The most slept-on class in Nightreign
>TFW you realize you can parry before the cursed sword drawing animation even ends

only transgurls play Elden Ring though. it’s pretty trans core imo

Sheathing the cursed sword also deflects. Put it away during the last hit to seamlessly go back to your actually-good weapon to retaliate.

the skill ceiling is high, but here's the issue, and its simply a core issue with Elden Ring combat.

you have a certain amount of "time" to defeat the boss or w/e, (especially on Nightreign) playing Deflect Sekiro is fun, but it is ultimately a waste of time, jump stabbing does plenty of stagger damage and guess what, it also does damage.

all the dilly dally shit you can do in Elden Ring isn't as good as just piling on damage, because of the actions per minute you can do.

>have a friend who loves fromsoft games
>play a few matches with him in nightreign, was fun but he wasnt very good
>he says hes busy now with work
>see his playtime on PEAK going up
how do i stop PEAK from stealing my friend? I tried it but its utter dogshit

>>714928236
But that's the point, you don't dilly-dally at all
You parry with the sheethe/unsheethe animation and then you attack with your actual weapon
It's actually faster than dodging

Nah, he's pretty shit. These days unless i see one dual kat bleed fagging and ignoring his abilities then even bird bitch is better.

The base sword needs better scaling.
The big attack needs easier gains (blocks, attacks)
Parry is pretty weak all things considered
the hard modo pauses showed us just how shit big dog is. it really needs a rapid heal while active or something because it's just not simply strong enough to "hold" for calmer boss phases

overall while he is fairly bad it's more he is just plain outclassed.

>>714931608
You can get a heal on roar and then spam roar

>>714931870
It's still an issue that he ult is basically reserved for revivals instead of doing damage to a boss when it's Nightlord time.

Executor and Guardian both suffer in this way. They need -big- buffs.

>>714931968
I find that if I spam roar until I'm almost out of time and then use the special holy claw thing that takes you out of the transformation I can reliably outdamage most other ults without being killed by the boss

>>714932114
Or you get bad boss RNG and get smooshed.

I have mastered every class. I play Executor and Guardian least because they're the most limited

>Worst skills
>Low tier ults
>Outclassed by Raider/Wylder in all cases

Guardian needs to have charged Guardcounter on EVERY weapon and Executor's Suncatcher needs a lot more damage or to charge the glowing state WAY faster.

>>714931870
>>714931968
Even not saving it when you fight the amped nightlords unless you get insanely lucky with mitigates and don't have a better char to pool them on the wolf form has a fuck huge model so you can literally dodge an attack and still get it. cracked centaur for example when he does the rain if there's a perfect dodge to not hit on the exit i never saw it.

and then when you consider everyone else above him who don't have handicaps, do insane stagger/damage, and higher survivability just makes playing him pointless unless you're trucking friends through easy shit.

It's funny how every thread is full of people whining about guardian and executor being liabilities yet every match it's the ironeyes and the duchesses dragging the team down

>>714926362 (OP)
No shut up, it's good he is slept on. We don't need an abundance of retards trying (and failing) to parry everything

>>714932835
Same as it ever was with "just don't get hit lmao" types. They get hit.

>>714932835
it's sometimes easy to overlook just how much duchess or ironeye is actually doing
with ironeye in particular, if you're wondering why miraculously enemies are staggering and poise breaking more, it's because he put his mark up
if you're wondering why enemies seem to be dying faster, it's because ironeye does consistent damage that's easy to overlook

same with duchess and restage/dagger attacks

>>714932835
That's easy to explain though [300 hours, platinum trophy, comfortable with all classes and over 2k hours in Elden Ring reporting]

Duchess is the highest skill floor and one of the higher skill ceilings. Most Duchess players don't understand Restage and don't know how to use Finale to the utmost advantage.

Ironeye is the opposite; having the lowest skill floor and skill ceiling. Retards are attracted to him magnetically because bad Ironeye players can still feel like they're contributing to a fight even if they're plinking the boss from the 80% dmg dropoff range and good Ironeye players contribute shittons without even trying very hard [reliably proccing mark staggers and skillfully using his ULt to revive or stop dangerous boss behaviors can be clutch]

>>714932835
both are way squishier. if you die on birdfag you should uninstall. he just doesn't do anything.

>>714933125
don't forget one last aspect of ironeye that sets apart idiots from the competents, knowing when to get right up next to the boss and use bow R2's or when they could be doing more damage with a good melee weapon

>>714933128
and then there's raider, who's just as hard to kill as bird, but actually does damage

>>714933285
He's -way- harder to kill.

Everdark expeditions should always have revive start at 3 bars, no wending grace or free revive for solo players.

>>714933359
a lot of people will tell you the heal overtime flask is shit but if you have a good damage negation buffs you basically become immortal and can ignore boss moves. raider is actually nuts.

>>714933627
raider with flask heals over time and flask heals allies is peak teamwork

>>714933359
holy shit they brought back the dragon asses

>>714933854
it's more like gaping dragon 2.0

>>714933854
Yes lol. On crack.

>>714933884
No it's 100% a Shulvan Imperfect Dragon on Roids

>>714926362 (OP)
the parry window is incredibly generous its almost a second feels like

>>714926362 (OP)
The skill ceiling is higher than the majority of characters except for Duchess and MAYBE Revenant.
He is held back by his poise and stamina in order to deflect everything which is where the ceiling comes in.

His passive can only be intentionally triggered with Sepuku and his ult is the only ult in the game that can kill you. He's a mess, but a god damn fun mess.

>>714928236
It's faster than rolling when done correctly and it builds stance damage too. Executor is theoretically the best character if you play it perfectly

>>714934071
Ironeye who dodges attacks purely through mark and avoids other attacks through positioning is still the best character if played perfectly

what are some noob trap relics?
is FP on hit any good or 3+ weapon class equip gives attack?

>>714934069
revenant is just trash all along, don't lie to yourself with the "skill" cope. that bitch does fuck all. no good weapon, shit spellcasting, shit spell loot tables, no spell recovery, the three stooges that do fuck all and die instantly, and an ult that vaguely "makes you invincible" until you die because it's just an expensive revive for your teamates.

>>714934243
FP on hit is worthless
3+ weapon class is good on wylder if it's greatsword or raider if it's colossals

>>714934363
i probably wouldn't use that unless it came on an already great relic. ive def had games where i didn't 3 of one.

>>714934363
>>714934446
u jelly? I love Duchess and am very skilled with her.

>>714934530
Hp restoration on hit is completely useless anon
if that was a post-damage relic it would be okay, but this is just murk

>>714934530
i run poison/frost so to have that i'd have to drop my post-damage attacks evergaol relic which AINT happening

>>714934732
Anon, you can stack it with a bloodborne relic. Like this one. Duchess literally wants to spam attacks more than any other class. Literally one of her better relic rolls is "spam atack lots for free restages"

I'm not perfect yet but that dagger relic is incredible when stacked with a dagger restager and post-damage hp restoration.

>>714934346
You can do some nice shit with Revenant. Sebastian is reliable taunted + reviver even when you're dead.
Fredrick is a fantastic guard breaker and platform.
Helen is...damage???
It's all about the summoning and unsummoning to bail your dudes out of huge aoes.
With your ult especially your guys can end up guard breaking bosses consistently with good timing; well everyone except for Helen of course.
With the highest faith she can throw destructo disks for HUGE damage and use the various incantations to heal herself after using her ult to heal everybody else.
Her passive is bonafide useless, and helen... God damn she does okay damage but there's really nothing that wows you with that summon. She aswell as executor needs some tune up though.

>>714932302
>I have mastered every class. I play Executor and Guardian least because they're the most limited
These two statements contradict

>>714935159
If rev refilled 50% FP when her summons died, she'd be fucked up good.

>>714926362 (OP)
>Deflecting makes solo too slow
>Boss will never aggro on you because you're not attacking
>passive is literally useless unless you have Sepukku
He needs a rework. Suncatcher could have a Shabriri's Woe effect built in and should have a way to deal more damage, like scaling with your current weapon or dealing an unique status effect, I dunno, these could even be relic effects
The point isn't to make Executor broken, I just think he and Revenant are severely underpowered compared to the others.

>>714935159
>With the highest faith
about that: Recluse has the same faith as Revenant and doesn't run out of FP
she also benefits more of using incants with different damage types to allow her to use triple-combos

>>714935289
No they don't. Both are focused on survivability and both have low tier DPS compared to the other melee Nightfarers. Wylder/Raider outclass them -objectively-

>>714935323
>Revenant
>running out of FP
Thank you for informing the thread that everything you've said should be ignored.

i think executor is fine

>>714926362 (OP)
People still play this?

Game is massively sexist for making female characters weak.

>>714935396
nta but how do you reliably recover FP on her?

>>714935301
IMAGINE, but I'd just take a better Helen any day of the week, if we're getting our wishes answered.
>>714935323
Finite FP is only a crux if you're only using the most expensive dragon incantations. Two starlight shards and a cheap spell is all you really need with her. She's not her main thing, her summons are what's BIG about her and proper usage of her two summons is what's going to get you a good time.

>nightlord is 1-hit
>me and other phantom are down
>executor purposefully stalling
>3 minutes of this faggot deflecting (still eating shit several times) so he can "aura-farm" YT/tiktok clips
>pretending like he solo'd the boss
I have never had more disdain for the PvE fanbase than this game.

>>714935637
You don't -fucking- need to. You should know where and how to get starlight shards and save them for when your party is having a hard time as well as the final boss.

Every time you kill a boss you refill to max FP again. Curate a good seal and use some melee and ghosts to bridge the gap in your FP and the boss' HP.

>>714935378
objectively huh

>>714935758
I have never experienced anything like this, and I've played for over 150 hours in random lobbies. Why do you think that the actions of one idiot somehow reflect on the playerbase at large?

Executor's biggest asset is just the fact he starts with a bleed weapon which enables his dumb meta poison/frost/bleed/evergaol build. His passive is effectively worthless unless you run seppuku which is a meme, his deflect stance is only really useful in the early levels like fighting evergaol double nox cunts / alabaster lords at lvl 2 and royal revenants but once you get some levels and +2 weapon you never use deflect again especially because it removes weapon buffs and the deflect sword doesn't build status. His ult is either very busted against certain bosses but against nightlords they tend to just stance break and fuck you up so using ult is mostly for max HP recovery+finisher that doesn't even guarantee stagger like ironeye, wylder or raider ults.

>>714932835
For me it's the recluses and revenants who are always first to three bar and usually die within 10 seconds of being revived. I don't give a shit how little damage guardian does, if you're not even alive you're doing even less than him.

>>714933125
I think I know how to use restage correctly but I don't see how finale is useful for anything other than reviving three bars

>>714935825
that's the thing though: Recluse can actually USE the FP hungry incants
they can just open with a frost or rot breath and spam until applied

>>714926362 (OP)
The draw and sheath animations themselves are parries.

>>714936171
>Large i-frames so you can ignore boss super attacks
>Breaks tracking attacks like Erdtree Avatar projectiles or Death Rite Bird's homing orbs
>Totally prevents the boss from targetting the whole party directly, making a skilled party not even have to dodge intentionally targeted moves
>Makes multi-boss fights WAY more fair for a brief moment
>Can be abused to sneak past overworld enemies and sneak loot without getting bullied
If the boss doesn't get fuckin' SLAPPED for 20+% of it's HP when you use Finale, you either used it wrong or your team sucks. Finale is very very very good if you use it right and understand that Restage is so good that if it restaged 4-5 seconds insteads of 2 it might even be Ult tier

>>714926362 (OP)
Okay but he's black

>>714935159
well you're-
>and platform
excuse me what?

>>714934071
>Executor is theoretically the best character if you play it perfectly
Nope, still Raider.
Nonpareil.

>>714937012
>>>/wsg/5899950

>>714936030
because its one of the many reasons why they're faggots, faggot. Kind of like stealing loot that can only possibly benefit another character before even reading it

>>714937221
doll vin diesel's family is amazing

>>714937369
And that's what Nightreign of the elden ring series is all about: Family.

>>714934071
Ultimately it's not as fast as Ironeye dodging and repositioning in a single move or Wylder simultaneously dodging and attacking by abusing 2x greatsword jump attacks.

>farum azula beastmen gaol
>godskin duo gaol early
>tibia mariner (not hard just boring)
>duke spider (without gimmick item that gives shit on kill)
gonna kms myself

>>714928617
Your friend is based, nu-Souls is trash.

>>714934069
Webm made me lose my shit, thank you. Is there a higher quality version around?

does anyone do the invasion camps? too much time investment for just a purple weapon

>>714928236
>the skill ceiling is high
Executor has the longest fucking parry window of any Souls game ever

>>714934243
Ultimate art charge +1 (it adds like 0.05% passive charge during combat)
Most raw stats

>>714938601
And Nightreign has the worst peer-to-peer lag of any Souls game ever

>Skill ceiling debates
>People are trying to claim the class with the most iframes of any souls ever, the guy with the best parries of any souls ever, or the infinite range/mana ranged characters are the most skill based
The fuck is wrong with you people. When did Crutch = Skill?

The hardest characters to play well are Guardian and Wylder. Guardian because he sucks, and his block does fuck all and is often just ignored by AoE attacks that just barely get around your shield. Wylder has mobility with his hook but apart from that hes as normal as you can get for a souls character. Ironeye sits a mile fucking away from bosses as does Revenant and Recluse, they are never in danger. Raider has giant poise and HP as well as a free ignore all damage ability on a piss short cooldown. Executor has the most fucking generous parry ever, which you can literally hold for up to a second of free invincibility with NO cooldown whatsoever. And Duchess is the most casual fucking class of all, with a dodge so broken if you get hit you must be mentally retarded.

Shit thread, shit takes, 0/10

>>714938956
Sounds like a you problem

>>714934243
Its easier to list the stuff that isn't shit. Character related abilities in most cases are good. +dmg on gaol kills is meta. +sorc/inc damage (i.e. carian, crystal, ect when stacked). +dmg on a specific weapon (i.e. bow) is good. Then some niche things like heal on block/ult on block (works for both guardian and exec parrys). But thats pretty much it, the rest like stats, on hit +hp/fp, ect are shit.

>>714935108
>no evergaol
>no stamina on hit
>sacred blade
>no status
doo doo ass relic set

>>714939506
>no status
every relic that buffs your starting weapon is dogshit. I'll drop the sacred blade buff ASAP but that's my best Restage bosting relic in that color.

Buffing your starter wep is a CLEAR sign of a shitter.

>new content drip is over

game is officially dead now. Give it up.

>>714940068
grab hoarfrost or blood blade you dumb shitter

>>714940186
4th quarter. Duos are in the making. Trust the plan.

>>714940186
so what do i play now, death stranding 2? its fucking over man

>>714940186
Nothing will ever be as bad as when during mists of pandaria everyone was stuck fighting garrosh for an epoch

>>714940186
You really think they aren't going to make super versions of the other half of the bosses?

>>714928236
You can't always jump attack, the parry's use is niche because given there are 2 other players you will always have time to attack with real weapons, but when a boss is glued to your ass and you have no time to breathe it's better than what every other character can do

>>714935378
Just because you suck at videogames doesn't mean everyone else does.
Executor is the highest potential dps char in the game

>>714931608
The dog is an incredibly versatile tool that while maybe doesn't have the instant feedback of a Wylder fireball really fleshes our your toolkit
1/ it's absurdly efficient mob clear
2/ it bullies the majority of field and night bosses by stagger locking them and pushing them into a corner
3/ it's a free revive assuming you have the healing roar
3.5/ the healing roar can also be used to babysit retards through the ring
4/ counts as a free sippy due to reseting your health
5/ can still be used to interrupt bosses with the ult finisher
6/ can function as a boss bruteforce if its on low enough health since you have near infinite poise and a bag of health
7/ lets you straight up skip some map segments for a faster boss
that's all that comes to mind immediately, but I'm sure there is more
Just because it has a bit of nuance due to the large hitbox it burdens you with doesn't mean it's not a very good ult

>>714938997
bro really deluded himself into thinking the best character in the game is hard to play

>>714938601
It's not about the parry, it's about weaving the parry into combat in a way that's not a liability
Objectively he has more to think about during a boss than most other characters

Just played a match with rotted woods and the upgrade in the woods was marked from the beginning, was I playing with cheaters? They also had a shit ton of wending graces. Is there a glitch I'm not aware of?

>>714942503
Sometimes if there's a fort near the rotting woods but not actually IN the woods, then collecting the map clue can add the favor's location to the world map without needing to go to the redmane one deep in the forest.

>>714942758
huh alright. the wending graces though? they each dropped four no way that was legit

>>714942895
yeah seems sussy

>>714942046
>highest potential dps char
hahahahaha

>>714944553
Executor has the highest 1-5 second burst and then gets promptly overtaken by all the S tiers
it's what makes him a day 1-2 curbstomper

>>714942445
No, and you're fucking retarded for even trying to pretend that is remotely true

>>714942385
>best
Subjective
>hard to play
Nothing is hard to play but you dumb faggots brought up skill and then Executor in the same sentence, you deserve to be called retards

>>714945056
>bro revealing he is a midwit by being incapable of speaking in relative terms
Let me guess, can't imagine what you'd feel like if you were rotating an apple in your head either?

>>714945010
not an argument sis

>>714945143
>Ad hominem after being BTFO
I accept your concession

>>714945206
>Ye bro its so hard!
>You go cursed mode and then get a piss easy parry that can counter anything, causes massive poise damage, and then press R1 while losing 1/1000th of your stamina!
>Its so hard bro trust me sometimes I even switch back to my other weapon which also gives me massive parry frames as I do it!
I put in your language ESL, now post again to prove you're retarded.

>>714945206
>>714945143
>Butthurt executors trying to pretend their class is hard
Lmao

>>714945310
wait so is executor good or bad make up your mind

>>714945310
The weapon switch deflect frames are much lower, sis
Which means if you actually want to form a meaningful offense as executor you have to be intellectually superior to the ironeye and raider brainlets you are teamed up with

>>714933125
>Duchess is the highest skill floor and one of the higher skill ceilings
Having a utility skill and ult doesn't make her hard. She's got the best dodges in a Souls game, she will never be difficult to play

>>714940186
>>714941546
they are, they've already announced them
but it's gonna take at least 3 more weeks, since they've announced the rotations for those already

I'm just waiting for the duos, wish they'd hurry this shit up. How hard can it be to just scale everything differently? It's not like solo has any significant changes.

>>714950676
The weirdest part is duo scaling already exists. It’s extremely obvious when one person leaves.

All they need to add is option to start a game in duo mode. Although hopefully only for private parties, or if random matchmaking fails to find a 3rd after a certain timeframe. They shouldn’t pollute matchmaking even further by having seperate duo and trio ques for every expedition.

Duchess is my wife. That is all.

>>714938207
no he's a filthy causal that got filtered

>>714945057
duchess helping her brother/husband

Doesnt the activated L2/LT attack for Suncatcher count as a deflect attack too?

Do "improved [weapon] attack power" relics stack with each other?

>>714952461
It does and doesn't. It can prevent damage like a deflect, but it doesn't seem to count toward charging up the sword. I'm actually not sure it counts as a guard at all.

the game is too easy now that every rando just runs the same meta paths
I wish day 1 and 2 were more difficult in general

I like Wylder. With his full char skill kit he feels the most fun, and his parries (buckler) are more meaningful.

>>714946963
>pressing a button at the right time makes you intellectually superior
This is literally you

>>714956931
You don't just have to press the button, you have to pre-emptively know to press it instead of your regular deflect, a barrier to entry that your average Wylder couldn't ever fathom clearing

>>714953126
Needs more variety and randomness. Probably one of my most memorable runs was when margit invaded us while we were fighting a black blade kindred on top of the castle, and then we had to run away and jump off to fight margit + a few random crucible knights at the bottom

>>714940186
nuh uh

>>714932835
wylders usually drag the try hard classes kicking and screaming

>>714950676
I guess the problem is that they would have to add a new matchmaking option?? I wouldn't mind if it were just limited to private matches though

Is there a more RNG nightfarer than Recluse? The run literally hinges on finding a catalyst that doesn't have meme spells only.

>>714928617
Every Nightreign game is a 40 minute time commitment with maybe 30 seconds of downtime every 15 minutes. It might just be too much for him to fit into his schedule.

>>714932835
The problem with both is their dps is actually excellent but because its spammy over big hits the squishy dps classes tend to draw more boss aggro

>>714960325
Revenant as memes make up a bigger percentage of incantations than spells

>>714932302
Guardian is a two-handed shield class. The halberd is a red herring.

>>714926362 (OP)
nope the most slept on class its guardian until they buff it and make it retard proof also functions like a mmo tank aggro

>>714938303
Sadly I'm in the same boat as you. It's impossible to find the OG with sound. You can't even look it up using @ShoYouMomo since all that leads to is some dragonball fighterz channel.

>>714933216
>don't forget one last aspect of ironeye that sets apart idiots from the competents
Don't forget the "star with bleed" relic. It's fucking insane on Ironeye but shitters dont have it.

>>714960325
nope thats revenant that also need mana refill items

>Dancer appears
>Throw out holy flamethrower, our Guardian's got aggro, right?
>Nope, Dancer smacks me and stops the spell
>Everyone goes down during Dancer's spin2win
>My wending grace procs
>And then I go down literally one second later from her continued spinning
Fuck you, Sulyvahn.

>>714936171
It completely breaks the boss's AI. The best duchess players can use it to skip phase changes entirely

>>714961690
Revenant is weird because she's RNG dependent based on the boss's weakness.
>Fire weakness
You're basically going to be kitted out for free every game.
>Lightning weakness
You need a smithing stone and to hunt a bit for a gravel stone seal.
>Holy weakness
Pray Golden Order Seal drops.

>>714938997
Anon you got a definition issue; skill ceiling is how good a character can become, not the minimum skill you need in order to play well with the character. You're probably meaning skill floor.
For debate Guardian is a low skill ceiling, low skill floor character. It's very easy for him to be able to do his job which is tanking everything with his superguard. As long as Guardian has some way to taunt the boss he is doing his job in a multiplayer setting. He doesn't have much potential for skill expression as his ult is just good for support, his skill is good at farming. The only part of him that really shows some genuine skill expression is his use and understanding of his superguard. This in my opinion is why it requires slightly more skill to get the most out of guardian than it does for say ironeye, but not someone like Duchess.
Solo is a different story entirely, but with the patches you have a ton of lives to figure shit out with.

>>714962092
Duchess has it worse if the enemy's weakness is lightning.

>>714962207
If guardian is low skill floor why do the majority of people seem to have no fucking clue how to play him and project the idea that he's bad because of that?

>>714962573
Despite Guardian having a low skill floor this is still a dark souls game. People are going to have problems no matter what character they're going to play.
He is for the most part free for the first two nights, but when the third night comes in, and you're babbys first day guardian, then you're going to have a hard realization on a number of things: his guard counter won't hit most bosses; despite being the tank the boss isn't more inclined to attack you than say the ironeye who hasn't stopped attacking since the first second; elemental damage is chip damage.
A lot of the problems that people have with Guardian are fundamental; if you try to play shield guard counter tank with any other character you will face the same exact issue. With Guardian people feel like they're expected to tank, but it will end with them chasing the boss and immediately eating shit because of not understanding the overall game. This makes Guardian a good character to learn the game, but if you have the knowledge already; he doesn't require much to pick up and play.

>>714961719
>our Guardian's got aggro, right?
He would've if "blocking increases aggro" actually activated an effect on all nearby enemies just by holding your shield up and not by actively blocking attacks. It requires you to already have aggro in the first place to make any use of it.