Thread 714954271

>You WILL run your live service game forever
>You WILL NOT shut it down no matter how unprofitable it is
>This IS good for the games industry, somehow

>>714954271 (OP)
Maldavius, you know that's not what he said.

>>714954271 (OP)
You WILL pretend to not understand the conversation for imaginary corporate GBP

>>714954271 (OP)
The mold will consume your lying tongue

>>714954271 (OP)
>Make up mental gymnastics about what you think a subject is about and fabricate fake scenarios
>Get it completely wrong
>Double down on being a retard when being corrected
Yawn, next thread.

I find it funny how these same lies are now even being said by those companies lobbying against SKG and will be used against them later.

>>714954271 (OP)
Well yeah, its a live service it can't go down

>>714954378
>>714954426
>>714954427
>>714954454
>>714954463
All these replies and not one refuting the point. What is the point of SKG then? This is exactly what the movement entails.

>>714954610
I don't know. I'm actually a part of SFF, the Stop Fucking Ferrets movement.

>>714954610
Consumer advocacy.

>>714954271 (OP)
Retard
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.capcom.rxdoff&hl=en

>>714954610
Read their damn page you useful idiot, they address the exact arguments you regurgitate.
>Y-YOU HURT MY FEEFEES I WILL NOT!!!
Kill yourself

>>714954610
The point you tried to make Jason has nothing to do with the initative, you made it all up.

>>714954726
Literally how is it wrong? So many people stating that's wrong without bothering to refute it. Protip: you can't refute it, because that is literally what the movement is asking for.

>>714954271 (OP)
Get better ragebait. You have to be an industry plant or just willingly ignorant to believe this is what is being said.

>>714954803
>because that is literally what the movement is asking for.
>literally
screenshot the words from the initative page.

>>714954610
Here you go, nigger:
>run live service forever
>not shut it down
neither are required as per SKG, what is however required is that when they do shut it down they leave an option to the game dev's choice, as long as it is left in a playable state, open so that people who bought the game still have access to what they bought.

>>714954271 (OP)
>>714954610
Jason still seething

>>714954851
Why don't you screenshot the initiative page.

>>714954610
Why don't you refute the point of something that's made up is some plutonium grade retarded faggotry.

>>714954906
Cause you're larping as Jason and I'm shitposting, neither of us really care about this topic.
The small effort that it takes is too much for any of this.

>>714954610
Are you telling me you don't actually understand what it says on Stop Killing Games page? Please never vote anything.

>>714954803
>>714954906
Here are two screenshots. Now sit down, go to their page, read it and get an educated opinion instead of trying to absorb what this shit about basing on posts you like and don't like.

>>714954271 (OP)
>nooo game companies should be allowed to hide all the content behind a constant paywall and then just take away everything you paid for

>>714954891
Possible options:
>design game so that it can be played offline as well
>design game so that when it shuts down you have a version of the game with limited features
>design a game so that when the official server is shut down the players can host their own server by binaries given by the developer, this would require the developers to renegotiate middleware contracts
>design a game so that when the official server is shut down the community can create a replacement server with the documentation on how the server should work
>design a game that has community servers from the getgo
And many more.

>>714955049
There is nothing those screenshots that prove me wrong. Circular reasoning doesn't suddenly mean that the movement isn't asking for what it is really asking for.

>>714954803
>>714954610
>>714954271 (OP)
>guy is larping as le eceleb
You cant make this shit up lmao

>>714954271 (OP)
Give it up, faggot. You lost. Corpo cucks lost. Ross won. Chads won.

>>714954271 (OP)
Plague thread. Kill all spammers.

>>714954610
>It's not the "Keep games alive" initiative, and it's not the "Save dying games" initiative. It's the "Stop killing games" initiative.

>>714955160
>>You WILL run your live service game forever
>>You WILL NOT shut it down no matter how unprofitable it is
> No, we are not asking that at all. We are in favor of publishers ending support for a game whenever they choose. What we are asking for is that they implement an end-of-life plan to modify or patch the game so that it can run on customer systems with no further support from the company being necessary. We agree that it is unrealistic to expect companies to support games indefinitely and do not advocate for that in any way. Additionally, there are already real-world examples of publishers ending support for online-only games in a responsible way
The readers of this thread can pull their own conclusions on your retardation and/or paid shilling.

>>714955181
I am literally just criticizing the movement and cretins like you can't comprehend that without accusing me of LARPing as a game developer. Your movement is shit. End of story.

>>714954271 (OP)
>corpos bringing out their demoralizers, goon squads and lobbyists just to take down a mold brained man who lives of canned beans

>>714955313
Save the critical thinking for a job interview, whenever you get around to one.

>>714955313
>game developer
thats a bit generous Jason.

I'm not really sure why there's so many people against this honestly, it doesn't even make sense from the developer perspective because all they'd have to do is leave it as a multiplayer scaled game and just not lock multiplayer content while playing offline. Not like they need to rebalance the online content, just make the player be able to try it anyway like how Monster Hunter does it.

>>714954271 (OP)
Just make a version that runs offline. It's really just that easy.

>>714954271 (OP)
>numerous articles about how it isn't feasible for companies to keep servers up indefinitely
>absolute colossal retards replying with "I can see both sides" bullshit

I mean we all know people lie, from politicians to corporations, but it's fucking mind blowing how blatant this shit is. Like it's right there in your face. Fuck these companies, this movement needs to happen out of principle.

>>714954610
For the ability to have P2P and LAN connection, dumb nigger.

>>714955412
NOO THEN THEY CAN'T MODERATE THE GAME AND MAKE SURE NO EVIL NAZI CHUDS SAY THE N-WORD

>>714955412
>Restructure the ENTIRE GAME to run offline
Such infeasibility.

>>714954378
malding

>>714954271 (OP)
I would play Nosgoth or Dreadnought on modded private servers.

Literally nobody is wanting to force anyone to do this.

Simply make the server tools publically available when a game is shutdown. That's it. People will create and host their own servers so a game will continue to be playable.

Nowhere ever has anyone suggested companies will be force to host servers forever. Only a braindead midwit would think this.

>>714955412
>denying the corporation its rightful currency just to play a game that you don't own solo like a friendless loser

>>714954610
>about to close game servers down
>patch in an offline version with always online toggled off
>now people can access the game even after end of service
woooow. this is too big of an ask. hashtag stop game dev genocide now.

>>714955451
localhost, you can play rust on a server that is running on the machine you're playing on.
Open a port for your friends to join, a modern rig should be able to handle a handful of players.
It's very simple, easy and cheap.

>>714954271 (OP)
faggot

>>714954271 (OP)
Guys, I don't think OP is looking for real discussion, or even is against SKG. I think... I think he's baiting for (You)s.

>>714955451
Not for games like World of Warcraft I guess, but why wouldn't it work for games such as the crew?

>>714954271 (OP)
>This IS good for the games industry, somehow
who gives a fuck what's good for the games industry? i want what's good for ME. the games industry was better equipped to serve MY needs when it was 1000 times smaller. why the fuck would anybody with an IQ over 100 support interests that are inversely related to their own?

>>714955659
funny that you mention wow. theres plenty of private servers for that.

>>714954271 (OP)
Less crying - more layoffs. Thanks.

>>714955589
So? This board is long past the point of self-moderation, genuine idiots and baiters blend seamlessly. People need to be reminded to use multiple sources and their own head instead of treating what the shitposting board says as gospel, because what's obvious to me or you might not be so obvious to someone else.

>>714955451
>RDO has a mod that lets you run the entire game solo minus the ability to give R* India the much needed shekels required to let the game rot in neglect
If anything the game ran better because you weren't getting constantly crashed out by chinkoids who have free reign on the sessions. But you so much as dupe a chest or two and you will have your money stolen. Fucking pathetic piece of shit company. Full of cock smoking gaylords.

>>714954610
>singleplayer game that requires connecting to a central server for no good reason is killed to incentivise you to buy the new Mega Shit 2K26
That's what it's opposed to.
>but what about the tiny little tacked on multiplayer feature in the singleplayer game?
Remove it, leaving the game still considered playable by any reasonable metric.
It's like if Dark Souls games were killed off to make people move to Elden Ring, and the reasoning was "Well, we can't support the invasions and player messages, and it's an integral unremovable part of the core game experience(tm), so we're pulling the plug on the whole game! Oh, and user-hosted servers are a no-no, because then they'd be plopping down 'try finger but hole' messages everywhere!"
(t. never played a FromSoft game, I don't care for em, but thought it'd be a decent example)

>>714955817
>1278x180
>.png
i don't care about the opinions of normalfags that can't find the jpeg drop down when saving cropped image files.

>>714954271 (OP)
>You WILL run your live service game forever
wrong, this is not required.
If the live-service game is no longer "worth to keep running", you simply give the source code or means to host private servers.
If there are features that would not work due to being offline or private server, then simple leave those features out, the point is to keep the actual story and gameplay intact

>You WILL NOT shut it down no matter how unprofitable it is
Again, nobody is stopping them from shutting servers down
>This IS good for the games industry, somehow
How is it not?
if you can have a legacy preserved, for references, history and entertainment, why would you NOT see this as a good thing?

>>714955727
I don't think you have to even go that far personally. The bare minimum standard should just be being able to boot the game in solo play, I'd say. If a company wants to earn brownie points they can go further than that like making it easier for people set up servers or even just adding a damage buff to solo play so you can do the multiplayer content alone.

>>714955589
>>714955784
>It's like people will use threads like these to discuss video games or something

>>714955884
>saving as a jpeg instead of png
For what purpose?

>>714955884
>text on flat color
>34kB PNG with no JPEG artifacts
>bad
Retard

>>714955884
>saving pngs as jpegs

>>714955902
private server doesnt mean you have to host the game world for other people. you can essily set up your own private server of wow and play it solo.

>>714954271 (OP)
thats not the case though

If you are about to shut down game, you should make it public domain

>>714955589
Thats why I'm here, I love engaging with bait, seeing how far they'll push their story, it's peak entertainment.

Way I see it is there's an easy comparison to make.
Quarries and mines. It's required of quarries and mines that they leave shit back as it was when they started, this is something they factor into their accounts from the start, restoration fees.

Any gamer that pretends it's impossibru to do should have their foreskin removed with pliers and pulling action because they're acting more jewish than the most scheming, hook nosed Gargamel out there.

>>714954271 (OP)
Yes this is revenge for gamergate and a lot of other things so sit down shut up and listen a gamer is speaking.

>>714954271 (OP)
What's the fucking problem with allowing players to run community server like in Source/GoldSrc games? Fucking Day of Defeat, one of the most forgotten GoldSrc games, STILL has players, 22 YEARS AFTER RELEASE!!! And it costs Valve nothing to do this, because the servers are hosted by others, not Valve, PLUS it potentially, even a dead game, brings new sales, so +money. If you shills can't comprehend having community servers in games, then kill yourselves you stupid faggots.
>"b-but muh potential profits!"
Kill yourself.

>>714954271 (OP)
Tell me about Ross!
Why does he wear the mask?!

>>714956179
I know, I'm saying you don't even need to have that level of expectation from the developers or publishers. All the consumer really needs from them is the ability to retain the product in some basic form, there's no expectation that a multiplayer game remains a multiplayer game because that's an impossible ask. Simply letting it run offline is reasonable.

If people want to set up or use private servers on their own, then that's entirely on their heads. The developers can legally and morally wipe their hands clean of the consequences once they've ended service on their end, provided those private servers aren't making money from their IP or whatever at least.