Holy shit, it's shit!

You know what they say, all penises cum on OP.

You make-a mario a-sad!

>>714954195 (OP)
it's really quite awful, the fans might be even worse

>>714954195 (OP)
Learn to spin jump gay boy

>>714955445
it wont fix such a shit game

>>714954195 (OP)
skill issue

>>714955658
it's just a bad game, retard

>>714954195 (OP)
Those secrets though

>>714955445
The controls aren't the issue. It's the level design that ruins the game.

>30 FPS
dropped

The fans of this game are the same fans of Sonic games for the past couple decades. The colloquial everyone KNOWS those games are mediocre ranging to dogshit, but there's always a demographic for dogshit.

>>714955707
Or maybe you're just a bad player, ever thought of that?

I have completed every game 100%
64 was also one of the first games I ever played
these are the objective rankings

odyssey>sunshine>64≥galaxy 2>3d world>galaxy

odyssey is perfect, it's the best parts of 64 and sunshine on steroids and refined along with having a plethora of new amazing things, I honestly could not want more from a video game

sunshine is amazing and none of the parts people bitch about are even a problem, exploring the comfy levels looking for blue coins and finding creative ways to use your amazing moveset to collect them and take shortcuts is fucking fun

64 is great but it really starts shitting the bed once you get upstairs, most of the levels after that point are frustrating and terrible

galaxy 2 suffers from the completely neutered movement mechanics of the first game but it's so consistently creative and amazingly designed I put it on par with the first three, it also never frustrated me at any point like 64
it basically has no bad parts at all but I can't overlook the awful movement mechanics, it just utilizes them much better than galaxy

3d world actually has better mechanics than the galaxies and is fun to move around in, but not nearly to the extent of the top 3 and while the levels are fun they really just don't give the same kind of satisfaction
it's basically a 2d Mario but in 3D, which is fun but pretty empty feeling compared to galaxy 2 which I think did the more focused and linear stuff with way more soul to the point I prefer it
it also gets annoying towards the end with shittier levels similar to 64 and also has autoscrollers which are cancer

galaxy is absolutely the worst, it is so fucking boring I could barely 120 star it even a single time
it has the terrible mechanics but also empty half baked levels because they weren't willing to commit like they did in galaxy 2 and it's just a chore to play most of the time
rosalina and the storybook are what redeem it but a boring slog is all it is as a game

>>714956871
Sunshinefags will just use nebulous terms like "comfy" and "frutiger aero" rather than defend the objectively abysmal level design in their beloved game.

The main problem is that it consists of 10% action-platforming, and 90% either retarded minigames (see lilypad mission, rollercoaster rocket missions, watermelon, blooper ride, all the repeated boss fights, etc) or "where the fuck do I go" kind of levels. 64 an the 2 galaxies have a way better mix of core gameplay levels and variety levels. Also, that 10% of actual platforming in sunshine is made mostly trivial by the game's core gimmick which is the fludd. The fludd allows for a wide list of retarded minigames but at the same time hinders the core gameplay because it makes it too easy and makes you skip the entire level. That's why the best parts of the games are the secret levels where they take the fludd away from you (which in the context of the game feel like minigames too btw)

>>714956871
Odyssey is sovlless though

>>714954195 (OP)
era where nintendo started to make games for babies

>>714957058
Storywise, yes

>>714954195 (OP)
Filtered. Many such cases. All I can say is learn how to play video games.

>>714956946
It's a good and fun challenge for people who don't suck at video games.

>>714956949
Also, what the fuck were they thinking with only 7 actual levels where you can't choose the order of the missions? Might as well make it completely linear and make me do all of bianco hills, then all of ricco harbor etc. 64 had 15 and gave you pretty much full freedom with the order of the missions, and basically let you skip the ones you found annoying if you wanted to just beat bowser. Sunshine forces you to beat all the minigame shit otherwise you can't complete the game. Also what the FUCK is up with the shadow mario missions? Absolutely low effort filler

>>714956227
This isn't the play you think it is. You are in love with a shitty game, with bad controls, bad camera, bad movement tech, dumb fucking water pistol, cringe low resolution compressed cutscenes, repetitive mission objectives, terrible level design, padding out the wazoo,

you know the game is bad when the best parts are the special stages when the water pack is removed from you, and you know the game is bad when those are fucked up by the existence of shit like chucksters, and Mario's lack of acceleration. You tilt the joystick and Mario is full speed no matter what. What does that remind you of? Sonic the Hedgehog. Sunshine is like if Nintendo made a Sonic game, and it fucking sucks for it.

>>714956871
>amazing moveset
>64 with bad movement
>with spin jump instead of long jump
yikes

>>714954195 (OP)
playing all the games back to back, this is the worst one. somehow even the galaxy games felt like they had less gimmickshit and they were all about waggle shilling then

>>714956871
you forgot 3d land

How did the manage to perfectly nail 3D platformer controls first try with mario 64, just to pretty much fuck it up completely with sunshine?

>>714954195 (OP)
>Another controversy marketing Nintendo threads

doot doot doot, do do doooot, OOOOOH

>>714956871
Everything you say about Galaxy is true of Sunshine. Ain't gonna be no 100%ing that game at all. The mechanic of a slow as molasses jetpack gimmick, the levels being variations of a beach, the trite nonsense missions in that linear structure, it has no redeeming qualities.

>Want to replay a game
>remember THAT part
Mario Sunshine is like that, but it's the entire fucking game. For every shine you do that is enjoyable there's a sequence of three god awful ones.

>>714954195 (OP)
Oh my God, he's God!

Having fun yet?

All toasters toast toast

Literally how the fuck were you supposed to know to click the button to go into first person and look directly at the sun?
>The pinatas are clearly looking bro, that directly translates into standing in the middle of the beam, swapping into first person, and directly pointing your camera at a specific spot in the sky
No other level in the game does this shit

>>714958685
You already looked directly at the sun in Mario 64 so Nintendo probably figured you'd remember.

>>714958685
If you ever played pic related then that's a clue right there.
Without the prior knowledge of Mario 64? Yeah you're fucked.

>>714958685
You're the reason they keep dumbing down games

>>714957382
>with bad controls, bad movement tech
Sunshine movement actually feels fantastic once you understand Mario's full range of abilities, you just have to master it, which isn't hard to do
>bad camera
Oh no, the camera is bad in one(1) mission, guess we better cancel the whole game
>dumb fucking water pistol
Are we really going to pretend that having a water pistol that turns into jetpack, a rocket and a turbo propeller is bad now?
>cringe low resolution compressed cutscenes
Mario having an ambitious story with full voice acting was a good thing, if anything, it's a shame that later games abandoned that direction entirely
>repetitive mission objectives
Most are unique aside from the shadow mario ones
>terrible level design
You mean soulful levels that combine realistic environments with well crafted 3D platforming challenges

>>714958768
how were you supposed to know in Mario 64?

>>714955713
Loved those stages, remember wishing the whole game was like that

>>714954195 (OP)
I liked it fine when I played as a kid. Only thing I remember being a bit dissapointed by is the fact that the whole game has the sameish theme.

>>714958685
I remember this beam thing, but I can't remember which level it takes you to. Was it the water level, or was it just a one off special stage?

>>714955776
>console

>>714958984
>Sunshine movement actually feels fantastic once you understand Mario's full range of abilities, you just have to master it, which isn't hard to do
That isn't remotely true, he feels like shit to move around, spinjump is no skill backflip option, the water jetpack is slow and only extends jumps. So what in the fuck are you talking about dumbass.

>>714958998
Some random kid had a strategy guide and that stuff got around in the schoolyard.

>>714956871
>rosalina and the storybook are what redeem it
you don't play video games

>>714958984
The fucking camera is an object that gets stuck on level geometry. It's not exclusive to one level it will be an issue the entire game length. Are we really going to pretend that the water jetpack has any place in a 3D platformer.

God damn it no. Each level has several red coin missions. Each level is cluttered with shit to stick your camera on. Acquire taste and stop defending your shitty childhood.

>>714955776
60fps patch that even works on modded wiis, homie

>>714956871
>odyssey better than anything
(you)

>>714957058
Odyssey is the most soulful game ever made. NDC Festival alone is more soulful than all other games made that gen combined.

>>714956946
and are you gonna attack the objecively bad level design or just make nebulous statements about its quality too?

>>714957382
>cringe low resolution compressed cutscenes
out of all the thing to complain about thats one of the only good things

>>714959863
NTA each level is a variation of beach. They're littered with level geometry that the camera gets stuck on. Shines can only be tackled in linear sequence, multiple red coin missions, so one level is like red coins in the water, watermelon, red coins on the sand bird, shadow mario chase, wriggler fight. If you like wriggler then tough shit, do all that gay shit just to play the one objective you like on beach #2. The geometry in the level, flat oblong shapes, do your spin jump and hold your water gun until you slowly arrive on top a mirror. Levels are so poorly designed, that only one of the linear missions offer enough coins to get the coin sprite, guess correctly asshole! What kind of level is just poison lilly pad, or pachinko machine anyway, god awful physics that waste your time for one shinesprite before it's off to beach #4.

>>714959129
bro...what...the..Fuck.

>>714960174
>each level is a variation of beach
Nigger, that's like complaining that Mario Galaxy takes place in space

>>714960519
space is gay

>>714959863
The levels are mostly flat beaches with a few structures sprinkled on top, so it's a platformer with minimal platforming. The only meat is in graffiti worlds but they're just random assets strung together in a line, and half of those rely on stupid gimmicks too.

The only real platforming in an actual environment is that first section of Corona Mountain. It's a brief glimpse into an alternate universe where SMS was good and Fludd was incorporated into the design instead of a Get Out of Jail Free card

What was the point of the turbo nozzle? Do you even use it once in the main story?

>>714959683
It works on GC too, but you get framedrops.
It's pretty clear the game was designed around 60fps but when the GC CPU got cut from 600MHz to 486Mhz, the framedrops were too much

>>714961107
The Bowser fight always felt rushed to me, like their real intention was a fight where you needed to use all the nozzles at certain points, including the turbo one. Never mind how anticlimactic it is when Bowser is just sitting in a tub through the whole thing.