Thread 714902245 - /v/ [Archived: 469 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/8/2025, 9:33:13 PM No.714902245
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why are DS1, DS2, BB, Sekiro and ER so beloved and no one cares about dogshit 3?
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 9:34:43 PM No.714902359
>>714902245 (OP)
I think DS3 is the aesthetic peak of the series, though its tied with Bloodborne.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 9:36:25 PM No.714902470
They're all the exact same dogshit with shit combat. Play Nioh instead.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 9:39:18 PM No.714902708
>>714902245 (OP)
DaS3 was a rushed hackjob for Bamco
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 9:48:08 PM No.714903425
Why do DS2 niggers lump their dogshit in with actual good games?
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 9:51:55 PM No.714903762
>>714903425
DaS2 and ER are the best FromSoft games
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:13:50 PM No.714905616
>>714903762
no, their best games are Sekiro and Bloodborne
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:15:12 PM No.714905701
>>714902245 (OP)
I still miss the dual wield system from DS2
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:15:58 PM No.714905764
>>714902245 (OP)
>DS2
>Beloved
Nice try faggot
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:15:58 PM No.714905768
I got my fill of the formula with DS1 and was thoroughly tapped out after BB
From needs to do literally anything else
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:17:03 PM No.714905854
>>714902245 (OP)
DS3 is literally "DIRECTOR SAMA, DS2 WAS TOO AMBITIONS AND HAD TOO MANY IDEAS, WE NEED DS1-2.0 WITH ZERO UNIQUE GAMEPLAY IDEAS OR LOCATIONS"
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:20:58 PM No.714906196
>>714902245 (OP)
DS3 is just patched BB with 60fps
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:22:44 PM No.714906339
>>714905854
>he's still seething
Also ambitious how?
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:25:14 PM No.714906532
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>>714902359
>aesthetic peak of the series
Sorry bub, that spot is reserved for Sekino
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:25:41 PM No.714906568
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>>714902245 (OP)
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:26:06 PM No.714906621
>>714906532
Sekiro isn't a souls game you fucking moron.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:26:30 PM No.714906656
>>714906532
japslop
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:28:13 PM No.714906809
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>>714906621
>>714906656
Nice cope
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:29:34 PM No.714906919
>>714905616
>Shit action game
>shitty Demon's Souls clone #3467989
Is that all they got? I thought this was an industry leader not a shovelware factory.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:30:36 PM No.714906993
>>714906532
Sorry I misspelled Nioh. Sekiro is trash.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:31:35 PM No.714907069
>>714902245 (OP)
>dark souls 2 fan
>can't stop talking about dark souls 3
classic, kys
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:33:24 PM No.714907218
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This?
Again?
Really?
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:34:20 PM No.714907294
>>714906532
Eh, the washed out warm look is bland. Elden Ring had the same problem.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:34:47 PM No.714907327
>>714906532
it unironically looks like any other game set in japan GoT looks more esthetic
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:35:28 PM No.714907371
>>714902359
As the biggest fucking DS3 slurper in this entire website there's no way DS3 is on the same level as BB in terms of aesthetics. BB is by far the most aesthetically impressive FROM game.

>>714902245 (OP)
Nice try but replace DS2 with 3 there buddy. No one with 3 digit IQ gives a single fuck about 2
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:36:08 PM No.714907421
>>714902245 (OP)
Shadow of the Erdtree is shit
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:37:41 PM No.714907530
>>714907371
BB looks like gray and black vomit on the screen and so does DS3.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:39:17 PM No.714907635
>>714902245 (OP)
>DS3 doesn't have the strategic design to combat of earlier Souls
>DS3 doesn't have the incredible aesthetics of Bloodborne
>DS3 doesn't have the combat depth of Sekiro
>DS3 doesn't have the build variety and customizability of Elden Ring
Its the jack of all trades and mediocre in every regard.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:39:31 PM No.714907654
>>714902708
As were the first two.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:40:20 PM No.714907708
metroid is ubisoft
metroid is ubisoft
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>>714906568
Between this image, the like image about botw and totk, and the fact that everyone here shilled ballhurtsgay and seethed about donkey kong's eyebrows, I am fully confident that a majority of /v/ are now utterly tasteless faggots who dont want video games, but instead rough, graphic gay sex simulations and hacky jankslop from japan.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:40:40 PM No.714907732
>>714902245 (OP)
Threads like this are why DS2 is shot on more than 3.
3fags keep to their land and accept their spot in the hierarchy of games.
2fags have a massive chip on their shoulder and refuse to shut the fuck up.
Then why you try and call them out on it they deflect via either "irony" or obstinate autism.

Being at the bottom of the souls series isn't even that bad. Yeah its not a shining house on the moutain. but its not a slum either, its like a nice middle class suburbia house.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:41:21 PM No.714907778
>>714907708
>>714907708
I should say between YOUR image and.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:42:25 PM No.714907870
>>714902359
DS3 intentionally looks like repulsive dogshit from start to finish.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:42:48 PM No.714907906
>>714907732
ds2 is hard to rank because it has the highest highs and lowest lows out of any dark souls game
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:42:53 PM No.714907914
>>714902245 (OP)
DS3 is both the best selling and most liked Souls game. DS3 is a God tier game and it's time 4retards stopped coping because everyone else already agrees.
The 100% canon Miyazaki approved objective Souls tier list is:
ER > DS3 > BB > DS1 > DeS > dogshit > DS2
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:43:14 PM No.714907935
>>714902359
>DS3
>dood, member anal rodeo?? the game
>aesthetic peak
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:43:39 PM No.714907974
>>714907732
Problem is the majority of the games in this series are slum tier and not worth it while a very few are middle class but in the lower sector.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:43:55 PM No.714907996
>>714907906
DS2 is actually hard to rank because it's an immersive sim being lumped in with a half dozen action RPGs
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:44:56 PM No.714908096
>>714907974
The worst From game is better than your favorite game
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:45:08 PM No.714908114
>>714907870
It looks better than BB which runs on pure dogshit console fps.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:45:11 PM No.714908115
>>714907732
Is 3 not the top? Its easily my favorite, maybe not the original release, but the full release with all the DLC was better than the first and since the only good think about 2 was the DLC, defacto better than that.
Of course, I havent played any of the other fromsoft games or nioh or whatever, in fact the only other soulslike I did play was mortal shell, which was fucking cool as well but gets hate.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:47:39 PM No.714908329
>>714908115
3 is my favorite too, but I also have a brain and I'm capable of exercising some bias restraint when passing judgement on things. DS3 is not better than 1 and it's not better than BB. It's in play against everything else though.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:48:19 PM No.714908386
>>714907708
>slopslopsloplslopslsollskllslsop
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:48:34 PM No.714908410
>>714907996
LMAO what part of DS2 is immersive sim?
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:49:36 PM No.714908495
>>714908096
Nah Nioh 2 and Nier mogs the entire pathetic Fromshit catalog.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:52:01 PM No.714908686
>>714908114
BB runs like shit but the artstyle is great. It can be gorey, but is very beautiful at times. DS3 is just fucking gross, from start to finish. Where bloodborne uses gore, DS3 uses shit. And I do mean actual poo and corpses and black slime. It's everywhere. All the enemies are sickly and rabid. And it never lets up, even the areas that ostensibly look clean and nice are inevitably tainted. Like the painted world being infested by maggots or irithyll forcing you to walk through an open sewer. It's gross, GROSS!
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:54:04 PM No.714908879
>>714907935
>ds2fag
>dood, member ornstien
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:56:35 PM No.714909087
>>714908686
Yeah that's very different from DS1 and 2 where only 90% of the world is covered in shit.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:57:58 PM No.714909216
Roll slop.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:58:12 PM No.714909237
>>714908115
3 has three major issues
>To linear
>To many callbacks to DS1
>Stuck in a weird half spot where the game is trying to be Bloodborn and Dark Souls at the same time and is worse off off it.
In all it make the game come off like a poor mans Bloodborn than anything.

Like the General considerations go something like this
>Demons
Venerable Elder
>Dark
The Full Package that had its sequels improve upon various aspects but never as the Full Package
>Dark 2
Super ambitions mess
>Bloodborne
Departure that hyper specialized in a way the mainstream liked and did it well
>Dark 3
Underambitious but solid
>Sekiro
Barely considered the same series
>Elden Ring
Drastic jump both empowered and held back by its sheer scope.
>Nightreign
Fortnight spinnoff for those who only play for the bosses.

A better way of differentiating them is that they are all liked but 2&3 are the ones who don't get into the country club (with Nightreign's acceptance in depending upon what its DLC can add),
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:59:14 PM No.714909340
They all look and play the same. I don't see why this argument should take place. It's like third worlders bickering which shit hole is less shit.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:59:43 PM No.714909390
>>714909237
>noooo, it ties to the series too strongly!!!
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:00:38 PM No.714909471
>>714902245 (OP)
>no one cares
>over 2.5x people played Dark Souls 3 on Steam today than both releases of Dark Souls 2 combined
imagine if people cared lmao
Dark Souls 2 was literal trash
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:00:47 PM No.714909486
>>714909237
Bloodborne had terrible bosses and was too linear too.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:05:32 PM No.714909892
>>714909390
Yes
Its a side effect of going from Demons to Dark and from how DS2 did it.
Once you have an expectation for a drastic departure in setting between games, not doing that feels cheap. Then you add in that the way Dark Souls 2 did it was "hey that sure looks awfully familiar, rrrrrrrright?" both soured people on it and created a new sect of fans where that became the expectation so when DS3 comes in with "here is Andre again!" to some it comes across as lazy and lame in its blatant presentation and to others is comes across as a downgrade from how DS2 did it depending on taste.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:06:28 PM No.714909964
The biggest blackpill is knowing that all of them sucked and you're better off playing actual RPGs or action games.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:07:12 PM No.714910015
>>714909486
The difference is that Bloodborne didn't have a big 3 at the end of its name and all the expectations that came with that, so it doing that thing is fine since it did it well.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:07:36 PM No.714910041
>>714908410
2 is filled with weird ass puzzle shit. Secret areas hidden behind walls you can blow up or paintings you can knock down, scaring enemies with your torch, blowing up enemies by kiting them near explosives stored in the level, a much greater emphasis on supplies and resources, items and even whole portions of levels being locked behind consumable items (Elden Ring would bring this back, but only to a very limited extent), physically destroying level hazards, altering boss arenas to give you an advantage before you entered. Did you know that the urns above the covetous demon have hollows in them, and if you knock them down, the demon will get distracted and attack them? Did you know that NPC white phantoms will gesture you to come near so they can buff you? Did you know that the dragon armor guys will only attack you if you decline to duel each of the big dragon knight dudes in honorable 1v1? Did you know that they DON'T show you this mercy if you broke all the dragon eggs in the previous area? DS2 has kind of simple and frankly, too easy, combat, but it's loaded to the gills with all sorts of neat little gameplay details and interactions. I highly reccomend trying an exalted conquerer run to really "get" DS2.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:07:47 PM No.714910064
>>714905616
>>714903762
Nope, Shadow tower and Kingsfield 4 and its not even close
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:07:55 PM No.714910075
>>714909237
>>To many callbacks to DS1
Explain to me why is it wrong for a sequel to mention and expand upon things introduced in the previous entries.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:09:02 PM No.714910156
>>714910075
See >>714909892
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:09:24 PM No.714910191
Because it's a boring boss rush with horrendous level design
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:10:22 PM No.714910280
>>714907635
DS3 isnt mediocre, its dogshit. Its literally rollspam the game. All you do is roll roll roll
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:11:08 PM No.714910341
>>714909087
DS1 and 2 aren't nearly so relentlessly unclean, and nothing in them reaches the depths of DS3's irithyl dungeon or anor londo. Not that the utter horror of these areas would be a problem if the rest of the game or even part it strongly contrasted its lowest points, but that just is not the case
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:14:42 PM No.714910623
>>714910075
DS3 is set at the end of creation and is metaphorically about creative stagnation, and as such, including characters and areas from dark souls 1, including fucking HUMANS who are just inexplicably MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD, is both narratively illogical and thematically inappropriate.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:15:44 PM No.714910702
>>714910280
Tranny zoomer
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:17:42 PM No.714910864
Actual Fromsoft ranking by an Actual Fromsoft fan. Not you, the nu fromslop twink bussy slave
ST>KF4>KF3>ER>KF>DS>DS2>KF2>ETR>DES>STA> dogshit >DS3
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:18:44 PM No.714910963
>>714910702
The truth hurts dont it?
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:19:00 PM No.714910976
>>714910864
>Actual Fromsoft fan
Not seeing those Armored Core games anywhere on your list anon anon...
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:20:19 PM No.714911095
>>714910976
Ive only beat 4 of em, dark fantasy is simply the best
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:23:39 PM No.714911381
>>714908329
The fuck is BB?
>Its not better than 1
1 had what, two or three completely jank, unfinished (or at least seemingly unfinished) areas in it? I dont recall ever reacting to 3 with "Wow what the fuck were they thinking?" like with 1 and 2.
Artorias was a really cool fight, but for the base game it seems like my most vivid memories were of bullshit like the butterfly, who might actually be the most boring boss I've ever played against, and the giant lava faggot, who might actually be the second most boring boss ive ever played against. O&S were cool though, I actually liked all of anor londo and I thought that was the best area in the game, so maybe I just the stuff other people tend to hate.

I liked the first game but I dont see why people think its an absolute vidya phenom.

>>714909237
Since I just strip naked and use an ultragreatsword, I have no fuckin clue what you mean by the bloodborne bit.

>sekiro barely considered the same series
wait, is it actually part of the series, or do you just mean in terms of gameplay?

>nightreign is fortnight
ive never played fortnight but im pretty sure its not dark souls monster hunter.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:28:25 PM No.714911851
>>714910156
Oh, so you saw Andre and said "lmao shallow", turned off your brain, and took all the thoughful callbacks to DS1 that happen afterwards were shallow as well?
>>714910623
>DS3 is set at the end of creation
No, it's set in a time bubble of creation where a kingdom tried to build a failsafe for the inevitable end of the world (which is the state the Kiln and Dreg Heap are in).
>fucking HUMANS who are just inexplicably MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD
First, an actual timeframe between Lordran's existence and Lothric Kingdom's rise is never provided. Second, the only characters that reappear from previous entries are either immortal Undead like Andre and Patches or Gods with a fragment of the Great Soul fron Gwyn's family.
>>714910280
DS3 shows that the world is literally going to shit, nothing clean remains and the grander spots like Irithyll and Lothric Castle are being defiled.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:33:17 PM No.714912279
>>714911851
Last link was for >>714910341
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:36:08 PM No.714912515
>>714911381
>I liked the first game but I dont see why people think its an absolute vidya phenom.
Again its the Full package and touches upon a bunch of different playstyles and ways to engage which appeals to a wide variety of players from Dungeon craw guys, to action game dudes to RPG Nerds, to PvP guys, its just that the other games are more specialized in various ways.
Going by your
>Since I just strip naked and use an ultragreatsword
and lack of playing Bloodborne Dark Souls 3 sets itself as a drastic improvement on those aspects but is weaker in other areas. The issue is that Bloodborne fills that particular niche better so unless your looking for a halfway point between DaS and BB in particular DS3 lacks in one regard or the other.

The Sekiro comment was abut the gameplay. Its incredibly specialized and most people acknowledge its position among the others but its such a hyper specialized game that people don't engage with it under the same criteria. And the Nightreign comment was more a snide remark on the storm mechanic but the comment on it being another hyper specialized game with the focus being just the boss fights is true.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:38:04 PM No.714912701
>>714902245 (OP)
3 is the the biggest normie favorite after elden ring
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:38:46 PM No.714912772
>>714911851
>it's set in a time bubble of creation where a kingdom tried to build a failsafe for the inevitable end of the world
No that's the ringed city. Most of DS3 takes place just before the end of the world while the kiln/dreg heap are set not too long after that.
>an actual timeframe between Lordran's existence and Lothric Kingdom's rise is never provided.
Well that's just it isn't it? The whole narrative thrust is that the first flame has been kept alive WAY longer than it should have been, long enough for their to have been many lords of cinder and at least hundreds if not thousands of failed link attempts, and that narrative kind of falls flat if it's only been like a few thousand years. And I can believe that someone like Andre would outlive normal humans. But to outlive even the memory of the dead gods who ruled while he lived? Fuck off.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:41:38 PM No.714913012
>>714902245 (OP)
Because more DS is something nobody actually wants despite what people say
What you actually want is to get hit with a frying pan on the head and get to relive DS1 for the first time

Not turn DS into Pokรฉmon
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:41:42 PM No.714913019
DS3 time played
DS3 time played
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>>714911851
Its less I turned my brain off personally (I quite like DS3 myself) and more that culturally Direct Sequels are not respected as much thanks to the Demons to Dark transition.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:42:51 PM No.714913110
>>714912515
>and lack of playing Bloodborne Dark Souls 3 sets itself as a drastic improvement on those aspects but is weaker in other areas. The issue is that Bloodborne fills that particular niche better so unless your looking for a halfway point between DaS and BB in particular DS3 lacks in one regard or the other.
So youre saying I need to play bloodborne.
I got to the cleric beast while playing at a friends house but never got the game because im not a snoy, I thought the combat at first blush was interesting, but I do prefer the chunky combat since I prefer my action games pure cuhrayzee .
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:48:18 PM No.714913557
>>714912701
>No that's the ringed city.
That's where you're wrong. Since Firelink Shrine was timestuck in the Untended Graves, a sufficiently powerful Lord can be projected forth to the end of the world to go link the First Flame, even if the people of that time can no longer produce a Lord or even reach the Kiln. To become so powerful, you need to absorb the power of five other Lords of Cinder, four of which have already linked the fire in the past, and one of which has the potential to, but never did.
>But to outlive even the memory of the dead gods who ruled while he lived?
You, a nameless Undead killed those gods way back in DS1, yet Andre never died. He already outlived them.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:49:19 PM No.714913658
Dark Souls 1 is the only good one out of modern FS but it's a mid game compared to other games outside of it.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:49:47 PM No.714913710
>>714913110
Yeah you should, the staring weapon are all in the middle range of weapons.
based on what you have said, I would suggest looking into things like Ludwig's Holy Blade, Boom Hammer, or the Kirk Hammer if you do get around to playing it.
In fact one of BB greatest strengths even if it can be a bit frustrating on your fist run is that every weapon is very unique with its own move set, but you got to get to said weapons over the course of the game unlike the others where you can find A Ultragreatsword early on and find others later, you got to find the exact specialized weapon before you can use that move set.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:50:38 PM No.714913793
>>714913019
>more that culturally Direct Sequels are not respected as much thanks to the Demons to Dark transition
The game is called Dark Souls 3, it's going to have callbacks to the previous entries. Otherwise, it would've been called like, i dunno, Flame Souls?
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:54:33 PM No.714914120
>>714902359
It genuinely has the ugliest style and aesthetics of the series though, there's a reason anyone who ever it defends it only posts the bridge view of the snowy city zone, it's the only zone of the game that doesn't look dull and washed the fuck out except maybe the dragon temple
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:56:31 PM No.714914283
>>714913793
I think there's a difference between a callback and just re-use. The Hawk Ring mentioning the giant had gone blind, but was still able to fell a massive dragon is a callback. Siegward is not.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:00:02 AM No.714914540
>>714913557
>a sufficiently powerful Lord can be projected forth to the end of the world to go link the First Flame, even if the people of that time can no longer produce a Lord or even reach the Kiln. To become so powerful, you need to absorb the power of five other Lords of Cinder, four of which have already linked the fire in the past, and one of which has the potential to, but never did.
Sure, but that's just time travel. You scavenge some power from near the end of the world and take it forward in time to the end of the world to relight the flame (or not do that). The only place that's actually frozen in time is the ringed city.
>You, a nameless Undead killed those gods way back in DS1, yet Andre never died. He already outlived them.
Sure, he outlived them, but it's preposterous he even outlived all memory of their existence. It's like including magic that slows aging in your modern fantasy setting as an excuse to have some homo erectus just hanging around doing chores without any additional elaboration.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:00:29 AM No.714914578
>>714914283
>Siegward is not.
Siegward is very different from Siegmeyer though.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:01:33 AM No.714914660
>>714913793
Yeah, but having stuff like Andre, and Anor Londo go to far. Most of the game is fine.
Like off the top of my head all they had to do was.
Not have Andre as your blacksmith
Scrub any direct namedrops to DS1 characters
Rework irithyl to only heavily imply the Anor Londo connection instead of just having the cathedral right there with Gwyndolin getting vored inside

The ringed city is fine however because that is a weird time bubble plot.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:03:52 AM No.714914859
>>714914660
The defiled anor londo cathedral would be fine if it were in the depths of irithyll dungeon instead of just, floating in the air, apparently unmoved from its location in DS1
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:04:01 AM No.714914867
>>714914540
>Sure, he outlived them, but it's preposterous he even outlived all memory of their existence. It's like including magic that slows aging in your modern fantasy setting as an excuse to have some homo erectus just hanging around doing chores without any additional elaboration.
Fuck that reminds me of a fantasy book series I heard about once that had a race of cavemen who became undead and by the time the story takes place basically just dick around doing whatever they feel like.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:05:38 AM No.714914984
>>714906532
>IM GONNA WEEEEEEEEB
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:07:04 AM No.714915101
>>714914578
Might be different, but it's still the same path.
Same voice with the same personality, gets stumped by puzzles, tries to come up with a plan, but you rush ahead anyway, then continue to save him from various 'traps' he finds himself in. It's like a cartoon. The same characters go on a crazy adventure which is nothing like the last, but it's still hitting the same story beats.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:07:06 AM No.714915104
>>714914540
Maybe "time frozen" is not the right term, but Lothric is the one that made its own system for sending useful Undead into the future to provide more flame. It is, for all intents and purposes, a time bubble.
>all memory of their existence
How many gods do you think modern mankind has forgotten, with no way for us to ever remember them?
Also, many DS1 and 2 gods are still mentioned, like Izalith and Seath, or even present in the background like Caitha/Velka, Lloyd and Gwynevere.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:08:36 AM No.714915217
>>714907914
this nigga started with ds3
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:15:52 AM No.714915759
>>714915101
Siegmeyer is a deadbeat who is just trying to find his last adventure in Lordran, but keeps getting stumped because he's clumsy and cowardly. He then either dies or goes hollow after a single act of heroism because you keep saving him from danger.
Siegward instead is actually brave and earnest, trying to fulfill an impossible promise he made to Yohrm, possibly after trying and failing to link the Fire himself since he's unkindled. He finally dies of tiredness.
The only thing they share is the equipment since they come from the same place.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:16:04 AM No.714915780
>>714915104
>but Lothric is the one that made its own system for sending useful Undead into the future to provide more flame.
This is not implied in the game. In fact, it seems more like the first flame itself is trying to scrounge up leftover fuel from the past in a desperate bid to keep itself alive, through its psychic connection to the undead.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:26:33 AM No.714916509
>>714915759
I feel like I'm repeating myself here. But yes, they do have a different 'story'. But it's still the same structure.
>is the equipment
Absolutely incorrect. As I mentioned, his voice and personality, and the general hijinks he gets into.
Solarie's armour is a callback, because there's no Solaire again.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:29:21 AM No.714916724
>>714915780
If the Flame wanted to be lit, why would it try to stop you? Why would you have the choice to snuff it or steal it if the Flame was mentally compelling you?
If Lothric Kingdom didn't plan a way to keep lighting the Flame, why would it stuff a cemetery full of Unkindled and Lords of Cinder as well as build thrones around Firelink Shrine for those lords to sit?
It's obviously a whole system the Kingdom made to continue extending the Age of Fire. Even the castle us full of iconography about sacrifice with knights beheading themselves.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:34:51 AM No.714917118
>>714916509
They both get stuck into hyjinks yes, but Siegmeyer does it for himself to stave off hollowing, while Siegward is moved by a higher purpose.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:36:35 AM No.714917240
>>714916724
>If the Flame wanted to be lit, why would it try to stop you?
It doesn't. The SoC serves as a challenge to prove that you can actually link the flame and not just burn up and be destroyed (like you did the first time). The flame also knows you have infinite tries because it's what's fueling your immortality.
>If Lothric Kingdom didn't plan a way to keep lighting the Flame, why would it stuff a cemetery full of Unkindled and Lords of Cinder as well as build thrones around Firelink Shrine for those lords to sit?
Firstly, the graves are there because that's where all the failed lords of cinder died. Secondly, we don't know who built the thrones or what their intention was (the graves are untended after all). We and the fire keeper use them to house the embers of slain lords, but they're just chairs. I do agree that Lothric culture was significantly fixated on cultivating sacrifices for the flame (that was the point of Prince Lothric's birth after all), but there's no evidence that they had access to time travel to make that happen. If they did, they would have used it more liberally.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:44:58 AM No.714917801
>>714917118
Anon, I'm struggling to understand the confusion here between us. You're talking about the story. I'm talking about the structure. The story is different, the structure is not.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:53:51 AM No.714918475
>>714917240
>to prove that you can actually link the flame and not just burn up and be destroyed
If you failed once, why did it even let you try back then?
>we don't know who built the thrones or what their intention was (the graves are untended after all)
Yeah who could've possibly built this cemetery connected to Lothric Castle where the kingdom's founder is found? I truly wonder.
>there's no evidence that they had access to time travel to make that happen.
It can only be done in Firelink Shrine because the bonfire there is placed into the Lordvessel, which links all bonfires across time including the future. And only Undead can use bonfires.
>If they did, they would have used it more liberally.
To do what else? They are already the most important kingdom in the world, their queen is the daughter of Gwyn, they have sponsorship from all the branches of the Way of White, they are allied with the Undead Legion that fights to keep the Abyss at bay, they have scholars that understand the secrets of the Scaleless's crystal sorcery, they have knights that tame wyverns. Linking the Flame is literally the most important thing in the world to do for them.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:04:17 AM No.714919289
>>714918475
>If you failed once, why did it even let you try back then?
Cause this time you had explicit instruction to go kill other lords of cinder to pump up your shit
>connected to Lothric Castle
It's just right next to lothric castle, like the whole ass map is.
>It can only be done in Firelink Shrine
Or the back of Friede's church
>To do what else?
Go back and kidnap or kill loads of important dudes from all across history to get fuel for the fire, rather than fret over and fail at trying to genetically engineer better sacrifices
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:16:37 AM No.714920202
DAS3 BULLSHIT TRACKING
DAS3 BULLSHIT TRACKING
md5: c2406c07f3390e13817aa2e855f98c19๐Ÿ”
>People shit on DaS2 for years
>Almost skipped it
>Got SotFS at discount when DaS3 was almost releasing back then
>The beginning is the hardest part, but if you're coming from DaS1 it's no big deal
>Hated the first area, but kept going
>120 hours later, finished it with the 3 DLCs
>It was an incredible ride
>Fuckton of lore
>Fuckton of secrets
>Fuckton of content
>Fuckton of technology

>Get DaS3 at release at 14 PESOS because back then Steam had a bug on the price
>Excited to play it
>Uhhhh
>Finished it at 25 hrs, 50 with all the DLCs and dicking around
>It's a game
>Filled with the same old bullshit, but none of the charm of the world. or lore, or secrets

I don't really get people. I mean DaS3 wasn't unbeatably bad or something, just meh. But what makes me wonder the most is how people dislike 2. It is easily the best until ER.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:17:59 AM No.714920308
>>714920202
>DaS2
>SotFS specifically
>Fuckton of lore
>Fuckton of secrets
I laughed
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:18:46 AM No.714920372
dark souls 2 doesn't have any good boss fights and the combat stinks. the weapons and world are cool but for a game thats 90% combat it sure is bad.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:19:47 AM No.714920448
>>714920308
He's right and you are gay
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:20:05 AM No.714920465
>>714919289
>Cause this time you had explicit instruction to go kill other lords of cinder to pump up your shit
But the first time you had none of that, yet you failed and weren't stopped.
>It's just right next to lothric castle, like the whole ass map is.
Lothric Castle is isolated from the whole map by the bridge, requiring the gargoyles to carry you. Firelink Shrine/Untended Graves can be reached on foot.
>Or the back of Friede's church
I do not consider that canon, it's only for the sake of gameplay. Even so, Lothric certainly doesn't have access to the Painted World.
>Go back and kidnap or kill loads of important dudes from all across history to get fuel for the fire, rather than fret over and fail at trying to genetically engineer better sacrifices
How would those be better than manufacturing new Lords? They can't know a random like, dunno, Benhart would be enough to Link.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:20:44 AM No.714920514
>>714920308
it does have secrets, that is one thing ds2 did well
the lore however is pure zanzibart
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:23:38 AM No.714920730
>>714920514
>the lore however is pure zanzibart
DaS2 is the only one with consistent lore ingame, without going VaatiVidya shit
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:25:26 AM No.714920882
>>714920465
>But the first time you had none of that, yet you failed and weren't stopped.
Last time you walked into the first flame as a normal human in the present. This time you are an ashen one called to the flame in the future. There may not even be a soul of cinder in the present version of the kiln.
>Lothric Castle is isolated from the whole map by the bridge,
That bridge was not always broken.
>I do not consider that canon,
Well isn't that convenient. You can also access the kiln from ANY bonfire once you've performed the ritual at firelink. The point of gathering the cinders is not to enable time travel, but to gain audience with the first flame
>How would those be better than manufacturing new Lords?
The fact that there are an arbitrary number of them that can be immediately accessed.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:37:50 AM No.714921797
>>714920202
DS2 suffers from the same callback problem 3 does and the whole is lesser than the sum of its parts.
In other worlds Dark Souls 1 is the better wholistic package but each individual area of DS2 has a bunch going on that can swing widely in taste trapped in a kinda janky package
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:39:30 AM No.714921945
>We'll just use anor londo again but its floating in the sky and its just the middle building not the rest of the city
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:41:00 AM No.714922063
>>714902245 (OP)
since when is ds2 beloved? most people like ds3 more than it
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:42:42 AM No.714922183
>>714902245 (OP)
I care about DS3
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:43:07 AM No.714922216
>>714921797
DS2's callbacks are more tasteful and its gameplay is better than DS1
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:46:05 AM No.714922452
DS2 playtime
DS2 playtime
md5: f2e997f5d26f35e8d32ff957201eb279๐Ÿ”
>>714922216
The callback still suffer from being callbacks
And personally DS2 is way to floaty for my tastes compared to DS1.
But its still a good game
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:54:48 AM No.714923183
>>714920202
i think a majority(read: most, not all) of ds2 haters never gave the game a real chance. just heard what their favorite youtubers/streamers said and never thought different, or got pissy because they coulddnt play it like ds1. theres obviously problems with it, just like the whole series has problems. but i pretty much dismiss anybody who just says 'ds2 is fucking dogshit'
too many people on social media, including here and leddit, cant undertand nuance and can only deal in extremes. its very tiring in trying to have a proper conversation about anything if thats all they can do.
>cuz it did nothing good!!
its like why bother replying? so i simply dont anymore
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:35:46 AM No.714925925
>>714923183
Yes it's something like that. But the reality of all of this is that not only is it good, i really think it's the best package of them all, with the most ambition and best execution.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:36:12 AM No.714925959
Belfry Gargoyles! Belfry Gargoyles!
Belfry Gargoyles! Belfry Gargoyles!
md5: 62198a77dee987756ed24336287133d3๐Ÿ”
>>714922216
kek
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:38:48 AM No.714926120
Having extensively played DS2 and ER/SoTE I don't see how they have anything in common.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:47:24 AM No.714926721
>>714926120
what about being loved by a few schizophrenic forum posters? huh?
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:50:51 AM No.714926973
>>714926721
I don't believe anyone "loves" Elden Ring.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:52:04 AM No.714927057
They went too hard on the bleak, darkness and sadness. There's no charm, no warmth or comfort, and thats the point. But it makes for a hollow experience. Like every enemy is a hyperaggressive zombie with no character.

But they were successful in "killing" the franchise which was Miyazakis goal. No one is asking for more dark souls today. DS3 only highpoint was Gale, and hes the only reason anyone ever brings it up nowadays.