I don't know why people think that literally anything will change except for the publishers adding an extra paragraph to the EULA.

EULAs are not legally binding in europe

>>714948002 (OP)
Your butt plug gnome got to far up your ass again, mald.

>>714948002 (OP)
Pirate Software Won

>>714949743
... a dead ferret 2 rape

>>714948002 (OP)
Maybe you shouldn't have let low IQ people with no experience with programming or game development try to repeatedly scam us?

>>714948002 (OP)
>I don't know why people think that literally anything will change except for the publishers adding an extra paragraph to the EULA.

>>714950402
Digital vs physical goods retard. Like how on iPhones the ability to download apps from places other than the app store is geolocked to the EU and only the EU.

>>714950584
>Digital vs physical goods
Why would it matter?

>>714950651
The cost benefit analysis is different when you're comparing having two versions of the same product manufactured in your factories versus implementing a few lines of code.

>>714950789
>two versions of the same product
Anon I...

>>714950402
prime example of EU retardation. like what the fuck does it matter which charger they use? my old ass phone doesn't have usb-c, am i being exploited? HELP ME DADDY GOVERNMENT

>>714951114
If you buy peripherals for a proprietary port you're less likely to switch to a different phone later on, which is anti competitive.

>>714948002 (OP)
The revolution bro, we're going to change the world bro, everything will be different bro.

>>714951114
>Corporations should be able to do whatever they like
Are you shitposting or are all you mutts like this?

>>714950584
Cool, let's talk digital. By EU law, it is fully legal to sell licences for paid software that you're no longer using, and companies can do nothing to prevent this.

>>714950584
EU legislated digital good ownership rights before cables

>>714948002 (OP)
And for some reason you fucks won't stop posting about how meaningless it is. It's a thread per hour just to say "lol it wont change anything"

>>714951631
They're afraid.

>>714950584
>Unfair Contract Terms Directive (93/13/EEC): A term is unfair if it causes a "significant imbalance" between the parties’ rights and obligations, contrary to "good faith," and to the consumer’s detriment. Courts assess this against what a reasonable consumer might expect.
>Digital Content Directive (2019/770): Effective from January 1, 2022, this requires digital content (e.g., video games) to conform to the contract and remain functional for a "reasonable period" unless otherwise agreed. It builds on 93/13/EEC by setting specific consumer rights.

>>714951243
yeah let's make it more competitive by banning all options except one. makes sense
>>714951435
here's an idea for the next EU petition i'm sure you'll love: you can not buy anything unless you contact a government agency who makes the choice for you. just give all responsibility away because the government knows what's best for you, right

we make capitalists bow before the consumer not the other way around like in america

>>714951825
YWNBAC.
You will never be a corporation.

>>714951826
*customer

Reject the "consoom" vernacular that corpos want you to ascribe yourselves.

>>714948002 (OP)
>it wont do anything goy, stop signing already
if it wont do anything why are they so scared that they are already pulling games offline

>>714951805
I'm kind of mad that the other thread got deleted before I could point out that the legal definition of many things is quite literally "what a reasonable consumer might expect"

>>714951964
I get what you're saying in spirit, but "consumer" has also been adopted into legal vernacular to pair with "producer." We're not going to be able to shake it in discussion. Too many things are currently labeled "consumer rights" and "consumer law."

>>714948002 (OP)
I dont know why (you) think spamming it daily will somehow kill SKG

>>714952038
It's okay, a blacked vtuber thread took its place.
>>714951184

>>714948002 (OP)
They won't be able to afford to make the same cookie cutter gacha garbage they've been making.
Only shills argue against Stop Killing Games

>>714948002 (OP)
>>714949743
lmao if you look at middle section here
>>714952078
it's the same samefag replying to his own thread, using [1] in filenme, not even (1)

>>714951825
>here's an idea for the next EU petition i'm sure you'll love: you can not buy anything unless you contact a government agency who makes the choice for you. just give all responsibility away because the government knows what's best for you, right
What a retarded jump in logic. The iPhone cable situation means that you have more choice and you are more likely to switch phone depending on which ones better. Apple's random proprietary ports were always a bunch of anti consumer bullshit. Go back to McDonald's.

>>714948002 (OP)
Less than a week left, Britbrothers. If you haven't signed, now's the time to do so.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/

>>714952250
>Go back to McDonald's.
>Implying he isn't there already shitposting from the free wifi

>>714948002 (OP)
You can't just write "this game isn't subject to any law" into your eula.

>>714952078
>the first image when you search stop killing games
>the first image when you search pirate software
other reverse image searches are valid but sometimes schizocollage posters are too schizophrenic

>>714952250
You don't get it. Corporations always argue in good faith and governments always argue in bad faith.

>>714952443
But consumers aren't buying a game, they're buying a license to access the developers' servers for the software that they are able to terminate at any time. Best case scenario they'll throw in a "the servers will be active for at least one year after release" into the license agreement.

>>714951825
Enjoying your corn syrup in every meal and Super Cancer in every pharmancy product?

>>714948002 (OP)
publishers seem to fear that it will change things considering how many jeets they've bought to spam about it

>>714952570
As I said in the previous thread, that's not even remotely compliant. They're still selling the game as a good, but getting all the benefits of it being a service.

If they wish to start selling every game ever made as a service, then I welcome them to try.

I don't get what companies are crying about. The lobbying is counter-productive and gives people a bad taste. Many EU regulations that already protect consumers also protect companies. I don't see companies crying that it's unfair to consumers that their rights are protected.

>>714948002 (OP)
Why are you so scared, op?

Why aren't Iceland and Greenland part of the EU? Also is French Guiana able to vote for this since they're technically still part of France?

>>714952654
Then they'll clarify that they're selling a service. You overestimate the goodwill of corporations that aren't headed by Gabe Newell (may Allah rest his soul).

if it won't change anything, why is there so much effort going towards obstructing it?

>>714952768
Because companies unironically pay random retards to do "viral marketing" and defend their products online.

>>714948002 (OP)
>adding extra lines in eula
Because they have to comply with the law regardless of what they put there

>>714952570
So what's their EoS strategy? To remove backend dependence for the game or to supply self hosting tools? Your eula doesn't address any of that.

>>714948002 (OP)
>dexerto succesfully convinced everyone it's a gamergate movement by rightoid chuds
its over...
but seriously, why the fuck are they doing that and why? do they get off to having no consumer rights or is it meant to rile people up for more clicks?

>>714952704
>I don't get what companies are crying about
this could cause the line to go up slightly less sharply and making it go up as much as possible is the singular reason corporate entities exist

>>714952752
Oh, I'm not assuming goodwill at all. Admitting the game is a service requires informing all customers of the SPECIFIC length of time they will have access. The market only has room for a handful of subscription-based games and their profits will suffer greatly if they go that route.

Way cheaper to release a damn server binary.

>>714952752
This
It's hilarious that people think they'll change their business model instead of just changing their disclaimer

>>714952952
Ecelebs are sponsored.

>>714952952
they get a check for discrediting a threat to corporate profit

>>714952752
Then they'll have to advertise it as "subscribe" instead of "buy". Like to see how that would work out for them.

>>714952971
>Way cheaper to release a damn server binary.
no it's not, it costs nothing to inform the customer when the game is shutting down

just
dont
buy
the
game
if
you
dont
like
their
practices

no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons
Just learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.

>>714953049
A subscription is a recurring payment, if it's not a recurring payment then it's not "subscribe"

NOOOOOOOOOOO STOP! WHAT IF I BECOME A CEO LATER?! IT COULD AFFECT ME!

feels good to be an euchad

>>714953071
Oh god, shut the fuck up. You should know by now that "voting with your wallet" never works and just boils down to ignoring the issue.

>>714953071
I'm
gonna
piss
in
you
mother's
throat
nigga

>>714952746
Iceland could probably join if they wanted to, skimming through Wikipedia Greenland is a special case since it technically belongs to Denmark, a EU member, despite being more autonomous so they get all the benefits of being in the EU. Probably a similar case for French Guiana.

>>714953049
If this movement goes through then the "purchase game" button will become the "subscribe to game" button and that will be the full extent of the effect that this entire movement will have had on the gaming industry.

>>714953071
ive bene voting with my wallet for 20 years and things only get worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worser andw owrse

>>714948002 (OP)
They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

>>714953057
How many people would just not buy a game if they are told, clearly and unambiguously, that it will stop working after a certain period of time?
That's the cost of the malicious compliance route.
Keep the damn game running.

>>714953149
>You should know by now that "voting with your wallet" never works
Remember that time when a company made a shitty game that nobody liked so the game shut down and the developers went out of business?

>>714953114
But if it's a service, it is not a good and should not be sold as a product.

>>714953179
>How many people would just not buy a game if they are told, clearly and unambiguously, that it will stop working after a certain period of time?
Nobody would fucking care
People already buy live service games

>>714952952
Any kind of gaming news get indirectly financed by game publishers. That's also why review scores go from 7 to 10, because giving less than a 7 gets you blacklisted (no invite to events, no review copies, no "leaks" etc). Basically dexerto is just an extension of the gaming lobby

>>714953071
get
raped
in
an
alley
by
a
gang
of
feral
niggers
you
coon
ape
subhuman
corporate
shill

>>714951114
I remember having 20 different chargers in my home, all in the drawer, so much electronic waste. You are being retarded on purpose

>>714953123
This literally does effect me if I become a CEO later, just like higher taxes on the rich. When I get rich it will negatively effect me

>>714953219
There's a really fucking stupid narrative running through these threads that there are "goods" which are things you buy that have to last forever and there are "services" that you subscribe to and they last a certain amount of time
That's not how it works, you can buy things once that don't last forever, that is perfectly legal

>>714953057
Again, you seem to be deliberately misinterpreting me, which is fine, because you're either a shill, a troll, or stupid, but lucky for you I'm bored.

What you're describing is what's happening right now. What I'm talking about is a hypothetical future in which some form of SKG regulation gets passed. One that is, more or less, in alignment with the principles outlined in the Initiative. In this future, publishers have to choose: is their game a good or a service? If it's the former, they have to release server files or an offline mode at the game's EoL. If it's the latter, then they have to be completely explicit with every buyer FROM POINT OF PURCHASE about how long their purchase is good for.

Do you see how the latter would not be a viable market strategy for every single game with online multiplayer? The former is cheaper and easier.

>>714953123
One day I'm going to be the richest man in the world but it's not going to be enough!

>>714953236
>people already buy live service games
Yes, because they mistakenly believe that they are purchasing a product that they will be able to play at any time.

>>714951964
go straight up to "workers" is what i propose

>>714948002 (OP)
I feel like I’m the only one that thinks this shit is a waste of time for everyone involved

>>714951114
Apple lightning cables were one of the shittiest cables on the market with cheapest insulation that you would only see in chink shit, but cost premium specifically because if you have an IPhone you don’t really have a choice where to buy from, the cable is proprietary. Now that apple has to actually compete with everyone else, their USBC cables are one of the best on the market, because they still want to charge premium
>why does it matter
Because i/o standardisation is objectively a good thing and USBC is the best connector cable despite never being proprietary

>>714953312
It costs nothing to be explicit about the time when your game service ends and they will pick this option every time

>>714953203
Rare event when the whole internet decides that hating on a game is a popular meme. As long as hating on a game is NOT a mass consensus, hundreds of thousands of drones will still rush to buy it, especially if they see some big brand.
I've been "voting with my wallet" for like 15 years now. It doesn't work, retard. Explain why Blizzard continued to make tons of money after Diablo 3, Immortal and 4.

>>714953347
No, most people don't care

>>714953152
>>714953251
based, high iq individuals

>>714948429
EULAs ARE binding in Europe as long as they comply with the GDPR. For that they just mainly need to easily readable, aka no excessive legalese to hide the terms, and the end user must voluntarily agree. So no "you agree to these terms by continuing to exist on the planet" bullcrap.

>>714953071
>just let me scam other people
Uhm.. no?

>>714953287
No, that's exactly how it works. Unless you're getting hung up on "forever" being in a literal sense. Some goods get consumed. Some degrade due to entropy. None should be actively destroyed by their seller.

>>714953398
>Rare event when the whole internet decides that hating on a game is a popular meme.
lmfao
so this is what a person who gets all their news from /v/ looks like

>>714948002 (OP)
Most likely but it doesn't hurt to try!

>>714948002 (OP)
After this movement is dead in the water, I will never forget the time /v/ took the side of an eceleb professional complainer over someone who at the end of the day is an actual game developer.

>>714953264
Exactly, that's why I believe in giving corporation full control of my life, it's gonna be so nice when I'm a CEO in 40 years after working very hard on my ideas.

>>714951825
everyone needing different chargers was annoying tho since you couldn't loan a charger like you can now.
but yeah I guess we can't make things more convenient since then the poor billionaires might not be able to afford their 100th summer home

>>714953413
They aren't legally binding if the user signed under duress, i.e. if the EULA was only shown to the user after purchasing and installing the game.

>>714953437
Planned obsolescence exists and is essentially legal

Gaming Journalists are spreading PirateGame's bullshit, furthering their agenda by calling SKG a Gamergate movement.
>The Streamer said he had been swatted and received death threats because he doesn't support the movement.
They're really going hard with this, please DO NOT fucking fall for it

>>714953413
it's not enough to be readable. they can't violate consumer protection laws either.

>>714953372
And I'm saying if they do, substantially fewer people will be willing to buy. It's not worth it.

>>714953359
I think most people thought so and the only reason it blew up was to own that faggot piratesoftware. I think that jew rosenbaum that talks to ross is right and you need to push lobbyists and throw money around to make anything happen. Signing a petition is not enough even if the EU petition format is suppose to mean something.

>>714953413
Its only legally binding when you agree BEFORE purchasing the product.

>>714953071
>just
>wait
>for
>their
>practices
>to
>extend
>to
>more
>products

i bet my ass you chimp about culture war "allow no inch or lose an arm" rethoric daily, those kikkers can only and exclusively apply reason to distraction bullshit

>>714953153
>Probably a similar case for French Guiana.
No, it's a different case. French Guyana is just France even if it's overseas. Greenland is a "normal" overseas territory in the EU Overseas Countries and Territories (OCT). All are part of EEA.

>>714953518
In the EU, only because of loopholes and grey areas. EU lawmakers are rushing to do everything they possibly can to stamp it out.

>>714953518
Not in glorious EU, son. That's how we got here.

People in this thread be like "hurr what if they just sell a service and write in their eula that it'll shut down".

?????? That's literally what they do right now. The point is to stop them from doing that.

I fucking hate how SKG just became another just cause hijacked by Gamergate, it's fucking disgusting. We had a good thing going until you fucks came and fucked everything up.

>>714952926
which in itself is an unfair advantage. if consumers cannot unite to post their own propaganda then we need lawmakers to protect our interests
corporations have big budgets and they use them to pay internet shills to drown out any criticism and paint themselves in a favorable light. so from the get go corporations have an unfair advantage because they pay to have their voice heard and have lobbyists meet with politicians while us common folk need to collect millions of signatures to even have our existence acknowledged. it's an amoral and unfair system skewed in favor towards the interests of a tiny minority with all the money often at the expense of the people but enough is enough. the streets will run red with the blood of ceos and publishers until justice has been done and an eye for an eye has been satisfied

>>714953537
>substantially fewer people will be willing to buy
nah
if you put "guaranteed to work for 5 years" on your single player game that's enough for most people

>>714953451
No, that's how it looks when you have basic awareness and pattern recognition.
For every concord there's 5 live service turds normalfags deem "good enough" and throw tons of money at.

>>714953594
Good point lmao. The collective gaslighting effect is insane.

>>714953524
The dude who has supposedly contacted precincts telling them that people might swat him.
A fucker who streams long hours and somehow it happened off screen.
his dad also worked for blizzard.

Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a ball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?

>>714953586
>>714953593
Notice I said "essentially legal" because there has been some performance shit about it but nothing has actually changed

>714953173
>714953524
>714953601
Demoralisation shillbots, kill yourself

>>714953287
And that shouldn’t be, yes. You shouldn’t be able to legally sell a product as a service and then leverage the fact that it is a service to steal it from the customer. If it looks like a product, works like a product, and sold like a product then it is product, not service

>>714953413
>EULAs ARE binding in Europe
They are not.
You can't force me to sign a licensing agreeement AFTER purchasing your product. That's an absurd notion.

>>714953601
SKG was a gamer rage from the very start

>>714953524
It's truly amazing how /v/ and their comrade-in-arms KiwiFarms keep shooting themselves in the foot by relentlessly harassing their self-described enemies. Good job with your PR poison, now you've turned it into a chud movement. I hope you're happy.

>>714953634
No that's how it looks when you're uninformed. Game companies go out of business all the fucking time.

>>714953413
"user agreements" are not law and they cannot contradict law. if the law says something and the EULA says otherwise then the EULA is null and void.

>>714953713
Name 5 examples of AAA development studios going under in the last 10 years.

>>714948002 (OP)
If SKG wont change anything then why Corporations are actively fighting aganist that?

>>714953735
Go on Wikipedia and take a browse through EA's subsidiary list.

>>714953735
You can type that into Google and get an answer

>>714953754
Because lawyers and spokespeople like to make money.

>>714953372
If you say your game will be online for 20 years you now have to support it for 20 years no matter if it’s profitable or concord 2
If you say your game will be online for 1 year you will never be able to sell it at full price or anything even relatively close to full price
If you charge subscription fee then your player retention requirements just skyrocketed and any kind of massive player dissatisfaction might as well be the death sentence

>>714951114
It's called standardization.
Why should there be a million different proprietary connectors? This is obviously bad.
It's basically all the same under the hood anyway, so why not enforce it?
There is literally no good reason against standardization.

>>714953676
who's forcing you?

>>714953713
And yet Ubisoft, Activision or EA are still kicking.
>>714953765
Retard...

>>714953617
Yeah, imagine if Concord had that guarantee. Sony would be losing their shit even harder than they already are. That would literally be far worse for corporate interests than even getting SKG passed in its harshest and most demanding form.

>>714953804
Keeping a server online for X amount of years for a game that nobody plays costs nothing

>>714953649
except the park is abandoned and i'm not being allowed to mow the grass to play ball with my friends again retard.
or better yet i own the park (console/pc) and the ball i bought (game) is being disappeared at distance

>>714953723
They will reclassify every game they sell as some sort of software service. It's like how after the UN made declaring a war very difficult, every war thereafter just became a special military operation.

>>714953837
>People die all the time
>Oh yeah, why am I still alive?
The fucking retards in this thread I swear

>>714953765
>subsidiaries
Literally do not count, money will be moved from one subsidiary to another, nothing functionally went under.
>>714953789
Yeah, the answer is that there aren't any.

EA still exists.
Ubisoft still exists.
Square Enix still exists.
Activision still exists.

>>714953846
Why did they shut down concord then

>>714953169
That's a good start.

>>714953841
Concord gave a refun. It goes without saying that if you want to shut your game down, a refund is always an option

>>714953649
Says who, the law? Which skg is trying to change?

>hurr durr you can't make weed legal, because the law says it's illegal
That's how you sound

>>714953697
/v/ is so fucking retarded, they will never pass up on an opportunity to fucking harass people and poison any good movements, playing right into the hands of the fuckers who oppose SKG.

>>714953885
I encourage you to actually type it into Google because it will give you an answer

>>714953851
so they can sell me a new ball or have me pay a costier ticket to a worse park

>>714953885
I hope Microsoft buys all of your AAA studios and shutters them then you will never be allowed to complain under your shitty logic.

>>714953524
The movement has already taken off with the masses and everyone has learned to hate journos in 10 years since it happened last time, even ones who were on their side back then.
And EU is not going to give a shit about that either, they only speak legalese.

If anything i can see this stunt opening normie eyes on the truth of actual GG in some time. We'll be fine.

>>714953891
Because they weren't going to continue development

>>714953403
It doesn't occur to most people that they might lose access to their games.

>>714953891
Tax break.

>>714953969
Ok, why shutdown servers if it costs nothing. It had 100 players or smth

>>714953169
good. let's see them try to attach a $80 price tag to a subscribe button

>>714953926
I did, and all I got was some literally nothing about a netflix studio that never released a single game closing. So the initial point about voting with your wallet is null and void here, and thus this has nothing to do with the discussion

>>714953895
that's not a start, it's where it ends.

>>714953287
>go to restaurant
>order steak
>you get told the steak is 5 pieces of meat
>unusual, but ok
> you get the first piece of meat
>as you are eating the restaurant says "sorry we're closed now get out"

>>714953997
To curb the expectations of the few who did care

>>714954003
>it doesn't count

>>714953480
>headcanon
I signed the petition when there was less than 1000 names. I hate you summer fags trying to pretend being regulars here.

>>714953403
most people assume a company wouldn't do something completely out of line like scam them by purposefully invalidating their copy

>>714953934
>uhm yea i know you made 10 goyillion dollarydoos which was 10 times last years revenue BUUUUT our internal projections said you should've made 6 million goyillion dollarydoos so you're underperforming and we're shutting you down sorry!
Okay I don't see what this has to do with the initial point about muh vote with your wallet and that will make things shut down but alright

>someone has fair, light criticism about Stop Killing Games
>"Nooo you don't understand the proposal, it's not X, it's Y"
>another person criticizes Y
>"Sigh... People still don't understand the proposal is not about Y, but actually about X?"

I'm fucking done with this stupid subject. It is impossible to say anything negative about it because Stop Killing Games is like the holy spirit: it's nowhere, and at the same time everywhere. It's about nothing, and at the same time everything. No matter what you criticize, it'll always be "wrong" because it is actually about whatever point you did not criticize; and this point will oportunistically change once the next person says they disagree.

Fuck everyone involved with this. Bunch of dishonest vulture clowns turning this into another Gamergate

>>714953827
I already paid for it, if I can't use it without signing the EULA, my money has functionally been stolen. It's clearly a deceptive practice.

>>714953871
>studios that made good games got killed by EA jews
>the big jew studios are still kicking despite shitting out tons of cancer
>t-that means voting with your wallet works!!!
Retard...

>>714953287
>that is perfectly legal
so is (you) breathing, doesn't make it right

>>714954080
>h vote with your wallet and that will make things shut down
Yes. If a game doesn't sell, the company shuts down. This has happened to literally thousands of game companies.

>>714954057
Yes, it literally doesn't. Learn to follow a conversation you insipid bonobo-fellating coprophage.

>>714954132
Why are people in favor of this so bloodthirsty?

>>714954151
Learn to Google

>>714953905
That is true. But if you're still talking about guaranteeing a specific amount of active time from release day, the cost/benefit analysis still doesn't work out in the publisher's favor by any stretch of the imagination. Let's assume a less embarrassing failure than Concord. Let's assume they had... a million sales and an average of 10k active players after the first few months. That's decent, but not "recoup $400 million" decent. And it would take them time to see that pattern forming. Time in which they are actively updating the game and trying their hardest to maintain that playerbase. All of that shit is just sinking more money into the hole. They'd still end up losing out super fucking hard for no reason and would probably want to kill the game before the guarantee is up.

Instead of wasting all that time, why not just have a user-runnable server.exe ready to go? Seems pretty fucking simple.

>>714953413
You're forgetting that the terms also have to be reasonable. "We reserve the right to revoke access to your purchase with no warning for any or no reason" is not reasonable.

>>714953905
not if it's a service. does your plumber give you a refund when he leaves your house?

>>714954069
just like the deer caught in the headlights assumes it won't get run over in 2 seconds. most people live moral lives and act in good will and assume the capitalists will good and fair in return

>>714954173
Why do people think bootlicking is civility?

>>714953287
Things you can buy that dont last forever usually do that because they erode through natural means and have an expiration date as a result.
Shutting down a server is entirely at the seller's discretion of when and how it will happen unless someone kyoanis the server. Digital goods dont erode, only the medium carrying them and thats not the problem with the good itself.

>>714954212
Who said they were required to keep working on the game? They can completely stop development and just leave the servers up

>>714953642
>chud wants to get a streamer swatted
>doesn't pull it off mid stream
I did find that somewhat peculiar, albeit I am somewhat of a nooticer myself

>>714953287
Softwares are not perishables.
Making a software you bought unusable after a specific period of time is called "Planned Obsolescence".

>>714954220
No, you'll have to sue him. Which, people who bought Concord in the EU should've done btw

>>714954148
How come ubisoft isn't dead then? It was literally over a billion in debt from their shit games not selling less than a few months ago.

>>714954247
>they erode through natural means
Literally all your appliances degrade because they were designed that way

>>714948002 (OP)

>>714954173
god the sòy corpo faggots are so funny

>>714954305
>>714953871

>>714954216
>"i made this. you can pay me to use it but i can't keep it running forever."
>low IQ gamers:

>>714954290
>Making a software you bought unusable after a specific period of time is called "Planned Obsolescence".
This is illegal for physcial goods in the EU, but perfectly fine for software.

>>714954096
Maybe that's because skg is just an idea right now and not some fleshed out legal text? You're trying to criticize something that doesn't exist, then others defend something that doesn't exist.

No one knows how skg is going to work.

>>714954220
If my pipes become broken after then yes, I will demand a refund

>>714954360
>This is illegal for physcial goods in the EU
its not

>>714948002 (OP)
Holy shit.
Did you guys see the news?
A game company put in their EULA that they are allowed to rape and murder the players.
EU can't do anything about it because the players agreed to the EULA.
How can we stop game companies from ignoring the laws?

>>714954371
>No one knows how skg is going to work.
lol what? they have a proposal on a website

>>714954353
>"don't make it then, or let ME run it instead"
>some retard that says "lowIQ" unironically:

>>714954341
>studios die when they make shit games that don't sell
>except in this case, no I will no explain anything while still asserting that I am right
Ok, faggot.

>>714954263
They could, but to hear the big corps tell it, that's ALSO way too costly. And even compared to the cost of running X number of servers, releasing a binary is STILL even cheaper!

>>714954353
why can't devs let the games community carry on running the game then?
there is no excuse

>>714954360
So it should be applied to software as well. Legal != acceptable

>>714954360
Mostly because they haven't reached that part yet. One of the major problem of the EU is that they're very slow when it comes down to tech problems.
But they'll end up regulating it eventually, because you aren't renting softwares, you are buying them with an unmarked deadline.

>>714954112
Nuh-uh.

>>714954443
One game studio not dying does not mean that all the other ones didn't die, holy fuck how can you be this stupid

>>714954429
NTA but I think nobody knows what form it will take if any. We simply understand what is requested. It could be that the EU parliamentary debate decides it's fucking based and makes even stricter restrictions.

>>714954452
>to hear the big corps tell it, that's ALSO way too costly.
They are lying
It costs nothing to keep the servers online, it is cheaper than doing a public release for dedicated server software

>>714954360
then the law should change
that's how it works

>>714954501
Huhuh now explain why ubisoft is a special case instead of avoiding the question with platitudes.

>>714954353
Big red letters on the presentation: SKG IS NOT ABOUT FORCING STUDIOS TO KEEP THEIR SERVERS RUNNING FOREVER

How do you still get it wrong?

>>714954465
you don't anything about software or networks so why are you talking? you probably think a server is a magic box with usernames in it.

Guys, I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't give a heck about game preservation, none of the games I care about are at risk of being deleted forever. I just want to see Ross happy and Game Judas get dunked on, that guy has rubbed me the wrong way ever since I first saw him before SKG.

>>714954583
How the fuck would I know? Do I work at Ubisoft?

>>714954590
Its a corpo shill, he gets it, but he gets paid for promoting corpo agenda

>>714954593
What do you know about it then?

I noticed that these threads are so much more civilized when the Americans are asleep.
Those fuckers cried government overreach every single time the EU targeted Apple.

Let's say I release my new game "Anon Launcher", free to play.
Within my f2p game Anon Launcher, you can buy different expansions such as "Anon Shooter" and "Anon RPG" giving you access to each expansion within my game Anon Launcher.
Anon RPG isn't doing so well, so I patch it out and release Anon RPG 2, a new expansion that I sell to my customers.
I never removed any game, since the game itself is Anon Launcher, I just patched stuff out like many other games do.
What now SKGfags? And before you say I can't just patch content out, does that mean you'd require every publisher to provide mirrors of every single patch that is released for their game?

>>714954434
>"don't make things you want to make unless you're gonna follow the arbitrary rules that i, a clueless consumer, lay down for you"

and you wonder why your campaign is failing.

>>714954429
Yeah a proposal that covers 1% of the important points. It's a wish, an idea, the implementation is completely unknown right now.

>>714954593
>i'm gonna call you a dumdum and since i established that you're a dumdum, there is no need for an actual argument

then i'm gonna call you a retarded niggerfaggot i guess

>>714954543
You're right that they're lying, but wrong about the cost of releasing a server binary. Especially because they A) already have one that they use to locally test their code, and B) they could plan for it from the start, which is precisely what SKG is asking for.

>>714954671
Makes sense when you remember the "european" corporate lobby is mostly made out of american companies.

>>714948002 (OP)
>I don't know why people think that literally anything will change except for the publishers adding an extra paragraph to the EULA.
Ubisoft wont even do that. Ubisoft already has an End of Life plan in their EULAs. When they shut down their game, you're obligated to uninstall and delete the game off your system.

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>714954704
Both of these options are cheap. Keeping servers online is just cheaper, also preferable for non-cost related reasons in that you have more control

>>714954691
>"or"
>"*ghasp*, let's just ignore it"

I sincerely hope that companies get shut the hell up for presenting Schrödinger's issues that would be logically contradictory if not for the fact that they are in a special superposition of true and false that happens to collapse into whatever is good for the company at any given moment. If only reality bent to the consumer's will like that.

>>714954634
So you don't know jack shit, can't form an argument and are just there to drop general statements 12-year-olds could make?
Thanks for being a useless faggot I guess.

>>714954671
bred to be cattle being exploited from birth by having their foreskins stolen and then fall in love with the thieves and worship and defend them endlessly

>>714954684
Doesn't work, because you sold Anon RPG by itself. It's still a product, even if it's dependent on another piece of software. If you wanted to sell it as a subscription, that would be fine.

There was an image of some EU website that had some digital objetives written that somewhat aligned with this innitiative, with the ui being orange and pink I think. Does anyone have it? I can't find it

>>714954774
>People die all the time
>Oh yeah, how am I still alive then? Not very informed about this issue are you?
You are so dumb it's unbelievable

>>714954671
idk what you mean by civilised but i'm throwing a lot of gamer words
i do feel excused to use them in this instance

>>714952570
>But consumers aren't buying a game
This isn't my dick fucking you in the ass retard, just lay back and take it

>>714954736
Gamergate is a faggy way to put it, but he's right about Ross's hatred and wishes for the destruction of modern industry.

Do you think Pirate Software wishes he clicked on that mana gem and said "my bad I did roach here" or is he still convinced he's been right all along?

>>714954408
It is explicitly illegal, but it's hard to prove, so mandatory warranty periods have been extended multiple times to curb such practices.

>>714954593
I'm literally a programmer.
Don't try to pull piratefags buzword salad on me.
It doesn't matter if it's a single binary or a system of appliances that connect, or even cloud specific services.
Developers could hand over the code, schemas and configurations to the community so a working version of the game could be reasonably reconstructed.
You can't tell me I don't understand the arcane secrets of gamedev, I'm a grand wizzard codemonkey.

>>714954814
There's a lot of directives, you have to be more specific. I'll give two that are often quoted. I'm guessing you might be talking about the first one.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj/eng
https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/consumer-protection-law/consumer-contract-law/unfair-contract-terms-directive_en

>>714954829
Thanks, kiddo.
Now go make a "people die when they are killed" thread and think yourself the greatest mind on the planet or some shit, while the adults are talking.

>>714953071
>just dont buy the paint if you dont like lead Chud

>>714953697
>turned it into a chud movement
So into a movement that will succeed?

>>714954096
>fair, light criticism
Such as....?

>>714954927
He is just a lying jackass, and people are dumb enough to have supported him for so long.

>>714954975
You are not an adult, you are asking incredibly childish questions
I know nothing about Ubisoft, that doesn't change the fact that game studios close all the time because they release a game nobody liked. It's the fate of most game studios, in fact

>>714954736
I think this dude is genuinely mentally ill.

>>714955092
He's got some sort of autism which makes him very bad at communicating which you can see if you watch his videos
He's essentially right, this is a gamer rage movement trying to punish companies, he's just really bad at communicating this

>>714954684
>patch it out
Had you known anything about software development you’d know that patching it out means disabling rather than removing. Because its cheaper to do so.
>provide mirrors every single patch
Nah, I think if you want to specifically search for loopholes and comply in bad faith you’ll get a fat fine so you comply properly or a ban from releasing games in EU if you keep trying to game the system. Also the retarded “game is akchyuali launcher, and these are paid expansions” pretence is going to help you in courts about as much as “in Minecraft” does

>>714948002 (OP)
I thought so too until the video game industry lobbying group in EU issued a statement. If the initiative would have no impact they would just ignore it.

>>714955034
Probably "nooooop think of le heccin indie deverinos that will suffer because of this!!!"
Ignoring that
1. If you make always online/live service shit as a small indie dev, you are a massive retard
2. I saw many indie retards fail by trying to do exactly that many times years before SKG.

>>714954736
i don't even know who ross is, i'm here for the initiative
does THIS GUY or anyone who obsesses about this ross guy actually play games? or are they faggot eceleb obsessed contrarians?

>>714955153
What's wrong with being pissed at not owning the stuff we purchase

>>714953697
>chud movement
if it was a chud movement then supporters would do nothing and claim victory

>>714948002 (OP)
Stop spamkng v. You have nothing ot offdr and are taking away peoples perspective. They are less becausenofnyiu. You are a pest.

>>714955318
good morning saar

>>714954684
Can you cite a real life example similar to this?

>>714954753
I seriously doubt keeping servers maintained and running for 5 years (in this hypothetical) on a game which would have progressively fewer and fewer players as they all become furious at the lack of support, and dramatically fewer sales as the value proposition of its plainly stated lifespan becomes worse and worse over time would work out better for the company in the long term.

You're free to think otherwise, I suppose, but I say they'd be saving themselves a massive headache by simply releasing server.exe to the public.

>>714955286
That's not what people are pissed about. Nobody is pissed about some shitty live service game with no players being cancelled. They're angry because they think game companies are greedy, or incompetent, or that they hate their consumers. There's some truth to this, but this movement will solve none of the real problems

>>714954353
Ok lets play ball
>>''i cant keep it running forever''

>where does it say that on the packaging?
>why is there no end of service date?
>why arnt you complying with general laws regarding services like a proper refund system
>why does your service require constant maintenence despite being open to the public?
>and most of all, why cant you keep running it if dozens of games and products in the past seem to be able to do it just fine

these are questions a judge will ask

Guys, your dick will get smaller if this passes. You might own games for your fleeting life, but let's face it, they won't work any way. All you will have at the end of the day is your tiny dick and games that don't work. Do you really want that?

>>714955346
Another plague. It's all the same degeneracy. You want standards lowered, yiu nedd them low, so you're seen better.
Yiu are a coward. You are not a credit to anything.

>>714955361
>as they all become furious at the lack of support
But this would happen in either circumstance because support for the game would end. So remove this from your scenario. The scenario is "keep servers up for a few years before shutting them down" or "release the server to the public"
If the game company didn't release the server in the first place, then they're gonna choose the first option nearly all of the time

>>714955431
good morning saar may i know who i am speaking with

>>714955362
It is a part of why people are pissed.
>but this movement will solve none of the real problems
Oh look it's Nostradamus.
If you can see into the future why don't you do something more useful like tell us the numbers for the lottery

never forget who we are up against. skg is a big blow for them because they cannot ignore it and it is throwing a wrench in their plans

>>714955514
You don't need to be Nostradamus to see this, because if you understand the real issues you understand that this doesn't address them

>>714955562
Well you do to be able to see in the future which is something you can apparently do

>>714955562
What are the real issues in your view?

>>714955408
Preferable outcome to be honest, my female wife is getting tired of hematomas I leave on her cervix after sex

>>714954480
See >>714951805
Many EULAs include clauses that are hostile against customers, are deliberately novella length and full of technical legalise language that laypeople cannot parse.
You can't reasonably expect most buyers to read and understand them.

>>714953697
Every e-celeb gets nasty messages and the media can blow it up no matter how big or small it is, if it suits their purposes. Being a dickhead publicly and then crying harassment when people call you a dickhead is a classic dickhead tactic. It's always transparent as fuck.

>>714953413
>EULAs ARE binding in Europe as long as they comply with the GDPR
What? EULAs are binding as long as they comply with European (and national) laws, not just GDPR. And the typical US EULA is so full of dogshit that it's pretty much worthless in Europe.

I cant think of any game that I've wanted to play that is impossible to find now. I can picture it now, all the people who are championing this never actually playing any of the games they want to stay accessible.
>it's about preserving them for future generations
It's a fucking video game, no one in 40 years is going to want to load up some old game no one could be bothered to play when it released.

>>714953642
Not to mention you'd think they would be wary of swatting him again AFTER the first claimed swatting AFTER he had supposedly contacted pretinct to be swat immune.
Not to mention you'd have to be retard to do that when there's been news of the false swatters getting punished.
But somehow, it happened off screen two times to this swat immune master opsec chungus.

>>714951114
Dumb nigger

>>714955619
Will this stop game companies being greedy, incompetent or hating their consumers? No, it's purely punitive. It's "we hate you, we will try to use the law against you". The issue itself is enitrely inconsequential. Even if they got their demands, it would change nothing about the game industry

>>714955630
hell most companies expect most buyers who do read them to just comply blindly because they dont know their rights

>>714955518
That fucking thing is not a human being.

>>714952028
>oh no not anthem!
>I mean, no one plays it and no one ever did but that doesn't mean they can take away our option to play it!

>>714952296
I'm not signing it I don't care. If it mattered that much make your own copies of the games and upload them as torrents

>>714955701
So I should just let them walk all over me without any consequences?

>>714955437
Oh? You don't think customer goodwill would be lost when this game that had a 5 year (from release) guarantee stops being supported halfway through year 2? You don't think sales would tank because, since people can plainly see that the company is just riding out their promised time with no plans to actually fix bugs or do anything with the game?

Because I think it would only take 1 example for corporate vidya to plainly see how retarded that is. Compliance would rapidly become the preferred strategy.

>>714955652
>my whole point holds on my personal memories of games that, if "killed", i had no reason to remember and how i hallucinate everyone's approach to video games over time

>>714955624
I already outlined them
>Game companies are greedy
Yes, all companies are greedy. If you want to change this that's a huge topic that has nothing to do with video games
>Game companies hate their consumers
This is actually big problem because it's not true but people have been led to believe it is. The vast majority of people who make games do not hate their consumers, why would they? People just get baited by Twitter screenshots of some blue-haired writer trying to push their agenda and think it reflects everyone
>Game companies are incompetent
Only way to change this is to become more competent

>>714955652
>It's a fucking video game, no one in 40 years is going to want to load up some old game no one could be bothered to play when it released.
you could literally make this exact argument for movies, tv shows, music and books and yet for all of these theres not just dedicated fans but entire companies specialised in preserving even the most underrated item of its time

>>714955801
>You don't think customer goodwill would be lost when this game that had a 5 year (from release) guarantee stops being supported halfway through year 2?
No? Happens all the time, games keep their official servers running long after development stopped

>>714955701
I don't think killing off games is inconsequential
>it would change nothing about the game industry
It would at least force them to have EoL plans for games so you, me and everyone else isn't fucked out of our purchases

>>714948002 (OP)
It's been fascinating watching the counter-shill campaign ramp up in real time after the corporations released their big statement. Don't they realize how fucking transparent it all is?

>>714955863
>I don't think killing off games is inconsequential
It is because the only games that get killed off are the ones nobody gives a shit about
You can't play Concord or Lawmakers, oh no, I'm geniunely upset

>>714955012
Stop talking shit about the unappreciated benefits of breathing lead and asbestos, what are you, a communist?

>NOOO YOU CAN'T OWN THE GAMES YOU PAID FOR, IT'S LITERALLY MODERN DAY SLAVERY TO OWN THINGS!

>>714955785
>If it mattered that much make your own copies of the games and upload them as torrents
that is more or less what we're trying to get the legal allowence to do retard

>>714955652
>I cant think of any game that I've wanted to play that is impossible to find now.
well then the initiative won't be a problem will it.

>>714955652
>actually things becoming lost media is fine

are you ready for rainbow happytalism ie your future /v/ or would you rather sign a petition to avert hell at least by a little bit?

>>714955092
>>714955153
Severe alcoholism will do that to your brain.

>>714955959
>we should perserve everything ever made
>I literally cannot stop consuming

>>714953071
Kys corporate boot licker

somebody is doing a gamergate.

>>714955983
Can you?

>>714955652
>It's a fucking video game, no one in 40 years is going to want to load up some old game no one could be bothered to play when it released.
Good goy. If everyone thought like you, we'd have literally nothing to play besides the most mainstream, normalfag friendly crap and anything older than a decade would be completely dropped. Hell, in media in general the only thing you'd be able to consume would be bottom of the barrel crap designed for the average Marvel watching drone.

>>714955852
Anon, we're talking about them specifically and maliciously waiting out the terms of their obligated support. Doing the barest of minimum while the customer now has a much plainer view of what the fuck is happening and why. The only reason game companies get away with that shit now is because people have the natural assumption that paying for a game means you get to keep it indefinitely. If you tell them to their face that's not the case, sales will suffer.

>>714955701
>Will this stop game companies being greedy,
in the way that is outlined, yes
>incompetent
it will in the way that is outline, yes
>or hating their consumers
no, but it will limit their ability to be hostile to the consumer

are you trying to rediscover the concept of a law?

>>714955898
It's the principle of the matter.
Sure no one may care about those games in particular but there are games that depend on central servers that people care about, hell this was started because of a game dying for no good reason.
Besides don't you think it would be better to just nip it in the bud now before things get even worse.

>>714955983
>>714955652
Agreed. We should always consume the new thing. Buy new thing, ignore old thing.
I have so many sheckels and I can't wait to spend them.

>>714955034
Outright lies and bad faith arguments.
Apparently there's an unspoken rule that you're supposed to argue with someone who is purposefully being retarded.

>>714956052
>maliciously waiting out the terms of their obligated support
do you even reread what you write and consider how ridiculous it sounds?
This LITERALLY happens ALL THE TIME with multiplayer games. Multiplayer game comes out, nobody plays it, development stops, they leave the servers up for a while just so the few people remaining can still play it. Nobody gets mad at this, there's nothing malicious about it

>>714955983
>we should perserve everything ever made
Ideally, yes. Even if it's just sitting somewhere untouched, it should still be preserved and available if someone should wish to find it. Better than letting things turn to dust the moment it falls out of the mainstream and there's no money in it anymore.

>>714956137
>Nobody gets mad at this
Thank god you cleared that up!

>>714955983
>>we should perserve everything ever made
yes
that is basic human nature
if you disagree you must be brown

>>714956064
It's hilariously naive that you think making a law against some tiny edge case will limit a companies motivation to be greedy

>>714948002 (OP)
Trvke. Its just like Thor said, SKG will get what it asked for, not what it wanted.

>>714956174
Life is ephemeral, people should accept this instead of trying to build sandcastles of media around them

>>714956208
>SKG will get what it asked for, not what it wanted
He really thought that line was great. He's ready to unload that again when some company dumps its staff and blames SKG

>>714956180
You would know this if you actually played games, because it really sounds like you don't

>>714956208
>inb4 it asked what it wanted

>>714956208
you don't even understand what Jason meant with that line. He did not mean that nothing will happen, he meant that it will bring doom

>>714956202
>either do all at once or do nothign
>can't do all at once? aww man guess i'll just have to keep fucking you in the ass at 100%

>>714956342
This isn't a small step in the right direction. It does nothing to address the problem of companies being greedy at all

>>714956208
>SKG will get what it asked for, not what it wanted
>thinks he's dropping bars
Go away, Jason. Imagine someone else said it, read it back and realise how dumb you sound.

>>714956202
>heh, you have one law, but people are still greedy and will fuck others over
Fuck, we lost so hard. Burn the legal code, the concept of laws is defeated.

>>714956208
ever heard of the expression our patience has it's limits. do we have to start reminding capitalists again?

>>714956412
Laws are great, this law just doesn't address any of the actual issues people have

>>714956469
It does

>>714956469
Are they? I'm browsing the legal code and it's addressing all of these problems I don't really have. Why do they even have these here?

>>714955815
You did not respond to the point. What is the real issue?:

>>714948002 (OP)
Honestly? This whole thing is starting to feel like Sarkeesian 2.0.

You all say it’s about ethics or accountability or consumer advocacy, but at the end of the day, it’s just another excuse to dogpile someone you don’t like. First it was “he hates Stop Killing Games,” then it’s “he cheated at Animal Well,” now it’s “he’s a furry and cried one time”? You’re not fighting for a cause. You’re flailing for reasons to justify being cruel.

Same exact tactics:
Take clips out of context
Spin every emotional reaction into “proof”
Invent some sinister hidden agenda
Make harassment sound like activism

Anita said games affected people and got doxxed for a decade. Jason said review bombing doesn't fix anything and now you want him to disappear from the internet. Only difference is the side of the aisle doing the screaming.

You turned SKG, which started as a genuinely good idea into yet another purity test. If you’re not 100% aligned with the mob, you’re evil. If you disagree publicly, you’re a grifter. If you try to defend yourself, it’s “cope.” This isn’t consumer advocacy. It’s just GamerGate with a new coat of paint.

Jason never shut down a game server. He didn’t scam anyone. He didn’t mistreat his team. He spoke up about bad-faith actors weaponizing SKG and now you’re trying to erase his whole career. What the hell is that?

You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.

Congrats, you’ve become the thing you claimed to fight.

>>714956521
No it doesn't. Nobody geniunely gives a shit about bad games that nobody plays being shut down. This is a way to punish game companies which they think are bad

>>714955735
>but that doesn't mean they can take away our option to play it!

Correct. Offline functionality should be considered going forward for game development.

Oh yeah, well what if [extremely specific scenario unlikely to ever be done in reality due to how absurdly difficult and expensive it is to create and maintain in the first place], then what SKGfags?

>>714956543
The real issues are what I posted

>>714956545
This isn't reddit.

>>714956469
>this law
which law?

>>714956634
the SKG proposal

>You sold a game.
>The buyer gets to keep it forever now.

>>714955815
If these are the real issues, how would you know a legislation we've yet to see fails to address them? Do you think the EU parliament is just a bunch of LLMs that chew the initiative and vomit it into a directive?

>>714956679
sounds good

>>714956551
>Nobody geniunely gives a shit about bad games
1.2 million of people voted for this. If projections are right it will have(WORST case scenario) 1.5M votes.
>This is a way to punish game companies which they think are bad
Nobody really punishes anyone. Game companies abused the holes in the laws which allow them to sell products as services, which is unfair for consumers and it is high time for this practice to go away

>>714956703
How would it address any of these issues?

>>714956575
None of what you listed is a issue? Please tell me how any of that is relevant.

>>714956726
>1.2 million of people voted for this.
Because they're pissed for the reasons stated, not because their copy of The Crew stopped working

>>714956729
I paused for a while, just to catch you pants down >>714955562
You don't have to be a Nostradamus, so you tell me.

>>714956760
People are mad at game companies so they're pushing this to try and punish them, not because they care about the actual issue being presented

>>714956679
YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW YOU RACIST SEXIST NAZI ENTITLED GAMER
THIS ISN'T SUSTAINABLE FOR THE POOR MULTI-BILLIONS DOLLARS COMPANIES, THEY'D GO BROKE MAKING A GAME THAT ISN'T ALWAYS ONLINE AND WOULDN'T REQUIRE HAVING SERVERS RUNNING 24/7
THOSE GAMES WOULD COST HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN DEVELOPMENT COST AND YOU'D HAVE TO PAY A GAME $80- NO $90 AT LEAST JUST FOR THEM TO RECOUP THE COST!
THIS IS EVIL! THIS IS JUST ANOTHER HOLOCAUST!!!

>>714956798
The issue is that people lose acces to games they paid for nothing more is that so hard to understand.

>>714956865
That's the presented issue bit it's not the real issue

>714956883
Would not be suprised if you were a bot

>>714956765
Because the service games they play can easily stop working one day and they have absolutely no say in how the EoS of those games will be handled. The petition is not about the crew

>>714957019
>The petition is not about the crew
that was the best example Ross could find, because this shit isn't actually an issue, they don't shut down games people are still playing

>>714953413
gdpr regulates the storage and usage of personal data
not eulas and what eulas can and can't do

>>714957076
Say, how would you feel if you didnt have breakfast this morning?

>>714957165
hungry

>>714953851
It's not a park anymore. It's a parking lot.

>>714957146
It's still technically correct. EULA's have to conform to GDPR.

>>714951825
>yeah let's make it more competitive by banning all options except one. makes sense
USB-C is not a copyrighted design you fucking idiot. Everyone can produce those connectors on their own. All Apple was doing was using proprietary designs so consumers would be forced to buy their overpriced replacements when their cheap plastic shit inevitably wore out.

>>714956545

>>714948002 (OP)
>don't push back against bad things
>just accept it and continue to be passive as things get worse and worse

>>714953658
It's actually easy to fix.
Extend the warranty for 2 to 5 years and making things obsolete too quickly won't be possible.

>>714953071
>no need to legislate a luxury good
Also no downside, unless you're the one making money off of it.

>>714955362
I wanted to keep playing Rumbleverse though

>>714957265
in 5 words or less explain to me why it's bad to want things to get worse?

>>714957328
>Also no downside
imposing restrictions on creativity

>>714957184
Great, so you understand hypotheticals. Now what if instead of the crew it was your favourite game that would be remotely disabled

>>714957191
>then let me replicate the park
>no you must buy tickets for park 2 goy edition

>>714955153
>He's essentially right
No he's not. Ross doesn't play games? I guess that fits with him having dozens of videos of him playing games, his years of making Machinima videos based on popular games, and doing other stuff like trying to compile a huge list of game recommendations or describing graphical and audio bugs and their fixes in detail. He's "self-serving"? Every second of the initiative has been him sticking his neck out for the common good while saying that he wishes someone else would step up and begging people not to harass an incredibly obnoxious, lying streamer. Even his "new breed" comment ignores the fact that Ross has been making videos for almost 2 decades and has been talking about video game preservation for like half that time. "Hates modern games"? I guess that's why he bought the Crew and Crew 2.

You are either a retard or a shill.

>>714957360
Unlikely to happen because they only disable games that people don't play anymore

>>714957353
>imposing restrictions on creativity
Limitation breeds creativity though.
Oh wait, we aren't actually talking about artistic creativity, only about criminal creativity! Well, though luck honey.

>>714957353
the creativity to run a game off of a server with no backup should you wish to take the servers down?

>>714957395
Do you know what "essentially" means?

>>714957353
So do laws against murder. How do I express my displeasure without murdering?

>>714951114
Wasted metal, wasted plastic, wasted resource to handle all the e-waste. A proprietary shit-cable is just one entire waste, especially when USB-C is clearly superior. That's why common sense regulation like this is made.

>>714957413
Yeah we should ban all colors except red, that would make people more creative

>>714957353
ah yes the creativity of not adding an extra option for no other consistenly demonstrated poprouse but planned obsolescience

>>714957398
>but i had breakfast

>>714957216
Your EULA can't contain a database of people's personal information. GDPR protects against that.

>>714954972
Thanks for the help, unfortunately it's not any of those two.

I remember it being some kind of inphografic (just one page), very simiplified with just 16 or so key poinst about videogame related objetives in the image. And it being in orange and pink colours. Someone posted it in the last couple of days but can't find it unfortunately.

>>714957418
>>714957458
You could make game experiences that are like performance art, that you can experience once and not experience again

>>714948002 (OP)
>> literally anything will change except for the publishers adding an extra paragraph to the EULA.
>I like this game I’ll buy it
>OHHHH it needs some third party EA always online drm? nvm I’ll just pirate lol
Steam’s “this shit has drm” notification caused me to skip a number of purchases. I think it’ll be largely the same here

>>714957497
that would qualify as a service which SKG isn't seeking to ban or restrict in any way

>>714957474
You have to weigh the positives against the negatives
Because the hypothetical scenario has a low probability, the positives of a law against it are small

>>714957497
Sure, no problem, if you tell me that beforehand.

>>714957432
It means you're a lying two faced cunt.

>>714957432
I do know what "essentially" means and his entire post is focused on Ross without even mentioning the characteristics of the movement. The only thing even close to it is "his proposals are laughably stupid" Your interpretation is retarded.

>>714957489
Does your GDPR protect from this bitch boy?

>>714957540
>>714957550
SKG is seeking to restrict all games in that when the service ends you have to provide a way for the player to continue having it

>>714957353
You can also create and distribute a malware or a scam, should those be unrestricted as well because it affects creativity?

it's time to teach capitalism a lesson they will never forget. gamers rise up

>>714952746
Basically: Fish
EU enforces common fishing; for the purposes of fishing, all member states economic waters are treated as one common area so you can fish in other countries waters without hindrance. Greenland, Iceland and Faroe Islands economy is like 80% fish (rest is tourism) Having a bunch of french fishermen come and fish all their fish would in short destroy their economy.
This is also not a completely insignificant reason as to why brexit happened.

>>714957497
that's called having no replayability as a choice of different focus
or at least people who play games call it that
or at leas anyhting but whatever your not playing games ass chose to word it as

>>714957592
No, it isn't. Games like F2P MMOs clearly fall under the category of 'service' in EU law. They won't be treated like products.

This whole line of defense that everithing can be solved through consciencious consumption only serves to prevent every non-prime issue from being solved.
People buy and don't buy games 90%+ based on two things, quality and price.
You are never, ever going to make a dent on any other issue through consciencious consumption, because the great majority of people will only care about those two things when they buy games.
This is why microtransactions are infesting single player games, why killswitches are tolerated, why performance killing drm is tolerated.
People who appeal for consciencious consumption as the sole solution of problems fundamentally don't want the problems solved or don't think they are problems.
In some cases I'm even inclined to agree with them, but not on killing games. This is about game preservation.

>>714957653
Point me to part of SKG where it says "services" are exempt from this because i dont see it

>>714957653
not him but what about MMOS where you have to buy an expansion?

>>714953071
Why not both? I haven't bought an ubislop game in 15 years. Still in favor of this.

>>714957701
Right here buddboy

>>714957578
He's not allowed to carry around a server with my personal information improperly stored

>>714957816
What you gonna do about it report me?

>>714957348
Bad things are bad.

>>714957869
alright where do i sign you've convinced me

>>714957398
And what if people stopped playing the game you like

great, another off-topic schizo

>>714957859
I will file an information request to the crab and request my information to be deleted

>>714957932
Not a chance cause my game is good and fun

>>714957973
actually i think your game sucks and i'm going to organize a campaign to get the developers to ruin it

>>714957932
/v/ does not like video games

>>714958029
i'll find out where you live and kill you before that can happen piratesoftware

>>714957973
>but I had breakfast this morning

>>714949743
TPBP

>>714952570
>Best case scenario they'll throw in a "the servers will be active for at least one year after release" into the license agreement
I'm not paying full MSRP for one year's access, and you don't get to call your product a 'game'.

>>714958513
You people are retarded. Then they won't call their product a game. It's like your brains were replaced with toxic sludge, unable to do any critical thinking at all.

>>714953865
At least then you know what you are getting. If you still buy it it's your own fault.

>>714958697
If you buy it now it's your own fault.

>>714951805
The EU is extremely based when it comes to consumer protection. I hope that videogame publishers got the EU's full attention and get regulated out of the ass. All those microtransactions, lootboxes, always online singleplayer and fake currencies ingame must stop.

>>714953649
I pay for access to your park for an indeterminate amount of time with a single, one-off payment. You don't stipulate the duration of the service in your contract and cannot legally terminate my contract for any reason not in breach with the contract terms. If you terminate the contract on grounds that it is no longer profitable for you, I am entitled to reimbursement inasmuch as I have paid you for access to the park.

>>714954736
>literally who has an opinion on xitter
am I supposed to recognize this person

>>714955735
Was Anthem a subscribtion with monthly paiments? Was it sold as a single purchase product? It they sold it as a single purchase product fuck them they should either give people back their money or give the game singleplayer functionality/dedicated servers.

>>714957701
>where it says "services" are exempt
what services. your unfinished SBMM cancer skins slop?

>>714958573
If you people were more transparent on the kind of 'service' you are offering to consumers, then the price point and sales would better reflect the actual value of your product.

>Its international news now
the corpos cant contain this now

Lets not forget pirate said he got swatted twice over this, and thats unhinged
Even more than the mass review bomb of games from a company he worked at

>>714958967
No they won't because of retards that can be found aplenty on this board who call people poorfags when they don't blindly spend hundreds of dollars on games no matter the retardation level.

>>714959017
And we know it's true because he's a government hacker and he used to be a pro dev at Blizzard, where he was beloved by everyone, including his dad, because of his deep manly voice he got after his seventh puberty.

>>714958991
Does anyone here actually believe the EU would give a flying fuck about video games?
This will hit the desk at some 78 year old politician and be promptly thrown out because there's thousands of bigger issues to worry about.

>>714953697
>by relentlessly harassing their self-described enemies
nigga browses /v/ and /pol/ and posts screencaps of 4chan posts in his discord, even if /v/ somehow managed to keep a completely clean slate, he could just (and probably does) make them himself.

falling off harder than last time

>>714956208
>I hope bad things happen for everyone including myself to spite people I disagree with.
>I do not wish that my concerns and worries regarding the initiative turn out not to be a big deal. I want the very reason that I did not support the initiative to be completely true. I know that it's happening, and it can't be stopped, and I really hope things go badly.
What did he mean by this?

>>714955785
Won't help you with no servers.

>>714959149
Good thing that's not a petition but a citizen initiative, which involve the party making the initiatve to talk directly at the EC.

>>714959215
>attack the subject not the person
Isnt this the guy who called ross an 'used car salesman' ?

>>714959317
Then hope that Ross knows how to speak Israeli, that's all they listen to.

>>714948002 (OP)
Libtard commie lost again lol

>>714959149
>This will hit the desk at some 78 year old politician
this isnt the US
we arnt funding the most expensive retirement home in the world

>>714958991
Nice. We unironically need a bigger push so we can get an even wider reach.

>>714959452
PirateSoftware is a corpo Republican

>>714959149
>Does anyone here actually believe the EU would give a flying fuck about video games?
They gave a fuck when they forced Valve into refunds. This is as much about videogames as it is about consumer protection. Videogame publishers have been action without any oversight for too long.

>>714959452
>owning things is communist

>>714959557
Australia did that dumbass. Europeans don't have souls, they exported them all centuries ago to greener pastures.

>>714959215
>he is actually reading these threads
>that slipup was real
holy shit holy fucking shit he is so unbelivably mad

>>714952570
I know how to fix this stuoid fucking arguement. If its a licence, it has to be a cloud ran game (fuck you corpo nigger), if you download the complete software its yours to do with as you please. Mp ran games do not require accounts but can access mp with ip like they did back in the old days. If they ban your ip, gdt fucked. Learn to get good and get a new ip instead making an alt account like a dumb nigger.

>>714959405
They dont listen to israelis here(at least to some degree). Eu parliament prepares sanctions against Israel for gaza rn

>>714959452
>ibtard
>commie
pick one retard

>>714959662
ONLY CHOSEN PEOPLE BY GOD HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN THINGS BECAUSE IT WAS PROMISED TO THEM 30000 YEARS AGO AND YOU OWNING ANYTHING IS ANTI-SEMITISM!

>>714959758
[citation needed]

>>714953524
>People criticize you online
>Claim you've been sent death threats and provide no proof of said threats
Oldest deflecting trick in the book

>>714953524
QUICK, POST DEATH THREATS TOWARD PIRATE, I'LL START
>m

>>714959948
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/eu-lawmakers-urge-suspension-of-israels-association-agreement-ahead-of-foreign-ministers-meeting/3625367#
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/eu-prepares-sanctions-options-as-pressure-on-israel-grows/3622888

>>714954927
Narcissists will NEVER admit they're wrong or did something wrong. Never.

>>714959685
>Europeans don't have souls
Meanwhile most Americans live in Towns that look like this

test

WTF???? I thought EU were the good guys??

>>714948002 (OP)
>open gelbooru for a quick wack
>site is literally begging to sign this shit
FUCK
OFF

>>714948002 (OP)
>if renting isn't ownership, then squatting is not theft
This is how fucking stupid you SKGfags sound.

>>714960370
>nothing kills my boner like the mention of consumer rights
this is what we'll never be alike in

>>714960370
We won.
We have the power of anime and porn on our side. Stop kicking and screaming and just sign the bloody initiative already.

>>714960259
soulful as fuck. endless horizons.
shoot any movie in those surroundings and the soulfulness goes up by 20

>>714954927
He has actual real narcissistic personality disorder. As in his personality is so abysmal it's actively detrimental to every aspect of his life. This is what clinically separates a regular narcissistic guy from a guy with a diagnosis - one functions normally and the other is so far gone, he fucks himself over and ruins his life. So no, he won't ever admit he was wrong on anything.

>>714960490
imagine watching that hot anime babe getting railed while signing a consumers right petition.
hot stuff.

>>714960541
yeah, if the movie is a subtle critic to a fragmented society of wageslaves regretting ever growing up

>>714960660
Even when getting fucked, she's worried about her consumer rights.
You should try and be like her, bootlicker.

>>714959662
You can own things under communism. It's called personal property and it's distinct from private property. The one is for your own personal use, the other is strictly means of production. Your game is a personal property and it's protected under communism. It's wild to me that people still parrot 50s propaganda.

>>714960728
no bro I'm on your side, its pretty hot.

>>714960893
Can we have more babes supporting the petition while shagging?

>>714959369
He also completely misunderstood the argument even with big letters explaining what the movement is about in simple terms so he never attacked it at all

>>714960810
We have mutts talking about how consumer rights are literally communism and the one thing that gets your panties get caught in a twist is the distinction between private property and personal property?

>>714954927
No, from what we have seen of him I believe he has actual NPD. He's a compulsive liar, but he himself probably genuinely believes he is right.

>>714959743
KEK
When will he stop raping ferrets?

>>714961018
i think what gets the twist in this case is mutts generally not knowing what communism is

>>714960958
we could, for the price of a commission

>>714961101
Their masters have domesticated them well.

>>714951114
yes, we need to go back to this.

>>714954971
>Developers could hand over the code, schemas and configurations to the community
So if e.g. League of Legends shuts down, Riot would not only have to make a custom server binary, but also document how to connect a client and a database to the server, and give information on the DB schema so people could make new accounts on a fresh DB.
What about proprietary DB code? And wouldn't this potentially expose vulnerabilities in their other online games?

>>714951114
only zoomers who never owned a DS would say this
>every fucking model comes with a different charger

>>714961370
Dota somehow doesn’t have this problem. Figure it out lmao.

>>714961084
Bro thinks the natural ferret miasma, which any other ferret owner will tell you absolutely reeks, actually smells good
Hes far too gone to ever stop

>>714961084
Who among us hasn't at least considered raping a ferret?
They're nature's cocksocks.

>>714961370
>wouldn't this potentially expose vulnerabilities in their other online games?
Why do people think this is a legit argument? You shouldn't be having vulnerabilities to begin with and if you do, security by obscurantism isn't real security. If anything, the community noticing the issue and fixing it makes that job easier for the devs.

>>714961573
STOP RAPING FERRETS, MALDAVIUS

>>714948002 (OP)
Literally nothing will change. The EU is a lobbyist organization by design. People should stop voting for pro-eu parties and outright boycott all game publishers that fuck everything up.

>>714961018
The irony is owning things is communism, because capitalism works tirelessly on depriving the people from any form of ownership, while under communism your rights for your personal property are protected. So yes, not owning shit is the pinnacle of capitalism and owning things is communism. It's quiet literally just red scare propaganda that convinced generations of tards that communism = you don't own anything. The current state of things is pure cosmic irony

>>714948002 (OP)
YOU LOST

>>714961670

>>714961680
Sadly a based take

>>714948002 (OP)
Same
Tiny little thing in eula or maybe the back cover:
>product guaranteed to be playable only until 2026
And people will be outraged at first. But since most games will be playable and supported past that 1 year thing, the outrage will die away and it'll be seen as boilerplate wording.
Nudging a mountain (rather than moving it entirely) is still impressive.

>>714960464

>>714961670
EU doesn't like tech and has been making moves towards consumer protections on digital goods or regulating predatory transactions so I think there's a decent chance they will force some concessions unless game publishers somehow manage to convince the EU the regulation would impact dairy farmers somehow.

>>714962013
The EU loves regulations and fucking with the regular people. If they can fuck you, they will fuck you. That's why I think that whatever they do, it'll be to protect the video games europe or whatever that lobbyist organization is. It's a gream movement, but stillborn. We have to boycott any and all publishers that don't comply with it, because the EU wants us to own nothing and be happy. A.K.A. the EU's agenda is exactly Big Corpo agenda

>>714961917
>release game
>have to write the explicit warning 72 font size that the game is only supported for 1 year on the screen of purchase
>6 peak concurrent users
>have to support it for a year instead of shutting it down next week

>>714957643
>This is also not a completely insignificant reason as to why brexit happened.
Yet the scots wanted to stay.

>>714962318
The Scots were never the smartest of the bunch. Brexit proved it

>>714962241
>there's a chance that EU won't help so we better not even try and keep getting fucked by corpos

>>714962241
EU pretty easily fucked it’s own agriculture for consumer rights, despite the lobby.

I WILL OWN MY GAMES
PUBLISHERS WILL SUPPORT MY GAMES FOREVER IF THEY WANT TO SELL ME A LICENSE
STEAM,GOG,EGS AND UPLAY WILL HAVE TO EXIST FOREVER IF THEY WANT TO REMAIN AS STOREFRONTS
I WILL MAKE THEM MY PRISONERS

>>714962371
No, boycott, don't buy EA, Ubisoft or whatever slop they try to give you. Fuck them where it counts, in their revenue. The EU will only do stuff that hurt you, period. And no amount of Eurofunded propaganda can disprove this simple rule.

>>714961939
>food analogy

>>714962454
>don't buy EA, Ubisoft or whatever slop they try to give you
I already don't, I haven't done that for 15 fucking years and they still shat up video games for everyone.

>>714962375
It fucked it's own agriculture exactly because of lobbying.

>>714962454
Can you give one example in the last 20 years where voting with your wallet has actually worked and brought any positive change to any industry?

>>714962510
>agriculture lobby lobbies for harsher requirements for agriculture sector
Huh

>>714962506
Because there are morons that still do. Boycotts need to be massive. Look at China. When they don't like something, they stop buying it and as a result we have stop dumps

>>714962554
I like how you have considered that voting with your wallet worked, you are just the minority who gets salty you aren't part of the market that matters?

>>714962582
>just mind control goyillions of normalcattle or accept everything getting shittier
Nah, I think I'll just sign the petition.

>>714962578
> He thinks all lobbying is done in publicly

>>714960183
I am convinced he's actually a full blown sociopath.

>>714962554
Bud Light

>>714960259
>mentally broken Euro collapses into unironic tumblr rhetoric

>>714962554
And you give me an example of a good EU policy. I'll wait for the next five threads, don't worry

>>714948002 (OP)
If nothing were going to change, you wouldn't be desperately scrambling to make all these demotivational threads

>>714962738
USB-C standardisation

>>714962738
Apple USB-C

>>714962738
Literally all of those squeezing american corpo balls

>>714953071
you can do both instead of just taking it up the ass like a good goy

>>714962767
>>714962772
>lmao just cripple the superior thunderbolt because android can't sort its shit out

>>714948002 (OP)

They’re Redditors. They thought a three day “blackout” protest two years ago would cause Reddit to let them keep apis. When it predictably failed they were shocked. They got the IQ of an NFT. Leave em be

>>714953697
>y-you see, there was someone sending some hatemail around, so it's all your fault, every single one of you!
typical corporate shill
kill yourself

>>714962738
GDPR (even though the industry lobby neutered it from opt-in to opt-out)

>>714962837
>superior
I am sure you can substantiate your claims

>>714962837
>superior thunderbolt
>stuck at USB 2.0 speeds

>>714962647
Ok, the please do tell which EU corporations, sectors or any other economical entities apart from consumers obviously profit from harsher regulations on agriculture

Skin americans alive. Decapitate americans, piss in an american's food (it's still legal to sell there lmao). Laugh as the ATF shoots an american's puppy. Rip americans' spines out. Celebrate american shootings.

>>714962837
Don't worry anon. Keep simping for the corps and I'm sure one day they'll make you a CEO

>>714962918
>Most sane EU shill

>>714962873
>opt-out
>bad
no hablo burger

>>714963004
If a CEO said all that you'd say it was based

I'm Apple's CEO and I firmly believe that we should skin americans alive. Decapitate americans, piss in an american's food (it's still legal to sell there lmao). Laugh as the ATF shoots an american's puppy. Rip americans' spines out. Celebrate american shootings.

>>714963042
>>714962918 here, I can confirm that I am CEO at the business factory.

>>714963091
>>714963096
wtf, based? why do eurocucks want to stop this?

>>714953287
so the seller can remote detonate your car? oh wait, they did that for farmers to a lesser extent

>>714962837
>thunderbolt
Always had standard connector. Mini-DP in early versions and USBC since 2016. Shitty lightning cable got fucked and good riddance because it was trash.

> People not realising the only one that will do anything for the movement are the Communists

>>714959685
The EU supported that, which is what gave Steam pause because the markets share of Australia and Europe combined was more than they could handle losing.

>>714962873
Anon you just have to click “reject all” I know it’s not highlighted the same way “accept all” is but still. You can even install extension that will click reject all for you

>>714963174
>why do eurocucks want to stop this?
because it's not communism, that's why

>>714963307
> EU propaganda true at work

>>714957458
>implying your red is the same as mine
lmao

Skin Eurocrats alive. Decapitate Eurocrats, piss in an Eurocrat's food (it's still legal to sell there lmao). Laugh as the muslims stab and bomb people. Rip Eurocrats' spines out. Celebrate Eurocracia's fall into degeneracy.

>>714963091
sanest eurocvck
>>714963091
I KNEEL CEO SAMA!
>>714963626
sanest americvck

>>714963626
>Laugh as the muslims stab and bomb people
You mean like 9/11?

>>714963818
Bush isn't muslim.

>>714963861
True, but if you suggest any of the obvious psyops and falseflags committed on american soil were actually psyops and falseflags you'll get arrested or put into debt slavery.
Freedom btw.

>>714963932
Lard of the free.

Remember kids, never say anything against the regime(EU), or you will be the star in a tragic news article involving an unidentified migrant attack

>>714964139
I've been shit talking the EU on non-anonymous social media for over ten years though?

>>714964139
You mean like the school shootings?

>>714964237
no no something islamophobic

>>714964301
like the vegas shooting?

>>714963392
Except where there is not "reject all" and you have to click "only essential" after having to go to another window where it's hidden somewhere in the corner

>>714963392
>>714963036
Yeah the original plan for GDPR was opt-in, meaning the user had to explicitly opt-in to allow cookies. the industry watered it down to opt-out instead. meaning if you you don't explicitly tell them no (reject all) they'll gather all data they can on you. If the original proposal had been implemented, you could just block those pop ups entirely and it would be the same as reject all. Currently if you just block them and don't press reject all it's the same as allow all.

>>714960301
>Decryption. Next year, the EU Commission is set to present a Technology Roadmap on encryption to identify and evaluate decrypting solutions. These technologies are expected to equip Europol officers from 2030.
Unless the EU invents viable quantum computers in the next 5 years, I don't know what the fuck they expect.

>>714952958
This. The funny green line MUST go up and up, never down under any circumstance

>>714965216
The green line must not simply go up for all eternity, it must go up faster and faster. If the green line goes up any slower, the shareholders might not be happy, and then everyone loses their jobs.

>>714953524
>got swatted twice
>streams 20 hours a day
>none of that was caught on stream
Drat, what a cohencidence.

>>714965303
These people can't be so retarded they don't realize the funny line can't go up forever

>>714965345
You'd be surprised.

>>714965313
it happened while he was getting hit by a second puberty so he wasn't streaming

>>714953413
I voluntary do not agree with any EULA also not legally binding