Thread 714865010

The 2020s have yet to have a single genre and industry defining game that shaped design trends in vidya.
90s
>Doom
>Street Fighter II
>Super Mario 64
2000s
>Halo
>GTA III
>Call of Duty
2010s
>Dark Souls
>Minecraft
>Fortnite
2020s
>???
We are half way through this decade and the 2020s doesn't have a single historically defining game.

>>714865010 (OP)
Genshin Impact.

cs2

>dark souls
>minecraft
>fortnite
I grew up in the worst period of gaming didnt I

>>714865045
Can vouch for this, first big buck gacha that upgraded gameplay from collecting PNGs to something actually game-shaped. It's not good, but it's something.

Mandatory ray tracing is like going from pong to doom in terms of gameplay.

Balatro

>>714865010 (OP)
Fortnite is pretty much 20s tier
vampire survivor slop
Gacha slop
survival craft slop
layoff slop

Friendslop

>>714865467
balatro is such a simple game that there are downports of it to fucking commodore 64
you can't run minecraft on commo
you can't run gta3 on commo
you can't run doom on commo

>>714865892
that doesnt mean it cant be influential you graphics obsessed zoomer

>>714865204
imagine being such a self hating zoomer.
Becoming phoneniggas was your sin and being subject to wokeshit your punishment

>>714865204
yes you obviously did

>>714866007
it's not about graphics, it's about gameplay
commo can't run doom, it's fundamentally too complex for it
n64 can't run gta3, it's too big of a game for it
ps2 can't run fortnite, the online infrastructure of the 00s wasn't there yet
everything we have now can run on ps4 with minimal loss of graphical fidelity, and most things can run even on ps3 with no loss of gameplay features

>>714865010 (OP)
>2000s
>Halo
>GTA III
>Call of Duty
You forgot the biggest inspiration to gaming that has persisted to this day. No modern AAA game exists that hasn't been inspired by it. Even the newest Doom(DOOM OF ALL THINGS) is inspired by it.

Elden Ring is sadly it so far and its far from a defining game or even a game changer.

>>714865010 (OP)
Sekiro was good but filled the derivative ass soulsclone action games with deflects, everyone and their mom likes generic ass parry mechanics now
Nu-doom had a lot of influence on new shooters and Ultrakill is about to become more popular/impactful than it
>>714866568
Balatro wont be huge like what OP describes but it will probably influence more games about traditional cards, until now theres practically zero actually fleshed out great card games like balatro

>>714865204
bro what the fuck are you talking about
you got the pure refined shit. thirty plus years of seasoning.
I would've killed for a game like Fortnite when i was 10.

and as a bonus, all the games I grew up with (that matter) are right there. go play them.

>>714865892
>you can't run doom on commo

>>714865010 (OP)
Lethal Company kinda counts, it's started that whole friendslop trend.

>>714868019
Party games have been around long before Lethal Company, little zoom.

>>714867745
i think balatros influence will come more from promoting simpler, more "webgame"-y gameplay and aesthetics

>>714868019
>friendslop
Take your meds and get help, seriously. This site is brain rotting you faster than tiktok does to zoomers

>>714868428
It's slang not a cock, you don't have to take it so hard.

>>714868510
Friendslop is not a thing, "slop" alone is a shit forced meme and lets everyone know not to take your argument seriously

>>714865010 (OP)
>>Halo
>>GTA III
>>Call of Duty
Dumb fucking retard. Shooters, especially military shooters would exist regardless of Call of Duty and Halo. These were just popular big games, they didnt do shit for the industry, retard dumbfuck.

Also GTA3 is a taxi simulator, you havent actually played it, nothing about its "open world" design influenced anything in the 2000s or beyond but Jak and Shittster.

Uncharted probably unironically did more to define a generation of sony games than anything you listed. Retard.

>>Dark Souls
>>Minecraft
>>Fortnite

Same for everything here except Dark Souls. Unless monetization efforts are now "genre defining le industry defining".

>>714868632
nta but youre just being a whiny sperg
its a good term because literally fucking everybody knows what kind of game youre talking about when you say "friendslop"

I think Balatro, while unique, is ultimately a result of the influence and success of Slay the Spire and not genre defining itself.
For the 2020s, I would say It Takes Two and possibly Hades. They both are very influential and considered genre defining.

I was going to say Slay the Spire but that came out in 2019

>>714869017
>Also GTA3 is a taxi simulator

>>714869304
I think we'll see a lot of indie games use the "joker" system. We've already seen it with Nubby.

Lethal Company

>>714869037
By your vague and jaded definition, literally all multiplayer games are "friendslop"

In the indie scene, Super Auto Pets. The creator of Nubby's Number Factory cited it as an influence in an interview, and it was clearly an inspiration for backpack battles and the Bazaar

If Donkey Kong Bananza is successful I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot more games come out with destructible terrain. Then again many other games like Minecraft had that feature before

>>714869017
Halo's influence is popularising stickfag shooters and poisoning gaming for the next quarter of a fucking century (and going!)

>>714870514
>nintendo invented destructible terrain
look, i know red faction never came out for your baby tablets, but can you turd world sheep stop embarrassing yourselves like this?

>>714868019
You have not been playing games long if you think party games are anything new.

>>714870639
I literally said in my post that they didn't invent it. You just see anything Nintendo and start seething to the point that you can't finish reading a post.

>>714870639
He might not be wrong. Red Faction had it but what else? If DK does well, we might see a lot more pop up.

>>714867350
SOOOOONIC HEROOOOOOOES

>>714869914
no they fucking arent
literally nobody thinks "friendslop" refers to something like terraria, l4d2, deep rock, it takes two, etc
everyone knows it means stuff like webfishing

>>714868134
>>714870823
Lethal Company is by far the most popular party game since Mario party's inception

>>714870525
Gyro is fucking horrendous and nobody besides the sweatiest of compfags also incapable of using a PC are going to touch it.

>>714872793
And in your mind, how is that relevant to what we said or the topic at hand?

I want to know what possessed you to make such a comment.

>>714865010 (OP)
>The 2020s have yet to have a single genre and industry defining game that shaped design trends in vidya
He's right by the way. The closest things in my mind are parrying and roguelites, but Sekiro and Hades were released in the last decade

>>714869017
>uncharted
You fucking snoy, even gears of war defined more with cover shooting.
If you want a sony game say last of us with its basic ass movie game narrative that tries to be grown up while just retelling stories from other movies

>>714865010 (OP)
It’s gacha unfortunately
Mihoyo steamrolled the industry and now every single game is trying to copy their success
You also have live service as a concept that really took off after Fortnite’s success, so a lot of failed projects one after the other
This decade and generation are very much defined by trend chasing possibly more than anything prior
There’s literally no soul, everything even new IPs are just attempts to cash in on pre established trends and markets
We do have the occasional new IPs that pops up in a positive way like Astro Bot, but even that is just a massive homage to Sony’s legacy and a reminder that we aren’t really getting innovation

>>714873491
Gacha as a concept in video games is firmly placed in the 2010s. An argument could easily be made for it to be from the 2000s considering lootbox mechanics.

>>714872902
>being this retarded

>>714873885
That's pretty much what I figured you'd post when you realized how stupid your comment was. Gotta double down.
Okay then, peace out.

>>714865010 (OP)
vampire survivors
friendslop
gambleslop
etc

its there, (You) just don't like it

>>714874101
Bullet Heaven is a decent topic of conversation.
"Friendslop" has already been removed.
Not sure what "gambleslop" is even referring to.

>>714865010 (OP)
>>Halo
>>Call of Duty
We require a genocide of Xbox babies.

>>714865467
Slay the Spire came out in 2019.

Left 4 Dead created the entire "4 guys" genre
L4D, Vermintide, Deep Rock, and the job simulators followed after Deep Rock

>>714874314
Are you really suggesting that Halo and CoD weren't genre defining games just because the first thing you associate them with is a brand?

>>714865010 (OP)
Bg3, seethe and cope all you want. I don’t like it that much, but it is the only game in the 2020s that truly feels next gen and genre defining. Also graphically its the only game on the pa5 i know couldn’t run on a ps4, the city with all of its loaded in npcs would have crashed that console instantly

>>714874479
>Left 4 Dead created the entire "4 guys" genre
lol


>>714874551
BG3 did literally nothing to define the genre. It is just an excellent example of the genre.

>>714865010 (OP)
Have we reached a peak for what new and innovative discoveries can be done with video games?

>>714869607
To be fair Driver and Crazy Taxi did beat GTA3 to the punch.

>>714867350
WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN YET MY FEET DON’T TOUCH THE GROUND

>>714874646
>lol
it's right though. L4D was absolutely huge and created the whole market for 4-player co-op, and set the standard for it as a wave shooter. People started to throw in gimmicks like resource collection and then the resource collection slowly took over.
>L4D: collect gasoline, fight waves of zombies
>Deep Rock: collect minerals, fight bugs
>Vermintide: collect tomes, fight waves of rats
>Lethal Company: collect garbage, fight waves of aliens
>REPO: collect vases, fight fantasy monsters

>>714874646
Theirs not a single other crpg on this planet that allows so much freedom in the arenas and elevation. I thorn whipped a guy off a bannister to bring him down a floor so he will be in my cloud kill i was casting on my next party member and that was literally the most impressive thing i saw in crpgs since bg2 dragon fights, every crpg in between is pretty much bg2 with bells and whistles attached. All future crpgs will be compared to bg3 which is about genre defining as it gets

>>714871582
Ok so it's "friendslop" when it's popular and you don't like it but it's just a normal game when it's popular and you like it. Your argument sucks because you don't define any aspect in your made up buzzword genre. Does proximity chat trigger you that much? Its not a novel concept. Half the other things you don't like as aspects in Lethal Company or something like phasmophobia are found in other game, and they still receive updates, so they aren't pump and dump cash cow scheme. Its not like they're giga expensive either, you can get a lot of hours out of them for cheap. "Slop" implies it's shovelware garbage with no support or effort made to improve the games. Just admit you're autistic and obsessed with buzzwords.

>>714870514
Fuck Shitcraft

>>714865010 (OP)
Slay the Spire
Vampire Survivors

99% of indie games now are just a mix of those 2 with constant 777 gambling machine popup on the screen every single levelup that you get every 20 seconds.
No depth, no soul, but hey we can tickle your gambling addicted ratbrain like you are strapped to the seat in a testing chamber.
*spits on the ground*

>>714874884
I remember playing l4d and than suddenly it was mandatory every game had a 4 player survival mode like cod zombies and gears 2 horde

>>714873150
Hades is also not the first popular roguelite.

>>714874517
I am saying they didn't innovate jackshit and so they didn't redefine the FPS genre. It's like saying that Transformers and Marvel movies changed cinema simply because they were popular.

>>714874551
Baldur's Gate 3 is literally just following the BioWare formula that was defined in the late 90s.

hyenas
concord
marathon

is vampire survivors the most recent a genre was invented?

>>714865010 (OP)
b-b-b-but muh elden shart

>>714874990
Slay the spire doesn't really count because it's still a deckbuilder game with some more RNG because of relics. Not that it doesn't do it well, it does, but it's not a hugely novel concept

>>714875324
Ah yes, "flopslop".

>>714874884
>L4D was absolutely huge and created the whole market for 4-player co-op

I originally wrote a paragraph about how 4 and 6 player multiplayer games were all over the arcade and even home consoles had lots of 4 player games.

I was trying to think of objective based co-op games that fit in your concise description of "do thing, fight thing" and I can't think of any.

I guess it is fair to say that L4D really did kick off that type of game.

>>714875382
What are Slay the Spire predecessors?
(honest question)

>>714868012
I think you can run Wolfenstein 3d on SuperCPU but I'm not sure about Doom. I don't think Doom even ran on the Amiga until recently.

>>714867350
I don't know what you mean but I'm gonna agree anyway since I really liked this game

>>714865010 (OP)
Was going to say Dark and Darker but I don't really think it's much different than Escape from Tarkov because it's still part of the "extraction shooter" genre even though its swords and armor instead, maybe Extraction looter makes more sense. Tarkov came out in the like 2010s yeah?

>>714875460
There were many split screen games before Left 4 Dead but the emphasis was always on versus modes rather than co-op. Even with Halo the thing people cared about were the deathmatch and vs modes.

>>714875642
Tarkov is technically still in early access.

>>714874551
>Bg3, seethe and cope all you want. I don’t like it that much, but it is the only game in the 2020s that truly feels next gen
This is 100 percent accurate, by the way. But the fact of the matter is that such games are too hard to make, and "modern" devs don't have the talent to make them.

For the retards who are too dumb to understand this, the real innovation of BG3 is the fact that all the dialogue is voiced and produced like a cutscene, on top of the classic CRPG genre that actually values player choice. BG3 scares modern devs because they know that this accomplishment is a monumental feat. The amount of work required to actually make a game like this a reality is basically infinite.

>>714865467
Nobody is making Balatro likes

>>714865010 (OP)
I wanna say Hades / Genshin / Lethal Company
the reasoning being Hades made roguelikes even more mainstream and bigger, genshin made gacha way bigger than it used to be and right now there are dozen of them that make huge money and lethal company because it made the friends/party games big again even more so with this extract gameplay

>>714875246
They're not arthouse films but you're joking yourself if you're saying that Marvel wasn't influential. Every summer blockbuster of the 2010s was trying to do quips and extended universes tying to chase the bag that Marvel had.

>>714865010 (OP)
>The 2020s have yet to have a single genre and industry defining game that shaped design trends in vidya.
Concord

>>714865010 (OP)
Climbing games
>Peaks of Yore
>Peak
>White Knuckle
>Cairn (Upcoming)

>>714875545
Really any deckbuilder game fits the bill, just with less RNG. Hearthstone for sure, any popular physical TCGs like MTG or Yugioh. Netrunner and FTL as well (if you can make the bridge between treating ship parts as 'cards')

>>714875629
>AAA devs claim RE4 inspired them and they copied it
>Except oddly melee attacks have Sonic's Homing Attack
>Characters never shut the hell up even late in the game and constantly tell you what to do(which has only gotten worse)
>hand holding is even worse with needing to guide the player everywhere thanks to yellow paint(trails of rings at least had a purpose) despite these games all being mostly linear so you're having your hand held while navigating a straight line.
>Automation and over reliance of on-rails segments where you can't fall unless you genuinely try to
If only the AAA industry took the good or cool parts of Heroes as inspiration. Music, level themes, level design, but no, they copied all the shit they themselves complained about.

>>714865010 (OP)
>Fortnite instead of PUBG
You know fortnite was a shitty tower defense game until they ripped off pubg entire design? Otherwise it would have crashed and burned to the ground

>>714865545
>Gacha slop
Belongs to the 2010s thanks to Puzzle and Dragons

>>714876241
I get what you mean but I would argue that those are more party games than a genre. It's not super popular but Towerclimb is excellent and did it in 2015, and even before that there was lots of custom maps for Counterstrike source and HL2 Deathmatch that were literally called climb maps that were a combination of physics and jump puzzles

concord

>>714876506
>those are more party games than a genre
You've only ever heard of Peak from my list haven't you?
It's the only one with a multilayer component

>no OoT
>no BotW
>discount pubg
u fucked up

Whatever is responsible for the masses of uninspired roguelikes we're getting.

Also,
>no BotW for the 2010s
Granted, the games that copied it came out in the 2020s so it's a delayed effect

>>714874923
> and you don't like it
no, thats not a factor you retarded ass faggot. I was playing webfishing before anyone ITT even knew about it
> Your argument sucks because you don't define any aspect in your made up buzzword genre.
no youre just too fucking retarded to grasp it
>. Does proximity chat trigger you that much?
That has nothing to do with it and i was literally playing it in VR yesterday
> Half the other things you don't like as aspects in Lethal Company or something
Literally nobody said its inherently a genre they dont like
> "Slop" implies it's shovelware garbage with no support or effort made to improve the games.
Or maybe youre just being retarded and unable to read terms with nuance and context

Its fucking obvious. If youre playing some elaborate coop game with clear win conditions, progression, elaborate gameplay mechanics etc then youre playing a coop game. If i want to tell my friend about some silly cheaper looser sillier game with less concrete qualities, almost nothing that holds up without friends, and mostly just to farm reactions and interactions from people youre playing with, you call it friendslop
But go ahead and find someone saying Deep Rock Galactic is friendslop

>>714874551
>it is the only game in the 2020s that truly feels next gen
nigga please

>>714876730
Party games don't have to have a multiplayer aspect IMO, just something you can jump into with not a lot of depth for short periods of entertainment where you can get mileage out of other people just watching as well. But my other point still stands about

>>714875940
>the real innovation of BG3 is the fact that all the dialogue is voiced and produced like a cutscene
Mass Effect?

>>714865010 (OP)
That's because companies only wants live service now, recurring revenue beats everything else. Fortnite is the future. Think about how crazy it is that Sony of all companies who basically only made these big SP games in general went all in on live service games. It's what they all want

>>714876042
Nubby's Number Factory
Luck be a Landlord or some retarded fag shit

>>714876132
>Every summer blockbuster of the 2010s was trying to do quips and extended universes tying to chase the bag that Marvel had.
And all those attempts crashed and burned. Marvel was just expanding on serialization in the same way Harry Potter and Star Wars did. But it's not something fundamentally new.

>Decade is half over
You think there's enough time for VR to become appealing to joes? If the Deckard doesn't do it then I don't see another chance for a long time.

>>714876243
Those are mostly multiplayer games tho. Slay the Spire does fit into the roguelite trend, but like I feel that there are roguelike deck builders that predated it.

>>714876921
All this wall of seethe just to ad hominem and admit you throw around a buzzword because you can't enjoy the novelty of certain games without a "you win" screen on them. Sad!

>>714876375
PUBG was the trail blazer but Fortnite stole its thunder.

>>714877458
>VR
we're STILL on the same problems that Luckey wanted to fix; cost and friction. there's too much hassle and shit to play VR games, until you can buy some cheap ass goggles that you can easily put on and play and everything just werks its gonna stay dead.

>>714876732
>BotW
That's just Ubislop.

>>714877671
> just to ad hominem
no, you clearly ignored me saying that none of your preconceptions about the silly definition were remotely accurate and does not apply to me
if you had actually read the post, youd notice literally the core fucking point of my post is that i actually like these games and i was playing them

not everyone saying new silly words is using it exclusively to hate on things you dont like

>>714867350
WE ALL DANCED IN FIRE
TRAPPED IN THIS MACHINE

>>714877918
>"I like them but I call them slop to fit in"
The backpeddling and cognitive dissonance is insane, just stop already holy shit

Battle Royale is an interesting case since it first became popular via mods for Minecraft and ARMA, and the earliest standalone hit was The Culling which is now completely forgotten.

>>714878247
>everything something does is to fit in... everything with this word must be filled with vitriol and jadedness.... it must all be bad... theres no way youre saying this in good faith or confidence...
no, its you that needs to stop being so assblasted over a joke term that became common slang
Turns out this guy >>714868510 was right all along, and with every message he sends he gets even more justified

like what else, do you also start raging when someone says "rollslop" or "parryslop" when discussing the 438th fromsoft-""inspired"" game with braindead i-frame rolls or shallow parry mechanic?

>>714878712
>with every message he sends
with every message you send*

>>714865010 (OP)
>2020
>Hades
>Fall Guys
>Genshin Impact
>Hi-Fi Rush

>>714865010 (OP)
Don't worry, im making it (and i wont tell you what it is, hahahahahaha)

We still gotta wait until Gen Z starts making art. They are barely becoming adults rn

>>714865010 (OP)
2020s
>Fortnite
>Minecraft
>Live service slop
>roguelike/lite

>>714878543
No one played the Minecraft ones, the Arma mod barely got any visibility as well because DayZ was still mogging the arma scene at the time but I'll give respect to the Arma battle royal mod because the the guy basically admitted to wanting to make a better standalone version of it when he thought of PUBG

>>714882327
What genre did these define though? Not calling them bad by any means but they're mostly derivative of other games

>>714865892
Instant goalpost shift lmao

>>714874314
those games defined the last 15+ years of gaming

>>714865010 (OP)
Bolo

Which Console Generation is the most memorable to you regardless of childhood or teenhood or adulthood?

For me it’s a bit of Gen 5 but mostly Gen 6 and 7 were very special to me

>>714876042
You're wrong because I made one that nobody bought

>>714892039
Hades didn't invent the roguelike genre but it is the first roguelike that any of my normie friends have played