>You WILL run your live service game forever
>You WILL NOT shut it down no matter how unprofitable it is
>This IS good for the games industry, somehow

He won

>>714957480 (OP)
Why are you legitimately listening to anything a guy that looks like Chris Chan says? Where's your survival instinct?

>>714957541
But I'm not listening to Ross.

good thread

Battlefront 2 (original) was kept alive by fans at no cost or risk to the developers.

>>714957480 (OP)
SKG isn't demanding you to run your live service games forever. Just so it is playable after service/support ends.
It is aimed for future games, not enforced retroactively, so the devs can add "End of Life"-plan during the development of future games.

I hope this helps, OP-kun~

>>714957480 (OP)
This shit is so irrelevant. Why would you spend any money on stuff you don't like, it's nuts.

>>714957480 (OP)
Uhhh missed the entire point

>>714958061
This. Retarded consoomers don't understand that you can just NOT BUY the game you DON'T LIKE. It's like not spending money is a foreign concept to them.

>>714958035
Ubisoft already has an End of Life plan in their EULA. When they stop supporting their game, you uninstall and delete it from your system.

realease the server files and this horror can end

>>714957480 (OP)
Yes, if I pay for a video game I indeed expect to own it forever.

>>714958243
>Release TRADEMARKED CODE into the wild
This is why nobody goes to /v/ for business advice.

>>714958309
But you're not buying a video game, you're buying a license to access the servers for the company's software for an indefinite amount of time until they shut it down, dumbass.

>want to create a game
>you're now legally bound to keep it playable until your death

>>714958326
>trademarked code
I need you to google what a trademark is and read what it's for.
After that I will allow you to issue a retraction with no penalties.

>>714958414
You forgot the part where your children inherit the game and must maintain the servers after your death

>>714958414
>he thinks he can stop supporting the game when he dies

I fucking wish it would work like that

Yes, cant do it? Then gtfo of the industry incompetent bums.

>>714957480 (OP)
>>You WILL run your live service game forever
>>You WILL NOT shut it down no matter how unprofitable it is
not what's required.
if you EoL your game, you must release tools to the community so they can keep playing it.
not hard, everyone wins.

>>714957480 (OP)
all they have to do is release the server binary

>>714958758
>>714958776
>Release your intellectual property to the public
>Whether it may or may not compromise the security of your other games or other software is of no concern
Retards.

>>714958326
done all the fucking time & was the historical norm for games with quake & doom

SKG will never succeed because it weakens IP brands.

>>714958803
I work as a back end developer
if releasing your source code compromises security then you should not be allowed to have networking in your game anyway

>>714958758
End of life is just the game is dead, end of story, move on to another game.

>>714958809
Hmm it's almost like those games are old as shit and won't have security-threatening details in them if the code was released you fucking knuckledragger.

>>714958414
>>714958326
>>714958576
>>714958616
>>714958803
>create a game
>add support to prrivate p2p servers players can set up
>you're now good
it's that shrimple. imagine downloading photoshop and then adobe goes bankrupt and photoshop just uninstalls itself from your pc. retard. also no one said anything about releasing your code, if you don't want to let players host their own servers from your game then eat shit and get fucked lol.

>>714958857
End of life is you uninstall the fucking game and move on with your life.

>>714958803
>>Release your intellectual property to the public
You're not releasing the IP into the public domain, you're simply allowing people to play and host servers you no longer care about, for free lol
>Whether it may or may not compromise the security of your other games or other software is of no concern
game servers never do that
>>714958857
if the game is dead, why should the devs still care about it?

This shitty movement is the first domino. Sooner or later customers will demand refunds for functionally online-only games (IE if something like TF2 lost literally all of its playerbase then the game is a walking simulator) because the game will be unplayable as advertised.

>>714958576
I'm not sure if you're retarded or just baiting...
He wants corpos to just let people maintain the game for them after they don't give a shit anymore, instead of just deleting it from everyone's library and call it a day.

Funny how the counter argument has to be some entirely made up fiction about what the guy want, because if you say the truth would outrage even the normiest of normies:

>Corporations just want to steal back the shit you bought on full price so you'll be forced to buy their next product if you want to keep playing

>>714958803
>muh intelectual property
the game clients are also their intelectual property, but we have them on out machines
>muh security
security through obscurity is not security
that's infosec 101

>>714958891
>>714958957
Why the fuck did you two respond to me with reiterating what I said

>>714957480 (OP)
Game journalists are turning this into another Gamergate. Look how they're making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the movement and warning people about Pirate Software's harassment campaign.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
These fuckers are really playing dirty now.

>"OHMYFUCKINGGOD YOU NAZI CHUDS you can't just force us to spend billions on hosting a game for you that we want to shut down!"
>you don't have to, just give us the code so players can host it and keep playing it
>"OYVEY this is anuddah shoah!!! stealing our code! you are literally bankrupting us!!"
>but you want to shut down the game anyway, you aren't even listing it for sale anymore, there is no profitloss
>"AAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEE HELP US @BIDENADMINISTRATION @HILLARY @CIA @MCDONALDS IF WE GIVE YOU THE CODE FOR AN OLD GAME THEN NOBODY WILL BUY OUR REMASTER FOR $99.99 OUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS BEING THREATENED!!!"

>>714957505
He's a pedophile

>>714959019
>no argument
shocking !

>>714959069
trump lost to a guy with dementia lol

>>714959102
so just like every male

>>714959019
Dumbass

this whole thing screams of "I don't know how the world works because I'm 12 but I want to be upset and support a cause online"

>>714959140
say your favorite line
ONE
TERM
PRESIDENT

>>714959163
No, Jason.

>>714957480 (OP)
>With every action theres an equal opposite reaction
Sadly reaction is usually overreaction, game devs will completely back down on games

>>714957480 (OP)
>oy vey this game is unprofitable, we can't keep it up
>oy vey goy we want you to play the new game, we can't just leave the old game up or nobody will play the new one
Pick one and only one, schlomo

>>714959218
trump lost to a literal one term president lmao

>if I make live service games unsustainable, that will be good for the games industry!

>>714959186
There's no reasonable and coherent argument for not being able to release private server tools.
The entire anti-stance hinges on companies not wanting private servers to compete with their future games.

>>714959140
Trump won against a poc woman minority that the industry spent billions propping up.

>>714957480 (OP)
>multiversus dies
>can still play offline
Woah what a concept. Poor wittle developers adding an offline mode with bots is so hard :(

>>714957480 (OP)
How exactly is he, as an American, allowed to start and influence petitions to introduce a new law in Europe, just so that he, the American, may benefit as a result of it if it does get implemented, just because he can't start a petition for a law change like that in his country?

If this was a Russian, they'd immediately just cancel it and start screeching like schizophrenics about the 'communists' attempting to fuck with the EU or whatever. But apparently market and law manipulation is fine as long as it comes from America, another NATO member.

>>714959263
i dont care about women. trump loses to any white man who stands up to him and thats what matters in the world

>>714958863
if they have security threatening details then you fix it because its open source
or just create an open source shared netcode utility similar to companies do rn with linoox and all of web development
even the netcode that runs rollback is open sourced and has been for decades

>>714959186
it's the zoomers that don't know private servers were a thing and can be a thing again

>>714959049
Who gives a fuck about what some irrelevant gaming journalist says?

Ah yes another totally organic anti SKG thread with the same low effort bait as the last one. Masterfully done

>>714959249
Yes.

>>714959296
based

>>714958113
>we're not forcing devs to keep games alive no matter how bad they are... we're just forcing them to keep them alive regardless of how bad they are
>>714958115
Grifters just want to cry and scream, even if they get their precious single player softcore porn game.

>>714959294
he's not formally the petition initiator, he has also lived in Europe for years now, which is why he has people here

>>714959249
This but unironically. It'll never happen, because that would involve this retarded petition actually accomplishing something, but completely obliterating live service trash would be a net positive for both video games and society as a whole.

>>714957480 (OP)
I realize OP is shitposting, but I'm shocked how many haven't even read what's written on SKG site. There are STILL individual """interpreting""" as if everything hasn't been laid down.

>>714957480 (OP)
I am sure SimCity devs are suffering with their always online game.
Oh wait...

>>714958758
>>714958776
So in other words, forcing devs to keep the game alive.

>>714959294
He is an American immigrant to Poland who married a barely functioning autistic Polish woman who refuses to leave her hometown and hang dries all of the laundry inside of their apartment because she doesn't want the smell of her neighbors' barbecuing to seep into the clothes.

GamerGate self sabotaged by allowing right wing grifters to take the lead. Corporations would love the same to happen to SKG.
They push DEI because that way than can defame critique of their business practices as hate speech.

>>714959131
>>714959179
I literally fucking say
>End of life is just the game is dead, end of story, move on to another game.

One of you dipshits said
>End of life is you uninstall the fucking game and move on with your life.

Which is literally what I just fucking said.

One of you said
>if the game is dead, why should the devs still care about it?

Which I already fucking addressed with the game is fucking dead move on with your life.

God damn, retards or bots, call it.

>>714957480 (OP)
Is he video game Jesus?

>>714958853
Sure, buddy. And my uncle works at Nintendo.

>>714959454
Stupid fuck

>>714957480 (OP)
Presented for just how how "impossible" what Scott is asking for truly is.

good morning sars, this is a fine thread

>>714959490
kill yourself, too stupid to fucking breathe

>>714959432
release it on github once, move on.
PLEASE bring a valid argument or stop posting.

>>714958970
Unfortunately consoomers and grifters lack the braincells to care or even understand.

>>714959434
We never saw her full face. She could still be cute. Moldman deserves a good woman for all his effort.
>>714959478
Yes. Ferretfucker is jewdas.

>>714959529
Learn to read you retarded ESL

>>714957480 (OP)
Why couldnt they just outsource the servers

>>714959454
IF THE GAME IS DEAD AND THE DEVS DONT CARE ABOUT IT
THE DEVS SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUE RELEASING TOOLS TO THE PUBLIC AND FUCKING OFF

>>714958978
>>714959005
Hey, retard. It's not as easy. You're basically just demanding devs to maintain a server.

>>714959514
>game I voted with my wallet and was forced to adjust for the market
What does it have to do with Stop Killing Games?

>>714959593
The game is dead and there's no reason to do it, delete it off your machine and move on. Have you ever read any video game EULA before?

Fuck the games industry. Its nothing but trash

>>714959485
the vast majority of software developers in existence work in back end you retarded fuck

>>714957480 (OP)
>we're going to lose six million shekels every day to keep these servers running forever!!!
>okay, so why did you make it mandatory to play on these servers in the first place if it costs that much every day?
>ermmmm, shut up, you racist chud!!!

>>714959589
Once india becomes a superpower, they will. They just haven't already because jeets can't into servers yet.
>>714959649
>EULA
You mean toilet paper.

>>714959595
read little zoomer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_server

>>714959593
>if tolkien died and his descendants don't care enough to sustain or continue his legacy, they should just release his works in the public domain so that everyone could benefit off of it and create their own fanfic about the world and then pass it off as canon to the story