I just reached the choice at the end. Fucking hell. This is unironically one of the greatest games ever made.

>>714869817 (OP)
You chose correctly, right?

Yep. /v/ either doesn't get it and got the wrong ending while coping, or tendies flip the fuck out because they can't play it.

Now play it again when you finish. It's worth it.

>>714869817 (OP)
>2 bad endings
WOW SO DEEP GOTY OF THE CENTURY

>>714869817 (OP)
You did what needed to be done, right, anon?

>>714869817 (OP)

It's very good (9/10) but not the greatest. The gameplay suffers sometimes when enemy attacks come out before their animation. The story, while touching and engaging, is hurt by the complete absence of exploring the angle that the denizens of the painting are just as real as the people outside the Canvas and thus their fate should've been taken into consideration when deciding Alicia's/Maelle's fate

>>714869817 (OP)
>Reddit 33

Butter my Baguette.

Never playing nepo parry SLOP

>>714872375
You know a game triggers tendies when they start calling it reddit kek

>>714869817 (OP)
2 more weeks till the Ape cucks it out of Goty.

>>714869817 (OP)
>OP image is just the cover of the game
>nothing of substance is said
>bestest game ever made girlz
Pajeet shill thread.

>>714872720
>Bing Bing Wahoo (monkey edition)

Why are there so many Clair Obscur threads all of a sudden?

>>714873208
What, you need more pedo threads, nintendie?

>>714873208
Frogs are getting anxious about the monke game

>for those how use Reddit after us

almost 30 hours in and nothiing makes sense. No "explanation" or lore whatsoever. I get it, not everything has to be explained, but SOME lil nigguh has to be a historian or something.

Yeah, it's a really fucking good game. As usual, haters in the comments haven't played it or are otherwise genuine shillbots.

i cannot wait for the shitshow on /v/ when e33 wins GOTY. tendies are going to be on completely critical levels of cope.

>>714873361
how are you 30 hours into the game and still haven't figured out what's what? they literally spell it out for you

>>714873208
The threads stopped after Microsoft did the mass layoffs, but restarted after a while so they probably moved to fully-AI shilling.

I really enjoyed it but the ending was too depressing. Not sure I could ever play it again.

>>714873504
There is a real chance Snoy will rig it enough that DS2 will be a contender, although 2 riggings in a row would look suspicious

>>714873361
It's a generic Plato's Cave twist.

>>714873461
>le best game ever circlejerk thread
>complaining about shills
lmao

>>714873649
Kojima's on the VGA panel and very close to Keighley, it'd be too much if DS2 won GOTY. E33 makes more people happy and shows that smaller teams can make great stuff.

>>714873208

The OP is a falseflagging hater who just got off a thirty day ban.

>>714873649
In order to get big rewards studios do 'reward campaigns' to promote their games among critics. For example, Harvey Weinstein was notoriously good at this for movies. When it comes to videogames Sony is the best alongside Annapurna.

>>714873789
Shouldn't active game developers be out of the panel by default?

>>714873649
I hope Nintendo or Sony win it over this shilled game.

Why are the french so melodramatic
I'm guessing their men probably cry during sex too

>>714873797
I can tell. The tendie boogeyman has already been used 6 times in a thread that only has 30 posts

>>714873978
Honestly yes but its similar to the Oscars

>T-TWO CHOICES
>AAAAAAHHHHHHH GOTD GOTD !!

>>714872368
Both of your complaints are skill issues

>>714873604
>Not sure I could ever play it again.
Rewatch the cutscenes on Youtube
Now that you know the contextual framing and understand the reveals, it reframes so many of the interactions
pAlicia's "Those who know not that they are not", and pRenoir "The pain of losing you - she MADE me inherit it"

So many RPGs have the antagonist saying cryptic things just to be cryptic to intrigue you, but in E33 the dialog is natural to the truth of the world.

Realistically speaking, there is no way that Verso's ending can actually happen unless Maelle lets it happen.
Yes, I get it. "Realistically". But even by the game's own sensibilities, she not only is a painter but just absorbed ALL of the Chroma in the world available to her.
Regardless of inexperience, there is no actual means Verso could stand 1vs1 against her and win the fight in the kid's limbo unless it's by her hestitating and letting him do it, which could very well be it, but yeah.

>>714869817 (OP)
I found Maella and now I'm running around in an underwater area. Think I'll drop it, this shit is boring.

>>714876586
Seeing as you can't even keep track of names, it sounds like you don't have the attention span required. May as well.

>>714876924
oh no i pressed the wrong button
your game is still boring though

>>714877065
Name 5 non-boring games

>>714877189
why? so you can attempt a pathetic revenge by calling them shit back?
this is a clair obscure thread and i'm giving my opinion about it
fighting the same enemy every time you take a turn down a corridor, using the same turn based attacks every time is not fun
i tried it because fags kept saying "it's not the usual turn-based slop bro, i hate jrpgs too but this is different!" yet it wasn't

>>714877435
Oh, so you just hate turn BASED in general?
that kind of makes your opinions null, go back to your Lethal company and Marvel rivals slop then

>>714877948
swing and miss faggot

>>714878063
>swing and miss faggot
this is what filtered you from turn BASED

>>714869817 (OP)
Recency bias. Wait a month.

>>714874867
Yeah, the rewatch bonus in this game is great.
The best part is the conversation between Renoir and Verso at the end of Act 1. When Renoir asks him "you would use her" during your first playthrough, you are convinced he's talking about pAlicia. But he's actually asking about Maelle.

>>714877435
Wait, you can't just dislike le hecking based underdog devs that broke off from big evil corporation to make their game! Fellow expeditioners, help me downvote this chud!

>>714878430
Oh my god anon, you are SO random! How do you do it?!?!? This is totally hilarious, I am going to repost it on my twinstatok right nowabouts!

>>714879420
was that the best you could come up with?

>completely insane terminally online jeet that worships Nintendo

>>714869817 (OP)
>one chance at a non-DEI western game
>it's a boring drama reddit bait
God fucking damn it...

>>714879750
How do you know that if you haven't played it?

now do simon Ng+5 x100 hp parry only solo monoco

>>714879852

>>714880026
I kneel. You're not a liar. You just have shit taste, but it's not a sin.

>>714880026
Fake. There's no way anyone can dislike my GOTY. The voices in my head told me so.

>>714880026
>cyberslop
>rocketslop

>>714880362
both more fun than memorizing enemy attack animation so you can press E when they happen

>>714880575
>memorizing enemy attack animation so you can press E when they happen
Damn, you must be pretty bad. No wonder you're not having fun.

>>714880026
>cyberpunk
>rocket league
lol

>>714869817 (OP)
every time I see people praising this game is all about the story. What about the most important part of a game, the gameplay? I haven't seen a single webm of gameplay

>>714880998
As if you don't dodge the first time and parry the second time when you know how they attack.
>>714881794
Because it's 4 niggas in a row.

>>714881794
>I haven't seen a single webm of gameplay
It doesn't lend itself to webms very well, but here's the first boss fight
Almost all attacks can be dodged or parried, as QTEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GByuD9VPa2I

>>714881794
>I haven't seen a single webm of gameplay
That could be because you're too busy shitposting.
The last E33 thread from my browser's history: https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/714766654/
There are two webms there. But I've seen many more myself in other threads. And we've had threads discussing the gameplay too. But I'm sure you "haven't seen a single one" either.

>>714869817 (OP)
Isn't it an "it was all a dream, bro" kind of ending?

>>714882585
>fight starts
>press A twice
>fight ends
Amazing gameplay, truly game of the decade.

>>714883405
Bro you don’t get it bro it’s the best turn based game of all time. Did you know you can PARRY?

>>714883405
This "game" is aimed at people who think FF is the best JRPG series ever made, what did you expect

>>714883405
I made this webm to prove in a discussion that Monoco can be powerful too. If you played the game, you'd know you can't one-shot everything for the most of the game.
So, what's the real game of the decade?

>>714883661
What's the real best turn based game then?

>>714883741
Which is the best JRPG series ever made then?

>>714872368
>the complete absence of exploring the angle that the denizens of the painting are just as real as the people outside the Canvas
Literally the entire game up to the end up act 2 is exactly that, are you retarded?

>>714884103
Please stop feeding the trolls

>>714881794
It has the best turn based combat in gaming. It's basically FFX + Sekiro. It's fucking kino

>>714884118
i love how people who spend the entire game getting to know sciel and lune - their hopes, past, dreams, tragedies, everything - reach the end and go "these aren't real people"

>>714883370
no that happen between act 2 and 3, invalidating everyting you saw and got invested in during act 1 and 2.
Act 3 story is good on its own term, but that is dogshit storytelling and I was more intersed in the story the ywere pretending to tell in act 1 and 2

>>714883370
No?
>>714883405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdfpQXntX2k

>>714884190
They may be trolls, but let's see if those trolls are male or female. Do they have the balls to talk about their favourite games or can they only attack other games while hiding their fragile fee-fees?
We''ll find out soon.

>>714884438
>invalidating everyting you saw
I'm sorry that you can't grasp the implications of the reveal as it pertains to the themes of the story

But further - every single video game character you've ever seen has been not real
So by your logic, you would be stupid to be invested in their stories ever, right?
Because they're not real?

>>714884320
Please post the games you have played.

>>714884397
The canvas reveal is one of the best litmus tests I've seen in a long time. The game goes to very extensive lengths to show us that everyone in the canvas is very much a real person with free will, independent thought, and capacity for genuine emotion indistinguishable from "real" people's, and some drooling retards will see all of that, get told the people are painted, and go "lol they ain't real bro fuck em just delete em bro lol they're like lines of code in a video game bro lol"

>>714873208
the same trannies make the same thread everyday
>just reached le end and I’m heckin shook…le masterpiecearino
It’s so obvious and they don’t even try to hide it, then they just cry about tendies for the rest of the thread

>>714884746
I-it's not the same. You see, a character from a video game is uhhhhhh realer than a character from a painting from a video game.

>>714884992
>star ocean 3 is a literary masterpiece in the age of the npc
grim

>>714872368
The endings aren't about whether or not the painted Lumiere people deserve to exist, it's about whether or not you allow someone going through grief to indulge in an unhealthy coping mechanism in the name of a dead man, or if you force them to quit cold turkey and move on with their lives. The lives of the painted people are as ephemeral as the canvas they live on, and they shouldn't be thrown on the balance when discussing whether or not you should let Maelle commit long-form escapism suicide

>>714884862
Been playing vidya the Atari 2600. Played pretty much ever "10/10" tier game

>>714884680
This kind of retort doesn't work when we all know you'll ignore whatever is brought up if not call it shit, people refuse to engage with your kind because there isn't going to be any conversation to begin with.

>>714884320
why do you talk like a soijak?

>>714885347
Your failure to answer let's me know next to nothing. It's also blatantly obvious you're underage.

>>714885193
And let me guess, "the same trannies" made over 90k reviews on Steam, huh. And they're also those 20k that are playing at this very moment.

>>714885431
1 female then, let's wait for the other 2.

>>714885208
Well, to be fair, video game characters can inspire real world characters
Just look at Sonichu! He even got MARRIED to a real person!

>>714885497
you need serious mental help, tranny

>>714885497
See?

>>714885493

>I don't really like this game.
>OH YEAH, WHAT DO YOU LIKE THEN? TELL ME SO I CAN CALL YOU BAD! YOU HAVE SHIT TASTE YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG! WAIT DON'T LEAVE, YOU MUST TELL ME WHAT GAMES YOU LIKE SO I CAN GO RAID THEIR THREADS! YOU WILL PAY FOR CALLING BASED E33 BAD!!!
Are you redditors ok? I keeps seeing the above happen in every Clair Obscur threads.

>>714884118

No human character explores the anguish coming from the fact that they aren't "real" - not because I claim they aren't, but because of self doubt. They don't question whether or not anything they know is true, the laws of their world, religious beliefs (which are almost entirely absent)... how would you react if everything you knew about the world, yourself turned out to be a lie? I am barely scraping the barrel here but this subject is too big to ignored

>>714885260

See and that's where I disagree massively. The distinction between "real" and "not real" feels very arbitrary and hard to justify. Characters inside the Canvas live completely fulfilling lives (or at least used to before the Fracture), by what measure can someone decide they are worth less than those living outside?

This is a massive factor that is somehow completely overlooked and the dilemma is almost entirely focused on whether escapism is an acceptable choice if one's life is horrible enough. The cost of the painting's destruction seems to be the loss of the last "living" reminder of the family's member, it's never about the hundreds, if not thousands of other beings. Hell, when we apply the same rights to the people inside the canvas, we will automatically do the same for the lives they live and in that case, one could argue that Maelle has the right to live a complete life inside it, rather than on the outside

>>714886028
Nice strawman
I think it's more like
>This game sucks
>Sorry you think so, I enjoyed it, what exactly did you dislike?
>Shut up tranny it sucks
>Ok, well what games do you like?
>I'm not going to tell you! It just sucks!

>>714886028
>I don't really like this game (haven't played althoughbeit, but I heard from other people who haven't played it either that I'm supposed to hate it)
FTFY, my friend.

>>714886410
>>714886423
>making up shit even when the posts saying why they dislike it are right above, and some guy even posted the fucking desktop screenshot to prove he played it.
You fanatics only make me dislike the game harder.

>>714886119
>This is a massive factor that is somehow completely overlooked and the dilemma is almost entirely focused on whether escapism is an acceptable choice if one's life is horrible enough
the entirety of act 1 and act 2 are supposed to ingratiate you towards maelle's grieving of gustav, sciel & lune's struggles to cope with the doomed world around them, and make you appreciate them as people
the revelation that "they aren't real people" is not SUPPOSED to challenge the experiences you've had with them up until that point, but people keep hitting that revelation and completely forgetting or ignoring the first 80% of the game

>>714886028
>knows he has shit taste so he runs away bodied yourself faggot

>>714886674
Maelle's mother's monologue shows that very well
It shows you all of the struggles the party went through, how they depended on each other, lifted each other up, comforted each other in their grief
All to reinforce the fact that it was real, as real as anything in our lives, and that the painted people were real too.

Maybe the haters were expecting the party to sit down at a campfire and spell it out in excruciating detail to "explore" what it means
Like, Lune says "But I'm not real? I feel real! What makes you real? Have you ever seen The Matrix?"
They think a scene like that would make the game better.

I'm glad that the devs trusted their audience to work through it on their own instead of being spoon-fed, "Hey, this is something you should be thinking about!"

>>714886119
>No human character explores the anguish coming from the fact that they aren't "real"
If God came down from on high right now and told you face to face that your life and everything you've ever experienced was a simulation, would that make your life and your memories and emotions any less real to you?

>>714886674

I'm not talking about people as the players, I'm talking about the devs/writers not putting enough pressure on it. I have no issue accepting the characters as just as real as the ones outside the Canvas, which is why I chose to stay inside as a safeguard from the Canvas being destroyed. Ideally its people would've been left to their own fate but I'm not demanding such an ending because I understand the need for drama and characters having flaws and/or selfish desires

>>714887669

I have no idea. Some people wouldn't care, some would be suicidally, manically enraged and would act appropriately. That kind of multi-faceted reflection is almost completely absent from the game, the best you get is a few sentences spoken in the camp and a "lecture" from a White Nevron.

This is not about me, it's about the PEOPLE inside the world and how they would react

>>714884445
I respect the man who can parry Simon's bullshit.

The funny thing is that /v/ used to adore E33 when it first came out, until it became popular and then /v's trademark contrarianism kicked in.

>>714876513
Maelle was already tired from fighting Renoir, she says as much in the mid-fight dialogues. Meanwhile, Verso has more battle experience and was less involved and focused against Renoir (because he agreed with him). It was a fair fight.

>>714888094
>I'm talking about the devs/writers not putting enough pressure on it
So what would have made it better in your eyes?
What could they have added to put more pressure on the concept?
Legit questions, by the way.

>it's about the PEOPLE inside the world and how they would react
At that point, everybody except the party was gommaged, so it's just them we have to talk to
Lune was pissed at the lie, but wanted to know about the outside world (which Maelle promised to paint for her when it was all over)
Sciel wanted her husband back initially, but waffled towards the end
Verso and Maelle are special cases and can't really be addressed before the ending
Same for Monoco and Esquie, who already knew the truth.

>>714889004
Well, Maelle still does Stendahl. Nothing in Verso's arsenal can match that.

>>714888094
I have to say, while it didn't affect my enjoyment from the game and I only noticed the lack near the very end (since I was still expecting something to happen), the last part of the game does feel a bit rushed, including - or perhaps, mainly - what you're talking about.
Maelle gets the paintress powers and brings back the party and then she brings back nameless expeditioners when you go to the final dungeon. In-between, pretty much nothing about the fact that they're in a painting, no bringing back others (putting aside Gustav, I'd expect we'd get to actually get to meet some of the members of previous expeditions), and then not much in the actual endings.
My guess is that they simply didn't have the time to say more about that. Just like they had to leave the Endless Tower obviously unfinished.

>>714886119
I don't know, I feel the game draws a pretty distinct line between the actual Dessendre family, the painters, and everything they've painted. Yes, the people of Lumiere are alive and seem to have genuine thoughts and feelings, but Maelle is strictly realer than they are. She's a god within the canvas, with the power to rewrite their reality to her whims, as we see in her ending. It's not as though she's simply aware that they live in the matrix, she's an active architect of it and interacts with it knowing full well that anything and everything she sees is only there because she wants it to be there. To me, that would make anyone in that scenario "more real" than the things they've made, because there's a direct cosmic hierarchy there that's impossible to ignore.
If you had the powers of a God, and could conjure people out of the ether on a whim, could you look me in the eye and genuinely say that the things you created are worth exactly as much as you are?

>>714888981
>/v/ used to adore E33 when it first came out
The paid shills always come first. Then people try the game and realize it's shit (if they're smart enough).

>>714876513
Realistically Simon is the strongest creature in the entire game so a Painter shouldn't win by default

Holy fucking shit man, this Simon fight is going to make me crazy. The animations in the second phase.....

>>714882585
Monoco kicks ass, during a long fight his damage goes even further than Maellle or Sciel when you get enough turns for his Lampmaster Sword

>>714890525
>Maelle is strictly realer than they are
Only by virtue of being the only one to be able to leave the canvas, and you have to keep in mind the fact that this is a fictional setting with literal magic. Real Renoir speaks directly to Lune, Sciel, and painted Verso and acknowledges them as real people, expresses genuine remorse and regret to Verso for his circumstance, and even agrees with Lune and Sciel before the final battle. Maelle also clearly sees the painted people as real, and Aline probably did too before she went completely insane. The only one who views them as totally artificial and inconsequential is Clea, and she's mostly depicted as cold and uncaring even toward her family, referring to her parents by their given names instead of maman and papa and being cruel and callous to Alicia despite her suffering

>>714890603
>rewriting the history
>"if you like what I don't like, y-y-you're STOOOPID and I'm tellin' mom on you!"
We've been having E33 threads since the very announcement trailer, regularly. Or maybe you're not lying and just started visiting /v/ this summer and that's why you don't know? If so, welcome to /v/, friend.

>>714882581
>Almost all attacks can be dodged or parried, as QTEs
Please tell me people don't think this is revolutionary. SMRPG did this shit.

>>714890854
Yeah the first phase is fine but the second phase is a lot of horse shit, especially since the tells for shit like his light speed attack are very minor
I basically only got through it by putting Second Chance + Clea's Life on the entire party so that I could live long enough to figure out dodge timings by rote memorization, and then hoped I could live long enough for Maelle to put him in the dirt

>>714886028
crying about a game you don't like and then refusing to assert your own tastes because you might get owned by anons on 4chan is woman behaviour

>>714891294
In which all you did was talk about how you'd sex maelle and lune. The game itself turned out to be ass.

>>714891796
I'm a Nintendo fanboy, go sperg in their threads ;)

>>714891845
>The game itself turned out to be ass.
According to people who haven't played it, sure.

>>714892017
Keep saying it if that's how you want to cope.

>>714874220
To be fair, the Algerian doing the deed has a knife to his throat.

>>714892174
Why would I need to cope, when I have proof that I'm right and you fail to provide any that you are right?

Astroturfed game.

Can someone tell me how can I stop this garbage from crashing during the cutscenes? I updated all my drivers but the workaround was to play at lowest graphics settings, despite having a rig that can play it on highest no issue.
Googling it I noticed that many others have this problem but no official fix without making the game look like a ps3 title.

>>714892592
update your garbage rig from 2007

>>714892446
Yes I know most people have a double digit IQ. Your point?

>>714892509
Kys tendie jeet

>>714892687
Can't read?

>>714869817 (OP)
you have to be 12 year old

>>714892807
Can't not lie?

>>714892706
How many digits is the IQ of a person who spends his time complaining about a video game he hasn't played then?

>>714892865
Google it retard I'm not the only one with this fatal crash error. Some fans even tried making a patch themselves since devs don't care, but that didn't work either.

>>714893014
look up the IQ of India

>>714892509
how can one be so devoid of friends that they don't know a single person who has played the game?

>>714893340
I only have 1 friend that played this game and he said it was boring as hell. He liked ff15 better

>>714891736
i try watching AND listening for the enemy attack timing so Simon's 2nd phase attacks are kinda disjointed between the swings themselves and the sound effects that come out
Its far worse than any other enemy

>>714893014
>>714893101

>>714893340
Good question, actually.

>>714892592
Never had this problem.
Give us the PC specs at least, because there are million and one reasons for it happening.

>>714889045
>So what would have made it better in your eyes?
>What could they have added to put more pressure on the concept?

Ask the basic philosophical questions - why does evil, suffering exist? Gestrals seem to live a simple, yet satisfying life on top of being able to reincarnate - why not do the same for humans? What are the implications of Maelle having godlike -to the fullest extent of this word- powers? Are any of them resentful, even temporarily, of her family's meddling?

Lune would probably be interested the "rules" of the world, or rather their source. What was their scientific method of learning/discovery and would it still apply? We know things fall down because of gravity, does the same happen in the Canvas because it's an inherent property of the world? Or something the Painter has to "add" to the world? Even then, Canvas has more than a few gravity defying wonders.

Sciel would probably think about her husband and the love they shared. Was Love something a Painter had to conceive? If yes, how accurate was it? If it's artificial, does that change anything?

Those are very, very basic examples but I'm too tired to provide a more meaningful and thought-provoking examples on such a short notice. I imagine a writer wouldn't have issues expanding on those ideas. More importantly, all of that should tie in with the final decision to destroy the Canvas, instead of basing it all on a handful of people

>>714892592
Did you try switching to borderless? I had two crashes when I started and never happened again after doing that.

God damn... https://youtu.be/8qpZWJGDkls

>>714894076
>instead of basing it all on a handful of people
That handful of people are the only ones left alive, Renoir gommaged literally everyone in the canvas and Maelle was only able to bring three of them back at first

>>714894171
Yeah, the presentation in this game is top tier. A lot of moments like that one.

>>714894171
For me, it's Maelle interrupting Renoir's third phase, because fuck that shit.

>>714894456

Her ending shows that's not the case as the city and its inhabitants seems to be rebuilding, which should pave the way for further expansion

>>714894587
I said "at first," she's able to bring more people back with Verso's guidance but she isn't able to bring everyone back until after the final battle with Renoir gives her access to everyone's chroma

>>714894076
Thanks for the answer, and yeah I didn't expect you to have perfectly polished answers on short notice like that.
No worries, I'm not going to be a prick about "Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad!"

All of what you said are interesting points to explore, but I don't think that the story of Expedition 33 would have benefited from it.
The game's not about the philosophy of the painted world or the implications of the godlike powers of the Painters
It's an exploration of grief and loss, and how a family can be torn apart by different reactions to it.

Exploring the philosophy of the Painters and the internal mechanics of it could make for an interesting sequel or DLC
But adding heavy philosophical debates inside Act 3 seems like it would have just muddied the waters of the story they were trying to tell - the collapse of the Dessendre family

Agree to disagree?

Here's to hoping the sequel is going to be a completely disconnected story from E33.

>>714873504
The only subhumans that ever cared about goty were rebirthfags which literally got rightfully cucked by bing wahoo chadstrobot

>>714896562
I actually hope they're next game has nothing to do with E33 at all. Aside from some gameplay ideas, I mean, like turn-based combat or overworld.
Although, actually, I wonder how their next game would turn out, if they chose an entirely different genre, but still story-focused and still with a good gameplay-to-story ratio.

>>714873504
>tendies are going to be on completely critical levels of cope
because they'll be able to play it on their Switch 2? typical Excrement 33 fangoyism

How do I deal damage with Maelle and Stendahl? Already got mark, powerful, virtuoso, etc. Can't seem to break over 5 million.

>>714896943
They have a shoe-in concept for a sequel that has nothing to do with Verso's canvas, that being the war between the painters and the writers which is barely even touched on

Gustave should have survived.

>>714897102
Every damage multiplying picto stacks, so just pile on as many as you can and give Maelle first strike

>>714896562
>>714896943
I wouldn't blame them if they just dissolved as a studio.
"We made a great game that millions of people loved, and we got paid. Thanks, we're done"
It would be incredibly hard for them to live up to the bar they set for themselves, much less the (unreasonable) bar that gamers will have for their expectations

>>714894171
Ironically what is possibly the high point of the game in terms of actual narrative content happens in the 30 seconds immediately before the start of this rather schlocky albeit exciting end fight.

>>714869817 (OP)
you know the game is above 9/10 when its talked more than 2 months after release in this shithole without ironic shitposting,like we do with Concord

>>714897368
Yeah man, and they should've just been reasonable people at the end and save everyone and also reconnect with the family and everyone should've had cake and a 15 minute epilogue per character where they get all their problems solved and get to live perfect lives and no one should have to make sacrifices and god forbid anyone creates tension or conflict or difficult choices that arise from humans being complex and flawed beings.

>>714897368
>>714898707
Samefag

This game is now underrated desu I don’t think a better story and character study has come out this decade, it’s the book of the year or the movie of the year if you made it into different things. The paintress twist alone would have been insane in the theater like people would lose it there hasn’t been a good movie twist for so many years.


>>714897368
Thats true people need their Charlie Cox fix.

>>714884438
the point is that the people in the canvas are as real as the people outside the canvas,if you believe otherwise may as well say that all people who believe in god are not real,because they were created in this earth by god,the fucking same that happens in e33

>>714898707
Can you be a little more pretentious?

>>714869817 (OP)
Yup, and a bunch of no-name frogs and a dog made it. Fucking wild. Easily GOTY, RPG, and OST.
Can't wait for all of the butthurt this winter when E33 takes over the conversation again and the antis seethe.

>>714898354
>I treat you as if the shadow from the worst day of our lives is going to suffocate you and take you from us too
God bless Andy Serkis

>>714896943
>>714897281
>>714897489
They have easy blueprints for a story DLC focused around Expedition 0 with Verso, Monoco, Simon and 2 other random characters in the team.

>>714898946
Also define real. Lune speaks of how Alicia is going to make a painting withing a painting to show Lune her world outside. Who is to say the world of the Dessendres is in fact real? Especially with their powers and things like December 33rd.

>>714893551
lmao,imagine being this triggered about a fucking post that u do this

>>714897368
Verso knew that Gustave was too powerful to be left alive.

>>714869817 (OP)
Am I a brainlet for wanting a 100% "true" ending where Maelle fixes everything then leaves the painting forever? I feel like once she accepts the god-like powers of being a painter she's given up her right to exist as a normal person in the canvas. Accepting that would still be a bittersweet end as she has a family she's effectively dead to (Mirroring Verso irl) but still allows the citizens of Lumiere to exist

>>714899156
>define real because i have no le argument
from Oxford academy:the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
u lost.

>>714898930
>it’s the book of the year or the movie of the year if you made it into different things.
Please stop this. Medium is a large part of the story. E33's story was written to fit the game it used as a vehicle and adapting it to any other medium would be a downgrade. Same reason why War and Peace is not also the best movie ever made, or Citizen Kane isn't also the best musical.

>The paintress twist alone would have been insane in the theater
The whole reason that worked so fucking well is because of the medium. It's because you spent dozens of hours by that point exploring this world in the shadow of the paintress looking around and gathering clues as you slowly play through the story and spend time with all these different characters. The same twist in minute 90 of a 2 hour movie just wouldn't have the same effect.

>>714899134
What a line. What a performance. That should be clipped and spammed in every thread where morons try to make an argument for Alicia's ending based on Renoir being an asshole.

>>714899334
Alicia isn't "effectively dead" to her family. Renoir still loves her with all her heart and Aline will probably start to patch up her own relationship with Alicia. Clea, though, is... admittedly hard to read.

>>714899615
By "family" I meant her found family in the canvas (Gustave/Lune/Sciel). Guess I should have clarified

>>714899334
Calling you a brainlet would be harsh but I think you're misguided. I think you underestimate how underwhelming and pointless such an ending would be. I think a big part of the reason people leave the game with such a strong impression is precisely because the ending is messy (in the sense it doesn't offer clean solutions). I mean 90% of the discussion of the game for the past months as been about the ending.

>>714899608
It doesn't stop him being one. He's a three dimensional asshole who loves his family and wants to protect them but he also goes about it in a very forceful way.

>>714899760
Fair enough.

But I do think the Canvas needs to be destroyed for the family to fully move on. It holds the last piece of Verso's soul and you've already seen how intoxicating that is for both Aline and Alicia. They can't get themselves out of there. Allowing it to continue existing would be the same as tempting them every day. And Verso's soul is still trapped inside it, wanting it all to end.

>>714900061
I seriously don't understand how anyone over the age of idk 25 or 26 or something could see Renoir as an asshole. His action seem to me completely reasonable and well meaning given his circumstances as the Father of a once wonderful family disintegrating itself and him trying to shoulder the entire weight of trying to fix everything. The man just spent 60+ years in essentially virtual hell trying to save both his wife and then his daughter fucking solo. I will not blame him for being authoritative towards his young daughter about her dancing with the same devil he just rescued her mother from.

>>714900061
Imagine you are married and have a daughter.
You see your wife get addicted to meth and after several years, through a stroke of luck with the help of your daughter, you get her clean
You go to her meth stash and your daughter is already lighting a pipe, demanding you leave the stash alone

Do you think it's justified to forcibly remove your daughter and flush the stash?

>>714895189
>Agree to disagree?

I'm not seeking to convince anyone, I enjoyed the story but it took some effort to omit what I outlined and accept the endings as they are precisely because they keep some things out of the view

>>714900061
Imagine you are married and have a daughter.

You get addicted to crack and, through the love of your wife, you get clean
You see your wife get addicted to meth and after several years, through a stroke of luck with the help of your daughter, you get her clean
You go to her meth stash and your daughter is already lighting a pipe, demanding you leave the stash alone

Do you think it's justified to forcibly remove your daughter and flush the stash?

>>714900572
>>714900857
bro?

>>714900857
>Get addicted to crack
>Still deal in crack and go to war with other drug dealers to keep your crack
>surprised your daughter finds your crack when crack is stappled all over the walls

>>714896562
>>714896562
It's like mysteryslop on tv. Second season always sucks ass. They could make a different game if that is even possible.
The ubi guys left ubisoft specifically to make this game.
The music guy wanted to give it his all in 1 game to get his name out there.
At best we're getting a cashgrab. One game wonder studio imo

>>714869817 (OP)
Yeah it's up there.

>>714870693
Facing reality is not a bad ending anon
>>714884992
They are real. They just don't matter.

>>714901057
>surprised your daughter finds your crack when crack is stappled all over the walls
Yeah, ok, point taken
Maybe Oxy would have been a better analogy here - something with a legitimate use, under controlled conditions, but is easily abused

>>714901183
I will give them the benefit of the doubt based on the talent showcased in this game that they are more than just a one-hit wonder, but as far as I can tell the odds are overwhelming that their next project will not be as good. Partly because of what you implied that pretty much every person involved blew their entire creative load with this and they may be running low for a while. Could even be the case that next project may be underwhelming but eventually they find their footing and get back to form even.

Either way, as far as I'm concerned, they made E33, so whatever happens next their existence was well worth it and I won't blame them if they never make anything good ever again.

I was surprise by how widespread yellow fever was (outside of 4chud basement gamers) watching outers play this game. Even white women were simping for Lune.
Admittedly, Sciel was broken goods and she looked a litle weird, but I wonder if a more conventionally attractive white woman could dethrone Lune?
Thinking Yennefer from Witcher of Sif from God of War

>>714881794
shallow ff-esque turn based attacking with qtes combined with real time parry or dodge defending.
it's a very clumsy clash of mechanics that don't work together well.

>>714902195
what a horrible opinion

>>714880314
Don't worry everyone's on the way.

Let's be honest: it would be retarded NOT to be in a painting. You could learn new languages and skills while in a painting, if the painting is based around irl physics.
>But you need to pai-
You can use another person's painting. Not just that. A single day not in the paintings amounts to CENTURIES WASTED. for every single day not spent in a created world you lose potentially 100s of years. Verso and Clea were most likely mentally 1000s of years old by the time verso died.

>>714902051
Sciel is already the most beautiful E33 girl. Just give her Lune's haircut.

>>714869817 (OP)
it's not even in my top 10. play more games

>>714899334
Not quite a brainlet, but someone who wants simple wish fulfillment and fantasy instead of bittersweet and contemplative.

Also, you forget that the soul of Verso (the child) also wishes to stop painting, wishes to cease existing. He is the creator of the Lumiere canvas and you would deny him release out of compassion for the falselives of the painted people you the player adventured with.

Reminder that pAlicia casually delivered the 2 best spoken moments in the game while being mute and stole every single scene she was in and she never gets talked about. Truly the uncelebrated shadow of the much less interesting real thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owxC9Wdmdo0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhwmZ_U8Ff0

Wife

>>714906404
femcel vibes

>>714899134
I don't know how people can disagree with Renoir when he's literally right about everything
Aline and Alicia are both insane with grief and have a death wish, and he's desperately trying to stop them from killing themselves and Alicia won't even admit it

>>714904479
Why did Aline even paint another Alicia? Even in her escapism fantasy, did she just want another daughter she could ostracize and blame for what happened? If Verso's alive in her fantasy, why also paint her daughter as a mute burn victim?

>>714892706
e33 is a white man's game. Post your hand

>>714908120
>Even in her escapism fantasy, did she just want another daughter she could ostracize and blame for what happened?
Literally yes, that's why she gave her scars and a damaged throat and also painted her in black and white instead of giving her colors like the rest of her fake family.

>>714869817 (OP)
OP here, I meant to say one of the *GAYEST* games ever made

>>714872106
>Lune is the only one butthurt at disappearing
No more big baguette for you

>>714902051
Sciel is amazing looking but has a reduced place in the story. She doesn't even have a companion quest. She has the important role of the more grounded (wo)man in a cast of strong characters but it's understandable she isn't waifued much.
How many pick the class president and the computer scientist as their waifus in evangelion which are the best choices of cunny and hag respectively?

>>714908120
I assume she felt like she had to paint her because the whole point was having her whole family there intact, but the resentment runs too deep and she just couldn't help but to paint her as a freakish version of the real thing.

A lot of it I feel like makes more sense emotionally than rationally. I sort of like to interpret it as your state of mind in a way is an unavoidable fact when it comes to expressing yourself through painting. I keep remembering that whole piece of optional monologue with Renoir talking about art and what it takes to create it, about how it's a mirror and you can't truly create art if you lie through it, especially to yourself. Something like that.

>>714869817 (OP)
If a game has a choice at the end, then it isn't a choice. A game with choices influences the rest of the game. In this case, there is no rest of the game. The game is finito. Over. The choice is at the end. Well, my choice is to not play.

I like the implication with the Act 1 Aline/Renoir conversation after Maelle gets temporarily shunted out that they've just been like shittalking each other for 67 years

>>714909141
There's a lot of that in the game. My favorite implied interaction is Clea vs pClea. I find it endlessly amusing.

Destroy My-Lfags and make them seethe defending their ending with just ONE PICTURE

>>714909404
These people should unironically get executed

>>714872961
>>714869817 (OP)
Hon hon hon la baguette in moi posterior

>>714872106
I nearly felt guilty when I saw that stare.

1) Painters vs Writer, pretty much a sequel?
I'd like a Clea protag.

2) What's the time dilation between IRL time and in-canvas time?

>>714910965
>1) Painters vs Writer, pretty much a sequel?
>I'd like a Clea protag.
If they insist on making a sequel set in the same universe for the love of God leave all the characters from e33 completely out of it. Have some fucking integrity and show some restraint.

>2) What's the time dilation between IRL time and in-canvas time?
Literally doesn't matter.

>>714909404
>>714909681
Museums now have thick glass panels on paintings that are a mess of reflected surrounding light forcing you to stand in one specific position to see anything.

>>714884397
I love how you're acting like Sciel is a character. You could remove her from the game and nothing changes.

>>714869817 (OP)
One thing I wonder about, Verso was able to exist in the area with the painting boy because of Aline. Did she intend him to go there or is it just part of him being immortal?

>>714869817 (OP)
Did Real Renoir intend to create the portal to Shotaso?

>>714911230
>Characters from E33
nigga they're all dead

>>714911759
Yes

>>714912404
I obviously meant e33 (the game), not the expedition inside the game. Also not true because Alicia is still alive. Also, also, they have two different endings they can pretend are canon, so if they really want to they can just bring anyone back, which would be absolutely fucking disgusting but they have that on the table.

>>714912580
I don't think they're going to make a direct sequel to E33. Maybe some more games set in the same universe, but not the same characters.

The shilling's even worse than bg3

>>714870693
/thread

>>714873208
>4th of july
>normies get together and convince their friends to play the top contender for GOTY

>>714907608
BUT THINK ABOUT HER IMAGINARY FRIENDS!!

>>714911230
I could see them revealing that all the main human characters are based on actual people in the 'real' world. Like Gustave actually being one of the Writers who tricked Alicia and started all this.

>>714873504
>COE33
>GOTY

Not so fucking fast

>>714869817 (OP)
>Horrifically linear game with no surprises
>Meaningless choice at the very end
>"HOLY SHIT IT'S UNIRONICALLY ONE OF THE GREATEST GAMES EVER MADE!"

>>714913994
Are you implying Prime 4 will even be named?
First person metroid was always shit

>>714877189
GTA
Tony Hawk
Mario
Zelda
Guitar Hero
Titanfall 2

>>714914106
>NOOOO I WANTED MORE MEANDERING OPEN WORLD SLOP WITH ZERO NARRATIVE PACING
Just go replay BOTW/TOTK

>>714914106
>I NEED MORE OPEN WORLD SLOOOOPPP
please stop yourself

>listen to the soundtrack on spotify
>suddenly tracks start feeling like they're not quite as I remember them
did they do something with them or spotify itself recently or is it just because I'm sober now?

>>714886119
>No human character explores the anguish coming from the fact that they aren't "real"
because the game isnt about reddit simulation theory, but instead about how people deal with grief. No one has time for existential crises.

>>714911840
Renoir opens the portal to the outside world and to that intermediate layer. He is an old geezer at painting so he probably didn't make it by accident, even Maelle who is a jobber seems aware this place existed once you get there.
The question is why didn't he enter it himself but his plan A for gommage was to just gather all the chroma. Probably painted Verso was better suited for convincing shotasco to stop painting which is plan B.
My headcanon.

>>714914193
what the flying fuck did you just say nigga????

Fuck off you don't deserve cool shit

>>714914538
Zelda's story is told through a mythical lenses not a fucking narrative lens. Therefore, the story can actually have unity with the gameplay itself.

>>714873208
Shills panicked once they realised the FOMO syndrome was wearing off, and kicked their spam into overdrive.

>>714914987
Having sandbox elements can be great actually.

>>714916454
>Mythical lenses
>unity with the gameplay itself
HOLY COPE

>>714869817 (OP)
> masonic themes, masonic symbols
holy hell how did they get away with this, and what are they predictively programming wit this?

>it's gonna be okay, it's gonna be okay huh? You have this incredible power to paint. You'll never have to suffer a life you don't want. You're okay, you're okay, you're okay...
Admit it, you cried anon.

>>714916704
WELL FUCKING BACK UP YO SHIT nigga

I waited a month to get this game thinking the shilling would end and people would turn on it like always, and yet the daily threads praising it consisted. So I picked it up and went into it nearly blind, and couldn't put it down. I actually spent a while deliberating on which ending to choose before of course, coming to the conclusion that Verso's ending is the only right choice. It fucking broke me. Beautiful game, a true artistic masterpiece and what this medium is all about. Restored my faith in vidya. 9.5/10 and easily my GOTY

>>714916795
>okay
Meds

>>714917293
It's a rare case of a good video game made in current year.

>>714873361
They quite literally explain everything in nauseating detail by act 3

>>714917441
It made me hate the French margianlly less.

>This is unironically one of the greatest games ever made.
Then play more videogames so you develop proper taste.
>>714917293
>this game... le broke me...
What a fag. Get to the part where you write whole essays about pointless crap like muh story muh characters muh music but have little to say about gameplay.
>>714917441
Normalfag slop is not "good".

>>714917441
meh, it's basically just a 3d version of child of light. Makes sense since it's made by ex ubisoft devs so the dna is there but yeah.

>>714893490
Your friend is a retard

>>714917640
Trying WAY too hard. Bait is better when subtle

>>714917840
His friend is based.

>>714917991
>noooo is that someone scoffing at my shilled normalfag slop on heccin 4chan?! Must be le bait!!!
Reddit exists. Go back to your friends, and take your normie crap with you.

>>714869817 (OP)
story is barely better than what xenoblade 3 story was

>>714917293
I usually hate buying games at full price, but I bit the bullet and bought E33 during launch week, before anything could really get spoiled.

The prologue is a textbook example of how a good game hooks you
After an hour you know the primary characters, you know the gameplay mechanic, you know the villain, you see the villain do something terrible, and you know your mission
Then it culminates in an inspirational speech overlaying a driving musical theme, as you literally sail into the unknown to defend your home and loved ones

>>714918219
>After an hour you know the primary characters, you know the gameplay mechanic, you know the villain, you see the villain do something terrible, and you know your mission
Then it culminates in an inspirational speech overlaying a driving musical theme, as you literally sail into the unknown to defend your home and loved ones
This isn't how a good game is supposed to "hook" someone. If muh story is all you talk about, then the game is trash.

>>714918219
>villain
I know you're just talking about the initial setup, but there is no villain in E33 and thats what makes the game so kino.

>>714918503
>there is no villain
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

>>714918449
>If muh story is all you talk about, then the game is trash.
snoy niggers need to fucking listen here.

By the way, let me do some community service and remind people how this "game" actually looks. Now you know why all these threads are just discord fags gushing over muh story and spamming their forced memes while having nothing to say about gameplay.

>>714918503
Right, but you don't know there's no villain at that point, and all the signs point to the Paintress as this all-powerful unmerciful killing machine who must be stopped
And holy shit, was I pumped up to stop her at that point

>>714918449
>akkkshually game peaked with Quake II and we blame that icky Half Life for ruining video games

>>714918503
Aline, Renoir and pVerso are all villains

>>714917539
Yeah, because they wanted to make absolutely sure the TikTok crowd could follow along without getting bored and wandering off. Act 3 is basically exposition the game. I liked the buildup and mystery early on, but they really went full "handhold and explain everything" mode by the end. Let some shit breathe, Jesus.

>>714919346
What did he mean by this?

Did he do a good job as Verso?

>>714919904
not really

>>714874867
what I dislike about the new understanding you obtain is that it's not even reframing the conversations because a lot of interactions really only has one intended meaning. There is really only one frame of understanding.
When you hear the conversations initially, a lot of the dialogue do not make sense in the context of the "Expedition" which is the Act 1 and 2 narrative layer, and only really make sense in the "Family Drama" narrative layer, post Clea's higher world exposition.

>>714896562
>>714896943
I have a bit of insider info. The next game will not be connected to E33 at all. The early draft of the script is already written. That's all I know regarding the sequel

>>714923452
Oh and also the codename is project Fantasia

>>714923595
More breadcrumbs pls. Is production already underway?

>>714901418
Yeah the game itself doesn't give a shit about the legitimacy of the Canvas lifeforms so it's not really on the player to shoulder that burden. Renoir doesn't treat them as lesser, Lune and Sciel don't plea for their rights or existence and instead talk about parental bonds and shit it's just not on the radar of the story being told in Act 3. That's why it's so funny when Maelle xitter midwits start screaming fallaciously about muh genocide. 1/3rd of the living Lumerians wants to kill himself, 90% of the Gestrals are in a dead queue, the Grandis are a fraction of a fraction living in a run down train station, and Esquie doesn't care either way. Place is cooked