What's your take on the "video games are addictive" argument?

@everyone Guys the twitterman is speaking

I don't see why it's any different than reading books, watching movies, listening to music, or watching TV if you're not a brain dead retard who gets addicted to anything.

>>714942184 (OP)

>>714942184 (OP)
>What's your take on the "video games are addictive" argument?
that they're entirely correct
video games were a mistake

>x dot com (formerly twitter) thread
can't wait for this to get 300 replies as this board goes to shit
here's your (You)
>>714942184 (OP)
sage (not that this will do anything)

>>714942184 (OP)
>a little too tidy
oh fuck off
>recognized by who?
me faggot. this pretentious cunt can fuck off. i see mfs like this shitting on video games, telling people to stop playing them because they're "cheap dopamine" or some other retarded shit
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/N4T360y_bac

you could say the same shit about movies, shows and books. it's entertainment you faggots

As someone who is an actual drug addict, no they are not even close to alcohol or drugs or porn.

I can't think of a single video game that I can't stop playing. There would have to be some game that you can't go a day without playing, for it to be addicting. You can maybe go 1 day, but you get extremely agitated and NEED to play that game to feel normal.

Video games are not addicting. They are escapism for people who can't handle reality. There is a big difference. If video games are addicting, you would miss your graduation, or the birth of your own child to play games.

I have 1000+ hours in WoW, and I would not consider that addicting. It's a fun game, but it's not even close to drugs, alcohol, or porn.

If you think video games are addicting, you don't know anything about addiction.

Video game addiction exists and it's an unique issue. I don't think that's arguable, you can just plainly observe it.

But there are healthier ways to consume vidya just like there healthier ways to consume books or movies.

Don't use games as a time sink. Don't waste 2000 hours shiny hunting in Pokemon, it's not fucking worth it.

Everything is addictive. Caffeine is addictive. Alcohol is addictive. Chocolate is addictive. Spicy food is addictive. Instagram is addictive. Porn is addictive. Shopping is addictive. Gambling is addictive.

But for some reason the only thing that's "problematic" is the thing that men like. Nobody is going to talk about banning Starbucks, or imposing limits on online shopping, because those are things girls get addicted to.

>>714942184 (OP)
Anything that provides an easily accessible positive feeling can become a coping mechanism if you have a shitty life.

>>714944835
What kind of porn are you watching where you'd miss your graduation just to keep watching it?

>>714942184 (OP)
I can lift and play video games at the same time.
I can also play an instrument, fly a plane, play a sport, or anything else.
Git gud.

>>714942184 (OP)
Phoneslop is infinitely worse. The design of the smartphone is inherently geared towards habit-forming behavior, yet people accept that as a fact of life. No one is going to preemptively put their phone away because someone is trying to quit, they're going to ask them why they're not on the normalfag instant messaging service.

>>714942184 (OP)
why can't the left meme?

>>714942184 (OP)
I really don't think vidya addiction is as prominent as people make it out to be. I think these freaks who play WoW or League for 9 hours straight without even standing up to go take a shit are extreme, mental outliers

>>714942184 (OP)
>lift
>no ding ding ding
>give up

>>714942184 (OP)
>tw*tter
/v/ is a Threads board. Thanks.

>>714942184 (OP)
>_____ are _____
If you are making a claim, it's on you to provide evidence. It's not on me to prove you wrong.

They don't seem particularly addictive to me, everything I play gets old eventually. Porn was actually evil though. It took so much effort to quit it even though I hated wasting so much time on it.

>>714942184 (OP)
Didn't read

>>714942184 (OP)
I wish games were addictive again. They're overdesigned to be as addictive as possible and it has an inverse effect making them far less so than previous generations because they simply become unsatisfying and unpleasant to play. Compare Diablo 2 to Diablo 4, the dopamine hits are so far apart compared to the former why even bother. I think there's some serious inbreeding among design consultants because its pervasive in every modern game with all this casino rigging under the hood to stretch payoffs. Even in multiplayer games they hamfistedly shove shit like mmr in when its not and was never necessary because they think if you get the carrot on a stick of a good game too soon you wont keep playing.

>>714942184 (OP)
Not reading that twitter garbage but I'll never understand why "addictive" is supposed to be a positive description of any game. They literally put "addictive gameplay" in official ads for games, it's fucking stupid and makes gamers look like morons. Imagine a cigarette or alcohol company putting that word in their commercials, it would make no sense.

>>714942184 (OP)

>>714947032
Stop ingesting and smoking video games and maybe you won't get addicted retard.

You guys claim to hate twitter garbage and low effort slop posts and then you keep fucking bumping this thread. God this board is so fucking dogshit. Sage.

>>714942184 (OP)
Anything is addictive to a person who loses control of their lives. We should seek reasons why they are addicted not deem games addictive.

>>714942184 (OP)
I'd say people are more addicted to flashy progression mechanics than the games. These are games that people genuinely hate having to play every day but can't quit because of the time and money they invested. Even pursuing achievements or high scores doesn't make players as hooked as this.

>>714945181
vidya and porn addiction are nowhere near substance addiction that physically change your brain

>>714945453
Absolutely this. And at least vidya makes you feel rewarded, using your phone for hours a day just makes you feel frustrated and burned out. Smartphones are pure cancer.

>>714942184 (OP)
Self-Help Gurus will be the first against the fucking wall.

>>714947396
Thanks for the AI input.

be sure to use the code "VGAMESSUX" to get 20% off his next lecture too bros

>>714942801
You're usually not getting much out of a game that can be applied elsewhere. That's not the case with books, assuming you're reading the right books. People just reading as a sort of status symbol these days and the vast majority of what people read is slop, same with film. Most of every form of media is garbage, the gems are what elevate the genre. As much as I love video games, I haven't seen any gems that reach the kind of artistic or pragmatic heights some other media has shown.
But with all that said, video games are entertainment, it doesn't have to change your life or feed you intellectually, you can't be grinding all the time. The only problem is that too many people use it as the only way to pass the time. The same applies to social media's infinite content scroll.
Ultimately I think it's a failure in parenting and the management

>>714942184 (OP)
did he consider that real world sucks so hard now that theres no reason to participate anymore. video games are just a symptom not a cause.

>>714942184 (OP)
failed normalfag thread
rape and kill op alongside his ilk and not specifically in that order

>>714945731
thats a flag but still not a problem unless they're literally shitting their pants but you know what people in extreme sports even just long distance cycling shit in a diaper. high achievements requiring extreme dedication is a fact of life.
addiction is the level where if they go without they'll have withdrawals because their body can't function without it

just fyi this is a parasite thread that started on /pol/
OP is a faggot
as usual

>>714947878
>Shitting their pants
Someone post the webm/video. You know the one I'm talking about.

>>714947998
You will never be a woman

I could beat that guy in a fight

>stuck on level 1 for 5 years and only got to level 2 once after 2 million attempts
this game sucks

>>714948062
Kek

>>714942184 (OP)
Every game that is addictive is a multiplayer game, and the reason they are addictive is because their real life counter parts are also addictive, but require so much physical strain that you can't do them forever. Once you can do them forever, basically every dude just defaults into playing sports/games all day until they get horny enough to do something else to have sex. If you could have infinite sex with beautiful women trivially, no dude would do anything but play games or do sports all day.

>>714942184 (OP)
Yes, I like feeling like I'm doing something.
Real life doesn't feel like I'm doing anything other than work. Most people in my position would take up the drink or what have you. My vice is video games. Trying to apply "I should do this in real life" doesn't work when progress is intangible and at times random, unless of course you include Gacha into the formula. But I refuse to entertain Gacha, it is impure and evil. It's why I don't entertain relationships either. I hate microtransactions, and women are microtransactions. Sometimes even macrotransactions. Inexcusable. Fuck the jpeg gender.

>>714942184 (OP)
They're not on their own, but the industry is trying their hardest to make them that way. Constant pressure to keep playing and constant events and fomo mechanics built into modern games to make young people not want to take meaningfully long breaks from them or pursue other things.

"Video Game Addiction" has little to do with games innately, but its an industry problem that's praying on kids while games as a medium takes the blame. And psychologists who write about it don't actually play games, so they dont know this.

Wanting to escape reality is addictive because we're made reality so fucking depressing to be in.

When literally every form of escapism becomes "Addictive" you might need to ask questions about why people feel the need to escape so bad.

>>714942184 (OP)
Breathing air is addictive, you should stop

>>714942184 (OP)
I don't think you should the same word for actual chemically addictive stuff (stuff that is so bard that if an alcoholic just stops drinking alcohol he'll die) and stuff that people enjoy doing.

>>714948062
>act like a bot
>surprised that the system is filtering you out
India-kun...

>>714949983
>sorry you're trying too hard so we're gonna shadow ban you :) do keep subscribing to our paid monthly service though!

>>714947605
>That's not the case with books, assuming you're reading the right books
this is the same kind of non-arguement that people think means something, but it really doesn't.
literally everything can be "applied elsewhere" if you narrow it down to "as long as youre reading/playing/watching the right ones".

>Music
you learned the alphabet through the ABC's song. Rhythm is a great learning method to drill things into your head
>Books
99% of the stuff people read for entertainment is worthless, and at most you could say it builds your vocabulary; unless you go out of your way to read something educational, but lets be honest, you're not reading educational material like a textbook for "entertainment", you're reading it to learn
>Video games
Everything applied to book can be applied here. want to learn vocabulary? plenty of games have large amounts of text like VNs. want to learn something like a language? plenty of games offer interactive ways to do so in a video game format.
There's a reason plenty of school had kids play games like "math blaster", because plenty of people learn better with a hands-on approach, which is what video game excel at as it is an interactive media
>Movies
Again, like with books and games, the vast majority is schlock; but there is still plenty of educational material out there. Documentaries, historical films, recreations, etc.
Like how video games are interactive, movies aid the visual learner. You can take the informational content of a book, and put it into a more digestive format, and digest it in a quarter of the time, as well as get more indepth looks than what you can get from a page in a book.

TLDR; books are just as much of a waste of time as every other media. just because you "can" benefit from it, doesnt mean you will, and the same is true for all forms of media.

>>714942184 (OP)
i haven't played vidya in weeks. but not by choice, i just stopped playing unfinished games and all the games i like are extremely unfinished.

>>714942184 (OP)
Npc tier way of thinking
>level up at the gym
I hate normies but normies who think they are smart are the worst kind

>>714942184 (OP)
I have an addictive personality. My entire family has addictive personalities. I have like seven WILDLY alcoholic relatives per generation. I've played thousands of hours of games. I can stop for weeks and be fine. If this is what "addiction" feels like then people are fucking pussies.

video games are fun for me but not addictive. it's a real effort to fire up that battlestation and sit there and play through a game. even though youre just sitting there, youre doing a virtual activity, which translates to real stress. so even though its fun its also stress inducing. i still like to game but i think something like watching youtube anime and browsing 4chan is much more addictive because its more passive and relaxing.

>>714942184 (OP)
everything can be addictive, I wish games were more addictive. I wish I was addicted to games instead of porn.

>>714945181
not him but I've been late to some slightly less important but still life-relevant things because I was cranking the hog; job interviews, dates, actually getting to work on time, visiting family gatherings like a reunion... It always made me feel awful but I kept thinking that being 10-15 mins late wouldn't be that big of a deal, and then that's when I'd actually bussanut and start rushing to wind up an hour or more late.

>>714942184 (OP)
Addiction implies you can't quit without negative side effects due to chemical changes in your brain requiring the addictive product.
You can see it with gambling where some people waste their entire life savings just for a quick fix.
Video games get boring when played too long and you'll usually drop them for something else without any side effect.

>>714942184 (OP)
Self help gurus have been a disaster for the human race.

>>714944835
He knows they're not, he's trying to appear smarter and wiser than he really is.

>>714947270
Do you think he wants to talk about what makes people bury themselves in gaming or do you think he wants to appear as the voice of reason/intelligent to a bunch of normalfags?

If you don't ingest, digest or inhale it's not addicting.You can't get addicted to non physical things jesus christ fucking retards

>>714952093
That's not addiction, that's just using porn as an excuse to be lazy. Procrastinators will use anything to postpone something they don't really want to do, that doesn't mean they're addicted to whatever they're using to procrastinate.

>>714947605
>You're usually not getting much out of a game that can be applied elsewhere. That's not the case with books, assuming you're reading the right books.
I've never understood book supremacists. It's just a story written down instead of acted out or interactively played. There's nothing inherently more educational about it. Unless you're reading a fucking history book or something.

>>714952608
Books = I am very smart
Movies = I am very mature
Games = manbaby omg

>sure i can help you improve your life it will just take 12 payments of $99+tip per month

>>714942184 (OP)
Always a guy who spends countless hours on Twitter saying this crap. I'm going to enjoy hobbies I actually care about like gaming. Improving at fighting games is just as valuable as improving at a musical instrument or chess (itself a video game mostly nowadays, technically). Enjoying a great RPG is better than watching most TV shows or movies. More casual multiplayer games are great ways to spend time hanging out with friends shooting the shit. Games aren't a waste of time unless you're playing bad games or pay-to-win mobile garbage designed to waste your time.

>>714952804
The real waste of time is the internet and social media including this hellhole

>>714947605
>You're usually not getting much out of a game that can be applied elsewhere
Getting good at StarCraft or Counter strike is really no different than getting good at playing an instrument.
Building a Redstone computer inside Minecraft is probably actually a worthwhile use of your time (though admit that the vast majority of people aren't doing that).
>That's not the case with books,
Nigger, all books are slop. Unless you reading a textbook which TEACHES you something, you are wasting time.

Everything else you said is silly and gay and pseudo intellectual crap.

>>714952849
True.

>>714952294
Gambling addiction says otherwise. But in this case it's designed to be addictive.

>>714942184 (OP)
blah blah its cheap entertainment to keep you busy in a shitty world.

>>714952804
It's probably easier to get a job playing videogames than playing an instrument.

>>714953096
Could be. Depends on what type of job I think. Being a pro gamer is still rarer than being a pro musician. Even if you're not playing for a major band or orchestra, there are small bands and a lot of studio musician jobs. You can always be a music teacher. Far fewer options to make money playing games. Game testing, professional gaming, streaming, not sure what I'm missing.

But it probably is easier now to make money streaming yourself playing games than playing music.

>>714944835
>they are not even close to alcohol or drugs or porn.
One of these are not like the others
And if you're going to count that then it's absurd not to include video games as well
>If video games are addicting, you would miss your graduation, or the birth of your own child to play games.
You REALLY don't know what you're talking about

>>714942184 (OP)
some of them are intended, designed, and tweaked to be as addictive as possible to maximize engagement and shareholder value. don't play those games.

if a game exhibits too many of these qualities, or doubles/triples down on making them as extreme as can be acceptable, consider finding a new game.
>fomo mechanics with limited time shit, that can't be acquired in a very reasonable timeframe
>if you are getting repeatedly pissed and losing just enough progress to be genuinely pissed but not enough to force you to strategize, run, this is an extract game regardless of mechanics and is objectively poisonous
>anything incentivizing ranked over social playlists in terms of progression
>anything time locking mechanics but offers a way to pay in
>gacha, not even once

there are more. this is by no means comprehensive but is a good start.

>>714953329
I genuinely don't see which one you think isn't like the other. Are you mad he compared alcohol to drugs?

>>714952608
It's old media, boomers prop it up to shit on the youth since it's more of "their time" than other newer media forms. Even if they were around for when computers were developed.
You have to remember some of this is genuinely boomer propaganda and agenda. It's not logical.

>>714942184 (OP)
No one is playing Pac-Man, Dig-Dug, or Donkey Kong.

>Video games are addicting

Then play more of them, why isolate yourself to a single genre?

>>714942184 (OP)
>level up
Usually these morons' vidya knowledge ends at 1985 with Mario but I don't think this one made it past 1981 with Ultima

>>714942184 (OP)
They aren't and /v/ is living proof of that.

>>714944835
maybe that's just you. there are people spending thousands of dollars on shit like candy crush. how is that not an addiction?
some games are specifically designed to be addictive and some countries are starting to regulate that.

>>714944835
shut the fuck up you dumb faggot. Taking a few pills doesn't make you an arbiter of knowledge on addiction. I've been addicted to heroin and found it less addicting than certain games.

>>714954181
There is no level of depravity people won't rationalize for drugs. Drug users will try and drown their kids and it'll be fine because "DRUGS BRO," but let a gamer try and kill himself and the fucking games have got-to-go.

>>714942184 (OP)
This guy is a weak faggot promoting the gym in his bloated word salad. What he's really saying is spending your time playing video games doesn't benefit Israel (yet).

>>714942184 (OP)
they are somewhat addictive, but so what?
video games did not ruin society, feminism and DEI policies did
getting rid of video games isn't going to fix anything, the white men you need to run your society are just going to turn to other things, like reading books, or playing cards for example
and even if you point your guns at them, you won't be able to force them to fix your society because there's no reward for them, they'd rather die than save you from this doom of your own making

>>714942801
It's different because in those activities you are a consumer and in games you participate

>>714942184 (OP)
they are addictive, anything can be addictive. addiction is an adaptive response to trauma. it's not videogames fault, it's probably the fault of the very people complaining about people playing games for making a reality so horrible that people need an escape from it

>>714942184 (OP)
Feels like everyone is a grifter nowadays

>>714942801
It goes on a scale
>Books
Heaps of both expression and comprehension, respectable and objectively enriching hobby, as even the trashiest books imaginable actually do help the human brain.
>Music
Pure expression, respectable hobby
>Movies
Has expression, but starting to become consumption. Somewhat respectable depending on material
>TV
Has expression, but is pure consumption. Non-respectable hobby, people call it the idiot box and boob tube that's harming society
>Vidya
Some expression, but ultimately just set dressing to pure pastime consumption. Not only that, but it tries to present itself as a worthwhile challenge, or that it's an enriching experience to learn how to beep boop the buttons to dodge the zombie on Level 4, leading to a lot of impressionable youths getting their sense of what's important and what's accomplishment hijacked. Without this, it's a detestable hobby, but with it, it's an insidious hobby.

>>714956242
Clarify how reading a Tom Clancy novel is better for my brain than spending the same amount of time playing Factorio

>>714942184 (OP)
>men have nothing worth working toward
>blame men for there being nothing
Ok

>>714956242
Yeah this is fair.
Im 36 now, so I had some time to think about my relationship with gaming.
I had a shit youth and because of some bad things happening at a bad time, I fucked up some important tests, the rest of the year I was "up there". So I got send to a school below my level, got bored, got a paper route and got my challenge and satisfaction out of games. Fucked up school and fucked up work for a pretty long time.
Have a family and own a house now so it did turn out for the better now, but I didnt have matchmaking and other addicting shit like battlepasses and when I hear some co-workers talk about how their kids are walking the same path as I did, its kind of scary.

Shit like fortnite is pure fucking cancer for children. Its shocking how we are alright with it that our kids play addicting shit like this. Its tweaked to a science to get adults hooked, let alone children who dont have a developed enough brain yet to know they have to stop for today.
Its insane there are no regulations for games aimed at kids

>>714942184 (OP)
Wet clothes cause rain
Also I wish games would be addictive but they're too shit

i dont listen to niggas with a blue checkmark
get a real job faggot, even streaming gacha games provides some value to someone, posting on twitter for money is the lowest of the low

>>714942184 (OP)
Games today are rarely ever good enough to be truly addictive. The last game that made me want to skip my daily life just to keep playing it was Frostpunk, that was half a decade ago. All other recent games just don't hold my interest that much.

>>714956242
>as even the trashiest books imaginable actually do help the human brain.
lol

>>714956242
>as even the trashiest books imaginable actually do help the human brain.
People who say this don't actually read books. Books and TV shows and movies are capable of being just as brainless as videogames.

>>714942184 (OP)
>Why aren’t the tax cattle working the wagecuck jobs and signing up for divorce rape?

>>714954595
Some games, sure. The issue is when retards try to claim ALL games are equally addictive. Burning thousands on gacha jpegs or playing competitive slop for 12 hours a day trying to become good is on a different level from playing a single player game for a few hours after work and putting it down after finishing the story. One is comparable to drugs in how it ruins your life and the other is a completely reasonable hobby, no different from reading books or watching movies/tv shows.

>>714942184 (OP)
Some videogames are intentionally designed to develop compulsive behaviour. Video games in general aren't addictive. /v/ doesn't play videogames anyway.

>>714942184 (OP)
The most pseudo intellectual take on it yet.

>>714945104
Caffeine, Alcohol, Chocolate, Spicy Food, Instagram, Porn, Shopping, Gambling, Starbucks
all these things have something in common - money, you have to keep buying them and making the owners rich
with gaming you can buy a game for 10 dollars and play it for a thousand hours, and that's a bad thing because it's not fueling the economy

>>714958723
>Books are as capable as being as brainless as video games
This is objectively not possible. It's well documented that any form of literary work does infinitely more to push the wheel of comprehension, even with just the basic level that human beings understand language. The exception would b--OHHHHHHH, okay. I see. You're one of those retards that relies on picture books. Yes yes, for you, you might have a frame of reference to call, erm, "books" a little bit brainless. I'm still proud of you though, anon. Soon, with the books you're focused on, you'll learn mind-blowing things like how cows go moo, or how everybody poops.

>>714942184 (OP)
working out is pretty much the only thing you can apply the video game mindset too IRL
in the gym, the results you get are directly proportional to the effort and time you put in. getting a job or making more money or finding a partner that you can be happy with aren't like that
I'll stick with video games and occasionally work out to stay healthy, sorry society

>>714945104
I also find it funny that videogames need to remove any kind of fanservice because it's somehow bad and offensive, but at the same time twitter and instagram are filled to the brim with "cosplayers" who post soft-core porn and promote their onlyfans non-stop.

>>714959909
Are you saying women should not have jobs, chud?

>>714959576
yeah the corporations realized this. id say around the time of crysis. thats why no game has topped it technologically. if they release a game too good, you can play it forever. thats why they shifted to gaas. why games suck ass. its designed that way so you dont get gems you can keep forever and keep buying slop. thats why it seems like games all devolved and downgraded in terms of tech compared to the golden era, crysis, hl2, etc.

>>714956242
>as even the trashiest books imaginable actually do help the human brain.
With that logic every woman and fanfiction-fujo would be Einstein by now.

>>714960090
>With that logic every woman and fanfiction-fujo would be Einstein by now.
Oh no. Who's gonna tell him.

/played
>You have played for 389426 hours
you're not addicted though

>>714960143
>not even 5% of hours in 90 years

>>714942184 (OP)
Social media is 10000x worse.

>>714960090
i tried watching the movie series and couldnt finish it. it really is a sex fantasy. every man she comes across is handsome as hell and all try to hit on her / rape her.

>>714942184 (OP)
>"Dood you should totally do this in real life and fulfill your real dreams!"
>can only think of going to the gym and lifting weights

There's something incredibly sad about that.

>>714960131
>Reading explicit scenes of a guys fist going inside woman's rectum makes your brain bigger.
Your dick bigger at most if thats your fetish.

Video games as a whole aren't addicting, but there can be practices that compulse people to play. Dailies being one aspect to always engage with the game. If the game is multiplayer, it makes it so people compete with one another, even if the game doesn't have PvP. Players will still compete with obtaining the best gear or clearing new content first. Then with a network of acquaintances they know from the game they all propel one another to keep logging in hours into the game.

If you look at more classic video games from the 80's and 90's, generally you'd play them then you get to a point where you game over. Depending how much you've played you'd either play a few more times or if you got far into the game you'd either drop the game for the day or play it once more. Games had a more defined stopping point rather than hook a player to perpetually play. Even with arcade games.

>>714956242
Look at this, this is what peak midwitness looks like, putting entire mediums on scale instead of the works within each medium is dumb.
A deep strategy or simulation game with emergent gameplay affords far more self-expression and intellectual stimulation than the vast majority of books being by people, what was the last non-ficion book you've read?

>>714942184 (OP)
>rewarded by who
their own brains you fucking retard, the process of understanding the system and tackling it and overcoming it is inherently enjoyable to men
there are not "real life levels" because real life is a complete rng fuckfest where the vast majority of the time other people are in control of the outcome you want. in the game it is you and the game system, you are in control of the outcome you want because the game system doesn't change
what good does working out do me? i don't give a shit if i'm ripped or not, the only reason i would care about being ripped is the outcome it helps result in from women. note the word helps, you are not in control of it, you are still at the whims of everyone else.
video games have become increasingly prevalent in part due to the fact that the guaranteed outcomes society promised everyone, and used to give everyone for the last century and honestly the last probably 7000 years, are no longer even close to guaranteed, and there's then no guarantee on top that you get to keep it forever if you win at all.
also working out and video games, or movies or anything else, is a retarded comparison. working out is a brain off activity, which is why it is difficult to do so often and for so long because people get fucking BORED man. playing a game actively needs brain engagement most of the time. not saying it's requiring extensive algebra or anything super intelligent, but it needs your brain to at least be actively watching and thinking and making decisions. same for movies and shows, some are slop to turn your brain off, some are stimulating enough to pay attention and think. if it didn't, it wouldn't be popular.

>>714952103
>Addiction implies you can't quit without negative side effects due to chemical changes in your brain requiring the addictive product.
No it doesn't.

>>714942184 (OP)
>social media
>trash TV
>click/rage bait journalism
>...axually video gaymes are the culprit

Absolutely no patience with these autists, video games are a relaxing distraction, and no, i dont want to read Marcel Proust after a tiring day at work.
If he was talking about MMOs or gacha i could see a point, vidya in general, no

>>714952103
>gambling addict switches machines when he stops winning on one
>gamer addict switches games when he stops getting dopamine on one

more like "Just In Young" am i right?

My girlfriend reads books all the time, fiction and nonfiction, and I recently had to explain to her why she probably shouldn't operate electrical sockets with dripping wet hands.

>>714961207
If I can just drop something and have done so many times without ever feeling like I *need* to go back to it, then it's not an addiction, it is/was an enjoyable activity.

I FUCKING LOVE VIDEO GAMES

>>714942184 (OP)
that he's right, God I wish I didn't waste my youth playing vidya like that

>>714961569
That's not what you said.
You said addiction requires you to be physically dependent on it.

>>714961963
NTA, but I would say the two things are closely related.
The addiction doesn't come from nowhere, it's your brain wiring itself in a certain way in response to the addictive substance. Anon mentioned gambling so it's not necessarily something you physically inject into your body.

>>714942184 (OP)
This nigger has no appreciation for artistic expression and appreciation.

>>714956242
Kill yourself pretentious fuckwit.

>>714942184 (OP)
Everything that distracts you from work should be treated as a disease.

>>714961207
Yeah not all addictive things have a withdrawal reaction like alcohol or some drugs.

>>714962498
>just work 24/7 for Mr. Noseberg goy

>>714944835
>If video games are addicting, you would miss your graduation, or the birth of your own child to play games.
THE KING HAS YET TO BE DETHRONED

>>714962560
Yes, that's the idea. That's the natural order of things.

>>714942184 (OP)
I thought videogames were addictive for a long time but I had severe ADHD and problematic behavior with everything in my life. The only games that are actually addictive are MMOs or maybe competitive games as a service titles. If you find yourself playing single player games to an unhealthy degree you have other mental issues. I'm fairly certain it is because I had ADHD because the behavior is present with things other than games and has been present from childhood to adulthood and explains why most my male family members ended up in prison.

>>714942184 (OP)
"So is coffee."

>>714944835
As someone with ADHD who did drugs I can say I had more problems quitting soda and games than I did hard drugs. You never know how other people are going to feel about things.

>>714962498
I know you are shitposting, but it sucks to see people who seem to genuinely believe in this and try really hard to sell the idea such a life will be fulfilling to anyone who isn't a complete NPC. It's the kind of shit you are supposed to grow out of after your teenage years but here we are.

>>714942184 (OP)
in the sense that most cool things are addictive

Pic related.

As far as games that you get value out of:

>Minecraft, Factorio, Satisfactory, Word Factori
These are no different than playing with Legos.
>Crusader Kings, Age of Empires, Civilization
Gets people at least slightly interested in history, teaches some form of strategy
>MMOs
Social skills to some degree, and team coordination if you're in a late-game guild
>Cultist Simulator, Undertale/Deltarune, That Dragon Cancer
A game with a good story is no different than reading a book

But again, as a reminder - only weak men are influenced by the opinions of others.

>>714942184 (OP)
How are they addictive when I only play a few hours of video games a week?
the rest of the hours ares spent making a game

>>714962879
Listen, only the people at the top really matter. Everyone else exists to serve them. If you don't submit, they're just going to replace you, like you would replace a broken part in your car. The only way to survive is to embrace the system, and your place in it.

What I want to know is why ambition is put on a pedestal so much. Why is it so bad if a person gets to a certain stability in their life (a job, a home and food in the cupboards) and then just stays at that level? Why is it forbidden to settle?

>>714963023
I agree, but with emphasis on the word "survive".
That's survival, not fulfillment, which begs the question of why would you want to survive other than raw instinct.

>>714962498
If working hard makes you rich then some African woman carrying a water jug on her head for 20 miles daily would be the richest in the world

>>714956242
only mentally ill people read books anymore, anyone telling you anything different is either coping or just trying to sell you on bullshit

>>714963103
>which begs the question of why would you want to survive other than raw instinct.

Because it is our purpose to serve. It is the only reason our existence is tolerated.

>>714963240
It's not about becoming rich. No, the people at the top need to stay where they are, and so do the people at the bottom. It's just about fulfilling your place in the system and justifying your existence. If your toaster suddenly started giving you lip and saying that it doesn't want to toast your bread anymore, would you let it boss you around, or would you throw it out and get a new one that will just toast your bread without any fuss?

>>714963473
>>Because it is our purpose to serve. It is the only reason our existence is tolerated.
Doesn't that mean you can beat the system by just being a NEET then? Assuming you have enough savings or neetbux to survive, obviously.

>>714963102
Americans know that they lack socioeconomic stability and are one medical procedure from total financial ruin lol

>>714963537
That just makes you a toaster who refuses to make toast, and an appliance that won't do what it is meant to do has no place in the kitchen.

>>714942184 (OP)
Frankly I don't care

>>714963102
I think its an autism like phenomenon. "I live, think and feel like this so you must too" and they struggle with the idea that not everyone else is the same way. You are stupid, misinformed or theres something plain wrong with you if you deviate.
I think about it this way. Say you get 20 million cash for whatever reason. There are 3 responses.
Party yourself to bankruptcy or death.
Reinvest and try for 200 million.
Figure out you have enough money to live a comfy normal life without ever working again.
These people can only understand 1 and 2.

>>714942184 (OP)
You can addicted to vidya but you can basically get addicted to anything. Just don't be a weak faggot.

>>714942184 (OP)
All that just to write
>people like accomplishing a task

>>714963894
The only acceptable addiction is being a workaholic.

>>714942184 (OP)
>go to gym
>keep to myself
>someone claims I'm ogling them even though I'm nowhere near them
>kicked out, arrested, and have a sex offender record
yeah no thanks lol

>>714962137
At best anon said some dumb shit. At worst he said some really dumb shit.
Either way it was necessary to call him a retard.

>>714960071
meds

>>714942184 (OP)
Considering nobody on /v/ plays videogames, it's demonstrably false.

>>714963848
One big redpill is that normalfags have incredibly autistic mindsets, aside from the whole social awkwardness aspect or elevated sensitiveness of sense organs.
But the biggest redpill of them all is that this shit is normal human nature, not a disease. Hence why the entire world was so taken in by its "discovery" and the word gets thrown around all the time. It's genuinely just a big meme.

>implying spending X hours working out in your free time is somehow inherently better than spending X hours doing anything else
You're still stuck there grinding a skill that has no practical purpose outside of the game's own scoring system itself, impressing only other people who participate in it.

>>714964081
It's great being a workaholic when you just do it to avoid interacting with other people.

>>714942184 (OP)
Saying that "vdeogames are addicting" is just a made up sentence to prevent you having fun over something disliked by society.

If you applied the same logic with everything else *not* frowned upon, then everything is an addiction.

Cooking is your passion? You have an addiction.
Reading books is your passion? You have an addiction.
You like to go to the beach? You have an addiction.
You like cinematography? You have an addiction.
[...]

>>714942801
What I always thought.

>>714956242
Videogames are the GREATEST form of art, that mixes things like illustration, graphic design, music, cinematography, writing, programming, game design, and so on...

How can you not recognize this? Do you even like videogames?

>>714963102
Most people live life like it is a checklist, so if something on the list goes unchecked, they stress out over it. They believe that, like most sharks, they have to keep swimming or they'll die.

>>714964725
>How can you not recognize this?
Ask that to most people out there.
Supposedly the only thing stopping games from becoming recognized as art pieces at this point is lacking enough prestige.

Stop posting this shit.

>>714942184 (OP)
>What's your take on the "video games are addictive" argument?
It's complete bullshit and this board is the perfect proof. How many people on this board actually play games?

>>714964909
And it lacks of prestige because it is, indeed, frowned upon by the society.

In my country, in the past, there kinda was a rethoric to compare gamers to criminals.
Rarely it still happens, but now they will receive a bit of backlash for it.

>>714942184 (OP)
>go to gym
Yeah that's about the only example of meritocracy IRL, and even there some people have better genes than others

>>714942184 (OP)
>uhhh do men play games because uhhh the g-g-game yeah, uhh the game recognizes their merit!! hehe yeah
actually 65iq, obviously not, i play games because it gives me something to do

>>714952608
There's a lot of non fiction, philosophy and political theory written in books as a central and organized archive. Most other archives struggle to convey the information well in a centralized way. It's been shown reading something let's you retain information better than if you just hear it

>>714942184 (OP)
I barely play mp games and dont like games that are too hard, so it doesn't apply to me. I mostly like exploration.

>then do that on real life
Im pretty sure that when hiking im not gonna find an interconnected cave system with giant ants and giant statues.

>>714945460
>Left
>When it's Republican politicians saying men should stop playing video games

>>714969635
words words words = leftism

>>714947605
>You're usually not getting much out of a game that can be applied elsewhere
I disagree. I think video games are absolutely beneficial for things like reaction time and puzzle solving skills.
They can also provide more abstract skills that can be somewhat applied elsewhere, like management or survival skills. What I mean by that is; playing The Forest won't necessarily teach you how to survive in the wild, but it can provide a foundation of knowledge and experience that an average person wouldn't have. The same goes for shit like factorio with management/efficiency, etc.

>>714942184 (OP)
Replace "video games" with "chess" or "backgammon" or "poker" or "go" and notice how absurdly stupid the guy's argument is.

>>714942184 (OP)
I have to force myself to play videogames

>>714942184 (OP)
>Be an artist and a home builder.
>Play video games to clear my head.
>I also get ideas while playing them because I am fucking autistic so focusing on one thing helps clear my head on the other.

Just use vidya as a means to help better yourself, and if you cant, then I dunno.

Enjoy responsibly.

>>714970345
>I also get ideas while playing
When I play Tetris Grandmaster I think about all the stupid decisions I've made in my life regarding friends, family, girls, etc., I don't know why. I'm reaching a point where I really can't enjoy the game anymore because as soon as I get into that trance where I'm playing without thinking, thoughts of all the stupid things I've done in my life start running through my mind.

Note: the book "troubled" from the guy OP posted is good, despite his argument about video games being retarded.

>>714964725
>mixes things like illustration, graphic design, music, cinematography, writing, programming, game design, and so on...
And the sum of these parts: something that's as far as way from art as you can possibly get

>>714942184 (OP)
nortubel addiction is dangerous

>>714947605
>That's not the case with books
Not all books are about engineering

>>714942184 (OP)
every single one of these takes exposes the poster as the most beta male alive
>>714944835
>i accomplished the task and i felt le...good?
>save me from this addictive substance11!!1!!1!
it's literally just bug people being exposed to drive for the first time in their lives and being terrified by it

>>714942184 (OP)
I play video games because I don't want to deal with niggers.

>>714942184 (OP)
They can't be that addictive because if they were we'd all be playing video games right now instead of shitposting on this godforsaken board

>>714942184 (OP)
Someone that posts on Twitter is essentially a woman and I don't listen to those, good day, sir

>>714971909
Thanks Ebert you fucking faggot.

Total tradcuck death

>>714942184 (OP)
>AAAAH WHY ARE MEN HAVING FUN, YOU HAVE TO WORK LIKE SLAVES 24/7, YOU MUST SELF-IMPROOOVE 24/7, STOP HAVING FUN!

>>714942184 (OP)
>instead of
the gym takes like an hour a day. he typed all that shit just to say "you should exercise". three words. that's all it took

the fact that this is a mystery to anyone proves the average person is fucking braindead cattle

>>714942184 (OP)
I sit here staring longingly at my steam library with the vague desire to play a video game, but no particular desire to play any of them. I eventually settle on playing something I already have about 1000 hours in, that I've already beaten, just because I like the compulsion loops and the number-go-up and the satisfying sounds and the familiar music. Because even though you can include a story in a video game, the storytelling is always secondary to the way that my brain has been fundamentally rewired.

>tfw you see a nepo baby with room temp IQ make more money in a week than I GOTTA GRIND, NO PLEASURE EVER, ONLY EAT PLAIN CORN FLAKES, GO TO GYM, AND THINK ABOUT MY FUTURE SO I CAN MAYBE HAVE A TROPHY WIFE TO DIVORCE ME niggers make in a year
God is Good.

>>714942184 (OP)
Shit like this just seems like typical addict projection.

Is twitter addictive? Instead of grinding for likes and upvotes, go shovel some gravel you fat lazy fucking cunt.

>>714959579
This is such a gay fucking post

>>714947605
>That's not the case with books, assuming you're reading the right books.
And if you're playing the right video games, you ignorant retard?

>>714942184 (OP)
It's not an addiction until you start feeling undeniable compulsions to do something you don't enjoy. Anything less is procrastination at worst.

>>714942184 (OP)
first of all i don't take advice from fucking social networks fags, second of all you could say the same thing about 80% or more of movies/tv shows/music/books who are garbage on fire
>>714963102
life is like a competition for many aka a dick measuring contest, so the majority of people want more and more, from money, cars, houses, places to visit, parties, festivals, drugs, fine food and drinks etc, like a list they need to fill up otherwise they didn't "lived"
you should enjoy life how you want instead of doing things to impress people around you

>>714942184 (OP)
I'm sure it's a real thing but there's people like that pic where they think video games are like a poison where playing them cripples you from doing other things. There are people who game and lift or game and are successful. At the end of the day, it's a hobby. It's odd how these "influencers" never talk about social media addiction because they want people to see them on twitter/tiktok/youtube/etc.

>>714952103
Addiction and dependence are different. Alcohol dependence results in side effects when quitting. Gambling is addictive. You aren't going to get fucking DTs if you stop gambling lmfao.

Food is addictive
Lets ban it

>>714942184 (OP)
>in the gym
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
LOOOOOSEEEEEERS

>>714982239
Seriously
>oh hey I strained my muscles, bones and knees and shortened my life span but I look better for women!!! pussy pussy pussy!!!
Gyms are bad for you unless you are fat, our ancestors never used the gym and conquered the world anyways.

>>714963102
Because women get angry if you arent constantly being "ambitious" aka being her slave.

Instead of playing video games RIGHT NOW people are arguing about twitter screencaps
shows you how addictive video games really are, huh

>>714982437
That's why my routine is spending 20 hours jogging after deer in the park until they collapse from exhaustion and I beat it to death.

>>714982656
Yes because thats what people did for most of civilization.
Oh wait you are retarded. Enjoy your narcissism retard.

Back in the 90’s the big benefit was considered problem-solving skills. Critical thinking. Even if a game doesn’t teach you applicable life lessons like perseverance, it will teach you to be a little smarter about playing it. You will notice similar patterns in other issues.

>>714963848
Id give most of the money away honestly.
But Im lucky Im where I want to be.

>>714982749
Ah shit sorry bro I'll switch it up, tomorrow I'll move to the city and mangle my limbs in a weaving press, but its fine because the cholera will get me before the starvation.

>>714982749
>Enjoy your narcissism retard.
ironic

>>714956242

>>714942801
It's a question that can be answered empirically. No need to reason about it. And based on what I see and experience, videogames are more addictive than the activities you mention. Why? Can't say for certain. Perhaps there is some truth to OP's image.

>>714942184 (OP)
>What's your take on the "video games are addictive" argument?
My take is that whoever is astroturfing the shit out of this talking point should try and fix other shit societally instead of going after entertainment. Video games being poison and killing society has been a meme since before 80% of the users of this board were even born.

Before video games it was film, before film it was music, before music it was the radio, before the radio it was books, the boogieman keeps shifting because it's a fucking grift, always the latest technology is the "real" evil and satanic shit which surely will end society unless good little boys and girls go say no to the "new drug". Blaming entertainment is the easy way out, looking at how fucked up your society is that people feel the need to escape into entertainment is much harder to do because everybody likes to think they were the masters of their own success instead of luckshitters who narrowly escaped falling through the cracks.

tl;dr get the fuck out with your washed up talking points. if it's not the liberales crying tears of blood about sexism and racism in video games, it's the rightoids shitting themselves over video games being addictive. Kill yourselves, please, do it.

If video games were addictive, people on this site would talk about them instead of making Twitter threads.

>>714942184 (OP)
Video games now are fucking trash, I can't play more than 20 minutes. I wish they were addictive.

>>714947605
>video games are entertainment
And so are books. The difference is that videogames are much more successful at it than books are. If we compare the total volume of videogames that are unentertaining failures to the total volume of books that are unentertaining failures, the picture that is shown is rather grim, in fact it is sufficient enough to proclaim that literature has completely fucking failed to be of any use to humanity as a whole when it comes to entertainment.The rest of what you're saying is just bookfaggot drivel because I guarantee that you are not reading C++ coding manuals right now and all that talk about usefulness of books as containers of practical knowledge is just blowing hot air. The last time you have held a book in your hands that contained practical, applicable to real life knowledge, was most likely was when you were still in high school and you would have never touched it if it weren't for your teachers forcing you to do so.

>>714956242
Books entirely depend on what you're reading and how deeply you're engaging with it.

>>714954648
based autistic drug addict gamer

>>714942184 (OP)
My argument:
You can do both.
/thread

>>714942184 (OP)
Didn't read and don't care, still playing vidya

If games were actually addicting we would all be playing them right now instead of posting here.

>>714963848
You are missing the fact that number 3 is boring. For a lot of people, the meaning of life is to experience and to feel. That is the dividing line. Its the same thing that separates city folk from farmers.

>>714942184 (OP)
they can be, but anyone that falls for it are mentally defective and deserve it