The remake is by all accounts ALRIGHT. But Bloober showed that it didn't understand at all what made Silent Hill 2 stand out. The otherworld was completely fucking retarded. The subtlety and anxiety of the "otherworld" places in the original was very nuanced. It makes no fucking sense why James would be experience Alessa's otherworld. They should have went with the weathered water damaged moldy aesthetic. It was butchered.

Also Silent Hill thread.

>>714959851 (OP)
Yeah, them already using Alessa's burned and rusted over aesthetics is going to hurt the SH1 remake.

>>714959851 (OP)
>The remake is by all accounts ALRIGHT
No, it's not. This sort of zoomer mentality of lowering the standards to accept pure mediocrity as the new golden standard needs to stop.

There's not a single thing in the de-make's game design, pacing, writing nor audio that was not downgraded.

>>714960162
I think it gets a lot of grace because it's the best SH IP since the originals. Not counting PT, but that wasn't really a game.

>>714959851 (OP)
I like both the remake and the original game alike for different reasons, it's interesting how they diverge and I wonder how the movie will handles it
The remake of 1 probably will be good too, and maybe even will learn from the weaker elements of the remake

>>714960349
The movie will be the biggest piece of dog shit the IP has ever produced.

Is her game really that bad? They haven't ported it anywhere yet so I can't play it.

>>714960239
>I think it gets a lot of grace because it's the best SH IP since the originals
You are doing it again, and essentially saying that "well this red tricycle is TOTALLY the next best thing to a classic red Corvette!".

The SH2 demake is nothing more than a SH:Homocoming reskin. And the last GOOD Silent Hill game was the Shattered Memories, which did well simply by NOT trying to be the "next RE4" nor ape SH2.

And I say this as an absolute SH1 fanatic, who loathed the whole idea of the SM, until I played it myself years later.

>>714960349
>The remake of 1 probably will be good too
It will be utter trash.

>>714960391
It has the director of the first movie behind, so I think it might actually be pretty good, I'm not expecting a masterpiece though, but it will at least look really good based on what that guy did 19 years ago

>>714959851 (OP)
who gives a fuck about the remake

>>714959851 (OP)
No remake will ever be better than the original as long as they only remake good games.
If they started remaking bad games like DMC2 then it'd probably end up better by default.

>>714960162
>This sort of zoomer mentality of lowering the standards to accept pure mediocrity as the new golden standard needs to stop.
This is the mentality you need to have to enjoy SH2. It's a survival horror game without horror and piss easy survival

>>714960462
I think there's some elements the remake does better than the original, and some things the original did better than the remake.
So I like both of them

>>714960404
>game

>>714960404
Yes. I am not making this up, this is a real thing that happens: The main character takes a break from running for her life to check on her social media and compare follower counts.
>>714960419
>SH:SM
>Not aping SH2
It's literally SH2 with SH1 character names thrown in there.

>>714960162
James is better. Much, much better

>>714960445

>>714960527
tbf I think this wasn't done in bad faith, the director apparently really wanted to make a game that give hope back to troubled young adults.

>>714959851 (OP)
the saving grace of the remake is that they aren't trying to be a replacement for the original game and actively make a lot of diversions and changes to keep things fresh

>>714960162
It's an ok actiony survival horror game based on SH2, but it's not SH2.

>>714960534
Isn't the mc a late teenager in current-years? It kinda make sense, many people are like this these days. Even adults.

>>714960504
>This is the mentality you need to have to enjoy SH2.
Incorrect.
If you want survival aspects, play on Hard.

SH2 became popular for two main reasons:
1. it was one of the big 3 PS2 flagship titles,
2. it was a massive departure from the splatter + jumpscare horror tropes seen in most other games, and actually tackled some pretty difficult topics.

>>714960558
James, just like every single character in the DEI-make, was completely butchered.
He's outright annoyed little Rambo all the time, completely missing the point of him being an insecure little introvert who has trouble talking to women.

>>714960630
The game is piss easy on hard. The game is not scary. Full stop.

>>714960609
Too bad it's called "Silent Hill 2", and is the only "Silent Hill 2" legally sold on any system, any store front at the moment.

Hell, Jewnami even did the OG dirty by comparing the demake to the HD PORT of SH2 in their official stream.

>>714960560
Meanwhile it also has this though, maybe some of the released shot were just not finished yet
Maria probably will remove the wig at the end to show she is sick like Mary

>>714960574
Honestly I hope they will that way releases a collection of the original games, many Konami game managed to get some so SH shouldn't be impossible

>>714959851 (OP)
The game itself is just fine, but it's not better than the original. The original was like a cult classic art house film or surrealist production like idk Twin Peaks (I'm not well-versed in American television shows)? The remake was a Hollywood blockbuster with the melodrama of any generic horror movie. But the fanbase for it makes me hate the game. I consider this remake supplementary material, it's worth a play but only after you've played the original. It's hard to replace a great game and this game stood no chance.
I mean, I like that it revitalized interest in this series, and it's fun. But at the same time, I hate the discourse surrounding this game. It shouldn't really matter since normies are NPCs and NPCs will always go for what is flashier and newer, but Silent Hill 2 is one of those extremely rare instances where a video game actually became more than just a video game but an actual art piece. It's not cheap thrills and the remake is exactly just cheap thrills.

>>714960630
Oh James talks and sounds retarded. He asks obvious questions, has no inflection, and has only two emotions of 'plank' and 'agitated confusion.' There's never going to be a universe where this is good VA) dialogue
https://youtu.be/6_hX6pTKB3s?si=dXyPmP6Ecmy44o1X

>>714960736
They couldn't just keep the original Pyramid Head design? They had to go back to the retarded WWE wrestler shirtless pointy triangle design of the first movie?

>>714960790
>The original was like a cult classic art house film or surrealist production like idk Twin Peaks (I'm not well-versed in American television shows)?
It's literally ripped off wholesale from a Hollywood movie

>>714960926
Bugmen literally have zero shame and no unique artistic capability

>>714960871
It's not exactly the same design as in the first movie, but it's the same actor
because that's the reason of the helmet being a bit different too : it's not CGI, it's an actor, so he has to be able to see what the hell he is doing.
Most of the monsters in the first movie, and probably also in this one, were using practical effects with real people in costumes.

>>714960926
Well it's Lynch, and calling Lynch films just any old Hollywood movie is slightly disingenuous. Everyone knows that SH2 is Lynchian and Lynch directed Twin Peaks which is why I used it as an example there.
Either way inspiration =/= ripoff, unless we're going to sit here and pretend Lynch didn't "ripoff" earlier noir and psychological thriller movies like Vertigo. His movies are always littered with references to them.

>>714960679
>the game is not scary
SH2 is way more scary than the tedious and predictable Dark Souls -lite that was the 2024 demake.
Still the least spooky of the original TS games.

>>714961083
Name one western game from the last 10-20 years that isn't complete dogshit or a ripoff of Japanese games.
The fact you people worship The Last of Us (an RE4 clone) or Expedition 33 (a Persona clone), tells me all I need to know about the state of western (jewish) media.

>>714960926
>literally ripped off wholesale
wholesale is a big exaggeration, if you really think sh2 is lost highway 1:1 you haven't seen either
not to mention a lot of those story beats can be drawn back to twin peaks because twin peaks' ideas were recycled in to lynch's later films when the 3 twin peaks film deal fell apart
like, maria/mary laura/maddy, personality-wise, are identical and that's twin peaks
the actual atmosphere/aesthetic of sh2 is much closer to twin peaks, lost highway is nothing like it, etc. etc.

>>714960162
Why are "old good new bad" cultists always so disingenuous? You can acknowledge the original was more creative for its time and has certain artistic elements that are superior to the remake, but must also acknowledge the massive improvements in gameplay, storytelling, UI/UX, and overall game experience that the remake succeeded over the original in every aspect. You can always prefer one over the other, but to be so completely dishonest about it is just blind ignorance, not a genuine opinion.

I thought it was alright. the original had so many factors that led to it being as good as it was that it is practically impossible to ""remake"" that success. like for example the voice acting in the remake is mostly good (i like james VA a lot), but there are some moments like when mary is reading the letter in the ending, or the jail scene, where its obvious that no matter what they did, they would never be able to replicate the performance marys VA put it. it also very much feels like a western made game where they remove a lot of the subtlety the original had. the original japanese devs for example simply hinted at the fact that the game could be a loop of james constantly reliving the same thing over and over until he learns to move on, while the new game practically bashes you over the head with this almost being presented as a complete fact.
i still appreciate it for somewhat reviving the franchise and now we are no longer tied it to western devs trying to make SH games with Silent Hill F so theres finally at least some hope for future SH games.

>>714961937
>moving slower in bigger maps and having forced ui in a game that didn't have ui previously is actually good
>rhythm game combat where positioning is entirely irrelevant because it's just a cutscene pretending to be gameplay is good

>>714962231
>Implying SH2 original doesn't have the absolute most dogshit combat of ANY of the mainline Silent Hill games with some of the most ineffectual enemies you can easily stunlock and beat to death with any weapon
>Calling SH2 "rhythm game combat where positioning is irrelevant" where you literally get punished for dodging too much and have to actually time when to dodge enemies as opposed to the original where they can't hit you if walk past them at a leisurely pace
>Remake "pretends gameplay is good" when it actually has gameplay and resources are very scarce and you might actually run out as opposed to the original which has...???
You didn't play the original game or the remake. Why are you posting here.

>>714961251
Lynch lived in Hollywood and worked with Delaurentius.

>>714961448
It's not at all scary. A cherrypicked shot of a set of stairs isn't changing anyone's opinions.

I really like the remake. I was worried they wouldn't get the atmosphere right but they did well. Hate me all you like.

>>714961937
Why are you being so toxic, insincere and fallacy-bombing exactly?

>acknowledge the massive improvements in gameplay, storytelling, UI/UX, and overall game experience
I will never acknowledge ANY of that shit you just posted, because that would make me a gaslighted moron, spreading a lie.

The DEmake 2024 represents everything I and millions of other survival horror fans HATED already 15+ years ago. It is a pile of all the worst modern AAA tropes thrown into a single game, with the modern UE5 jank AND Americunt woke-shit as the cream on the top.

The gameplay is inferior: too much combat, way too linear and cramped map designs that diminish the exploration and problem solving aspects into the nowadays typical "the solution / key is in the very same room!" meme, AND the braindead over-shoulder view killing the cinematography and guidance, replacing the subtle and artistic highlighting of crucial things (and hiding some on purpose) with button prompts + yellow paint meme.

Pacing fell into the river with the constant padding. Most of it boiling down to Doom 2016-tier "combat room" wank festing, where you run around kiting enemies and then pummel them to death. What used to be a 6-8 hour compact experience is now a 16-20 hour slogfest, that nobody wants to replay.

UIX is literally the same "white plain text on black background" we've had to suffer the past decade already. The forced HUD elements and nearly completely killed inventory again demonstrate that Blooper has no idea what they're doing, and are just parroting post-RE7 style crap.

Storytelling and acting are mayhaps two of THE worst raped aspects of the de-make. All the characters look and act way off, completely nuking the impact and emotion of majority of the important scenes.
The Mary / Maria thing at the cell, the Angela's fire staircase, hell even James watching his VHS tape... prime example of soulless, flat delivery, with all forms of interactivity and symbolism removed and ruined.

>>714959851 (OP)
The hospital was particularly bad for this, it borderline felt like i was playing Homecoming at times
I think they did a good job with the abyss at least

>>714962482
you're a fucking retard if you actually didn't realize how sh2r's combat works, eat breakfast

>>714961748
The entirety of SH2 is ripped off from Lynch, but as usual the bugs couldn't figure out what makes it work resulting in some dogshit writing

They already made a great Silent Hill movie; it's called Jacob's Ladder. Also Lost Highway.

You know, it's interesting how normalfags will start to pretend Stray Souls is a good game if you reskin it as "Silent Hill".
>>714962482
>starts by complaining about silent hill combat, then prefers the trash demake combat
Sigh.

>>714962639
>It's not at all scary
Me and thousands of other people disagree with you.

>cherrypicked shot of set of stairs...
so you don't even know what you're looking at. Got it.

Got around to playing the remake last week. It was fucking great. Demake boomers were full of shit once again.

>>714962645
>I was worried they wouldn't get the atmosphere right
And they didn't. They just literally copy-pasted The Movie's shit. Again.
And just like Homecoming before it, they made dodge-heavy attack combo fighting the centerpiece. Again.

>>714962982
What did you like about it?
Did you ever play the original?

>>714962645
Let me guess, never played the original?

>>714962982
You know, there is a place on the internet for normalfags with shit taste. You don't need to post here.

>>714963016
>And they didn't.
Agree to disagree.

>>714963171
Have. Granted it was about 20 years ago.

>>714960926
SH2 remake confirmed this even further when because they specifically leaned into the theory that the James is stuck in a time loop

>>714963446
>it was about 20 years ago.
in short, you have no recollection whatsoever, and made some superficial comparisons, ignorant of all the glaring issues and cuts the demake did.

>>714960560
is that that one youtubing jewish tranny that runs for capcom games? that jewish tranny that blew kenny omega?

>>714960162
Get with the times, Granpa!

>>714963632
no u

>>714962657
Oh, that image is brutal.

>>714964837
it gets worse.

>>714960574
>is that they aren't trying to be a replacement for the original game
This sentiment is always a cope posted by retards.
The remake is implicitly doing that because you can't actually play the original anymore without piracy or dropping over $300 on getting it. Same shit with the RE remakes.

>>714960679
>The game is piss easy on hard.
You never played it.

>>714965091
I still own the disc lol

>>714965183
Means nothing since you clearly never played SH2 on hard.

>>714959851 (OP)
Are there some silly mods for SH2 remake or SH2 original? Like a kart racing mod, or skating or a beat em up mod? pls answer mister

>>714959851 (OP)
>The remake is by all accounts ALRIGHT
No, it's slop. Leave, tourist.

>>714965252
https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/98
https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/131
https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/214

must-haves

>>714959851 (OP)
Lack of Hyper Spray and Dog Ending not having the classic credits montage is into the trash tier though

>>714966042
don't forget lack of great knife too

>>714959851 (OP)
>The remake
oh yeah, this thing was released already

>>714963060
I played og 1-2 years after release on PS2
I liked the remake being much longer with bigger and more expanded areas
I didn't enjoy the complete lack of unlockables however, to the point it doesn't have the Hyper Spray and Great Knife which is complete nonsense, if anything I was expecting it to be at least on the levels of Origins or SH3 for unlockables, why the fuck would they suck the entire fun out of replays, playing the whole game again for just a 5m different ending is not as fun
Felt like it was SH4 tier trash replay value
The lack of costumes for James and Maria was also loathsome

anyone praising the fake combat in this game should be executed. total zoomer death

SH will be dead again, soon

>Hinako, why aren't you playing with your friends?
>They won't let me play house with them, because I hang out with boys

it's gonna be about lolicon stuff, isn't it? I fucking knew the second I heard about that ryukishi guy... it's so fucking over

>80 euros for a AA game from a hong kong studio (their first game btw)
>soulslike combat
>action focused
>no guns, only melee weapons
>weapon durability
>japanese setting
>every enemy will be doll-like
>female schoolgirl protag
>schoolgirl drama themes (mobbing)
>child abuse
>unwanted pregnancies (maybe even pro-abortion, as ryukishi is a leftoid degenerate)

>>714967178
>no guns, only melee weapons
kino
Too bad the monster designs look like random trash than SH enemies

>>714967178
>>female schoolgirl protag
>>schoolgirl drama themes (mobbing)
>>child abuse
>>unwanted pregnancies (maybe even pro-abortion, as ryukishi is a leftoid degenerate)
You just described Silent Hill 3, congratulations.

>>714967707
that was shit, too. so it's not an own

>>714960926
>>714961083
Samefag.

>>714962482
>where you literally get punished for dodging too much
So much punishment!!!

>>714962482
>>714968747
The difficulty of this game is grueling!

>>714968861
>>714968747
>zoomers praising this

>>714967178
>lolicon stuff
based
filter the virtue signaling groomers and woke retards

>>714968747
>>714968861
holy shit

>>714969687
total pedo death

>>714968747
>>714968861
bloober demakefags think this is punishing lmao

>>714968861
youre supposed to run the other way. I could make a retarded webm from the original by running towards PH on easy during the hospital chase

>>714969783
Don't you have some real kids to groom on your discord server? Don't busy yourself with fictional kids.

>>714970067
holy projection, I'm not the one jacking it to kid's body proportions. you will burn in hell

>>714960419
>Shattered Memories
>nor ape SH2
Enigmatic sexed up wife doppelganger who acts as a temptress, trying to lead you astray from finding the repressed truth. She dies and inexplicably comes back with no memory of what previously transpired.
Am I talking about Maria or Dahlia?

>>714960162
hi

>>714970141
With your pedo god who raped Mary?

christ is king

>>714961448
>predictable Dark Souls
Why do you people keep calling it such?
It's literally RE, shoot the stanky leg, and go for the melee. Any situation where you are autistically dodging more than one guy is a situation you shouldn't be in. Most attacks are snapping to James even if you run around the model.

>>714968747
Oh god, I totally forgot that stupid fucking gauntlet even happened.

>>714960574
also i think it was hinted it was another loop

>>714971091
>It's literally RE
kys

>>714972141
>it's literally fromslop because it has dodge button
don't breed

>>714972293
we all know you are full of shit, tranny

>>714963979
>see beautiful woman
>thinks about trans women instead
>throws in Jews for good measure
Doubly brainrotted

>>714969906
>youre supposed to run the other way
Moving the goalposts. The OG doesn't have a dodge it has a blocking mechanic something that the remake would've been 10 times better for including. Your claim that the remake punishes you for dodging too much is demonstrably false. Cherrypicking the hallway chase because you have no answer for the other webm isn't going to change the facts.

>>714970432
>pedo tranny resorts to offending religion not knowing a single thing about it
>only gets horny around child body types and projects that onto other people
every single time, do everyone a favor and save the world from your shitty gene pool, oh wait you already do that by never having sex with actual women
>>714970714
based

I'm just gonna say it:
My main problem with SH2R is the fact that aesthetically it looked like the Silent Hill movie and not Silent Hill 2.
And they butchered a bunch of the scenes because they think that zooming on the face to show the mocap = good.

>>714972141
It is LOL.

>>714959851 (OP)
Woke DEImake dogshit

>>714969906
In the OG, on harder difficulties, you kind of have to run towards him a couple of times to stun him with a hale of bullets. Otherwise he kills Maria before the elevator scene.

>>714959851 (OP)
cocky James broke out of silent hill by mere force of man, only to end up here. What a life

Remake is good.
/v/ is full of contratrian zoomers pretending to have played the originals.

>>714959851 (OP)
>But Bloober showed that it didn't understand at all what made Silent Hill 2 stand out

Oh boy, here we go. "They added *actual* gameplay, and removed the horrible jank!! They missed the point1!"

>>714972917
Kind of? On hard it is literally impossible to just run from beginning to end without engaging with PH at least twice both because of Maria's AI but also because PH straight up teleports behind Maria after you reach certain points in the hallway. It is recommended to have at least 20 handgun bullets and fire an entire clip into him twice to slow him down enough but 30 is recommended.

The remake is terrible - they completely destroyed the atmosphere of silent hill. I mean look at this shit - the iconic fog is basically non-existant.

>>714974040
There is a small section in the hallway where you can shoot him through the grating without running towards him, if you want to get pedantic about it.

>>714974983
I'm aware but you still have to get up in his face the first time no matter what.