Why is cheating frowned upon in online games?

I don't know what a fucking 'Cronus' is

>completely undetectable!
>let tell the whole world about it!

anyone who takes shooters on a gamepad seriously is retarded

what's a cronius, does it make pro gamers less faggoty

>>714920256
usb stick that lets you run custom scripts like autoaim

You're honestly a cuck if you don't cheat in online games, losing a match literally lowers your T.

>>714920501
nigga console fps already has auto aim

>>714920256
greek titan of time. he's trapped one of the eternal immortals to help him cheat. utterly arkadian behaviour

>>714920191 (OP)
The same reason why it’s frowned upon when white ladies cheat on their tiny white pecker husbands with brown alpha males

If you have to cheat to be competitive you are a total bozo.
If you cheat and you're still not competitive you are Chinese.

>>714920556
how brown are you anon?

I think cheating at console game is perfectly acceptable. It’s not like they’re real competitive games like on PC.

>>714920590
That's frowned upon? wtf

>>714920256
>>714920478
It's a controller level aimbot, it gets information from the display and uses a small motor to control your analog stick.
>>714920381
Since it doesn't interface with the game code anyway and is physically doing the aiming with the analog it is quite literally undetectable unless you physically inspect the controller internals
>>714920616
90iq take tb.h
The point of online game is to have fun. If you have fun playing without cheats, that's within your right. However some people will have more fun playing with cheats. You don't need other people to kneecap their experience for you to enjoy your experience.

>>714920590
Angry seething browncel.

>>714920191 (OP)
Because it ruins the experience for everyone else in the match, as you have an unfair advantage over your opponents

>>714920191 (OP)
why would you have to make it visibly undetectable in an online game?
How is a controller that executes scripts even 'undetectable?

>players cry nonstop about cheaters and how they're ruining competitive games
>turn up by the millions to watch shit like competitive Counter Strike which is basically just a showcase for the newest cheats

>>714920191 (OP)
>"haha time to enter that tournament with this bad boy and get easy money"
>sorry, you cannot bring your own controller and can only play with the controller provided here
there btfo forever, as simple as that

>>714920256
Boogeyman virus from like 5 years ago

>>714921037
Shouldn’t it be theoretically noticeable in that the controller is taking display information for some reason? Or at least I don’t get why a controller is being supplied that data to begin with.
Directly controlling the stick is some next level shit though goddamn.

>>714920569
nigga i hear you like auto aim so i put auto aim in your auto aim so you can auto your auto whilst you're aiming your aim

>>714921312
See
>>714921037
It's not messing with the game or operating system in any way, literally the only way to catch it would be through manual footage review(and even then it's incredibly subtle because it's still physically moving the analog to aim)

i thought only pc players cheated

>>714920191 (OP)
lmao
even cheating on consoles is unintuitive

>>714921305
>Because it ruins the experience for everyone else in the match
No, it doesn't.
>as you have an unfair advantage over your opponents
That doesn't "ruin the experience" for anyone with any amount of emotional intelligence. If the only way you can enjoy competition is by winning, then you have the emotional disposition of a toddler.

>>714921475
erm actually
CS is hard core and for PROs only
git gud, scrub

why is my multiplayer experience filled with shitty people? I don't understand!

>>714921627
more of us, for sure. China and Russia are entire countries that cheat in everything. Meanwhile, it's more annoying to cheat on console so less people do it (do you think the majority of consolekeks know how to solder?)

>>714921585
It's not the controller per se, it's the small device that's sitting inside the controller. The controller itself isn't doing anything out of the ordinary, the cheating device is parallel to it.

>>714921740
>If the only way you can enjoy competition is by winning, then you have the emotional disposition of a toddler
So cheaters then?

>>714921740
If the only way you can enjoy competition is by cheating, that makes you an unskilled faggot

>>714921627
it's funny how many consolers think this and avoided pc specifically because of it

>>714921929
GIT GUD

But I'm 2010's quirky so I'm going to add
>yes, chad.jpg
To pre-empt your reply

>>714920191 (OP)
>Why is cheating frowned upon
How is this even a question unless you don't know what cheating means?

>>714921850
Sure, but the display data is still going over that USB (or bluetooth) connection. I just don’t understand why that’s being sent in the first place.

>>714920191 (OP)
Honestly easy solution to this, don't allow competitors to bring their own hardware. They have to use what is provided. They don't like it, they don't play. Honestly, this should be the case regardless. Standardized systems, standardized peripherals, no bullshit variables.

>>714920616
Chinese gamers are so fucking dogshit at vidya its no wonder they cheat in them.
In nightreign for some reason i get chinese randos despite having global matching off and theyre HORRIBLE

>>714922125
You'll never git gud with the cheating crutch

>>714921037
>You don't need other people to kneecap their experience for you to enjoy your experience.
>person cheating completely ruins other player's experience
No. I think I actually do. Go play on a cheaters only server or something.

>>714921881
The cheats themselves are fun, the fact I will probably beat you is incidental.
>>714921929
Good thing I don't tie my self worth to how skilled I am in a completely useless activity like playing video games.

>>714921475
that's all fps games, niggas even cheat in valorant with hardware shit like in the OP to bypass their kernel anti-cheat

>>714920191 (OP)
Imagine still playing multislop in 2025

>>714922206
All this gayass shit about cheating can be solved with what you suggested. They don't want to fix the problem. All the "top" players are cheaters. It would ruin the organizer's reputation.

>>714922482
>Go play on a cheaters only server or something.
That would defeat the point.

>>714921037
>it is quite literally undetectable
recording and uploading footage of your own malfeasance tends to render it quite noticeable!

>>714921037
>However some people will have more fun playing with cheats. You don't need other people to kneecap their experience for you to enjoy your experience.
Kill yourself nigger. If your idea of fun is ruining the experience of other players and playing with an unfair advantage via 3rd party means you're a genuine unfiltered 100% all natural nigger.
>>714921740
There's no competition if one party is literally cheating you fucking mutant. You should spend some money on a rope to hang yourself with instead of on cheating at a video game.

>>714922206
Isn't like 99% of the sponsorship of this garbage about selling peripherals to retards? If you standardize all of that dies.

>>714921037
>It's a controller level aimbot, it gets information from the display and uses a small motor to control your analog stick.
A Cronus is only for remapping your controller, using controllers from other consoles, and running scripts/macros to press buttons for you (in other words perform perfect combos). It can't read any screen data or be used as an aim-bot, etc.

>>714922802
>falling for bait on blue /b/

>>714922970
then have the sponsers loan equipment to the venues.

>>714920191 (OP)
>twitter snip
>WHY IS CHEATING ... BAD?
this is a real thread?

>>714921037
doesn't this mean the controller has to be connected to the monitor or gpu in some way.
What's so special that this device is inside the controller?
It could be just a dongle. Hiding it inside the controller only would make sense if you could use it at an public event.

>>714922970
You standardize via sponsored teams using peripherals provided by those manufacturers. That or the event is sponsored by those manufacturers and the teams all use the same peripherals provided by them. It's not complicated.

>>714922802
>If your idea of fun is ruining the experience of other players
It's not "ruining the experience" of anyone who is playing to have fun regardless of whether they win or lose. As for those that have the attitude of a petulant child and can only have fun if they're winning, they are ruining their own experience because of that attitude. You will lose roughly 50% of the matches you join, they will have a bad experience on those losses and most of them will have no cheats going on.
>There's no competition if one party is literally cheating you fucking mutant.
It is still a competition. The same rules apply and the players are trying to win. Adverse situations can make competition more fun even

>>714923136
mentalgymnastics.jpeg
impressive shitpost though desu

>>714923127
Who is going to pay for hundreds of thousands of dollars of hardware for every single event?

>>714923136
Ok, brownie.

>>714923136
>losing 50% of matches
That's a double digit IQ thing. High IQ people are generally used to winning 80% of their matches.

>>714922482
>It is ruining the other player's experience
Maybe git gut? Lol

>>714922138
It's definitely a question faggots who think literally everything should revolve around themselves think. Basically only contained by laws from murdering and robbing people in broad daylight. These are faggots who
>try in get in a backed up exit at the very front
>leave shopping carts in a parking lot to just roll around. MAYBE put them on the curb
>just drop trash where they stand
>etc
Basically they do everything non-dogshit humans frown on but is extremely unlikely to have negative consequences unless someone records them to try and drag their name through the mud.

>>714923208
>>714923261
I graciously accept your concession. I hope you were able to find enjoyment in this conversation even though you lost in the end

>>714923317
You too, ma'am

>>714923136
>take a motorcycle to the Tour de France
>win
>wtf why can't everyone I beat enjoy this fair and even and exciting competiton?
If you think adverse situations are fun, do it to yourself faggot. Use a non-modded controller in a mkb lobby for some exciting adversity.

>>714922802
Whites got their position of power through cheating, retard.

>>714921305
One of the funnier gaming memories I have is encountering a cheater in a Mario kart Wii lobby, granting himself items. He was very inconspicuous at first, it took a little while before I even suspected. It just fired me up even more to keep beating him because it became entertaining watching him crack and eventually just spam star and mushroom all race long. More memorable than any other lobby I'd been in for that game.

then make the organizer of the event provide the controllers so no cheating can occur. Anyways, "esports" is a complete joke for fags. Imagine caring about or watching other faggots play games instead of just playing them yourself.

>>714923316
>>leave shopping carts in a parking lot to just roll around
This is actually based behavior though. If no one puts away their shopping carts, then the supermarket will be compelled to hire extra workers to retrieve them. For a moderately sized supermarket this could mean 4 or 5 extra jobs for low skilled workers. If you put the shopping cart away, you are basically performing charity work for a corporate entity to the detriment of your local community.

>>714920191 (OP)

>why do people not like being treated unfairly in a competition

WOW IT'S A FUCKING MYSTERY

>>714923586
>4 or 5 extra jobs
lmao they're gonna make one 16 year old do all of it and pay him minimum wage

I bought the game so I’m going to play how I want it. I don’t give a shit about anyone else. They didn’t pay for my game. I’m going to cheat while everyone else can suck it the fuck up

>>714923703
Absolute fucking this. Your fun is not my problem you fags, especially if you keep on willingly buying slop.

>>714923586
Someone has to bring them back into the store anon. The job is to gather carts black leave around and then bring them in mass

>>714923703
only child syndrome

>>714923782
>Someone has to bring them back into the store anon
Well, yeah. You can either do it for them for free or they can pay someone to do it for them.

>>714923317
Whatever you say, brownie.

>>714923780
but... you bought the slop too

>>714923780
You bought it too, retard

>>714923947
>>714923979
Yeah, and I found a way to have fun with it

>>714923703
Lol ok brownie

>>714923947
>>714923979
>being this retarded
Please never reproduce you absolute fucking shitheads, holy fuck hahahahahahahaha.

unless anti cheat technology gets a big leap

I have a feeling multiplayer games will die in the foreseeable future

Statistically you will have at least 1 cheater in every match you play (12-30% cheating rate for competitive FPS)

>>714923926
it's a courtesy to other shoppers :^)
they will always have cart catchers at stores
broken window fallacy

>>714923703
>>714923780
And this is why I play on console.

Cronus is really good for plugging in controllers. Low latency, programmable, supports almost every type of controller. Unfortunately the cheating scandal fucked that up. Fortunately I'm not a console gamer

>>714921740
>losing doesn't ruin anyone's experience
>That's why I cheat to make sure either never lose
;^)

>>714921037
>faggot logic

>>714924095
you can't play online on pirated games
you bought slop, i don't get it
you self-owned yourself then posted spongebob

>>714924228
Anon look at op. This isn't the time for indians to defend playstation

>>714921475
>shroud is a cheater
big if true

>>714920590
okay vince mcmahon

>>714920256
This tool

>>714920191 (OP)
>PS5
What's there to cheat? Buddy has to let his controller pretend its playing games.

>>714924228
>he doesn’t know that he’s playing with PC crossplayers & Cronus users
You’re retarded

>>714924228
>>714924260
>continuing this retardation
This is why I don't get tired of you absolute coping fags, keep on replying to me I love it.

>>714924496
what

>>714920256
It's a USB thing that allow you to use different controllers on different machines, but you also have a Macro function or script function.
I use mine to play PS3 games with a Xbox Series X controller.

>>714924269
>mention consoles
>PC vegan starts seething
Yeah

>>714924656
Saaaar you pc vegan are cheater. My chrono device is real!!

>>714924451
*turns off PC crossplay*
>>714924496
You're crying actually.

>>714924692
Have one final (You)

>>714924804
Saaaaar you are not brahim like me!!

Why do cheaters get so mad when called what they are?

>>714921037
>gets information from the display
Won't they see you plugging something into the display?

>>714924729
>*turns off PC crossplay*
>gets no lobbies
I know you didn’t turn it off, faggot

>>714924940
I get lobbies just fine sweetie.

>>714923136
This has to be bait. I refuse to believe someone could be lacking in self-awareness this severely.

>>714920879
nigger there is far more hackers on any PC game than console
I could easily download simple wallhacks or autoaim for CS2

What's the point of playing if you're going to cheat? Waste of time. You could just watch a youtube video and imagine it's you. Same result, you did nothing.

>>714920191 (OP)
Sports and competitions aren't about who can win. They're about who is the best.

>>714925239
Controllers have aim hacks by default

>>714925258
Insecurity. You'll always see some cope they make up about it but the answer is always that they're insecure.

>>714920191 (OP)
people who cheat in games and then brag about how great they are at that game are the scum of the earth

>>714925280
Whatever helps you cope

>play vr shooty game
>tdm
>theres a faggot that is clipped into the ground running an aim bot
>opponent team can't do anything
>team with the cheater can't have fun pew pewing
It's anti fun for both sides

I stopped playing multiplayer games because Zoomers cheat so much.

>>714925502
The aimhacks help consoletards cope yes.

>>714925258
Because I like killing mfs better????? It’s like asking why do people drink coffee before work??? because they wanna do their job better and not fucking fall asleep???? fucking retards
>>714925367
Sounds like projection because you fail to realize how simple the reasons are. Sorry that you’re an insecure beta male faggot

>>714921627
Consoles were just cock blocked for several generations.

I like cheating when it's just griefing pubs. Cheating to win is gay.

>>714920191 (OP)
Marvel Rivals has EOMM https://fuxiailab.github.io/EOMM/ and individual hitboxes / hit chance for each player, all "to boost player engagement" or whatever so blatant cheating like this one is completely fine if game was rigged from the very beginning.

>>714925739
Whatever helps you cope, PC vegan.

>>714925742
malding
you're not killing anyone a computer is

i don't get why consoles were set up with aim assist by default outside of singleplayer
the point of playing multiplayer is to test yourself and git gud not to always win

>>714925776
https://nos.netease.com/mg-file/mg/neteasegamecampus/art_works/20200812/202008122020238605.pdf

>>714925742
Yeah there's that insecurity.

>Only play single player or co-op games
>Immune to cheaters

>>714921627
Consoles just have better marketing about it. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo will tell you all about how their PAID online features are safe and secure even if they're not.

>>714925602
Whenever cheating comes up as a topic I always remember this game of BF3 where some slavshit on the other team dropped my whole team the second the game started. I just didn't understand what he was getting out of it. He literally did nothing but waited for the team to respawn then just did it again. What's the point?

>>714923228
>hundreds of thousands of dollars of hardware
nigga what?
the sponsor would fork out like 50 mice/keyboards, which would be enough for everyone to both practice and compete on with spares for potential breaks or giveaways
even at $500 each (way higher than what it actually is even retail), that's only $25k, which is nothing for a sponsorship

>>714925792
Yeah it's dumb. I just turn it off in every game. It doesn't help.

>>714922165
It doesn't need the direct display feed, it just needs to be able to poll the system and read the video buffer memory. From there an appropriate script knows how to identify that you're playing X game, and follows instructions from there.

>>714925870
>co-op games
>immune to cheaters
So you don't actually play co-op games then lmao; cheaters are a massive problem in them
You can't even play a L4D game anymore without at least one cheater

>>714925920
>slavshit
Pretty much sums it up. From what I've gathered, it's OK to cheat if you come out on top according to their culture.

>>714926136
He could be playing co op with friends

>>714926242
And they are cheaters too.

>>714926314
This. I’m a friend that cheats but doesn’t tell anyone. I use triggerbot btw so they dont notice

>>714926242
same argument could be made for pvp games next retard

>>714920191 (OP)
Maybe design games that make this thing obsolete? What is this thing even doing anyway, if console FPS games already have aimbot by default because for whatever reason, console FPS games try to mimic PC FPS aiming style

>>714926354
>play pvp game with random people
>they give no fucks and cheat to screw people over and get number 1
>play with friends irl
>friend cheats in a match against you
>kick his ass next time you meet him then laugh in his face because his cheats didn't help him now

>>714926354
coop games require a fraction as many people which you veto better

>>714921475
Amazing game sense, good thing he did that mouse shake or I would have thought he just locked onto that guy's head on purpose

>>714926514
>because his cheats didn't help him now
>he's roided as fuck and rips you a new one

>>714926565
>thinking video game cheaters use roids
You in some fantasy land, buddy?

Why would it matter if it's inside the controller if it's undetectable?

>>714926634
roids are literally irl cheats

>>714926687
It also shrinks your balls

>>714921627
lmaoooooo
there were hacks for fucking halo 3, they called it 'modding' because console kids didn't know the difference.

>>714921475
Dude they play the same fucking maps for thousands of hours.
They play against each other and time/count the seconds it takes to reach certain parts of the game, they know literally where you are to a certain degree of certainty purely because they have calls from the rest of the players on the map telling them where you aren't, and its a reasoning via deduction.

Also if you really want to argue, n0thing who played with shroud etc has said multiple times that when offline, when training, they actually install wallhacks to study where people will be in real matches.

Like, it would be like saying you're wallhacking if you slow down your car turning around a blind corner "omg how did you know a car was coming?" motherfucker i didn't, i just fucking predicted it and was right.

That guy in Na'vi though did fucking cheat because eastern europe just can't help themselves.

bitch nigga

>>714920616
So true fucking pubg chinks u used to be able to hide behind a tree and grenade then, because they'd just keep shooting the tree

>>714926736
So do aimhacks

>>714926639
Idk. Maybe anti competition thing? It's like a game of hiding their sex toys I guess.

>>714920191 (OP)
>running auto aim scripts on console
>nothing changes

>>714925776
>>714925850
Posting this in a bot thread.. kinda wasteful of time y'know?

>>714921563
That's how it should be, for fighting games too. End these abomination controllers ppl bring, just get good on official controller

>hardware vendor selling programmable extra buttons, macros, and other things marketed for PRO gamers
:O
>enthusiast modding their own hardware with automation
>):<

>>714926996
>le soijak poster posts facetiously for attention

>>714922970
Then event just buys a new mouse and kB that you use. Better use stuff that is still sold

>>714926996
I like my mouse that let's me macro a LMB spam, okay? It's better than getting carpal tunnel because of dumb game UI design.

>>714926824
Well thread is about online videogame

>>714921037
Stfu retard

>>714921475
lmfao the mouse shake

>>714927334
kek

>>714927241
True. I guess it gets around software level anti hacks but there's really no reason to hide it in the controller. Then again, maybe there is because the kernel level anti cheat can see an odd usb drive connected and running scripts where as if it's part of the controller, it won't notice it. It's similar to how some cheats use a secondary pc to cheat for them.

>>714921037
The copes from cheaters are always wild. Their ego is way bigger than their skill and they just can't tolerate losing to people they think aren't as smart and special as them

why would you let anyone bring in anything custom, dumb shits obviously this is going to happen
>BUT BUT MY SPECIAL CONTROLLER
boo hoo nigga, stop cheating

Cheating in multiplayer competitive games should be a criminal offense.

People that do it should be arrested, and companies like Cronus need to be gutted and their executives put in jail

>>714926087
The "video buffer memory" IS the display feed, retard.

How the fuck is a controller getting the video buffer? You think the console is sending it over Bluetooth?