Thread 714913131 - /v/ [Archived: 501 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:43:05 PM No.714913131
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What kind of stupid name is ATLYSS? Whenever I bring it up my boyfriend thinks I'm saying Atlus.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:43:56 PM No.714913196
More like ASS amirite guys
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:12:31 AM No.714915515
Incoming tranny janny
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:33:04 AM No.714916990
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new patch announced
>mystic cooldowns/cast times getting unfucked
>lethal strike on fighter getting reverted
>enemy scaling adjustments
>trial of the stars quest moved to different npc
>reverting action/support skill hotbar limitations

personally I think kiseff should've left the update alone for a bit before deciding on things to patch but I guess he wanted to address everyone's kneejerk reactions
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:12:51 AM No.714919942
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>>714913131 (OP)
atlyss more like fatlyss
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:15:08 AM No.714920095
>>714916990
Just put up experimental beta and this shit won't happen again
Replies: >>714948892
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:15:56 AM No.714920139
>>714916990
Kiseff is way too fucking fragile. It actually pisses me off more than the extremely vocal complainers
Replies: >>714920880 >>714931351
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:17:41 AM No.714920280
>>714916990
>personally I think kiseff should've left the update alone for a bit before deciding on things to patch but I guess he wanted to address everyone's kneejerk reactions
yeah, kinda
I do have to say that the Mystic numbers were definitely fucked, but everything else is probably something he should've waited on for a bit
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:25:25 AM No.714920880
>>714920139
Dudes under a lot of pressure, being a solo dev and all.
I cant blame him since he has to shoulder all the burden and working alone to build a decently sized update only after months of testing his fans patience and the whole slider nerf nothingburger drama only to be met by disappointed but vocal minority must be daunting.
Im happy hes not fully blackpilled and throwing the towel at this point.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:41:49 AM No.714922119
I just started playing, is there a way to make item pickups automatic?
Replies: >>714922330
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:44:36 AM No.714922330
>>714913131 (OP)
>Atlus fan
>being in a relationship
Good one
>>714922119
Best you can do is hold F
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:47:18 AM No.714922545
>>714916990
>enemy scaling adjustments
thank fuck
>lethal strike on fighter getting reverted
meaning the speen when jumping?
Replies: >>714923686 >>714926147
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:48:35 AM No.714922653
>>714916990
>nothing about tuul valley and the outer sanctum being unfucked
fug
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:01:34 AM No.714923686
>>714922545
lethal strike is the fighter's dash attack
Replies: >>714933679
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:05:27 AM No.714923963
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>Crescent grove 20-25
>every enemy has projectiles with massive lingering hitboxes
thanks kiseff, very cool
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:06:47 AM No.714924048
>>714913131 (OP)
If lyss and lus sound the same when you day them you need to learnt o take the dick out of your mouth before you speak
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:10:06 AM No.714924303
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>>714923963
>mfw I get pushed into a corner with 2 green mushrooms and an elite monolith
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:21:46 AM No.714925083
does this game have a super novice equivalent?
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:39:17 AM No.714926147
>>714922545
Lethal Strike was originally an active skill. This update made it a passive that changed the input to holding Dash. Apparently some people didn't like that and want it changed back?
Replies: >>714933679
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:48:00 AM No.714926772
Honestly, I want the dash skills moved to their own button again. I miss bounce being a button press instead of a hold, feel like I rarely use it since it got moved to that. He could make them their own button that doesn't require placing it at the bottom though I don't know how that would fare on controller. Also give me my wall kick back even though it was a little jank, Kiseff please.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:06:27 AM No.714927974
>>714916990
>mystic cooldowns/cast times getting unfucked
>enemy scaling adjustments
Holy fucking shit thank god. Trying to get through the lv.25 Crescent Grove with a gajillion 5000HP enemies throwing me around while trying to cast shit has not been fun. I shouldn't have to spend like 20 minutes trying to clear a single enemy room.
Replies: >>714928284
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:08:18 AM No.714928105
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>>714923963
>perfectly block the big ass stone the Demigolems throw
>put down the shield as soon as it disappears
>oops lingering hitbox! -100 HP for you
What a fucking joke
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:10:56 AM No.714928284
>>714927974
even Sturdy doesnt help because PARRY interrupts your own casts
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:13:57 AM No.714928475
How do I fish?
Replies: >>714930594
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:23:34 AM No.714929123
>>714916990
Give me 3 support skills and an actual mini map and I'll be fine.
Replies: >>714930621
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:31:18 AM No.714929602
>>714913131 (OP)
The dev for this is such a whiny bitch.
The game is in early access, any bugs caused by updates are automatically forgiven by that so why does he feel the need to cry about being sorry that something got broken.
If your fanbase decides to throw you under the bus because they made the poor decision of buying a unfinished game then that's their fault not yours.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:41:44 AM No.714930321
>>714923963
Maybe don't jump on the ride if you can't handle it...
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:43:38 AM No.714930482
>>714916990
>personally I think kiseff should've left the update alone for a bit before deciding on things to patch but I guess he wanted to address everyone's kneejerk reactions
This. Poor dumbass had a straight up meltdown over a few screeching retards being upset they can't just mash whichever key they have Flux Bolt bound to and win everything.
What else is he gonna revert? The nice new maps because they're not filled with tiktok clips every 3 steps for ADHD furfags to watch on the way to the dungeon? They're screaming about those already.
Fucking hell, most of us didn't even get a chance to run more than 1 new grove with each class and he's already reverting things complauned about by the most impulsive short-sighted tards in the playerbase. Has he forgotten his playerbase if filled with FURFAGS that aren't worth listening to?
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:45:15 AM No.714930594
>>714928475
Go to the lake in hub and buy a rod from the new png npc.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:45:37 AM No.714930621
>>714929123
You already have 4 support skills, it's just that the method of using more than 2 at a time is jank. For what it's worth, he is temporarily removing the support skill restriction. I only hope he won't cave to retards when he finally adds a proper support skill restriction and the flood gates open AGAIN.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:55:14 AM No.714931202
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i like grind and theorycrafting, is there enough to sink my teeth into between all the classes? is there some sort of endgame loop after i beat the game? and is there an item finding aspect, ie: chase items and whatnot? it looks like a good game but im not sure
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:57:31 AM No.714931351
>>714920139
Just the image I have of this hunched over greenland manlet being reduced to quivering jello any time he gets the slightest bit of criticism fills me with the greatest joy, imagine going through life being a hopelessly pathetic weenie who gets mindbroken because furries are mad their Imp's fupa got nerfed by one milimeter
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:59:02 AM No.714931429
>haven't played since January
>hop on
>go to one of the new ERP servers
>see a hot imp
>decide I am going to fuck her
>charm it
>fuck it
>it's a great time for everyone
>now every time I see her it's a fun game of knowing because everyone else wants a go with her but whines because she only gives me attention
I know, I know, it's a dude, but the scenarios we write about our silly animals and their genitals are awesome fapbait. Most doujin authors and porn artists are dudes, too.
Replies: >>714939096
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:05:12 AM No.714931839
>>714931202
>i like grind and theorycrafting
Play DFO or Warframe.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:08:46 AM No.714932097
>>714931202
It's got good fundamentals but it's early access with only 2 dungeons.
For theorycrafting, the game has 3 classes and each is meant to have 2 subclasses but right now we don't have a single one of them finished. Stats are very barebones so between STR, DEX, INT, and END, you just figure out how many of your points you want in your class stat (STR for warrior, DEX for bandit, INT for mage), and how many of your points you want in your END so you don't die from a wet fart.
The gear progression right now is mostly linear with rare exceptions. You don't really have different sets at each power level to choose from, and you don't really get multiple weapons per class per power level.
Endgame loop after beating the game may include trying to minmax for enchantments which I personally find miserable, trying to get all the items (one of them will take you ages to farm if you go for it), or just sitting around shitposting in a social lobby. There is PvP but it's not balanced and never ever will be.
It IS a good game, but if you want those 5 bucks to get you 500 hours of gameplay - you're better off waiting.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:12:10 AM No.714932328
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Based
Replies: >>714932873 >>714933006 >>714933861
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:20:49 AM No.714932873
>>714932328
>please hire me so i can make your game how i want it
fuck off
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:22:44 AM No.714933006
>>714932328
How do I drop a JDAM on someone's porch through Steam?
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:24:05 AM No.714933089
>>714932097
>Dex for bandit
Ive been dumping points into dex as a mage though I thought I was getting better crit chances, no?
Replies: >>714933668
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:25:30 AM No.714933181
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
>THIS GAME SHOULD'VE BEEN AN MMO
Replies: >>714933794 >>714933860 >>714934671 >>714947604 >>714949954
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:26:19 AM No.714933239
I didn't play since release, it is now a good time to come back or should I wait more?
Replies: >>714933480 >>714933794
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:30:22 AM No.714933480
>>714933239
Wait
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:33:09 AM No.714933668
>>714933089
Yeah, like 0.5% extra crit, lmao.
Replies: >>714934273 >>714934430
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:33:21 AM No.714933679
>>714923686
>>714926147
oh right, forgot about that, all of my selected skills were unassigned which is annoying and I presume the same is true for everyone, and when I tried to reassing them they defaulted to 5 and 6 instead of 2 or 3, don't know what was up with that
Replies: >>714938289
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:33:25 AM No.714933684
>>714932097
thanks for the in depth answer anon. people like you are the reason why this site isnt complete dogshit. ill hold off for now
Replies: >>714933882
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:35:12 AM No.714933794
>>714933181
Please kill yourself.
>>714933239
Wait at least a week. New Grove difficulty layer is suicide-encouragingly overbloated with HP and defense and a funky new system that makes like a third of your strikes either miss or get blocked and most of your debuffs resisted. There isn't even a quest for killing critters in this new grove, so you'll be earning much less XP than you should be.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:36:14 AM No.714933860
>>714933181
What does this mean? Are you asking for large, regional lobbies or more grind-heavy gameplay?
Replies: >>714933983
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:36:15 AM No.714933861
>>714932328
>tranny trying to worm his way into a position of influence by being passive aggressive
EVERY
SINGLE
TIME
Replies: >>714933969
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:36:37 AM No.714933882
>>714933684
Glad to be of assistance. Most certainly keep an eye on it.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:37:38 AM No.714933969
>>714933861
He has posted it again since that time. He's staying true to his "Every day until you like it" promise.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:37:49 AM No.714933983
>>714933860
The first one
Replies: >>714934164
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:40:27 AM No.714934137
The new open field areas kind of suck, they aesthetically look and feel way less unique and a lot more samey than they did before
Replies: >>714934502
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:40:59 AM No.714934164
>>714933983
servers cost way more than you'd think
He'd have to implement anti cheat and paid swag
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:42:56 AM No.714934273
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>>714933668
Oh awesome haha
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:45:16 AM No.714934419
>>714916990
this is the problem with one-man shows like this, if anything gets in the dev's ear then it will ultimately reflect on the game because of them doing everything alone, while that usually means a more focused product it also means enough people screeching loudly will likely fuck with them a lot
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:45:26 AM No.714934430
>>714933668
Yeah I wish there was a good reason to invest into stats that aren't HP or the damage stat of whatever class I'm using because the stamina/MP/crit chance gains per stat point just suck.
Replies: >>714935195
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:46:46 AM No.714934502
>>714934137
yeah I liked how small the previous areas were, meant that even on low pop servers you'd still encounter a few players here and there fighting mobs or moving about
Replies: >>714935101
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:49:30 AM No.714934671
>>714933181
Nah, sounds ass. I prefer having the choice of running around with just my friends thanks.
Join an unlocked player cap server and stand an ERP in the hub with the rest of them if you want, you don't need normal people as a backdrop for it
Replies: >>714943982
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:52:34 AM No.714934856
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>>714923963
>playing Bandit and just not getting hit in the first place
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:56:13 AM No.714935101
>>714934502
It all looks too similar and empty now, the area where the slimes are looks identical to where the tree and golem enemies are, same with the pigs, etc.
Before the slime area was green and wetter, the pig area was dry and rocky, the golem area had more ruins, the trees had distinct trees, it was slight but in a small world big differences.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:58:04 AM No.714935195
>>714934430
The Max MP per MIND is actually kinda alright now. That said, the rest still suck. I made a thread suggestiong an entire stat system redesign that would hopefully solve these issues, but I doubt he'll bother considering it.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:07:37 AM No.714935783
>>714913131 (OP)
I bought this on a sale months back and I'm finally thinking of getting into it. I'm a bit of a retard though so anything i should know before hopping in?
Replies: >>714937410
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:16:10 AM No.714936358
file
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kill me
Replies: >>714937157
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:20:27 AM No.714936603
considering how much of a frail whiny fuck kiseff is nowadays, i'll maybe try this game 30 years down the line when he finishes it and doesn't get sidetracked by like fifty minor things or end up spending an extra few months fixing something because one person said something slightly mean to him
Replies: >>714937068
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:28:24 AM No.714937068
>>714936603
>nowadays
Was there even anything besides his "I'm sorry" meltdown yesterday?
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:28:27 AM No.714937070
>>714913131 (OP)
Havenโ€™t played it in a few months but I heard he nerfed tits and ass so I doubt Iโ€™ll pick it back up anytime soon
Replies: >>714937161 >>714937175
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:30:04 AM No.714937157
>>714936358
I had this issue on my Steam Deck and I had to back up the steamapps and userdata folder, delete /home/deck/.local/share/Steam/, and run steam again. I assume you gotta do something similar on Windows where you reinstall the steam root folder.
Replies: >>714937845
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:30:10 AM No.714937161
>>714937070
Didnt happen, was a miscommunication turned into misinformation drama.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:30:24 AM No.714937175
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>>714937070
>I heard a rumor that...
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:35:03 AM No.714937410
>>714935783
Warrior + Chang is the ez mode class/race combo because Sturdy is disgusting (unless this recent update nerfed it), no matter what class you pick you basically just want your main stat and then HP, constantly moving around is the name of the game
Replies: >>714937726
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:35:21 AM No.714937421
>>714913131 (OP)
You're saying it like Atlyss, when it should be pronounced Atlyss.
Replies: >>714937786
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:40:44 AM No.714937726
>>714937410
Sturdy is left unchanged.
If anything, bandit is OP
>Ranged abilities
>More mobility
>Payday for stun
>Mist Veil for get out of jail free
>New Caltrops skill gives a persistent AoE while you kite them and potshot with arrows or gun
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:41:44 AM No.714937786
Foolish
Foolish
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>>714937421
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:42:42 AM No.714937845
>>714937157
I've reinstalled steam entirely and the issue persists. Might be a windows 7 thing.
Replies: >>714944072
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:49:58 AM No.714938289
>>714933679
>when I tried to reassing them they defaulted to 5 and 6 instead of 2 or 3, don't know what was up with that
patch made it so you only get two utility ability slots per hotbar now
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:50:45 AM No.714938320
>trial of stars

that shit is fucking AIDS
Replies: >>714938574 >>714938681
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:55:20 AM No.714938574
>>714938320
More like trail of tears for you.
Git gud. Even mario games have harder platforming than this.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:56:26 AM No.714938642
>>714913131 (OP)
Well it is a homophone for atlus, anon.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:57:05 AM No.714938681
>>714938320
I saw someone suggest Prism if you're a Mystic. I tried it and it works: it negates knockback, which includes all the traps.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:04:07 AM No.714939096
>>714931429
you're gay
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:22:01 AM No.714940046
I finally beat the new grove earlier. I've been waiting for a new dungeon for a while, but I don't like how a harder dungeon comes out at the same time my character is completely gimped (it was a magic-using fighter with divine and spire; now all the general spells blow). Also don't like how literally every enemy shoots like 5 times and has a ton of HP. Should have let you test out the new classes in the new hard dungeon instead of requiring that you beat it twice.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:01:17 AM No.714942143
Crazy Guy Runs Into Outback Tornado To Take Selfie
Crazy Guy Runs Into Outback Tornado To Take Selfie
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>>714923963
>golem boss does the slam attack and all the projectiles get stuck on the floor, turning the entire middle of the arena into a lime green AOE shitfest
Replies: >>714942418
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:06:33 AM No.714942418
>>714942143
I have no idea how you are reasonably supposed to deal with that other than running to the other side of the arena.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:31:18 AM No.714943718
>>714916990
>No bulge slider
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:36:52 AM No.714943982
>>714934671
And broadcast my steam account to all of them? No thanks. Worst change he's ever done to the game.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:38:35 AM No.714944072
>>714937845
Yeah Win 7 finally croaked for Steam and nothing updates now
Still funny it lasted over 2 years past the date they screeched about
Replies: >>714944173
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:40:15 AM No.714944173
>>714944072
I'm sure the brazilians and russians still using xp will figure out some sort of workaround...
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:07:29 AM No.714945613
>coomer porn game thread
>no coomer porn posting
Whats the fucking point if theres no big asses, i hate modern shills!!!!!!!!
Replies: >>714946289 >>714946324 >>714947697
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:20:41 AM No.714946289
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>>714945613
Don't worry, I'll fix that problem for you
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:21:26 AM No.714946324
>>714945613
jannies will use the pics as an excuse to nuke the thread
Replies: >>714946565
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:26:23 AM No.714946565
>>714946324
and i will love them for it. the furry dev and all you trannies can kill yourselves with 0 loss to humanity
Replies: >>714946616 >>714946647 >>714946961
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:27:22 AM No.714946616
>>714946565
Just for that I will live one more year.
>:(
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:27:58 AM No.714946647
>>714946565
BROWN
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:34:00 AM No.714946961
>>714946565
no need to be rude anon.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:47:39 AM No.714947604
>>714933181
Would be dead and desecrated in a year like most live service games.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:49:38 AM No.714947697
Jules peace
Jules peace
md5: 18a1414a2bd59cbb865101fbdc378e62๐Ÿ”
>>714945613
Alas, jannies hate-boner put a stop to that.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:14:32 AM No.714948892
>>714920095
It's early access. It IS the experimental beta
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:34:23 AM No.714949870
>>714913131 (OP)
You wouldn't get nt.
Atlas.
Hnlds jp te wmrld.
Bnnny, niceness, random, cute, good.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:36:17 AM No.714949954
1721959483390851
1721959483390851
md5: 70d2c76828b1e4dd6a92c09b4ced389f๐Ÿ”
>>714933181
no.