowed to buy the restrictive and exclusive option if they deem the quality worth it, or they can go buy the flexible product.

And for some fucking reason, you think HP shouldnt be allowed to use the business model they do

>>714860023
Stopkillinggames is not going to kill anything you pirate software larp basement discord erping wbore cum whore

>>714860240
I know you're taking the piss, but I also know there's some retard out there that actually thinks this way.

>>714859958
it implies proposing legislation. its a petition to get the EU to act on this in some governmental capacity

unless the end result of the petition is that the EU just puts a bunch of buyer beware stickers on Ubisoft products which... okay lmao

>>714859979
Only games I can think of are AR games like Pokemon GO.
I imagine the newer Microsoft flight sim games that stream map data from the cloud would also be a colossal pain

>>714860023
How about he just ban practices that have no benefit for the customer instead of letting corporations dictate unreasonable terms because it will make them more money and put the entire weight on the individual.
This is a "and yet you live in a society" tier argument, you can want change without becoming a hermit living in the woods

How long before a survival-horror game where your character must fend off hordes of lawyers and leg-breakers sent by vidya publishers to destroy your Products because they decided to end the license?

>>714860176
you dont have to buy any luxury good you dont want to so you are incorrect

>>714860354
counter argue or fuck off retard

>>714860502
There's nothing to argue against. You're just shitposting for the sake of it.

>>714860240
So everyone should always have to spend a whole week researching every nook and cranny of every ToS of every product they intend to buy because there could be hidden somewhere that they can fuck you over?
How about we make so that companies don't even try to fuck us over, how about that?
They have all the money to comply with a minuscule change of plan.
I don't have all the time to always read whatever 30+ pages of ToS they shit out.

>>714860410
how about you just dont buy the product you tard? this is not at all a "we should improve society somewhat" thing, im telling you, right now, you already have the ability to compel a company to not do this and its called voting with your wallet

>>714860590
i put up an argument and you arent responding. any further "haha 2/10 bait bro" responses just wont be entertained, ur boring lol

>>714860604
it never worked because there are more retards than informed consumers, this making everything shittier for everyone in the process.
If we actually follow that mantra we'll get shittier and shittier services, as it's already happening.
I never bought a phone that hasn't got a jack audio, and now that I need to change phone I have like 1/5 of the total choices I had 5 years ago.

laws are always fun, except when they're made to actually help people instead of companies

>>714860437
> survival-horror game where your character must fend off hordes of lawyers and leg-breakers sent by vidya publishers to destroy your Products because they decided to end the license?
Back in the day someone would've made a flash game on newgrounds about it by now.

>>714860593
most products are very pretty upfront about this stuff or give a fair warning before the service is shut down, the crew 1 is pretty anomalous, and if they have fouled by deceiving consumers as ross says, by not giving due notice to their shut down, then we already have ways of litigating this

now on the flipside, you have products like nu hitman which have been VERY upfront about their always online nature and with their future plans. no dissecting 30 page terms required for this understanding, yet people are still buying it. You gotta contend with this

>bros... our e-celeb grifter trannys were... wrong?
ACK!

>>714860778
i agree that consumers can be retards but thats why, if there is some base level of transparency which id argue most of these products have, then the onus is now on the more informed consumers to spread the word.

i will always advocate for a base level of transparency combined with consumer awareness

legislation or legally compelling ANYTHING especially for a luxury good, should always be a last resort

>>714860150
I believe that crossed a line into what was seen as gambling for kids

>>714860604
>how about you just dont buy the product you tard?
you fags said the exact same thing about steam refunds
take a hike off a cliff, nigger

>>714860604
Corpos will always use the most exploitative tactics on the morons it works on making it shittier for everyone else who still wants to participate. It's easier to force one bad actor to change than socially engineer entire society to be some lolbert perfectly rational and informed new man.

>>714860382
Pireate softwares cocksleeve sodomite this is a good thing and capitalistic commie omega corpo companies need to die

>>714860804
Man I can see it. This hurts.

>>714861009
Shut the fuck about much luxury good, it changes nothing, product is a product and people should be able to freely participate in the society and not have to swear off common past times to live off gruel under a bridge because everything than bare minimum to survival is "luxury"

>>714861009
I don't get why you're fine with megacorps using government on you but you using government on corpos is last resort only?

>>714860920
Good! So if The Crew is pretty anomalous, you don't have any reason to be this worked up about something that won't result in a major change!

>>714860604
The only reason they can do this is because of laws that permit them to pursue legal action against people attempting to continue their services once they become abandonware.
It is a net good to society for creative work to be theoretically available in perpetuity if there exists someone who wants to preserve, maintain and distribute it, and this good far outweighs the benefit to society that would be gained from allowing individuals to have unilateral control over the destruction of creative work.
>vote with your wallet
This really only functions once and will immediately become invalid if their incentives change, such as is the case when the company is acquired or merged with another.