>Complain about genocide
>Genocide the quillboar
???

It's only genocide if they're not ugly

>>714861845 (OP)
don't worry, seeing how nu-blizzard is treating World of Diversitycraft it's only a matter of time until they turn quillboar into a onions-gargling race of feminists and faggots just like they did the centaur.

>Still milking the Shoah
>Genocide the Palestinians
???

>>714861845 (OP)
True to reality.

>>714861845 (OP)
>We beez oppressed n sheit and put in camps
>made deals with literal demons, destroyed multiple kingdoms unprovoked, exterminated the Draenei, performed Mengele tier magical experiments.

>>714861950
Durotar really is just Orcish Israel

>>714861845 (OP)
>WE WUZ GOOD BOYS
>Makes a literal road out of the bones of the race you almost successfully genocide

>>714862026
>alternative timeline where they DON'T make a deal with demons
>still orcger up an entire planet (except badly) before moving on to Azeroth
what did they mean by this?

Why is Garithos the only named character from the first three games to not appear in WoW?

>>714862204
One of the better ideas Blizzard had, of course they couldn't stick with it, because California.

>>714862426
because he's fucking dead and his corpse got eaten by ghouls, retard

>>714862470
They ALMOST had the balls to make Jaina regret killing her father and realize he was right about the Horde

>>714861845 (OP)
>>714861945

It's all optics. I say that literally, because everything here is opposite.
The Orcs are unironic colonizers in the Warcraft Universe. They only helped the Tauren because Thrall's horde happened to culturally aligned with them; they otherwise expelled the Centaur and almost completely genocided the Quillboar. Durotar and half of the Barrens used to be Quillboar land. This is of course ignoring the fact that most orcs are either apologetic or openly deeply proud of their history of genocide - especially the scouring of Draenor. They're sad 'cause they lost. Even in an alternate timeline where orcs weren't "corrupted by demons" they STILL chose to scour their fucking planet for industrial purposes (granted, it was cool as shit).
The Humans on the other hand ironically did stay in their lands. Arathi Highlands, Arathor, Strom, are some of the oldest sites of human habitation in World of Warcraft and for most of history humanity was a mud-eating, ooga-booga, species of humanoid that lived in perpetual fear of being hunted for sport by trolls or elves. Humanity in WoW explicitly DIDN'T have a history of colonization or supremacy because all the best land had already been taken by those trolls and elves - who were those things.

>>714862671
>Arathi Highlands, Arathor, Strom,
all ancestral mag'har lands
shoo shoo colonizer dis our lands now

>>714862801
Throw-ka, Alterac Valley was promised to them 3000 years ago

>>714862801
It's not really colonizing if the people living there just left and said you can take the land.

Oy Vey-gar, we were kicked out of 109 countries unjustly human

>>714861950
>palestinians are equal to agressive primitive beastmen
Okay, maybe orcs did literally nothing wrong there...

>>714862470
Every time they get close to doing something thematically rich or morally complex, they backpedal faster than a gnome rogue after ninjaing a roll. They hinted at the orcs being capable of screwing themselves without demon influence, which is actually *interesting*-but no, can't have any nuance. Gotta keep pushing that "we're all misunderstood victims" angle or the writers' room might have to think harder than Twitter character limits.

>>714862204
orcs never should've become noble savages, they were based off of orks and it shows, make 'em mean and green and there you go

>>714863707
>>714862204
>>714862470

Warcraft orcs are weird in that their lore has a lot of moments of believable mundane evil that make them charming in a kind of, "disgruntled developing culture" kind of way. They're fuck ups - they're that political cartoon depicting Russia as a bear getting pushed off of a ball, trying to get back on, successfully balancing on top, and then immediately trying to kill everyone before falling off of it again.

-The orcs say they got "swindled" by demonic forces, but we were there; the orcs LOVED the power the burning legion bestowed upon them, they LOVED wielding it and slaughtering the draenei and the ogres with it, and it was a major defining turning point for their culture that many of them long to return to and some continue to desperately cling onto.

-The orcs are charmingly desperate for a "good cultural example" to rebuild their society and to author a new founding myth around. They don't actually want to stop being a warrior culture that pillages, rapes, murders, etc.. They want to keep those things, but find a culture that simultaneously has those qualities, but isn't falling apart, and I think they found it in the tauren. That's why they cling to them so tightly, even Garrosh loved them. The orcs need the tauren to justify their backward fucking society.

-Even Garrosh' rise to popularity is amusing and true to form since he was a very believable, "extremely charismatic leader taps into the nostalgia of the disenfranchised population and propels himself into popularity by causing a cultural revolution and actually spending money on infrastructure and industrialization."

>>714862623
There are plenty of characters who died in W3 who had at least one appearance in WoW, faggot.

>>714865343
name one who was dead and had his corpse disposed of, retard

>>714862646
>orcs settle in an uninhabitable shit hole where no one but centaurs bothers them
>have a truce with jaina
>Admiral Farquaad decides to move in to """rescue""" his daughter (absolutely nothing was stopping her from returning to kul tiras after the legion invasion, she just didn't want to)
>chimps out and starts a war with orcs because...because they're just evil ok???
>ruins the truce his daughter had to fight a demon lord for
>jobs to a literal mutt
nah

>>714865381

>>714863335
quillboars are natives in kalimdor just like centaurs

>>714865551
>soul was preserved inside frostmourne
not an argument

>>714865798
You're wrong, troonfag, just admit it.

>>714865459
>>chimps out and starts a war with orcs because...because they're just evil ok???
They invaded Azeroth and killed tens of thousands of humans, including Kul Tirans. He had every right to view them as warmongering savages and was proven to be correct in eradicating them as even the “good ones” did next to nothing to stop Garrosh from bombing Theramore.

>>714865842
>ran out of characters already
i accept your concession, garitroon

>wake up in Azeroth
>run directly to Orgrimmar
>challenge Kiro to Mak'gora
>stomp his healsissy ass into the ground
>get cute fox wives
Realistically, what's preventing anyone from doing this?

>>714865381
Illidan was killed by Arthas in an anime battle
but not for wow-trannie devs apparently

>>714865996
>no you don't understand he DEFINITELY died even though he had an entire army backing him! yeah he was still on the floor breathing even though he got cut by a soul-sucking sword but he definitely DIED
R E T A R D

>>714865879
>He had every right to view them as warmongering savages and was proven to be correct in eradicating them as even the “good ones” did next to nothing to stop Garrosh from bombing Theramore.
Sorry retard but you can't use wow lore to justify your opinion on warcraft 3 lore

Why does WoW still have enemies? Don't they realize that it's anti-inclusive to have free targets in their games that only exist to be attacked?
Also games would be so much better if they didn't focus on toxic masculine things like fighting all the time
All NPC races should be playable and gay and mix in with the horde and alliance who should finally figure out how to share a world in harmony

>>714865381
Uther is a key character in Sneedolands

>>714866097
It was clear he was mortally wounded
And even if he wasn't, it was highly unlikely Arthas would had let him go, considering he was killing everyone without any mercy for years and packing them into Frostmourne
seethe retard

>>714864619
>The orcs say they got "swindled" by demonic forces, but we were there; the orcs LOVED the power the burning legion bestowed upon them, they LOVED wielding it and slaughtering the draenei and the ogres with it, and it was a major defining turning point for their culture that many of them long to return to and some continue to desperately cling onto.

Doesn’t Grom literally confirm this to be true to Thrall all the way back in Warcraft 3? The fact the “orc death camp” victim narrative was ever a thing is crazy to me.

>>714866228
>seethe retard
i'm not the one struggling against literal reality lmao

>>714864619
you are a FAGGOT

>>714866374
>no argument
there you go, troon

>>714866210
>Sneedolands
nobody cares about that catastrophe

>>714866453
your argument is literally "LALALA NO HE DID DIE HE JUST DID OK"
my argument is that he was still breathing at the end of the cutscene. you have no argument except "it came to me in my fanfic"
delusional retard

>yo thrall there's a bunch of fucking undead across the sea who want to join our faction
>yeah I can't really tell the difference between them and the dudes controlled by the apocalyptic threat either
>hold on apparently they're like 99% dead humans, our other moral enemy
>oh they're a-okay? Alright lads let em in.

>>714866228
he was in a hurry to save the lich king, no time to suck souls
i await your "i kneel" post

>>714861845 (OP)
Orcs entire story line can be condensed down to:
>WE DINDU NUFFIN WE DA TROO HORDE

>>714866530
lol you capslock mad
My argument was that Arthas would not let him go, he was killing everyone without mercy.
You can't argue with this.

>>714866261
>We are free from demonic influence n sheeit we are a proud people
>relapses almost immediately on getting a whiff of demon crack, is told “this shit is bad for you” and does it anyway
>noooooo Thrall I’m sorry I don’t know what came over me :(
Grom is a bitch. His death is the only redeeming thing about him.

>>714866556
more like
>hey we're ourselves again can we please join the alliance?
>fuck you abomination
>o-oh ok...

>>714861845 (OP)
>>Complain about genocide
Genocide via starvation in camps = bad
Genocide via honorable combat = good
>pic related

>>714866595
>in a hurry
lol
he had time to fight, but "somehow' not enough time to finish him off
you sound desperate

>>714866675
>killing everyone without mercy
and yet he let sylvanas, who was known to be a traitorous bitch, take over his capital and round up all the freed undead no problem
curious!

garrosh should have killed the shit out of magatha. that would have been a good scene.

>>714866556
>tauren of all races supposedly vouched for them, which is why there's that dedicated forsaken cave in Thunder Bluff
puked in my mouth
Sylvanas' Forsaken + Kael's Blood Elves + Vashj's Naga + Akama's Broken should've been a third faction of misfits that were brought together by tenuous, circumstantial links where none of them genuinely trust each other, but still honor respective old ties while pursuing their individual hidden agendas

>illidan got his retinas burned up by sargeras
>some malnourished pale faggot with a toothpick killed him no problem though
arthas fanboys really are something else

>>714861845 (OP)
buy an ad maye

>>714866556
>Scourge is widely known to be perfidious and has agents and spies in other factions
Yeah this small splinter group of Undead totally isnt a ruse, they have 100% free will and can be trusted fully. Send the zeppelins!

>>714861845 (OP)
If they're stupid enough of a sentient creature, nobody cares.

Nobody really calls Australians genocidal slavers even though they nearly wiped out the aboriginal people. They're basically living early homo-sapiens locked in time 50000 years ago with about the same intellect too.

>>714866705
There's no hints in WoW that I'm aware of that any dialogue between the alliance and the forsaken was opened. They just somehow magically telephoned the tauren at some point between WC3 and WoW and were signed the fuck up. Despite all the fighting against the undead, and the Taurens own undead pig problem.

>>714866779
he kllled Sylvanas ez
he just raised her again to serve the Lich King
play the game next time, your fanfic books doesn't count

>>714866929
what the fuck are you talking about retard, sylvanas almost killed arthas in TFT if it wasn't for kel'thuzad

>tauren are besties with orcs and forsaken, the two factions that fuck them up the most
Someone please save my retarded cows

>>714866929
>play the game next time
you first troon

>>714867013
shut the fuck up retard you tree hugging cows would have been genocided by centaurs if it wasn't for the orcs
holy shit this thread is full of lorelets who didn't play a single game

>>714866779
because every additional second sylvanas was alive was another second of her suffering beyond imagining
unironically letting her live to continue being evil to everyone around her as well as being perpetually assmad was the best punishment anyone could contrive for her, killing her would never score as high

>>714867004
oh yeah, the she ambushed him or some shit?
yass queen
I've lost your point, imbecile

>>714862426
Aiden Perenolde doesn't appear as well.
>>714862623
That didn't stop Uther, or Thoras, or Gul'dan.

>>714867174
>remember the 6 gorillian centaurs goyim
No

>>714861845 (OP)
The Quilboar were hostile mobs though.

>>714867250
>y-you see letting her live was part of the lich king's master plan all along
>yes she did manage to contribute to contribute to the argent crusade taking down the lich king but it's ok
>but it's ok, the total suffering in the sylvanas increased!
blizzard writing tier damage control

>>714867083
daym, so Sylvanas is stronger than Arthas, but Arthas had defeated Illidan
that makes Illidan even weaker
lil boy bitch kek
no wonder he died in TFT end cutscene

>>714867264
>can't keep up with a simple conversation
>other people are the imbeciles

>>714867447
using underhanded tactics like paralysis doesn't make you stronger it makes you a coward
end yourself waifufag

>>714867386
>lich king's master
Who gives a damn about that old bag of farts Arthas said
>let this elf bitch be assmad
and so it was
also no, blizzard tier writing would be saying it was genuinely all according to keikaku because next scale creep schemer in another dimension was actually manipulating the jailor/legion/sargeras/nathrezim/light/darkness/dreams/etc. the whole time and Sylvanas was the lynchpin of that plan

>>714865941
>not adding him to your harem
lol fag

blizzard's writing has always been shit

>>714867451
you derailed the conversation into your queen fantasy
I just stated that Illidan was killed by Arthas

did your hormone pills mess with your brain?

>>714865941
what if he says no

>>714861845 (OP)
Just imagine the developer that works on Modern World of Warcraft in 2025, how its just a stepping stone of a studio, how they cling to their globohomo woke beliefs as a religious faith to see them through the day.
Its a speedrun to make everything as lame and dull as possible due to not wanting to be insensitive to any group.
Painful.

>>714867451
Well yeah he already knows he fucked up and lost at this point, but his ego compels him to double down and try to save face. Always very amusing to watch people squirm once they've fucked up like this.

>>714867709
if only you paid half as much attention to the story as you let troons live in your head rent free

stop using transgender folks as an insult
this violates blizzard's social contract you now

>>714868049
the only good thing that trannies did for this game is jew blizzard out of sex change service money

>>714868115
>implying players aren't paying for the devs' HRT

>>714862204
>every single game makes it clear that Admiral Proudmoore was absolutely correct about orcs, and that his only sin was starting his purge during the reign of the one leader capable of briefly ‘tard wrangling them
Wow writers are on a whole other level of incompetent.

dead tranny game generals belong in
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/

>>714867737
lol, samefag nigger
the entire forest was cut down just to build all these goalposts you are moving away from our initial topic
but it's okay, whatever makes you happy

>>714866705
Forsaken are written so weird mane... In vanilla they outright had the lore that the more they are forsaken, they less they care about anything in their former life. Then they alright do the same shit the scourge did with them by creating their own plague.

Also, their intro.

>>714868796
conjoin them into Horde was a lore disaster

it just doesn't sit well
even the devs didn't understand it and kept referring to undead player race as Scourge, so Metzen had to constantly remind everyone its Forsaken

My life, for the war!

Arthas killed Illidan at the end of TFT.
The forsaken do not exist as a faction, they were all corralled back into the Lich King's control at the end of TFT when the Lich King regained his powers.
Stormwind does not exist as a nation, still in rubble after the end of WC2.
Night elves did not join the alliance and told everyone else to fuck off their sacred forests after the battle of Hyjal. Night Elf Druids are only males and Night Elf priests are only females.
The travesty that is WoW is not canon and this statement only becomes more true the further down you go down its expansions.
Questions? Too bad, I won't be taking them.

>>714869142
>open undercity map
>look inside
>scourge emblem

>>714869760
They didn't have time to make assets ok

>>714869474

Only cucks would defend warcraft orcs.

I always thought Faggidan died at the end of frozen throne. Finding out he lived when playing wow was a kick in the dick.
And then Muradin was alive too. To quote Based-thas, doesn’t anyone stay dead anymore?

>>714869474
Based. This anon knows what’s up.

>>714869863
poor small mom & pop company couldn't afford the single peanut to get an intern to apply the map filter to the forsaken emblem until Cata

>>714869474
This is true.

>>714861945
>Sons of Lothar were about tolerance
No. The Sons of Lothar were about protecting Azeroth from rampaging orcs

>>714870051
it means the stayed as Scourge pretty late into development
since maps are very late thing usually

>>714862426
He's dead.
His city is now populated by the Horde races. The Alliance since his death have accepted even more non- humans into their ranks. So even if his ghost could re-emerge why would his xenophobic ass even bother to show himself during WoW?

>>714869474
UNBELIEVABLY based post.

>>714861845 (OP)
genocide me bad
genocide my enemies good
mm rape good
it’s as simple as that

>>714867083
>tfw I will never get to experience playing original WCIII ever again because of blizzard's retardation

Still eternally mad, will never give blizzard another dollar (I never bought reforged)

>>714862671
Bantus and Muslims are also colonizers, but that means nothing in the real world. Warcraft follows suit by only criticizing the "white" humans while allowing nons to get away with anything

>>714872349
That's what social justice is all about!

Orcs never complained about genocide, and I never get why people pretend that they did.
They also never pretended they didn't genocide.

>>714861845 (OP)
Oy please cool down with the antisemitism

>keep working orcboi don't make me buckbreak you again!
What the fuck did Blizzard mean by this bros?

my wife for the horde!

>>714861945
mister KILL ALL TROLLS is talking
listen and learn

I'm your suitor!

>>714865343
Daelin Proudmoor

AAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SUCH A BIGOT THE HORDE WOULD NEVER NUKE THERAMORE OR BURN TELDRASSIL

>>714873302
>immediately becomes pro horde again after thrall re appears, ignoring that her city got nuked
and metzen says she has no feelings for him kek

>>714869760
>>714869863
metzen had to repeatedly tell the dev team who didnt play wc3 that the undead are not scourge aligned
devs really really wanted undeads to be the evil faction

>>714861845 (OP)
>complain about genocide
>arrived on Azeroth to genocide everything on it

>>714873770
why do you repeat what he already said, bot

>>714865879
Why DID Garrosh bomb Theramore? I stopped playing before that.

>>714874929
That King guy was it to send troops to the Southern Barrens

>Murderous alien brutes invade planet and try to murder everyone and everything
>Get curtailed and eventually put in camps (better than they deserve)
>Blonde refugees welcome bimbo has the hots for "le violent savage" and helps him and his buddies murder his own father for being a bigot so she can get some dick
>What follows is just "we dindu nuffin we wuz honorable warriors n sheit"
when you really think about it, warcraft's story has always been pozzed

>>714874929
It was a legitimate military target.